![]() | July 17th, 2003![]() | ![]() |
Onizuka says, 'how come we can't change our afk messages without clearing our buffer anymore? did this just get forgotten about like when change came in or is there a reason for it?'
Kaige says, 'afk set should take care of that'
Onizuka says, 'cool'
Chocorua says, 'afk set works i use it alla time'
Autohunt Advantage with Broadband?
Sardonyx says, 'just a suggestion really'
Sardonyx says, 'I've noticed with the advent of things like broadband peoples connections are getting better and better, my own included'
Sardonyx says, 'just thought maybe we should put a very small lag on hunt, to slow down autohunt a bit'
Sardonyx says, 'I autohunted Nikita from tara to india'
Kae rather likes that idea.
Sardonyx says, 'the farthest she ever got away was easily seen'
Sardonyx says, 'seems kinda....mean'
Sardonyx says, 'it hurts as much as it helps me...depends on which side I'm on I guess'
Sardonyx says, 'just an idea :)'
Sardonyx says, 'no I won't idea it, but someone else can!'
Spanish-Flea says, 'isnt that her own doing? the slowness?'
Sardonyx says, 'no'
Sardonyx says, 'you couldn't outrun my autohunt'
Sardonyx says, 'its physically impossible'
Chocorua says, 'i'd be behind that idea actually'
Onizuka says, 'really'
Sardonyx says, 'you can try if you like'
Spanish-Flea says, 'you're 40 perc I can easily outrun your autohunt'
Sandra nods her agreement with Chocorua.
Kae says, 'I think it's safe to say Nikita can run pretty fast'
Sardonyx says, 'I'll bet you money'
Onizuka says, 'how much money?'
Sardonyx says, 'mmm...25k?'
Chocorua says, 'pretyped movement will outdo autohunt ....'
Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with Chocorua.
Sardonyx says, 'no it won't'
Sardonyx says, 'I may not gain on you'
Cote shakes his head in disagreement with Chocorua.
Sardonyx says, 'but I won't lose on you either'
Kae says to Chocorua, 'I like the idea of adding 1 pulse lag to autohunt or something, teach people to learn the way themselves for speed'
Sardonyx says, 'it'll stay consistent until you stop'
Chocorua says to Sardonyx, 'since my client runs on the mud achine .. heh'
Sardonyx rolls his eyes, exasperated with Chocorua.
Spanish-Flea says, 'actually if its pretyped you'll probably lose it with 40 perc'
Cote nods his agreement with Onizuka.
Sardonyx says, 'if you say so :)'
Sardonyx says, 'I've yet to EVER see ANYONE outrun my autohunt when I'm at work'
Sardonyx says, 'they can outrun my 56k'
Sardonyx says, 'not work'
Chocorua says, 'either way i say its a good idea we should look at it'
Chocorua says, 'maybe make it a random thing'
Onizuka says, 'could just trans or fade...but that doesnt really prove you wrong I guess, just proves me a cheater'
Onizuka snickers softly.
Chocorua says, 'to simulate looking around'
Kae nods her agreement with Chocorua.
Sardonyx laughs at Onizuka.
Kaige still wants the new and improved hunt that actually tracks who's passed through a room.
An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.
Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.
LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.
Spanish-Flea says, 'or maybe lose it over water'
Sardonyx says, 'so code it!'
Chocorua says to Kaige, 'we have enough lag'
Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.
LadyAce says, 'Need new processor :)'
Spanish-Flea says, 'if I'm crossing the atlantic there's no way I'm gonna be able to find the trail of someone'
Sandra says, 'need more speed first!'
Sardonyx says, 'hehe, well, you have to keep in mind balance vs. realisim'
Kaige doesn't have time to think atm... coding is out for now.
Sardonyx says, 'if you can't hunt over water, druids are doom :)'
Onizuka says, 'I just wanna say about sardys idea, that enough of the things on this place are already revolving around 5 minutes of action then 6 years of waiting...'
Kaige says, 'only druid's who don't learn their own way'
Sardonyx says, 'no'
Chocorua says, 'i wouldn't make it that much of a wait'
Sardonyx says, 'as a druid if you couldn't hunt me on water, you would never find me'
Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with Sardonyx.
Kae says, 'I was going to ask, why druids in particular?'
Chocorua says, 'just a random 3-5 extra pulses'
Sardonyx says, 'and I'd heal too full'
Sardonyx says, 'and you'd die :)'
Spanish-Flea says, 'actually that just adds a bonus to 3c mages'
Spanish-Flea says, 'locate person'
Sardonyx says, 'not really practical'
Sardonyx says, 'if you locate more then once a fight, you've already wasted too much mana'
An aura of heavenly light appears above Sardonyx's head.
Onizuka nods his agreement with Sardonyx.
Sardonyx says, 'I MIGHT pk a little too much to know these things...'
Sardonyx grumbles under his breath.
Sandra says, 'I never use locate in pk'
Cote says, 'and you have the lag from locate, and if you are fighting anyone who has any experience, by the time you actually get there the person will already be gone'
Sardonyx says, 'I use locate to find them to begin with'
Sardonyx says, 'very very very rarely IN pk'
Cote nods his agreement with Sardonyx.
Cote says to Sardonyx, 'too much of a waste'
Onizuka says, 'well jeeze sandra I guess not, since you can just goto'
Onizuka ducks to the ground.
Sandra giggles.
Cote pats Onizuka on the head.
Sardonyx says, 'or use the at command and headbutt from 8 miles away'
Backstab with Non-Fencing Weapons?
Myrella says, 'I think I know this answer but I thought I'd ask, is there any non-fencing waepons you can backstab with?'
Sandra shakes her head.
Chocorua says, 'pierce=fencing=backstab'
Chocorua says, 'i think'
Kae says, 'pierce and stab'
Myrella says, 'dumb dumb, it forces anyone with perc to use dex'
Sardonyx says, 'yup'
Sardonyx says, 'but perc isn't really a stat :)'
Sardonyx says, 'shhhh'
Myrella says, 'if the sword is small/light enough you should be able to'
Spanish-Flea says, 'why not other weapons?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'it's a disadvantage to not use dex with perc'
Onizuka says, 'you wouldnt wanna get backstabed with a sword'
Spanish-Flea says, 'you know how often youd HIT a backstab with a sword?'
Sardonyx says, 'depends'
Myrella says, 'if the sword was small, lots'
Spanish-Flea says, 'exactly'
Sardonyx says, 'since you'd think HITTING a bs would be based on PERCEPTION...'
Sandra has created a claymore!
Onizuka nods his agreement with Sardonyx.
Sardonyx says, 'but who knows :)'
Spanish-Flea says, 'but it isnt'
Onizuka says, 'oh god'
Sandra says, 'I'll backstab you!'
Onizuka says, 'dont test on me sandra im young and vulnerable :p'
Sandra giggles.
Spanish-Flea says, 'hence why nobody would ever want to use a non-dex bs weapon, it just makes no sense'
Myrella winks suggestively at Sandra.
Chocorua says, 'depends on your idea of what a backstab is .. heh'
Onizuka says, 'plus I sacrifice small children at your altar constantly'
Sandra says, 'ooh'
Kae peers around intently.
Kae says, 'where's my kids?'
Sardonyx says, 'my idea of a backstab is sneaking up on someone and placing a weapon in their spine'
Sardonyx says, 'dex could help you sneak perhaps'
Sardonyx says, 'but not actually hit the bs'
Sandra says to Kae, 'you aren't evil enough yet'
Kae sniffs sadly.
Cote says, 'is there anything that is planned to help get creates back into pk, or are they just doomed'
Myrella says, 'not untill teh give em a real heal spell'
Myrella smirks.
Cote says, 'i dont even have a create, so not like it matters to me, just wondering'
Chocorua says, 'i think that the creates out there need to try some new strategies'
Sandra nods her agreement with Chocorua.
Cote says, 'between all the gimps on them, anything they had going for them in PK was effectively stripped from the 3c's'
Sardonyx nods his agreement with Myrella.
Sardonyx says, 'without healing, a mage can't really compete'
Sardonyx says, 'they just get hit too hard'
Chocorua says, 'the obvious advantages maybe'
Myrella says, 'well fixing walls would be a start too'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I'm still amazed they just disappeared after losing incite'
Sardonyx says, 'and walling innocents in with 17 charmies isn't really much fun'
Kae's is still there.
Kae nods to herself.
Sandra says, 'isn't fun, but it's effective'
Spanish-Flea says, 'there are still tons of create pk strats that are damn near unstoppable'
Sardonyx says, 'sure its effective'
Onizuka says, 'whats the deal with the summoning lag on greaters?'
Sardonyx says, 'but why pk if its boring?'
Cote says to Spanish-Flea, 'like what? walling and what else?'
Onizuka says, 'they cost so much you could only do like 2 or 3 anyways...'
Onizuka sniffles quietly.
Sandra says, 'it was boring when they inspired and let the charmies have at too. Doesn't make much difference'
Sardonyx says, 'exactly'
Spanish-Flea says, 'dont go con for one'
Sandra says, 'but for those that say they are bad for pk, they aren't'
Sardonyx says, 'I suggested to Huginn that instead of millions of charmies, you gave creates a "champion" of sorts and made them a bit stronger, and made their one "champion" stronger as well'
Kae says, 'hey, my 3c create is con and he rocks :p'
Myrella says, 'creates can win just dont expect to often'
Cote says, 'i used to have a 3c str, but he just go destroyed if he actually got hit'
Sardonyx says, 'but that didn't pan out, couldn't figure out all the details'
Sardonyx says, 'sure he does Kae :)'
Sardonyx winks suggestively at Kae.
Sardonyx says, 'go aa with him'
Sardonyx says, 'I'll jump him tomorrow'
Sardonyx throws his head back and cackles gleefully!
Kae says, 'never, but that's not because of his stats, that's because I hate aa and pke personally'
Sardonyx says, 'creates are such pansies if they can't wall you in'
Sandra says, 'I was con/create when con/create wasn't cool! But I'll admit that she still sucks, mostly coz she can't move anymore;)'
Sardonyx says, 'the problem with creates is there are no close fights'
Sardonyx says, 'and close fights are what make pk :)'
Sardonyx says, 'either you completely blow them out'
LadyAce says, 'well, I think what this comes down to is: we have some ideas and thoughts, and we definitely care about balance, but it's a work in progress.'
Sardonyx says, 'or they completely blow you out'
LadyAce says, 'no immediate code-in-progress at this minute.'
Cote nods his agreement with Sardonyx.
Sardonyx says, 'if the outcome is never in question, its not all that exciting'
Spanish-Flea says, 'just nerf causes some more, completely kill the mage class'
Onizuka says, 'yanking bows and inspire was enough to stop creates rampages I think, summoning lag was just mean'
Cote says, 'it isnt that causes are overpowering, it is that creates are underpowered'
Sandra laughs.
Cote says, 'why just keep going through all the classes killing each one'
Sandra says, 'not by a longshot'
Sardonyx says, 'creates are underpowered if you don't want to walk about with 5 charmies at all times ready to wall people in'
Sardonyx says, 'if you're willing to do that, then you're fine'
Chocorua is completely boggled.
Kae nods solemnly.
Sardonyx says, 'creates aren't very...flexible'
Sardonyx says, 'which also isn't much fun'
Onizuka says, 'my create still wins, just not against a cause mage, unless im extremely prepared and lucky :p'
Kae says, 'yes, that's the problem I seem to encounter with my 3c create too, if I'm doing something where I'm NOT 100% prepared to be jumped I'm in for trouble a lot'
Sandra says, 'I think that's the problem for most char types though'
Myrella says, 'not really'
Cote says, 'that is the problem, creates are so predictable, there is no skill involved'
Kae says, 'almost anyone but fighters, I guess'
Cote says, 'you are either prepared or not'
Sardonyx says, 'true'
Sardonyx says, 'creates don't have many options'
Sardonyx says, 'cause has some'
Cote says, 'the only person i have seen overcome that is krynn who flees out and has a full army in 30 seconds and walls already set up'
Onizuka says, 'well you could also try neat new stat combinations instead of the same boring old crap'
Sardonyx says, 'for example with Sammael I can bash your face off, and use all my mana to heal'
Sardonyx says, 'or I can gust your face off instead'
Sardonyx says, 'or I can blind you, weaken you, firestorm you, clumsy you, bind you, etc.'
Cote says, 'or try to lure people on water, etc'
Spanish-Flea says, 'bashing works well, there are no strength creates'
Spanish-Flea says, 'water is my best friend'
Cote says, 'cause is a lot more strategy, create is trap and order all'
Sardonyx says, 'creates can...order all kill'
Chocorua says, 'there are other strategies than just going at each other till someoone dies'
Sardonyx says, 'enlighten us choc'
Chocorua says, 'use walls creatively'
Sardonyx says, 'what would YOU do as a create in pk?'
Sardonyx says, 'which is exactly what he just said'
Myrella says, 'hard to use walls against another mage'
Chocorua says, 'don't think of them as only to keep people in'
Sardonyx says, 'creates is trap and order all'
Spanish-Flea says, 'walls are like the 2nd most costly btach of create spells after summons?'
Cote says, 'like what, they have no attack spells, no healing spells, the only other strat that i can see is being a half-rate hitter and walling people in'
Sardonyx says, 'flaming walls cost 75 mana and do like 20 damage'
Sandra says, 'creates have a few attack spells'
Sardonyx says, 'lightning is alright'
Cote says, 'but they are all restrictive or fairly low damage'
Sardonyx says, 'well'
Sardonyx says, 'admittedly, any good damage spell is restrictive'
Onizuka says, 'are walls of fire still illusions? I remember conspiracy had a good idea about making the different walls get over come by different skills and spells instead of all of them being illusions...was that ever considered?'
Sardonyx says, 'firestorm, watery death, lightning'
Sandra nods her agreement with Sardonyx.
Cote says, 'immolate'
Sandra says, 'frost bolt hurts a bit'
Cote says, 'high mana is only downfall'
Sardonyx says, 'immolate isn't that great'
Sandra knows, she coded it.
Kae's rather partial towards frost bolt.
Spanish-Flea says, 'yeah, but then again I dont care about balancing creates I had a tough enough time when they ruled and people just used to throw their weight around knowing they were an incite away from victory in any pk fight'
Sardonyx says, 'frost bolt...'
Sardonyx says, 'I don't even consider that a spell :P'
Spanish-Flea says, 'let them have a little longer to feel like every other class in the game'
Sandra comforts Sardonyx.
Sardonyx says, 'I refuse to get 50 god damn books to lower its cast level'
Sardonyx says, 'easier to just perma :P'
Chocorua says, 'knwo the areas you are in and drag people ot places you CAN win ... or try using some of the other spells noone does ...'
Sandra giggles.
Sardonyx says, 'fine choc'
Spanish-Flea says, 'nobody falls for that anymore'
Sardonyx says, 'instead of talking cryptically'
Sandra says, 'it's a nice spell when you have the cast level'
Sardonyx says, 'give us EXAMPLES'
Chocorua says, 'classes always become overpowered when someone takes the time to develop a strategy that works'
Sardonyx says, 'I want to know of a spell that is USEFUL that noone uses'
Spanish-Flea says, 'dum de dum I'm just gonna hunt you into a no flee room I was born yesterday!'
Sardonyx snickers softly.
Sandra says, 'charm person!'
Onizuka says to Sardonyx, 'its all about the rainbow bridge man'
Sardonyx says, 'I just don't think you have a real concept on pk Choc, but I could be wrong'
Sandra says, 'but just because you don't have it'
Sardonyx says, 'its not so simple as, "try something new"'
Chocorua says, 'no it isn't'
Chocorua says, 'and as someone who is always whining about how boring it is here i expect you to go figure it out'
Sardonyx laughs.
Sardonyx says, 'you don't think I've figured pk out?'
Sardonyx shrugs helplessly.
Sardonyx says, 'entitled to your opinion I suppose'
LadyAce says, 'Let's go ahead and go on to the next question :)'
Spanish-Flea says, 'yes, sardonyx is still pk noob numero uno'
Spanish-Flea ducks to the ground.
Kaige says to Sardonyx, 'you're awesome, how could we think otherwise?'
Sandra giggles at Kaige.
Sardonyx nods his agreement with Cote.
Sardonyx says, 'awesome? no'
Sardonyx says, 'knowledgeable? yes'
Huginn says, 'no I think it must be awesome'
Sardonyx says, 'I guarentee I've had 100X the pk fights or more choc has had'
Huginn says to Sardonyx, 'haven't you been on a killing spree recently?'
Sardonyx says, 'its annoying to be told, "try new things" and that when we say something is screwed up we're told we aren't "trying new things"'
Sardonyx says, 'name any of my pkillers'
Spanish-Flea says, 'the best line is 'experiment''
Sardonyx says, 'chances are they were "different"'
Sardonyx says, 'I don't make cookie cutters'
Chocorua says to Sardonyx, 'why do you always yank out yer penis to start measuring, i don't really have the energy to go through this again tonight'
Cote snickers softly.
Sardonyx says, 'it has nothing to do with penis Choc'
Sardonyx sighs loudly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'heh, man that heckling must have gotten to him'
LadyAce says, 'So....do other folks have questions? Comments? Queries? Complaints? :)'
Sardonyx says, 'someday you'll get it'
Spanish-Flea says, 'sandra's less evil than kae'
Sardonyx says, 'just because I'm a mort, doesn't mean I don't know anything'
Sardonyx says, 'when I say something in pk sucks, you should at least give me the light of day instead of assuming with your limited experience you know best, just because you are an immortal'
Sardonyx says, 'if I say something in rp sucks, beat me in the face'
Myrella says, 'I found the answer to something I asked last week the charmies/group xp thing'
Sandra says, 'oh cool'
Myrella says, 'if the charmy or the summoer get the kill the charmies are included in the split if they dont and somebody else does the charmies are counted when the xp is split'
Myrella says, 'err the charmies arent counted'
Sandra nods her agreement with Myrella.
Myrella says, 'is it supposed to be that way?'
Sandra has no idea.
Myrella says, 'it seems odd'
Kae says, 'ah, so that's why certain people rescue their doppels out...'
Chocorua says, 'i'd say thast not right'
Kae always wondered.
Sandra nods her agreement with Kae.
Sandra says, 'definately something for us to look into'
Myrella says, 'not that I mind since the group I'm usually in I dont have teh charmies and usually get the kill so the split is good'
LadyAce nods her agreement with Sandra.
Myrella chuckles politely.
Sandra giggles.
LadyAce says, 'report it on bug for us so you get the creds?'
Myrella nods her agreement with LadyAce.
Onizuka says, 'just curious what kind of pk event is supposed to be on sunday, and if there is a time or a vague time its supposed to happen at?'
LadyAce says, 'the time is what it says, 5pm. I'll pick a theme for it but I haven't had 2 minutes to think about it I'm afraid :('
Sardonyx says, 'I hope its another tourney to make up for the last 4 years of none :P'
Onizuka says, 'oh it did list a time'
Sandra says, 'has it been that long?'
LadyAce says, 'there's been a tourney every month for the last 6 :P and like 4 per year since then'
Onizuka peers at himself myopically.
Sardonyx says, 'Isn't Barabas still the heavyweight champion?'
Sandra says, 'yea'
Sardonyx laughs.
Sandra says, 'wasn't 4 years ago tho was it?'
Sardonyx says, 'that explains enough :)'
Sardonyx says, 'at LEAST 3'
Sandra thought it was like 2
Sardonyx shakes his head.
LadyAce says, 'well, the officially ones, Sandra does, so ...'
Sardonyx says, 'Aginor fought him in the finals, didn't he?'
LadyAce says, 'tourneys in general tho, we've had lots!'
Sandra says, 'no that was the one before'
Sardonyx says, 'hmmm'
Spanish-Flea says to Sandra, 'you're so evil, start another pk tourney, and then bring your mort alt so I can kick its ass '
Sardonyx says, 'maybe'
Sandra says, 'heh if I run a tourney I surely don't have time to be in it'
Spanish-Flea says to Sandra, 'excuses excuses'
Sandra says, 'and you couldn't kick my ass with help ;)'
Sardonyx says, 'I'd run tourneys but I don't gots da power'
Sardonyx says, 'I could!'
Sardonyx says, 'as long as you don't choke'
Sandra snickers at Sardonyx nastily.
Onizuka says, 'how about a theme for sundays, everyone beat on sardonyx?'
Sardonyx says, 'bring it'
Spanish-Flea says, 'nah too easy'
Sardonyx says, 'I'm going to get my own pk section in the LT this week as it is :P'
Sandra says, 'with school, I don't have the tiime to run my usual ones. Wish I did though, they're spammily fun'
Onizuka says, 'and umm whoever gets the killing blow is permad then remorted with plus 1 max hp or something'
Sardonyx says, 'there were 17 pke deaths, 16 of which involved sardyonx...'
Myrella says, 'the theme should be 3rd circle creates only :P so they can all suck together :P'
Onizuka says, 'sheesh'
Onizuka says, 'how many losses?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'nah I fought at least twice'
Sardonyx says, 'woo hoo!'
Sardonyx says, 'but are you pke?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'did I say this character?'
Spanish-Flea bonks Sardonyx on the head!
Sardonyx says, 'no, but a lot of weirdo pkok people fight'
Sardonyx says, 'those don't count'
Onizuka sulks in the corner.
Sardonyx says, 'I'm aa and pke, come get me!'
Spanish-Flea says, 'hmm'
LadyAce points at Spanish-Flea.
Spanish-Flea says, 'I've actually gotta complain about the new immortal mobs in klein'
Spanish-Flea says, 'specifically where they attack me and I cant hit back'
Sardonyx says, 'there are immortal mobs in klien?'
Sardonyx rolls around on the ground with laughter.
Sandra says, 'they aren't new'
Sandra pats Spanish-Flea on the head.
Spanish-Flea says, 'first time I've ever seen them :P'
Sardonyx says, 'must be the flames'
Sandra says, 'noob'
Sardonyx says, 'barabas liked to hide in there, they aren't new :)'
Sandra says, 'they've been in roughly since klein went in'
Sandra giggles.
Spanish-Flea says, 'bah I've never ever seen them :P'
Sandra nods her agreement with Sardonyx.
Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.
Spanish-Flea says, 'well never attack'
Spanish-Flea says, 'it hurt'
Sandra giggles.
Sardonyx says, 'they are weak'
Sardonyx says, 'but its not like they hurt'
Spanish-Flea says, 'you cant hit back'
Sardonyx says, 'its fun to try to flee away and go back and forth 40 times'
LadyAce says, 'they're one way to get the effect we're looking for there'
LadyAce says, 'how do you fight a flame anyway? :P'
Spanish-Flea says, 'which is furstration?'
Sardonyx laughs.
Spanish-Flea says, 'or immortal hatred?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I tried'
Kae splashes water all over LadyAce - wanna join in the fun?
Spanish-Flea says, 'It wouldnt let me douse :P'
Sardonyx says, 'you gotta have faith!'
Sandra giggles.
LadyAce says, 'No...it's a way to do damage to you so you don't hang around :P'
Kaige says, 'you tried to douse a whole lake?'
Sardonyx says, 'I fled to the bottom, backstabed barabas, then fought him and flames while he failed incites trying to incite me on flames!'
Kaige giggles.
Sardonyx says, 'now THAT was weak!'
Onizuka says, 'maybe a new class for pitts as a hometown, firefighters?'
Onizuka says, 'can shoot people with hoses or something'
LadyAce says, 'it's an effect of being in there, it's not like you should be able to just hang out :P'
Sardonyx says, 'you can though'
Sardonyx says, 'if you're tricky :)'
Spanish-Flea says, 'just relocate tiddalick to right beside the lake'
LadyAce says, 'next question up is Myrella, unless there are other commens on this topic?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'anyway it just screams newbie DT I thought I should complain about that, and sandra being too un-evil'
Is Sandra working on an Area?>
Sardonyx says to Sandra, 'are you working on any areas these days or kinda on break?'
Sandra says, 'I've got a couple that are on hold until I have time. School and work are keeping me pretty busy'
Spanish-Flea says to Sandra, 'dont make any more till your mobs stop cheating'
Sardonyx nods solemnly.
Sardonyx says, 'Sandra cheats'
Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with Sardonyx.
Sardonyx says, 'can't help it if her mobs do too'
Myrella says, 'not a question just a comment, the hyenas are still hanging out in huge groups, ran into 33 in one room a few days ago'
Onizuka says, 'oh'
Sandra says, 'yea I heard =('
Sandra says, 'there was 108 the other day ;)'
Spanish-Flea says, 'my god, and I wasnt called!'
Sardonyx says, 'that'd be some fun firestormin'
Spanish-Flea firestorm
Myrella says, 'and that was after killing a bunch :P'
Kae says, 'must... firestorm ....'
Chocorua says, 'cheyla and i were discussing that ont eh way home tonight .. think shes looking into it again'
Onizuka says, 'does sandra want a log of eva doing a really wierd cheating thing so she can look at it and see whats up or not?'
Sandra says, 'I didn't build Eva, her cheating things are most likely intentional'
Sardonyx says, 'sandra needs her own Hol mob'
Sandra says, 'but I'll still take a look at it'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I bet eva was sandra's mortal alt'
Sandra says, 'I have one!'
Spanish-Flea says, 'it'd explain the cheating'
Sandra says, 'nah Lori was mine'
Kaige says, 'Eva was Fionn like everyone else.'
Onizuka asks Sandra a question.
It sounded like 'where should I send it?' to you.
LadyAce says, 'who else has a question?'
Sandra says, '[email protected]'
Sardonyx says, 'it can have 0 skill lag, damcap every round, firestorm every round, and cure crit while fighting the same pulse as the firestorm, and the next round augment with no lag'
Sandra says, 'while dancing'
Sardonyx says, 'yes'
Sardonyx says, 'actually'
Sardonyx says, 'even better'
Sardonyx says, 'while sleeping'
Sandra giggles.
Spanish-Flea says, 'the snoring acts as a slay act'
Spanish-Flea ducks to the ground.
Sandra says, 'then when it finally does die, it turns into a zombie and repeats the process'
Sardonyx snickers softly.
Sardonyx says, 'you can't kill a mob cure critting and augmenting constantly :P'
Sandra says, 'you might could!'
Sandra says, 'it's good to cover all bases'
Sardonyx chortles with amusement.
Sardonyx says, 'so now that so many mobs destroy dopples in like 3 rounds, what point is there to 2nd circle create again? :P'
Sardonyx says, 'maybe its that cool weaken armor spell I've heard so much about'
Huginn says, 'so many?'
Kae says, 'porters? they're awful nice porters'
Kae nods to herself.
Sandra says, 'wave of nausea rules'
Sardonyx nods his agreement with Sandra.
Spanish-Flea says, 'yeah I wanted to switch to cause after I was nerfed, but I had issues departing with dream sending'
Sandra loves how their faces turn all green.
Sardonyx snickers at Spanish-Flea nastily.
Kaige says to Sandra, 'dreamsend12'
Sardonyx says, 'dream sending....'
Kaige says, 'err..'
Sandra says, 'oh yea, dream send rules too!'
Sardonyx says, 'sadly enough, I've used dream sending :P'
Kae loves it.
Sardonyx says, 'I love to hate it'
Sardonyx says, 'and I hate that I used it'
Myrella says, 'dream send is useful about once evern 6 months or so for that one time .....'
Sardonyx says, 'its such a throw back to the old days to just praise messages until they info!'
Sandra says, 'I wish it was more than 3 lines so I could make the menu screen ;)'
Kae grins evilly at Sandra.. wonder what she's thinking...
Sardonyx says, 'then again...'
Spanish-Flea says, 'aww damn I cant praise here'
Sardonyx says, 'who learns praise anymore'
Spanish-Flea pouts.
Sardonyx says, 'imms are so weird :P'
Sandra says, 'I rarely learned it to begin with, so it's no change fo rme'
Sardonyx says, 'I used to learn it on mages to be helpful'
Sardonyx says, 'but uh...like 1 in 100 people need praise now'
Sardonyx says, 'not exactly worthwhile'
Sandra says, 'lemme answer Sardonyx from my point of view real quick'
Sardonyx says, 'I don't really care if dopples are nerfed, I hate creates anyway :P'
Sandra says, 'the mobs in salem were never meant to be something that create mages could take down wiht no trouble. I updated and updated, and then Huginn coded the damage flags, so they went in'
Myrella says, 'still soloeable just takes more time'
Myrella shrugs helplessly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'they detect illusion that nerfs creates'
Huginn bows deeply.
Sandra says, 'nope'
Kae says, 'it taking time is part of it though'
Sandra says, 'it hurts all charmies now'
Kae says, 'you could say that investing an hour in something big and nasty is as good game wise as killing six smaller things in that hour'
Sandra says, 'detect illusion was just doppels'
Myrella says, 'thats fine 5 mins for 184k is ok with me'
Chocorua says, 'some encounters/mobs should never be soloable .. and soemtiems that takes tweaking'
Sardonyx says, 'yeah, I forgot, it does smoke skeletons too'
Sandra nods her agreement with Kae.
Sardonyx says, 'it doesn't seem to smoke zombies though'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I can still solo all of boston/salem with this char I bet'
Sandra says to Myrella, 'they only do double damage, I could easily make that triple ;)'
Myrella shrugs helplessly.
Spanish-Flea just double gauches things in klein new
Spanish-Flea slash
Spanish-Flea slash hard
Huginn says, 'or 4x'
Sardonyx yawns, bored with Huginn's conversation.
Sardonyx says to Huginn, 'code useful things like hunt lag'
Huginn shakes his head in disagreement with Sardonyx.
Spanish-Flea says, 'not tools for the devil'
Sardonyx says to Huginn, 'all the imms liked it!'
Sardonyx says to Huginn, 'do it!'
Huginn says, 'that'll have to be someone else's project'
Sardonyx says, 'bah'
Sardonyx says, 'just take the code in blind that adds a lag to blind'
Kae says, 'the devil doesn't need tools, he's happily crashing my testmud as it is'
Sardonyx says, 'and paste it to hunt'
Kae nods to herself.
Spanish-Flea says, 'ok I gotta wail about lima'
Spanish-Flea says, 'the changes made it a more popular hometown'
Spanish-Flea says, 'anyway a lot more limans are romaning around now'
Myrella says, 'poor them'
Myrella says, 'lima'
Spanish-Flea says, 'and they're all collectively realizing that they've been screwed'
Myrella wrinkles her nose with distaste.
Sardonyx raises his eyebrow at Spanish-Flea.
Sandra says, 'they are?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'yeah'
Kae's Liman -- old as 1996 -- never noticed she was screwed.
Spanish-Flea says, 'you'd think a combination of bardic skills would be uesful'
Sardonyx chortles at Kae's feeble witticism.
Spanish-Flea says, 'then you realize that a) your surgery isnt just bad its craptacular'
Spanish-Flea says, 'b) you cant learn sniper'
Sardonyx says, 'Arkenstone used my liman to kill lori, then he got purged'
Sardonyx says, 'yes you can'
Kae says, 'I dunno, my Liman is probably my most powerful solo character'
Sandra says, 'you can learn sniper from lima'
Sandra has snipers from lima.
Spanish-Flea says, 'grr'
Spanish-Flea says, 'remind me to hurt the two limans who said I couldnt'
Sardonyx says, 'dunno why you would'
Sardonyx says, 'but ya could'
Sandra says, 'limans are fine as they are. Don't expect any changes to them for a long while, I think'
Sardonyx says, 'fix klien now :P'
Spanish-Flea says, 'make it the xp/treasure trove it was before!'
Sandra says, '*maybe* their surgery will change in the future, but that's a big maybe'
Spanish-Flea says, 'and still is!'
Sardonyx says, 'poor liman surgeons'
Sardonyx says, 'its depressing to be a liman surgeon, hehe'
Sardonyx says, 'I operated for 11, yay!'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I do 5'
Spanish-Flea says, 'with 75 spirit'
Myrella says, 'I've seen a 7 once :P'
Sardonyx says, 'ironwill outheals liman surgeons :P'
Onizuka says, 'lets all plot something to do to druids'
Sandra says, 'we already did the druid thing'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I love how I cant get over the 20 hp hump with 70 spirit'
Myrella waves happily.
Onizuka says, 'what what?'
Sardonyx says, 'how were druids stung?'
Sardonyx says, 'oh'
Spanish-Flea says, 'its like this barrier I cant seem to break'
Sardonyx says, 'the spirit thing'
Sardonyx says, 'that really helped more then it hurt, but I won't argue :P'
Sardonyx says, 'you just made people realize that 100 hp poultices are far more useful anyway'
Dress Wounds, First Draft, Eh?
Herbert says, 'so can someone tell me what dress wounds first draft is gonna do, in a tell cos im assuming its already been covered *giggle*'
Sardonyx says, 'it hasn't'
Kaige says, 'for players? nothing.'
Kaige throws her head back and cackles gleefully!
Sardonyx says, 'but I think its imm only'
Sardonyx nods solemnly.
Sandra says, 'right now nothing ;)'
Herbert says, 'awwwwww!'
Herbert says, 'i was finally excited about surgeons'
Sardonyx says, 'do limans get dress wounds?'
Herbert pouts.
Kaige says, 'basically that was to let you guys know there has been progress made one it'
Herbert nods solemnly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'I dont see one for steal though'
Sardonyx throws his head back and cackles gleefully!
Herbert says, 'well it worked, your rabid surgeon fell right for it!'
Sandra says, 'we're working hard on getting dress wound done. It's gonna be a little while longer though'
Sardonyx says, 'surgeons are just grumpy they lose prestige for doing what they do'
Sardonyx says, 'can't blame them for that'
Herbert says, 'doesnt make me grumpy, ive just been bleating at Q&A for like 5 years about surgeons, its cool to see somethings happening'
Herbert giggles.
Sandra says, 'I went and got all picky and convinced Huginn that we needed another skill with it'
Kae says, 'because the answer to that question is when it's done!'
Sardonyx says, 'last I heard it wasn't even being worked on'
Sardonyx says, 'that you weren't sure HOW to fix it'
Sardonyx says, 'therefore it seems discussion would be a plus'
Herbert says, 'Will Hell have a premiere opening? with like a contest like charlie and the chocolate factory to see who gets the tour?'
Kae says to Herbert, 'I might do something along those lines, sure'
Herbert says, 'for every loaf of bread you buy you COULD win a golden ticket to Hell!'
Kae says, 'had an idea about recall tag in the 8th circle too or something'
Herbert says, 'the GLEE!'
Spanish-Flea says, 'just a question I know cheap has asked for pure spirit mages'
Spanish-Flea says, 'what about just pure bards in general'
Spanish-Flea says, 'not reliant on dex/con/str?'
Onizuka says, 'just bad singing..?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'or does that invoke some evil skilltree plan/fantasy that will cause blood to boil?'
Onizuka says, 'critical failures for the sing skill that damage everyone in the area?'
Kaige says to Spanish-Flea, 'basically'
Spanish-Flea sings and critically fails, and starts sounding like New Kids On The Block
Sandra goes EEK! at Spanish-Flea in distress - isn't Spanish-Flea an awful person for teasing?
Sardonyx says, 'just join order of the scroll and pretend you're a bard'
Sardonyx says, 'its worked for years now'
Sardonyx says to Kaige, 'when do lt submissions have to be in?'
Sardonyx says, 'I've never submitted anything before'
Sardonyx shrugs helplessly.
Kaige says, 'what's help LT say?'
Sardonyx says, 'dunno, didn't know there was a help lt'
Sardonyx says, 'besides'
Sardonyx says, 'it comes out so randomly I figured the time deadline changed'
Kaige says, 'besides you can look it up faster than me switching screens'
Kaige says, 'It comes out usually on Sat afternoon, or Sunday afternoon... that's not so erratic I think?'
Sardonyx says, 'it doesn't say'
LadyAce says, 'Kaige works really hard to get it out in a very tight timeframe, I don't think it's fair to say erratic at all.'
Kae says to Sardonyx, 'yanno, Kaige has like, a life and kids too, I don't think the LT sometimes not coming out untl Monday is that much of a disaster'
Sardonyx says, 'help lt doesn't say a deadline...'
Sardonyx says, 'I'm not complaining about when it comes out'
Sardonyx says, 'jeez guys, don't take things so negatively'
Sardonyx says, 'I don't even know what day its supposed to be out'
LadyAce says, '"erratic" isn't usually meant as praise :)'
Sardonyx says, 'just saying, I figured the deadline moved with it'
Chocorua says, 'maybe it's the presentation?'
Sardonyx rolls his eyes, exasperated with Chocorua.
Sardonyx says to Chocorua, 'you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone, that way we don't fight, deal?'
Kaige says, 'sorry, but "It comes out so randomly" does come out as rather complaining on your part'
Kae says, 'usually it's out on saturday or sunday and deadline is usually friday midnight'
Sardonyx winks suggestively at Chocorua.
Kaige says, 'Friday midnight'
Sardonyx says, 'friday midnight'
Sardonyx says, 'gotcha'
Sardonyx says, 'good idea with the help lt'
Kaige says, 'cause I usually put it all togther on Sat morning when I get up'
Sardonyx says, 'maybe should put the deadline in there'
Kaige says, 'I thought it was in there... maybe it's in the motd that talks about it'
Sardonyx says, 'yep'
Sardonyx says, 'm otd'
Sardonyx says, 'I haven't read that in years, it never changes anymore, my bad'
Sardonyx says, 'used to change all the time! used to love that motd :)'
Sardonyx says, 'help newbie...'
Sardonyx says, 'sweet, help tips'
Sardonyx says, 'how many tips are there?'
LadyAce says, 'lots.'
LadyAce giggles.
Sardonyx says, 'wish I could see a list!'
Sardonyx grumbles.
Sardonyx says, 'suicide?'
Sardonyx says, 'actually help suicide reminds me of a question'
Spanish-Flea laughs.
Sardonyx says, 'hehe'
What's Up With Monthly Purges?
Sardonyx says, 'are the monthly purges even happening anymore?'
Chocorua says, 'kinda on my todo plate'
Chocorua says, 'the purges that is'
Sardonyx says, 'so they are still off?'
Chocorua says, 'yeah'
Sardonyx nods solemnly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'yeah just a question about the funniest underused spell in the game--empathy!'
Sardonyx laughs.
Sardonyx says, 'that spell is funny'
Spanish-Flea says, 'galahad made me promise to complain, with emphasis on sandra'
Spanish-Flea says, 'do you need matching accept lists to empathy even after the timer is gone? why does it reset your timer if the other person carries no PK timer?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'and...'
Spanish-Flea says, 'why are there so many restrictions'
Spanish-Flea says, 'good align, within 5 levels, etc'
Kaige says, 'oh, I'm gonna get jumped.. heal me up anyway you can... even if all you have is empathy!'
Kaige says, 'or I'm gonna go jump someone... heal me up!'
Kaige says, 'that'd explain the timer tripping'
Onizuka says, 'what about helping poor stupid little tiny newbies?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'then shouldnt it not exhude a timer for a PKE character?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'actually its the other way around'
Spanish-Flea says, 'oh crap I challenged galahad to a fight somebody sink and prep me so I dont get killed'
Spanish-Flea chuckles politely.
Kaige says, 'pke is just weird. we SAID we were putting it in as is.. and it's got a bunch of weird ways it works with the pkok code.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I noticed'
Kaige says, 'having them both running at the same time that is...'
Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.
Huginn nods solemnly.
Align and Prestige More Meaningful?
Spanish-Flea says, 'on that note, will there be more evil/good/neutral align spells in the future? Or at least plans to further increase the consequences of align above eq and some quests?'
Sandra says, 'dunno, and hopefully'
Kae says, 'well, I can say that alignment will mean something in two upcoming areas of mine at least'
Spanish-Flea says, 'I mean right now I can think of like 4 things that align affects'
Spanish-Flea says, '5'
Spanish-Flea says, 'yep I blank out after 5'
Chocorua says, 'i am still working on making align mean more with skills and such .. but i don't expect it to be popular so not sure how much time i am putting into it'
Sandra says, 'I dunno about spells, but I'd like to see align mean more'
Kaige says to Chocorua, 'prestige too?'
Chocorua says, 'yes'
Kaige smiles happily.
Spanish-Flea says, 'well I mean if you're gonna implement it, it'd be suicide to change existing spells'
Chocorua says to Kaige, 'all in teh same thing but i really haven't worked on it in a couple months'
Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.
Spanish-Flea says, 'you'd get wailed on, but there are some very nice unimplemented spells that could bode well'
Chocorua says, 'i wasnt targetting spells much more skill useage and success and the like'
Sandra says, 'I suspect that new spells are a long way off, if at all'
Twilight says, 'how about a transmorgif... oh... When is dress wounds coming?'
Sandra says, 'we've got a bit more work on it coz I went and got picky'
Huginn says, 'not for a couple of weeks'
Domingo chuckles politely.
Twilight giggles at Sandra.
Sandra says, 'well, I am a nurse ;)'
Huginn says, 'and I went and got busy in RL'
Domingo cheers wildly!
Spanish-Flea whistles at Sandra appreciatively.
Spanish-Flea ducks to the ground.
Huginn cries on Kaige's shoulder.
Twilight nods his agreement with Sandra.
Sandra says, 'we're gonna make it so you can inject medicine too'
Twilight says, 'cool!'
Twilight says, 'will that be a new skill or part of dress wounds?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'is caffiene counted as a medicine?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'or at least coffee beans?'
Spanish-Flea chuckles politely.
Sandra says, 'um, haven't decided'
Sandra says, 'and no'
Domingo drools at the thought of it. His surgeon will be so happy, if he can just pry the syringe away from Herbert
Sandra giggles.
LadyAce giggles at Domingo.
Spanish-Flea says, 'I'd just like to point out that when an imm says 'experiment' it cant always be the case, there are some things in this game that need to be told and cant be deduced'
Spanish-Flea says, 'as I was saying last week, I cannot experiment to show how limn stacks'
Twilight says, 'limn stacks?'
Sandra says, 'yea, you can experiment with that'
Spanish-Flea looks arrogant.
Spanish-Flea screams loudly!
Spanish-Flea says to Sandra, 'when I fail at experimenting I'll be sure to send you the logs so you can personally tell me how it works'
Sandra says, 'have the victim look at their hitroll each time it's cast on them'
Sandra is completely boggled.
Spanish-Flea bonks Sandra on the head!
Sandra says, 'if it goes up 3 each time, then it sticks'
Sandra says, 'gah, stacks'
Spanish-Flea says, 'it's not a negative implement'
Twilight giggles.
Spanish-Flea says, 'and its on a mob, not a player'
Spanish-Flea screams loudly!
Sandra says, 'try'
Sandra says, 'it'
Sandra says, 'on'
Sandra says, 'a'
Sandra says, 'player'
Chocorua nods his agreement with Sandra.
Spanish-Flea says, 'then'
Spanish-Flea says, 'update'
Spanish-Flea says, 'the'
Spanish-Flea says, 'damn'
Spanish-Flea says, 'helpfile'
Twilight says, 'How did you do that so fast?'
Domingo thinks someone screams a lot.
Twilight says, 'you type too fast'
Twilight runs around the room in circles, squealing loudly.
Sandra says, 'why? it doesn't say it's just on a mob'
Twilight nods to himself.
Sandra says, 'it says victim'
Spanish-Flea says, 'against the victim'
Kaige says, 'and targets others.'
Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.
Spanish-Flea says, 'note the against'
Spanish-Flea says, 'meaning its mob/person specific'
Twilight says, 'get someone willing to be experimented on.'
Domingo says, 'enable and try it on someone'
Domingo nods solemnly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'arr like I said when I fail I'll come bonk you some more'
Kaige says, 'yeah, victim specific'
Sandra says, 'it says to me that it raises their hitroll by 3. So that'd show up in their score'
Spanish-Flea says, 'it says to me that it increases your chance to hit them by 3'
Domingo nods solemnly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'along with a half dozen other players who limn mobs on runs and in groups'
Domingo says, 'that was my understanding of the spell as well'
Spanish-Flea says, 'THANK YOU'
Spanish-Flea bonks Sandra on the head!
Sandra shrugs helplessly.
Spanish-Flea says, 'are you saying we can not only bless but increase out hitroll more?'
Domingo says, 'to give the party a better chance to hit'
LadyAce says, 'limn reads as a way to do damage to the victim'
LadyAce says, 'as far as I know, that's true.'
Spanish-Flea cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!
Twilight says, 'i thought limn decreased hitroll'
Twilight is completely boggled.
Kaige says, 'it makes them stand out more so you can see to hit them better'
Sandra says, 'yea so I'm backwards.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'Outlines the victim with a pale light giving a +3 to hit against the victim.'
Sandra says, '+3 to you, -3 to them.'
Domingo says, 'I thought it outlined them in white so you could.. yeah.. she types too fast'
Domingo tickles Kaige.
Spanish-Flea screams loudly!
Twilight says, 'oh so you see them better'
Spanish-Flea says, 'that makes even less sense'
Spanish-Flea whimpers softly.
Twilight says, '+3 to you makes sense, why -3 to them?'
Spanish-Flea says, 'whatever forget I asked'
Twilight goes EEK! in distress.
Twilight panics, and attempts to flee.
Twilight panics, and attempts to flee.
LadyAce says, 'it's a spell that changes some things about the fight.'
Domingo chuckles politely.
Spanish-Flea says, 'wow'
LadyAce says, 'so I'd say, fight to find out about it.'
Spanish-Flea says, 'thats even more specific :P'
Spanish-Flea looks stupid.
LadyAce says, 'write a trigger to capture what your damage is and compare it in fights against the same mob?'
LadyAce says, 'have it log it to a file'
Onizuka sneezes.
Spanish-Flea says, 'hitroll isnt damroll'
Domingo says, 'then how many times you hit'
Domingo nods solemnly.
Kaige says, 'so how often you hit them...'
LadyAce says, 'but you can see its results in the fight round if you know where to look.'
Kaige nods her agreement with Domingo.
Spanish-Flea says, 'I'd need 500 rounds of combat on the same mob without skills to determine that'
Spanish-Flea says, 'with scientific accuracy'
Kaige says, 'gee.. sounds like an experiment to me!'
Kaige ducks to the ground.
Domingo says, 'Big job ahead of ya'
Spanish-Flea says, 'one with limn, once without it'
Domingo chuckles politely.
Spanish-Flea says, 'aka 1k rounds'
LadyAce says, 'well, maybe scientific accuracy is overrated!'
Spanish-Flea says, 'when you're taking about a 3% difference in hitroll you need the big numbers'
Chocorua waves happily.
Chocorua says, 'have a good night folks'
Kaige says, 'ok off to herd the cats (I mean kids) toward bed'
Kaige waves happily.
Additional Topics Answered
This section is intended to address some of the things that come up repeatedly
and also provide a place where players can submit questions via the feedback
channel (Q&A) so questions can be logged when they're thought of and the
answers reported back here.
Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.
Ok, this one is tricky. You do stop fighting momentarily, but if there is anyone in the room who is fighting you, the fight will "start up again."
The ONLY item type that the code currently recognizes a material type for is ARMOR. This is spelled out clearly in HELP MAKE BANDAGE (an ARMOR type object of material type CLOTH) and HELP MENDING (ARMOR of type CLOTH, LEATHER or FUR). There are various ways to know if you're holding an item that the game considers appropriate: APPRAISE, PREVIEW, and the IDENTIFY OBJECT spell.
The display of game time is something that can be turned off by the builder. Not all areas will have a notion of time passing.
This is the type of automation that we've always been philsophically against. In HELP CHANGES it states, "we do not intend to ever have automapping, autolooting, aliases, or any other commands that permit players to not pay attention to the game as they play." That said, you can do that fairly easily with a trigger on a mudclient.
Sorry, but the redeem system was never intended as a way to hand out in-game advantages.
This is on our todo list. But currently to light a lamp, you must use it and removing it will turn it off again.
We do need to get the monthly purges going again to free up the unused names.
This sounds like a combination of the PICK LOCK and DISARM TRAP skills.
Some general reasons for daily reboots include: wiping characters and/or equipment to keep people from getting too unbalanced compared to each other and trying to minimize the effects of an out of control memory leak. Reboots and crashes are disruptive. If you're trying to build more of an immersive world, then the more disruptions and times you pull people out of it, the less likely you're going to achieve your goal.Our weekly updates give everyone, both immorts and players, a reasonable expectation of when things will change.
They don't exist in every inn. It's up to the builder. Also, you shouldn't rely on one source for income.