July 3rd, 2003

No Fun Furniture at Q&As?

Colm says, 'My first question is : How come there's no furniture at Q&A's anymore?'

LadyAce says, 'Kaige makes the furniture'

LadyAce says, 'so I dunno what this "anymore" stuff is, she does it every week'

Colm says, 'well, not last time i was at a Q&A...'

LadyAce says, 'well....far as I know, there's no big trend of her not doing it :)'

Colm says, 'either that or I really need to pay attention more.'

Kaige says, 'and the furniture's usually here. I don't always do long descriptions on them nor does someone always sit in them.'

Colm says, 'whats the furniture today?'

Kaige says, 'why not sit in the chair and find out. =)'

Colm stands up.

Colm sits down on a blanket under the stars.

Colm says, 'cool'

Kaige says, 'always has the keyword chair. =)'

Kaige says, 'thought it would be comfy to catch any early fireworks shows'

Reverse Look Up with Herblore

Colm says, 'I idea'd this earlier i think but ; Could herblore work backwards as well?'

Colm says, 'like type in 'herblore strength' and it gives you a list of the herbs that will make a strength poultice or potion etc.'

LadyAce says, 'it's designed to be a little more flavorful than that, really'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Colm mopes around, depressed.

Colm nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'making it into a raw lookup tool would go against the "lore" part of the skill'

Colm says, 'oh. Shucks!'

LadyAce says, 'if you work with the skill for a while, you'll probably start remembering stuff'

Colm nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Plans for a Fourth Era?

Trepteri says, 'are there any plans to add a fourth era?'

Kaige says, 'Nope. Not earlier or more recent than what we have so far.'

Trepteri nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'we're not really at the limits of the current world, so there's not a lot of reason to do it'

LadyAce says, 'what prompts your interest, though?'

Trepteri says, 'just curioisty.. when I first played here I had a notion of building, but then outworld stuff took my time away'

Kaige says, 'and go much older and there's no history to pull from.. and too recent it's not historical enough and future's not "how it should have been" but rather "what it might be"'

How about Immortal Realms?

Colm says, 'Along the asme lines as Trepteri's question;'

Colm says, 'Could the staf make not an era, but an level restricted area like 'Mount Olympus' or something?'

Colm says, 'er... staff that is.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Colm says, 'Gods and such.'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Colm listens for crickets.

Kaige says, 'tho making it tie in and work with the rest of the mud is the key part'

LadyAce says, 'we have an ancient greece as it is, so it wouldn't be a big stretch necessarily'

Kaige says, 'unlike one where the area they are gods of doesn't exist.'

Colm says, 'well, it would tie in easily enough, there's already greece and Hermes is already a mob, as is Odysseus.'

Kaige says, 'yes.. I'm just saying in general.'

Colm nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'for our future readers. =)'

New Area Progress?

Trepteri says, 'any hints on what new areas may be on the horizon?'

LadyAce says, 'well, I'm really close to putting the Klein update into testing, Kae is putting in regular work on Larderello...the stuff you see in the LT, really'

Kaige says, 'I haven't had time to work on anything in progress lately'

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Trepteri nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'the LT doesn't include work not uploaded to the server, so it's not a complete picture of work that's going on, but it's one source of info'

Kaige says, 'but I still have eldorado and 1950s small town america out there.'

Kaige says, 'it's a reliable and consistent source of info. =)'

LadyAce says, 'I've seen Cheyla putting in stuff for her Alaska expansion too'

LadyAce says, 'those are the major areas of progress right now I think.'

Trepteri says, 'tacking my two questions together, the idea I had those two years ago were for industrial and colonial New York/New Amsterdam'

Trepteri chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'none in the works on either atm'

LadyAce says, 'well, if you're just freshly back, now might not be the best time to apply :) but we take apps march and september 1 each year'

Trepteri says, 'oh, I wouldn't until I had a better look around anyway.. but we'll see come sept'

Trepteri grins evilly.

LadyAce smiles at Trepteri.

Why's Sandra's Bow so Good?

Colm says, 'Why is Sandra's bow so good?'

Hawkye throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Kaige says, 'she made it that way'

Kaige giggles.

Hawkye nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chocorua says, 'same reason my gaze hurts'

LadyAce says, 'and she's Sandra!'

Chocorua pokes powerful gaze.

Kaige says, 'we can set stats on items apart from what's in the database'

Colm cowers in fear of Chocorua's wrath!

Kaige says, 'well, some of us can'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Colm says to Chocorua, 'Say, how much do you want for that Gaze?'

Colm winks suggestively at Chocorua.

Hawkye says, 'I've experimented with making imm weapons on an offline program...you can make some sick weapons if you know how.'

Hawkye chuckles politely.

Chocorua says to Colm, '125,000 american payable to the Chocoruagetoutadebt fund'

Colm scowls.

Min Level to Apply for Imm?

Colm says, 'Would it be possible for a lower-than-50 player, such as myself or an alt of mine to become an imm if I er... THEY knew enough about the game?'

Kaige says, 'help application says level 45+'

Colm says, 'weeding out the weak'

Hawkye chuckles politely.

What's With All the Crashes?

Colm says, 'What's with the crashing?'

Tim pokes the welcome board.

Tim says, 'read 35'

Kaige says, 'wish I knew. =) But snapper found one thing today that's going in in two parts... one is code side tomorrow and one is area that will go in if it crashes before then'

Colm nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'but basically it's memory issues, so they're hard to pin down and don't always leave us a nice pattern to help identify where the source of the problem really is.'

Colm says, 'what's legend programmed with?'

Chocorua says, 'the mud machines getting senile basically'

Kaige says, 'ansi c'

Bug with Walls?

Arya says, 'I had a Pkok char get attacked by a PKE char the other day and I cast a stone wall and he walked trough it like it wasnt there, what gives?'

Kaige says, 'bug that we need to pound on..'

Arya says, 'bleah guess no point in fighting then till its fixed'

Kaige says, 'it's a problem with pke and pkok both running at the same time that the way the checks are set up right now doesn't take into consideration.'

LadyAce says, 'well, I just wouldn't use that tactic :)'

Kaige says, 'well, we fixed one side of it, and it looks like it flipped the other way now..'

LadyAce says, 'take it as a time to explore some new approaches'

Arya says to LadyAce, 'I need to use walls to limit snipers mobility to have any chance'

LadyAce says to Arya, 'seems like it might be a good idea to think up some other strategies, is all. Cuz if they have a counter to that ... :('

Kaige says to Arya, 'I'll try to take another look and see what's going on'

Arya nods solemnly.

Arya says, 'please do'

LadyAce says to Arya, 'it's a good general principle, especially with code changes. Sometimes they take a while to work themselves out, and being reliant on any one thing turns into a real source of trouble :/'

Arya says to LadyAce, 'I usually dont use walls the sistuation was jsut good at the time to use it'

What's PKE stand for?

Colm says, 'what does the 'E' in 'PKE' stand for?'

Tim says, 'everyone?'

LadyAce says, 'enabled'

Tim snaps his fingers. ATTITUDE!

Colm says, 'what does the 'OK' stand for?'

Kaige says, 'just short hand so we can distinguish between 'em'

Colm says, 'so PKE is like an all inclusive PKOK AA?'

Chocorua says, 'pkok without reject'

Colm says, 'oh yeah.'

Kaige says to Colm, 'no. it's only all inclusive among others that are PKE -- no reject -- can only get out by perma or redeem'

Kaige says, 'and you can only have one PKE char'

Colm says, 'but if you want to get out, you're probably losing which means you'll never get the xp to redeem... making the only way out perma-ing. Sneaky!'

Kaige says, 'nah.. depends on why you're losing really'

LadyAce says, 'I wouldn't call it sneaky -- just a way of making sure people don't go for cheap shots'

LadyAce says, 'people who want to redeem sometimes do it with a group of friends, then they don't get jumped'

LadyAce says, 'and sometimes it works just to post that you're trying to redeem, and could people let you do your thing'

Colm nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'then again, if you've made a nuisance of yourself...people may not listen :)'

Hawkye says, 'Unfortunately, there are some really obnoxious people...'

LadyAce says, 'or if you keep claiming you're trying to leave...then fighting...well :)'

What's an Alias?

Colm says, 'so should the 'disagree' social replace 'down' with the 'd'?'

Kaige giggles at Colm.

Colm says, 'oh is that what an alias does??'

Arya says, 'Mmm aliases'

Arya hugs herself in front of everyone - what a narcissist!

Tim says, 'an alias means you type one command and another (or a group of them) is instead sent to the mud'

Kaige says, 'yeah, you can have somethign short replace something long that way, making it easier to type..'

Arya nods her agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'yea, it's alias in the computer sense of aliases I guess.'

Colm says, 'so it's a KING of trigger?'

Arya says, 'spells are great for aliases'

Tim says, 'for example when I type mana I get my chalice out, drink from it, refill it, and put it away'

Arya grins evilly.

Colm says, 'er... kind.. kinda. boo me!'

Tim says, 'not quite a trigger'

Kaige says, 'like MURB shirt for me means "make bandage shirt%unroll roll%roll bandage 4*"'

Tim says, 'it's only activated when you type it'

Kaige nods her agreement with Tim.

Colm nods solemnly.

Colm says, 'interesting.'

Tim says, 'if you're a mage pretty much all of your spells will be aliased or you'll go insane pretty fast'

Kaige says, 'it's like a hot-key but you can have them make sense to you and be words instead of single keys'

Colm says, 'very interesting'

Lorenzo says to Colm, 'know what a macro is?'

Tim says, 'what with chatting things by accident all the time'

Colm says to Lorenzo, 'I haven't a clue.'

Lorenzo says, 'just like an alias, in case you ever run across it :)'

Colm nods solemnly.

Colm says, 'whatever i'm useing...'

Chocorua says, 'some clients use macros and aliases though'

Colm says, ''MUSHclient' has aliases...'

Chocorua says, 'and the macros don't require you to hit enter ... some call that a hotkey'

Colm says, 'but then you can only type one letter.'

Lorenzo says to Chocorua, 'but there's not really any nonsemantic difference'

Tim says, 'I'm using MUSHClient it's pretty simple to use'

Colm says, 'says you, i only figured out triggers last week!'

Chocorua says to Lorenzo, 'difference is in execution'

Tim chuckles politely.

Colm whaps himself across the back of the head!

Tim says, 'aliases are easier than triggers'

Lorenzo says, 'when you have macros, aliases, hotkeys, and functions, at least two of them are the same thing'

Colm nods solemnly.

Chocorua nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Kaige says, 'the only trick with aliases is making them either unique enough they don't screw up regular typing or remembering to turn them off before you post to a board.'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Chocorua.

Tim says, 'just type the command you'll want to activate it, for example fly * as the alias'

Lorenzo says to Chocorua, 'but yeah, in lots of cases I see, the main difference is how you invoke it'

Tim says, 'then for the sent bit I've got chant kere dyn vayu ex %1 as the command that is sent'

LadyAce says, 'there, help alias edited to answer your question a bit :)'

Colm says, 'so say i set 'mana' to do the chalice thing, it will do all those and not say 'huh'?'

Tim says, 'right'

Tim chuckles politely.

Colm blinks.

Tim says, 'right Colm'

Tim says, 'cause if I type mana it doesn't send mana'

Colm says, 'oh it sends the command string...'

Colm says, 'i getcha'

Tim says, 'MUSHClient reads mana as the commands I entered so legend never receives the "mana"'

Colm says, 'neato'

Lag with Big Groups?

Arya says, 'I trust that someone is loook at the lovely big groups = lag thing?'

Tim says, 'there's no lag for groups if everyone sets fighttype none'

Kaige says, 'Rufus already put in one fix to addressed that already, but I don't know if he has any other plans to go further with it.'

Colm says, 'but then surgeons don't know who to heal if the enemy does no specials...'

Hawkye nods his agreement with Colm.

Tim says, 'they heal the tank'

Kaige says, 'it's the person's who's hp are dropping fast when you type group'

Chocorua says, 'the surgeon isnt very good then'

Colm says, 'too much hassle...'

Hawkye says, 'typing group makes you lose time.'

Arya nods solemnly.

Hawkye says, 'lost time is dangerous.'

Colm says, 'with all the lag, by the time you type group the tank or whoever is hit is DEAD!'

Kaige says, 'not knowing someone's taking damage is dangerous too'

Colm says, 'dead dead dead dead!'

Hawkye says, 'I don't know who's taking damage if I don't watch the fight!'

Hawkye throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Chocorua says, 'i'd have the people who need it turned on .. there are ways to handle it'

Progress on Dress Wounds?

Colm says, 'Dress wounds?'

Tim says, 'heh, in a couple weeks that'll be like asking about steal'

Colm laughs.

Hawkye nods his agreement with Tim.

Kaige says, 'sandra and huginn are still working on it.. Sandra's doing research for it.. she's also in the middle of finals right now'

Colm nods solemnly.

Tim says, 'whoa, late finals'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'what the heck is she doing working on school when legend is in session?'

Kaige says, 'quarterly, not semester schedule I think'

Lorenzo says, 'er, I mean'

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'trying to make more money'

Tim winces.

LadyAce giggles at Lorenzo.

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Trepteri giggles.

Difficulty of Suckerpunch Teachers?

Colm says, 'Why is suckerpunch taught by such hard mobs?'

Kaige says, 'like Barney?'

Colm says, 'I didn' think i should name them... game info and that...'

Chocorua snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'is that who you mean tho?'

Colm nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says to Colm, 'THAT is a perfect expample of WHY you shouldn't trust LegendDB.'

Kaige says, 'Barney doesn't teach suckerpunch tho I keep pondering him doing it to you if you ask him.'

Colm says, 'legenddb?'

Kaige says, 'if you don't know what I mean, good.'

Colm says, 'oh, someone told me, i didn't check that thingy...'

Kaige says, 'they did.'

Colm says, 'so, what did i learn today...'

Lorenzo says, 'that's the worst, when you get legenddb by proxy'

Colm says, '"Never trust people."'

Colm says, '"Or you'll end up looking stupid."'

Kaige says, 'but as for the other one... I dunno. I don't know why he was picked as a teacher'

Hawkye says to Colm, 'That's about what it amounts to sometimes.'

Kaige says, 'you'll probably see others added with time.'

Colm nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'what's wrong with hard mobs being teachers? Just that they're a draw for xp'ing?'

Lorenzo says, '"trust me, I know wha I'm doing" ... ... "ok, I found my notes"'

Colm laughs.

Kaige says, 'the first ones are usually who has time to put one in and what they think of off the top of their head'

Colm says, 'well on the topic of xping draws, the ritter quest is almost impossible to do, everyone's always dead...'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'well, the fact that they listed a nasty level 50 agg mob as a teacher is just WRONG in my book. I'm mean.. but not even THAT mean'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'It's kinda funny. Maybe someone is seeding it with fake info'

Kaige says, 'yeah, but still wrong'

Kaige says, 'they unintentionally put in enough misinformation'

Kaige says, 'anyway...'

LadyAce says to Colm, 'I think some of the Klein changes I'm making will address that. I don't think it'll change mobs into being unkillable, but certainly harder in some cases'

Lorenzo says, 'if barney did teach suckerpunch, I'd learn it from him every time'

Lorenzo nods to himself.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce points at Hawkye.

Colm says, 'well, don't make them invincible, lotta people would be angry at that...'

Lorenzo says, 'brand loyalty, if you will'

Learning Iron Will Skills?

Hawkye says, 'This has probably been asked a lot before, but...'

Kaige picks up a MaGiC EiGhTbAlL and shakes it vigorously.

Kaige peers into her magic ball and declares, 'As I see it, yes.'

Hawkye says, 'Are there any plans to make courage, etc. learnable for ritters?'

Kaige says, 'hey! it was right!'

Hawkye nods his agreement with Kaige.

Colm says, 'oh because of the teachers... riiiight...'

LadyAce says, 'I think there's only one skill that's hard to get to for ritters, and that should change, yes.'

Kaige says, 'yes, But I'm not sure who or where that will be'

Kaige says, 'who as in which builder will do it'

LadyAce says, 'there are multiple teachers for all but 1 of them, so you might want to explore a bit more'

Kaige says, 'and yeah. I think there's only one that's not doubled right now'

Hawkye says, 'because it's irritating, I wouldn't have done the quest if I knew it would have interfered so much.'

LadyAce says, 'I'd call it a temporary thing, really.'

Hawkye says, 'Exploring is a touchy subject for me, but that's a personal problem.'

Kaige says, 'actually.. I might go ahead and throw that in for tomorrow.. shouldn't take too long.'

LadyAce says, 'it'll be addressed, for sure'

Colm says, 'deathtraps love me!'

Hawkye sighs loudly.

Hawkye nods his agreement with Colm.

Kaige says, 'exits should be your friend too then.'

Kaige smiles happily.

Colm says, 'They are, ever since i learned them.'

Colm says, 'but sometimes pretyping is a deadlier foe than all'

Hawkye says, 'Every time I explore, no matter how careful I am with the exit command I ALWAYS find a way to lose all my equipment.'

Colm glares at nothing in particular.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige comforts Hawkye.

Hawkye says, 'look at me now. Exibit A.'

Hawkye glares at nothing in particular.

Colm says, 'I get SLAUGHTERED BY NATIVES! alot'

Kaige says, 'they're a pesky bunch.. don't like strangers much'

Colm comforts Hawkye.

Colm says, 'there should be a way around that DT, like, special headdress or something...'

Slay Rooms vs Deathtraps?

Hawkye says, 'Shouldn't slay rooms have some kind of warning? I don't even see a help file for them, and I ended up dying to a room that looked perfectly normal on exits.'

Kaige says, 'which one?'

LadyAce says, 'generally we try to have warnings in the room descs outside or the room title'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Chocorua says, 'sometimes you need to read the rooms around them'

Chocorua says, 'pays to explore slowly the first few times through an area'

Kaige says, 'and often in the exits to those rooms too..'

Colm says, 'but if your on compact room display then your in trouble.'

Kaige says, 'so looking in the direction will also give you info'

Hawkye says, 'Yes, but there was no help file, so I didn't even know those things existed.'

LadyAce says, 'sure, if you close your eyes to the detail of the world...you might miss something :)'

Hawkye glares at nothing in particular.

Colm comforts Hawkye.

Kaige says, 'help slay room points to help dt.'

Hawkye says, 'Yup.'

Colm says to LadyAce, 'Ignorance is bliss ;)'

Hawkye says, 'And help DT talks about DTs, not slay rooms.'

Kaige says, 'which is basically what a slay room is, except you get a chance of getting your gear back...'

Kaige says, 'so.. which one did you hit that didn't have good warnings around it?'

Hawkye says, 'said help file talks about such rooms being in ALL CAPS, which slay rooms are NOT.'

Hawkye says, 'There's always an excuse...'

Hawkye sighs loudly.

Colm says to Hawkye, 'which room?'

LadyAce says, 'aggressive mobs can be much the same thing, really -- an immediate death, not necessarily much to be done about it.'

Chocorua says to Hawkye, 'did you want help fixing the problem or just to complain?'

Kaige says, 'no I'm asking which one so I can look at it.. and also thinking about how to add that to the helpfile there.'

Chocorua says to Hawkye, 'cuz if there are places without warnings we need to know'

Hawkye says, 'I don't remember what it was called exactly, it was late...the one in/near Nazca'

Kaige says, 'did you fall off a narrow rock bridge?'

Hawkye says, 'Yes.'

Kaige says to Hawkye, 'ok now I can look at those rooms and see about improving the warnings there.. but umm.. there's ways to avoid getting killed there.'

Lorenzo says, 'it would be useful for the help to say something about some apparent deathtraps being slay rooms, so people know there's a chance of getting things back. i lost a few inventories just from not knowing I could get it back'

Lorenzo says, 'that is, not thinking it was ever possible'

Hawkye says to Kaige, 'I did eventually get it back, I just thought I'd bring it up.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Hawkye.

Hawkye says to Kaige, 'And then we crashed and I was overrent. Heh.'

Hawkye shrugs helplessly.

Hawkye says, 'What can you do? The MUD hates me.'

Hawkye shrugs philosophically.

What about Deathloyal Eq?

Trepteri says, 'any thoughts on deathloyal eq?'

Kaige says to Trepteri, 'beyond lights and boats?'

Trepteri nods solemnly.

Trepteri says, 'as special token-esque items'

Chocorua says, 'kinda like "soul bound" equipment?'

Trepteri nods solemnly.

Chocorua shudders.

Trepteri says, 'or, that such a property can be added to eq with enough tokens'

Colm says, 'if a string is strung to a timed item, will the string pop with the item?'

LadyAce says, 'no, the string is saved'

Colm nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Colm, 'you should end up with a storage string with it on it'

Chocorua says, 'unfortunately the string is saved'

Colm says, 'I had to make a 'save-after-every-kill' trigger just so i don't lose all the xp i gained without saving.'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we have any intention of adding that property to eq, i.e. that it sticks with you when you die.'

Chocorua says, 'yeah i'd probably fight against that hehe ...'

Chocorua says, 'we have taken enough of the difficulty out'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'but you should! an "ubercurse" for timed items, can't ever get rid of it!'

Lorenzo says, 'until it times out'

Colm says, 'you could overrent too easily.'

Colm says, 'cursed items are bad.'

Lorenzo says, 'already can, with a cursed item. they're great!'

Lorenzo wears his sinister laugh face.

Chocorua says, 'there are dangers in the world'

Chocorua thinks the mobs should come and complain about all teh cool things players get to do to them!

Chocorua ducks to the ground.

Lorenzo snickers at Chocorua nastily.

LadyAce says, 'we should wrap up :) thanks for comin all'

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Chocorua waves happily.

Kaige waves happily.

LadyAce waves happily.

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o "accept pke" should let you accept all PKE chars

This will only be supported by having the character becoming PKE enabled. If you want to fight all the PKE characters, go for it!

o When retrieving items from my corpse, 'wear all' NEVER results in me wielding my weapon. If this is intentional, it's unnecessarily aggravating and cruel.

It's because you are carrying multiple items you can hold in your inventory. When your corpse is made, the code goes through a set pattern when it moves your items from your body to the corpse. This list gets reversed when you get everything from your corpse. To get around this you can carry less held items in your inventory or be sure to get and equip your weapon first.

o Okay, if I'm going to waste a practice on shipbuilding, the boat should be permanent. It's totally unfair to have them fall apart on me after I wasted a prac so I could build them.

Perhaps you just need better building materials?

o Contained within the corpse of a mouse dun foal: is that right?

Mouse Dun: a mouse gray or silver coat color with dark around the muzzle and eyes, the dorsal stripe is black, mane and tail are typically black.

o Any reason you took out the keyword gate from the gate guards in thebes? Its really annoying.

With the number of atmospheric changes happening in the area, at some point there will be an extended description for the actual gate. Having that keyword on the guards would make it nearly impossible to look at the actual gate itself. You might want to try using a '_', it works as a nice substitute for a space.

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