April 24th, 2003

Create Changes Too Much?

Angel-Eyes says, 'i am a create and i have lost a lot of my power ... but i understand and wont complain too much :P'

Angel-Eyes says, 'i have lost inspire a shooting charmie and i have a timer on my angel...'

Huginn nods his agreement with Angel-Eyes.

Angel-Eyes says, 'if it turns out that this is too much degrading can certain things be turned back ??'

LadyAce says, 'code can always be changed, sure'

LadyAce says, 'once we start a round of balance changes, there are often a series of tweaks that come afterwards'

Angel-Eyes says, 'i know creates udes to be too strong and that these things are even a middle compromise but i surely hope there is room indeeed'

LadyAce says, 'you might find that a few adjustments with your character make the changes less of a problem, too'

Angel-Eyes says, 'well i know i should take care of my angel, but sometimes in the heat off battle....'

LadyAce says, 'the best way to deal with changes is to roll along trying things and avoiding over-committing yourself to one strategy or response'

Kaige says, 'opt for something else as a backup in those situations too'

LadyAce says, 'once you get used to the changes, you might find that they don't detract from your abilities as much as they seem to right now'

Angel-Eyes says, 'ok i will allways try to make way with the thing there are avaliable, but just wanted to know if codes can be revirsed'

LadyAce says, 'but we'll definitely appreciate your feedback on this and everything else, as time goes by'

LadyAce smiles at Angel-Eyes.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Angel-Eyes.

Angel-Eyes smiles at LadyAce.

Summon Lag when Charm Leaves?

Myrella says, 'as I post on the disc board can we have summoning lag removed when my angel leaves? It really dumb that I must suffer for it from something I cannnot control'

Kaige pokes Huginn in the ribs.

Myrella bats her eyelashes at Huginn.

Kaige says, 'I'm not sure about the structure behind the timer and how it gets applied and such.'

Kaige says, 'so he's stuck ansering that one.'

Myrella chuckles politely.

Myrella nods solemnly.

Huginn says, 'no, can't do it... it's any time the angel/titan/demon/etc goes away'

Huginn says, 'that includes ditches, renting, etc'

Myrella says, 'why not just base on the summoning dying then? Its silly that even after take care of it i still have to wait'

Myrella says, 'hmm then ditching, bleah'

Huginn says, 'because you can ditch right before the angel dies?'

Myrella says, 'then why have it in at all?'

Myrella shrugs philosophically.

Myrella says, 'ah well'

Kaige says, 'ok look at it this way...'

Kaige says, 'the timer is a limit that is incurred once the charm dies or returns to its natural realm. You can only open the gateway between realms a set period from then.'

Myrella nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'you have to recharge your gate opening powers or whatever'

Myrella chuckles politely.

Myrella says, 'ok cant be fixed then, sucks but oh well'

Kaige says, 'and the longer you have to support the charm on this side of the gate... the longer they take to recharge -- so'

Kaige comforts Myrella.

Myrella chuckles politely.

Kaige has been told on occasion she could rationalize almost anything.

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Myrella chuckles politely.

Huginn cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Myrella congratulates Kaige on a job well done.

Myrella giggles.

Dow says, 'hmm, seems odd to be rationalization on cases of total control'

Dow ponders his own existence - better keep an eye on him.

Myrella chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'it still takes from the time they die to open it again.'

LadyAce smiles at Kaige.

LadyAce says to Myrella, 'that cover your question?'

Ruby says, 'Blah creates kill all the mobs anyway. I can't tell you how hard it is for me to go out and find some good xp. Even when I look for new mobs that i think noone knows about'

Myrella says, 'well if they were all permanent I wouldn't complain about it'

Myrella giggles.

LadyAce giggles at Myrella.

Myrella says to LadyAce, 'yes thats fine'

LadyAce smiles at Myrella.

Kheldar says, 'well, we could code the fight acts to target players that have create words as deadly targets ;p'

Kheldar says, 'That unfortunately would be very hard to balance and create a lot of work.'

Steal: PK vs Augmenters

Ruby says, 'ok I have a two part question.'

Ruby says, 'Part one involves recent changes that affect the steal skill. Being that steal is at least half based on perc (proly more not sure on exact code) would we just consider it a high perc skill for this discussion.'

Ruby says, 'Lets face it. High perc chars are in a bind right now. I like to say they are getting kicked while already down. Some of you may or may not agree but thats just how I see it.'

Ruby says, 'some recent changes to steal it kicks them even more.'

Ruby says, 'I'm worried about pk as you can all proly guess. With the changes to augment and balm Perc chars lose something VERY valuable rather it was ment to happen this way or not.'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'I agree... steal sucks.'

LadyAce says, 'what's the loss on balm/augment? not being able to steal them from people?'

Huginn nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Myrella nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'not being able to hand them off too'

Ruby nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'I died the other day when i relized i couldn't steal an augmenters poultices anymore'

Myrella says, 'not being able to hand them off is dumb because its a pk change which bites the rest of us on the butt'

Myrella grumbles.

Ruby says, 'that just hurt right here.'

Ruby puts his hand over his heart

LadyAce says, 'well, perc people aren't specially hurt by the non-give'ness, I don't think...?'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'totally wrong'

Kaige says, 'you can't steal no_give/no_drop items'

Kaige fixed that a while ago.

Ruby says to Kaige, 'ya should change that back :P'

Kaige says, 'umm... no.'

LadyAce says, 'right, what I mean is, it's the no-steal-ness that's the problem, not no-give-ness specifically.'

Ruby says, 'anyway I supose there is no easy fix for this. I guess I'll just chalk up another sniper lose dude to pkok :P'

LadyAce says, 'sure they're linked now, but it's the stealing they were doing before, not the giving'

Dow says, 'I don't see why making augments stealable, but non-usable without the knowledge would be a problem'

Dow says, 'if you don't have the skill, you can't use em'

Dow shrugs philosophically.

Korgan flops about helplessly.

Kaige says, 'if you don't have the bandage skill, you can't use them now'

Angel-Eyes waves happily.

Myrella says, 'who wouldn't learn bandage?'

Myrella chuckles politely.

Ruby says, 'come on folks. give me something here please?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Myrella.

Ruby sighs loudly.

Dow says, 'If I was a druid with high perc I could steal a gun, doesn't mean I can use it'

Dow smiles happily.

Ruby says, 'Basicly I have one question'

Ruby says, 'What the hell do you want steal to do?'

Ruby says, 'shipbuilding is more powerfull right now'

Lorenzo hides Huginn's link.

Dow smiles at Ruby.

Craven says, 'stop stealing my questions before I can log on ruby'

Craven slaps Ruby.

Rush tickles Craven.

Dow whispers quietly to Ruby.

Kaige says to Ruby, 'well, losing the ability to steal from fighting people as of friday is going to change that tactic how, if you could magically steal them again?'

Craven says, 'who cares about that'

Craven says, 'stealing from a fighting person is retarded'

Ruby says, 'sure you can'

Ruby says, 'run in the room and steal before they attack'

Myrella nods solemnly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Ruby.

Kaige says, 'ok. just making sure it's tied to one thing only.'

Ruby says, 'whats a poor thief to do'

Ruby bursts into tears.

Craven says, 'never steal'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'honestly I don't have an answer for you off the top of my head except that steal needs looked at from several angles'

Craven says, 'most people steal for profit'

Craven says, 'in this game you steal for....wasting your rent'

Huginn comforts Ruby.

Ruby says, 'well can i at lest get steal reimbursed?'

Shivan chuckles politely.

Ruby ducks to the ground.

Craven says, 'in reality steal should just be removed, but I wouldn't bet on it :)'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'I meant on our short list it needs looked at'

Craven says, 'you could still steal for um..rp reasons or something'

Zane says, 'It is kind of useless...'

Myrella chuckles politely.

Shivan says, 'steal is stil useful as a malicious tool'

Shivan shrugs helplessly.

Zane says, 'If I recall, you can steal from pkilled corpses, but you can't really use any of it, it's still owned by the dead person.'

Craven says, 'not really'

Craven says, 'once you steal something, you can't do anything with it'

Shivan says, 'except drop it'

Lorenzo says, 'you can still steal just to be a jerk... although some of us don't need special skills for that'

Zane says, 'So steal is essentially useless.'

Craven says, 'the only possibly thing you could do is wear it and try to junk it'

Craven says, 'no, you can't drop it'

Shivan says, 'yes you can'

Craven says, 'you can't do anything'

Huginn says, 'you can't junk it'

Ruby says, 'well I guess I'll go apply to become a Knight of legend.. no since thiefing anymore'

Shivan says, 'or you could a couple weeks ago'

Craven says, 'I could have sworn the last time I tried to drop a stolen item it told me to f off'

Craven says, 'maybe not'

Huginn says, 'you should be able to drop it, just not pick it up'

Craven says, 'soon I'm sure dropping will be removed from steal :P'

Shivan says, 'i dropped uhm someones dagger somewhere remote a few weeks ago :P'

Huginn frowns at Shivan.

Craven says, 'stealing is funny'

Shivan smiles at Huginn.

Craven says, 'stealing shouldn't be treated like its a crime'

Shivan says, 'i gave it back after a bit'

Craven glares icily at Huginn.

Craven says, 'thieves can't fight, they need to steal :P'

Can PKE Clans go UnPKE?

Talia says, 'ok! actually now i have 2 questions'

Talia says, 'if a clan goes pke, when it goes, in how does it unpke? or does that not happen, just has to disband then perhaps reform, or something'

Kaige says, 'the latter'

Kaige says, 'clans can ONLY go from rp to pk'

Craven says, 'pke is supposed to be a commitment'

Craven says, 'I'd hope its harder to get out then disbanding and remaking'

Shivan says, 'the characters would still be pke.'

Kaige says to Craven, 'they're still PKE but as individuals... only the clan and all that goes with it goes poof, plus any money they've sunk into the clan account'

Shivan says, 'just the clan wouldn't'

Kaige says to Craven, 'the ONLY ways to get out of PKE are redeem and perma'

Craven says, 'I understand that Kaige'

Craven says, 'but seems like clans should be pke forever :P'

Craven says, 'no getting out, even remaking!'

Spirit Bonuses? Iron Will?

Talia says, 'is there any reward to getting greater than 5 spi? or is it just yay i dont lose 20% dam roll'

Kaige says to Huginn, 'currently, that's all there is right?'

Talia says, 'cause previously the whole iron something thing was supposed to be you get something better for haveing it, but lose stuff if you dont, or thats what i got out of the qa log from it'

Huginn says, 'actually I finished iron will today'

Huginn says, 'want to chat about it?'

LadyAce says, 'the stuff from the log is still in progress.'

Talia says, 'iron will? i'd love to hear about it'

Talia nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Myrella chuckles politely.

Talia says, 'iron will iron will!'

Zane says, 'I don't know what iron will is. o.o'

Myrella says to Talia, 'iron will what?'

Talia says to Zane, 'i dont either'

Myrella giggles.

Talia says to Zane, 'hehe'

Talia says to Myrella, 'i wanna hear about it!'

Shivan says, 'iron will is scary :P'

Craven says, 'unless iron will resists fire, I don't care :P'

Myrella says, 'iron will just means your fighters have to do the spirit quest now'

Huginn says, 'there are three skills..'

Huginn says, 'courage, valor and iron will'

Huginn says, 'they require high (for a fighter) spirit reqs which determine when they go off'

Huginn says, 'having high str will allow you to do more damage per weapon strike, assuming activation'

Huginn says, 'high dex == more chance to tumble'

Craven says, 'thats it for dex?'

Huginn says, 'high con == reduction in loonng stuns'

Craven shudders.

Talia says, 'oooh i like that'

Craven says, 'the strength one sounds nice'

Korgan says, 'nice, since i got high all 3'

Ruby says, 'are there any limits on who can learn it? ie hometown or other skills learned?'

Craven says, 'other two seem mediocre'

Talia says, 'how high is high spi exactly?'

Huginn says, 'also for con, chance to heal alot faster when sleeping/resting'

LadyAce doesn't remember, if you have high of 2 things -- get all the effects?

Craven says to Korgan, 'I think you can only have 1.'

Huginn nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Craven says, 'guess not'

Korgan hangs his head.

Korgan says, 'long as 15 spi is high im good'

Huginn says, 'I'll let you figure out how high'

Craven says, 'don't bet on it'

Talia says, 'no 5! shoot for 5!'

Talia says, 'darnit'

Shivan says, 'so my 100/100 figher would get all 3?'

Craven says, 'its based on spirit shivan'

Myrella says, '1 spirit should be high :p'

Huginn says, 'you'll have to figure out which you need'

Korgan snickers softly.

Talia bursts into tears.

Huginn says, 'not going to give that out'

Talia says, 'this might screw my fighter over'

Talia giggles.

Huginn tickles Talia.

Myrella says to Talia, 'its give and take, same as anything else '

Talia says to Myrella, 'give my ability to fight, and take... spirit'

Talia nods her agreement with Myrella.

Talia ducks to the ground.

Myrella says to Talia, 'exactly'

Craven says, 'in your opinion Huginn, do you POSSIBLY think that 30 spirit and this skill is comparable with 5 spirit and not?'

Craven says, '25 stat points is a lot for a skill to compesate for'

Huginn nods his agreement with Craven.

Huginn says to Craven, 'for a full fighter, yes'

Myrella giggles.

Craven says, 'I don't see it, but maybe'

Craven says, 'the strength one is nice, and healing is nice as well'

Talia says, 'i should just go for lotsa spirit and become a druid'

Craven says, 'but not that much stuff is tumbleable, especially in mobkill'

Talia nods to herself.

Craven says, 'so I don't see the dex one being all that useful'

Huginn says, 'headbutt/bash'

Shivan says, 'well if its like a +damage in the area of another rage, thats scary :P'

Talia says, 'hey tumble is very useful'

Huginn says, 'still are common'

Craven says, 'I didn't say tumble wasn't useful'

Shivan says, 'tumble certainly doesn't compare to damage...heh'

Craven says, 'I'm saying the strength and con bonus's will help in 95% of all situations'

Craven says, 'the dex one most certainly won't'

Craven says, 'the con fight bonus sucks, but the healing is very nice'

Huginn says, 'well con will help in healing but less in combat'

Huginn nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'but healing will work'

Craven says, 'that makes up for it'

Craven says, 'dex only gets tumble...I don't see that as all that fair, but what do I know'

Neville says, 'When will we expect this to go in?'

Huginn says, 'well tumbling someone's specials does make a huge difference'

Huginn says, 'well I'll commit it when I'm back on land'

Craven says, 'my point is the majority of mobs don't do tumbleable skills'

Shivan says, 'perhaps up there dodge ability too?'

Huginn says, 'the link here is bad'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'how many fights do you honestly tumble?'

Neville nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'how many fights do you do damage? :P'

Craven says, 'how many fights do you have to heal after? :P'

Shivan says, 'fighter vs sniper is decided by tmble'

X'z says, 'hes talking mobkill'

Craven says, 'this isn't only pk'

Huginn laughs at Craven.

Craven says, 'its mobkill as well'

Craven gasps in astonishment.

Craven says, 'can you believe it, I'm thinking about MOBKILL'

Talia comforts Craven.

Huginn says, 'weird'

Myrella giggles at Craven.

Shivan says, 'oh i've never seen much of a point of tumbling in mobkill :P'

Craven says, 'exactly my point'

Huginn says, 'anything else about those skills?'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Myrella says, 'get bashed by guards a few times, tumble helps'

Craven says, 'You'll see more 100 str/con with spirit fighters'

Myrella nods to herself.

Huginn says, 'if its too wussy we'll take about look'

Huginn says, 'but that's what we'd like to try for now'

Korgan says, 'how bout up the parry bonus too?'

Shivan says, 'nah not parry, dodge :P'

Craven says, 'and if the bonus's are anything like "klien bonsus's" you're going to get laughed at :P'

Huginn says, 'as I said, I'd like to try this for now..'

Korgan hangs his head.

Korgan says to Craven, 'hey im from klien'

Huginn says, 'I don't want to make fighters completely unhittable :-)'

Craven says, 'so am I'

Craven says, 'I started this character with a monumental mistake'

Shivan says, 'hehe'

Shivan says, 'using spam eq? :P'

Talia says, 'my hitter isnt even from klien'

Craven says, 'starting in klien'

Talia says, 'shes all messed up'

Huginn says to LadyAce, 'who is next?'

Craven says, 'where headbutts do 3 more damage :P'

Craven cheers for himself since no one else has.

Shivan says, 'will we be able to tell when it goes off?'

Huginn nods his agreement with Shivan.

Shivan says, 'good :)'

Talia says, 'is it a skill? like use practices for it?'

Talia says, 'or will it just be activated or not'

Huginn nods his agreement with Talia.

Huginn says, 'skill'

Myrella says, 'skills I'd bet'

Talia says, 'erf oky'

Shivan says, 'i imagine it works like tumble'

Korgan says, 'glad i still got 5 pracs left'

Myrella peers at herself myopically.

Korgan throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Myrella smiles happily.

Idle Char Purges?

Ruby says, 'could we please not forget to purge chars this month?'

Kaige says, 'I don't think we've been "forgetting" to do it, Ruby. After the disaster after we turned it back on last fall, I'm not sure we've gotten the kinks out of it to do it again.'

Craven says to Kaige, 'last person we asked said it kinda got forgot about'

Ruby says to Kaige, 'well I have been waiting for a lvl 1 Mute to get purged for along time so i can get my lvl 50 back'

Craven says to Kaige, 'but I don't remember who it was'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ruby.

Kaige says to Ruby, 'wanna drop a note to Ea about it?'

Ruby says, 'already got notes floating around to 3 imms'

Ruby says, 'just not ea!'

Kaige says, 'well since ea's the head coder and the one who did the scripts, then he'd be the one who'd be the one to handle it'

Ruby nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ruby says, 'ok well I guess thats it for tonight then?'

Zane salutes Kaige briskly. Why don't people obey YOU like that?

Ruby says, 'well time for me to go not steal anything'

Ruby grumbles.

Ruby waves happily.

Kaige smiles at Rusalka.

Rusalka smiles at Kaige.

Rusalka chuckles politely.

LadyAce thinks we are done, done.

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Rusalka waves happily.

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o When a man does the witch quest, make his post-title warlock, witches were usually precieved to be women.

Sandra says that for 17th Century Salem, witch is appropriate for males or females.

o If gunplay means to not only shoot guns but to clean and care and look after them, why do they explode on you? I mean if I look after a gun RL I can shoot it for donkeys years without it exploding. And they shouldn't jam so much, either.

There is no timer that gets reset to determine when the gun might explode or jam. Currently they are just a fixed chance. Some guns are more prone to exploding or jamming than others.

o I have no idea if this is possible, but if we're going to have so many mobs commenting on bathing or the lack thereof, then the bathtubs sold in game should actually _work_ - i.e set a 'smells_like_a_rose' flag or somesuch when you sit in them.

We're no where near ready for object acts of any kind which something like that would require. However, there are many places throughout the game where you can get a bath.

o I have retreat show in my allskill even though I know chant and the helpfile says that qualifies me not to be able to learn that.

Correct. It shows up there because we currently don't have a mechanism for the code to check if you know/don't know another skill to make sure you meet all the requiremnts. Likewise, alignment requirements aren't reflected in the allskills list either. The mob that you learn it from is always going to be the final authority.

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