April 17th, 2003

Why's Remaking My Name Illegal?

Shivan says, 'ok. is it normal practice for names to be illegal after they perma? :P'

Sandra says, 'it depends on the name and why it's illegal'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes it can take a while for the delete to go through'

LadyAce says, 'but sometimes it can be due to a change in rules'

Sandra says, 'or a mob being added'

LadyAce says, 'or a mob made since you made your char'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'depends on the case!'

Shivan says, 'well there's no mob'

Shivan says, 'at any rate, it was rather annoying as i could not remake.'

Sandra says, 'tell the name to me'

Sandra says, 'will find out'

Shivan thanks Sandra heartily.

Shivan says, 'uhm i guess thats it, i just find that half the time i want to make a char and the name is illegal heh'

Kaige says, 'looks like someone already remade it'

Shivan says, 'it was illegal yesterday'

Shivan says, 'i tried to remake it'

LadyAce says, 'it really depends, make a list or somethin and we'll try to figure them out, if they're important'

Kaige says, 'it doesn't say it's illegal when I try to make a char with it.. but "That character already exists. Please choose a new name."'

LadyAce says, 'it says illegal when I do it'

LadyAce says, 'maybe we're bumping into each other'

Rusalka slowly fades into existence.

LadyAce says, 'who else has a question?'

Shivan says, 'what happens if you disconnect during char creation?'

Shivan says, 'err oops :P'

Ruby says to Shivan, 'go on'

LadyAce says, 'it can get sorta stuck'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes we have to go in and fix it if that happens'

Shivan nods solemnly.

Shivan says, 'k'

LadyAce points at Ruby.

Kaige says, 'weird. no pfile at all there with that name'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

PKE Discussion

Ruby says, 'PKE.... waits for people to boo....'

Sliver cheers wildly!

Sandra says, 'it's still in discussion. But it's moving along'

Ruby says, 'any more info you can give us? anything desided yet?'

Kaige says, 'nope, that's why it's still in discussion'

Kaige says, 'other than what is already out there'

Kaige giggles.

Ruby says, 'number of pke chars per player?'

Kaige says, 'one'

Ruby nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'heavens, it'd be chaos if we did more than 1 :)'

Sandra says, 'it will be like old pke if it does go in'

Sandra says, 'same rules'

Sliver says, 'can me jus say me tink pke good good tinken'

Ruby says, 'good'

Sandra says, 'with the added ability to also be pkok'

Ruby says, 'while I love pk'n with all my chars... it's nice to have the old one char standby'

Sandra says, 'I'm hoping that we'll be able to give more definate answers next week. But that depends on the discussion'

Shivan says, 'how to remove pke?'

Sandra says, 'redeem or perma'

Shivan says, '1?'

Ruby says, 'good thing I went and got a few redeem points :P'

Sandra says, '1 redeem point?'

LadyAce says, 'so you can't go into it unless you're really sure you're ready'

Shivan says, 'yeah'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sandra.

Sandra nods her agreement with Shivan.

Shivan says, 'any level requirement, like old pk?'

Ruby says, 'I see one problem with that'

Shivan says, 'ie none above 35 =D'

Sandra says, 'there will be, yes'

Ruby says, 'if it takes xp or perma to get out of it'

Ruby says, 'then you have the whining from people trying to get out and getting pked like old days'

Sandra says, 'but don't worry, we would wave that for a month or two so that people can enable'

Shivan nods solemnly.

Sandra says to Ruby, 'they'll be told flat out that those are the ways to get out of it, no exceptions. And if they don't like it, stay pkok'

Ruby cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'the nice thing is that we have an option for folks to use pk without going full pke, so we're hoping we'll be able to deflect that kind of trouble'

Sandra says, 'one thing I should make really clear'

Sandra says, 'if this DOES go in'

Sandra says, 'there are still staff membres that do not like it'

Sandra says, 'and we won't piss around with it'

Kaige says, 'it's a simple one line command to yank it at any time.'

Sandra says, 'ie: if you go to an admin immort for something stupid, you can expect to be told 'tough crap''

Ruby says to Sandra, 'as it should be'

Ruby says, 'I still don't understand why some people don't like the idea'

Ruby says, 'could anyone enlighten me as to their line of thinking on it?'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'Several people are worried about the rift it's going to recreate between the pk and RP communities for one... not to mention all the reasons it was pulled in the first place'

LadyAce says, 'pke people can cause a lot of trouble for other folks.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra says, 'ify ou come to me for something stupid,y ou can probably expect alot worse ;)'

Ruby says, 'I don't understand this wall between pk and rp'

LadyAce says, 'jumping a big run in such a way that people die, for example, really makes the non pk people upset'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'sometimes pk people try to solve every rp problem with death :P'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'I don't either, but people out there like Sana don't help eliminate it'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'that still happens with pkok though'

Sliver says, 'yeah, it does, but its also funny in some ways'

Firefly nods her agreement with Kaige.

Riley says to LadyAce, 'For some reason I feel a magnet pull towards you, madam.'

Riley winks suggestively at LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'there's more choice in the matter, with pke'

Sandra says, 'what we want to see, seriously is respect for each other. You may not all like each other, but a little respect doesn't hurt'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sandra.

Kaige says, 'more often it's when they resort to OOC insults that bothers me more'

Riley cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

LadyAce says, 'absolutely. Respect is going to be key -- and willingness to listen, rather than discard, other people's points of view'

Ruby says, 'but if you do go pke... you have to understand that..'

Sandra says, 'Expect to be judged, coz the pke community will be ;)'

Ruby says, 'well crap could hit the fan'

Sandra says, 'yea, it could. And we wouldn't expect everyone to be absolutely perfect. But the crap hitting the fan best be the rare exception'

LadyAce says, 'I think there's no question that it'll mean trouble. It's a matter of how much, and how often'

Sandra says, 'if it'd be the norm, that's the fastest way to get it pulled again, if it does go in'

Ruby says, 'but whats your veiw on multi/loot? it IS going to happen just like it does with pkok'

Sliver says, 'personally, its gotta be a wait and see thing, who knows how people will really react'

Sandra says, 'oh Im sure it will. It's part of pk'

LadyAce says, 'multi and loot are legal.'

Sandra says, 'but I expect the people to handle it in game'

Sandra says, 'and not come whining to us'

Ruby says, 'can i give a for instance?'

Shivan says, 'hopefully that will be regulated by the community'

Archaon says, 'you gonna make it so we can do something with the loot?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Shivan.

Archaon says, 'atm there no point in looting'

Ruby nods his agreement with Archaon.

Archaon says, 'cant use strings, cant use eq, cant sell eq'

Sandra says, 'I don't think that the code that's currently in for that will be changed'

Riley says, 'I've found by being an AA player that doesn't PK, that there is a sliver of respect in even the cruelest PKer.'

Sandra says, 'I think you can use it tho?'

LadyAce says, 'it's a powerful incentive to self-regulation -- if people are a black eye on the face of the community, kick them out :P'

Shivan says, 'you can deny people there eq :P'

Kaige says, 'they can't use it... that's a big plus'

Archaon says, 'not when you are wanting to loot'

Archaon ducks to the ground.

Riley lurks around LadyAce ominously!

Riley waves happily.

Sandra says, 'I know you can't junk or sell it, but i think you can wear it?'

Shivan says, 'as far as i know..'

Archaon says, 'but does it really matter if they can or can't use it? if they've stolen the item you cant use it'

Sandra says, 'you could do what Kiera used to do'

LadyAce says, 'the idea isn't to make other people into your shopping malls :P'

Sandra says, 'sell it back for a ton of cash ;)'

Shivan says, 'yo ucan also drop it in interesting places :P'

Archaon says, 'and if they string your string, well steal it back and string it to your stuff'

Ruby says to Shivan, 'thats my fav thing to do'

Shivan says, 'also dont see why i couldn't fade it after i stole it?'

Sandra says, 'oh forgot about that. Ikeep forgetting all the changes we've done ;P'

Sandra says, 'well'

Sandra says, 'lemme say this'

Ruby says, 'Loot isn't the real problem with pke anyway.. it's the people that wont live and let live... ie people like I USED (pasttence) to be'

Sandra says, 'if it does go in, there will be at least 1 code change for it, but none of this stuff is part of that'

Archaon says, 'this thing finished? new topic?'

Archaon peers around intently.

Shivan says, 'hmm i have another question :P'

Ruby says, 'if you fight anouther person thats pke does it reset your pkok timer?'

Sandra says, 'probably. But I dont know the specifics on that'

Sliver says, 'there acctually intertwinable?'

Sandra says, 'yes'

Sliver says, 'nice'

Sandra says, 'the code change'

Sandra says, 'will be this:'

Sandra says, 'a new command for pk clan gms'

Sliver says, 'so an aa pkok is like a pke except you can turn it off if you want to'

Shivan says to Sliver, 'not quite.'

Sandra says, 'that sets a timer on the members, including the gm, for pk. From 1 week to 8 weeks. If you don't pk in that time frame, you get the boot from your clan'

Kaige says, 'not quite, the AAPKOK will probably have a larger pool of people who can attack him'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra says, 'you can, however'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'Finaly.. thank god that code change is going in'

Sandra says, 'be both pke and pkokAA'

Shivan says, 'being AA pkok and PKE would be uhm..foolish :P'

Shivan says, 'inviting for trouble'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'yes, but it's possible to do'

Ruby says to Shivan, 'I plan on it'

Shivan says to Ruby, 'and i said, it would invite trouble'

Ruby says, 'the more people to fight the better'

Spanish-Flea chuckles politely.

Sliver says, 'well my aa fighters, whoever I choose to be pke if it goes in will probably remain aa'

Shivan says to Ruby, 'so when you get jumped by pkok people who help a PKE you were fighting then the pkok reject you, your cool with that?'

Sandra says, 'it's my hope that the pke community will pick up and have a decent number participating that it won't require one to be both aa and pke unless they just feel like it'

Ruby says, 'one last thing... will pke people have a astric or something like pkok?'

Kaige says, 'no'

Sandra says, 'nope'

Ruby says, 'good'

Ruby says, 'time to stand in the inn and try stealing from everyone that comes in.. god i loved that'

Shivan says, 'so we get to guess if people are enabled?'

Archaon says, 'so how you know who's pke or not?'

Sliver says, 'ohh, I kinda like that'

Shivan chuckles politely.

Sandra nods her agreement with Shivan.

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'you raised hand, did you have a different topic for a question?'

Firefly says to Archaon, 'same way you did in the old system'

Archaon says, 'which was?'

Kaige says to Shivan, 'pretty much how it was in them thar good ol' days... unless you knew someoen was in a specific clan'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'naw'

Firefly points at Ruby.

Archaon says, 'i never PKed in old system'

Shivan says to Kaige, 'hehe, i see'

Shivan says, 'i only did briefly'

Firefly think Ruby just told you.

Archaon says, 'i stared like umm about 6 months before PKOK went in'

What's with Twohanded Changes?

Archaon says, 'i want to know whats the deal with the 2 hand changes'

Archaon says, 'and why guns aint effected'

Kaige says, 'actually some are.. I just haven't gotten to mine yet'

Shivan says, 'that would be the builders faults :p'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'wanted to make sure I got the wielded weapons done first'

Sandra says, 'we're getting to them :)'

Archaon says, 'well i heard i think it was sandra say, on welcome board'

Archaon says, 'that bows weapons were effected'

Sliver says, 'so these changes, im a little foggy on them, are they changes for the better?'

Archaon says, 'no mention of guns'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sliver.

Sliver says, 'I heard that they now can have as much as 8 stat, unlike rounded 5 stat'

LadyAce says, 'we'll always say yes to that question :)'

Shivan says to Sliver, 'go kill uhm sandra's bow mobs and check out the bows :)'

Sandra says, '2h guns, bows, weapons'

Sliver says, 'im thinking of the warlords axe'

Sliver says, 'or kz axe'

Shivan says, 'ack'

Kaige says, 'have to try 'em and see'

Ruby says, 'so 2handed guns can have 8 stats?'

Sliver nods solemnly.

Shivan says, 'yup'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Sliver says, 'I will soon'

Ruby says, 'didn't know that'

Archaon says to Sliver, 'warlord axe has changed'

Shivan says, 'mmmmh note to self- bash in warlord later'

Sliver says, 'um, I wonder how much, its on my eq list from old days'

Sliver says, 'going to have to see real soon, may have to make adjustments'

Pkill Win Tracking??

Shivan says, 'ok well have you seen the pk tracking thing i idea'd a week or so back?'

Shivan says, 'i should have posted it on discussion i suppose but i hate posting'

Kaige says, 'how about the highlights then?'

LadyAce says, 'me personally, no, I don't think so -- if it went in since Monday, it hasn't been sorted and sent out yet'

Shivan says, 'well ok let me give a rundown'

Shivan says, 'i just brought this up on clan channel one day and ended up talking to huginn about it'

Shivan says, 'the basic premise was a system to record all your pk fights - or kill, then posted weekly in the LT and recorded over a char's career'

Spanish-Flea shudders.

Shivan says, 'would put pk in much more of a spotlight. second i like the idea of having some record of what i've done, some motivation'

Kaige says, 'sounds similar to ideas that have been turned down many times before'

Spanish-Flea says, 'ladder pk rankings, ladder anything spells trouble'

Firefly thinks you could personally keep a record of that on that pkill site?

Shivan says, 'why turned down?'

Shivan says to Firefly, 'thats a pain and requires both players to participate'

Spanish-Flea says, 'yes you can get motivated, but it's so easy to abuse'

Shivan says, 'i detailed a couple ways to curb abuses and such'

LadyAce says, 'because of the lack of definacy about when someone dies and whose fault it is, and because it can encourage killing when someone is at low hp'

Kaige says, 'because of the difficulty in tracking wins, filtering multis, giving points away to friends, and in general promoting more of a quake style mentality to pk'

Ruby says, 'we don't need code eating up more memory logging things... think of the lag in groups already...'

Ruby nods to himself.

Shivan says, 'ie after you die you have a 10tick timer where you won't be added, timer ticks down in all forms of rooms'

Shivan says to Ruby, 'this would hardly lag'

Shivan says, 'most muds have a trophy list'

Kaige says, 'and the biggest benefit of it is?'

Ruby says to Shivan, 'just like the code right now doesn't lag in runs'

Shivan says to Kaige, 'no ladder, or tree, just tracking'

Ruby chuckles to himself.

Sandra says, 'I don't like trophy lists anymore thanI like the shopping lists of pkok ;)'

Spanish-Flea says, 'the biggest benefit is people with old eq lists getting high ranks'

LadyAce says, 'some muds are different than other muds'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Shivan says, 'spanish flea thats not constructive'

Kaige points to www.pkill.org if you want to climb that ladder. =)

Spanish-Flea says, 'truth isn't always constructive'

Shivan says, 'bah'

Shivan says to Spanish-Flea, 'but your wrong'

Shivan says, 'pkill.org is useless.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'you keep thinking that'

Shivan says, 'its not a ladder'

Shivan says, 'its just tracking'

Shivan says, 'publicity'

Spanish-Flea says, 'it'll turn into ladder'

Kaige says, 'and that's different from having a number in your score how? except you get to show off to others better?'

Spanish-Flea says, 'and ladders are hard to track and open to frequent abuse that kaige mentioned'

Kaige says to Shivan, 'seems to me publicity is one of the things that many pkillers are lacking in right now..'

Sliver says, 'there are so many info hogs now, imagine pk with a ladder ranking'

Shivan says, 'didnt expect such animosity. bleh. what do you mean by a number on my score'

Shivan says, 'info's are meaningless :P'

Shivan says, 'whats the point of pk then?'

Sliver says, 'not much difference between a ranking and seeking infos'

Spanish-Flea says, 'a human opponent'

Firefly says, 'to have fun?'

Spanish-Flea says, 'that's the point'

Kaige says, 'not trying to be mean or anything.. just this has come up many times, so I have a large arsenal of reasonings behind me when I say it's been turned down before'

Sliver says, 'human opponent'

Shivan says, 'yeah i know. but'

Sliver says, 'I still get the shakes when I pk'

LadyAce smiles at Sliver.

Sliver says, 'and ive done it for years now'

LadyAce says, 'the shakes are a good thing'

Shivan says, 'heh i haven't gotten shakes for a long, long, time'

Ruby says to Sliver, 'I lost those a few years ago'

Sliver nods solemnly.

Shivan says, 'i only get those on new muds :P'

Shivan says, 'but thats a rabbit trail'

Sliver says, 'thats because there are not enough pkillers right now'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, the answer is: we're not considering that kind of change.'

Shivan says, 'i guess i'm the only one who likes some sort of tangible record of what they've done'

Kaige says to Sliver, 'no.. i'd say it was active ones'

Sliver says, 'if there where an average of 10 more real pkillers playing again, I bet the shakes would come back just a little'

Shivan says, 'nah'

Kaige says to Shivan, 'I can understand that.. it's just the one you're looking for isn't one that we see good things coming from tracking and displaying for all and sundry'

Sliver says to Shivan, 'do you even pkill anymore? :P'

Shivan says to Sliver, 'killing brewmoon twice a couple days ago. not a multi either. :P'

Sliver nods solemnly.

Shivan says to Kaige, 'ok, how about a totally private system ;)'

Spanish-Flea says, 'it'll just get posted'

Shivan says, 'so whats wrong with ego's darnit'

Shivan grumbles.

Sliver says, 'ego's get inflated'

Spanish-Flea says, 'and the fact that it's then official will encourage the same behaviour'

LadyAce says, 'Ok, I think that's all we have to say there.'

Shivan says, 'i'll have to live with putting up logs someday i guess, yeahp :P'

Shivan waves happily.

Lag on Big Runs? Big Run Disc.

Sliver says, 'something said earlier by ruby made me want to ask, is there a known problem about lag and grouping for runs? seems everytime a group moves these days im ready to reconnect'

Sandra says, 'yes'

Sliver says, 'any way to cure or is it a deal with it thing?'

Kaige says, 'a bigger net connection'

Sliver nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'and smaller groups ;)'

Kaige says, 'it's because of all the spam is being repeated that many times through the bandwidth channel and it's a tight squeeze'

Firefly says, 'less leeches?'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'if we need smaller groups tell bart to stop with kz that place is just stpiud'

Sliver says, 'well sometimes its fun bringing in 3 to 5 oldbies and like 12 newbies into AT, watch them wet themselves'

Sandra snickers at Ruby nastily.

Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with Ruby.

Spanish-Flea says, 'how can you wet yourself in aT'

Sandra says, 'you should have seen it when it was in testing. You have the toned down version'

Sliver says, 'newbies, not me'

Spanish-Flea says, 'it's a single pathway, with two dark rooms and a tunnel'

Sandra walked in with her mort and got thumped in 1 round.

Spanish-Flea says, 'blah, two tunnels'

Spanish-Flea remembers bart and the tarasque on april fools

Spanish-Flea survived two rounds!

Sliver says, 'the walkway on the second level is a bit scary now, but not terrible'

Sandra says, 'oh it wasn't the tarasque that thumped me'

Sandra says, 'I had just entered the area ;)'

Spanish-Flea says, 'sewer crud?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Spanish-Flea chuckles politely.

Sandra went 'ow'.

Ruby says, 'I haven't ever even seen a run to that place... it's depressing'

Ruby says, 'I want someplace hard but someplace that is possible to goto every now and then'

Ruby grumbles.

Sandra says, 'it's tough, and it takes alot of thought. Which is probably why most people don't like to go there ;)'

Spanish-Flea says, 'I've seen a few, but it was all for the greaves, nobody really cared about the other stuff'

Spanish-Flea says, 'kz requires a large group, it hasn't start a rethinking yet :P'

Sandra says, 'it's definately not sl or pd'

Firefly thinks we have hard places you can go to now and then.

Sandra says, 'aaaaaaaaaanyway'

Sliver says, 'the main problem is that some things are a lot harder for the same exp then other places, lets face it, people will continue to run klien because the mobs are reasy'

Spanish-Flea says, 'we need more kleins'

Sliver says, 'thats true to'

Spanish-Flea says, 'we don't need more mega-runs'

Spanish-Flea says, 'whats bart got going for us next? a 200 strength 100% slay mob?'

Sandra says, 'well, I would rather the klein mobs be in line with the other mobs out there'

Benefits to Entrance?

Craven says, 'yea so heres the thing'

Craven says, 'I wsa bored at work today and was actually reading old lt's'

Craven says, 'I saw in a very, very, VERY old LT rufus talking about group tactics'

Craven says, 'and in that lt he said that entrancing a mob made it take more damage'

Craven says, 'is that still true?'

Kaige says, 'yeah'

Firefly says, 'ask someone who has acces to the helpfile:)'

Craven says, 'I don't trust helpfiles'

Craven says, 'I trust imms telling me'

Craven says, 'helpfiles lie :P'

Sandra says, 'yes, I do believe that the entrance thing is still there'

Sliver says, 'helpfiles are cryptic'

Craven says, 'thats cool'

Kaige says, 'only as long as people don't point out they're wrong or cryptic and they don't get updated'

Craven says, 'I learned something from a 6 year old lt'

Craven says, 'yes'

Craven says, 'does entrance make THAT much of a diff?'

Ruby says, 'can i have a Craven's willy string?'

Ruby ducks to the ground.

Craven says, 'It must be low...I've never noticed it'

Craven says, 'like 5% or something'

LadyAce says, 'actually...you should try it'

Firefly nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Craven says, 'I do and have'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'we do'

Craven says, 'never noticed it'

Ruby says, 'there realy isn't much diff'

Craven says, 'you act like I don't try things :P'

Craven says, 'I'm insulted'

LadyAce says, 'it might be in other areas than you're looking at'

Spanish-Flea says, '"Firefly nods her agreement with LadyAce."'

Spanish-Flea says, 'uhhh'

LadyAce says, 'mobs can't do a whole lotta bad stuff to you if all they're doing is dancing away....'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Spanish-Flea says, 'wheres your agreement?'

Craven says, 'sure they can'

Craven says, 'entrance a klien guard and hit it, he'll hit back really hard :)'

Craven says, 'entranced or not, hehe'

Kaige says, 'hit yes'

LadyAce says, 'yea, they hit back normally still, that's true'

Spanish-Flea says, 'stun the klein guard and he don't hit back :P'

Sliver says, 'ok, I have a question'

LadyAce says, 'but that's the end of the hints!'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sliver.

Craven says, 'pff'

Firefly says to Spanish-Flea, 'secret!'

LadyAce giggles at Firefly.

New Fight Skills Discussion

Sandra says, 'so I have a question'

Sandra says, 'what do you all think of the new skills so far?'

Craven won't say.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Craven's head.

Sandra pats Craven on the head.

Ruby says, 'stupid'

Ruby says, 'worthless'

Craven says, 'haha'

Firefly personally has tons of fun with them on her alts.

Sandra says, 'why?'

Ruby says, 'I would use a prac on fishing 1st'

Craven says, 'stop making me laugh in RL dude'

Sliver says, 'ive heard that toppel was good, the rest could use work or would not be bothered to even use it'

Craven says, 'he's just bitter'

Craven says, 'I dazed him with blindside'

Sandra says, 'I need some reasons :)'

LadyAce says, 'topple! not toppel!'

Ruby says, 'retreat screw that skill!'

Sandra giggles at Craven.

Spanish-Flea nods solemnly.

Sliver says, 'sorry'

Spanish-Flea says, 'yeah! toppel!'

Craven says, 'seriously'

Craven says, 'the new skills aren't that great'

Craven says, 'obviously better then nothing'

Sliver says, 'because its better to use primary skills'

Craven says, 'but I wouldn't give up chant for it'

Sandra says, 'There's some tweaks to them going in next week, or is it this week?'

Sandra says, 'well this week or next'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'next'

LadyAce says, 'well...we want them to be good. But we don't want to put them in over powered...your ideas will help us do better'

Craven says, 'well, whenever I say they suck to huginn'

Craven says, 'he says they are supposed to suck, so I don't care :)'

Sandra says, 'they aren't primary skills. But they were a little weaker than we had expected'

Firefly says, 'i like the fact that strength fighters has a chance to stun their opponent now'

Ruby says, 'I like the extra thing blindside does. but other than that I see no use for them. I'll just bash or kick or whatever'

Craven says, 'none of the new skills stun'

Sandra says, 'nope they all do other stuff'

Craven says, 'unless its wrestling'

Craven says, 'blindside is nice'

Craven says, 'suckerpunch misses...a lot'

Firefly says, 'well, some knock out.'

Sandra says, 'wrestling has 3 different specials'

Craven says, 'I start fights with blindside'

Craven says, 'but I don't use any of the others'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'ok then i have never seen them they need to happen more imo'

Craven says, 'and blindside did 11 damage...'

Craven chuckles politely.

Sandra says to Ruby, 'I've seen 2 of the 3 regularly'

Ruby says to Craven, 'it did 13 once!'

Craven says, 'warcry does more damage :P'

Sandra says, 'Yea, damage will be tweaked a little'

Craven says, 'if you made it not use the alert flag, snipers might have use of them'

Sliver says, 'ive seen topple used in a fight nicely, like a headbutt without the falling down, but no stunners'

Craven says, 'but I don't have any snipers that use the new skills anyway'

Craven says, 'so what do I care :)'

Sandra nods her agreement with Sliver.

Ruby says to Craven, 'naw screw snipers we don't need them anymore'

Craven says, 'I feel retreat is more of a newbie skill then anything'

Ruby says to Craven, 'a sniper is suposed to lay on the ground and die thats all'

Sandra says, 'wrestling is my new favourite'

Craven says, 'so I don't find it useless...just useless to me'

Sandra says, 'well, lemme brign up the S word'

Sliver says, 'but to be honest, I have more use for other skills and combos right now'

Sandra says, 'in skilltrees, they are on the low end of the fighter tree'

Firefly makes the sign of the cross at Sandra.

Craven says, 'yea I know'

Ruby pokes a skill tree myth.

Ruby says, 'myth'

Sandra says, 'so we're working upwards. But still they won't be as good as the other skills already in'

Sandra thinks next weeks fixes should make them pretty nice tho.

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'excellent :)'

Pirate Game, Please?

Craven says, 'will you PLEASE run that sweet pirate hint game again'

LadyAce giggles at Craven.

Craven says, 'I know its a lot of work'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Craven says, 'but you spoiled me, its the only game I like now'

Craven says, 'the last one you ran was 1999'

LadyAce says, 'it does sound like a fun one to do again soon.'

Craven says, 'it was in the lt :P'

Ruby says, 'gangwars'

LadyAce says, 'no, I ran it more recently, but you missed it'

Ruby bursts into tears.

LadyAce says, 'yea,yea, pirates, game, yes, I should do it.'

Snipers in Pkill?

Craven says, 'ya so I might have missed this, and I have 2 questions'

Craven says, 'first is not meant to piss you off, just curious'

Craven says, 'do you really feel snipers are viable in pk and beyond, whatever that is...cuz I don't know :P'

Craven says, 'and 2ndly'

Craven says, 'if I e-mailed you a log of me fighting like a complete loser that most people would refuse to fight, yet still lost, would you tell me what it is I'm supposed to do to win a fight that I didn't do?'

Craven says, 'I figure you can't possibly make another change that can screw this character anymore, so I'm going to try to figure it out'

Spanish-Flea says, 'skill lag on vials'

Craven says, 'it can only get better!'

Spanish-Flea says, 'that'd screw you up more'

Kaige says, '1st off: what definition of sniper are you using?'

Ruby says to Kaige, 'perc char'

Craven says, 'a sniper is someone with 80+ perc'

Craven says, 'and MY defination is one without damroll'

Craven says, 'though damroll is fine, I shouldn't have to have it...I"m sneaky'

Craven says, 'kinda like mages can have it...but don't have to'

Craven says, 'fighters do of course'

Spanish-Flea has damroll

Craven says, 'I have 3'

Craven flexes his bulging, impressive muscles.

Primo has -3

Spanish-Flea has 27, maybe more if he gets anew twohander

Craven says, 'I just fear we're going down the road hitroll went down.'

Craven says, 'where you're REQUIRED to have it to survive'

Craven says, 'and that would be....sad'

Ruby hangs his head.

Craven says, 'but thats off topic'

Kaige says, 'and I'm assuming tht the character is doing more than trying to get a snipe and fleeing and using a non-alert checking skill until you can try again?'

Craven says, 'first was do you honestly think a sniper can hold his own in pk'

Ruby nods his agreement with Primo.

Craven says, 'of course kaige'

Craven says, 'haven't you ever seen me fight?'

Kaige says, 'honestly, nope.'

Craven says, 'thats....sad? :)'

Craven says, 'anyway'

Craven says, 'in the stupid fight I did that took like 25 minutes'

Craven says, 'I did absolutly nothing but backstab'

Craven says, 'which isn't viable'

Kaige says, 'I dunno.. I don't know how much time you spend outside the ooc/inns... you tell me you don't play anways'

Craven says, 'I don't play much now'

Craven says, 'this is hardly craven's hayday :)'

Kaige says, 'nope. I'd think you'd have to mix up some skills'

LadyAce says, 'well, just using backstab does sound kinda lame :P and not very fun'

Craven says, 'well if I kick'

Craven says, 'I do about 30 damage'

Sandra says, 'shoot?'

Craven says, 'and they immolate me for 60'

Kaige says, 'but those sluicing sounds are nice'

Sandra says, 'run like mad, reload, shoot again?'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'yeh and bows do so much damage'

Craven says, 'hehe, bows do no damage'

Craven says, 'not possible'

Craven says, 'in reality I could drop my bo'

Craven says, 'bow'

Craven says, 'its not really necessary these days'

Ruby says to Craven, 'don't you have an old ody bow anyway?'

Sandra says, 'that's coz you have a panzy bow'

Craven says, 'no'

Craven says, 'I was born in klien 4 years ago when it didn't matter'

Craven winks suggestively at Sandra.

Craven says, 'if I had a gun my strategy would be slightly different'

Craven says, 'still'

Craven says, 'just curious'

Ruby says, 'i do no better than craven did'

Ruby says, 'only Drakkon the freak damroll sniper does ok'

Craven says, 'I keep being told I'm doing it wrong, so I would like you to look at it and tell me what to do'

Craven tugs on Sandra's sleeve imploringly.

Sandra says, 'wha?'

Craven says to Sandra, 'you're an old pk buff, tell me what to do.'

Sandra says, 'pansy bow'

Craven says, 'and do what with it?'

Sandra says, 'paaaaaaaaaans-E'

Kaige says, 'practice?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Craven says, 'well that alone means something's broken'

Craven says, 'bows shouldn't be worthless'

Spanish-Flea says, '*cough* go get a bow from sandra's pansy areas *cough*'

Kaige says, 'sorry.. couldn't resist'

Sandra says, 'they aren't worthless'

Craven says, 'what the hells wrong with this bow'

Sandra says, 'but they're like guns'

Craven peers intently at the great-bow of Odysseus.

Ruby says, 'if that bow is pansy something is wrong'

LadyAce says, 'maybe it's for Greeks only'

Craven laughs.

Craven says, 'perhaps'

Sandra says, 'I'll tell you what i tell people that ask me about guns'

Sandra says, 'try some others'

Craven says, 'you're doing it again'

Craven says, 'I've tried the bows'

Sandra says, 'yea, it's fun ;)'

Ruby rolls his eyes heavenward.

LadyAce says, 'there are better bows out there than that one'

Craven says, 'they are all identical'

Kaige says, 'lately?'

Craven says, 'bows and guns are the same'

Sandra says, 'no they aren't identical'

Craven says, 'they all do about the same damage'

Sandra says, 'nope'

Ruby says, 'all lies!'

Craven says, 'I"ll test this, but when I prove you wrong I'm going to be pissed'

Craven says, 'guns do 15-20 a shot, bows do the same'

Ruby says to Craven, 'I guess now we have some mobs to kill?'

Sandra says, 'you can try. I've already tested the hell out of it'

Craven says, 'regardless of armslore'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'ok so your bow is a bit diff :P'

Craven says, 'accuracy plays a small part in it, but not much'

Sandra says, 'well, not with my bow ;)'

Craven says, 'and this bow is accurate anyway'

Kaige giggles at Craven.

Kaige says, 'if you say so'

Sandra says, 'ok sure yea'

Ruby says, 'throw me 5 mind and I'll armslore the hell out of them'

Craven says, 'did you change items on pfiles?'

Sandra says, 'I can stat that thing'

Craven says, 'when I armslored this it was fine'

Sandra says, 'not those, nope'

Kaige says, 'no I statted yours 5 minutes ago'

Craven says, 'regardless'

Craven says, 'IN theory'

Craven says, 'this bow does say 10 damage'

LadyAce says, 'do other folks have questions out there? Or shall we continue to armwrestle with Craven? :)'

Kaige says, 'In Object: (none) Carried by: Craven Wear Location: '

Craven says, 'and another bow does 17'

Craven says, '7 damage isn't going to make much difference'

Kaige says, 'yup.. even got yours and not a different one'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Craven sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'I guess I shouldn't have expected answers'

Sandra says, 'test them out, try other things with them. That's really all I can tell you'

Craven says, 'I'll send you the log anyway, we'll see what I get back'

Sandra nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'well, if it's all backstabs :P'

Craven says, 'I refuse to use flaming arrows, thats too much wasted rent and time and I shouldn't HAVE to use that to succeed'

Craven says, 'I'm still of the opinion bows are 2h, they should do something interesting anyway...but unfortunately noone agrees :('

Craven pokes Sandra in the ribs.

Sandra says, 'well, its your choice to use them or not. They're extra damage on top of what could be already rather good'

Craven says, 'that raises another good question'

Armslore Damage Report Bug?

Craven says, 'is it possible to get armslored fixed to tell truthfull information?'

Craven says, 'especially with ranged weapons?'

Sandra says, 'oh I dunno. Probably. Idea it and we'll stick it on the list'

Kaige waves happily.

The aura around Kaige slowly fades and she is gone.

Sandra is too.

Sandra waves happily.

The aura around Sandra slowly fades and she is gone.

Ruby says, 'cya later'

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o "Help feedback" doesn't say anything about the feedback command/channel/whatever, which appears to exist -- at least it's a command that does something or is it the same as this? Looks sort of similar... Okay, my revised question: is "feedback" a synonym for "q&a"?

Yes, help file has been updated to reflect this. This is one of the reasons the feed command added. Though the "feed" abbreviation for "feedback", we were seeing lots of people were trying to use it to give items to various animals around the mud.

o I'm not exactly sure how wimpy is supposed to work right now, but it doesn't seem to be working at all. I had mine set at 200, and had no skill lag and yet didn't flee or even attempt it. Maybe when you hit your wimpy, you should at least get a message, and the next lagfree round you SHOULD flee. Right now, it's useless.

It's useless if you're trying to make it do your tactics for you, yes. You only flee if you're being hit, otherwise you need to type flee yourself. Wimpy is a last ditch, "try to get me out of this situation" command that is triggered in combat when you are hit. The idea behind it is to help the underdog a bit.

o Perhaps as a reward for imm run tiny plots, a prize could be xp for good RP?

We generally don't give out experience or other tangible in-game rewards for roleplaying because of the subjective nature of it and the inability to reward everyone equally for it. For the bigger plots, we do often give out whois strings for the participants.

o Maybe there could be a use for make amulet by selling your crafts to local stores and ones far away, be nice to see druids have a lil money run thing for their herbs.

Have you tried? There are some characters out there who have made lots of money this way.

o There should be a place that sells cheap rent items made of silver, gold and what have you so that people could carry these items around for when they fail a repair on something.

There are at least two I can think of off the top of my head. There are also numerous places that cheap and easy to get items load on low level mobiles.

o There should be a big grandfather clock in the middle of PD that says -when- the next repop will be.

Our resets do not work on a per area basis. They work on a per mob and sometimes even item basis. That way not all mobiles in the area need to reset at once, making it impossible to pinpoint one exact "reset time".

o Deposit seems to have a skill lag attached to it. Is this intentional for pkill purposes, or a bug?

It is definitely intentional. It was a fix for "deposit 9* dollar" when someone had 9 dollars that they were trying to deposit and it repeatedly crashed the mud. We can look into it and see if we can put a shorter delay on it and achieve the same thing.

o Seems like Hah-gweh-di-yu is never alive these days, just wondering if he has an extraordinary repop time or what. Thanks.

Kae reports that his repop hasn't changed for about a year at least.

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