March 13th, 2003

Negative Mana on Trueform?

Xylander says, 'negative mana on true form, whats the deal!'

Ea! says, 'being able to cast the spell when you don't have enough mana, you mean?'

Xylander nods his agreement with Ea!.

Xylander says, 'and it does take the normal amount off but puts you into negatives for it'

Xylander says, 'it happened right after i tried to tform a nonrepair item would that have something to do with it?'

Kaige says, 'it was charging 40 mana so it was taking an extra five beyond what the code was checking for what you had'

Xylander says, 'i havent had enough damaged items to test it hehe'

Xylander says, 'oooOOooo ok!'

Xylander says, 'durn cant cast tform on this char, isnt it supposed to be 35 though?'

Xylander says, 'or according to help anyway, as far as I recall'

Kaige nods her agreement with Xylander.

Kaige says, 'and it will be tomorrow'

Xylander says, 'ahhhh so its just been stealing extra mana'

Xylander kicks the code and demands a refund.

Kaige says, 'basically'

Xylander grins evilly.

Is Ac Off on These Items?

Xylander says, 'rune covered shields and red boots with silver stars... is ac cheaper in rent total if its an LoP or ex-HoL kinda thing?'

Kaige shakes her head.

Kaige says, 'no, no discount on the ac if it's an LoP'

Xylander says, 'so how come they can have such GREAT ac for such respectively low rent'

Xylander says, 'the boots have always boggled me, the shield boggles me now'

Kaige says, 'yeah shield feels low to me too, just glancing at it. note 'em so they can be looked at?'

Xylander says, '-34ac is just ninjalike'

Xylander says, 'unless it was always supposed to be 24 and someone typo'd hehehe'

Kaige says, 'no, but ac isn't figured straight off the item any more'

Kaige grumbles.

Xylander says, 'yeah i just thought maybe it was a treat for us spirit user types hehehe cos traditionally our stuff is kinda plain'

Purify/Sterilize Skill?

Xylander says, 'surgeons weapon poisoning skill right...'

Xylander says, 'was it ever considered adding a purification type one?'

Xylander says, 'like to restore the weapon to its former glory..'

Kaige says, 'I believe there was a sterilize equivalent.'

Xylander says, 'yeeeeah thats what im thinking of..'

Xylander says, 'cos druids align thing is like flavor or foul but weapon poisoning is just for evil types'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Xylander says, 'which with the insurgence of good only +mana items and the new need for a bit more mana most surgeons are good'

Xylander says, 'so it would be neat to give goody good surgeons something spiffy like the poisoning'

Xylander says, 'what would really make it useful is for people with weapon specials that got over-ridden by poison then they could have them restored by removing the poison'

Xylander says, 'of course that might get tricky with the code i dont know'

Kaige says to Xylander, 'should be fairly easy to get to that data.'

Xylander says, 'oooowch that wimpy change is gonna HURT'

Kaige says, 'tho an old style weapon would be restored to the new style data.'

Xylander nods his agreement with Kaige.

Xylander says, 'thatd do nicely :)'

What is the wimpy change?

Heart says, 'About the code fix that is coming up'

Heart says, 'I don't understand this part'

Heart says, 'Players who wimpy out of a fight, must obey skill delays first'

Kaige says, 'yup.'

Heart says, 'Meaning..'

Sana says, 'yeah does that mean, wimpy fleeing now gives skill lag?'

Kaige says, 'so if you kick, you can't flee on wimpy until your skill delay's up.'

Heart says, 'You don't flee until you are free of skill lag?'

Sana says, 'or was there a bug where wimpy fleeing cleared skill lag?'

Sana peers around intently.

Xylander says, 'owch owch i swear..'

Kaige nods her agreement with Heart.

Sana says, 'ouch'

Xylander goes EEK! in distress.

Heart says, 'Oh my'

Xylander says, 'i wont be able to kill oonagh real easy anymore'

Xylander sniffles quietly.

Kaige has created the discussion board!

Heart says, 'That is going to kill alot of people'

Xylander says, 'and just when i was getting in level to do it'

Sana says, 'oi, there goes warcry flee, poor fighter :p'

Kaige says, 'this has been in discussion quite a while...'

Kaige says, 'Since January.. and then discussion kinda died out again..'

LadyAce says, 'We can stick it in the motd too -- that flee has been changed'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'I'm not sure how else to get the word out other than boards and motd and LT'

Heart says, 'I'm pretty sure there will be alot of... people that will not like the change'

Kaige says, 'well, they like the one line that makes mobs obey it.. it's rather just evening the field'

Xylander bursts into tears.

Heart says, 'guess no more big hitter/surgeon combo on Dimmesdale'

Heart giggles.

Xylander says, 'im not gonna be able to WHIP nemean butt anymore'

Sana nods her agreement with Xylander.

Sana says, 'oh god'

Heart nods her agreement with Xylander.

Sana says, 'I hadnt even thought of that guy :p'

Sana shudders.

Xylander says, 'oh god and pk... the pain.. the screaming hurting paining owch'

LadyAce says, 'well...it might make hard mobs hard again, yea :)'

Sana says, 'time for str to make a come back!'

Heart says, 'Actually, that is good, it mean, I won't have a hard time inspiring dexie'

Xylander says, 'in fact the nemean lion with that change has just become 900 times harder, and im not even kidding'

Heart giggles at LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'might make actual tactics useful too'

Xylander says, 'even an Archibald style tank with 900hps if hes sucking down 2 rounds before a flee to get his surgeon to heal him is not gonna bode well'

Xylander says to Heart, 'damn right, dex mages are gonna go SPLAT'

Heart says, 'The best way is not to use skill then I guess, just type kill'

Kaige says, 'only if you're relying on the fleeing to not take the damage..'

Xylander says, 'not so much to not take damage, but to avoid inspire'

Xylander says, 'if they have to wait in the room theyre SO dead'

Xylander says, 'time to start playing my con mage pkers more i think'

Heart says, 'Oh, this mean surgeons can't solo Metacomat anymore'

Sana says, 'con create is about to be very scary in pk hehe'

Xylander says, 'im still pondering whether to level this char now hehehe'

Xylander says, 'that wimpy change kinda defiles the concept'

Xylander says, 'low hps, good augments wont work if i haveta tank'

Kaige says to Xylander, 'then don't tank?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Xylander says, 'yeah but then i wont do any damage'

Xylander says, 'without kicks id be dead in the water'

Xylander says, 'im no swanky sniper hehehe'

Kaige says, 'no, by not obeying the skill delay on those kicks, you've been enjoying a serious advantage'

Xylander says, 'yeeeeeah and its painful to see it go'

Xylander says, 'id rather see the mobs get that advantage too'

Xylander laughs.

Kaige wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Kaige says, 'lets just take all the skill delays off then..'

Xylander says, 'today was the first day i found out they didnt wimpy like we do actually'

Kaige says, 'he with the faster connection and longer string of pretypes wins?'

Xylander says, 'noooooo'

Xylander grins evilly.

Kaige grins evilly.

Xylander says, 'althouuugh i type pretty quick.. and my connections not ALL bad'

Xylander ducks to the ground.

Kaige chuckles politely.

Vehicles & Wagon Quest

Sana says, 'is wagon quest fixed or broken atm?'

Sana says, 'thought I saw a board post saying it worked again'

Kaige says to Sana, 'still removed from the mud. What you saw was a "we hope to have it back in soon"'

Sana nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'and with the changes Huginn's been doing this week, looks like it might be back in the next week or two.'

Kaige says to Heart, 'and we found and tracked down the bug with harness in Tara too'

Heart smiles at Kaige.

Heart says to Kaige, 'so harness was suppose to do that?'

Kaige says, 'no. it wasn't. I fixed the wagon that's there now.'

Heart says, 'It would be nice, the idea of having a wagon or something'

Heart says, 'Allowing non-mages to money run'

Heart says, 'easier, and safer'

Kaige says, 'the item was created before it had a certain value to let it work correctly, but loading new ones, set it correctly..'

Heart smiles happily.

Changes for Limans and Kleiners?

Xylander says, 'oh the hitter immort discussion hows that going so far?'

Xylander says, 'or is it not.. hehe'

LadyAce says, 'the hitter immort discussion?'

Kaige says, 'the umm.. what?'

Kaige peers at Xylander, looking him up and down.

Xylander says, 'awhile ago you guys said you were discussing ways to make klein and lima and stuff different'

Xylander says, 'is that still being discussed?'

Kaige says, 'ok that shorthand really lost me on that... but. umm...'

Ea! says, 'got put on the back burner, really.'

Xylander nods solemnly.

Xylander says, 'yeah'

Kaige says, 'yeah, the most active discussion stuff right now is immort applications'

LadyAce says, 'it's not an active proposal that someone has formulated, per se, just something we'd like to address and that we keep in mind as we go along'

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'actually, I think we do have some plans on that one.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'Er, on the lima/klein thing.'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'I mean "plans" as in "this week, we're going to..." -- we definitely have ideas and strategies'

LadyAce says, 'when I think of plans, I think like project plans, with timelines, I guess'

Kaige says, 'yeah i think it was next on huginn's list after the vechicle stuff?'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.

Craven & Wimpy Change

Craven says, 'interesting'

Kaige says, 'that's the best you've got?'

Xylander laughs.

LadyAce giggles.

Craven says, 'I don't understand it...'

Craven says, 'whats the wimpy thing mean?'

LadyAce says to Craven, 'Kaige is itchin for a fight'

Craven says, 'if i wimpy out I already suffer skill lag'

Craven snickers at LadyAce nastily.

Xylander says, 'kick.. get damcapped, get damcapped.. flee'

Kaige says, 'after you flee...'

Kaige says, 'not before.'

Craven says, 'so skar's thing got put in?'

Craven says, 'basically you can't flee before you could type it anyway'

Ea! nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'thus negating wimpy really :)'

Xylander nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'yeah. it was what looked like a one line oversight in the code. It affects mobs that way already.. just not pcs'

Craven says, 'and the cycle continues...snipers now sit upon the bottom'

Craven throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Xylander says, 'and the con create rules with an iron fist for another few months'

Craven says, 'about time for fighters to be back on top'

Xylander says, 'you guys really need to get the kneecappin hammer out for those guys'

Craven says, 'oh yea, great'

Craven says, 'time to reject all creates...good call'

Xylander says, 'an incite on a noncalming sniper just got a BUNCH easier for old beeber'

Xylander laughs.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I don't pk anyway, who cares'

Craven says, 'the balance shifts, but its never close to centered'

Craven winks suggestively at Kaige.

Kaige says to Craven, 'you're admitting it shifts?'

Craven says, 'I've always admitted it shifts'

Craven says, 'admittedly this is by FAR the longest lull I can remember'

Craven says, '6 years ago it was dex mage and stun'

Craven says, 'then it was strength with elbow'

Craven says, 'snipers were in there with insta snipe no flags as well'

Craven says, 'after the fight changes it was con mages'

Craven says, 'eventually it went back to dex mages'

Craven says, 'then it went to snipers'

Kaige says, 'oh right.. it's just not weekly.'

Kaige nods to herself.

Craven says, 'then to creates'

Craven says, 'now to...this'

Craven says, 'this doesn't really change the top, I still say the top is shared by augmenters/create'

Craven says, 'just changes the bottom :)'

Craven says, 'and fighters moved up the chain'

Craven says, 'which is a good thing, its been awhile since fighters were really feared'

Xylander nods solemnly.

Xylander says, 'cheese hitters are downright terrifying now'

Craven says, 'I guess if we can't be balanced, we might as well share the top spot :)'

Craven says, 'and you know I don't mean weekly'

Craven says, 'you have to admit the balance hasn't shifted in QUITE some time'

Craven says, 'it used to change about every 3-6 months'

Craven says, 'this was a year or more :)'

Craven says, 'does this mean if your entranced you can't flee?'

Craven says, 'because thats really stupid'

Kaige says, 'no, it means if you're affected by skill lag, your wimpy won't go off until it's cleared.'

Ea! says, 'being entranced doesn't set skill lag on you.'

Craven rolls his eyes heavenward.

Craven says, 'you ignore bugs yet fix this :P'

Craven says, 'fine!'

Craven says, 'thats all, I'm done'

Kaige says to Craven, 'from my point of view this IS a bug.'

Craven says, 'yes and no'

Craven says, 'unfortunately balance is based on it'

Craven says, 'its like saying mages using weapons is a bug'

Craven says, 'unfortunately the system relies on it'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'oh, but ones that aren't, you don't count as bug fixes, only cosmetic changes.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Craven says, 'no, this is a change/fix, I love it :)'

Craven says, 'you have to remember, I have so many characters your bound to make ONE of my characters good'

Craven says, 'I guess what I'm saying is fixing a bug BEFORE you fix the system its built on seems...dumb? Thats blunt but I dunno :)'

Craven's Rant on Roots, Again

Craven says, 'kinda like the 2nd circle create thing, which is now worthless waiting for a replacement for roots'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'you fixed the problem before you fixed whats based on it'

Kaige says, 'no, you just don't want to get the mind to fix your char's ability with it. which is fine.. it rewards those who do.'

Craven says, 'I'm not sure what you mean by that'

Craven says, 'oh wait'

Craven says, 'you mean more then 50 mind?'

Craven chuckles politely.

Craven says, '100 mind balm is pointless in pk'

Xylander says, 'dunno about that, if ya can pull off sleepin someplace its pretty quick'

Craven says, 'but thats beside the point'

Kaige says, 'the char I remember checking had less than 50 I think, but whatever.,'

Craven shakes his head.

Craven says, 'this was my only person with roots, had 50 even'

Craven says, '50 mind balm heals about as fast and resting without it'

Craven says, 'the modifier must be .1115'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'it really destroyed 2nd circle create'

Craven says, 'but 3rd circle is still strong, so no biggie I guess'

Craven says, 'and 2nd cause 3rd cause is fine'

Xylander says, 'balanced it to 2c cause more tho, a 2c create balm with 50min is still cheapern cure lighting with 50min'

Craven says, 'no, its not'

Craven says, 'I disagree completely'

Xylander says, 'i rely on balm constantly with 2c creates with low mind'

Craven says, 'I will bet you my 50 mind cause mage could out heal a balming 50 mind create'

Xylander says, 'for the same mana?'

Xylander says, 'i use 50 mana for 2 balms and heal 500hps, can you heal that many in 50mana?'

Xylander says, 'i sincerely doubt it'

Craven says, 'obvoiusly not for the same mana, but the thing is if you have ONLY 2nd circle create, you probably have root anyway'

Craven says, 'it only hurts those us of without augment'

Craven says, 'but its a moot point'

Craven says, '2nd circle create without augment is dead, no biggie, lots of shit dies :)'

Xylander says, 'tell that to the 800hp 2c creates that constantly kill PD'

Craven says, 'I'm curious to see what the next big craze will be...probably create and fighters, though my guess will be the next "big" change will hamper create'

Craven snickers at Xylander nastily.

Craven says, 'I don't care if you can kill sl'

Craven says, 'if it takes you 3 hours to heal afterwards, its not worth it'

Xylander says, 'yeah but i wouldnt say its dead'

Craven says, 'and I really could care less about mobkill anyway'

Craven winks suggestively at Xylander.

Craven says, 'go pk with 2nd circle create'

Craven says, 'tell me how well you do'

Craven cackles gleefully at Xylander - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Xylander says, 'ok i'll do that been meanin to make a 2c create for PK for awhile'

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o Can we have command to see who has you gaged/gagchanneled.

Unfortunately, the uses to which this command would likely be put to by certain bad apples negates any purpose to having such a command.

o How about adding an anonymous mudmail-address for the clan-gm's so people interested in joining a clan can send a mail to the clan without the gm's getting known untill they show themselves to the person willing to join.

This is on the todo/wish list for a rewrite of the mail system. No time estimate on when it might happen.

o Can we get a way to get to the 'ignore social' help? Help ignore goes to HELP gag, HELP <social> gives a list of the socials, but ignore is a social but doesn't work.

HELP <social> is just a shortcut to the VIEW command which displays the messages for moods and socials. Just type VIEW SOC IGNORE and you'll get it.

o Your perfectly aimed shot drills through Reverend Joseph Lawson's flesh.
You receive 0 experience, your share of 0.
I didn't get any xp for this kill. Is that a bug?

Sandra says this is not a bug, but purely intentional.

o There is a spelling mistake in the whois line traveled to the well of saegis and ate from the hazelnut tress....traveled should be travelled?

Both are acceptable spellings.

o If you are an augmenter or a healer -- you never get the opportunity to do a death blow on a large mob -- that isn't fair IMHO, something should be changed so we integral healers can share some glory with the hitters.

You have a much less LIKELY chance of doing it, yes, but then you're playing a support type character. Not every character type is going to be glorious at everything. Sometimes you may get lucky, sometimes not.

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