March 6th, 2003

Trueform and Negative Mana?

Spanish-Flea reports: 182/426 hp -2/727 mana 457/457 mv.

Spanish-Flea throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Noah wrinkles his nose with distaste.

Kaige says, 'trueform? fixed for next week'

Kaige says, 'was hard to track down since people ONLY like to bug their prompt line, without bothering to say HOW they got to negative mana'

Sandra giggles.

Kaige hates to feel like she's pulling teeth to find and fix bugs.

Spanish-Flea shrugs helplessly.

Spanish-Flea likes his negative mana

Slow Q&As and What's Logged?

Spanish-Flea says, 'do no questions mean imms are doing a good job?'

LadyAce says, 'no, they mean that people don't have questions'

Kae says, 'what? why am I being fired, boss? I never do anything here'

Kaige says, 'i think it means we haven't made any mean, controversial changes that haven't already been beaten to death.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'do silly things like me squealing or me asking this question out of the slightly ironic chance it gets posted get edited out of q & a logs?'

Kaige says, 'basically i try to edit the logs so that they'll still be of interest to players in the future'

Spanish-Flea says, 'damn!'

Spanish-Flea ducks to the ground.

Noah says to Kaige, 'and thank you for that'

Noah nods his agreement with Kaige.

Bug with Brew? Why Herblore Req?

Noah says, 'So I bugged something the other day, and was wondering if it really was a bug or just me being silly'

Noah says, 'The brew thing...'

Noah says, 'Anyone familiar?'

Kaige says, 'which brew thing?'

Noah says, 'Well, the fact that you can try to brew anything in the game, with a chance of destroying it. Leading to interesting things, like trying to brew a sword (in glass vial, no less) and destroying it in the process.'

Kae blinks.

Noah says, 'Try it!'

Kae says, 'and you didn' tellme ?!'

Noah says, 'Anything at all'

Noah chuckles politely.

Noah says to Kae, 'I bugged it!'

LadyAce says, 'neato'

Noah hangs his head.

Kae says, 'I could have had SO much fun RP-wise trying to brew weird stuff!'

LadyAce says, 'nominate it for bug of the year! :)'

LadyAce points at the post-its.

Emrysia giggles.

Noah giggles.

Kae promptly goes over there to try to brew and mix a sword, a bandage, and a candied date.

Kaige says, 'did you actually destroy soemthing with it?'

Noah says, 'Well, I initially came across it when trying to brew strawberries in Canada'

Noah nods solemnly.

Noah says, 'I kept doing it because it gave me the same fail message as herbs'

Noah says, 'Forgetting to herblore it and all'

Noah chuckles politely.

Noah says, 'And I finally realized "Hey", so I went to Quickley's and tried bread, swords in the box, etc'

Emrysia says, 'wow'

Emrysia giggles.

Emrysia wants to go try that now.

Emrysia giggles.

Noah gets an empty glass vial from a leather-lined satchel.

Noah chuckles politely.

Noah says, 'Well, at least we can't brew here'

Noah puts an empty glass vial in a leather-lined satchel.

Emrysia nods her agreement with Noah.

Kaige says, 'fixed.'

Kae giggles.

Noah chuckles politely.

Emrysia giggles.

Noah says, 'Dang!'

Noah says, 'That was snappy!'

Kae says to Kaige, 'can I play with forge and strawberries now, mom?'

Kaige says, 'oh you can still TRY...'

Noah chuckles politely.

Kae giggles.

Kaige says, 'it just won't destroy it if you fail abysmally.'

Noah nods solemnly.

Kae forges the hugest biggest strawberry pop on the block.

Noah thinks that you should break the vial if you try to brew something metal. That's just silly.

Kae says, 'actually, that'd make sense'

Kae says, 'not to mention -- how the hell did you get a sword into a vial anyway?'

Kae peers at Noah, looking him up and down.

Noah chuckles politely.

Noah says, 'Amen to that'

Emrysia says, 'biiiig vial?'

Kaige says, 'BIG vial'

Kae ponders HUGE vials.

Noah laughs.

Noah gets an empty glass vial from a leather-lined satchel.

Noah picks up an empty glass vial and shakes it vigorously.

Noah says, 'Great vial of wicked slaying goodness for brewing butt kicking weaponry of the largest variety!'

Noah raises an empty glass vial high in the air above his head.

Noah puts an empty glass vial in a leather-lined satchel.

Noah says, 'Well'

Noah looks up into the sky and ponders.

Noah says, 'When you try to make a poultice out of something that you can't make a poultice out of'

Noah says, 'It says: you can't make a poultice out of this, moron.'

Kae rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Kaige says, 'does not.'

Noah says, 'Well, not exactly, but sort of'

Noah chuckles politely.

Emrysia giggles.

Kae snaps her fingers. ATTITUDE!

Kae liked the idea.

Noah says, 'You get the picture'

Kae says, 'just like I love the message for locating an immortal'

Noah says, 'You get a message telling you you can't do it'

Kaige says, 'no moron even in comments'

Noah laughs.

Emrysia says, 'wow, all the stuff i missed 'cause i actually use herblore'

Noah nods his agreement with Emrysia.

Kae says to Emrysia, 'me too, let's sue'

Emrysia giggles at Kaige.

Noah, after upteenbillion years, recently made this, his first druid.

Noah says, 'Which is why'

Noah chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'all it says is, "You can't make a poultice out of $p."'

Noah nods his agreement with Kae.

Noah peers at himself myopically.

Noah nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'and...'

Noah says, 'Was that a question?'

Noah chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Noah, 'I thought you had one.'

Noah says, 'Oh, right.'

Noah looks up into the sky and ponders.

Noah says, 'is there a fail message for poultice. I mean, can you fail in making one?'

Kaige says, 'yes. it was what I just said. You can't make a poultice out of $p.'

Noah looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says, 'think he means, assuming you use the right herbs'

Kae says, 'like 2 angelica, can it fail?'

Kae brandishes her sith mindreading powers.

Noah chuckles politely.

Emrysia giggles.

Kaige says, 'it doens't look like it.. your ability with it's mostly in the augmenting of them'

Noah says, 'Well, the point was this: maybe we could have a message telling us that we can't brew something. Like, when we try to repair something that's not metal, we are told as such...or is that silly?'

Noah hangs his head.

And how exactly do you think you're gonna make fruit juice out of $p?!

Mavado says, 'makes alot of since, actually.'

Noah chuckles politely.

Mavado slaps Akai_Hayate.

Kaige says, 'if the code doesn't think it's an herb, you now get: "You fail to brew anything from $p." and everyone else sees" $n tries to brew a potion from $p, but can't."... which is how I just fixed that.'

Kaige says, 'or will as of next friday'

Noah nods solemnly.

Mavado nods his agreement with Akai_Hayate.

Noah says to Kaige, 'and is that the same message one gets when they fail to brew something that is brew-able?'

Kaige says, 'yup, but you're gonna get that EVERY time.'

Kaige nudges that big ol' herblore book you carry around with you.

Noah nods solemnly.

Noah says, 'Oh, I understand the idea of having herblore for that'

Mavado says, 'oh, about herblore.'

Mavado says, 'why is it a must to have herblore before augment?'

Noah says, 'I'm not disputing the need of people to use it or anything...'

Noah says to Mavado, 'The same reason people should have armslore before repair or forge'

Noah ducks to the ground.

Kae says, 'it's like real good to know what you brew... before you kill yourself experimenting'

Mavado says, 'trial and error is out of the question, honestly?'

Kaige says, 'basically it's a walking before you learn to run thing.'

Kae says, 'well, if herblore wasn't a pre-req, at least we should die when we quaff bad potions ;)'

Noah chuckles politely.

Kae says, 'and then we'd just see cheat pages with the herb definitions'

Mavado says, 'herblore didn't used to be a req, that's my point.'

Noah blinks.

Mavado says to Kae, 'so let us die, it's our choice.'

Noah laughs.

Kaige says, 'then likely an oversight was fixed with teachers that didn't check it.. it's like having to have gunplay before sniper'

Kae says to Mavado, 'yeah, except it really says "build a web page with all the herbs on it, please"'

Mavado chuckles politely.

Akai_Hayate says to Kae, 'I think legenddb already has an herb section'

Mavado says to Kae, 'I could care less about web sites.'

Akai_Hayate says, 'not that I uh, go there or anything'

Mavado says to Akai_Hayate, 'it does.'

Kae says to Akai_Hayate, 'yeah, but then, you don't wanna hear my views of LegendDB ;)'

Mavado says to Kae, 'legenddb serves a good purpose.'

Kae says to Mavado, 'I'm not saying all players 'cheat' using the websites, but there's no reason to encourage the habit in even more of those who might'

Kae says, 'yeah, it earns page hits for advertising for Ugh :p'

Kaige says, 'when something makes more work for me by having to go on wild goose chases to find non-existent bugs.. I'm afraid I have to disagree.'

Akai_Hayate always just tortures dashiva till he spills quest info when he needs to know somthin

Mavado says to Kae, 'cheating, to you, is not be bothered with something trivial, to others, though.'

Akai_Hayate snickers softly.

Kae says to Mavado, 'I'm all for players talking to each other and swapping notes, it's the organized web site full of bugs that bothers me'

Mavado says to Kae, 'bugs?'

Kae says, 'when I started to play we were this group of buddies who changed notes and directions and stats on gear too, that's fine'

Mavado nods his agreement with Kae.

Kae says to Mavado, 'we get tons of bug reports on quests etc where LegendDB simply has the information down wrong'

Kaige says, 'stuff that's WRONG on it... and people whine to us to fix because the mud's broken when it's not.'

Mavado says to Kae, 'I find that amusing.'

Kaige doesn't.

Kae says, 'if you had to listen to someone threaten you for 3 hours to fix a quest you might stop laughing ;)'

Akai_Hayate threatens Kaige.

Mavado says, 'if i was an imm in charge of said quest, I'd have fun with it.'

Mavado shrugs helplessly.

Kae says, 'well, I do plan to have fun with LegendDB when Hell goes in -- everytime something there is right, I promise to change it :p'

Mavado says, 'change it around here and there.'

Mavado nods his agreement with Kae.

Mavado cheers for Kae - huzzah!

Mavado says, 'anyway, didn't mean to bring up a sore spot. :p'

Kae says, 'it's not, it's just that we have to discourage things that incite people to organise "cheating"'

Kaige says, 'or at least not paying attention to what scrolls in front of them'

Kae says, 'because it takes note exchange to a point where it stops being social and good and friendly and whatnot'

Mavado says to Kae, 'again, that's your perspective.'

Mavado says, 'I'm not disagreeing either, just noting that diff people play with diff ideals.'

Kae says, 'well, everything is perspective :)'

Kae says, 'absolutely'

Mavado says, 'for me, mob killing is boring and retarded.'

Kae says, 'and if say, 10 people like to do everything solo and quick, there's no way we're gonna tell those 10 not to swap notes and walkthrus real quiet'

Mavado says, 'you might enjoy it.'

Mavado says to Kae, 'why should it be quiet?'

Kae says to Mavado, 'quiet as in not on chat, basically'

Kaige says, 'so it doesn't ruin it for the people who enjoy figuring things out for themselves.'

Kae says to Mavado, 'mudmail, email, gtells, icq, you name it'

Sandra says, 'Legenddb is like my funny pages. It's dumb, really a waste of time to read, but I get such a kick out of it when I do'

Mavado says to Kaige, 'well, one doesn't have to log onto legenddb.'

Noah giggles at Sandra.

Kaige says, 'and you missed her point.'

Mavado says, 'no, I see her point, and do agree to an extent.'

Mavado says, 'I'm just bored, mostly ;)'

Kae says, 'I'm a great fan of little player communities swapping notes and helping each other out, it's the organised "cheat page" that bothers me because it estranges players from each toher and creates more work for me'

Sandra says, 'way back before the stupidity of cheat pages, people used to sit and discuss quests and stuff. Now you get 'go to Legenddb!' Cuz players have become a buncha puds =P'

Kaige says to Mavado, 'no one should be bored with kids in the house.'

Mavado says to Kae, 'cliques ;)'

Mavado smirks at Kae.

Mavado waves happily.

Kae says, 'actually I get most pissed off when a newbie asks something on chat and gets the url to legenddb :p'

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kae.

Kaige says, 'that's just laziness and ignorance on the oldbies part.'

Kae says, 'yup'

Noah frowns.

Kae says, 'and in some cases they really think it's the best help, I had a huge fall-out with a player over that'

Kaige says, 'either they're too lazy to actually talk to someone else, or they were brought up the same way by some other lazy person'

Kae says, '"newbies don't want stupid RP, they want to know what stats to get and where"'

Sandra is completely boggled.

Emrysia laughs.

Kaige says, 'depends on the newbie'

Kae says, 'let's just say that said player doesn't speak to me anymore ;)'

Kae says to Kaige, 'ya, but even if it's an anti-rp newbie, social is good for community and whatnot... fuzzy things.. spirit... team... you know... pink and cuddly...'

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Kae's fine with no rp people.

Noah says, 'So long as they keep they're stinky non rp paws off of everything that is good and right with the world!'

Kae says, 'some of the people I hang with most don't rp, it's not really the point as much as it's about not teaching people that they have to be totally alone in what is supposedly a group and community game'

Noah says, 'Just kidding'

Vehicles: Carts & Wagons

Kaige says, 'so, not even a "wow, cool, we're gonna get carts and wagons sooner rather than never?"'

Kae giggles.

Noah says, 'Wow! Cool!'

Emrysia blinks at Kaige.

Emrysia says, 'carts?! wagons?!'

Emrysia yells, 'wooo hooo!!!'

Noah says, 'Ooo, I didn't read it'

Noah cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Kaige says, 'not even a "wow, I could get a post-title and lose it through ignoring it?"'

Emrysia read discussion board.. is gonna avoid that subject.

Emrysia scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Noah nods his agreement with Emrysia.

Kae giggles.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'so did I... it's part of why we're able to do it now.'

Emrysia smiles at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'only this thief one is turning into more of a pain to code than I wanted.'

Kaige giggles.

Kae snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'you'll actually have to do stuff to act like a thief to get and keep 'em'

Noah says, 'ooo, that's purty neat'

Emrysia looks up into the sky and ponders.

Emrysia says, 'interesting.'

Noah looks up into the sky and ponders.

Emrysia has been drooling over that wagon quest for quite a while.

Kae says, 'Lima... not a problem...'

Kae scowls darkly in Kaige's direction.

Kaige says to Emrysia, 'I had to write a new room and stuff to get it how I liked it.'

Kaige giggles at Kae.

Kaige says to Kae, 'different one'

Emrysia raises her eyebrow at Kae.

Kae says, 'I know'

Emrysia laughs.

Kae says, 'I just whine about the Lima quest anyway'

Kaige giggles.

Kaige says, 'I like it...'

Kae says, 'and Emrysia laughed at me badly when I whined to her!'

Kae scowls darkly in Emrysia's direction.

Emrysia scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Kaige has to figure out how to take it and twist it and reuse it somewhere else.

Talking to Objects?

Kaige says to the net, 'That's what you get for being furniture!'

Kaige says, 'Yeah. I still think you should be able to talk to objects.'

Emrysia grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what she's thinking...

Kae says, 'that'd be nice'

Emrysia nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'Mingus would have had a party with his skull, Yorik.'

Kae says, 'I could curse and swear at things that are in my way, I liiiiike it'

Kaige swears at a directory board with surprising creativity and inventiveness.

Kae says, 'Marcel would start talking to his cat'

Kaige says, 'Mingus used to talk to Yorick all the time... just was a lot of work.'

Kae says, 'and yeah, that's the problem, it's pretty annoying, moreso if there are color codes'

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