December 5th, 2002

What Exactly Is a Treasure Item?

Basara says, 'ok, I've been trying to figure this out...'

Basara pokes a pod of anise seeds.

Basara says, 'herblore seems to say it's a TREASURE item... but there's no help on 'treasure''

LadyAce says, 'TREASURE is an item type like ARMOR and FOOD'

Basara says, 'I know it seems obvious, but is there something else we can do with it aside selling it?'

Kaige says, 'it's just a item type. usually means what "treasure" means in the real world.'

Nina says, 'rare spices were worth more than gold and gems'

LadyAce says, 'it essentially controls what you can do with the item (what you can use it for, who will buy it, etc.)'

Basara says, 'hmm... not a particularly valuable "treasure"'

Basara nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'not bad for just walking in and picking something up either.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Basara says, 'I'm just wondering if there's something I can do with it, I remember something about trading, right?'

Basara says, 'maybe this can be used to trade for more value across time or nation?'

Basara twirls a pod of anise seeds on the tip of his finger and expertly catches it in the air.

LadyAce says, 'sounds like a fun thing for you to figure out :)'

Basara says, 'like Nina said, rare spices are worth a lot... maybe collect a large quantity for reward...'

Basara says, 'heh.'

LadyAce points at her 'Immort = Killjoy' button.

Crusades Mobs vs others?

Maleficia says, 'LA how come crusades soldiers dont use kick or bash or any fight skills? theyre soldiers... and how come their xp is still really high for the skills they use.. i.e none'

Basara blinks.

Maleficia giggles.

LadyAce says, 'they follow the guidelines for 'default' mobs, essentially. Adding skills to them would give them an xp bonus, but it's not how I've built them.'

Maleficia says, 'not that i wanna ruin it for everyone else, but they are badass xp from 5th to 25th and basically dont do anything to ya, othern make ya bleed which if yer a mage sucks'

LadyAce says, 'they're soldiers, but they were working in the fields until they got thrown on to the battle field :)'

Maleficia says, 'ohhhh'

Maleficia says, 'so how come a parisian fop is worth the same xp but kicks and bashes?'

LadyAce says, 'that said, I've been tweaking them up to harder gradually.'

Maleficia looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'well, it's up to individual builders to some extent'

Maleficia says, 'and flees like mental'

Maleficia says, 'just seems rough that crusades is the only place to level if ya have a brain in yer head'

Maleficia says, 'why take the hard road when ya can get it all easy'

Maleficia says, 'bugger i gotta bail anyway, but yeah! have fun kids'

Maleficia waves happily.

Bows Should Require Skills?

Basara says, 'one question: Why have bow usage not require a preliminary skill, while throw needs one? it seems to me that throwing something is more intuitive than using a bow....'

Perigriene shakes his head in disagreement.

Nova nods his agreement with Basara.

Nova says, 'i agree bows should require a skill'

Perigriene says, 'makes sense.....'

Basara says, 'I just don't see someone just picking up a bow knowing how to use it... throwing should be the standard ranged attack...'

Perigriene says, 'although they do'

LadyAce says, 'hm, I'm not sure why we started out like that, it probably has an old reason and has been left because it didn't cause trouble....'

LadyAce raises her eyebrow at Kaige.

Basara nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'I think it was supposed to get one added with skill trees but I'm not sure at this point.'

Basara says, 'we can also make it combined with the poison skill so that you can coat or tip the throwing weapon with potion/poison, etc.'

Kaige says, 'and throw was a skill, because it's always a skill =)'

Nova says, 'yea hehe and firing a gun is easier than firing a bow, all you do is pull a trigger :P'

Perigriene says, 'I think bow should be restricted to ancient civs'

Basara shakes his head.

Nova nods his agreement with Perigriene.

Nova giggles.

Basara says, 'I say bows are all-time, with modern being less proficient due to reliance on technology'

Tazus says, 'i don't think so because my friend can shoot a bulleye from 50meters easy'

Perigriene says, 'nah, modern bows should be x bows'

Kaige says, 'well there we've got the problem that we have MINIMUM requirements for skills.. but no mechanism in place for MAXIMUMS'

Basara says, 'ahh.'

Kaige says to Perigriene, 'crossbows are a pretty old idea'

Basara nods his agreement with Kaige.

Perigriene says, 'but a good idea'

Basara says, 'crossbows used to be can openers...'

Basara says, 'for the armored knights'

Tazus says, 'modern bows should be like fiberglass with foam gripping'

Nova peers around intently.

Basara grins evilly at Tazus.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'fiberglass doesn't sound like something we had in the 1930s :P'

LadyAce says, 'not for bows anyway'

Basara says, 'but that's modern, not indus'

LadyAce says, 'and 1930s is as late as we go.'

Perigriene shakes his head in disagreement.

Tazus says, 'ahhh it would have been cool'

Perigriene says, 'modern bows should be a 3 arrow crossbow'

Basara says, 'autocrossbow'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Basara's head.

Modern/Future Areas?

Nova needs to make a year 2100 area

Nova giggles.

Tazus nods his agreement with Nova.

LadyAce giggles.

Nova says, 'i came back from the future'

Nova says, 'i know whats going to happen let me make an area!'

Tazus says to Nova, 'with laser guns and scalpels'

LadyAce says, 'we might consider a year 2100 area in about, oh, 2170?'

Basara laughs.

Nova laughs.

Basara says, 'will we be here?'

Basara says, 'or maybe we can upload our minds into our characters and have them keep playing?'

Nova says, 'what makes history more important if it happened 70 years ago as opposed to like 2 years ago? :P'

LadyAce says, 'perspective makes a whole lot of difference.'

LadyAce says, 'the parts of history that matter are often those that stick with us, that become a part of something more ongoing, and that teach us about ourselves or why something else happened....'

LadyAce says, 'it's hard to get any of that perspective on last year, or 10 years ago'

Perigriene nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Perigriene says, 'well put'

Alhambra No_Rent Item Question

Menion says to Kaige, 'ok for the alhambra there is a room with some coffins in it and i took one of the coffins cuz its a countainer then i rented and got back on and it was gone and i had a coupon and strings in it and am wondering why the coffins aren't rentable'

Kaige says, 'they're part of a quest. definitely not to keep'

Kaige nods her agreement with Menion.

Perigriene throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

ArchAngel laughs.

Menion sighs loudly.

Perigriene says, 'so, in essence it duped ya'

Kaige comforts Menion.

Menion says to Kaige, 'wish i would've known that'

ArchAngel says, 'dont you hate when that happens?'

Nova waves happily.

Kaige says, 'didn't we change offer for just that sort of thing?'

ArchAngel says, 'might not have..'

Kaige says, 'so that things that were no rent would show up as not rentable?'

LadyAce has created a coffin!

Perigriene says, 'no one uses offer anymore'

Perigriene says, 'not as much it seems anyhow'

ArchAngel says, 'very few people use it'

Kaige says, 'I do! I'm always riding the rent limit'

Perigriene nods solemnly.

ArchAngel nods his agreement with Kaige.

ArchAngel says, 'I know what you mean'

Perigriene says, 'I agree that very few people use it, save for the oldbies'

ArchAngel curses his freaking renty list

LadyAce says, 'the item doesn't show up when you offer'

LadyAce nods to herself.

LadyAce eats a coffin.

Perigriene says, 'hmmm, that's almost buglike...'

Perigriene smiles at LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'but we can probbaly also get something added to ID object and appraise for items that don't rent either.'

DTs to Eat Prize Strings?

Perigriene says, 'I was perusing the discussion board and saw an interesting point brought up by kaige, and also some interesting points'

Perigriene says, 'by ladyace'

Perigriene says, 'I think it was discussion topic 37'

Perigriene says, 'some good points brought up in there, I noticed a few psuedo ideas at the end of ladyace's paragraph.'

Perigriene says, 'I was wondering if any more thought had been put into these ideas?'

Perigriene says, 'particularily, will you change the code to 'eat' prize strings in a dt case?'

Perigriene says, 'just prize strings.'

Perigriene says, 'as, coupons, that are unused, may also be eaten in the same way?'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think anything has been decided.'

Dinah says, 'have them eat it all'

Dinah says, 'that way people look funnier when they dt'

Kaige says, 'well, right now, it depends on what the prize is.. if it's a zip, it does... it it's a special item created in area acts, but doesn't have the STRING flag, it will be... we've already had some like that in the world'

Perigriene says, 'well, I second the motion of prize strings being eaten. In rebuttle to your statement Dinah, i think items that are created using a coupon and immortal should not be eaten.'

Kaige says, 'so I'm not sure it's a new idea, that one. It'd be more if more games used those types of things as prizes'

Dinah says, 'immortals should be eaten too though'

Dinah giggles.

Kaige giggles at Dinah.

ArchAngel snickers at Dinah nastily.

Perigriene says, 'secondly.'

ArchAngel says to Dinah, 'I agree'

ArchAngel ducks to the ground.

Kaige takes off her jelly donut costume just in case Dinah gets any weird ideas.

ArchAngel laughs.

Dinah points out she is no DT.

Character Manager/Account System?

Perigriene says, 'Craven's question about the character manager'

Perigriene says, 'how much thought has been put into it?'

LadyAce says, 'none beyond what's on discussion, as far as I know'

Kaige says, 'something I've been asking for forever... for vastly different reasons.. and is made easier by the pfile changes Huginn made a bit ago.'

Kaige says, 'but it's still a hassle to retro fit at this late stage in the game, so I dunno if it'll ever happen.. I'd love it tho.. for a variety of reasons.'

Kaige says, 'definitely not a new idea tho'

Perigriene says, 'that could go to serious debate, and could be a very positive change. also would help with people like me who are terribly un organized at the best of times'

LadyAce says, 'I think that it's one of those system refinements that aren't high priority, but which somebody sometime might get really inspired and just pound out.'

Kaige says, 'and considering how long the pdirs thing took to make it in, I'm not expecting it soon'

Bonuses for Solo Lowbies?

Perigriene says, 'thirdly, I have a question (proposal) about some minor benefits being given to young (level 1-30) players who mobkill solo.'

Dinah says, 'isnt 1-30 easy enough as it is?'

Perigriene says, 'minor changes to the code, to recognize and reward a player who has the skill'

Perigriene says, 'ability to make it on their own.'

LadyAce says, 'I think our general strategy is to reward people who group...'

Perigriene nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'if we reward both grouping and soloing, there's a null gain.'

Perigriene says, 'I like to relate to your point about haves and have nots'

LadyAce says, 'we'd rather see people working together and interacting to make progress'

Dinah says, 'leeching?'

Kaige says, 'no.. finding someone of similar ability is MUCH more rewarding'

Dinah says, 'is it?'

Dinah didn't notice.

Dinah thinks soloing is best.

Kaige says, 'and on different levels, not just XP.. do you really think the Stag Monsters play a rewarding game?'

Dinah says, 'at those levels'

LadyAce says, 'the numbers are geared that way, as are the distributions of skills, plus social interactions.'

Dinah says to Kaige, 'hard to tell but many things were more fun back when you had no clue'

Perigriene nods solemnly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Dinah.

Dinah says, 'imagine going through life with no clue.. that'd be a lot of fun'

LadyAce says, 'progressively getting more of a clue is what helps it be fun :) and life is already that way, no wonder it's so much fun!'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Dinah.

Dinah says, 'oh'

Kaige says, 'no fun when you get all the clues dumped at once (DB) or get the same clues thrown at you all the time (leeching on the same runs all the time)'

Dinah says, 'DB is good enough if people would go explore the hints they find there instead of whining about not getting offered a rune circled ring for 5k'

ArchAngel says, 'whats annoying is when you get people time after time asking you for the runs directions so they can lead it INSTEAD of logging it'

Kaige nods her agreement with Dinah.

Happy Holidays to All

Perigriene says, 'I wish a very Merry Christmas Happy Holidays to all of the immortal staff and players at LegendMUD.'

LadyAce smiles at Perigriene.

LadyAce thanks Perigriene heartily.

Perigriene says, 'now where's my darn hot cider?!?!'

LadyAce giggles at Perigriene.

Perigriene giggles.

Kaige smiles at Perigriene.

Kaige thanks Perigriene heartily.

Perigriene says, 'no problem. :)'

Can We Set Stuff On Fire?

Dinah says, 'why is it so much of a trouble to set items on fire.. first you must give it to a victim and then burn him. i'd be nice if you could set items on fire in your inventory'

Kaige says to Dinah, 'cause generally people on muds are virtual packrats, not pyromaniacs.'

ArchAngel laughs at Kaige.

Dinah says to Kaige, 'but dont you want us all?'

ArchAngel says, 'but I AM a pryro...'

Perigriene giggles.

Phoebe says, 'I think that's a vast overstatement'

Phoebe says, 'MANY people on muds are pyromaniacs'

Phoebe nods to herself.

Burgen says, 'only because we cant burn things....'

ArchAngel says, 'I also tend to like nearing the points of death too but hey thats me'

Burgen says, 'a burn social would be excellent....'

Kaige says, 'we could change the wording of the junk command... but it might not make as much sense for some items'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

ArchAngel says, 'to what?'

Burgen says, 'That doesn't matter!'

Dinah says, 'its the watching things burn'

Dinah says, 'oh!'

LadyAce says, 'could make a neat item flag -- FLAMMABLE'

ArchAngel peers at Kaige, looking her up and down.

Dinah nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'to something fiery and bright and hypnotising like flames'

LadyAce says, 'then let people light anything that's flammable.'

Burgen says, 'that would be very cool :)'

LadyAce points at Dinah.

ArchAngel grins evilly.

Phoebe says, 'could make things burn with that neat thingy you use to get fire arrows firey'

Burgen says, 'make it a skill...'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'we have the opposite.. should just be used more'

Burning in Salem?

Dinah says, 'now we're talking about burning, once I had a great time getting burned in salem over and over.. now he's just throwing me out of town, was something changed or am I doing it different?'

Burgen says, 'how sad :('

LadyAce comforts Dinah.

ArchAngel laughs at Dinah.

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'Dinah wants to burn!'

Dinah nods solemnly.

Dinah says, 'its fun'

Sandra later noted it's a one per customer deal.

ETA On New Hell?

Phoebe says, 'speaking of burning'

Phoebe says, 'when's the new hell going in?'

LadyAce says to Phoebe, 'I don't think it's in full testing, or done being written...so it has a while to go'

Ideas for Cooking/Brewing

Kaige says, 'speaking of burning... you should have a chance of failure at cooking.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

ArchAngel nods his agreement with Kaige.

Phoebe nods her agreement with Kaige.

Perigriene nods his agreement with Kaige.

Perigriene says, 'good idea'

Burgen says, 'could there be a burning property for some items?'

ArchAngel says, 'that would be cool'

Dinah says, 'and you shouldnt be able to brew if you cant cook, or at least have troubles brewing'

Phoebe nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Dinah says, 'or bonuses'

Phoebe goes EEK! at Dinah in distress - isn't Dinah an awful person for teasing?

{flaming} a charred filet of rabbit

ArchAngel throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Burgen says, 'burning items could act as a light but lower youg maxhp'

Phoebe says, 'druids have enough trouble having enough pracs'

Burgen says, 'like that!'

ArchAngel throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Dinah says, 'not if they are true herbalists and not half mages'

Phoebe peers at herself myopically.

LadyAce says, 'would be interesting if non-tarans needed to have cook before brew....except tarans don't need more bonuses :P'

More REALLY Good Items?

ArchAngel says, 'I think there needs to be a really good perma-light sword with +dam and hard hitting'

ArchAngel nods to himself.

Phoebe says, 'permalight sword?'

Dinah says, 'rents for 51001'

ArchAngel nods to himself.

Perigriene says, '(flaming) (strapped to back) a long gas nozzle with attached holding tank.'

Kaige waves the Great Flaming Spork of Evil Death.

Burgen says, 'I think there needs to be a really good dex weapon :p'

Dinah says, 'make that 52'

Perigriene cackles gleefully at Kaige - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Phoebe says, 'it would be interesting to have some more outlandishly great items for outlandishly high rent'

Phoebe says, 'might make for some interesting experiements'

ArchAngel nods his agreement with Phoebe.

Burgen nods his agreement with Phoebe.

LadyAce says, 'well, we can't go outside our balance guidelines, no matter how much rent we charge.'

Burgen bursts into tears.

Dinah says, 'balance is overrated'

Perigriene chases the Great Flaming Chicken exuberantly, maniacally waving a Great Flaming Spork of Evil Death.

Phoebe says, 'isn't there one item that like, see invis, and a permalight, and some other great stuff, for like 12k rent tho?'

Perigriene says, 'oops'

LadyAce says, 'you might think it'd work out to just jack up the rent and make things more than the standard ... but people are amazingly good at figuring out ways to not lose very much in order to make use of a good item'

Phoebe says, 'i mean more stuff like that'

LadyAce says, 'you mean like, items no one uses? :)'

Phoebe laughs.

ArchAngel says to LadyAce, 'I made use of a sastram and had awesome stats with it so its not too hard'

Dinah nods solemnly.

Dinah says, 'more stuff to burn'

LadyAce says to ArchAngel, 'my point :)'

Phoebe says, 'i mean if there were more items similar to that they might get used, if not constantly, thats ok'

ArchAngel says, 'worse part is when I switch to a different list I always find myself short of stats....'

Perigriene says, 'I always thought the composite bow was underrated'

ArchAngel says, 'or a different weapon anyways'

Phoebe says, 'sometimes it's kinda boring to have the same old same old eq set to get the max stats, would be fun to have a variety of weird item to do some neat stuff with a char'

ArchAngel says to Phoebe, 'why do you think I change eq so much?'

Phoebe laughs.

Dinah says to Phoebe, 'there's a lot of wierd stuff, go use it'

Phoebe peers at Dinah, looking her up and down.

LadyAce says, 'there's definitely a few that should be used more than they are'

Phoebe nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'secondary attacks, resistences, odd weapons, etc.'

ArchAngel says to LadyAce, 'such as?'

Phoebe says, 'just sayin!'

Phoebe says, 'I dunno the whole mud by any stretch of the imagination, it's possible that there are already tons of things like I am thinkin of'

ArchAngel says to LadyAce, 'give me a weapon and standards to use and I'll find a good list to match it up to :P'

Dinah says to ArchAngel, 'a buggy whip'

ArchAngel snickers at Dinah nastily.

ArchAngel says, 'I need to rephrase that.. a GOOD weapon..'

Dinah says, 'ah'

ArchAngel licks a silver longsword engraved "Excalibur".

Kaige says, 'like beauty, I think GOOD is in the eye of the holder.'

Dinah says, 'but which weapons are good?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Dinah.

Dinah nods her agreement with Kaige.

Phoebe nods her agreement with Kaige.

ArchAngel says, 'bah'

ArchAngel says, 'good is dependant on the total hit/dam :P'

LadyAce says, 'I think combos with Q4 weapons are interesting'

LadyAce says, 'the idea being you can scrimp on your fight stat and buff up something else'

ArchAngel says, 'now to remember some of the good q4 weapons....'

Phoebe says, 'I know some chars that dun even carry a weapon'

ArchAngel snickers softly.

Phoebe says, 'kinda cool, if you like that sorta thing'

ArchAngel says to Phoebe, 'quite a few surgys dont'

Phoebe says, 'i ws thinking of augmentors'

Dinah says, 'healers are stupid'

Phoebe says, 'hard to justify maxing out the spirit on a surgie :P'

ArchAngel says to Dinah, 'if not for them we'd die on runs :P'

LadyAce says, 'I always end up going 30 rounds with a wild boar when I make a healer without a weapon :)'

Phoebe laughs.

ArchAngel says, '30 rounds?'

Dinah says to ArchAngel, 'dont know, I was on a run just now where I was the only healer'

Kaige giggles.

Phoebe says, 'if your fight stat is like 50 and you have no weapon it can take FOREVER'

Dinah says to ArchAngel, 'cure critting, we were fine'

ArchAngel nods his agreement with Dinah.

Dinah says, 'thats why you want dex'

Dinah says, 'or fire'

Dinah looks up into the sky and ponders.

Dinah says, 'who needs a knife if you have matches'

ArchAngel laughs.

ArchAngel nods his agreement with Dinah.

ArchAngel says, 'touche'

ArchAngel says, 'fire is the ultimate killer next to speed'

Kaige says, 'boars tend to roast better once they're dead tho'

Perigriene nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'unless you have a really big fire.'

Next Level to Five Game?

Perigriene says, 'I was just wondering when we could run another lowbie game, that was a lot of fun.'

Perigriene says, 'prizes for getting to level 5 first'

LadyAce says, 'which game is that?'

LadyAce says, 'ah'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'I could probly do one in January'

Perigriene nods solemnly.

Phoebe says, 'oh oh that reminds me'

ArchAngel says, 'you need to do something for like the most creative thing'

ArchAngel nods to himself.

ArchAngel says, 'like getting a cheap pretitle and all'

Dinah says, 'what pretitles are cheap?'

ArchAngel says, 'If I said that then I'd be giving ingame info'

Dinah says, 'oh stupid pretitles'

Capture the Flag?

Phoebe says, 'whats capture the flag?'

ArchAngel grins evilly.

LadyAce says, 'capture the flag is a pk'ish event'

Phoebe says to LadyAce, 'is there a help file?'

LadyAce says, 'teams of 5, fight to get flags, capture enemies, etc.'

Phoebe says, 'sounds much fun :)'

LadyAce says, 'no, I'm still working out how it's going to go, and what the zone will be like'

Phoebe says, 'cool beans'

Perigriene says, 'I think it would be cool to do up a zone with no descs just rooms'

Dinah votes for beowulf.

LadyAce says, 'It might need to get moved, too, if Sandra's pk tourney can only be that day.'

LadyAce says, 'I'll make a helpfile when I have more answers, I promise :)'

LadyAce knows she can make it work, but needs to nail down the specifics that everyone will want to ask.

Christmas Elf-Game?

Phoebe says, 'is there gonna be a christmas elf-game?'

Kaige says, 'I think Cheyla and Kae said they weren't going to do a Christmas Elf game.'

Phoebe nods her agreement with Kaige.

ArchAngel says, 'I can take a gander as to why... and thats actually a comment I'd like to put out'

ArchAngel says, 'If I'm given the commands and all I'll run a elf game :D'

ArchAngel ducks to the ground.

Phoebe says, 'actually'

Phoebe says, 'I'll be of work around christmas, and kidless'

ArchAngel cheers for Phoebe - huzzah!

Phoebe says, 'I'd be willing to help run an elf-game too if that is even a possibility'

LadyAce says, 'You could ask Kae and Cheyla'

Perigriene says, 'I think the ladies who do run it do a pretty good job'

Sandra says, 'after the last elf game, I'm not surprised in the least that they don't want to run one for christmas'

ArchAngel says, 'as of now I know for sure I'll be here through the end of the year'

Perigriene says, 'I dunno why everyone seems to think the immortals around here are incompetent. :P'

Phoebe tapes her mouth shut about that.

LadyAce says, 'I didn't take her offer as anything more than a kindness.'

Phoebe says, 'no one said they were incompetent'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Perigriene giggles.

Phoebe says, 'I know they dun wanna run another one'

ArchAngel raises his eyebrow at Phoebe.

Perigriene says, 'ahhh'

Phoebe says, 'I like the game'

Phoebe says, 'I enjoy it'

Perigriene nods solemnly.

Phoebe says, 'i know a lot of people do'

Perigriene says, 'yeah.....'

Perigriene says, 'it's fun if you know a lot of people'

LadyAce says, 'well, I don't think that the issues with it are related to anything you could help with....you could certainly offer, I spose :)'

Sandra says, 'People were very rude to them for the last one. And lemme tell ya, that game is a LOT of work. It takes up half of my recalltag file =P'

ArchAngel says, 'heres a idea... allow some games that makes the mortals be the ones in charge of running them like the elf-game'

Perigriene says, 'or if you have a certain kind of character......I like all the games here, I love recalltag the most though'

Phoebe says, 'hrm'

Perigriene says, 'it was fun even if you didnt win'

LadyAce says, 'players run trivias and scavenger hunts and various word games, those all work okay'

Phoebe says, 'all my chars have fun at the elf-games'

LadyAce says, 'the other games tend to take more imm-level commands.'

Kaige says, 'the problem is, with games like that.. it's not just the online time that's the time sink... it's the work that goes into the areafile before hand.'

Phoebe says, 'big soloish ones get stuff themselves'

Phoebe says, 'little ones and healers group up'

Perigriene nods his agreement with Kaige.

Perigriene says, 'I know....'

Phoebe nods her agreement with Kaige.

ArchAngel says, 'let me finish my thoughts first please?'

Kaige says, 'someone mentioned duck-duck-goose as not having been run in a while... even players could run that on their own'

Phoebe laughs.

Perigriene says, 'there is a new coder on the block though, correct? :P'

Perigriene winks suggestively at Kaige.

Perigriene says, 'get him doin some grunt work. :P'

Perigriene giggles.

LadyAce says, 'I think the new coder has his hands full with grunt work as is :P'

Phoebe laughs.

Kaige says to Perigriene, 'he's a coder, not a builder.'

Perigriene says, 'yeah he's a sharp cookie'

Phoebe says, 'he's really neat by the way'

ArchAngel says, 'for like the elf-games.. have the players be in charge of implementing the rules and suggest teh spots the mobs pop up at'

Perigriene says to Kaige, 'all we really need is a code imp'ed for ooc area to have recalltag though, right?'

Sandra says, 'nah, recalltag is in. I just need to work out some fairly recent bugs that popped up in it'

Kaige says to Perigriene, 'we have a recalltag game coded in acts.. not CODE... again.. builder work, not coding'

Phoebe says, 'someone tried to run it a bit ago and it dinna work'

Phoebe says, 'it was weird you could like, trans into the game and then do a time trans to anc and stuff'

Perigriene says to Kaige, '*nod* I see. :)'

Sandra says, 'yea, the socials are messing up. I gotta fix it. Just haven't had much time'

Sandra says, 'well, that was STraussy's goof ;)'

Perigriene snickers softly.

ArchAngel says, 'hes always messing up'

Phoebe says, 'oooer'

ArchAngel ducks to the ground.

Phoebe says, 'I like straussy'

Phoebe giggles.

LadyAce says, 'coulda been me too :P I tried to run the game not knowing it was broke :('

Perigriene snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'yea, it's some sort of social problem I need to find. It stopped working after we did the change to socials'

ArchAngel laughs.

Phoebe nods her agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says, 'but it shouldn't have, which is weird =P'

Kaige says, 'weird. if you mean the moods one.. it should have been transparent to mobs'

LadyAce says, 'other questions & comments & stuff?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'unless it was one of the socials itself that changed in wording, but I think I grepped for all those'

Dealing with Others & Putdowns

ArchAngel says, 'anyways I dont care bout my warnings I got so thats not a concern but as much as I can remember most if not all of my warnings came from thigns I said to players downplaying me and what not... any possibility on perhaps taking this mud BACK to the friendly environment of a couple years ago?'

ArchAngel begins to twitch nervously.

Phoebe says, 'how is it not friendly?'

Sandra says, 'responding poorly to those that downplay you is one of the reasons the environment has changed =P If you give what they give, it's a cycle'

Phoebe nods her agreement with Sandra.

ArchAngel says, 'its not friendly in the fact that I to get points through It requires ignoring people and I'm way too nice to ignore people'

Sandra says, 'there's ways to say what you need to say smartly, and amusingly, without getting into outright arguments over it'

Phoebe says, 'I've been here a pretty good while and the friendly helpfulness quotient seems pretty static but people have always complained about some etherical good old days when people were more helpful'

ArchAngel says to Sandra, 'what do you think I've done countless times?'

Sandra says, 'Yea, I've been here 8 years, I'm still wondering when those were ;)'

Phoebe giggles at Sandra.

Sandra says to ArchAngel, 'I've seen you get upset. You need to not let them see that. Most likely it's what they want'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Phoebe.

Perigriene says, 'actually'

Perigriene says, 'if I remember it correctly'

ArchAngel says, 'well you know how many times I've ignored things, or tried to just simple EXPLAIN things yet people still keep it going?'

Perigriene says, 'people were.....harsher...back then'

Perigriene says, 'i remember being a newbie and TerrorSpawn leading me into the middle of the ocean to drown'

LadyAce says, 'you hafta decide not to let it get to you, or learn to tune it out'

Perigriene says, 'because I kept asking for help on chat over and over'

Sandra says, 'I'd not bother to explain. Just a simple 'well we see things differently' either out loud or to yourself, then move on'

Dinah giggles.

Sandra giggles at Perigriene.

Dinah says to Perigriene, 'you deserved that one'

Phoebe nods her agreement with Sandra.

Phoebe says, 'you know'

Sandra says, 'why do you think Harkon chats about his sidhe tour? He used to do that to newbies'

Phoebe says, 'I hate ignoring people'

Phoebe says, 'but when i do and forget about it my stress level goes WAY down'

Perigriene nods his agreement with Sandra.

ArchAngel laughs.

Sandra says, 'I've never used the gag command. But I'm very good at pretending people don't exist =P'

Phoebe giggles at Sandra.

Perigriene says, 'I also remember much looting, and multi-killing'

Dinah nods her agreement with Sandra.

ArchAngel says, 'odd thing I never had trouple at all back when I first started'

Perigriene says, 'something you don't see much of these days'

LadyAce says, 'I've gagged very few people, ever. But like Phoebe says .... wow, it really makes a difference. :)'

Perigriene says, 'put it this way, agrabah dump used to be where you went to dispose of an enemy's special item'

Perigriene says, 'not just some place to stink up the south part of town'

Phoebe says, 'i just gagged one players alts and instantly i was happier and less snarky myself'

Perigriene snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'people act differently in a new situation'

Dinah says, 'i only ever gagged the voices in my head but that didnt seem to help'

ArchAngel says, 'gagging does but its only a half solution'

LadyAce says, 'the world one sees and feels as a newbie ... it's never ever going to be that way again for you, because you're not a newbie anymore.'

Phoebe nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Phoebe says, 'unless yer like me'

Dinah says, 'so sad'

ArchAngel says, 'if I've gagged as many people as whos annoyed me half the mud would be gagged'

Phoebe says, 'and you take forever to learn stuff'

Phoebe says, 'I'm still a total newbie in like 75% of the mud'

Phoebe laughs.

Sandra says, 'people have that many gagged =P I wonder how they even play'

LadyAce says, 'if it's literally half the people who come here ... you might want to look at how you bring stuff on yourself, really.'

Perigriene says, 'I stopped gagging people when I realized that half of them were my friends on alts. :P'

Dinah says to LadyAce, 'oh no, its not you, it them'

Phoebe rolls around laughing at Perigriene's joke.

ArchAngel says, 'la how in most cases to I come out to be?'

ArchAngel says, 'its like I help lowbies, dters, and basically everyone who needs it'

Dinah says to Perigriene, 'as long as you're not gagging your own alts'

LadyAce giggles at Dinah.

Reimb Progress?

Phoebe says, 'hows the whole returning peoples stuff from housing going?'

Kaige says to Phoebe, 'I have about 14 people to catch up with yet'

Kaige says, 'but going pretty well.'

Phoebe says, 'any reason why the mud was't restored to backup house file thingie as soon as the bug happenned?'

ArchAngel says, 'we need a game..'

Phoebe says, 'just curious'

Phoebe says, 'we all thought thats what would happen'

Kaige says, 'person with the ability to do it wasn't available to do so'

Phoebe says, 'ohhh'

LadyAce says, 'we restored to the closest we had, when we could, tho'

Phoebe nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'I tried to restore the objects, but they were gone. I managed to save the houses tho'

Phoebe nods her agreement with Sandra.

Phoebe says, 'hope everyone gets everything back'

Sandra says, 'people are being really good about returning things. I"m really proud of them for that'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'we've been really fortunate.'

Phoebe says, 'that rocks'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sandra.

Kaige says, 'and they seem to have had good intentions when they picked the stuff up too'

Phoebe feels way lucky she dinna have a house just then.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Phoebe nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'I think it's pretty obvious, if everyone is finding piles of 'free' stuff, that you're not going to be keeping that stuff :)'

Sandra says, 'one person picked up about 8 people's stuff and stored it in houses'

Phoebe says, 'that's way cool'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'try at least 25 people's'

Sandra says, 'oy, ok 25 people's'

Phoebe says, '*hug legend*'

Phoebe giggles.

LadyAce giggles.

Kaige got to sort it all.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce hugs Kaige.

Phoebe cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Sandra says, 'I was way under on my estimation of lost houses :/ I thought at most 14. But it seems closer to 30'

Burgen winces.

Phoebe says, 'what caused it anyway? the chars to be deleted anyway?'

LadyAce says, 'yea, there were only a few posted so I had hoped we were going to get off easy this time'

Sandra says, 'it was a problem with the monthly purge script'

Phoebe ponders her creative grammar.

Phoebe nods her agreement with Sandra.

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'something funky with the purge script and the new pdirs set up.. just wasn't happy'

Sandra says, 'yea, it threw a fit all over'

Sandra giggles.

Burgen comforts Sandra.

Sandra says, 'I spent way too long sunday morning looking for everything when I shoulda been asleep. Working 14 hours on 4 hours of sleep is unfun btw =P'

Phoebe comforts Sandra.

King Arthur Area?

Phoebe says, 'is there any reason why a king arthur camelot sort of area wouldn't be a good idea?'

Phoebe has seen Sword in the Stone maybe 40 times in the last week and is now curious. :P

LadyAce says, 'mostly that the area is pretty densely occupied relative to so many other parts of history/the world....'

Phoebe says to LadyAce, 'I dun understand whatcha mean'

Dinah says, 'why is that of importance?'

Phoebe says, 'you mean like physically, we have a lot of england stuff?'

LadyAce says, 'we're pretty limited in the range of the history and rp we support if we only had, say, history and myth of England :P'

Sandra says, 'I think someone tried to propose it once. I don't remember why we said no tho'

Phoebe nods solemnly.

Burgen says, 'but england is good!'

Phoebe says, 'would be much fun'

LadyAce says, 'England is good and all, but so are tons of other places.'

Phoebe nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'oh.. the arthur thing'

Kaige giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Burgen says, 'non england places don't count though :)'

Phoebe says, 'maybe just cause people are familiar with english legend a little more?'

Dinah isn't.

Kaige says, 'basically, we had a VERY specific type of Arthur area in mind.. a very historical Arthur, not a mystical one... and none of us ever had the time to do it right'

Phoebe nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'It was proposed once, and even started, but they never got very far with it and didn't stick around long'

Japan Area in Progress?

Burgen says, 'there is a japan area under construction right?'

Kaige says, 'not currently.'

Burgen says, 'really?'

Burgen says, 'can I make one then :p'

Kaige says, 'Llew and Satsu both each started one at one point...'

Sandra says, 'there's a china area, not a japan one'

Kaige says, 'but it's definitely up on the "feel free to propose one" list'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'next round of apps is March 1st'

Phoebe says, 'did piccolo start an area?'

Burgen says, 'Well I definately want to see one, and I'd love to be involved in creating it too...'

Sandra says, 'he's doing the ming dinasty'

Phoebe says, 'ohhh'

Phoebe says, 'cool'

Phoebe says, 'i keep thinking it would be fun to help with an area'

Phoebe says, 'or be a pr imm'

Phoebe says, 'but i can't ever commit more than like, 4 hours a week'

More Mid-level Combat Skills?

Burgen says, 'I still would like more combat skills at mid 20th level'

LadyAce says, 'I think that combat-related stuff is going to have to wait on a lot of other substantial changes'

Burgen says, 'maybe you could reduce the maxdam for kick and bash, and then have cooler skills that come in later.'

Burgen says, 'substantial changes?'

LadyAce says, 'it's part of the plan to revamp combat, but it takes a long time to do that sort of thing.'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'go ahead.. say it.. skill-trees'

LadyAce says, 'it's otherwise known as 'skilltrees''

Kaige ducks to the ground.

Phoebe laughs.

Dinah grins evilly.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'I was hoping to avoid it!'

LadyAce sighs loudly.

Phoebe says, 'i typed that twice and deleted it!'

Burgen says, 'Do we really need skilltrees though?'

Phoebe says, 'I was good!'

Dinah thought it twice and deleted it.

Kaige said it earlier. so the stigma of bringing it up first should have been gone

LadyAce says to Burgen, 'there you've gone and made me say it. every time we say that word, it takes another 6 months to write, I swear :)'

Phoebe says, 'wasn't it supposed to go in in like 97?'

Dinah says to Burgen, 'yes, I need to get rid of some skills I got when I was stupid'

LadyAce says to Burgen, 'once you start twiddling with one thing, you have to twiddle them all.'

LadyAce says, 'it wasn't in any shape at all to go in in 97'

Burgen nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Burgen says, 'will we loose skills we already have when it comes in?'

Phoebe says, 'I remember hearing "skilltrees has maybe two months of coding left"'

Kaige says, 'well, and then several people had a lot of great ideas for more skills and stuff'

LadyAce says, 'we've generally said that we'll wipe the skills people have learned when trees go in, because what they know won't mean the same thing anymore.'

Phoebe nods solemnly.

Burgen says, 'I'll never ever have a skill again :('

Phoebe says, 'maybe a pfile wipe!'

Phoebe ducks to the ground.

Dinah says to Phoebe, 'skilltrees is an imm conspiracy, they dont exist but we're made believe they do so we think they have some hard working to do at all times'

Phoebe says, 'all things are imm conspiracies'

Dinah says, 'ayup'

Burgen says, 'good old conspiricies'

Dinah looks up into the sky and ponders.

Phoebe says, 'those silly immies'

Phoebe says, 'nothing better to do than mess with our heads'

LadyAce says, 'If they didn't exist, I'd really rather say they didn't, rather than pretending they did :P'

LadyAce says, 'it's such a constant strain on people's credulity. No one likes to wait, and certainly not for this long.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Phoebe says, 'seriously, if they ever go in, will there be a pfile wipe?'

LadyAce says, 'no pfile wipe, far as I know.'

Kaige says to Phoebe, 'if we haven't done one in this long, it's doubtful we ever will'

Phoebe says, 'I think it would be good'

LadyAce says, 'we've always said skillwipe yes, pfilewipe no.'

Azeem says, 'do this skilltree's affect the spells aswell ?'

Kaige says, 'techincally. no.'

LadyAce says, 'I think the plan is to leave spells largely alone, although with mages less likely to have fight skills, we could certainly make spells more powerful on their own'

Burgen says, 'mages allready are powerful'

Sandra says, 'mages are powerful now because they can have both spells and fight skills. In trees, they have to choose'

Skilltrees ETA?

Phoebe says, 'okie i have to ask the dreaded question'

Phoebe says, 'any eta on skilltrees'

Kaige says, 'nothing new on that front.'

Phoebe rolls around on the ground with laughter.

LadyAce says, 'no, there's no eta, because no body is working on them.'

Phoebe says, 'ahh'

Phoebe says, 'make cipherz do it'

Burgen says, 'That would be good...'

LadyAce says, 'a lot of preliminary stuff is being cleared out of the way, so we do have progress'

Burgen says, 'but create mages will still rule the mud :('

LadyAce says, 'just not on the skill front'

Dinah says, 'create mages rule?'

Phoebe says, 'create mages are cool'

Dinah says, 'pah'

Azeem says, 'create mages ?'

Burgen says, 'stupid create mages...'

Burgen stomps the create mages under foot.

Perigriene smiles happily.

Azeem says, 'one day i have to create one of those mighty create mages then..'

LadyAce smiles at Burgen.

LadyAce says, 'thanks for coming by :)'

Burgen says, 'nice to chat to you all.'

Phoebe laughs.

Kaige smiles at Burgen.

Burgen says, 'nice to be here :)'

LadyAce says, 'I'm off to help somebody with a question :)'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

LadyAce waves happily.

Sandra waves happily.

Kaige waves happily.

Phoebe waves happily.

Phoebe says, 'nice fun!'

Kaige says, 'anyway.. dinner would be a good thing.'

Kaige waves happily.

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o At times I'm hitting 7 outta 8 times in pk or on a mob and with 25 to damage and only ineptly damaging them, not sure if thats even suppose to be possible, so I thought I'd mention it in case there was something quirky happening to the weapon.

All weapons have a chance to do from 1 to their max damage each time they hit. So yes, it's possible -- especially if you don't have +DAM, positional bonuses, or oppononent susceptibilities working to your advantage.

o Would it be possible to use redeems to obtain more practices?

Redeem points will likely never be given for things that directly provide an in-game advantage. The idea behind having a set number of practice points is to encourage specialization among characters and make it more difficult for any single character to be a master of all trades. Providing more through redeems, removes the distinctions between characters in the long run.

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