November 21st, 2002

Skin & Tailor Changes

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'I thought skin was a command that was part of tan or something -- no?'

LadyAce says, 'rather than a new skill that takes a prac'

ArchAngel says, 'yeah I dont understand that skin command...'

Kaige says, 'no. it was always set up as a separate skill'

LadyAce says, 'like skin something for its fur, is the idea'

LadyAce says, 'ah.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'yeah like tan is for hooved critters and makes leather, skin is for furry critters and makes hunks of fur or specialized items if the builder decides to go that way'

Burgen says, 'excellent: )'

Kaige says, 'I don't know why it got skipped over all those years.. everyone probably though t someone else was taking care of it'

Sigrid says, 'pure fighters need a chance to use all their practs too or whats the idea?'

Kaige giggles at Sigrid.

Kaige says, 'people complain there's nothing to mend FUR armor with...'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Teki giggles at Kaige.

Teki says, 'there's plenty!'

ArchAngel says, 'pure fighters can get the basic commands they need and then they have like 20 some commands left over when you get to 50'

Sigrid says, 'which is why skin, tan, and armwrestle is useful skills'

Teki says, 'well, i'm interested to see what's happening to tailor..'

Kaige says, 'basically, tailor matches the helpfile more closely now. =)'

Kaige says, 'since you couldn't actually make things out of fur before.'

ArchAngel says, 'myself I got 21 and like 6 not in use atm'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Sigrid wouldn't mind trying on your shoes.

ArchAngel says, 'MY shoes?'

ArchAngel raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Ways to Improve Skills

LadyAce tries to turn this into a Q & A topic -- What sorts of things might improve those skills for people who go and get them?

Sigrid says, 'youre saying the pracs dont come with the shoes?'

Burgen says, 'I never reach 50, so it hasnt ever been an issue for me...'

ArchAngel lost completely and totally lost

ArchAngel says to LadyAce, 'what might improve the skills? or lower the number of extra skills at the end?'

Kaige says, 'more skills to pick from, more uses for "worthless" skills out in the areas'

Teki nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'either/both -- you'd have fewer pracs at the end if they were all drooly'

Kaige says, 'problem is, those two are the most obvious, but take the most time to add'

Sigrid says, 'make skin needed to get a cheetah pelt?'

Burgen says, 'it would be nice if there was something to look foward to between advance fencing/sword play etc and expert...'

Teki nods her agreement with Sigrid.

Teki says, 'and tan for the bull's hide..'

LadyAce says, 'so level req in the late 20s/early 30s?'

ArchAngel says, 'that would make people get those skills but where else would you use them though?'

Sigrid says, 'uh?'

Burgen says, 'yeah...'

Sigrid says, 'i thought we could all look forward to be big and useful?'

Burgen says, 'I never have motivation to level after the mid 20's'

Kaige ponders a bunch of the trading quests that would be logical to use skin/tan.

Teki says, 'if you could use it to make armor of light equivs out of leather it would be useful'

Sigrid says, 'that'd be nice for small people'

LadyAce says, 'it'd be neat if there were a skill that did one thing when you were low level and something else when you were higher level'

ArchAngel says, 'it would be'

Burgen says, 'Re: lady ace, that would be very cool...'

LadyAce says, 'like, only a child could figure out how to program the vcr, but only an adult could figure out how to make money doing it. that kinda thing :)'

Teki says, 'the AC of the armour you make is dependant on level?'

Sigrid says to LadyAce, 'or make the skill such that if you dont learn to program the vcr while you're young you'll never learn it but have to get assistance from your kids?'

Martial Arts Skills?

ArchAngel says, 'heres a idea I always thought would be nice... a martial artist typa skill...'

Kaige says to ArchAngel, 'been on the plans for ages now... would be nice to have areas to set it in too.'

LadyAce says, 'I think we have too big of dreams for the martial artist skill for it to be easy to put it in'

ArchAngel nods his agreement with Kaige.

Burgen says, 'having an unarmed character would be fun...'

LadyAce says, 'the ideas I've heard for it give different schools and skills -- aikido for the dexy types, judo for the strength, etc etc.'

ArchAngel says, 'make a new homeland name japan or china and have that be the only area with the martial artist'

LadyAce says to Sigrid, 'well, I was trying to make it useful at all levels'

LadyAce says, 'tho maybe judo is more con than strength'

Sigrid says to LadyAce, 'i'm just trying to make it real'

LadyAce giggles at Sigrid.

Ea! says, 'Martial arts is about combinations -- str/mind, str/spirit, dex/mind, dex/spirit, con/mind, con/spirit.'

Burgen says, 'I'd like to see a hometown for martial arts then make it spi/perc based'

Ea! says, 'There might be perc ones, too, I forget.'

Sandra says, 'isn't judo more using their force against them? Sounds like a dex/mind thing =P'

Burgen says, 'but have that the only useful spi skills available to them'

Sigrid says, 'and who'd want to fight without an axe anyway'

ArchAngel says, 'like I said if you add the marial artist skill make a area like japan or china that is the only areas that can have them'

Burgen nods his agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'no, that's Aikido -- judo is a competitive sport'

Sandra says, 'it's not a 'skill'. It'd be a pretty big set of skills and types'

LadyAce says, 'judo is like, doing throws'

ArchAngel says to Sigrid, 'well for the marital artist there is various weapons to use with them'

Burgen says, 'thats true...'

Burgen says, 'but you don't have to be strong to throw'

LadyAce says, 'judo is about throwing people who know what you're trying to do -- it has a wrestling component, etc'

LadyAce says, 'so judo does take lotsa strength'

LadyAce says, 'but anyway, I think the point is that this is kind of a big project, big plans, and smaller stuff is more likely to go in faster'

Burgen says, 'fair enough... str mind would be convincing to me'

LadyAce thinks str/con :) but :)

LadyAce points at Sigrid.

Burgen says, 'if there is a japan area ever, I'd like to see an Iiajutsu skill. Like backstab that automatically cuts in when someone attacks you.'

LadyAce says to Burgen, 'you could put that in on the idea list with the idea command -- sounds interesting'

Handling Dollars?

Sigrid says, 'am I stupid or do you have to drop your bunch of dollars in order to get some specific notes from them, and then when you pick the bunch up they stack together again?'

Sigrid says, 'thus using the ground for money management'

Sandra says, 'you can get a specific amount out of it'

Ea! says, 'You should be able to just do things like "give 10 dollars foo"'

LadyAce says to Sigrid, 'I think it's a slightly odd syntax is all'

Sandra says, 'without dropping'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce has created one dollar!

LadyAce has created a five dollar bill!

LadyAce has created one dollar!

Sigrid says, 'i think I tried it with that icecream guy though, and it says that I dont have 1 dollar when I try to give it to him'

Sigrid says, 'even though I do'

LadyAce says, 'oh, it is complaining about my change'

Ea! says, 'Did you have exact change?'

Sandra says, 'you have to use dollars, not dollar. It's a yucky thing'

LadyAce gives 2 dollars to Sandra.

Sigrid says, 'inside the bunch of dollars there were some 1 dollar bills yes'

Sandra says, 'it'd be 'give 1 dollars ''

LadyAce says, 'yea, need correct change, but seems to work?'

LadyAce has created one dollar!

LadyAce has created one dollar!

Sandra gives one dollar to LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'you can see your change if you look in dollars'

Lorenzo misses his wallet.

LadyAce says, 'that's the odd syntax I was thinkin of'

Sigrid says, 'ok, i probably didnt remember the s'

LadyAce says, 'thanks for bringing it up'

Sigrid says, 'is it normal to talk about one dollars?'

Ea! says, 'No, it's just buggy.'

Sigrid says, 'ok'

Sandra says, 'it's just a Pia to fix'

LadyAce says, 'I'll put something into the help to specify that you must use dollars not just dollar'

Ea! says to Sandra, 'I can't remember -- is that my bug or yours?'

Sandra says, 'yours ;)'

Sandra taunts Ea! mercilessly.

Ea! says to Sandra, 'you could just add "dollar" as a keyword, I think.'

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra waves one dollar.

Sandra says, 'it is a kw'

Ea! says, 'To the pile, I mean.'

Kaige says, 'on the pile'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Sandra says, 'hm, I think there was a reason I couldn't'

Ea! says, ''cause other currencies might not have the same singular/plural thing.'

LadyAce says, 'I'll fix the help, and we can take it out if it stops being true'

Sigrid says, 'how come the ice cream guy dont have chance for a 5 dollar bill?'

Burgen says, 'Are coins so very different to dollars in that sense?'

Sandra says, 'he should have change for a 5'

Sigrid says, 'oh ok'

LadyAce says, 'dollars went in as part of some new currency code, and are handled a little differently'

Sigrid says, 'i must have tried it wrong'

Sandra says, 'I think he's got change all the way up to 20'

Burgen says, 'Ahh. Ok.'

Sigrid says, 'or maybe i didnt try'

Missing Exits in El Salvador?

Lorenzo says, 'did anyone see my bug this morning about the missing exits in El Salvador? It seemed to mysteriously resolve itself, so I was curious whether I'm dumb, on drugs, or causing things to be fixed....'

Lorenzo peers at himself myopically.

Kaige says to Lorenzo, 'that'd be the weather.'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Sigrid tried that too.

Kaige says, 'the room acts should be explaining what's going on'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'ah, neat, never seen that effect before'

Lorenzo shakes his head in disagreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'I didn't see 'em... maybe just not there long enough'

Kaige says, 'maybe'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'but still neat'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

How are PR Imms Different?

Sigrid says, 'Out of curiousity and to answer a conversation I had some days ago, what do PRs do that other imms cant do?'

LadyAce says, 'it's not so much a matter of powers as much as focus'

Kaige says to Sigrid, 'In my opinion, they can focus on the players in the game instead of worrying about doing a lot of things offline. Admins are kind of similar, but they have other things to do as well.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'our focus is on improving the community'

Sigrid says, 'so their only job is to serve?'

LadyAce says, 'we try to encourage a good atmosphere, we run events, that sort of thing'

Kaige says, 'not exactly... more like to FOSTER'

Sigrid grumbles.

Kaige says, 'or at least that's how Ptah and I originally saw it.'

Sigrid nods solemnly.

Sigrid says, 'it just seems that other imms do that when they like'

Sigrid says, 'but PRs do it for a living?'

LadyAce says, 'sure, something like that.'

Ea! says, 'Well, I might come and do a string now and again, but if you need help coming up with an idea for a string, PR is the right place to go...'

Lorenzo says, 'that's why they get the big bucks'

LadyAce says, 'everybody ends up doing warnings and dealing with rules from time to time too, but that doesn't make them admins'

LadyAce says, 'and builders/coders in particular can duck the online stuff if they need to, whereas PR and admin are frontliners'

Sigrid says, 'oh you can actually have PRs think up your strings for you'

LadyAce says, 'I've worked with lotsa players to develop string/desc ideas'

Sigrid nods solemnly.

Sigrid says, 'thinking on your own is almost to hard for us mortals'

Ea! says, 'Not so much "think up for you" as "help you think up..."'

Ea! says, 'At least, as I see it.'

LadyAce says, 'anybody can benefit from collaboration, though'

Sigrid says, 'of course'

LadyAce says, 'I do have people who have no inspiration, though, and so they're starting at 0'

Sigrid says, 'as in, make me a desc!'

LadyAce says, 'so I make observations about their current eq, desc or name, hometown, skills, try to give them direction in definiing an rp'

Sigrid says, '?'

LadyAce says, 'so if they say 'i have no idea, make one for me' -- I try to help them think along the lines that'll bring them an idea'

LadyAce says, 'PR people also get called in if there's a dispute and people don't want to involve "the rules" -- just work it out'

LadyAce says, 'so the mediation stuff can sometimes come more to PR than it does to other places'

LadyAce says, 'or we'll "suggest" it -- when people clearly have a problem, it's disturbing everyone, but it's not exactly a violation of rule 3, line 8, subsection 3a, if you see what I mean'

Sigrid says, 'yes'

Sigrid says, 'so you're doing what all imms do, but you it's all you do and thus you have more time for doing it?'

LadyAce says, 'I spose. I think it's more a matter of mental focus than of raw time'

Sigrid says, 'yes of course, if you say so'

Burgen says, 'I always thought that being PR implied that you were supposed to be very visable on the mud, to give people a chance to know there's someone to complain to'

Sigrid says, 'knowing you can complain is a bad thing'

Burgen laughs at Sigrid.

LadyAce says, 'visibility is important, sure -- I spend almost 0 time invis, and that's because of my pr focus'

Sandra says, 'whereas I'm always invis, so I can plot against you all without interruption'

Sandra nods to herself.

Burgen says, 'excellent :)'

Can Immorts Spy on Players?

Sigrid says, 'are there limits for the degree of imms spying on players?'

Burgen says, 'I love feeling conspired against.'

Sandra says, 'imms are not allowed to spy on players.'

LadyAce says, 'we only use those powers if we have good reason to believe something against the rules is going on'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Sigrid says, 'i mean possible or ethical limits'

LadyAce says, 'which I'm not sure if you'd really call spying.'

Sandra says, 'There's no need for a limit. It's not allowable. We'll hunt them down and do painful things to their toenails.'

Sigrid says, 'yes of course'

Kaige says to Sigrid, 'look at it this way.. one of the early early immorts saw his way out the door for sitting invis and laughing at people having mudsex... it's just not tolerated'

LadyAce giggles.

Ea! says, 'Rumors that Haley has requested that the Admin department be renamed the "Department of Mudland Security" and has enlisted one out of every four morts as a Narc are highly inaccurate.'

LadyAce says, 'do you have a particular concern that we could address directly, or just curious? :)'

Sigrid grins evilly.

Sandra giggles.

Sigrid says, 'curious'

Burgen says, 'thats a pity'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sigrid.

LadyAce says, 'I think that the character of the staff was really different when we were all in college or right out of college'

Sigrid says, 'i was having a shared paranoia trip a few days ago'

LadyAce says, 'we had a different kind of time then, I think.'

LadyAce says, 'ah, paranoia....'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'nah.. that guy was just an idiot'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'nah, I don't mean about that guy. I mean all of us.'

Kaige says, 'ahh'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Sandra says, 'I dunno, I'd been out of college 6 years before I came here ;)'

LadyAce says, 'we were in college or we had jobs where we could hang out online more easily. Less common these days.'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'k, but you used to be able to hang out online more easily in the old days :P'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'now you're a big worker and stuff'

Sandra says, 'yay go me'

Sandra says, 'course, I only work 3 days a week. SO I'm still online alot!'

LadyAce says, 'If you wanna be really paranoid ... if you use our computer to do it, we could possibly see it happen.'

LadyAce says, 'so if you want there to be no chance of anyone seeing something, use encrypted e-mail'

LadyAce says, 'but the reality is, we have no interest in figuring out other people's personal details, or messing with their lives. We catch cheaters/harassers, and the records for all that are private anyway'

LadyAce says to Sigrid, 'all seem to answer your questions?'

Sigrid says to LadyAce, 'if I can trust you it does.. but since you're part of the imm staff..'

Lorenzo says to Sigrid, 'see, that's the kind of sentence you just have to finish.'

Sigrid says to Lorenzo, 'why?'

Sigrid says to Lorenzo, 'at least they cant tape my thoughts'

Sigrid says, 'right?'

LadyAce says, 'well, there's not really a higher authority on this than us -- if you want to ensure your privacy, then you'd have to use strongly encrypted e-mail, and then only you, the FBI, and whoever figures out your password can read it'

Teki blinks at LadyAce.

Teki says, 'not even the FBI'

LadyAce says, 'and I'm not sure if it would help my credulity here or not'

LadyAce says, 'but the ultimate question is, what would it gain us?'

Sigrid says, 'no the ultimate question is, if you can then why not do?'

Kaige has enough to do.

LadyAce says, 'because we have way way more interesting things to do with our lives?'

Kaige giggles at Sigrid.

Teki giggles at Kaige.

Lorenzo says to Sigrid, 'no, the ultimate question is: if your faith is limited, and it bothers you, what are you doing here?'

Lorenzo shrugs helplessly.

Sigrid says to Kaige, 'thats just something you say..'

Kaige says to Sigrid, 'hehe.. I wish.'

LadyAce says, 'I dunno, do you spend a lot of time reading other people's e-mail?'

Sigrid says to Lorenzo, 'isnt it obvious? I'm being paranoid'

LadyAce says, 'it's not that hard to do, why not do it?'

Kaige gets enough junk mail without having to read someone else's

Teki says, 'well, all the immie staff could join SAGE, then they'd be bound by their code of practice''

Salvator only gets the LT anyway.

LadyAce says, 'we're bound by the imm code as it is, and if you don't trust us to act as we say we will, then no amount of other words from me would really help that.'

Teki says, 'oh. i didn't realise the immies had a code thingie'

Lorenzo shrugs helplessly.

Sigrid says to Raewyn, 'we're at the pocket paranoia to fill out your life part'

LadyAce says, 'help rights has a list of your rights as players, the imm code is posted on welcome'

Sigrid says, 'oh we have rights, nice'

Salvator says, 'we have rights?'

LadyAce says, 'check the helpfile'

Salvator smiles happily.

Teki says, 'not sure how legally binding an unsigned document would be'

Teki shrugs philosophically.

Sigrid says to Teki, 'what's stopping you from signing it'

Kaige says to Teki, 'about as legally binding as not having a playerfile one day'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says to Sigrid, 'you seem upset about something, though. If you want to take something up with somebody, any imm in any dept can hear your complaint or concerns in a private and anonymous setting'

LadyAce says, 'that goes for anyone and everyone'

Kaige says to Teki, 'if you mean holding the imms to that'

Sigrid says to LadyAce, 'no not at all'

LadyAce says, 'okie :) well, I guess I'm just not used to your ironical side.'

LadyAce says, 'does anybody else have questions, comments, concerns?'

Sigrid says, 'ironical side?'

LadyAce says, 'well, just all the sarcastic comments and stuff.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce thinks of you as sweet :)

Sigrid says, 'oh, sorry'

Sigrid laughs.

Kaige says, 'snarly, growly siggie-poo as sweet?'

Kaige giggles.

Kaige ruffles Sigrid's hair playfully.

Sigrid says to Kaige, 'I havent snarled in over an hour now!'

Sandra says, 'are you feeling ok?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Teki giggles.

Sandra peers at Sigrid, looking her up and down.

Kaige giggles.

Sigrid got rid of her cold.

Kaige cheers for Sigrid - huzzah!

Sandra says, 'so no more snarling?!'

Kaige wishes her allergies would go away.

Sigrid says to Salvator, 'not unless you deserve it'

Sigrid snarls angrily.

Sigrid says to Sandra, 'not unless you deserve it'

Sandra says to Sigrid, 'I'm head builder. I'm sure most think I always deserve it ;)'

Add-a-Color Coupon Question

Teki says, 'oh!'

Teki says, 'can we use add-a-colours to add colour to item's descs?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Teki.

LadyAce says, 'I edited add-a-color's help file after you asked that, over idea or somethin'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sigrid.

Teki beams at LadyAce delightedly.

OOC: commands, spells, skills?

Sigrid says, 'why can I group ooc?'

Teki says, 'excellent'

Sigrid says, 'or is grouping considered ooc?'

Raewyn says to Sigrid, 'why not?'

Sigrid says, 'but there's a lot of ic to it too'

LadyAce says, 'so people ooc can have conversations as a group'

LadyAce says, 'I think the command is more neutral than IC or OOC purely'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'it has so many purposes that it doesn't fit all that neatly'

Sigrid says, 'ok, but shouldnt ooc groups go poof when going ic then?'

Sigrid says, 'or is it too much trouble for nothing really'

Sigrid says, 'ok i'll stop babbling'

LadyAce says, 'well, I spose there's some ic convenience to it'

LadyAce says, 'but not like a huge influence on the outcome of a battle or something? Benefits are not so high to go chasing after it with code, I guess'

LadyAce says, 'maybe if it raised its head as a problem like spells have before, we'd think about it?'

Sigrid says, 'hm as for spells and ooc, i'd just like to state that its a bugger being a cause mage'

Teki comforts Sigrid.

Sigrid says, 'how come you cant go ooc when affected by for example sustained breath?'

LadyAce says, 'cuz it'd make the spell last longer'

Sigrid says, 'except that youre not using it while ooc'

LadyAce says, 'give you an ingame bonus -- spells in general are that way'

LadyAce says, 'but it ticks off and you'd have to recast it sooner if you didn't go ooc'

Sigrid says, 'what about some option to go ooc anyway but lose your preps'

LadyAce says, 'well, you're at an inn -- you can hit rent and then go ooc'

Sigrid says, 'but some spells you can take ooc and some you cant'

LadyAce says, 'we try to catch as many of them as we can'

Sigrid says, 'if you have worked on your skeleton army its not always that easy to rent'

Lorenzo says to Sigrid, 'get a little, lose a little'

Sigrid says to Lorenzo, 'you call 7 skelies and 3 saebels a little?'

Lorenzo says to Sigrid, 'I make no judgment'

Lorenzo waves vaguely at the OOCness of the room, but drops it.

LadyAce says, 'then you could use OOC to clear blind but not lose charmies either :)'

Sigrid wouldnt know ooc either.

Sigrid says, 'that leads to, charmies regenning while you're sitting ooc that seems wrong too'

ArchAngel says, 'who says you have to lose blind...'

ArchAngel says, 'and one though to the charmie thing is make their regenning based on rather the owner is ooc or not'

LadyAce says, 'which leads to the realm of what it's easy for us to check on. I guess if we saw that being used as an abuse fairly often, we'd see about figuring it out'

Sigrid says, 'well I always need mana worse than regenned charms'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sigrid.

Sigrid says, 'ok, dont let my babbling keep you away from you dinners'

LadyAce giggles.

ArchAngel snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'No, I think you have interesting stuff to say :)'

LadyAce is here for YOU.

LadyAce giggles.

Sigrid says, 'must be because I came to the point were my brains are sleeping but I am not'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce hugs Sigrid.

ArchAngel says, 'I'm like that 90% of the time and find my self in dangerous conditions...'

LadyAce recommends sufficient sleep as the first bulwark against insanity.

ArchAngel snickers softly.

Sigrid recommends insanity against sleep.

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o When a character is archived or purged, does their name remain on friends or allegiances lists as friend or enemy, accepted or rejected?

Only until the next time the person logs in. For clans they stay on the list until the next reboot.

o When will the next PK Tourney being held? Is there even going to be one? If not, can we have one?

We currently don't have one planned, but the question was passed along to LadyAce so she's aware of the desire to have one. Perhaps one of the PK clans would like to sponsor one?

o Why can't the MAGE and SURGEON skill systems be simpler, instead of having to learn like 10 skills for mage and 5 for surgeon, cut it down a little bit?

One of the things we were trying to achieve with the way the skill system on Legend works, is so you could tailor your character's skills in ways that were interesting and not have them be identical to everyone else's. With lots of choices, there is also less chance of everyone being a master of all trades and more specialization is possible.

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