August 29th, 2002

Low Level Runs?

Mounty says, 'i ask this over chat as my alt... well there ver be a place for lower lvls like lvl 10+ to run? like pd or sl'

Axis says to Mounty, 'there already is'

Mounty says to Axis, 'what is it?'

Robar says to Mounty, 'i'd say there are places where lvl 15 lvl as fast as lvl 49 does in pd'

Nithrell wonders what point there is to that, there a whole MUD's worth of level 10+ stuff out there.

Axis nods his agreement with Robar.

Mounty says, 'true'

Kaige says, 'I don't know of any specific plans for as low as 10, but I know I want to do one that's more focused on 20-40 since that's where we're so weak in mob variety anyway'

Kaige says, 'but like I said earlier, I haven't gotten a lot of time to put toward it.'

Mounty nods his agreement with Kaige.

Varying Skill Reqs

Freja says, 'just wondering from recent experience if it's on purpose that certain skills have different prereqs dependent on the skillteacher or if it's a bug?'

Kaige says to Freja, 'aha.. i saw that one and was looking at it to write up the answer for the log...'

Freja says to Kaige, 'ooh, sorry for asking twice then!'

Freja says, 'could be a reward for the traveller, just never met it with a skill before'

Kaige says to Freja, 'that particular one looks like the builder wanted you to be a somewhat accomplished herbalist type before you could waltz in and learn one of the more powerful skills'

Freja nods.

Kaige says to Freja, 'no problem. doesn't matter to me where I answer it. =) here's as good as there'

Freja says to Kaige, 'should be mentioned in the helpfile, i think, maybe, not sure, confused!'

Strange Mood Action Messages?

Nithrell says, 'I have one, with these social moods do you plan to refine them down to using only specific words, like quietly, instead of almost a whisper or are you going to be leaving them broad like that and changing the socials'

Kae says to Nithrell, 'we're working on it, I spent 5 hours going over them all for bad tags two days ago'

Nithrell nods quietly.

Kaige says to Nithrell, 'we've also gotten a few of the other funky little cosmetic bugs worked out of it as well... but like Ea said on the discussion board about it... suggestions for making the phrases work better are welcome on the idea channel'

Nithrell is an experienced coder, pitty he isent an imm. Wink Wink, Sly sugestive thoughts... swinging watch... sleepy... tired...

Nithrell lies down and goes to sleep.

Craven says, 'is there anyway we can turn them off while still having a mood?'

Axis nods his agreement with Craven.

Robar nods with pride.

Axis says, 'that would be nice'

Craven says, 'they are more annoying then pretitles in channels'

Nithrell shudders.

Craven says, 'I had a kick line that was almost 3 lines long earlier'

Axis rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Craven chuckles politely.

Nithrell says to Kaige, 'nice, thats great, so i just idea them then, thats cool. i was wondering if we had any input in the changes, well... thats all my questions done.'

Fixing Two-handed Bows?

Craven says, 'when are you going to fix this crap with 2 handed bows :)'

Kaige says, 'We did.'

Craven says, 'you did?'

Kaige says, 'yes. the fact that some bows were not 2-handed was the problem. fixed.'

Axis rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Turning Moods Off?

Craven says, 'and will you make a config to turn that stupid new crap off'

Craven says, 'its just too spammy'

Freja says to Craven, 'which part of the welcomeboard was unclear'

Craven says, 'so I can STILL have a mood'

Craven says, 'and not kick with 4 commas in it?'

Kaige says, 'There is a config to turn seeing moods off.'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'I think he means only the new stuff -- he wants to see speech moods but not action ones...'

Craven says, 'which looks gramatically HORRIBLE'

Ea! says, 'And he's out of luck.'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'oh.. well, yeah.. either moods on or off.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Axis nods his agreement with Ea!.

Craven sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'fine'

Craven says, 'why were those added'

Kae says, 'well, there is the normal mood'

Kaige says, 'why not? and people have been asking for it forever'

Freja thinks it's a good idea, however much tweaking it needs.

Craven says, 'I played this game for years without moods, I started to finally use them and they were ruined, no biggie to go back without them'

Lawrence will love it once it's debugged.

Freja nods her agreement with Lawrence.

Craven says, 'no biggie, just figured it would be nice to cater to as many people as possible'

Axis nods to himself.

Craven says, 'apperently thats not possible'

Kaige says, 'well, making it more flexible is one way of doing that.'

Craven says, 'its not more flexible'

Craven says, 'its more spammy with no way to turn it off'

Craven says, 'flexible would mean you could turn it off'

Craven says, 'having a kick have more lines then the round seems moronic to me, but I"m sure some people are tickled pink by it'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says to Craven, 'it'd be more flexible if people could turn off seeing emotes, too, but it would remove from the atmosphere of the game.'

Kaige says to Craven, 'well, you'll just have to set your combat mood to normal when we get that separated out.'

Craven says, 'you can turn off seeing emotes'

Craven says, 'you can make the color of emotes the same as your background color'

Axis nods his agreement with Craven.

Adamar says, 'that is not turning it off...just hiding it'

Craven says, 'and emotes are not seen EVERY 2 rounds or EVERY time you say'

Kaige says, 'and then like on chat when you have soemone gagged you get lots of blank lines and holes in the conversation... but again.. your choice.'

Freja says, 'could use temp moods?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Freja.

Axis says, 'temp moods are too much work'

Craven says, 'its something that will be seen many, many times in an hour, I don't see why it can't be turned off'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'but like I said, whatever'

Craven says, 'you have priorities and last time I heard them I about cried, so please god don't state them again'

Freja says to Axis, 'not if you want to use moods rarely'

Seeing Warnings?

Mounty says, 'how do i see what warnings i have?'

Craven says, 'type warn'

Axis says, 'type warn'

Mounty says, 'You have no warnings'

Mounty cheers, apparently drunk!

What's GROUP PC Do?

Mounty says to Kaige, 'whats group pc'

Freja says to Mounty, 'allows you to see the player characters in your group, without seeing charmies and such'

Mounty nods, clearly inebriated.

Kaige nods her agreement with Freja.

Mounty thanks Freja, clearly inebriated.

Kaige says, 'HELP files are good things'

Mounty says, 'help files confused me... i had to bug cheyla nad ladyace soo much when i first got here.. but then again i was also 13 :P'

Next Imm Round?

Lilian says, 'when will the next round of imm proposals be put out?'

Lilian says, 'I mean, when can we next apply?'

Kaige says to Lilian, 'deadline is the first so after that'

Sandra says, '6months after sept 1'

Lilian says, 'I won't be able to get it on in by the 1st'

Lilian says, 'that would be cool'

Kaige says, 'ahh.. March 1st'

Lilian says, 'oooh, 3 days before my 33rd birthday'

Lilian flexes her bulging, impressive muscles.

Sandra giggles.

Long Rambling Discussions

Craven says, 'look, not to bring up an "old" days discussion, but imms used to be visible A LOT more'

Adamar says, 'that doesn't mean imms have to have office hours all the time'

Craven says, 'now I understand you all have lives etc.'

Dias-Jax says to Sandra, 'just cause you's old :P'

Sandra says, 'well, I'll be totally honest with you'

Craven says, 'but I can't believe you ALL just one day decided that being invis was the cool thing to do and that you ALL had to be invis as much has humanly possible'

Sandra says, 'I quit being vis so much because I got tired of listening to constant complaints about things. Mostly whining about suchandsuch being too hard to solo, etc'

Sandra says, 'frankly, I don't really give much care to listening to that'

Craven says, 'so tell them to stop?'

Robar says to Craven, 'stop!'

Sandra says, 'I have better things to do with my time. So I choose to stay invis to do that'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Kheldar nods his agreement with Sandra.

Dias-Jax says, 'If I could solo Sandra mobs, they wouldn't be Sandra mobs, they'd be no fun'

Kheldar says to Sandra, 'like building on my area'

Craven says, 'it sucks for the rest of us that need something serious or semi-important when we can't find anyone because some idiot who thinks he should be able to solo klien by himself with 3 hp is pissed he can't'

Sandra says, 'when I'm sent mail, it says in bright blue "You have mail."'

Freja haven't met any of those.

Craven says, 'how do we even know your on?'

Sandra says, 'if I'm actually in window, I'll get it and respond immediately'

Sandra says, 'I'm usually on all week. I work weekends'

Craven says, 'I e-mailed zandy 6 weeks ago and it still hasn't been fixed!'

Craven says, 'I don't trust mail'

Freja says, 'give it a shot:)'

Sandra says, 'so there, now you know :)'

Dias-Jax says, 'Zandy forgets to receive his mail lots'

Dias-Jax nods to himself.

Craven says, 'oh he received it'

Craven says, 'he responded to it and said he'd get back with me'

Craven says, '6 weeks ago'

Sandra says, 'he's been extremely busy with rl lately'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'you've not really been here as long as you think if you don't know that sandra lives online... shes on more than almost any 3-4 of the rest of us combined ;p'

Craven says, 'and I don't even care that he didn't do what he said'

Sandra suggests reminding him.

Craven says, 'its just the point, mail is unreliable'

Craven chuckles politely at Kheldar's feeble witticism.

Kaige says to Sandra, 'hehe. I suggested that too.'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'I see sandra's alts all the time, the ones I know'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'so thats one?'

Kaige even sent email about it too.

Craven says, 'besides, its hardly proper to talk to sandra's alts about sandra type crap'

Sandra says, 'yea, but don't bug sandra's alts about stuff, coz sandra gets angry'

Adamar says, 'sandra alts....half newbies, half wrath of gods'

Craven laughs at Adamar.

Craven says to Adamar, 'those are her mobs'

Kaige says, 'Also, just because you only see a builder visisble, doesn't mean they can't ask other people who might be online if they have time to help with a specific problem. I know I feel like i'm pulling teeth at times to find out what someone wants/needs, when a simple 3 sentence mudmail would have been much simpler and they've have gotten their answer and not have frustrated themselves repeatedly asking on chat is so-n-so was around'

Freja says, 'yeahm but there's a fair chance sandra's invis when an alt is on, I'd suppose.'

Craven says, 'fine'

Craven says, 'so your all invis'

Craven says, 'what about pr'

Craven says, 'their job is Public Relations'

Ea! says, 'bart asks me to unpurge people all the time.'

Craven says, 'shouldn't they be vis a bit?'

Ea! says, 'Player Relations, but, yeah...'

Dias-Jax comforts Ea!.

Craven says, 'fine, player relations'

Adamar nods, whining.

Craven says, 'and you know what? Player Relations can do most things...'

Kheldar says, 'and I know Choc helps me frequently with admin issues when someone asks me'

Craven says, 'apperently you don't get it'

Ea! says to Dias-Jax, 'I don't mind at all.'

Craven says, 'probably because you aren't a mere mortal, it seems so easy :)'

Adamar says, 'we live in an age when microwave popcorn is too damn slow...that's why'

Craven says, 'ask some questions people'

Craven says, 'Its a multi user game'

Craven says, 'I like to talk to people I"m discussing issues with, problems I"m having, or killing mobs'

Craven says, 'not writing out digital mail to some invisible higher being'

Adamar says, 'well, i still think customer service here is a lot better than lots of real companies'

Craven says, 'apperently that makes me a bad person'

Craven says, 'and I don't see how invis imms helps player/imm relations'

Craven says, 'which has never been all that great...'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'not a bad person, just means you need to learn to be patient when the staff cant instantly jump on it'

Adamar says, 'just curse on chat a bit, they will appear quick'

Craven says, 'but it goes up and down'

Dias-Jax says to Adamar, 'you don't know the half of it :P'

Craven says, 'they don't appear, they warn you and go afk again'

Kheldar bonks Adamar on the head!

Craven says, 'unlike us, when they attack someone they don't go vis :P'

Kheldar whispers quietly to Adamar.

Adamar whimpers to Kheldar.

Kaige says, 'warnings are hardly attacks'

Kaige rolls her eyes heavenward.

Craven says to Kheldar, 'so hows your area coming'

Craven cackles gleefully at Kaige - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Craven says, 'they are very sneaky attacks'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'putting finishing touches on it and trying to get it through review presently'

Craven says, 'I've found warnings I didn't have 3 months after it happend'

Craven says, 'you really should mudmail us after warning us'

Dias-Jax says to Kheldar, 'whatcha workin' on?'

Craven says, 'didn't know I had'

Craven peers at himself myopically.

Kheldar says to Dias-Jax, 'a medieval sea trade area'

Kaige says, 'I usually do if it's not clear from the warning itself.'

Dias-Jax says, 'Cool'

Craven says, 'woo hoo, more med areas :)'

Osler looks up into the sky and ponders.

Adamar says, 'medival as in colonial age or earlier exploration age'

Craven says, 'better then nothing, anyway'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'actually its trans in and out only'

Dias-Jax says, 'Need more indus areas really, so very little to do in indus anymore, rarely go there'

Craven says, 'and Romania is a super area'

Craven says, 'areas wax and wane in popularity'

Craven says, 'indus will live again...maybe'

Craven says, 'I don't know if any imms are making indus areas'

Craven says, 'I think london was getting redone once...'

Kaige says, 'still in the works'

Kae was and will return to it once Hell is in.

Adamar says, 'i have complaint about romania area, elite guards should get a raise'

Craven says, 'but much like a 2nd song of the same title, it is rarely as good as the original :)'

Kaige giggles at Adamar.

Dias-Jax chuckles politely at Adamar's feeble witticism.

Osler says, 'i like industrial..'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Adamar.

Osler says, 'what's the big deal about imms not being vis anyway?'

Kheldar says to Adamar, 'I actually thought about that when it went in.'

Adamar says, 'peopel dont' even bother to collect salary and most don't even realize you can'

Craven says, 'Osler is nice, but it hasn't had a new area in a very, very long time.'

Osler says, 'if someone has work someone has work'

Lilian nods her agreement with Craven.

Dias-Jax says, 'I DO like Indus, I just think it needs more stuff to it, there's a lot more that could be done with indus given our present day knowledge and what not, it could REALLY be nice'

Osler says, 'they don't even need to log on if they didn't want to'

Craven says, 'there isn't much to do in indus'

Craven says, 'most gear, quests, mobs, etc. is in Med, and to a lesser degree ancient'

Osler says, 'hehe indus levels me :P'

Craven says, 'look at the gear your wearing'

Adamar says, 'i like the indus prostitutes'

Craven says, 'in theory 1/3rd of it should be from indus'

Craven says, 'I doubt mine is'

Kaige says to Adamar, 'which ones?'

Kheldar says to Adamar, '*nod* well thats the difficulty of an inflated economy... 50 gold per month is a huge salary for a soldier but worthless in our game size... I honestly didn't even expect anyone to test to see that I actually coded it'

Dias-Jax says, 'Carni's great, I love it, Operah house, bart did wonderful, but other areas are old and worn out, nothing new to play with or find out'

Adamar says, 'macao'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Adamar says, 'whores and priest next to each other...'

Craven says, 'wraith's area was popular until he destoryed it by making it kill newbies and the mobs that were good xp kill newbies'

Lilian says, 'there's so much that could be done with Asia'

Craven says, 'basicaly if your a newbie, go there for a good time :)'

Lilian says, 'in all timezones'

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with Lilian.

Kaige nods her agreement with Lilian.

Kaige says to Lilian, 'isn't for a lack of wanting'

Craven says, 'I think casablanca is still good xp, but I'm sure thats on the list to destroy...'

Lilian nods her agreement with Kaige.

Dias-Jax says to Craven, 'it is, but it'

Dias-Jax says to Craven, 'still boring :P'

Lilian says, 'perhaps i'll put in an area proposal for Asia'

Sandra says, 'I need to find the time to get back to Silk Road'

Lilian smiles happily.

Lilian says, 'I'll think about it'

Craven says, 'the desert area would be cool if it had anything useful in it'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Sandra.

Lilian nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'is the summer oddessy done?'

Kheldar says to Sandra, 'personally I still think an Ottoman Empire would be cool ;p'

Craven says, 'if not I suggest fixing the casablanca desert area'

Sandra giggles.

Lilian says, 'could do lots of old testament stuff'

Kaige says, 'Breton's been working on redoing that, so if you have ideas along for him'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I don't have any ideas'

Craven says, 'I just was suggesting it'

Craven says, 'the only thing people use there is the oasis'

Kae spams him weekly.

Kae grins at herself. You must wonder what's in her mind.

Craven says, 'I guess he sells some herbs'

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with Craven.

Dias-Jax says, 'Fuzar has some uses, but not many'

Dias-Jax says, 'Hell, I didn't even know there was an inn there til like 2 weeks ago'

Dias-Jax snickers softly.

Craven says, 'and if he's revamping casablanca...no more xp mobs :)'

Craven says, 'soon we'll be forced to go to pd'

Craven cheers wildly!

Craven says, 'is barts new death area good xp?'

Kaige says, 'go find out.'

Kaige winks suggestively at Craven.

Craven snickers at Kaige nastily.

Dias-Jax says, 'Extremely good XP< if you can make it through the first room'

Kaige smiles at Isam.

Lilian says, 'isn't it sad? I'm Australian, but can't think of much Australian history that would make an excisting area'

Craven says, 'I don't do areas taht need 5 or more people to have a chance to survive'

Lilian sighs loudly.

Lilian says, 'our country's too young'

Craven says, 'kangaroos are interesting'

Dias-Jax says to Craven, 'you need 5 or more tanks to have a chance to survive, along with about 4 surgeons and druids :P'

Adamar says, 'what country is htat'

Craven says, 'lilian is interesting'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'if you go there with just 5... that chance will be very slight'

Craven grins evilly at Lilian.. wonder what he's thinking...

Lilian says, 'poor kangas are starving because of the drought at the moment'

Lilian winks suggestively at Craven.

Craven shrugs in response to Kheldar's words.

Isam says, 'ujm'

Craven says, 'builders are too obsessed with beating each other these days'

Isam says, 'sewers are...'

Isam says, 'evil'

Craven says, 'I hope those of you here building aren't doing the samet hing'

Craven says, 'the trend is to make harder and harder mobs and areas, while characters keep getting weaker and weaker :P'

Lilian says, 'new Zealand could be an idea...with all the maori tribes, etc'

Craven says, 'make us weaker, but quit making eviler mobs'

Craven grumbles.

Sandra nods her agreement with Lilian.

Isam says, 'why? mobs are easy'

Craven says to Sandra, 'its all your fault'

Craven grumbles to Sandra.

Sandra says, 'isn't mine. I don't compete ;)'

Craven says, 'you started this crap!'

Sandra just does her own thing.

Craven says, 'though you didn't start the large death areas, thast rufus...'

Craven says, 'you probably had a hand in it though :)'

Kheldar says to Sandra, 'I don't know... that dt in salem always did trick me into it'

Sandra giggles.

Craven says, 'everyone has hit that dt at least once...probalby even sandra'

Isam grumbles frostily to Sandra.

Sandra nods her agreement with Craven.

Dias-Jax says, 'Hey now, I've hit every DT BUT that one!'

Isam says, 'hatefull spitefull evil well'

Craven says, 'I'm not sure how...'

Sandra says, 'I hit it with Lori ;)'

Kaige nods her agreement with Isam.

Kheldar says to Craven, 'I playtested it sadly... I should have known better'

Craven says, 'I hit your dt kheldar...'

Craven says, 'before it was LIT'

Craven grumbles to Kheldar.

Craven says, 'I got reimbursed though :)'

Craven says, 'its mean to type exits and see its too dark to see, then go in it and lose everything'

Lilian says, 'ooh, Japan!'

Lilian says, 'Japan would be excellent'

Sandra nods her agreement with Lilian.

Craven says, 'Samari'

Dias-Jax says to Lilian, 'Seriously'

Lilian nods her agreement with Dias-Jax.

Isam says, 'there is some discrepency over Japan'

Isam snickers coldly.

Kaige says, 'yup. been started twice, never finished.'

Dias-Jax says, 'Japan, China, ninja's, samurai, monks'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra giggles.

Craven says, 'monks are great'

Craven says, 'but they'd have to install martial arts'

Craven says, 'so thats a negative'

Dias-Jax says, 'There's TONS of stuff that could be done with it, if you get the right builder who has the time and patience to work it all out'

Lilian says, 'there's so much to choose from it would be difficult to decide what to concentrate on I guess'

Craven says, 'do canada!'

Dias-Jax says to Craven, 'naw, just monks as mobs and stuff is what I mean'

Craven says, 'then we could have a hockey rink to counter that baseball stadium that won't shut up :P'

Dias-Jax says to Lilian, 'well it's not like there isn't room for expansion'

Lilian grins evilly at Craven.. wonder what she's thinking...

Isam shrugs icily.

Isam says, 'most zones here are painfully small'

Dias-Jax says to Lilian, 'start with what is most interesting, move on from there'

Craven says, 'you could have a penalty shot'

Kaige laughs with amusement.

Lilian says, 'Japanese mythology is really amazing too'

Craven says to Isam, 'most of the small areas are the best'

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with Lilian.

Kaige says to Isam, 'you're joking right?'

Isam says, 'with too many loops that create the myth of size'

Craven says to Isam, 'when they start spreading out, they spread out their creativity too'

Isam says to Kaige, 'nope...'

Craven says, 'Romania is one of my favorite areas, and its nice and small...'

Craven thanks Kheldar heartily.

Kaige says to Isam, 'on most muds I've been on the areas are like 30-40 rooms. Most of the ones here with the exception of the port of london are 100-200'

Dias-Jax says to Kaige, 'Isam doesn't kid, he's no fun'

Dias-Jax sticks his tongue out at Isam. =P

Isam snickers at Dias-Jax icily.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lilian says, 'I think Crusades is quite amazing'

Craven says, 'its only good xp from like level 10-20 and has no real use after that but quests...I still like it :)'

Dias-Jax indicates that Isam should tug on the other end of a pair of pointy elven ears.

Lilian says, 'so much detail in descriptions and stuff'

Lilian smiles happily.

Isam says to Kaige, 'i'm used to 100 or so per zone'

Isam says to Kaige, 'maybe its because we have so many moves that these seem small'

Kaige nods her agreement with Isam.

Craven says to Kaige, 'are you in charge of san fran?'

Isam says, 'so nerf mvs and fly'

Dias-Jax says to Lilian, 'lotsa places on this mud could be REALLY detailed, but unfortunately, they dun all have time to be, would be nice though, wouldn't it be?'

Kaige says, 'oops meant to nod before that'

Kaige says to Craven, 'check areainfo frisco'

Craven says, 'god :P'

Lilian nods her agreement with Dias-Jax.

Kaige nods her agreement with Dias-Jax.

Craven says, 'you typed what....22 characters?'

Craven says, 'yes is 3, no is 2 :P'

Dias-Jax says, 'I'd imm, but I'd have to LEARN to build first'

Ea! says to Isam, 'Actually, I think it's less the amount of move and more the amount of move regen. And, yeah, fly probably needs some adjusting, too.'

Dias-Jax says, 'And grow up a little :P'

Isam says to Dias-Jax, 'please, you learn after'

Craven says, 'unlike other places there is more dead area between areas'

Kaige says to Craven, 'yes, but now you know how to find that out for any area in the future'

Dias-Jax says to Isam, 'I can leard to build now, Syndi gonna teach me for Pathways, Im just lazy :P'

Craven says to Kaige, 'I already knew how'

Ea! says, 'Perhaps the move benefit to fly isn't needed at all, given that it's already pretty useful without it.'

Isam says to Ea!, 'hmm, ok point they do regen fast'

Craven says, 'areas is a huge, spammy list'

Craven says, 'it was much easier to just ask'

Isam says to Ea!, 'just be carefull and dont make con / refresh too good'

Lilian sighs loudly.

Lilian says to Sandra, 'I was so excited about War of the Worlds...'

Craven says, 'and its in no particular order'

Kheldar looks around.

Craven says, 'also annoying...'

Ea! says, 'though I think that the other big problem is the boat issue -- carrying around boats is silly.'

Lilian smiles happily.

Craven says, 'theres an idea, make the areas list alphabetical'

Kheldar says, 'so who put it in ea! mind to change fly!'

Kheldar frowns.

Kaige says, 'which is why I said, areainfo so you'd get the info for that specific area and not all of them.'

Craven says, 'I don't want to read a huge desc'

Kaige says, 'and they're in a very specific order.'

Isam says to Craven, 'its not huge you lazy bum'

Craven says, 'what order is that?'

Kaige says, 'the order they're in the database in'

Craven chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'so all the ancient ones are at the top, the medieval in the middle, and indust at the bottom'

Isam says, 'hmm'

Craven says to Kaige, 'fine, suggestions to you. Nothing specific, but it would be nice to see san fran be an interesting town for more reasons then one word, a skill or 2, 3 quests?, and occasionally the carni'

Craven says to Kaige, 'most newbies can't even get there'

Craven says to Kaige, 'because theres nothing there'

Isam says, 'i hit a conditional dt last time i tryed'

Craven says to Kaige, 'that area could be really cool'

Kaige says, 'that doesn't sound like a reason they can't.. but more like a won't'

Craven chuckles politely at Isam's feeble witticism.

Craven says, 'its a dangerous trip to san fran'

Craven says, 'I go to san fran 2 or 3 times character'

Craven says, 'quests'

Craven says, 'a word'

Isam says, 'luckily i met teh conditions to live'

Kaige says to Craven, 'I didn't have much to work with when I started with it'

Craven says, 'and a skill, which I believe is actually also elsewhere'

Craven says, 'make the mobs at least decent xp'

Isam says to Craven, 'there's a couple peices of eq there'

Craven says, 'the assessor or whatever his name is used to be nice xp'

Craven says, 'I remember leary being nice xp, but innkeepers shouldn't be good xp'

Craven says, 'san fran used to be semi-popular ages ago, but seems to have been abandoned, just suggesting making it a bit more interesting'

Craven says, 'eq there?'

Craven says, 'oh your right'

Craven says, 'they did add a hol item that noone used before...and I'm embarrased to wear now because of its name :P'

Ea! says, 'O'Leary was really fun to fight for a while in there.'

Isam says, 'are we allowed to cite game info in q&a? :P'

Craven says, 'some robes that are horrible ac'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'but nice stats'

Craven looks up into the sky and ponders.

Isam says to Craven, 'the heels'

Kaige says, 'ok that's funny.. I love when people finally find eq and think it's new.'

Craven says, 'ahhh, the heels'

Tweety yells, 'Heeewp! Heeewp! Gwanny!'

Craven says, 'its not new'

Kheldar grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

Craven says, 'that hat is from hol'

Kheldar says, 'new to them'

Craven says, 'and it has an evil evil name now'

Kaige says, 'oh that.. yeah.. I was thinking something that would be more embarassing'

Craven says, 'oh, hehe'

Craven says, 'I cna't remember the full name'

Craven says, 'montana hat or something :P'

Isam says, 'yeehaw'

Craven says, 'hehe, exactly'

Craven says, 'wear that and you lose 20 iq :P'

Kaige says, 'your choice! =)'

Craven says, 'actually I believe its + mind...'

Lilian snickers softly.

Craven laughs with amusement.

Isam says, 'heh. i use eq based on stats'

Kaige says, 'there's always strings'

Craven nods his agreement with Isam.

Craven snickers at Kaige nastily.

Craven says, 'I get strings on christmas sometimes'

Isam says, '99% of eq sets come out looking very silly here'

Craven says, 'I never see any other chances'

Craven says, 'I used to win flag hunts'

Sandra says, 'I refuse to use some things that look stupid. I don't care the stats ;)'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Isam.

Craven says, 'I haven't seen one of those in a year or so'

Sandra's male chars will NEVER wear heels.

Ea! nods his agreement with Sandra.

Kheldar says to Isam, 'that comes from pooling the best from many different areas'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'actually'

Isam nods his agreement with Kheldar.

Craven says to Kheldar, 'I defy you to try to equip a character from one area and be anywhere near useful'

Craven says, 'excluding SL'

Isam says, 'uhm'

Isam says, 'you could go klein...there lots of bad stat eq there'

Craven snickers softly.

Craven says, 'besides'

Craven says, 'that would defy the point of the mud'

Craven says, 'explore'

Lilian says, 'i hate LKlein'

Isam says, 'maybe the entirety of paris'

Lilian scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Craven says, 'if you could equip in one area, whats the point of the rest of them'

Kaige nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'very few areas have more then 1 or 2 good items'

Craven says, 'some have 0'

Lilian says, 'I don't really hate it, but there's not much to do ther eexcept kill stuff'

Isam says, 'really?'

Isam says, 'what has 0?'

Craven says, 'but pooled together it makes a fairly large list'

Craven says, 'Wraiths area has 0'

Dias-Jax says, 'There are a lot of items people don't know about Craven, I found a new one in Salem with Veronica's help'

Craven says, 'and that stupid dagger doesn't count'

Isam says, 'what area :P'

Craven says, 'with privates'

Craven says, 'it has binoculars, which suck'

Isam says, 'somme?'

Isam says, 'binocs'

Isam says, 'suuuure they do'

Craven says, 'oh, you kill him and gravity instantly damages the non repairable item :'

Isam says, 'well'

Lilian nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'besides'

Isam says, 'there's also uzi ammo there :P'

Craven says, 'in their day, they weren't horrible for snipers'

Craven says, 'they are shadowed by much better things these days'

Sandra says, 'yea, I should change that I guess'

Craven says, 'change what?'

Sandra says, 'uzi ammo'

Craven chuckles politely.

Isam says, 'please do'

Isam says, 'uzi is unasuble becuase you have to use those things'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Okay, so, let me ask you a question: what do you like about Legend?'

Kaige giggles at Ea!.

Craven says to Ea!, 'lots of things'

Craven says to Ea!, 'but I don't think anything is perfect at legend :)'

Sandra says, 'well, it wouldn't be any easier if/when I change it'

Craven says to Ea!, 'do you?'

Craven says to Ea!, 'and I think many thigns are far from perfect'

Kaige wouldn't be working on things if she thought it was perfect, what point?

Craven says, 'MANY things show potential but currently suck'

Craven says, 'things like that'

Isam says to Sandra, 'only problem is the ammo weighs too much'

Ea! says to Craven, 'I agree, nothing is perfect -- but I didn't ask about perfection, I asked about things that you liked...'

Craven says, 'what do I like? Lets see'

Craven says, 'I like mages'

Craven says, 'I like snipers'

Isam snickers icily.

Craven says, 'I USED to like str until you destroyed them and refused to fix them'

Craven says, 'I like backstab, headbutt, kick, hate elbow, warcry, and choke'

Craven says, 'I hate the eye of the dragon that resists blind'

Craven says, 'I like the gae bolg'

Isam rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Kaige says, 'wrong side...'

Kaige giggles.

Kheldar says, 'personally one of the things I've liked most about legend was the classlessness of the system... wide open choices that aren't completely pigeonholed *grumbles about the removeal of spam mages*'

Craven says, 'I like romania'

Craven says, 'I hate somme'

Dias-Jax grins evilly at Kheldar.. wonder what he's thinking...

Craven says, 'and there is that'

Craven says, 'I like being able to make a character, and while is somewhat limited, can really become almost anything'

Isam says to Kheldar, 'well its wide open but there's few differences between one char or the next'

Craven says, 'those the possible choices keep getting smaller'

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with Isam.

Craven says, '2nd circle create is no longer an option unless you augment for instance'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Isam.

Craven says, 'strength is becoming less of an option'

Kheldar says, 'its one of the concerns in balancing skill trees'

Craven laughs with amusement.

Craven says, 'kheldar'

Craven says, 'I would love for trees to exist'

Craven says, 'I really would'

Craven says, 'but last I heard they were what, like 20% complete?'

Dias-Jax says, 'But they won't'

Craven says, 'and have been for years'

Isam says, 'i dont beleive in skill trees'

Isam sticks his tongue out frostily at everyone! =P

Craven says, 'by the time someone gets the ambition tow ork on them again'

Craven says, 'theyw ill be started over AGAIN'

Ea! says to Craven, 'You only thinkthat now -- when, and if, you see them, you'll hate them more than even the xp scale.'

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with Isam.

Craven says, 'for the umpteenth time'

Ea! says, 'More than the xp scale and pkok combined.'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'adn balm'

Craven says, 'I can't hate anything more then pkok'

Kheldar grins evilly at Ea!.. wonder what he's thinking...

Isam says, 'erhm'

Craven says, 'thats not true'

Craven says, 'I don't hate pkok'

Isam says, 'why would we hate them'

Craven says, 'I hate the multiple loopholes that are ignored'

Lilian nods her agreement with Craven.

Ea! says to Craven, 'Odds are, they'll be the thing that will finally convince you to up and leave Legend for good.'

Isam says, 'you'd only put them in if you they served to balance'

Kheldar says to Isam, 'people hate change'

Isam says, 'and craven loves balance'

Isam nods to himself.

Craven says to Kheldar, 'people hate negative change'

Lilian says, 'I like that you can enable more than one char with pkok, but enabling more than one char brings up other problems'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'people tend to like additive change'

Craven says, 'for example'

Kheldar says to Craven, '*nod* or change they can't instantly view as positive'

Craven says, 'I would have LIKED balm had it been added'

Craven says, 'instead of replacing something else'

Lilian says, 'such as it not being ...ack hold on'

Dias-Jax says, 'I just wanna see PK clans mean something, and see being looted and multi'd something that can be returned in kind'

Craven says, 'since you can't eat roots and balm yourself with any good effect'

Craven says, 'they balanced each other out'

Lilian nods her agreement with Dias-Jax.

Craven says, 'but that wasn't the case'

Ea! says to Dias-Jax, 'I've given up on making pk clans mean something.'

Dias-Jax says, 'It's kinda dumb to be a reject all PK clan'

Isam says, 'roots was still disliked for the hunger thing'

Dias-Jax says, 'Or to multi/loot someone and reject 20 minutes later'

Craven says, 'this character was a 2nd circle create'

Isam says to Ea!, 'thats no good'

Kheldar says, 'skill trees has potential with the new fun skills... they'll probably like that... the drawback is the greater requirements in having all of these lesser skills to get the good ones'

Craven says, 'I was forced to give that up'

Lilian says to Dias-Jax, 'I've found that people aren't as loyal to clans, because they have multiple clanned chars these days'

Kheldar says, 'it'll feel like a waste of points forcing you to be nearly a classed system again'

Lilian says, 'not everyone, though'

Dias-Jax says to Lilian, 'I was loyal, despite having a PK alt in every clan :P'

Lilian pets Dias-Jax lovingly.

Craven says to Kheldar, 'depends on how they design it'

Dias-Jax says, 'The problem is the PK base period, people are afraid of what they see in PKok'

Craven shrugs in response to Kheldar's words.

Kheldar chuckles politely.

Dias-Jax purrs contentedly in Lilian's lap.

Kheldar says to Craven, 'I'm talking about the last design I saw'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'for example, I'm confined now'

Isam says, 'pk is for dueling here, obviously.'

Isam shrugs icily.

Craven says, 'I'm from klien and have all 2nd circle create words'

Lilian shudders.

Craven says, 'unfortunately, those words are worthless'

Craven says, 'so I'm confined to be what I can be without words'

Dias-Jax says to Isam, 'Yes, it is, which is kinda sad seeing as PK was the original purpose of clans really'

Craven says, 'and with the pracs I have left'

Isam says to Craven, 'nope, doppels are the best mobkill spell :P'

Craven says, 'which is 3'

Craven snickers at Isam nastily.

Craven says, 'fuck mob kill'

Craven says, 'if I wanted to mobkill I'd go to pd'

Dias-Jax says, 'Even the knights and Seven Circles war is a mocking of PK'

Isam says, 'war?'

Isam scratches his head.

Isam hadn't noticed...really.

Dias-Jax says, 'Two factions who SHOULD be fully against one another, and you got Dechtire waving hello and bidding Marcel a good day'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'currently we are locked in our classes by the # of pracs we get'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'so it wouldn't be THAT much different'

Lilian says, 'there's a war on?'

Isam says to Dias-Jax, 'you missed freja kissing marcel'

Dias-Jax says to Lilian, 'supposedly'

Lilian snickers softly.

Dias-Jax says, 'It's like, I KNOW half the 7c and knights, despite how horridly I treat the knights :P and I know most of them have alts in the opposite clan'

Kheldar says to Craven, '*nod* perhaps, but the system I saw mean you'd end up losing a number of the skills you take for granted'

Dias-Jax says, 'How can you PK yerself?'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'like hunt'

Craven says to Ea!, 'so whats the current % completion of trees?'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'thats fine'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'but then I won't need to keep 30 perc will I?'

Ea! says to Craven, 'No clue.'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'thus my fighter can use his stats on other things of value'

Ea! says, 'It's been so long since I've looked at the stuff that it's impossible to say.'

Isam says to Craven, 'not I, my base perc is too high'

Lilian says, 'is it possible to give players the option, when creating a character, to choose whether or not they will be pk?'

Craven says, 'if you have high perc, hunt will probably be available to you'

Ea! purges Zeosa!

Lilian looks up into the sky and ponders.

Dias-Jax says, 'That'd be kinda cool, save us from hunting down an imm.'

Craven chuckles politely.

Lilian nods her agreement with Dias-Jax.

Isam says, 'with pkok there's no reason NOT to enable'

Dias-Jax says, 'It's PKok enabling, shouldn't really need an imm, we all know the role by now'

Isam says, 'so why not make EVERYONE enabled?'

Craven says, 'I don't see why everyone's not just auto enabled'

Coldly Isam ducks to the ground.

Craven says, 'whats it matter?'

Isam nods his agreement with Craven.

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with Craven.

Lilian nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'they can type reject all'

Craven says, 'or type nothing at all'

Isam says to Craven, 'or even start off that way'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'its so that we can keep players who have abused pkill and lost that priveledge from having it again'

Craven snickers softly.

Lilian says, 'aaaah'

Craven says, 'I see'

Ea! says, 'so that we can tell people that if they go pkok-enabled and pkill people other people'll pk them and reject them and they won't be able to get revenge. If they're not okay with that they shouldn't be pking.'

Lilian says to Kheldar, 'that makes sense'

Craven says, 'so for the 5 people on the list, you enable everyone else instead of just unenabling those people'

Ea! says, 'Oh, and what Kheldar says.'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Craven says, 'perfect sense :)'

Dias-Jax says, 'But I hear that someone actually managed to GET his alt enabled after being banned from PKill, so it's not like the check is big, mainly there's just a speach really'

Lilian says, 'I do miss the old pk-get revenge-pk system though'

Lilian says, 'and the special 'hidden' clan halls'

Dias-Jax nods his agreement with Lilian.

Craven says to Lilian, 'that my friend is gone'

Lilian nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven comforts Lilian.

Lilian sighs loudly.

Kheldar says to Dias-Jax, 'if they do and it gets found out that they have then they risk deletion and sitebannign'

Kheldar shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'what we have now is a bunch of 14 year olds who call each other ass fucks until one gets mad enough to threaten the other one to fight, which of course is denied'

Dias-Jax says to Kheldar, 'yep, but how often we check on that sorta thing really?'

Lilian nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'they then in turn continue to fight constantly verbally until one day they do accept and multi the hell out of each other, loot, then reject again'

Lilian says, 'that is something I find incredibly annoying'

Craven says, 'thus sparking arguments for years'

Dias-Jax says to Craven, 'it's not all that bad really, only a few people like that now-a-days'

Craven says, 'while I don't really hate pkok, my question would be this'

Isam says to Craven, 'actually, pk has been pretty tame lately'

Craven says, 'how did it REALLY accomplish what you wanted it to?'

Dias-Jax says, 'Anymore they just reject, rent, and only log on when the person messing with them isn't on'

Craven says, 'because I don't see it stopping any harassment etc.'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'pkok would be great if you implemented my contract idea :)'

Dias-Jax says to Isam, 'Tame isn't quite the word, more like flacid'

Isam snickers at Dias-Jax coldly.

Isam says, 'enough mood stuff'

Craven says, 'without RP, pk cannot exist'

Ea! says to Craven, 'We've renamed it "conscript" since it makes more sense.'

Craven says, 'and since RP is dead...'

Craven says to Ea!, 'excellent'

Craven says to Ea!, 'did you actually consider it then?'

Ea! says, 'But it's still an idea.'

Craven says to Ea!, 'hehe, now for the red tape'

Craven says to Ea!, 'miles and miles....'

Kheldar says, 'as fun as this has all been, its time for me to run home.... bbl all'

Craven says to Ea!, 'if you decide to do it, don't half ass it, do ita ll the way'

Kheldar waves happily.

Isam waves good-bye to Kheldar.

Dias-Jax waves good-bye to Kheldar.

Kaige waves good-bye to Kheldar.

Ea! says, 'It'll probably make it to the todo list in some form with a * next to it indicating that it needs discussion before implementation.'

Ea! says, 'Also probably with a note stating that it should probably go in as part of a larger package of changes to clans.'

Craven says to Ea!, 'oh great, so if it is done it'll wait 2 years for the rest :)'

Craven says to Lilian, 'that you could be "bound" physically to a clan without the option to leave it until your time is served'

Lilian smiles happily.

Lilian nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says to Lilian, 'like joining the navy or something'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Teach her about abstract impressionism and/or dutch impressionism.'

Lilian says, 'that sounds good!'

Craven says to Lilian, 'it would be timed based on ic ticks, just like the pk timer'

Craven says to Lilian, 'only it wouldn't reset for pk fights'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'impressionism is quite likely at this age =)'

Kaige hugs Rusalka.

Rusalka hugs Kaige.

Lilian says to Craven, 'and if they're a PK clan, all pk clans are automatically AA all other PK clans??'

Isam peers around intently.

Rusalka gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Lilian hugs Rusalka.

Craven says to Lilian, 'that had nothing to do with it'

Craven says to Lilian, 'it was a type of contract between a player and a clan'

Craven says to Lilian, 'you could not abandon it no matter what until your time was up'

Lilian says to Craven, 'Yes, I'm throwing it in there as well'

Craven says to Ea!, 'do you know why huginns dip code never made it?'

Craven says to Ea!, 'that sounded semi interesting, just curious'

Ea! says to Craven, 'He's working on debugging it.'

Craven looks up into the sky and ponders.

Isam says, 'dip code?'

Craven says to Ea!, 'last time I asked him he said it was done and he didn't know why it wasn't used'

Dias-Jax says, 'Yeah, what exactly is that?'

Ea! says to Isam, 'You'll hate it.'

Craven says to Ea!, 'hmm...'

Craven grins evilly at Ea!.. wonder what he's thinking...

Craven says to Ea!, 'actually I am the king of blinders and I didn't hate it'

Isam says to Ea!, 'if it involves MORE dipping, i might'

Craven says to Ea!, 'I don't see it making a shred of difference, but I didn't hate it'

Ea! says, 'Well, the bug might be in one of the other changes that would go in at the same time. I can't remember.'

Craven says to Ea!, 'what kind of similiar projects do you have?'

Craven says to Ea!, 'poisons of course...'

Craven says to Ea!, 'is hrath working on anything?'

Isam says, 'hmm. this is q&a today isnt it :)'

Ea! says to Craven, 'RL stuff.'

Kaige says, 'he's working in a different country currently... access isn't the best which is part of his job there to fix'

Craven says, 'what about snapper?'

Ea! says, 'I think he's waiting on me sending a batch of stuff his way.'

Ea! sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

Craven says, 'well...this is a serious question.'

Kaige suggests currency.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Ea! giggles at Kaige.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says, 'Yeah, I feel bad about that after I messed it all up from what he had. But it should be done...'

Lilian smiles at Ea!.

Craven says, 'I know you can't give specifics, but can we expect ANYTHING added that affects character ability, be it spellcasting, fighting, operating, whatever....within the next 6 months...i.e. before feb 14th'

Ea! says, 'But my feature set is better, it's just an ugly implementation.'

Ea! says, 'probably.'

Craven says, 'I could have answered that :P'

Ea! nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'why are imms so secretive...'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'it's just really hard to deal with as a builder'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Isam says to Craven, 'yes. there nerfing backstab.'

Kaige says, 'because we're not omniscent any more than you are?'

Ea! says, 'Well, buy/sell/etc. should support it, huh?'

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'I got so excited when kaige said we could expect big changes when 2 weeks went by without changes'

Dias-Jax says to Isam, 'Ill hold you personally responsible :P'

Craven says, 'and we got squat...the feeling is still there, but still squat :P'

Sandra says, 'Yea, so I can get rid of the 3 pages of acts to do that ;)'

Lilian says, 'who did the moods on channels change?'

Isam grins evilly at Dias-Jax.. wonder what he's thinking...

Ea! says to Craven, '90% of my code got axed by godlist.'

Dias-Jax says to Isam, 'JUST so I can make a create and stomp on you some :P'

Kaige says, 'well I was hoping for changes, but even I don't have the last say on everything'

Craven says, 'godlist?'

Sandra says, 'it's partly my fault. I threw a fit ;)'

Rusalka says, 'mine too'

Rusalka chuckles politely.

Lilian grins evilly.

Craven sighs loudly.

Rusalka comforts Ea!.

Kaige says, 'the general immort mailing list'

Craven says, 'why?'

Craven says, 'do you like this stangant pond covered in scum we call legend?'

Ea! says to Lilian, 'Kaige's idea, my implementation with help from Kaige. Kae put in a lot of work for tommorow's update.'

Craven grumbles.

Rusalka says to Craven, 'if you think it's covered with scum'

Rusalka says to Craven, 'why play here/'

Craven says, 'its covered in scum because its not CHANGING'

Craven says, 'ever seen what happens to still wateR?'

Sandra says to Craven, 'no. It's not that. But I'm not going to say any more than that :)'

Craven says, 'thats what I'm talking about...'

Craven says, 'the last change was like chain lightning, and that was depressing :P'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Well, for a few reasons -- mostly because the majority of the Imm staff thought that it would be detrimental.'

Isam says, 'was chain cause or create?'

Craven says, 'cause'

Craven says, 'didn't matter, it sucks hardcore'

Isam snickers softly.

Craven says, 'does like 15 damage for 45 mana or something like that'

Isam says, 'weather!'

Craven says, 'oh, yea'

Isam says, 'yes! expend 800+ mana first'

Craven says, 'you COULD make it a lightning storm out'

Craven says, 'for some ungodly amount of mana'

Craven says, 'when you could have just immolated or firestormed in the first place'

Craven says, 'gust is nice also...'

Isam likes frost bolt. so there.

Craven says, 'never used it'

Craven says, 'sandra imp'd it when semirhage was 48...'

Craven grumbles to Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'well, level slower ;)'

Craven says, 'besides, I'm sure its no better then lightning'

Dias-Jax says, 'New spells are kinda annoying, cause yer level 50, and don't get the spell til then, so ya got crappy cast level, and so on and so forth'

Craven says, 'and lightning works over water just as well'

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says, 'that's what spellbooks are for Dias'

Craven says, 'those aren't very practical'

Dias-Jax says, 'Hey, I don't do mages, you know that Sandra :P'

Sandra says, 'we make sure to put those in every time we put in a new spell'

Craven says, 'how many "spellbooks" does it take to make a spell level 25 instead of 50?'

Craven says, '25?'

Craven says, 'assuming you don't fail'

Sandra says, 'about, yea'

Isam says, 'or casting unimped spells before they are put in'

Craven says, 'and each time some huge quest'

Craven says, 'screw that'

Craven says, 'I don't want to do the rudh quest 25 times to get a spell down to level 25'

Sandra says to Isam, 'well, frostbolt wasn't an unimped spell. It was just one I thought up'

Craven says, 'its much easier to just not use it'

Sandra says, 'well'

Isam says to Sandra, 'erhm, i got my cast level set on it and then it started working later i thought'

Craven says, 'in all actuallity'

Sandra says, 'I was gonna say this huge response, but I think I'll just go with 'get your head out of your ass and explore, Craven' :)'

Craven says, 'I could probably perma semirhage and level to 50 again in about the same amount of time, maybe even less, then doing that quest 25 times'

Isam says to Sandra, 'but craven has a point, i'm not sure its any different than lightning bolt. i just think its cool'

Rusalka says, 'honestly'

Rusalka says, 'there's so much more important things out there to worry about'

Rusalka shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'such as? :)'

Rusalka says, 'i'm sorry we disapoint'

Rusalka says, 'well'

Rusalka says, 'art'

Rusalka says, 'beauty'

Craven says, 'Capitialzation errors?'

Rusalka says, 'truth'

Sandra says, 'there's usually more than one spot for spellbooks. We're not (that) mean ;)'

Craven says, 'those don't exist here, so they aren't a problem to worry about'

Craven says to Sandra, 'well'

Craven says to Sandra, 'its fun to explore a new area, because there as so many things to find'

Sandra says, 'well, I am. But not the majority'

Craven says to Sandra, 'it is not fun to explore 30 areas looking for one thing'

Isam nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says to Sandra, 'one thing that you don't even know what it looks like'

Craven says to Sandra, 'or any clue where it could be'

Isam says, 'its like .... a new item was added in sucha zone....'

Isam is completely boggled.

Craven says to Sandra, 'maybe you enjoy that?'

Sandra says, 'I dunno, you might be surprised and find other new things'

Craven says to Sandra, 'but I certainly don't'

Sandra says, 'I don't think you enjoy much more than bitching ;)'

Sandra ruffles Craven's hair playfully.

Craven says, 'I honestly have no idea where the frostbolt book is'

Craven says, 'but like I said, its lightning bolt with a different message, so I'm good :)'

Sandra says, 'nah it's not'

Lilian snickers softly.

Craven says, 'besides'

Craven says, 'you can't use walls on water anyway'

Craven says, 'wtf would I be on water :P'

Isam says, 'i use frost bolt to kill the sea serpent'

Isam says, 'thats it'

Craven says, 'hehe'

Craven says, 'I heard he still insta kills'

Craven says, 'thats hilarious'

Isam says, 'i meant the medi one'

Isam says, 'the big one'

Isam snickers softly.

Craven says, 'Sandra laughed at Asmodean when it killed him 3 million away from 100 mil...back when you lost 2 mil'

Craven sighs wistfully at the sight of Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

Craven says, 'noone ever told me he insta killed...'

Sandra says, 'well, it was funny ;)'

Lilian sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'see how much fun exploring is? :P'

Kaige says, 'hehe.. I got beat that time.'

Lilian says to Sandra, 'there's no way I'll be able to get the building app in by the 1st'

Isam says, 'last time i explored.....i ah'

Lilian bursts into tears.

Lilian says, 'nex ttime'

Craven says, 'I get overwhelmed by new areas, so large'

Craven says, 'I still haven't explored alaska, its huge'

Craven says, 'and I fall in traps and crap which is annoying'

Isam says to Craven, 'naw its not'

Craven says, 'I found a knight meeting on an ice burg...thats about as far as I've got'

Craven says, 'Boston is perfect sized'

Lilian says to Craven, 'knights meeting on icebergs...how apt'

Craven says, 'salem is also good sized'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Lilian's head.

Craven cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Dias-Jax grins evilly at Lilian.. wonder what he's thinking...

Craven says, 'pittsburg is too big...'

Sandra says, 'Um'

Lilian says, 'I like Pittsburg'

Craven says, 'you can go west like 30 times :P'

Sandra says, 'they're the same size'

Isam says, 'never bothered to explore salem/boston besides getting to the big mobs'

Sandra giggles.

Lilian says, 'I love teh pizza guy'

Sandra says, 'and its PITTSBURGH!'

Lilian grins evilly.

Craven says, 'and boston is nice'

Sandra says, 'GH GH GH GH GHGHGH'

Craven says, 'the majority of the area is a forest'

Craven says, 'so I don't count that'

Dias-Jax says to Craven, 'you ever been to pittsburgh? I used to live there, it IS big :P'

Lilian scuffles dirt onto Sandra's shoes.

Lilian says, 'I'm an aussie'

Craven says, 'pfff'

Lilian sticks her tongue out at everyone! =P

Sandra giggles.

Sandra grew up there and is picky.

Craven says, 'the ocean is big'

Craven says, 'I don't think its as wide here as pittsburg :P'

Lilian says, 'Pittsboigh'

Dias-Jax smiles at Sandra.

Sandra whaps Craven across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Craven says, 'how many miles is it in real life from the abbey to klien? :P'

Isam says, 'the atlantic here is a whopping 3 rooms across'

Craven says, 'thats 10 rooms here'

Craven says, 'pittsburg is way over that!'

Ea! says to Sandra, 'So, um, how is that spelled again?'

Lilian says to Sandra, 'do you have one of those accetns? that you hear in the gangster flicks?'

Lilian smiles happily.

Sandra says, 'it's god damn pittsburGH. I'm gonna kill ya!'

Craven says, 'pfff'

Sandra nods her agreement with Lilian.

Craven says, 'you won't do crap'

Lilian whistles at Sandra appreciatively.

Sandra says, 'no? ;)'

Craven says, 'pittsburg'

Lilian says, 'I love it!'

Sandra slays Craven in cold blood!

You hear Craven's death cry.

Dias-Jax throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Lilian laughs with amusement.

Dias-Jax jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Sandra!

Craven says, 'pff, like that gets me'

Sandra giggles.

Ea! says, 'that was predicatable.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige gives a dead chicken to Sandra.

Isam says, 'bad hijinx'

Lilian laughs at Kaige.

Craven says, 'give me my 20 hp back'

Craven threatens Sandra.

Sandra snickers softly.

Craven says, 'healing in this game sucks, I'm serious'

Sandra says, 'I'll take 'em all!'

Craven pokes Sandra in the ribs.

Sandra will give you 1 max hp.

Craven says, 'it took me like 35 minutes to heal last time'

Craven sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'either invis or wasting hp'

Craven says, 'crappy imms...'

Sandra says, 'you only lost 20!'

Craven says, 'thats at least 3 minutes!'

Isam says, 'hey its alot of typing, that giving hp thing'

Craven says, 'pff'

Craven says, 'she can cure crit me'

Rusalka giggles.

Craven says, 'you could really piss me off and balm me'

Dias-Jax chuckles politely at Craven's feeble witticism.

Craven says, 'you imms other then kaige which is publicly posted taken that mud personality test?'

Dias-Jax comforts Lilian.

Craven says, 'I think we need more imms with a killer attitude, we have no representation'

Lilian raises her eyebrow at Dias-Jax.

Isam points at Sandra.

Ea! says, 'Does it require JavaScript?'

Craven says, 'huginn is the only one who is killer'

Dias-Jax says to Lilian, 'I like being 18, although I could live with another 3 yuears'

Dias-Jax nods to himself.

Ea! says, 'If not, let me know where it is and I'll take it.'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'dn't think so'

Craven says, 'kaige was like 3% killer :P'

Kaige says, 'www.andreason.com something like that'

Sandra says, 'I think I was like 39%. I forget'

Craven says, 'imagine that...'

Kaige says, 'and I've gotten different results on that every time I take it'

Craven says, 'I was a killer/socializer'

Isam says, 'i forget what i was'

Craven says, 'who'd thunk :)'

Isam says, 'something contradictory'

Ea! says, 'Hm. Not andreason.com.'

Craven says, 'http://www.andreasen.org/bartle/test.cgi'

Isam says, 'all i know is i scored real low explorer wuse'

Isam says, 'wise...'

Kaige says, 'ahh.. least I got his name right.'

Kaige giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Craven says, 'We need more representation!'

Sandra may kill you, but will at least be social about it.

Craven says, 'I'm a killer socializer :P'

Craven says, 'I represent 1.5% of all mudders or something'

Rusalka says, 'lets see'

Rusalka says, 'i was a social exploere'

Craven says, 'see'

Rusalka says, 'explorer even'

Craven says, 'thats most imms'

Craven says, 'whats the other one, achiever?'

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'I think most imms were either social explorer or explorerer social'

Craven says, 'haha, I put too many er's on that'

Rusalka says, 'well'

Rusalka says, 'social is good if you do pr/admin stuff'

Rusalka shrugs helplessly.

Craven says to Sandra, 'I could MAYBE see you being a killer'

Craven says to Rusalka, 'its a mindset'

Rusalka says, 'and explorer is good for building/coder'

Craven says to Rusalka, 'killers usually don't tend to care about administrative type duties'

Rusalka says, 'yep'

Sandra says, 'mine was socializer/killer'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Rusalka cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Rusalka giggles.

Craven says, 'I care, sorta :)'

Rusalka says to Craven, 'you were saying?'

Craven says, 'I tried to be an imm once!'

Craven says, 'far far too long ago to even remember :)'

Sandra picks up the corpse of Craven.

Sandra puts the corpse of Craven in a bottomless pit.

Sandra pats a bottomless pit affectionately.

Craven says, 'man, what if my gear is still in it'

Sandra says, 'souvenier'

Sandra looked first.

Thundarr flops about helplessly.

Craven says, 'I don't even know what my rent is supposed to be anymore'

Thundarr says, 'sup'

Craven says, 'I made imms take the personality test'

Kaige smiles at Thundarr.

Thundarr throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Craven says to Thundarr, 'you take that ?'

Thundarr shakes his head.

Craven says, 'Most imms are wussies'

Craven throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Rusalka says, 'yeah. no more shoes'

Rusalka says, 'oops'

Thundarr peers intently at a pair of silver boots.

Sandra giggles.

Rusalka giggles.

Thundarr says, 'aunt sandra? aunt?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Rusalka is well shod, shall we say

Sandra points proudly at herself.

Craven says to Sandra, 'so are you still the reigning champ of level 50's for one player?'

Isam says to Craven, 'KSE'

Sandra says, 'course'

Craven says to Sandra, 'am I at least in the top 10?'

Lilian laughs with amusement.

Ea! says, '73% killer, 66% explorer, 33% socializer, 26% achiever.'

Sandra says, 'probably. Not sure'

Craven cheers wildly!

Thundarr says, 'hard to count we all permad so many back in teh old pk sys'

Craven says, 'thats a lie ea'

Lilian says, 'my type is SEK: Socializer Explorer Killer'

Kaige giggles at Ea!.

Craven says, 'no imms are killers :P'

Lilian snickers softly.

Thundarr says, 'fionn was'

Craven says, 'actually...'

Ea! says to Craven, 'How many of my alts do you know?'

Craven says, 'for awhile, ea DID actually work on fighting type code'

Thundarr says, 'ya ea! is pretty sneaky iwht alts'

Lilian says to Ea!, 'I don't know any of your alts'

Craven says, 'I might buy that'

Craven says to Ea!, 'I had a suspicion about one of your alts'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'what you think of giving lima reduced poultice'

Craven says to Ea!, 'but I don't even remember his name :)'

Lilian says, 'or if I do, I don't know they're your alts'

Lilian smiles happily.

Craven says to Ea!, 'besides, I'm sure we hang in completely different circles'

Ea! says to Thundarr, 'I've got other plans.'

Craven says to Ea!, 'you don't strike me as much of a pkiller'

Ea! shrugs philosophically.

Craven says, 'I just can't see you enjoying it much'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'you seem more of a person who would rather go kill mobs :)'

Craven says, 'like sandra'

Craven throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'those plans include something for klein, i liked the idea for a skill to make swords/daggers comprable to makestaff staves'

Lilian says, 'most of the time I prefer not to know peoples' alts. If I can't figure them out, then it gives me more of an opprotunity to RP with people'

Lilian shrugs helplessly.

Lilian says, 'in different ways'

Craven says to Lilian, 'everyone knows my alts!'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'btw'

Thundarr hugs a mystical rune-covered shield.

Thundarr says, 'nice item'

Craven snickers softly.

Isam says, 'hmm'

Ea! says to Thundarr, 'If we were to do something like that, we'd just implement the new forge code.'

Craven says, 'where that come from? Some strange distant land on a mob that need 8,000 people to kill? :P'

Sandra thanks Thundarr heartily.

Isam says to Craven, 'a lotp :P'

Lilian says to Craven, 'yeah, but you don't disguise them. And they are easy to pick. Same as my alts'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'well ok'

Lilian smiles happily.

Thundarr cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Ea! says, 'But I'm not sure that we'll do that way.'

Lilian says, 'some people have the same way of emoting, or expressing themselves, so it's easy to pick their alts'

Craven says, 'as nice as hometowns being useful would be, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon'

Craven says, 'I have ONE alt noone knows about...'

Thundarr says, 'do something you can always take it out'

Thundarr throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Craven says, 'and it takes all my willpower to keep it that way'

Lilian smiles at Craven.

Thundarr says, 'lima and klein been hurting for years now'

Ea! says, 'Balance changes take time.'

Craven says, 'ea...'

Isam thinks klein needs charge.

Craven says, 'it has nothing to do with balance'

Craven says, 'Klien and Lima have sucked for years'

Craven says, 'its obvious they needed a boost'

Craven says, 'even if something small'

Ea! says, 'sure it does -- it's a matter of balancing home towns.'

Craven says, 'I made this character about the time you made the infamous klien changes'

Craven says, 'only to find out afterwards the klien changes are a joke'

Craven says, 'I wish I had come from tara...'

Craven sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'at least I can repair...'

Isam says to Craven, 'hey, our 5 hp headbutts will win the day'

Craven snickers softly.

Craven says, 'I only came from klien because of false advertising'

Craven says, 'it was sold as a town where fighters will be BETTER fighters'

Craven says, 'and worse mages'

Craven says, 'I've never seen any evidence of either'

Sandra says, 'hm'

Sandra says, 'isn't Israfel from Klein?'

Craven says, 'I never failed spells with this character'

Lilian swoons.

Craven says, 'I have no idea Sandra'

Lilian says, 'I love Israfel'

Craven chuckles politely at Lilian's feeble witticism.

Isam says, 'Israfel. the ideal mobkiller'

Isam shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I like israfels player, the character is kinda eh :)'

Sandra says, 'ok, let me rephrase. Israfel is from Klein.'

Craven says, 'that has nothing to do with his performance'

Craven says, 'he enjoys what he does'

Isam says, 'he'd do as well from tara or agrabah, really'

Lilian says to Craven, 'Israfel's player seems nice...have no idea who else he is though'

Sandra says, 'his 'sucky' hometown choice has obviously not hindered his ability to fight'

Craven says, 'do you honestly think your or I couldn't do the same thing if we wanted to sandra?'

Craven says, 'it doesn't hinder anything'

Craven says, 'but it doesn't HELP anything either'

Craven says, 'its very ....base'

Craven says, 'theres really no benefit to come from klien'

Thundarr says, 'you get repair and give up druid skills'

Craven says, 'on the other hand there are benefits from other towns'

Thundarr says, 'not a good trade imo'

Isam says, 'yeah'

Craven says, 'israfel could be damn near identical from tara'

Craven says, 'and if he chose have augment'

Craven says, 'and brew'

Sandra says, 'You get more than repair. But, please, keep thinking that the bonuses there are useless, coz it's pretty funny'

Craven says, 'of course it would be a choice'

Isam says to Craven, 'he'd need spirit for that'

Craven says, 'fine'

Thundarr says, 'well document them already'

Craven says, 'tell us what they are sandra :)'

Isam nods solemnly.

Isam says, 'do tell'

Craven says, 'oooh, you won't...we're just supposed to believe you with all our hearts :)'

Sandra says, 'why bother? They're useless'

Thundarr says, 'its sad how you guys hide them and keep them to yourselves while the whole mud chooses other hometowns'

Craven says, 'I've asked countless times'

Craven says, 'I was told this'

Craven says, '"It makes your skills do more damage"'

Craven says, 'in testing, that was proven'

Thundarr says, 'tested that, 5 hp hedbutts'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'gareth headbutts for 5 damage from klien'

Craven says, 'Matrim from Tara does 2'

Isam nods solemnly.

Thundarr says, 'elbow is useless anyway'

Craven says, 'now I SUPPOSE its possible kick does 3 more damage too'

Sandra says to Thundarr, 'I have exactly 2, that's right, 2, characters from klein. Does that seem like I'm doing anything special to you?'

Isam says, 'elbow is not'

Isam glares at nothing in particular.

Craven says, 'even if it does, whats 3 damage?'

Craven says, 'I'd rather the option of augment then 3 damage every 2 rounds'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'you have at least 2 form every hometown =P'

Sandra nods her agreement with Thundarr.

Sandra says, 'believe it or not, I have 5 from lima =P'

Craven says, 'I don't make alts from klien anymore, I fail to see any reason'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'well how about spilling the klein bonuses'

Craven says, 'you don't have to give us exact numbers'

Thundarr says, 'its obvious the tara ones by typing 'allskills''

Craven says, 'just say HOW it affects you'

Craven says, 'london gets guns and better parry'

Ea! says, 'I can't give out in game information.'

Craven says, 'we know HOW it affects you'

Thundarr says, 'you can if you want'

Sandra says, 'no you don't ;)'

Craven says, 'but I don't know the % advanced parry is better of regular parry'

Craven says, 'the same should be said for klien'

Craven says, 'but it isn't'

Craven says, '"you fight better"'

Isam says, 'advanced parry effects different weapon types i beleive?'

Craven says, 'thats all we're told'

Craven says, 'we don't know if we hit more, hit harder, dodge more, get better hp rolls, or god knows what'

Thundarr says, 'from all i can see, with my klein char, its bugged'

Craven says, 'when given the option of taking a wild card which MIGHT be cool or taking one that is known to be cool, i.e. tara, most will pick tara'

Thundarr says, 'save the +3 hp damage on headbutt'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'if I fight a fighter from klien or a fighter from tara, either one will die and I'll have roughly the same hp left'

Craven says, 'its probably something stupid like elbow disorients more'

Thundarr says to Craven, 'unless they augment'

Isam watches the immys silently laugh as the players to eachother like the ignorant thugs that they are.

Craven snickers softly.

Craven says, 'its truely not very fair'

Isam says, 'talk*'

Isam ponders his own existence - better keep an eye on him.

Craven says, 'you have klien characters and know their bonus's'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Lilian wonders how you can notice an imm laugh when they're doing it silently.

Sandra says, 'I do. And I play my arabs =P'

Thundarr says, 'trust us, you aint gonna ruin any 'game mystic''

Craven says, 'I don't see how this is game info'

Isam says to Lilian, 'magic powers'

Lilian snickers at Isam nastily.

Craven says, 'game info is %'s, or specific #'s'

Thundarr says to Kaige, 'just tell ea! its okay to share'

Thundarr says to Craven, 'maybe ea! doesnt know either =P'

Craven says, 'saying, "you hit more" is not game info'

Craven says, 'as for lima'

Craven asks Sandra a question.

It sounded like 'god why?' to you.

Thundarr laughs with amusement.

Thundarr says, 'lima...'

Sandra says, 'They're pretty fun'

Craven asks Sandra a question.

It sounded like 'I had an alt or 2 from lima before spam' to you.

Thundarr says, 'i made a char from there once'

Craven says, 'it was nice to have a sniper that could spam brew'

Thundarr says, '2 spells'

Craven says, 'but...'

Thundarr says, 'waht a joke'

Craven says, 'give me one BENEFICIAL thing lima gets over tara?'

Craven says, 'guns?'

Lilian says, 'I've never made a char from Lima. Maybe I should try it on...out'

Sandra says to Thundarr, 'do you base every hometown on their spellcasting ability? If so, London must really suck'

Kaige has always said tara had too many goodies.

Thundarr says, 'advanced parry right?'

Ea! says, 'they're an amazing place if you want to be a jack of all trades.'

Craven says, 'I made a newbie a week ago or so'

Lilian laughs at Sandra.

Craven says, 'I disagree Ea'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Craven says, 'you get the worst of all worlds, not even the average of all worlds'

Craven says, '2 spells?'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'well, london gets other bonus's but if i had to rank the hometwons it would go: tara agrabah london klein lima'

Craven says, 'why even learn chant'

Isam says, 'i think agrabah is best for jacks of all trades :P'

Sandra says, 'I'd put london last. hehe'

Craven says, 'advanced parry...shrug, I don't think parry makes a whole lot of difference, but fine'

Thundarr says, 'ya you like the mages'

Thundarr says, 'but for a pure melee'

Craven says, 'make staff I guess is alright'

Sandra says, 'um'

Thundarr says, 'a class/char type that has NEVER been developed here'

Craven says, 'though it should have stats based on your spirit'

Sandra says, 'I have almost 40 chars. Lemme tell ya, most of them ain't mages'

Isam says, 'london makes the best str/dex hitters'

Ea! says, 'I'm guessing that my jack of all trades are really designed to be masters of nothing while other people get stats that are like 90+.'

Craven says to Sandra, 'thats a lie :P'

Thundarr says, 'and when people finally found a way to do it, you put in 25 mind req for fight skills'

Ea! shrugs philosophically.

Sandra says, 'is it?'

Craven says to Sandra, 'most means 20+'

Craven says, 'you have 20+ fighters/snipers?'

Sandra counts.

Thundarr says, 'sugeons druids'

Lilian waves happily.

Craven says, 'I suppose surgeons'

Craven says, 'druids are mages'

Thundarr says, 'i bet i have had hmmmm 12-15 lvl 50s'

Craven says, 'I've NEVER met a druid who didn't cast'

Craven says, 'actually I have one...'

Craven says, 'but that was a mistake'

Sandra says, 'oh I have 3 that don't cast a single spell'

Sandra says, 'druids, that is'

Ea! says, 'We should really pull 2nd circle spells from Tara.'

Craven says, 'I agree'

Ea! says, 'That'd make Klein more popular.'

Thundarr says to Craven, 'hehe vyper and q**** learning spell casting at lvl 40'

Isam says, 'good lord'

Craven says, 'but you should give people the option of changing hometowns :)'

Thundarr gasps at Ea!.

Thundarr says, 'FREAK!'

Craven says, 'its a good idea'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'it would make agrabah more popular'

Isam says, 'no nerfing the uber druids'

Isam pouts.

Craven says, 'but if your going to steal spells...'

Craven says, 'steal ALL spells'

Thundarr says, 'what does klein get that agrbah doesnt?'

Craven says, 'its dumb to leave first circle'

Craven says, 'I can hide and identify, yay!'

Sandra says to Craven, '13 mages'

Craven says to Sandra, 'now we need to define mages'

Isam says to Sandra, '3c ?'

Sandra says, ''spell casting''

Ea! says, 'I'm not sure what we'd do in terms of a reimb. Maybe we'd make it so that old people were allowed to stay... though that'd be a balance issue for years...'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Craven says, 'is that, "characters that prodominately cast spells", or characters that can cast 2nd circle or higher'

Sandra says to Isam, '2 and 3'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'ya but half the mud is from tara'

Thundarr snickers softly.

Craven says, 'just make them choose'

Craven says, 'do you want augment or casting'

Thundarr says to Craven, 'good idea, like cause/create'

Sandra says to Craven, 'chars that can cast 2nd C or higher'

Craven says, 'then set their hometown accordingly'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Probably we should try to make the first circle spells a bit more useful or something... or do the cantrip thing that was suggested, but I'm not sure that's worth the effort.'

Craven says, 'do my ward idea :)'

Thundarr says to Craven, 'whats that'

Craven says, 'something non combat related'

Craven says, 'in affect you cast a spell that for a certain number of rooms around you can "tell you" things'

Craven says, 'for example'

Isam wants a gate/teleport spell.

Isam snickers softly.

Craven says, 'say it does 2 rooms'

Ea! says, 'that said, I'm all out of energy for political battles on godlist.'

Osler waves happily.

Craven says, 'if your standing 1 of will o green'

Sandra scuffles dirt onto Ea!'s shoes.

Craven says, 'and cast the spell, 2 rooms in any direction would be covered'

Craven says, 'you'd cast a "target" of which choices would be possible'

Ea! says to Sandra, 'And if I weren't, I'd probably be choosing ones other than Tara to fight.'

Craven says, 'evil, good, caster maybe, stuff like that'

Isam says to Craven, 'like watch the surrounding rooms? that'd be usefull'

Craven says, 'and any time that line was crossed, you would be told'

Sandra says to Ea!, 'lets move it to dept head instead! ;)'

Craven says, 'so'

Craven says, 'if I KNOW Thundarr is chasing me, and I use detect alignment to find out he's evil, I could make a box 7 rooms away for 70 mana or something that will tell me when someone evil crosses it'

Ea! says, 'plus, if we were to change tara that way we'd be moving closer to a classed mud...'

Craven says, 'and when he did, stand up and get ready or whatever'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'no nerfign'

Craven says, 'no ea!'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'no nerfign'

Craven says, 'its only classless now if your FROM tara'

Craven says, 'thats the problem'

Thundarr says, 'bring the other char types UP TO spec'

Thundarr feigns memories of EQ!

Isam nods solemnly.

Ea! says to Thundarr, 'It's a myth...'

Craven says, 'how many peoplf rom agrabah aren't 3rd circle mages?'

Ea! says, 'By strengthening one, we weaken others...'

Isam says to Craven, 'i know a couple :P'

Craven says, 'I have 1...qwine'

Craven laughs at Thundarr.

Kaige says to Ea!, 'then we'll get yelled at for having to boost mobs again'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven snickers softly.

Craven says, 'the builders are way ahead of you on that one'

Craven says, 'besides'

Ea! says, 'I think it was the change the augment that was spun by players as "weakening surgeons" or something like that.'

Craven says, 'if the mud is fine NOW the way tara is'

Ea! says, 'Maybe it was vice versa. I forget.'

Craven says, 'upping everyone to the level of tara shouldn't affect things much'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'ya 60 spir is too low'

Craven says, 'except you might see more chartypes from other hometowns'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'thats the real prob, 60 spir is too low'

Craven says, '60 spirit is fine, it should only heal like 30 hp for 35 mana though'

Sandra thinks the mind req is too low.

Thundarr says, '90 dex 80 perc 60 spir'

Craven says to Sandra, 'thats balanced by mana though'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven snickers at Thundarr nastily.

Sandra says, 'not really'

Isam says, 'surgeons and auggmentors are completely different classes'

Thundarr once had a 100 dex 91 mind 60 spir augger

Craven says to Thundarr, 'I didn't hear you bitching about augmenters when you were using them :)'

Craven says, 'In fact I remember having these same discussions with you'

Thundarr says to Craven, 'i do use them, the yare effective, but i'd rather the spir req was 75'

Sandra still has one of those.

Thundarr says, 'make you GIVE up something to aug'

Craven says, 'actually'

Craven says, 'why don't you adda nother level'

Craven says, 'which is 80 spirit'

Craven says, 'much like expert fight skills'

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says, 'course, I also have a 95str,80con,75dex,60spi one too'

Craven says, 'then you have a 40/60/80'

Thundarr goes EEK! at Sandra in distress - isn't Sandra an awful person for teasing?

Craven says, 'and make augment a lot weaker of course'

Isam says, '80 spirit is better heals :P'

Craven says, 'or bump it up and make a new 60 one'

Thundarr says, 'i do like the remove of spam gear tho'

Craven says, 'yea, thats not very hard'

Thundarr says, 'and the hp/dam changes'

Craven says, 'I might not have had stats that good'

Craven says, 'but I had one close'

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Thundarr says, 'who is the master of SL now?'

Craven says, 'I try not to make augmenters anymore'

Craven says, 'I feel like I'm cheating'

Thundarr says, 'as for as builder'

Craven says, 'for all my characters, I have like...2 augmenters'

Craven says, 'and one was never designed to be one'

Thundarr has 2 also

Craven says, 'I don't pk with mine though'

Craven pokes Ea! in the ribs.

Craven says to Ea!, 'do you guys even agree on your wizlist that strength is broken?'

Thundarr says, 'hey about letting some of us help you guys code this stuff?'

Craven says, 'the problem isn't manpower thundarr'

Craven says, 'though thats a small problem'

Thundarr says, 'ea! cant code it all'

Craven says, 'its the red tape'

Sandra says, 'lots of us can code'

Craven says, 'your right, he isn't allowed to'

Thundarr says, 'how can you have red tape on a game with 50 players?'

Craven says, 'type wizlist'

Thundarr says, 'daoc imps more stuff and they have 200,000 players'

Craven says, 'and realize the majority of them have some say in decisions'

Sandra says, 'um, do me a big favour'

Sandra says, 'don't compare us to shit ;)'

Thundarr says, 'just be like rufus and do it'

Sandra says, 'and doac = shit'

Craven says, 'thats the problem lately'

Kaige says, 'they also have people paid to sit there for 12-14 hours a day to do it too.. and probably at least 50 peopel doing it full time'

Thundarr says, 'did you play it?'

Craven says, 'there are too many hands in the kitchen as the saying goes'

Sandra says, 'for about an hour'

Kaige says, 'been there done that.. it's no where near a fair comparison'

Thundarr says, 'its about 10,000 more advanced than here'

Sandra says, 'it's shit'

Thundarr says, 'but lacks the community'

Thundarr shrugs philosophically.

Craven says, 'while there may be more people working on it kaige'

Craven says, 'its also infinately more intricate of a project'

Isam says, 'i dont see any comparison between a mud and a mmorpg, once again'

Kaige says, 'oh I'm not arguing about that. there's definitely a LOT more pieces to put together for soemthign like that'

Craven says, 'I'll probably try the starwars game'

Isam says, 'mmorpgs are much more like a first person shooter'

Thundarr says, 'question is, how long cna it take 10 of you to agree and code this stuff?'

Craven says, 'unfortunately that is true'

Craven says, 'I hate first person mode'

Thundarr sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'seriously'

Craven says, 'I think there should be 5 people who have a say in coding'

Kaige says to Thundarr, 'you'd be amazed.'

Thundarr says, 'i like bug fixes and all'

Craven says, 'Ea!, Ladyace, Sandra, Zandy *puke*, and Kaige'

Thundarr says to Kaige, 'dang, your the imp, just say how it is and so be it'

Isam says, 'why not just 2 :P'

Kaige says to Thundarr, 'I'm not always right.'

Craven says, 'treat the lower imms the way you treat the players'

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Thundarr says to Kaige, 'ask ptah =P'

Kaige says to Craven, 'what about the other coders'

Craven says, 'its not a democracy :)'

Isam says to Kaige, 'if your the most powerfull, being right doens't matter'

Isam grins evilly.

Craven says, 'kaige'

Thundarr says, 'heh aint he working for mythic now anywa?'

Thundarr says, 'or hmmm sony verant?'

Craven says, 'if some coder at a company thinks he has some great idea'

Craven says, 'it doesn't matter if the higher ups don't like it'

Craven says, 'however'

Craven says, 'it does not work that way vise versa'

Kaige says, 'SOE'

Craven says, 'if he thinks some new idea he has to code is retarded, he will do it anyway'

Thundarr nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'now'

Thundarr says, 'star wars galaxies right?'

Ea! says, 'The problemis, we're not always right.'

Craven says, 'I'm not saying kick them out of the process'

Kaige nods her agreement with Thundarr.

Craven says, 'let them discuss it'

Craven says, 'do NOT let them have a say in the vote'

Thundarr says, 'for gods sake yo ucan take code out'

Thundarr says, 'just try it, go test mud again'

Craven says, 'ask their opinion'

Craven says, 'but don't let them dump a project'

Kaige says, 'it's the discussing it that is often the red tape as you put it.'

Isam says, 'is this is the longest running qa, ever?'

Thundarr says, 'like when the con/hp str/dam /dex/hit stuff went in'

Thundarr says, 'bash was 5 rounds hehe'

Craven says, 'fine'

Craven says, 'how about this'

Craven says, 'put up a poll'

Thundarr nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'list 10, 20 problems you think need fixed'

Ea! says, 'How am I supposed to put something in knowing that few people on the imm staff support the change?'

Craven says, 'ask the players what they think'

Craven says, 'THEN'

Craven says, 'put up possible solutions, and ask what they think too'

Craven sighs wistfully at the sight of Ea!.

Thundarr says, 'rufus used to =P'

Craven says, 'you put things in with little support from us'

Craven says, 'and you seem to have little problem doing it :)'

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Isam says, 'hhee'

Craven says, 'you may think of some whiner who is only looking out for myself'

Craven says, 'what you don't realize is no matter what "balance" changes you make, they WILL affect me somehow'

Craven says, 'because I guarentee I have a character that does whatever you change'

Craven says, 'therefore balance in all ways is important to me, not just this character'

Rusalka yawns.

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Rusalka says, 'i see'

Craven says, 'I may not have an inside scoop'

Craven says, 'and neither do any of the morts'

Craven says, 'but I swear to god...why can't you guys agree on anything?'

Rusalka says, 'because we all care a lot'

Craven says, 'it didn't used to be this way, it couldn't have been'

Rusalka says, 'yes it was'

Craven says, 'things used to CHANGE'

Kaige says, 'because we're also trying to look further than the current character we're playing too.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Rusalka.

Rusalka says, 'why'

Ea! says to Craven, 'We also used to have more free time.'

Rusalka says, 'the further you go'

Craven sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'you just told me ea'

Rusalka says, 'the fewer your options for change are'

Craven says, 'some big change you wanted was completely shot down'

Rusalka says, 'because the more instability they'd cause'

Kaige says, 'yeah. and I had a lot more energy to put toward getting something in because I felt it was the right thing to do and the time to work on it myself'

Craven says, 'you guys are always talking about letting imms work on what they want because if they want to do it they'll be more interested'

Craven says, 'well no wonder you have no interest in coding ea! if your forced to code things you don't like'

Craven shakes his head.

Craven says, 'my own personal feelings is its non of pr's buisiness what coding does'

Craven says, 'and the same goes the other way aroun'

Kaige says, 'more like keeps getting knocked down for coding the things he's interested in'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Actually, what discourages me more is the complaining from the morts every time I make a change... even things that I expect to be a simple change -- popular to some, nothing to others, cause a major uproar.'

Craven says, 'you should each be a professional in your line of immship'

Kaige says, 'it sure as hell is pr's business.. not in what number goes where.. but how it affects the players'

Craven says, 'not dabble in everything'

Rusalka nods her agreement with Kaige.

Rusalka says, 'most of us have a core area'

Rusalka says, 'which is our mainstay'

Rusalka says, 'but good builders'

Rusalka says, 'are often also good pr'

Rusalka says, 'that's one example'

Kaige says, 'or good coders'

Rusalka nods her agreement with Kaige.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Rusalka says, 'there are overlaps'

Craven says, 'it sounds to me like congress'

Craven says, 'they never get anything done because they can't agree'

Craven says, 'even simple things'

Rusalka says, 'congress has speical interests lobbying'

Isam says, 'nono'

Ea! says to Craven, 'I think you're overestimating. I had a few ideas shot down. It wasn't that bad.'

Isam says, 'if was congress, the ritch of us would get our changes passed by paying for their campaigns :P'

Craven says, 'am I? I'm not so sure'

Craven says, 'I'm to the point now I don't care what the change is'

Craven says, 'even if it ruins 8 of my characters'

Ea! says, 'It would have.'

Craven says, 'somehow I highly doubt that'

Craven says, 'unless it was chocs idea'

Isam says, 'what was that?'

Craven says, '"level 50 is now 500 million xp, same xp system"'

Isam blinks.

Craven says, 'that wasn't it'

Craven says, 'but choc has stated before he thinks it should take ages to hit 50'

Craven says, 'just an example'

Isam says, 'why not just be like the stupid muds with 200+ levels?'

Isam snickers softly.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'it should be an achievement.. not something run off in a week or less'

Kaige says, 'because that's even more pointless'

Craven says, 'fine'

Craven says, 'if its going to be hard to get to'

Craven says, 'it should have far better rewards'

Isam says, 'hmm'

Craven says, 'i.e. more skills, etc.'

Isam says, 'i best say nothing'

Craven says, 'maybe at 50 you get advanced kick'

Isam says, 'but i think leveling is fine now =P'

Ea! says, 'Actually -- a lot of them were shot down on the "this is an okay idea, but it's taking away and we should put in some bonuses at the same time." So they might appear, if I can dream up some good bonuses.'

Craven says, 'It's always bothered me there are no skills after 35'

Craven says, 'the game really should max at 35'

Isam says, '!'

Isam says, 'greater charmies'

Craven snickers softly.

Craven says, 'thats not a skill'

Isam says, 'well'

Isam says, 'its sometihng you get past 35'

Craven says, 'fine'

Craven says, 'can you name another?'

Isam squints.

Craven says, 'and thats a fairly new addition'

Craven says, 'consider how long this has been a level 50 max mud'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I assume with trees, more skills are over 34'

Craven says, '35'

Craven says, 'so its not that important anyway'

Isam says, 'i just realized'

Ea! says, 'I forget.'

Isam says, 'i'm the only mort here with craven'

Craven chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'anyway'

Isam yawns.

Craven says, 'I should go soon too'

Kaige needs to get the monsters in their beds.

Craven says, 'some day, god willing, I will see one of these godlist posts...'

Craven says, 'it'll happen, oh yes :P'

Ea! says to Craven, '"That's a stupid idea you damn bastard."'

Ea! says, 'Or something to that affect, though generally less pleasant.'

Isam says, 'hmm'

Isam says, 'how nice'

Craven says, 'ha'

Ea! says, 'Though, frankly, they're a lot better than they used to be.'

Craven says, 'but you get upset when we hate your change :)'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says to Craven, 'Yep.'

Craven says, 'I just hate cosmetic changes, which seems to be the trend'

Craven says, 'especially ones I can't turn off'

Isam snickers softly.

Craven says, '*personally*, I find them a waste of time'

Craven says, 'but, I conceed that some people think they are great'

Kaige told him to make it that way just to annoy you.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Craven says, 'things like changing the newbie creation crap to say things like, will this get you laughed out of a tavern'

Isam says, 'hehe'

Craven says, 'and of course this new social crap'

Isam says, 'we've had some great names from newbies lately'

Kaige says, 'if it's 2 seconds of time,. what the hell do you care?'

Craven says, 'because its never 2 seconds'

Isam nods his agreement with Kaige.

Craven says, 'because thought had to be put into that'

Craven says, 'because I guarentee it had to be "approved" by your godlist, that the wording was correct yada yada yada'

Isam yawns.

Craven says, 'and the majority of them aren't 2 seconds'

Isam blinks.

Isam says, 'alrighty'

Isam says, 'bye people'

Craven says, 'but as I said'

Ea! says, 'typo fixes and things like that generally are 2 seconds. Which is why they get done these days and not much else -- it's hard to find more than 2 seconds at a time.'

Craven says, 'I conceed that some people like that crap'

Craven says, 'I don't'

Isam says, 'good to hear all the ruckus craven caused- i think'

Craven says, 'and the stuff I like, some people don't like'

Craven says, 'I just get fustrated when its not even close to balanced'

Craven says, 'just like I'm sure the cosmetic people hate when we have 6 months of balance changes'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I know you don't understand'

Craven says, 'but its actually exciting to look at the changes when its posted'

Craven says, 'or used to be, lately it isn't, but thats because of time and other things'

Craven says, 'I try to read area changes'

Craven says, 'that interests me occasionally'

Craven says, 'especially during the oddessy times'

Craven says, 'was there an oddessy this year?'

Craven doesn't remember it...

Rusalka peers at Craven, looking him up and down.

Craven says, 'I was fairely non-existant this summer'

Kaige says to Craven, 'it wasl probably all cosmetic, but you could check the welcome board. I think they're still all up there'

Craven says, 'no new items or mobs?'

Craven says, 'if not then your right, I probably won't care :)'

Kaige says, 'it's on the board. I can't laundry list everything off when it's already there'

Craven nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'how many years have you done that now?'

Craven says, '3?'

Craven says, 'I remember the first year of it being very nice'

Kaige says, 'i think 3'

Kaige says, 'yeah I about killed myself too'

Craven says, 'things like the katar, that crown the sheriff got in nottingham...'

Craven says, 'the wyrm shield'

Craven looks up into the sky and ponders.

Craven says, 'I can't remember anything in indus but I'm sure something was added'

Craven says, 'those don't go up until tomorrow do they...'

Kaige hasn't had time to write them up yet

Craven grumbles.

Craven nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'they must not have specific titles...'

Craven says, 'have you guys ever considered cushions for houses that increase healing rates?'

Kaige says, 'only Area Updates for each week this summer'

Craven says, 'they could add like 2000, 3000 a day'

Craven says, 'and increase healing by 10 or 15%'

Kaige says, 'I'd rather put them in more public places if we had to resort to something like that'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'just trying to give myself a reason to buy a house :)'

Craven says, 'any plans in the future to make them more useable to hold things?'

Craven says, 'i.e. it doesn't cost you so much to hold something?'

Craven says, 'like a chest that costs 1k rent but saves you half on everything in it or something, I don't know'

Craven says, 'I really would love to have a house that could hold something without destroying my bank account...'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'no other reason for a house really...'

Craven says, 'unless you want to hide from people'

Craven says, 'it would be cool to be a warrior and have a sword on your wall'

Craven says, 'and sometimes use it'

Craven says, 'switch off'

Craven says, 'or whatever'

Craven says, 'without costing you 8k a day....'

Kaige says, 'wow.. Primary Houses: 115, Secondary Houses: 260, Clan Rooms: 62'

Craven says, 'secondary houses?'

Kaige says, 'lots of people find reasons to build houses with LOTS of rooms on them'

Craven says, 'Oh I know people like them'

Kaige says, 'not just the first room built'

Craven says, 'the idea of one is great to me'

Craven says, 'but I can't find a practical use to buy it'

Craven says, 'so I resist the urge'

Craven says, 'I've had houses'

Craven says, 'but I always get rid of them because I never use them'

Kaige says, 'it's just another option available'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Craven says, 'its nicer to sit in the inn and talk to people, so thats not an option'

Kaige says, 'anyway.. I really need to get these two moving.'

Craven nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'I should get to sleep soon, too. Tommorow's going to be a long day.'

Kaige comforts Ea!.

Craven raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Kaige says, 'see y'all later... ' Kaige hopes she doesn't have to make 4 trips to the school tomorrow again.

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Rusalka comforts Ea!.

Craven goes EEK! in distress.

Rusalka comforts Kaige.

Rusalka gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige hugs Rusalka.

Kaige waves happily.

Additional Topics Answered

Also, as you'll find below, some of the builders will have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

Commonly Reported as Bugs but Aren't

o Mobs heal too fast they're healing rate should be the same as ours...

Actually - mob heal rate is equivalent to a sleeping player if they're not engaged. If a mob is engaged in combat, it's healing rate is actually *slower* than players.

o I built a room and it said it came with itemA and itemB, but i only see itemB! Where's itemA?

Not all furniture has long descriptions. The idea behind this was to help control spam and since it's mentioned in the room description you get the idea it's there. If you suspect something isn't there, try using a social or other command on it to check.

Spell Information

o Thanks bunches for create note for creates! now we just need to be able to create wine too!

This would most likely be rolled into another existing create spell to increase it's functionality.

Suggestions/Questions

o Please remove the addition of moods to socials. They don't really add much except to make it possible to do totally illogical things like frowning happily or yawning excitedly.

Just like some socials and certain objects in the game, all combinations will not always look righ or make sense but it would be close to impossible to special case them so only the logical ones were possible. It may take a little more effort and planning on your part just like with socials and objects themselves. You can also set up aliases in your client for certain socials or other commands that you always want to come out a certain way as well. Just use and the mood will only apply for that command.

That said, we are hoping to put a couple more refinements in so that players could have combats mood separate from their regular moods. But it probably won't be as involved as Israfel's suggestions on the discussion board.

o Can we get an npc who operates to heal you for gold, non-pk timered?

There is one already! There are many different types of in-game healing available from NPCs and that's one of the services offered. Explore more.

o There should be some way to do banking from a house, so that you could buy and sell from your own house.

Player run shops are on our wish list, but are still a ways off. As far as doing banking from your house, we purposely don't support that so there is a reason to come out of your house and mix with other players.

o If we get charged penalities for withdrawing, we should earn interest while they have our money!

This also came up again at last week's Q&A and is a popular recurring question, so feel free to check back over the old logs for reasoning as well. However, the economy is such that the the inflow of money is always greater than what players have to spend it on. So we don't see much point in adding to that inflow.

o It couldn't hurt to start characters off with some money in the bank.

All characters get an amount of gold to start with. We recommend socking some away as insurance so you'll have some if you need it.

o I like the addition of bats, spiders and dockers, though. Now if London could only get some new rooms. An East End, perhaps, complete with the Ripper himself.

You'll have to wait and see what Leila's got cooked up in the big London expansion. Sorry, no eta on when it'll be installed.

o Change the 15 char limit to 25 for clans so the mud can grow.

It's already 20 and is correct in the helpfile. There are also no clans pushing that limit and the average clan has 10 members. So it doesn't seem that there's a problem with open member slots. If the limit is increased again, there will also likely be a corresponding increase in the minimum number required as well.

Also, this wouldn't do much for growing the mud itself. That takes word of mouth from you guys, and a bit of advertising on the imms part.

o How about a trip social, such and such trips over their own feet and falls flat on their face. or something... trip object would be such and such trips over <object> and falls flat on their face... just cos i'd like to be able to trip over my skirt.

This is slated to be a skill at some point. And with the exception of channels, you can easily do that already with the emote command.

o If I place a string on a temporary item, like an orb of light, will that string save with me when I rent, or does it vanish with the orb when I rent?

It will vanish when you rent.

o When strung timed items poof, does the string poof too?

Unless it's one of the above situations, strings are generally safe these days. Timed items (unless it is a corpse, food, fountain or bandage) will have the item removed but leave a storage string.

o Why are the 50 hp rings so renty? I'm told that it balances because the mobs are easy or something, and for one, Eva is *not* easy. I think most people find normal 5 stat rings to be more favoured, and more used, and some of them come from pretty easy mobs too, and are only 1k rent or so, so I can't understand the need for the hp rings to be 3.5k when they don't really offer a whole lot.

While stat items may cost less rent, there is a different formula for calculating hp/mana/mv rent on items. The reason for this is so that there aren't 30 different +hp items for each slot and people walking about with 1k+ hp. It is a balance issue, but not because of the mobs they come from.

o Not to sound jealous, but I noticed Matrix is now a LoP, but there was no voting...If voting is discontinued, it should probably be corrected on the webpage, if not, how come we didn't vote for him?

We don't ask for votes for immorts that retire and wish to enter LoP. It's a choice that they have for the effort and work they've put into the game over the years. Voting still goes on for mortal characters that wish to enter LoP.

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