August 22nd, 2002

Restraining Orders & Q&As?

Becca says to Kaige, 'just a question, does my restraining order keep me from Q&A, or no?'

Nexela peers at Becca, looking her up and down.

LadyAce says, 'restraining order is between two morts, not to do with Q & A, is it?'

LadyAce looks confused.

Kaige says to Becca, 'as long as people are polite it shouldn't matter'

Isam says, 'got me'

Becca nods her agreement with Kaige.

Becca says to Kaige, 'just checking'

Nexela says, 'hope its not against me'

Kaige says, 'if people use it as another place to snipe at each other, they can be asked to leave'

Nexela ducks to the ground.

Becca says to Nexela, 'no, it isn't.'

Nexela pants.

Nexela says, 'WHEW'

Nexela says, 'SO many people hate me I dont keep track anymore'

Becca says to Kaige, 'though I do have a question, and it seems a little silly, but why all the Masha bashing from newbies as of late?'

Kaige says, 'I dunno. I haven't been here all week.'

Becca thinks it's a little silly, herself, but hey, just need to ask and see if anyone has a scientific answer.

Nexela says, 'Masha is well.......... Unexplainable'

Becca says to Kaige, 'well, it forced me to archive her and have someone else put a password lock on her, and I nearly did it with this alt too.'

Nexela nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Becca scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Nexela projects an aura of heavenly light above Becca's head.

Nexela gives Becca a great big smooch!

Kaige says to Becca, 'perhaps they don't realize all her answers are IC and take it personally?'

Kaige shrugs helplessly.

Becca nods her agreement with Kaige.

Nexela nods his agreement with Kaige.

Becca says to Kaige, 'probably it, but I do have a question about harassment.'

Harassment and Forced RP?

Becca says, 'Okay, with the latest harrassment things and whatnot.. isn't it considered harassment that when you're told to stop, you should stop, and you don't, it's harassment, right?'

LadyAce says, 'in general, yes. Sometimes the specifics are not so very clear, or the thing someone's being asked to stop doing doesn't really count....'

Kaige says, 'or if the flames are being fanned from both sides'

LadyAce says, 'If someone asks another person to stop playing, it's not harassment if they continue :)'

Becca says to LadyAce, 'I see. Just wondering, because there was a disturbing RP thing going around and they refused to stop'

Isam raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Becca says to LadyAce, 'this person was told by several people it wasn't funny and to please stop, and to my knowledge, it still continues.'

Becca says to Isam, 'nothing to do with you, hon'

LadyAce says, 'well, I think you'd need to take that up with an imm and work through them for your answer.'

Becca says, 'we did. Those that were on, didn't do anything to stop it'

LadyAce says, 'you can appeal their decision to Zandy and or Kaige, certainly -- if you know they saw it/talked to them directly about it'

Becca says to LadyAce, 'hard to do when Kaige is sleeping, and Zandy isn't anywhere to be seen'

Becca winks suggestively at LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'then again, if it's an RP thing, it's often better to simply talk it out with the person, rather than take it to harassment court first off.'

Becca says to LadyAce, 'Those involved did. The person who was continuing it refused.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'gag and gagchannel are also good tools'

Nexela says, 'I hate those tools'

Craven nods his agreement with Nexela.

LadyAce says, 'then judging if it's harassment is left to the imms -- and then to an appeal, and then to gag/gagchannel.'

Becca says, 'I did, and they stood right outside the place where we were RPing and had those disgusting little charmie skelly babies yelling'

Kaige says, 'and yes, it's been suggested that if you gag the charm's owner the charm gets gagged too.'

Kaige says, 'so accept them and attack?'

Becca says to Kaige, 'She wasn't accepting anyone'

LadyAce says, 'Kaige and Zandy are available over mud/email if you don't run into them.'

Becca nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'they had to be abominations that needed eliminated.'

LadyAce says, 'or you could just ignore them'

Becca says, 'just wanted to know the rules of harassment and whatnot was all. Thanks'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'ignoring people who are trying to push buttons is often the best way to deal with them... takes THEIR fun away... but yes, I know it's one of the HARDEST to actually do'

Becca tries not to gagchannel and gag people, but gets really bad about it at times.

Seoni Quest Comments

Nexela says, 'ok more of an Idea/Flame'

Isam snickers softly.

Nexela says, 'Seoni earring quest'

Kaige blames Ptah.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Nexela says, 'ALL those Whois But if the quest stops in the middle IE mob dies mud crash someone kills you'

Craven grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

Nexela says, 'Why restart from the begining'

Nexela says, 'My alt is now entering his FOURTH time to do that quest'

LadyAce says, 'ah, maybe YOU're the one whose been crashing us :P'

Kaige says, 'I don't know. I'd have to go look at it closer, but I know certain steps expect previous ones to have been done to make sense'

Nexela says, 'It would be ok If I didnt have to start over from the WEEEE begning :P'

Nexela says, 'After I get one whois I shouldnt need to Redo the quest :P'

Craven says, 'that quest isn't that long'

LadyAce says, 'you can't really, say, rescue a princess from a tower until you climb up the ladder, unlock the door, kill the troll, and kiss her on the cheek'

Nexela says, 'but annoying'

Craven says, 'if your having that much of a problem with it, I'll lead you through it in 10 minutes after the q&a'

Craven says, 'probably less then 10 minutes'

LadyAce says, 'you can't start out just killing the troll, even if you figure out how to get to him without the ladder or the unlocking'

Nexela says to LadyAce, 'Yeah but thats one whois'

Nexela ducks to the ground.

Nexela says, 'Lemme splain'

Nexela says, 'I go get the seeds do the thing and restore the city'

Nexela says, 'I got the whois'

Nexela says, 'Now if the mud crashes etc'

LadyAce says, 'k, mud reboots, city is back to needing restoring again.'

Kheldar says, 'part of that is caused by a builder using a temp flag and removing some/all of the previous flags to get to that point in a quest. A crash or similar can lose your place forcing a restart'

Nexela says to LadyAce, 'BUT I already have a whois that says I restored it'

LadyAce says, 'needs doing again :)'

Nexela says, 'So why do I need to rerestore it again'

Kaige says, 'because the mud can't tell how long ago you restored it'

LadyAce says, 'it's for the logical flow of what you're accomplishing, essentially.'

Nexela grumbles.

Nexela says, 'Well eventually he will try the quest again :P'

LadyAce says, 'we could have it do different stuff with not giving you the whois so early, but that's not as nice :)'

Craven says, 'most quests have "markers" that keep track of how far you are through the quest, I think he's just asking for the same'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Nexela says, 'you people are difficult'

Craven says, 'for example you can rent in the middle of the rudh quest'

LadyAce says, 'well, that's easy except when the marker is also tied to a whois'

Isam says, 'or the longhouse'

Craven says, 'I don't think this matters much in my opinion, but whatever :)'

Nexela says, 'Im just saying if I restored the city I shouldnt have to re restore it thats my only qualm'

Nexela says, 'the rest is fine'

LadyAce says, 'then but the city needs to be in a restored state for you to proceed :)'

Nexela says, 'fine fine fine'

LadyAce says to Nexela, 'you can report the oddity on bug, and we can take a look sometime :)'

Contracts for Clan Membership

Craven says, 'my suggestion is I think we should add a "contract" command only useable by clans, perhaps rp as well as pk'

Craven says, 'the "contract" command would basicaly tie you to the clan for a set amount of time, without ANY way out'

Craven says, 'kinda like joining the navy'

Craven says, 'you are theres for 4 years unless they choose to release you'

Kaige thinks accept is a pretty good one since most of the GMs don't tend to change things once they're set

Deth says, 'I fail to see the point in doing that'

Nexela says to Kaige, 'I think this is a test'

Craven says, 'of course you could deny the contract, thus refusing to join the clan'

Craven says, 'because the problem with pk is the pk base isn't static, this would be one step in helping that'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'it's contract in joining the clan, not a contract on someone's head'

Ea! says, 'Hm.'

Craven says, 'I don't see it HURTING anything'

Kaige says, 'yeah, so if it's a pk clan, keeping the timer's active, pretty much keeps you in the clan.'

Craven says, 'all it would do is remove the ability to abandon'

Ea! says, 'You know, if I were to do that, I'd rather have it be something the GM sets on the clan and it applies to all members... but that might be a bit tricky.'

Craven says, 'well, I figure everyone has the same contract'

Craven says, 'but the problem is people join at different times'

Craven says, 'therefore they expire at different times'

LadyAce says, 'well, you would always abandon on archive, I'd think?'

Craven says, 'I figured the contract would be like the pkok timer'

LadyAce says, 'or inactivity/purge/recover'

Nexela jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Craven!

Craven says, 'so the contract would be a # of ic ticks'

Craven says, 'it wouldn't reset with fighting though'

Craven says, 'wouldn't work in houses, etc.'

Craven says, 'it would make you feel more a part of a team'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'and make your clanmates trust you a bit farther perhaps, knowing you can't just rn away'

Kaige says, 'logging in and playing with your clan members would too, and probably better'

Ea! says to Craven, 'throw it into idea? It strikes me as something that would fit in with some of the clan expansion ideas that we've tossed around... '

Craven says, 'whatever, it was a suggestion'

Craven says, 'you believe the "fix" for pk is 100% the responsibility of players, I think its 50/50, we won't ever agree there kaige :)'

Craven pets Kaige lovingly.

Kaige says, 'I don't think it's 99% code 1% players the way a lot of people seem to couch their suggestions'

Kaige says, 'and I haven't seen the 50% from the majority of the players to match the effort put in by the code so far'

Craven says to Kaige, 'the code portion needs to inspire people. Once that happens, people will do the rest'

Nexela says, 'PKOK Rocks it just needs tweakes'

Craven says to Kaige, 'code inspires people to xp'

Craven says to Kaige, 'because get get xp, levels, hp, skills, more rent, etc.'

Craven says to Kaige, 'otherwise people would sit in the stag at level 1 for 4 years talking'

Nexela says to Craven, 'people do that alreadyt'

Safe & Solitary Room Changes

Isam says, 'why were a number of safe rooms and now ticks in 1person rooms nerfed? well i get the 1 person rooms'

Isam says, 'but why did you kill a number of the safe rooms where rooting is possible'

Isam grumbles.

Nexela says, 'there needs to be more safe rooms'

LadyAce says, 'I think they were removed at the builder discretion to promote realism'

Isam says, 'but like 3 differnt rooms? different builders?'

LadyAce says, 'there was a discussion about them being unrealistic so some builders were inspired to make a change because of it.'

Isam says to LadyAce, 'ah'

Craven shakes his head.

Isam says to LadyAce, 'well, safe rooms are realistic ever?'

Ea! says to Isam, 'I think that's the question that started the discussion.'

LadyAce says to Isam, 'if there's a mob there to enforce it, or if mobs react to you later in a way you don't want if you try to fight, etc'

Isam says to LadyAce, 'ok, that makes sense'

Isam says to LadyAce, 'i'd like to see mobs enforce us not killing their children too.....hehe'

PK Exp and Motivations?

Isam says, 'oh and my other suggestion is pk should give the same xp you lose (ie 300k for a kill) craven just reminded me of that'

Isam snickers softly.

Craven says, 'hehe, thats an old one isam'

Craven says, 'it won't happen'

Isam says, 'i know'

Craven says, 'they fear people "allowing" you to kill me over and over for free xp'

Craven says to Nexela, 'exactly'

Craven says to Nexela, 'just like people will refuse to pk even with the "coded" inspiration'

Craven says to Nexela, 'the difference is how many'

Isam says, 'is just'

Kaige says, 'it's more fun to whine and moan that you're not getting any action than to go out and stir some up'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Craven says to Kaige, 'you can't stir up action'

Craven says to Kaige, 'if you make a name for yourself, people refuse to fight you because they fear death'

Kaige says to Craven, 'Infernals are doing a darn good job of it'

Craven says to Kaige, 'if you die constantly, you get jumped every other tick and can never acomplish anything'

Craven says, 'I could stand ic for 5 hours with mandarb and never be jumped'

Isam says, 'because i can never find you'

Isam grumbles to Craven.

Craven laughs at Isam.

Nexela throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Craven says to Isam, 'your not even aa'

Isam says to Craven, 'ah never mind'

Craven says, 'anyway, the contract idea was meant to make the pk community a tad more "static"'

Craven says, 'nothing more, nothing less'

Kaige nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'its hard as hell to pk if you never know who your enemy is because one day they are pk, the next not, the next are again'

Craven says, 'what barabas and the infernals and other clans are attempting to do is the 50% players. I just asked for the 50% code'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Ideas for Clans

Ea! says, 'To answer the question about clan ideas...'

Ea! says, 'I can't remember all the specifics, but the general idea was to add a large variety of options to clans that allow GMs to set some controls about how their clan works.'

Ea! says, 'And to allow them to assign specific responsibilities (and, perhaps clan-based titles) to specific members... so someone could be a treasurer who sets tithes, builds houses, etc.'

Craven nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'basically the GM is not the only one with power'

Craven says, 'more of a rank system?'

Ea! says, 'Well, the GM can delegate power how they want to.'

Adamar says, 'what...clans aren't democracy'

Craven says, 'some clans are'

Ea! says, 'The idea wouldn't be to code ranks, but to give the ability for GMs to set up ranks if they want to.'

Craven says, 'when I was the leader of MoD, we were 90% of the time a democracy.'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'when I say ranks, I mean power comes with ranks'

Craven says, 'thus the gm sets you to the rank of treasurer or whatever'

Ea! says, 'actually, technically, they are democracies.'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'because they can out a gm...'

Ea! says, 'I'm not sure how it'd be implemented, but probably each "function" of the clan could be set or unset on specific members.'

Craven nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'So the GM could give someone the power to set tithes, change claninfo, and induct people, but nothing else.'

Craven says, 'not sure how useful it would be but...yea'

Craven says, 'I'd like ranks :)'

Craven says, 'it adds to being in a clan'

Craven says, 'a REASON for joining'

Craven says, 'just like getting xp gets you levels, a sense of accomplishment'

Ea! says, 'I think we fixed the junk bug like... a month or so after pkok went in?'

Isam says, 'reason for clanning- get accepts'

Isam says, 'reason for getting xp- get to 50 so you can pk'

Talk/Say To -- Why Both?

Nexela says, 'Another flame'

Nexela ducks to the ground.

Nexela says, 'GET RID OF SAY TO'

Kaige peers at Nexela, looking him up and down.

Nexela says, 'That is the worst command ever'

Kaige says, 'you mean talk?'

Craven laughs with amusement.

Nexela says, 'no'

Nexela says, 'say to person etcccc'

Kaige says, 'yeah.. that's talk'

Craven says to Nexela, 'hi :)'

Isam says to Nexela, 'hey'

Nexela says, 'I start alot of sentences with to and desc ruins iut'

KMW says to Nexela, '?'

Nexela says, 'we have talk why do we need say to'

Isam says to Nexela, 'repeat commands for alot of things'

Craven says, 'say to doesn't exist'

Kaige says, 'because it's more intuitive to newbies'

Nexela says, 'yes it DOES'

Nexela says to Craven, 'say to craven hi'

Craven laughs with amusement.

Kaige says, 'say to calls do_talk'

Craven says, 'how can you accedently type say to keyword'

Adamar says, 'say to = talk'

Craven is completely boggled.

Nexela says, 'and we should be able to talk aaa, bbb to talk to 2 people'

Nexela nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

LadyAce says, 'that'd be a nice trick, talking out of two sides of your mouth :P'

Nexela says to LadyAce, 'no no no'

Nexela sighs loudly.

Nexela says to his group, 'HI'

Nexela says, 'that kinda thing'

LadyAce says, 'gtell? :)'

Nexela says, 'no no no'

Nexela says, 'Public but to the group'

How often are Purges?

Adamar says, 'how often do you purge characters for inactivity, how often do i have to login before i get deleted'

Isam says to Adamar, '30 days i think :P'

Craven says to Adamar, 'just archive'

Adamar says, 'i have big house...'

LadyAce says to Adamar, 'we run the check at the beginning of each month. If the person hasn't been on at all the previous month, out it goes'

Adamar says, 'so it is the beginning fo the month'

Adamar nods solemnly.

Hometown Info in Char Gen?

Deth says, 'thanks... this may have been discussed before but I just came back from a 3 year leave of this game'

Deth says, 'but I was wondering how complete you guys want hometown info to be when creating a char'

Deth says, 'I spent a huge amount of time debating how I wanted to build the new Deth'

Deth says, 'and I really didnt know what hometowns offered what'

Isam says, 'logon a guest and ask?'

Isam ponders his own existence - better keep an eye on him.

Isam says, 'i'm so helpfull'

Nexela nods his agreement with Isam.

Kaige says, 'and the help section on them in char creation, wasn't?'

Deth says, 'the info files are fairly good and hinting at the skill set.. but i've had people tell me that some things are wrong'

Nexela says, 'help hometown helps too'

Kaige says to Deth, 'best way to get those fixed is to have people point out what they see as wrong using the bug command'

Deth says, 'I'm just wondering if saying that a town has "no herbal knowledge" includes skills like make staff'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Deth says, 'or if they say they cant be master poets means what?'

Isam says, 'it means that they uhm........can't praise? guess'

Deth says, 'or how is someone who picks the more recent eras supposed to know that they can learn better levels of parry'

Deth says, 'that is why I am asking if you guys like the current method of hometown info or want to be more explicit about it'

Ea! says, 'I think part of the feeling is that a newbie really won't have a good sense of whether something like make staff will be useful for them -- and as such, adding that level of detail doesn't help much.'

Kaige says, 'I think we like that people have to do a bit of thinking about their skills/etc and all, I don't think we want a laundry list with SKILLS YOU CAN LEARN and ONES YOU CAN"T'

Ea! says, 'but that isn't to say that it couldn't be better.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Basara nods his agreement with Ea!.

Basara says, 'I like make staff'

Deth says, 'ok well I can understand that view'

Lima Hometown Comments

Craven says, 'you guys should fix lima, I'd love to have a liman character be useful again'

Craven nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Basara says, 'I'm a Liman character'

Craven says, 'I'm sorry'

Nexela says to Craven, 'they are useful'

Craven comforts Basara.

Craven snickers softly.

Basara says, 'I know... it's the only character where 50 pracs isn't enough'

Craven says, 'lima is tara without augment, words, and in exchange you get advanced parry and repair...'

Deth says, 'and surgery?'

Craven says, 'worthless surgery'

Basara says, 'but, you get abilities that you can use to imitate spells'

Basara says, 'you do a bit of everything.'

Craven chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'well if you like it, more power to you'

Deth says, 'gun play + brew aint bad'

Craven says, 'hey kaige, how many people online are currently lima?'

Basara says, 'granted, best at none, but still fun.'

Craven says, 'I had a question...let me see...'

Kaige says, 'currently? 1'

Deth says, 'heh'

Basara laughs with amusement.

Basara rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Nexela throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Kaige says, 'but it varies'

Deth says, 'hmm... perhaps hometowns might want to be looked at :P'

Basara says, 'hahahaha....'

Craven says, 'told you lima blows :P'

Nexela says, 'dont worry soon as I get rid of my alts coupon Im making a liman'

LadyAce says, 'trends do not always reflect reality :)'

Craven says, 'trends?'

Basara says to Craven, 'I like the path less walked.'

Deth says, 'hahah but trends are real'

Craven says, 'Limans haven't been popular since the surgery change'

Basara says, 'even if my skills make me weaker as heck'

Craven says, 'also spam hurt lima too'

Nexela says, 'I still think Liman surgeons are just as good'

Craven says, 'snipers used to go lima and spam brew...but no more'

Kaige says, 'a single snapshot doesn't make a trend either'

Craven says, 'RIIIIIGHHHTTT'

Craven says, 'liman surgeons are obviously subpar'

Craven says, 'they heal like 10-20 hp an operate'

Craven says, 'london first aid is better half the time :P'

Nexela says to Basara, 'how good are your heals'

Basara says, 'I don't mind, surgery's boring... if you don't like my operate... that's fine with me. ;)'

Basara winks suggestively at Craven.

Basara says, 'my operate ranges from 10-near 30'

Balance Issues & Two-Handed Bows

Craven says, 'oh yea, I was going to ask that since all bows were made 2 handed, thus destroying balance even more in my opinion, if you could add like crossbows that take 2 rounds to reload instead of 1, but are 1 handed'

Craven says, ':)'

Deth says to Craven, 'mind if I aks you about bows later on? i'm trying to make a 3rd circ archer atm...'

Basara puts a thumb knife with a worn ivory handle in a pair of rough leather boots.

Nexela says, 'same as london :P'

Craven says to Deth, 'even harder now with the bow changes'

Kaige says, 'a cross bow will still be two-handed... a cross bow pistol wouldn't be'

Craven says, 'thats not true'

Craven says, 'small crossbows can be used one handed'

Craven says, 'very small damage'

Basara says to Craven, 'so it's a dipable gun'

Craven says, 'maybe wouldn't even shoot across rooms like bows do now'

Nexela says, 'can they blind'

Nexela ducks to the ground.

Kaige says, 'which is why I said a crossbow pistol could be...'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I have no idea why bows were changed'

Nexela says, 'to make em realistic'

Craven says, 'if your going to retaliate with reality, then I say in reality if I debone you with a serrated sword, your DEAD'

Craven says, 'you won't live 8 more rounds'

Basara says to Kaige, 'I've also throw in the IDEA before, that we should have something like a 1-handed harpoon gun, where we can use it under water.'

Kaige says to Basara, 'Yeah, that's more a "we need a flag that says this can be used underwater"'

Basara nods his agreement with Kaige.

Craven says, 'not to mention in reality I can't call firestorms, change the weather, or summon dopples. nor will you live through 37 shots from a gun'

Nexela says to Craven, 'WAITTTTT A MINUTE'

Kaige says to Craven, 'see my repeated rantings on "consistent internal mechanics" vs "realism"'

Craven says, 'we used to have the reality discussion constantly when imms were abundant before going into extinction :)'

Craven says, 'IMMS always stated that balance and fun were rated over realism'

Craven points at Kaige.

Nexela says, 'Have you ever use a bow one handed'

Craven says, 'doesn't matter'

Nexela peers at Craven, looking him up and down.

Craven says, 'have you ever immolated a boat captain?'

Nexela says, 'LEGEND'

Craven says, 'fine'

Craven says, 'in legend, people couldn't immolate in pittsburg'

Nexela says, 'Ive never heard of a one handed bow in any legends'

Deth says, 'look... if you want to go towards reality with bows... explain holding 2 items, a shield while wielding a 2 handed weapon'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven nods his agreement with Deth.

Basara says to Deth, 'we're just really, really good.'

Craven says, 'I guess I don't even care about bows being 2 handed'

Deth sighs loudly.

Craven says, 'BUT'

Deth wishes he were that good

Craven says, 'a 2 handed ANYTHING should be a +8 stat item, not +5'

Craven says, 'stats are too important in this game'

Craven says, 'you can't just give up a slot'

Basara nods his agreement with Craven.

Kaige says to Deth, 'if I wanted to go to REALITY you wouldn't have an inventory with stuff floating around you'

Craven says, 'in doing so you seriously hurt your character'

Deth says, 'awesome'

Kaige says, 'practical? playable? prolly not compared to what we have right now'

Craven says, 'think of an inventory as pockets :)'

Basara says, 'very true, either that or the two-handed items should give some non-stat bonus...'

Craven says, 'exactly'

Craven says, 'for example'

Craven says, 'if I'm holding my weapon 2 handed'

Craven says, 'shouldn't I HIT harder?'

Craven says, 'get some type of damage bonus'

Nexela says, 'Yell when its my turn'

Nexela says, 'NM I forgot the question'

Nexela sighs loudly.

Craven laughs at Nexela.

Craven says to Nexela, 'thats 2 :)'

Kaige says, 'depends... are you're controlling it, or it's controlling you =)'

Craven says, 'I like the idea of 2 handed items'

Craven says, 'I love anything that adds diversity and makes you make a choice'

Craven says, 'but the choices should both be equally viable'

Nexela says, 'Ok I remember now'

Deth says, 'creating a character is a tough choice already'

Craven says, 'as it stands, I see no point to using a bow, it hurts stats far to much'

Craven says, 'same goes for 2 handed weapons'

Basara nods his agreement with Craven.

Nexela nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'beowulf staff and excutioners axe, both VERY cool weapons, ruined because the 2handed code sucks'

Basara says, 'one word: skyblade.'

Nexela says, 'Unless 2 handed weapons were 8net'

Nexela says, 'at least'

Craven nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'or did other things'

Craven says, 'like 2 handed = damage bonus'

Nexela nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'why can't 2 handed weapons/bows/items/whatever be made more useful'

Craven says, 'as it stands 2 handed is only a detriment'

Craven says, 'there are no advantages'

Craven says, 'even timed has an advantage; less rent'

Craven says, 'make 2 handed weapons/bows have a chance to critically hit for 1/2 more damage'

Craven says, 'then people would use them'

Deth says, 'perhaps everyone would'

Nexela says, '2 handed weapons would be nice if the were A)heaveier doing more damage or b)8+ net'

Craven says, 'not necessarily'

Deth says, 'that seems sorta huge'

Craven says, 'if the chance is 25%'

Craven says, 'I don't know that I would'

Basara says, 'well, what about two-handed guns?'

Craven says, 'your giving up 5 stat points for one thing'

Craven says to Basara, 'I'm talking 2 handed everything'

Nexela says to Basara, '2 handed guns just suck'

Craven says, 'imms are gone though :P'

Deth says, 'giving up 5 stat points for a pure fighter type is almost nothing'

Craven says, 'not really'

Craven says, 'I don't wanna give up any points with my fighter'

Nexela nods his agreement with Deth.

Craven says, 'my fighter has all old gear and 100 str/con 78 dex'

Nexela says, 'errr'

Craven says, '5 points is 2 hitroll'

Craven says, 'hitroll is vital'

Nexela nods his agreement with Craven.

Deth says, 'yeah... but you are getting 25% 1.5 damage'

Craven chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'what if on that hit I did 30 damage'

Craven says, 'now I do 45?'

Craven says, 'ooooh'

Craven says, 'and the damcap is still the damcap'

Craven says, 'and lets be honest'

Craven says, 'Fighers could use the boost anyway, assuming any used it'

Deth says, 'heh... damcap sorta renders crit hits sorta worthless'

Nexela says to Craven, 'FLAME ON!'

Craven throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Basara manages to calm everyone down with his rich voice and persuasive manner.

Nexela manages to calm everyone down with his rich voice and persuasive manner.

Nexela says, 'NO WAY'

Basara says, 'alright, I guess it's time we can let the imm's respond?'

Basara shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'they won't'

Craven says, 'they are afk :P'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Well, I think a lot of it comes down to coding priorities. We don't have a ton of time at the moment, and there are a lot of things that need doing.'

Craven says, 'fine'

Craven says, 'then why remove it?'

Craven says, 'this has been a serious problem for quite some time ea!'

Nexela says, 'I say make all one handed weapons 2 handed'

Craven says, 'you constantly remove things stating that the "balance" to it is in the works, but it never shows up'

Kheldar shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'if you don't have time to fix it, don't destroy it completely!'

Craven says, 'leave it until you do have time!'

Ea! says, 'that's true... we move very slowly on balance issues, and try to make one change at a time.'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Craven says, '2nd circle create mages are STILL waiting for a fix on balm'

Deth says, 'thats actually a good thing'

Nexela says, 'true one at one time would cause mass panic'

Craven says, 'last I heard your discussing it'

Craven says, 'I don't understand why things like this are changed without the fixes already made'

Kheldar says, 'sometimes its better to yank and wait than leave a broken system... the auction ability comes to mind for one'

Deth says to Craven, 'umm whats the problem with balm?'

Craven says, 'or, having the fixes MADE a priority'

Craven says, 'this character used to be a mage'

Craven says, 'balm destroyed that theory'

Craven says, 'every balmed with 50 mind?'

Deth says, 'I balm with 60 mind atm'

Craven says, '1 handedbows were hardly a broken system'

Craven says, 'I had 30 con'

Nexela balms with low level 101 mind

Craven says, 'this character was a sniper who ate roots'

Nexela throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ea! says, 'Not every spell will be ideal at every level and with every stat. Often we'll downgrade a character type in one area and upgrade them in another.'

Craven says, 'balm is pointless with low mind'

Craven says, 'balm is intended for 3rd circle creates with lots of charmies'

Craven says, '2nd circle either needs to augment or is SOL'

Basara says, 'sorry, but when have the snipers been raised after these downgrades?'

Deth says, 'well not all snipers ate roots or balm :)'

Craven says, 'everything is a downgrade these days'

Craven says, 'it sucks'

Nexela says to Basara, 'Pure dex snipers have it easy'

Hted says, 'heh, if you put it that way, balm sounds like cure light for 2nd, and cure crit for 3rd'

Craven says to Deth, 'there were plenty of fighter/snipers etc. that did'

Hted says, 'what's wrong with that'

Craven says, 'I would have loved to see balm be a third circle spell'

Craven says, 'the balance being... balm SUCKS if your hungry'

Basara says, 'until lv 50, then they need other players to kill things, unless they do those "ultimate eq" lists of maxing out hitroll and stuff.'

Craven says, 'therefore if your starving for roots, balm is pointless'

Craven says, 'and if you want to balm, you have to eat'

Ea! says, 'You can view any change you want as a downgrade: boosting poultices way back when was viewed as a downgrade to surgery.'

Craven says, 'therefore roots are pointless'

Deth says, 'yeah... balm only really works if you are full and not bleeding'

Craven says, 'you couldn't really utilize both'

Ea! says, 'Increasing London surgery was viewed as a downgrade to Liman surgery.'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'look at it this way. This game is an 8 year beta game where we are continuously experimenting with ways to improve gameplay and balance. Not all experiments work, but as its an unpaid position, time commitments also vary'

Basara says, 'I should know, I was told in an earlier session that snipers are made to be weaker than others at lv 50...'

Craven sighs wistfully at the sight of Kheldar.

Craven says to Kheldar, 'I completely understand what this place is and the work involved etc.'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'what I'm saying is this'

Nexela says to Craven, 'they just dont listen'

Nexela ducks to the ground.

Craven says to Kheldar, 'making bows 2handed is obviously going to make a HUGE difference in snipers'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'why remove it before you have a fix for it?'

Craven says to Kheldar, 'that doesn't make any sense'

Ea! says to Nexela, 'Actually, it's more like: I get paid a fair chunk of change for my job, and often it requires me to put in longer hours than I'd like and leaves me very tired, and tired of computers.'

Craven says, 'if you feel 1 handed bows are somehow overpowered, fine'

Nexela nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'Yet because of the fact that it's my livelyhood, it gets priority over balancing snipers.'

Nexela says to Ea!, 'Im just messing with ya guys'

Craven says, 'then remove them and replace them with 2 handed bows that are now +8 stats'

Kheldar says to Craven, 'if someone is using a feature to cheat, you pull the feature. Sometimes the fixes require major overhauls like skilltrees to correct and therefore take a long time to implement'

Craven says, 'or that do more damage'

Craven says, 'or that take far less rent'

Craven says, '2 handed bows were far from cheating'

Craven says, '1 handed even'

Deth says, 'my 2 handed bow cheets all the time :P'

Nexela throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Kheldar chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'snipers die constantly in pk'

Craven says, 'are hardly overpowered in mobkill'

Basara nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'I can't see 1 handed bows destroying the game'

Kheldar says, 'I guess one alternative is to yank all guns and bows until skill trees are in... then no problem ;p'

Kheldar ducks to the ground.

Craven says, 'if its not a priority to fix'

Basara says, 'snipers at high levels are very underpowered...'

Nexela says, '2handed weapons/items do need to be at least +8net for balance'

Craven says, 'why is it a priority to remove?'

Basara snickers softly.

Ea! says, 'the problem with bows, and guns in general, is that the formulas for the whole thing suck. The whole advantage of them is in having one, not in the specific attributes of the bow itself.'

Basara jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Kheldar!

Craven says, 'bows are hardly an advantage'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'Because of that, there's no easy way to make one handed bows less powerful than two handed bows.'

Kheldar smiles at Basara.

Craven says, 'they do like 15 damage a shot'

Hted tips his hat gallantly.

Craven says, 'and take a round to reload'

Craven says, 'really?'

Craven says, 'I find light daggers quite less powerful then heavy daggers'

Kheldar waves good-bye to Deth.

Nexela nods his agreement with Craven.

Ea! says, 'yeah, but daggers don't use the bow/gun formulas.'

Craven says, 'your right'

Craven says, 'you could make 1 handed bows less accurate'

Craven says, 'do less damage'

Craven says, 'take longer to reload'

Craven says, 'all kinds of things'

Craven says, 'in fact'

Ea! says, 'We could, but accuracy doesn't play much of a roll in things currently...'

Craven says, 'as I remember, 1 handed bows WERE less accurate then 2 handed on the whole'

Craven says to Ea!, 'thats a lie :P'

Basara says, 'and less damage too.'

Craven says, 'with 90 perc I miss with low accuracy bows constantly'

Craven says, 'I guess my question is this ea'

Craven says, 'If its not a priority to fix, why is it a priority to remove?'

Nexela says to Herbert, 'so throw your question out it might get answered'

Nexela ducks to the ground.

Nexela says, 'Craven has sorta stolen the floor'

Craven says, 'I can think of things far more unbalancing then 1 handed bows'

Nexela pokes Craven in the eye with an oaken staff engulfed in sidhe fire! What'd he do THAT for??

Basara nods his agreement with Nexela.

Craven says, '60 spirit augment comes to mind'

Ea! says, 'Because we view balance from a more holistic approach.'

Craven says, 'I haven't seen it yanked'

Craven says, 'or even changed'

Craven says, 'even though 60 spirit augment has obviously been overpowered for years'

Nexela yawns, bored with Craven's conversation.

Nexela panics, and attempts to flee.

Ea! says to Craven, 'It also takes a *lot* longer to fix -- like, a few weeks of coder time, as opposed to about two minutes of builder time.'

Craven says, 'I see strength fighters being out hit by con mages and dex mages and sniper'

Craven says, 'but bash isn't being changed so you can't dodge while sitting'

Kaige says, 'some things like the bows are also a case of putting in fixes in a few items where the builder didn't follow the directions in the building docs also.'

Craven says, 'with all the other problems'

Herbert nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'I fail to see why bows were picked out'

Craven says, 'it boggles my mind'

Ea! says to Craven, 'that no-dodge while sitting thing would just be a cosmetic change -- to make it say something other than "the person dodges it", but would require builders to look at a ton of acts.'

Herbert says to Craven, 'good point about the hitters actually, 50hit 50dam hitters are constantly outhit by the new 30 30 cheese types'

Craven says, 'Sammael with 528 hp fought barbas with like 710 hp last night, sammael has 45+ damroll and 25+ hitroll, but barabas completely outtanked him with 300 hp left!'

Craven says, 'because bash is pointless'

Craven says, 'acts'

Craven says, 'I'm saying that while sitting'

Craven says, 'people dodge/parry CONSTANTLY'

Craven says, 'which makes no sense'

Craven says, 'and nullifies the effectivness of bash'

Craven says, 'as it stands the only real advantage is they can't move for 2 rounds'

Craven says, 'I slash hard on bashes because of dodge/parry/block'

Herbert says, 'which against a con char isnt that big a bonus really, them not moving'

Craven says, 'the only way strength is "good" is with some way to stun, like headbutt'

Craven says, 'THEN strength shines'

Herbert says, 'stick with kicks and TRY for outdamaging em'

Craven says, 'because you can't block/parry/dodge while stunned'

Ea! says, 'Well, to sum up my comments on balance: any code change-based balance issues are on the back burner at the moment while we work on other projects. they take more coder time than any of us have at the moment.'

Craven says, 'what projects?'

Craven says, 'Fixing capitalization?'

Craven throws his hands up into the air.

Craven says, 'I give...'

Herbert chuckles quietly to himself at something he found particularly humorous.

Herbert says, 'Cravens fun..'

Nexela nods his agreement with Herbert.

Kheldar says, 'the silence is almost eery'

Contagious Cough & PK?

Herbert says, 'ok contagious cough should get a PK check added to it'

Herbert says, 'it can be exploited to make a hidden PKer vis even if not enabled'

Ea! says, 'hm.'

Ea! says, 'Hadn't realized that. I think we'd rather find some way to fix the hidden pk vis issue than make an rp spell useless.'

Herbert says, 'oh just make a PKer yer not accepting immune to it or something.. i dunno'

Herbert says, 'hehehe'

Herbert says, 'just something I noticed when I did it in an inn'

Herbert says, 'and the last thing I want is PK interference warnings'

Prance Typo Fixed?

Herbert says, 'and IS prance getting its typo fix this week?'

Herbert grins evilly.

Kaige says, 'yes'

Basara prances about happily.

Herbert says, 'YAY!'

Herbert hugs Kaige.

Interest on Bank Accounts?

Nexela says, 'so when are bank accounts gonna earn interest'

Herbert says, 'good lord hopefully never..'

Basara snickers softly.

Ea! says to Nexela, 'No market demand for it since all the banks are in collusion together.'

Nexela throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Herbert says, 'create mages would get even richer, and id still be broke'

Basara says, 'yeah, some of those people out there with 20 digit bank accounts...'

Basara says, 'eesh'

Nexela looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kheldar says to Nexela, 'probably about the time you start getting additional fees for maintence, and fees for accessing the balance, and of course a deposit fee, and don't forget about the fee to transfer from where you deposited to where you withdre'

Basara laughs at Kheldar.

Kaige giggles at Kheldar.

Basara says, 'good idea'

Nexela says to Kheldar, 'Why I get those from my bank now'

Kheldar grins evilly at Nexela.. wonder what he's thinking...

Kaige says to Kheldar, 'and a fee for talking to a real live person instead of a machine'

Nexela says, 'cost me 3 dollars to see a teller'

Nexela looks up into the sky and ponders.

Nexela says, '50 cents per check under 50 a month 1 dollar each over that'

Nexela says, 'Atm fees up the wazoooo'

Pittsburgh Comments

Nexela says, 'whos area is Pitts Im to tired to look it up'

Basara says, 'sandra'

Nexela says, 'Cause I got a good quest Idea for her'

Herbert says, 'the scoop story quest could use a LOT of tidying..'

Herbert says, 'i saw Joey rob the freakin recoveries office a few weeks ago'

Herbert stifles a laugh as he regards the situation at hand.

Herbert says, 'well once again, thanks for the stuff you guys are doing and see ya next time I notice something bigger than a bug report'

Herbert beams delightedly.

Herbert says, 'and I look forward to being able to not prance!'

Klein Balance/Update

Herbert says, 'are klein guards SUPPOSED to be weaken bait?'

Herbert says, 'well kleiners in general even..'

Nexela weakens herbert.

Kaige says to Herbert, 'well, I don't think so, intentionally, but we'll have to see what's in the works with the klein update LA's working on'

Herbert nods his agreement with Kaige.

Herbert says, 'k! running away again!'

Herbert grins evilly.

New Areas?

Nexela says, 'AREAS!!! When Where!'

Nexela says, 'and What'

Kaige says to Nexela, 'off the top of my head, I'm not sure what'll be next'

Nexela says, 'ok'

Nexela waves happily.

Entrance With Just Sing?

Basara says, 'question: how is the singing implementing with the entrancing skill going?'

Kaige says, 'I still say it's hard to get a tune you can dance to with a capella. But also think it would be a bit powerful if you didn't need an instrument for it.'

Basara nods solemnly.

Basara says, 'agreed... but, it won't be that powerful, right?'

Basara says, 'I mean, it's just entrancing w/o the weight and rent of one piece of eq... which can be as high as 6k, or as low as 10 rent.'

Kaige says, 'well, why would anyone learn play at all, except for show?'

Basara says, 'or 1, if I remember.'

Basara says, 'well, play is still a pre-req for these skills...'

Basara says, 'at least it can be made that way, learn play, and then praise/satirize, etc.'

Kaige says, 'yeah, but why have a skill that you never use for anything again'

Basara says, 'I use it'

Basara begins to play random doodlings on a simple lyre with silvery strings; you are totally captivated. The music fascinates you, and Basara's skill at his instrument is astonishing. You feel transported, and when the music ends, it is almost painful to hear the silence.

Nexela says, 'I learned sing! :P'

Basara says, 'and I've already idea'd another reason to use play more often'

Basara says, 'and I have sing also.'

Kaige smiles happily.

Basara says, 'umm... also... when did satire have to involve pkok?'

Kaige says, 'that's probably related to back when it was tied to your rent limit'

Basara says, 'I mean, it's not as if it's that vital now, can we put it back so that it actually has even a little tiny effect?'

Basara says, 'I mean, my rp's to irritate some people some times, but people just laugh at me when I satirize...'

Basara shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says, 'because some day prestige'll mean something again.'

Basara says, 'just seems like, it's the question redirected back, why get a skill that's not even useful?'

Basara smirks at Ea!.

Kaige nods her agreement with Basara.

Basara says to Ea!, 'some day... soon? some day.... some where in the future sometime? or, some day someday?'

Basara smirks.

Ea! says, 'Somewhere in the future.'

Basara nods solemnly.

Basara says, 'well, my original question still pertained to sing and entrance.'

Basara says, 'people who wants to carring instruments, whether it be herne horn, or this'

Basara pokes a simple lyre with silvery strings.

Basara says, 'would still carry it.'

Basara says, 'people who don't carry instruments at all, doesn't make a difference with that one little advantage being able to entrance w/o an instrument, right?'

Ea! says, 'I dunno, I think I have a couple of characters who carry other instruments so that they can entrance.'

Basara nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'And I think that's a good thing. It encourages the arts.'

Ea! says, ''cause they'd never have instruments if they didn't have to.'

Basara says, 'yeah, but with the requirement for singing, it's kind of costly to already get to not carrying around instruments, don't you think?'

Ea! says, 'hm?'

Basara says, 'just seems that sing is so incomplete, and useless unless you're out to get lullabye...'

Basara says, 'and it appears that I'm the only one online that can get it...'

Basara laughs with amusement.

Ea! says, 'Well, lullabye is a good skill. Underrated if you ask me.'

Basara says, 'I'll let you know how underrated when I get it after this Q&A. ;)'

Ea! says, 'But, that said, over time we may add more things that sing helps with, but we don't want it to be at play's expense.'

Basara says, 'well, I guess I understand, but play's also already not being used much either'

Ea! says, 'well, that comes back to praise/satire not being as useful as they used to.'

Basara says, 'so how does that cost the popularity of play when it's nothing to start with?'

Basara nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Well, it isn't nothing.'

Basara says, 'no, but I'd hate to say it, but it seems to be almost nothing, unless I'm trying to manipulate a special effect out of certain instruments'

Basara says, 'I don't know, what do you think though? can you bounce some ideas or examples back to me?'

Ea! says, 'Well, I think that at some point, we want to make the less popular skills more useful over all, particularly the more advanced ones. But it's a large project.'

Basara nods solemnly.

More on Priorities & Balance

Basara says, 'understandable, and since this can't have high priority due to perfectly good real-life reasons, can the priorities of things be switched around a bit, to fix up what's currently going on?'

Ea! says, 'Which is?'

Basara says, 'like some of the things I've heard earlier tonight?'

Basara doesn't think he'll need to be that specific.

Ea! says, 'Ah.'

Ea! says, 'Well, the last few weeks of my coding time were spent coding stuff that ended up being a lot more contentious than I expected. Many of them are waiting for some other ideas to be dreamed up to augment them so that they can go in.'

Ea! says, 'But they were good ideas...'

Basara nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'At least, I thought so.'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kheldar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says, 'sadly, no matter what priority is chosen, be it coding, building, whatever, it will always strike someone as effort being put forth in the wrong place'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Basara nods solemnly.

Basara comforts Kaige.

Basara says, 'of course, you can't satisfy everyone...'

Ea! says, 'Anyway, at some point, I'd like to spend a little less time putting out the proverbial fires and put more time into poisons...'

Basara snickers softly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'For which I've got an e-mail from Kaige dated October of 2000 in my inbox waiting for me to have a chance to look at.'

Ea! sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

Basara says, 'but time is always not enough, huh?'

Basara comforts Ea!.

Kaige is also finding tyoping with a 40lb monster in her lap difficulart at best

Ea! says to Basara, 'We're all pretty much swamped at the moment with RL.'

Basara nods solemnly.

Basara says, 'Of course, I understand that.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Basara.

Basara says, 'I'm not placing any blames, or wanting things rushed...'

Ea! says, 'I'd really like to leave work after an 11 hour day without feeling like I'm skipping out with tons of stuff undone.'

Ea! sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

Kaige gets frustrated after putting in 12 hour days here and being told nothing gets done

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Basara says, 'I'm just wondering, where some valid points have been brought up, such as if something is going to be taken away and then replaced with something else, we can wait longer until when it is all done, and just switched in one big update'

Basara says, 'eesh'

Kaige says, 'not that I can do that with the way things have gone this week.'

Basara says, 'understandable, too...'

Kheldar nods solemnly.

Basara nods solemnly.

Basara nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says, 'I think that it isn't so simple as one thing being taken away like that...'

Kheldar says, 'I think people just tend not to understand the general time it takes to put something this size together with the level of detail it has'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Basara says, 'of course, I know it's a lot of time, and I can't imagine how you guys can set all this up...'

Ea! says, 'Also, we get burnt with balance changes really badly if we do more than one thing at a time. It's hard to know just which change is causing what.'

Ea! says, 'so we end up with better results if we do one thing at a time.'

Kheldar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Kheldar says to Ea!, 'we've learned that the hard way'

Basara says, 'but my feeling is that this has gone beyond a mmorpg and into a community, and the community wants to hear from the leaders even more.'

Kaige says, 'or as simple to say if we pull this one seeminglky tiny blocxk here... what if anything is needed to prop it back up'

Basara nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Basara, 'hardly mm '

Kaige giggles.

Basara says, 'well, I've been away for a few years before this past april, so I don't think I can understand what's happened when you guys tried to do a big update'

Basara says, 'though I'm guessing it cramped a lot of people's style...'

Basara says to Kaige, 'well, still better than playing Diablo w/ just a few players... ;)'

Kaige nods her agreement with Basara.

Kheldar says, 'alas I need to go. Have a good night all'

Kheldar waves happily.

Basara says, 'but that's what I'm saying, I think people who play here so much could be kept less in the dark now'

Basara waves good-bye to Kheldar.

Basara says, 'alright, I guess this Q&A is long enough, and I don't think I'd have anything new to say that you haven't heard before...'

Ea! says, 'I need to flee from computers, too. I'm approaching 13 hours in front of one straight...'

Basara nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Basara, 'as far as keeping people in the dark, I know it's not done intentionally'

Basara says, 'well, I don't know what to say.... I mean, a final point is that there's maybe ways people can have fun here, but when I felt that a character that I truly had passion about had to be put down because I didn't feel that it was fun anymore, kinda feels wierd.'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Okay, time for me to go...'

Ea! waves happily.

Ea! slowly fades into thin air.

Ea! gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Basara says, 'night'

Kaige says, 'I can understand that feeling.'

Basara says, 'and on that note, I'm going to leave so that you can too.'

Basara says, 'thanks'

Kaige smiles happily.

Kaige thanks Basara heartily.

Basara tips his hat to Kaige.

Kaige smiles happily.

Basara waves good-bye to Kaige.

Kaige says, 'have a good evening'

Kaige waves happily.

Additional Topics Answered

Also, as you'll find below, some of the builders will have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

Commonly Reported as Bugs but Aren't

o Create object leather whips ought to be made of, well, leather.

WEAPONS don't have MATERIAL TYPES, ONLY ARMOR and the code change to allow ALL item types to have a material type is still way over the horizon.

o The split command doesn't if you have rejectgives on or give you any share if someone else has it on.

That is correct. HELP SPLIT has been updated to reflect that this will happen.

o Why I can type 'hy' then something else and it ignores the 'hy' (i.e. hy ord skeleton jump...Skeleton jumps)??

This is because of how moods work with the parser. The first word of a command is checked against the moods list. If it's found, it then checks the second word against the socials and then the regular commands. If the command doesn't support moods, it's ignored.

o Query juggle -- no such skill?

Query juggling -- the skill name has to be typed exactly as you see it in ALLSKILLS.

o I tried it to get neutral align using the Slaver Quest but it wouldn't work. Don't know if its messed up or what?

This quest is working as intended, people are misconceived of how it works. LegendDB's take on it seems to be based only on one character's experience with the quest. Remember, it's always better to trust your own experiences with quests, rather than someone else's walkthrough which may be outdated or not appropriate for your circumstances.

o Can this aggressive mob be set to NOT be agg to someone with LESS than 30 hps or so? It's terrible to die to him while retrieving your corpse.

The best solution to this, since corpses save over crashes these days, is to wait and heal up either by sleeping or through skill/spell means, whether it be your own or someone else's and then going to retrieve your corpse.

Spell Info

o ALLSPELLS and SPELLBOOK should have give the total spells so you know if you haven't casted a spell yet.

Knowing your spellbook and your characters abilities is considered part of the fun and skill of playing a successful mage character.

Suggestions

o I would like to see the boxes be places in one generic room, so if I wanted to donate something, It would not be inn specific, it would be just room specific. All the boxes in all the inns could have access to this one room, so that if you look in box, you see all the items that are in that room, not just in the box in the particular inn.

This is one of the reasons that the trade from anywhere auction was removed. Learning your way around to different inns so you can check out what people have decided to donate is a great asset that would be discouraged by something like that.

o One of the clan commands as a member should give the information about where your clan hall is located, because often people don't know unless they are specifically told.

And what's wrong with talking about stuff like this with your fellow clan members? Maybe you need a new GM or clan?

o An 'update' command, which lists the newest updates.

HELP UPDATES lists all the major ones. More detailed lists are available for a time on the welcome board and in the Legendary Times which are archived on the website ( http://www.legendmud.org/Community/times.html)

o An 'updateweb' command, that tells you when the various web sites were last updated, eg Straussy's photo page.

Bah... there used to be an option on the search results page where you could get email notification when a specific page changed. It looks like it's no longer part of FreeFind's basic package. That's a bummer.

However. If you use Internet Explorer, you can probably set up a subscription to the page you want to monitor by selecting Subscribe and setting up the options for how frequently you want it checked for changes.

*** Any other browsers out there with features like this? ****

o Can we have a few more lines for the feedback channels? I always seem to run out of space.

Unfortunately, they're as long as the mud is set up to handle normal text lines. There are a few things that handle longer strings, but having the basic text length longer would require more memory overhead, encourage wasting bandwidth as well as shift everything in memory potentially disrupting any progress in stability we've regained.

And honestly, Kaige really can read across lines. She's gotten a LOT of practice over the years. She can even manage to read some comments across files when someone starts a report in bug and finishes it up in idea.

The idea is to be as detailed as you can be, but if you find it's getting TOO long and involved, consider the discussion board or send mudmail/email to the appropriate immort.

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