October 11th, 2001

Socials & Gagchannel

Taffy says, 'is the gagging socials an option, or just automatic?'

Ea! says, 'automatic.'

Taffy looks up into the sky and ponders.

Greek Oil/Dip Buggy?

Sandman says, 'is the greek oil buggy or is that how you guys want it now?'

LadyAce says, 'it's been reported as a comment, I haven't heard back one way or the other since we talked about it'

Sandman nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'This is in regards to being able to use it over and over?'

Sandman says, 'i would like to see it last a few times.. but over and over is wrong'

Sandman nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'It's a generic problem with dip, and I believe we're working on that one.'

Sandman nods solemnly.

LadyAce smiles at Ea!.

100 Mind Balm Changing?

Skar says, 'will I see a change in the power of 100-mind healing balm?'

Ea! says, '100 mind will stay the same, but pretty much everything between 60 and 100 changes.'

Skar nods happily.

Mail Editor Change

Skar says to Ea!, 'congrats on the editor change, btw.'

Skar jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Ea!!

Ea! giggles.

Ea! says, 'We'll see how it works out. It took a while to do since I needed to make sure that certain commands wouldn't work while you're writing...'

Ea! says, ''cause who knows what would happen if you rented while writing.'

Skar laughs with amusement.

Kaige suspects very bad things

Sandman snickers softly.

Taffy says, 'huge paradox, we all get sucked into the void, ragnarok and all that'

Hrath giggles.

LadyAce giggles.

Sandman snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'dogs and cats, living together'

Hrath cringes in terror.

Skar shudders.

Taffy laughs with amusement.

Taffy says, 'men asking for directions'

LadyAce giggles at Taffy.

Kensai chuckles politely.

Skar says, 'nah. never happen.'

Sandman says, 'nope never'

LadyAce says, 'so, no one else has questions? Comments? Etc.?'

Skar says, 'we're all pretty happy, looks like. Treasure this moment.'

Valya looks up into the sky and ponders.

Missing Stats?

Kensai says, 'i was wondering once i took off my gold bracelet and when i put it back on my hp droped 1 point...even after stats changed'

Kensai says, 'just thought that was odd'

Taffy nods her agreement with Kensai.

Kaige says to Kensai, 'did it go back after you rented?'

Kensai shakes his head.

Kensai says, 'but 1 hp dont really make a difference right now'

Kensai says, 'ill get over it'

Taffy says to Kensai, 'had you been changing eq before that? Sometimes there is a lag on hp when con changes.'

LadyAce says to Kensai, 'I think that sounds like your hp weren't what you thought'

Kensai says, 'it was i checked what it was before i took it off'

Kensai says, 'im not upset with it or anything. just thought it was odd'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Kensai.

Kaige says, 'best thing to do when someone like that happens is get a log from your backscroll and talk to someone like Ea about it.'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kensai nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says, 'hard to track without a log.'

Oil/Ammo for Tourney?

LadyAce says to Sandman, 'what's your question?'

Sandman says, 'does oil count as ammo? =p for the pk tourney'

LadyAce says, 'no'

Sandman giggles.

Sandman says to LadyAce, 'had to try ;)'

LadyAce says, 'ammo acts weirdly if you don't have all the areas loaded'

Kensai nods solemnly.

Helpfile Improvements

Kaige says, 'you guys getting less "No help found on """ messages lately?'

Skar says, 'not me.'

Taffy says, 'I'm getting a lot of 'you don't have access to that helpfile' messages'

Kaige says to Taffy, 'on what kinds of things?'

Taffy says to Kaige, 'like 'help purge' I idea'd that there should be a mort helpfile for that already I think'

Kaige nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'for skills and spells, that's expected'

LadyAce says, 'we don't have a way to have those co-exist'

LadyAce says, 'either there's an imm file or a mort file, and having both is trouble'

Kensai nods solemnly.

Taffy nods solemnly.

Kensai tips his hat gallantly.

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'Er... there shouldn't be any problem with that...'

Kaige says, 'actually I think we got most of the kinks worked out of that.. just have to teach imms to access the right one'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'doesn't fail over automatically tho'

Ea! says, 'I thought I fixed that.'

LadyAce says, 'well, I can play with it s'more :) I wasn't sure we were done with that fix'

Kaige says, 'we've got a couple now that exist in both places and seem to work fine'

LadyAce says, 'historically it was impossible, and that's why we don't have it now, that's for sure :)'

Kaige says, 'stringrules for example.'

Too Easy in Crusades?

Valya says to LadyAce, 'this would probably be specific to you'

Valya says to LadyAce, 'have you considered upping the difficulty on your crusades low-level soldiers, or lowering the xp?'

Devlin goes EEK! in distress.

Valya says to LadyAce, 'they're really -really- easy, and pay -alot- of xp'

LadyAce says, 'I haven't reconsidered it, no...as far as I know, they're made by the building spec'

Valya says, 'okay'

Devlin says, 'they aint that easy when you are a lowbie mage and have no skills at all and low spell success'

Valya shrugs helplessly.

Valya says, 'they're still easier than other mobs that pay their xp'

LadyAce says, 'a few of them might need better weapons I spose'

LadyAce says, 'but as far as I know, they're in spec.'

Sandman sighs loudly.

Valya says to LadyAce, 'well, seeing as I as level 16 can make about 80K xp on 80 hp...'

Taffy looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'well, if you don't like it, you don't need to xp there :) otherwise, I'd say kudos for your strategy.'

Taffy says, 'crusades eh...'

Valya just thought she'd mention it.

Devlin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

When's Next Austin LegendMEET?

Gloria says, 'ooh, 2 questions actually, nobody probably has a clue, but when would the next austin legendmeet roll around? (i know how to get to austin now!), LadyAce says, 'meets happen when people run them, so it's not really fair to say it's scheduled'

Gloria nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Next Imm Proposal Round?

Gloria says, 'and when are the next batch of area proposals gonna roll around?'

LadyAce says, 'next proposals will be March'

Gloria lost his original Guadalcanal proposal, but has a newer, better idea.

Gloria says, 'march? damn, that's a long time =P'

Gloria says, 'okay, i'm done'

Gloria waves happily.

Create Healing/Augment/Pkill Discussion

MacMurphy says, 'okay, im sure you allready beat this to death, but just curious if A) there is going to be a major change to balm or just a minor one and B) will there be some new spell or change that will allow create mages to particpate more in pkill'

Kyla shivers uncomfortably.

LadyAce says, 'the change is to non 100-mind'

LadyAce says, 'as far as I know, we don't have any other changes planned'

LadyAce says, 'that's not to say we won't make changes'

LadyAce says, 'just that we don't have anything in active discussion right now'

MacMurphy says, 'ok, so the balm will still work pretty much as is, just you dont have to have a high mind fora bonus?'

Ea! nods his agreement with MacMurphy.

LadyAce says, 'your suggestions are welcome -- there are a few threads on discussion where they might go'

Ea! says, 'I'm not really considering other changes to balm until after I've seen how it works with these in place.'

MacMurphy says, 'well, I would like to see a 3c healing spell for create mages, something like cure crit'

MacMurphy says, 'without testing balm out since its changes, I have to say that it makes the expendure of investment into a create mage not very worthwhile for pkill'

Ryan says to MacMurphy, 'Yea, but we still rule for mobkill :P'

MacMurphy says, 'I am not sure if pkill is a concern by immortals since we are a dying breed'

LadyAce says, 'pk is a feature we want to preserve going forward with the game'

LadyAce says, 'we don't consider it to be the primary focus, or the only consideration in making a change to a given spell'

Sammael looks up into the sky and ponders.

MacMurphy says, 'so do you see a problem now with balm compared to how root was used prior in pkill with create mages and the loss of immediate healing that made create mages usable in pkill?'

LadyAce says, 'if you rely heavily on one skill or spell to make your char work, you will need to find something else to supplement it -- our tweaking is absolutely inevitable'

Sammael frowns at LadyAce.

Sammael says to LadyAce, 'I think all non magical classes rely on one or 2 skills...'

Ea! says to MacMurphy, 'It's hard to tell until the latest changes go in.'

Sammael says, 'not many to choose from'

LadyAce says, 'it seems sort of an obvious and necessary strategy...adapt a little temporarily, or fall back on something'

MacMurphy says, 'yes I agree that change is something that happens and we all have to deal with it, I just cant forsee the effectiveness of balm compared to the immediate health regain of root during a pkill fight'

Sammael shrugs in response to MacMurphy's words.

Ea! says, 'I also think it'll take a while for mages to retool their strategies to deal with the balm and the new elementals.'

Sammael says to MacMurphy, 'give it up man :)'

Sammael says, 'pk for create is pretty....dead'

Sammael says, 'especially 2nd circle'

Sammael says, '3rd circle CAN win, its just not very likely'

Sammael says, 'especially against max wimpy'

Sammael wrinkles his nose with distaste.

Sammael says to Ea!, 'I wouldn't use elementals in pk'

Sammael says to Ea!, 'they cost too much mana considering they are so easy put down'

MacMurphy says, 'soon I believe it will be augmentors fighting augmentors, unless the rumor of changes to augment take effect and neutralize that'

Sammael says, 'we can only hope!'

Sammael says, 'but unlikely'

Sandman says, 'augmentors'

Sandman rolls his eyes heavenward.

Sammael says, 'augmenting has been overpowered for years, I don't think its gonna change'

MacMurphy says, 'see, I Have as alts killed druids before without problem, I dont see a real problem with druids in pkill'

Sandman says, 'i think it got worse tho with 60 spirit augments doing better than before'

MacMurphy says, 'I also never saw a problem with root'

MacMurphy shrugs helplessly.

MacMurphy says, 'er create healing'

Sandman says, 'honestly i think balm should be a 2nd circle spell like it is and create roots a 3rd circle spell'

Sandman shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says, 'I'm not opposed to giving create some way to heal hp immediately, I just want to see how all this works out first.'

Sammael says, 'are there any plans on helping the 2nd circle creates who have been damn near destroyed by this change?'

Ea! says, 'We're not putting roots back -- we might do something else, but it won't require you to starve yourself.'

Sammael says, 'would be good balance ea'

Sammael says, 'if you starve to eat roots, balm is less effective...'

Sammael says, 'but :)'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Sandman says, 'ayup'

MacMurphy says, 'ahh, then I will leave that in the air, with the hope that in the near future, something allowing create mages to get back in the thick of pkill in a more meaning full manor would be appreciated'

Ea! says, 'I just upped balm a fair amount, so I'm hestitant to change anything until I see how it goes.'

Sammael says, 'I'm not advocating it'

LadyAce says, 'well, part of the problem with that is that we just plain don't want you starving :P'

Sammael says, 'I hope you fixed the mind thing'

Dashiva says, 'more like the 50 mind thing =P'

Sandman says, 'because if a create healing was not used for starving balm + that would be a bit much'

LadyAce says to MacMurphy, 'well, see what Ea said above, and what I said above...'

Sammael says, 'well I guess I have a question then'

Sammael says, 'if you upped balm...'

Sammael says, 'I'm sure you didn't up it much for low mind'

Sammael says, 'so what are half mages to do?'

Sammael says, 'give up their chanting abilities?'

Dashiva says, 'archive'

LadyAce says to MacMurphy, 'we've said many a time that we're open to changes, we just don't have a sense of what we're going to do.'

Ea! says, '100 mind stays the same -- it's just everything below that that went up.'

Sammael says, 'I'm going to be honest with you'

Sammael says, 'craven _CANNOT_ be effective with balm'

Sammael says, 'and to be honest, I can't see many 2nd circles that could be'

Ea! says, 'Actually, I believe the low point stays the same as well.'

Sammael says, 'the only 2nd circle balms help is, unfortunately, augmenters'

Sammael says, 'who now get even more hp'

Sandman nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'though not much more...unless they have high mind'

MacMurphy says, 'yes, as my last statement said, I am happy with the fact that you understand the dilemma at hand but would like to see how balm works out first'

LadyAce says, 'well, we've covered where we stand on that'

Sammael says, 'I would like to see a change -- you can't augment while balmed...'

Sammael grumbles.

Dashiva says, 'what was your standing?'

Sammael says, 'I must not have been here'

Dashiva missed it

MacMurphy says, 'yeah, I got here a little while ago, tis why i asked :)'

Sandman says, 'they gunna see how balm looks then maybe change more for create to have another healing source'

Sandman says, 'if i understood them right...'

LadyAce says, 'Ea just now said that he's not opposed to adding some kind of instant heal, but not until we have balm in a while'

Sandman says, 'aah good i got something right for once! hehe'

Sammael says, 'I was talking about the augmenter thing'

Sammael says, 'you don't think its overpowered they can augment AND be balmed at the same time?'

LadyAce says, 'and I'm adding to that that you should suggest things on discussion if you have ideas for how to change it'

Dashiva says, 'epidermal application shouldnt be possible under influence of balm =P'

Sammael nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'hehe, that kinda makes sense'

Sandman giggles at Dashiva.

Sammael says, 'i mean, if you don't think its a big deal, fine'

Sammael says, 'I'll go make one and prove you wrong :P'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'Did you idea that?'

Sammael says, 'my 100 dex 60 spirit high mind augmenter will be undefeated, I can guarentee it :P'

Sandman says to Sammael, 'you mean like dim? =p'

Ea! says, 'I want to think about it some, and that'll ensure that I won't forget.'

Dashiva says, 'dim, manitu'

Dashiva says, 'etc'

Sandman nods solemnly.

Sammael says, 'I hate augmenters...'

Dashiva says, 'doctorevil'

Sammael says, 'I am so out of pk these days'

Dashiva says, 'the list goes on'

Sammael says, 'too many classes are blatently overclassed'

Sandman says, 'my bro archived him once he say augment was waaay to nice'

Sammael says, 'and then all the little poor create mages got toasted'

Sandman says, 'saw even'

Ea! says, 'Of course, augmentors had roots before...'

Sammael says, 'but ea'

Sammael says, 'this is 25 mana for 100-200 hp'

Sammael says, 'PLUS augment'

MacMurphy nods his agreement with Ea!.

Hrath says, 'they had augments before too....'

Ea! says, 'Ah, so we should up the mana req?'

Dashiva says, 'with that kind of lowrent gear all you really need is a perm fly item'

Sammael says, 'roots before were 6-50 hp for 25 mana'

Sammael says, 'whereas augment was 35 mana for 50-70'

MacMurphy says, 'augmenter create can make augments, perserve them and go fight, use the augment whenever'

Sammael says, 'obviously they are going to choose augment'

Dashiva says, 'roots was alot easier to make was all, didnt take supplies'

Sammael says, 'roots were no match to poultices, not that they should be'

Sammael says, 'I used to use roots when I had like 50 hp to heal and didn't wanna waste herbs..'

Sammael says, 'that was it'

Ea! says, 'So, you're saying things would be better if we made healing balm cost more?'

Sammael says, 'no...'

Sammael says, 'I personally think balm shouldn't be 2nd circle :P'

Sammael says, 'but thats a different issue'

Sammael says, 'I am saying this'

Sammael says, 'balm is worthless for low mind, first of all'

Ea! says, 'That's changed.'

Sammael says, 'you said it was the same low and high mind'

Sammael says, 'regardless'

Sammael says, 'augmenters usually have 50-80 mind'

Sammael says, 'therefore, they will have an 80 mind balm going'

Dashiva says, '90+ on mine'

Sammael says, 'WHILE augmenting'

Dashiva says, 'er'

Dashiva says, 'didnt say that'

Sammael says, 'WHILE using a chalice'

Ea! says, 'No -- I said that the lowest point stays the same, and that the highest point stays the same, everything in between changes.'

Sammael says, 'they would basicly be unstopable'

Sammael says, 'ea, 50 mind is the low point :LP'

Sammael says, 'thus low mind is worthless'

Dashiva mourns his own inadequacies - you feel sorry for him.

Sammael says, 'craven heals like 10 hp a tick with balm on'

Ea! says, 'right. 50 mind and 100 mind stay the same. 51-99 change.'

Sammael says, 'I heal faster sleeping'

Hrath says, 'try sleeping -with- balm?'

Sammael says, 'I did'

Sammael says, 'it didn't matter before'

Sammael says, 'maybe you fixed it?'

Hrath points at the welcome board.

Dashiva says, 'what about in pk? was that even regarded?'

Sandman says, 'exactly.. which makes 2nd circle mages completely not worth it is what he is saying'

Sammael says, 'the welcome board doesn't say anything about balm and sleeping that I saw'

Sammael says, 'well das'

Dashiva says, 'hold on fellas, I gotta sleep so my balm works =P'

Sammael says, 'they just changed the formula'

Sammael says, 'so they want to see how it works first'

Sandman says, 'most 2nd circle mages arent high mind.. but if they are druids they usually have higher mind'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Sammael says, 'but I can guarentee if 50 mind wasn't change, every half create mage is screwed'

Sammael says, 'which is a shame, I have 3500 hours on craven :P'

Dashiva says, 'I've accepted that fact'

Sammael says, 'let me rephrase'

Sammael says, 'every half create without augment is screwed :)'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Sandman nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'but seriously'

Dashiva says, 'welcome to the augment age'

Sammael says, 'I'm not trying to whine or cry, cuz honestly I'm over it'

Sammael says, 'life goes on and I know how you guys are about changing things back or whatever'

Sammael says, 'but I cannot ever see craven or any other 2nd circle create without augment ever being competitive again'

Sammael says, 'unless they go high mind 2nd circle'

LadyAce says, 'don't be so absolute :P'

Sammael says, 'which defeats the purpose in my opinion'

Sammael says, 'unless you add some faster healing thing, which you said was a possibility'

LadyAce says, 'like Ea said, we're open to changing it once the balm stuff takes affect'

LadyAce says, 'it seems pretty likely that we will, just not right this minute'

Sammael says, 'personally I think balm is nice, would be great as a third circle spell so creates could heal their charmies and have a nifty heal'

Sammael says, 'just don't think its very effective 2nd circle'

Sammael says, 'especially since augmenters can use it'

Sammael says, 'augmenters can win 90% of the time without balm'

Sammael says, 'the only way to kill an augmenter who knows what they are doing is to para them or somehow incapacitate them, bash maybe, while they are really low'

Hrath says, 'I don't personally see why augmentors get so much of a gain because of balm.'

Sammael says, 'thus the 10% :)'

Sammael says, 'you don't?'

MacMurphy says, 'ok, here is a point then, if a change takes effect where a more immediate healing power is given to create mages without augment, and it is available to 2c mages, wont that defeat the purpose of changing root to balm?'

Dashiva says, 'heh'

Sammael says, 'okay, picture this hrath'

Sammael says, 'your fighting me'

Sammael says, 'I have 100 dex, 80 mind, 60 spirit'

Sammael says, 'which is EASILY possible'

Ea! says, 'Okay, so, say we were to make it so you couldn't apply poultices to people who were balmed. Would that solve the problem?'

Sammael says, '80 mind is 600 mana'

Sammael reports: 485/503 hp 606/606 mana 516/516 mv.

Sammael says, 'I have 77 and leggings'

Sammael says, 'that is what, 17 poultices?'

Sammael says, 'PLUS my balm'

Sammael says, 'PLUS my chalice mana'

Dashiva says, 'that's alot of heal'

Sammael says, 'you don't think thats helpful?'

Hrath says, 'so, when all comes to all, it's augment, and not balm you think is the problem?'

Sammael says, 'especially considering how long some augmenter fights last'

Ea! says to MacMurphy, 'the purpose of changing roots was to get rid of the "starve yourself to heal" thing.'

Sammael says, 'duh'

Sandman says, 'balm heals you while you run around augmenting.. its not a hard concept to grab that its insane'

Sammael says, 'augment IS overpowered'

Sammael says, 'eveyrone knows that'

MacMurphy nods his agreement with Ea!.

Sammael says, 'but combined they are that much more insane'

MacMurphy says, 'something that I like a great deal, thank you'

Sandman nods his agreement with Sammael.

Ea! says, 'Er, did anyone answer my question? I missed it if they did.'

Sammael says, 'another MAJOR problem with balm in pk, dunno if this was covered'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

Sammael says, 'is that if they poison you or you bleed, which is 90% of the time, you aren't healing'

Sandman says to Ea!, 'sammy more so would like to see balm a 3rd circle spell if possible'

Hrath says to Sammael, 'still, I probably wouldn't use balm all that agressivly, since I'd rather use my mana on an augment than something that will be useless if I start bleeding, become poisoned, or such'

Sammael says, 'so its that much more ineffective in pk'

Sammael says, 'hrath'

Sammael says, 'ITS 25 MANA'

MacMurphy says, 'I just think that the idea of slow gain from balm, *granted that I have yet to see the new effects of balm* was not the answer imho, it takes away from a great deal of pkers and others who wanted a sligt change and not a drastic chang'

Sammael says, 'thats one chalice'

Sammael says, 'you could cast it before the fight and meditate it up in 10 seconds'

Sammael says, 'and it would last the duration of the fight'

Sandman says, 'uh creates also get cure poison mind you'

Sandman coughs loudly.

Sammael says, 'hehe'

Sammael says, 'ever fought someone with a katar?'

Sammael says, 'try staying unpoisoned'

LadyAce says, 'does anyone else have a question?'

Dashiva snickers softly.

Sandman says, 'its easy if your create!'

Ea! says, 'I'd like to see someone answer my question...'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Sandman's head.

Sammael says, 'no, its not'

Sammael says, 'not to mention'

Sammael says, 'you don't heal while poisoned'

Dashiva says, 'it would be helpful Ea'

Sammael says, 'at alllll'

Sammael says, 'which question'

Dashiva says, 'augment still heals to much for it's costs'

Sammael says, 'augment needs to be 80 min req spirit'

Sammael says, 'and thats just the beginning :P'

Ea! says, 'If I were to make it so that you can't apply a poultice to those who are affected by balm, would that solve the problem?'

Sandman shakes his head.

Sammael says, 'snipers need 80 perc, fighters need 80 fight stat, healers should need 80 too'

Dashiva says, 'again, your getting opinions that are mostly pk biased,'

Sammael says, 'it would solve the augmenter/balm problem'

MacMurphy says, 'taking away augment on top of balm would be good, I think'

LadyAce says, 'I do have to worry about the aff on mobkill tho'

Ea! says, 'I don't particularly want to make balm a 3rd circle word since it hurts non-pk mages quite a bit...'

LadyAce says, 'no one will use it in runs'

Sammael says, 'it wouldn't solve the augmenters are overpowered problem or the 2nd circles without it are in major screwed land'

Sammael says, 'but'

LadyAce says, 'if they're a druid anyway, the half-mage create /druid combo is a reasonably common one'

Sammael says, 'again, I don't know what changes you have down the road'

Sammael says, 'I just know as it stands, a lot of people are basicly deserted...'

Ea! says, 'Also, I can see people then using balm as an offensive spell -- balm them up so they can't augment...'

Sammael says, 'as for augment, don't get me wrong'

Ea! says, 'I'm not sure I like that.'

LadyAce says, 'then again, maybe they're getting so much more than they deserve, it doesn't make sense...'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Dashiva says, '25 mana to disable augmenting, I like that =D'

Sammael says, 'I think pure druids work hard and get good rewards for it'

Sammael says, 'ea...'

Sammael says, 'if the fight had started, pk timer won't let you'

Dashiva says, 'ooh'

Sammael says, 'you'd have to initiate with a balm'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'or put a nasty poultice on them so that they can't balm up'

MacMurphy says, 'I cant help but feel that balm has not balanced anything, but has taken away from the balance... I'm told that overall, immoratals strive towards a balanced mud, but not sure that is true'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'Sure it would -- if you accept everyone they do, you can heal them.'

Dashiva says, 'they try, mac'

Sammael says, 'anyway, I just feel the low spirit druids are the dumb ones, they have too many free points to become VERY formidable fighters plus the ability to heal a lot of hp'

Sammael says, 'most people reject at least one person'

Sammael says, 'I'm rejecting spite, shandril, and dim :P'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'Sure. You reject LadyAce, I accept all, I can still heal you.'

Sammael says, 'and accepting all'

Sammael says, 'what?'

Sammael says, 'you have to accept everyone in my list'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'Right, I'm accept all.'

LadyAce says, 'right, but if he accepts all, he's bound to have everyone covered'

Sammael says, 'and I have to accept everyone in yours'

Ea! says, 'I can then balm you and stop you from poulticing.'

Sammael says, 'if I'm not accepting someone you are, how could you heal me?'

Sammael says, 'so come up with a fix, I don't know :P'

LadyAce says, 'you have to match the list of your patient'

Ea! giggles.

Sammael says, 'but I have a question for you'

Sammael says, 'I know you don't pk much, you've said as much'

LadyAce says, 'so that anyone who hates your patient can attack both of you'

Sammael says, 'but how would like to face a balmed augmenter?'

LadyAce says, 'I surely wouldn't let them flee :P'

Sammael says, 'really'

Sammael says, 'last I checked most augmenters have an escape plan for EVERY way to conceivably stop someone'

Hrath says, 'if it's a 50 mind augmentor I wouldn't really be scared, since you stated you regenerated 10 hp a tick, resting'

Sammael says, 'I have 100% faith I could beat any of you in this room with the character I described, 100% of the time'

Hrath says, 'if you're fighting someone, they're rarely sleeping'

MacMurphy says, 'hard to keep half mages put, since both have a number of ways out'

Sammael says, 'tahts the piont hrath'

Sammael says, 'you can get 80 mind 60 spirit easy'

Sammael says, 'and many do'

Sammael says, 'for more mana'

Sammael says, 'I challenge you hrath to someday make the character I just described on a test port and fight me'

Ea! says, 'well, if the problem is augment, I'd rather fix augment than twiddle with other things to try to work around it.'

Sammael says, 'you WILL not beat me barring INCREDIBLE luck like 4 paras in a row'

Ea! says, 'not that I know how to fix augment.'

Ea! sighs loudly.

Sammael says, 'I guarentee it :)'

Sammael says, 'my augmenter has died once'

Sammael says, 'he got wfw'd 5 times in one fight'

Sammael says, '2 times in a row, which is what killed him'

MacMurphy says, 'where as masha dies all the time'

Sammael says, '2 5 rounders'

MacMurphy snickers softly.

Sammael says, 'I'm not sure I could survive 2 5 rounders :)'

Dashiva says, 'is that the one that beat me up?'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'it is p'

Sammael says, 'I'm just trying to open your eyes!'

Sammael says, 'at least ea knows augment is dumb :P'

Sammael hugs Ea!.

Sammael cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Sandman snickers softly.

Ea! says, 'I did say "if".'

Ea! ducks to the ground.

MacMurphy says, 'do away with battle druids I say'

Sammael says, 'thats the whole thing'

Sammael says, 'its battle druids'

Sammael says, 'not full druids'

Sammael says, 'full druids get sweet heals for a lot of stat points'

MacMurphy says, 'or make them less effective'

Sammael says, 'thus they don't have 20 damroll and 100 dex with 550 hp'

Sammael says, 'thats the problem'

Sammael says, 'I think you should make augment MUCH higher stat reqs'

Sammael says, 'that way real druids won't be affected'

Sammael says, 'while all the little ones will'

Sammael says, 'if they lose some of that fight ability they won't BE so invincible'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'That'd be a *real* popular move.'

Dashiva says, 'but that's like what they did to me sam'

Sammael says, 'well'

Ea! says, 'Not that popularity determines everything.'

Sammael says, 'your only other choice if your not going to "nerf" them is to up everyone else'

Dashiva says, 'more hp!'

MacMurphy says, 'my alt edric_wulf has 30+ hit, 47 damage, 540 hp with 60 heal augments, if I wanted to pkill, how many can match me really if I played the flee/heal game?'

Sammael says, 'none'

Sammael says, 'well'

Sammael says, 'depends'

Sammael says, 'if I para'd you when you were at guts'

Sammael says, 'which, I would have to get you to guts without you healing'

MacMurphy says, 'well'

Sammael says, 'which is almost impossible anyway'

MacMurphy says, 'there is always luck'

Sammael says, 'I MIGHT get you'

Dashiva says, 'I've dopped edric before,'

Sammael says, 'but without incredible luck, you'd win against any of my alts every time'

Dashiva says, 'w/gauche'

MacMurphy says, 'yeah, when I was learning to pkill'

Sammael says, 'well, no offense'

Sammael says, 'but exactly'

MacMurphy chuckles politely.

Sammael says, 'he's not a "good" pkiller'

Sammael says, 'an augmenter who knows what he's doing'

Sammael says, 'and it doesn't take long to figure it out'

Sammael says, 'think you could beat me with that character dash?'

Dashiva says, 'reminds me of typhoid mary'

Sammael says, 'main or not'

Dashiva shudders.

Dashiva says, 'if she ever pk'd.,...'

Sammael pokes Dashiva in the ribs.

Lachesis smiles happily.

Dashiva says, 'hm'

Sammael says, 'if I had edric, think you could beat me? :P'

Dashiva says, 'nope'

Dashiva says, 'er'

Dashiva says, 'hah no'

Sammael says, 'see'

Dashiva says, 'I can't beat most of your chars =L'

Sammael says, 'you could with an augmenter'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Sammael says, 'I died to lancelot the other morning'

Sammael says, 'he's an augmenter'

MacMurphy says, 'that was my point, not to bost about my alt, but to show where the problem exsists'

Sammael says, 'I was hitting sooooo much harder then him'

Sammael says, 'he ended the fight with half his mana'

Sammael chortles with amusement.

Sammael says, 'and he's strength too'

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

Dashiva says, 'vampyr's a str augmenter'

Dashiva flops about helplessly.

Sammael says, 'yep'

Sammael says, 'and I don't think I could beat him with anyone'

Sammael says, 'anyway, this convo isn't accomplishing anything'

Sandman says, 'i beat vampyr a few times the other day'

Sammael says, 'I don't expect drastic measure or anything'

Sandman looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandman says, 'but i did para a lot =p'

Sammael says, 'just would be nice to have you admit theres a problem :P'

Sammael says, 'to know your working on it'

Sammael says, 'even if just brainstorming on how to fix it'

Ea! giggles.

Sammael says, 'I can't honestly believe you think its fine'

Sammael says, 'its been broke for years'

Sammael says, 'just now people are starting to abuse it'

Sammael says, 'they are springing up everywhere'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, right now, I'm mainly working on rewriting all the internal code for immunities, resistances, and susceptibilities.'

Ea! giggles.

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'you make a very good argument tho'

Sammael says, 'I'm just telling you, with all my pk experience, good or bad in your opinion, that I could NEVER beat dim for instance'

Dashiva says, 'he's been abused for years'

Sammael says, 'not because he's a great pkiller, which, he is'

Sammael says, 'but because of his character class'

Sammael says, 'and I don't agree with that'

Sammael says, 'doctorevil is going to be even worse then dim'

Sammael says, 'I've spent the last 2 weeks trying to convince him NOT to level'

Dashiva says, 'a augmenter will win the upcoming tourney, just to drive it home'

Sammael says, 'but he's deemed himself "the augmenter killer" even though I know its going to trickle down into everyone else'

Sammael says, 'actually the tourney is the one place an augmenter may lose'

Sammael says, 'simply because of the enclosed space'

Sandman says, 'nod'

Sammael says, 'but I still think they will do VERY well'

Sammael says to LadyAce, 'on something you said earlier'

Sammael says to LadyAce, 'how would you keep them from fleeing, I'm intrigued :)'

Sandman says, 'only if we all had inspire... sigh'

Dashiva says, 'incite'

LadyAce says, 'bind, weaken, idiocy, incite, blind/crash, walls...'

Dashiva says, 'all mage stuff'

Sammael shakes his head.

MacMurphy says, 'inspire is very easy to get away from'

MacMurphy chuckles politely.

Sammael says, 'if you try to beat an augmenter with magic you WILL lose'

LadyAce says, 'some combination of those'

Sammael says, 'bind they will dispel'

Sammael says, 'weaken they will dispel'

Sammael says, 'idiocy, dispel'

LadyAce says, 'speedy following, etc'

Sammael says, 'incite, calm'

Sammael says, 'blind/crash, flee/dispel'

Ea! says, 'We should ditch the calm self abilitiy.'

Sammael says, 'walls det illusion'

Dashiva goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over Ea! - what a mess!

Ea! says, 'then incite'd be hard to get away from.'

Sandman goes EEK! in distress.

Sammael shakes his head.

Ea! giggles.

Ea! says, 'I just like seeing your reactions.'

Sammael says, 'its easy'

MacMurphy says, 'anti incite is either scatter/calm/fear to get away'

Sammael says, 'first you type wimpy 900'

LadyAce says, 'they could counteract them, but you can play funny games with skill lag, run them out of vials, etc.'

Dashiva says, 'that scares me'

Sandman says, 'noooo no nobody even mentioned that skill shhhhh'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Sammael says, 'then you type calm'

Sammael says, 'so you flee the round after the calm'

LadyAce says, 'I don't expect it to be 100% no flee'

Sammael says, 'and they are still incite lagged'

Ea! says, 'Oh, right, I was thinking of changing the auto-flee overriding lag thing.'

LadyAce says, 'I'd just do stuff to try to prevent it'

Sammael says, 'the problem is'

Sammael says, 'once they get away, all your efforts are for nought and your 300 mana down'

Sammael says, 'because they'll be back in 2 minutes full'

MacMurphy nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'and now you won't have the mana to heal'

Sammael says, 'and thats with a mage'

Sammael says, 'we're not even talking snipers or fighters'

Sammael says, 'hehe, now THAT'D be interesting'

Sammael says, 'the higher spirit you have, the worse chance of fleeing'

MacMurphy says, 'those without the ability to heal'

Sammael says, 'funny'

Sammael says, 'or to stop them'

Dashiva says, 'heh, con snipers!'

Dashiva says, '-50 spi'

Sammael says, 'fighters/snipers have no way to immobilize someone unless they get a para or stun somehow'

Sandman peers at Dashiva, looking him up and down.

Ea! says to Sammael, 'We're trying to make spirit *more* useful.'

Ea! giggles.

Sammael says, 'so add perc'

Sammael says, 'perc is more worthless then spirit'

Sammael says, 'but its ignored'

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

Sammael says, 'its ONLY useful to snipers'

MacMurphy says, 'and as a pre req for mages'

Sammael says, 'spirit has higher reqs then perc for every class save fighters and snipers'

Sammael says, 'thats 4:2'

Sandman says to Sammael, 'but its actually good for str fighters landing stuff i hear'

Sammael says, 'no'

Sammael says, 'perc is nolonger a bonus to hitrol'

Dashiva sobs quietly to himself.

Sammael says, 'which, I agree with'

Sammael says, 'it helped a lot with the snipers are outhitting a fighter while bashed problem'

Sandman says, 'i thought it wasnt because of hitroll more so because of the perception..'

Sammael shakes his head.

Sammael says, 'thats OOOOOLLLLD school buddy'

Sandman says, 'landing bashes that is'

Sammael says, '4 or 5 years ago perc helped you in fighting'

Sammael says, 'that was ganked with the old fight code'

Sandman says to Sammael, 'im catching up its been 2 years =p'

Sandman giggles.

Sammael says, 'thats why qwine, my arabian fighter....'

Sammael says, 'has perc picked 3rd'

Sammael says, 'dex/con/perc'

Sammael says, 'because at the time str was worthless and perc was much more useful'

Dashiva says, 'heh, I still have him rejected as my only reject'

Sammael says, 'but then again he's so old he only gets 241 total stat points'

Dashiva says, 'oh wait no, grendies too'

Dashiva nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Sammael says, 'I commend your efforts to make spirit "useful"'

Sammael says, 'but I think perc is far more "worthless"'

Sammael says, 'spirit is used in surgery, druids, and mages'

Sammael says, 'perc is used in mages and snipers'

Sammael says, 'and while you need 30 for surgery, I don't count that'

Sammael says, '30 is for hunt anyway'

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

MacMurphy looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sammael says, 'just seems perc is shafted, not spirit :)'

Sammael says, 'have you ever considered upping your perc on your mage, hehe'

Hrath waves happily.

Sammael says, 'creates now up spirit to get better charmies'

Sammael says, 'surgeons do it so they can lullaby'

Dashiva says, 'I've seen a 90perc 100 str fighter'

Sammael says, 'and get better heals, as do druids'

Hrath needs to go to bed.

Sammael waves good-bye to Hrath.

Dashiva pounces on Hrath, bowling him over.

Sammael says, 'str snipers are dumb'

Sammael says, 'sooo worthless'

Dashiva says, 'no it was a str fighter'

Dashiva says, 'hehe'

Sammael says, 'anyway'

Sammael says, 'I think I'm going to go play DoAC'

Sammael says, 'or DaOC or whatever :P'

Sammael says, 'keep up the good work'

Sammael says, 'its too bad balance is the main topic tonight'

Sammael says, 'since it never ends....'

Sammael says, 'scrap all my suggestions for the night'

Ea! giggles.

Sammael says, 'I suggest you let the mud suck'

LadyAce tickles Sammael.

Sammael says, 'and instead just do trees'

Dashiva grins evilly.

MacMurphy nods solemnly.

Sammael says, 'since these changes are all for nothing anyway when they go in'

Sammael says, 'seriously'

MacMurphy says, 'trees would make a big difference'

Sammael says, 'it doesn't MATTER how much 60 spirit augments do'

Sammael says, 'because it won't be the same under trees'

Dashiva says, 'heh trees would be like 50 X more problems for htem'

Ea! says, 'trees would just kill balance for months.'

Ea! shudders.

Sammael says, 'it doesn't matter if balm sucks'

Dashiva says, '75+ skills'

Sammael says, 'but it'd be final ea'

Sammael says, 'and actually'

Sammael says, 'you guys did a good job with the fight system, it came in pretty well balanced'

Ea! says, 'Er, no, it'd just be a beginning.'

Ea! says, 'Only with more varriables.'

Sammael says, 'compared to a never ending?'

Sammael says, 'that is all worthless anyway'

Dashiva says, 'I don't like how all this is for naught, as he said'

Sammael says, 'since your balancing a system you plan on ripping'

Sammael says, 'isn't that just a bit discouraging :P'

MacMurphy says, 'good point'

Ea! says, 'Well, we plan on ripping it in the long term. I'm sure we'll have long term plans once we do trees, too.'

Dashiva says, 'well, spells wont be changed'

Sammael says, 'you don't know that'

Dashiva says, 'hehe the 5 year old FAQ said so!'

Dashiva covers his eyes with his hands.

Dashiva says, 'er'

Dashiva says, 'they switched that'

Dashiva attempts to take cover.

Sammael says, 'afk'

Dashiva gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Sasha says, 'what's in the prize machine'

Sasha says, 'I mean which of my ideas'

Sasha laughs with amusement.

Sasha says, 'I figure you won't tell, but I can ask'

Sasha bats her eyelashes.

LadyAce says, 'yup, you'll have to try and find out when the update goes in'

Sasha says, 'figured as much'

Sasha chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'ok, if no one else has questions, I'm going to wrap up the session.'

Lachesis waves happily.

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

LadyAce waves happily.

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