August 2nd, 2001

Invis Immorts and Aura

A heavenly aura appears in the room, is that Kaige?

Zafira peers at Kaige, looking her up and down.

Zafira says, 'wizinvis 51? :P'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'your venerable gerbil poof is gone'

Kaige nods her agreement with Zafira.

Chaykin sniffs sadly.

LadyAce shakes her head in disagreement with Chaykin.

Kaige says, 'with a special new twist that allows me to be seen by the people I'm in the room with.'

LadyAce says, 'it's the aura command. no one outside of here can see her'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'was invis when I came'

Chaykin says, 'yeah, I heard about that'

Chaykin giggles.

Zafira says, 'ah, so then you aren't spammed with people asking you do to stuff'

Kaige nods her agreement with Zafira.

Chaykin says, 'nifty'

Kaige says, 'for one thing... that and I'm still pretty much mostly oow at the moment'

Chaykin says, 'it's like an immort cloaking device'

LadyAce giggles at Chaykin.

Emoteto And Line Length?

Chaykin says, 'first thing concerns emoteto'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'emoteto is neat, but there's a problem: there's no way to have an emoteto that's very long, because the line break kicks in. Is there any way to increase the line limit for emotetos?'

Ea! says, 'There's a line limit in emoteto?'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'Oh, you mean the standard one?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Chaykin says, 'same as everything else, roughly 3 lines plus a little'

Zafira says, 'but with emoteto, you can only have half that, since you have to put it twice, right?'

Chaykin says, 'which means, the longest an emoteto can be is about one and a half lines, if you are lucky'

Ea! says, 'We can't increase it for a single command like that -- it needs to be an across the board thing. The problem with an across the board thing is that it adds to the spam.'

Ea! says, 'and to the blockiness of text, which is harder to read.'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'well I just thought I'd mention it...it kinda limits what you can do with the command'

Chaykin says, 'so, can't be done?'

Ea! says, 'not really, no.'

Socials on Clan Channels?

Grendal says, 'how come the socials do not work in clan chat?'

LadyAce says to Grendal, 'the reason that socials don't show on clan channels is that they don't call the same function as normal channels'

Grendal smiles happily.

LadyAce says to Grendal, 'so it'd take double coding to make it work, and we just haven't gotten to it'

Kaige says, 'and I'd like tosee all the bugs out of the one, before messing with another.'

Ea! says, 'It's on our todo list to try to migrate them over to using the same code, we just haven't gotten to it yet.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says, 'that too'

Throw Skill

Chaykin says, 'okie, next thing involves the throw skill...I came up with another idea that might increase its usefulness'

Zafira says, 'throw person?'

Chaykin says, 'how about giving throw something similar to "aim" that lets you set up your throw?'

Dude says, 'concentrate'

Dude says, 'heh'

Chaykin giggles at Dude.

LadyAce says, 'or focus.'

Ea! says, 'I'm not happy with the current formula for throw at all -- I'd rather just redo the formula so it hits more frequently.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Aurelius says to Ea!, 'ooh...nice'

Ea! says, 'So, in other words: free lunch.'

Ea! giggles.

Aurelius wants to throw his death and watery vials!

Grendal says, 'most mobs juggle anyways'

Dude says, 'you should be able to learn skills that let you throw swords and stuff *steals more good ideas from Final Fantasy Tactics*'

Commands while writing?

Chaykin says, 'would it be possible to make it so that we can input non-writing commands while writing? like a @soandso command that lets you say something to the room, or send a tell or whatever, without breaking the message'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ea! says, 'Idea that? I'll look at it and see.'

Aurelius starts appending to a small piece of paper from Aurelius.

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Aurelius finishes writing on a small piece of paper from Aurelius.

Huginn shudders at the board.c change.

Kaige hands Ea! a silver mirrored shield.

Ea! says, 'I don't *think* it should be too hard, but with the board code, it's hard to know for sure.'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.

Dude says, 'whats the shield?'

Kaige says, 'to protect him from board.c'

Kaige giggles.

Ea! says to Dude, 'To look at the board.c code at so that I don't turn to stone.'

Aurelius throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Dude says, 'lol'

Chaykin giggles.

A Trip Skill?

Grendal says, 'i had an idea for a new skill'

Grendal says, 'a trip command while on the ground'

Chaykin says, 'ooh'

Kathrein nods solemnly.

Grendal says, 'it would be a funner fight'

Grendal shrugs helplessly.

Zafira coughs, "skilltrees."

Grendal says, 'just an idea'

Chaykin says, 'heh I bet there's already a trip command coded, that only imms can use'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chaykin's head.

Kaige nods her agreement with Zafira.

Aurelius says, 'sloth (target!)'

Grendal says, 'mobs trip all the time'

Grendal says, 'quite annoying'

Aurelius giggles.

Chaykin says to Grendal, 'those are specials'

Kaige says, 'those mobs that trip are all using special acts, not skills'

Aurelius wants to have acts *sulk*

Grendal says, 'yes but players should get the skill'

Grendal chortles with amusement.

Chaykin says, 'I do think a trip command would make a nifty fight skill...among many others'

Grendal says, 'be fun in pkok'

Kaige says to Grendal, 'they will, eventually'

Chaykin chuckles politely.

Grendal smiles at Kaige.

Chalice Spam?

Aurelius says, 'Have you looked into all that chalice spam been going around'

Aurelius says, 'might as well just make the chalice a water source'

Aurelius says, 'or something... it would elimate the spammage..'

Grendal says, 'much spam'

Aurelius nods at a belt-pouch indicating his choice.

Chaykin says, 'why not just not keep the chalice in a bag?'

Aurelius likes to lighten the load by putting it into his pouch.

LadyAce says, 'it'd also increase the power of it tremendously :P'

Huginn nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Grendal says, 'raise it to 6k rent'

Grendal snickers softly.

Kaige finds gag on her client QUITE useful.

Zafira says, 'and make it furniture, so then it would be no_preserve'

Aurelius says, 'oh yeah!'

LadyAce says, 'it's not short on power as it is'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Aurelius says, 'or add an item called "very longstraw that sucks water into chalice into players mouth"'

Aurelius says, 'lol j/k'

Grendal smiles happily.

Chaykin says, 'it would cut spam a bit if you could do things like drink chalice/fill chalice in one pulse'

Restringable Quivers

Aurelius says, 'i knwo this has been brought up in the past'

Aurelius says, 'whatabout restringable quivers? :P'

Aurelius forgot the response to that.

Huginn says to Aurelius, 'working on that'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Huginn.

LadyAce says to Aurelius, 'you mean, where your quiver string drops to storage when the quiver is empty?'

Aurelius says to LadyAce, 'just a stringable quiver...and you can put arrows into the quiver'

LadyAce says to Aurelius, 'oh, I see.'

LadyAce says to Aurelius, 'the problem is that the way we deal with ammo is very simple.'

LadyAce says to Aurelius, 'it's like a wand with 5 charges'

Aurelius nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Alignment & Prestige

Aurelius says, 'okay another thing i was talking about some people about'

Aurelius says, 'okay..about evil align vs good align'

Zafira jumps up and down.

Aurelius says, 'will evil receive any more percs?'

Aurelius says, 'seems as if people prefer good align over evil..'

Sammael says, 'only because some healing quests require good or neutral'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Zafira says, 'because good always conquers...justice will prevail'

Aurelius grins evilly at Zafira.. wonder what he's thinking...

Chaykin says, 'I have a char or two that are basically evil, but have to have neutral or good align because of eq considerations'

Chaykin grumbles.

Kaige says, 'out of 42 morts currently online overwhelming majority are neutral with only a difference of 3 players siding with good over evil.'

Sammael nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'just tossing out a factoid.'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Sammael nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'I think that's largely because of so much really nice non-good eq and non-evil eq'

Sammael says, 'align is important, sort of'

Zafira says, 'I wish that it didn't have as many in-game affects, so that people could choose align based more on their rp, than on quests and eq.'

Sammael says, 'most gear is neutral/good'

Grendal says, 'and in-game healing'

Sammael nods his agreement with Grendal.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Zafira.

Aurelius says, 'ahh i love corent'

Kaige says, 'if you find something that you feel is missing eq wise or something that seems off, idea is the best place to get things like that addressed.'

Aurelius says, 'should put in a demon that does something for evilies!'

Ea! says, 'It'd make an interesting poll. Do you choose your alignment mainly for: RP reasons, eq. reasons, in game affects (eg align-based spells), do you not worry about align, or some other reason.'

Sammael says, 'I'm just saying that there are no evil only healing quests, yet there are good only'

Grendal says, 'i have trouble making eq list and roplaying at the same time'

Grendal says, 'my eq stops me'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Ea!.

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'yeah but honestly, what eq is going to be added aside from new areas going in?'

Zafira nods her agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'sounds good to me'

Sammael says, 'I would say overwhelming 90% would say eq'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'it'll be in areas, but builders shop the idea file looking for object ideas'

Aurelius says, 'i choose eq, in-game effects and in-game healing..'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'hmm'

Aurelius says, 'for RP i can just RP it out...doesn't matter what align i am unless they specifically cast detect align'

Ea! says, 'What do you mean by "in game healing"?'

Aurelius says, 'doesn't have that much RP effects.'

Zafira nods her agreement with Aurelius.

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'I added a bunch this summer and last (less stat stuff this summer true) but if someone makes a good case I consider it any time'

Aurelius says to Ea!, 'Corentinus '

Chaykin says to Aurelius, 'it matters for creates...nothing like being an evil guy, and summoning an angel'

Zafira says, 'so few people rp their align, that it doesn't matter much'

Ea! says, 'Ah, mobs and stuff.'

Ea! giggles.

Aurelius says to Ea!, 'and the totems'

Grendal says, 'their is silk now for the tokens though'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says, 'well, quests are likely to always slightly bias against evil people: in history and mythology there are few who go out of their way to help evil people.'

Chaykin says, 'I think it would be neat to see a bigger in-game reaction to align, in the way mobs treat you and whatnot'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Ea!.

Zafira nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'working on it, but it takes a lot of time for builders to add that in so that's it's visible.'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'similar to what mobs in Tudor do if you become a traitor, etc'

Aurelius says, 'or when you're a ritter in norway =P'

Grendal says, 'or ritter'

Zafira says, 'or a female in SF'

Grendal says, 'or in thebes'

Aurelius says to Sammael, 'mob reactions to align'

Aurelius says to Sammael, 'more of it'

Sammael nods his agreement with Aurelius.

Kaige says, 'I have one ideal place, now with a new snippet of code Ea added I can make happen, but I suspect all I will hear is griping about it.'

Sammael grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

Sammael says, 'what did I miss?'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'well, tell us about it and we'll let you know ;)'

Kaige says, 'I hear enough griping about the mobs telling you about it now... renting in the Stag and the Salutation.'

Sammael says, 'you either need to have a lot or nothing based on align'

LadyAce says, 'I, on the other hand, think align should be ripped from the game :P'

Sammael says, 'so there are many benefits or none'

Sammael says, 'this in between thing sucks :)'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'see, that's an idea too'

Grendal smiles at LadyAce.

Zafira nods solemnly.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'since nobody really pays much attention to it anyway'

Aurelius says, 'ack then i wouldn't be selectively killing mobs!'

Aurelius sulks in the corner.

LadyAce says, 'I think it ends up being too subjective'

Sammael says, 'I make everyone neutral'

Grendal says, 'align is not even hard to control'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'well, the in-game reaction stuff I'm talking about could always be based on prestige'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, but pcflags is better than prestige'

Aurelius says, 'ohhh that'd be neat'

Sammael says, 'the only chars I care about align with are create mages'

LadyAce says, 'pcflags meaning what quests or other tasks you've done'

Sammael says, 'since titans suck'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Sammael.

Ea! says, 'We need to fix prestige a bit more in the code before it'll be too useful.'

Aurelius says, 'i wanna be evilly for demons..but but... =P'

Chaykin says, 'in fact, I think one major thing Legend lacks is a fame/reputation system'

LadyAce says, 'that way it's based on who you really are and what you've chosen to do.'

Sammael says to Chaykin, 'hard to do'

Sammael says to Chaykin, 'I guess you could consider fame etc. based on xp...'

Chaykin says to Sammael, 'undoubtedly'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'then everyone is really the same in the long term'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'well, I think that's part of what whoises are about -- fame'

Aurelius says to Sammael, 'hm..like getting those 100mil xp whoises'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'many quests have alternate endings, those are the best to focus on'

Kaige says, 'cause who's gonna give up xp just because it's a "good or evil" quest'

Kaige wrinkles her nose at Aurelius.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'yeah, but you could even have more in-game reaction differences based on certain whoises one has...like in your area'

Chaykin says, 'I kinda wish more of the "one or the other" whoises you can choose didn't give out different eq'

Chaykin says, 'as it is, if you need one piece, you sometimes have to do the quest your character wouldn't necessarily match up with'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Kaige repeats: if you see a type of eq that's lacking, use idea.

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'there's a level where I can sympathize with that, and there's a level where I figure you should be taunted for it :P'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Chaykin says to Sammael, 'yeah, but that's -because- people make the decision based on eq'

Sammael says, 'if you rp this great guy, noone notices or cares if you were cruel and turned in the agrabah prisoner :)'

Zafira says, 'taunted?'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'I mean, a knight in a corset ... so what if you need the stats? You should be laughed at :P'

Sandra says, 'I must be the only one that makes eq decisions based on align/rp =P'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'not the only'

Sammael nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'this is an eq-based mud. you don't really have room to taunt us for making eq decisions like that when it's necessary to achieve what we want'

Sammael says, 'I made eq decisions based on ease of aquiring'

Sammael says, 'I don't want to spend 3 months equiping'

Aurelius says, 'same here'

Huginn nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sandra says, 'well, I use that too'

Grendal nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'and neutral is the most well rounded so to speak'

Aurelius says, 'then i try to string up all the ugly stuff.'

Sammael says, 'no pentalties, no bonus's'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'you can get pieces of eq without doing the quest for them, for one thing.'

Zafira nods solemnly.

Sammael says, 'the majority of items that are non something are usually neutral'

Sammael says, 'very few non-neutral items'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'in theory, but some of those things are simply way too hard to get to wait for the motivation to strike someone else, and they are never on sale'

Sammael says, 'I'd like to see a good sword that good could use though'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'the serrated and claw are both anti-good'

Grendal nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

Chaykin says to Sammael, 'the heaviest swords aren't necessarily the best, tho'

Sammael says, 'and trident and probably the new mino's sword, though I don't know :)'

Sammael shrugs in response to Chaykin's words.

Sammael says, 'as broken as hitroll is, you might as well'

Sammael says, 'your going to hit 3/12 or 2/5'

Sammael says, 'the 2/5 will do more damage'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'like, one of my chars needed a crimson sash. I don't ever see those blamed things for sale, and the quest is too long and too much trouble for someone else to do for me'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'so I had to betray the queen, with a good character'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'I can understand feeling pressured, but ultimately I think it's more important to the game to maintain a direct link between the character and the character's action'

Sandra says, 'there are duplicates for most quest items tho'

Huginn nods his agreement with Sandra.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'yes, but there is a greater reward in eq with the right stats, than there is in the link between actions'

Sammael says, 'doesn't mean we know where they are'

Grendal says, 'you just gotta find them'

Sandra says, 'well, then you'll have something to do ;)'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'couldn't find someone else to betray her for you?'

Kaige winks suggestively at Chaykin.

Sammael says, 'saying, "there is now a clone of item X" for example means that out of the millions of mobs and items out there, ONE was changed or added'

Zafira says, 'well, who is going to actually whois a specific character, see they betrayed the queen or something when they are supposed to be good, and get on them for it?'

Grendal nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'needle in a haystack doesn't even cover it'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'you want me to ask somebody else to spend their days waiting for a stupid new moon?'

Grendal says, 'took me forever to find this'

Grendal pokes a leopard-skin robe - It's dead, Grendal.

Grendal tips his hat to Tobias.

Sandra says, 'personally, if I end up with a whois that doesn't fit my char, I turn my whois off'

Tobias says, 'starting early?'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'might have to pay them well for it.'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Tobias, 'it's 7:46 here.'

Sammael says to Kaige, 'I don't think I know anyone willing to do it'

Ea! says to Zafira, 'Well, if you're a spaniard, betraying the queen of england is a good thing.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sammael.

Zafira says, 'I think we should be able to have only the whoises we want on'

Zafira says, 'so then we can pick the few that most represent our chars'

Chaykin says to Zafira, 'that'd be neat too'

Sammael says, 'but your life is like a book'

Aurelius says, 'whoa that would be waesome'

Sammael says, 'and you record the good with the bad'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'your whois's are in a sense your reputation'

Sammael says, 'good or bad'

Zafira nods her agreement with Sammael.

Kaige says, 'it's be rather contrary to the point of why whoises were put in in the first place'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'they represent decisions you have made'

Chaykin says to Sammael, 'right, and I just don't think those decisions should have to be made based on eq all the time'

Sammael says, 'its just like in bgII, though few have probably played it, you have a reputation'

Zafira says, 'well, they were put in when there weren't as many'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'that's YOUR choice'

Grendal nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'its just here your reputation has absolutly no in game importantace'

Grendal says, 'that would be cool'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'is it? what are my alternatives? Like I said, it's way too much of a time investment for me to ask someone else to do it. Most wouldn't do it even for money'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'play it slower, did you read my last piece in the LT?'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'yes I did. and it makes sense, but that doesn't mean I want to sit around not being able to chant my spells because I have to wait for somebody else to do a quest for me'

Sammael says, 'and if you do good things, it goes up, and shopkeepers give you better deals on stuff because your good and known throughout the land'

Kaige says to Sammael, 'actually that's one of the things I'd like prestige to do, if it's high enough (and good it'd give you a discount in shops cause you're a cool guy) if it's high enough and you're evil you'd get one for fear you'd kill them if yo'

Sammael says, 'but if you did that kaige, prestige wouldn't be able to be affected by praise or fighting...'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'again, that's your choice. if you choose to focus on that approach, that's teh trade off to doing that'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'well, at that point we're likely to tell you that you don't need to always wear the maximized best eq set'

Sammael says, 'though I love the idea'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'it's not just my focus. the entire game is largely focused on eq'

Sammael says, 'just not sure how you could imp it'

Kaige says to Sammael, 'that's why it's not in yet, because we don't have that working at a rate we like and would work with something like that.'

Grendal waves happily.

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'I'm not arguing that in the least. '

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'yes, but why does there need to be a trade-off? what's the argument in favor of having to do so many quests a certain way to get certain eq?'

LadyAce says, 'I find on some of my chars, it's not worth my time to run around trying to get 2 more points of this or that. I'd rather kill things and watch the eq scrap right off my body :P'

Sandra giggles at LadyAce.

Sandra says, 'and she does too'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'the trade off there is you get builders who take time and pride in their work compared to a stock mud where things get tossed in willy nilly and frankly ends up sucking.'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'and they have to have different eq in different quest resolutions in order for them to take pride in their areas?'

Chaykin looks at Kaige, boggled.

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'do you remember me saying if you find something lacking use idea? =)'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'in the case of evil = statcomboA and good = statcomboB, I think it's just a matter of suggesting a different approach to the builder and seeing where it gets you?'

Kaige says, 'sometimes what's lacking just isn't obvious'

Zafira nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sammael says, 'i would say now eq leans incredibly towards neutral, then good, and lastly evil'

Chaykin says, 'well that's what I'm just trying to explain :) I think more quests should be done based on what your char would do, without having to worry about what eq you will get'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think there are all that many quests where you have to do them one way to get a certain reward'

Sammael says, 'boston comes to mind'

LadyAce says, 'I can only think of maybe 2 or 3.'

Sammael says to Sandra, 'no offense :)'

Sandra says, 'none taken'

Sammael hugs Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

Sammael says, 'thats just the main one I can think of'

Chaykin says, 'Tudor quest. Alaska Tlingit quest. Boston.'

Zafira says, 'boston, tudor, aleksander...'

Sammael says, 'one of the quests that pisses me off is the one in psiles'

Sandra says, 'but then again, as I said before, most quest items DO have duplicates in the game =P'

Sammael says, 'where if you give the armor to the one guy, the entire town forever afterwards tries to kill you with no way out last I knew'

Sammael says, 'but the duplicates are higher rent'

Sammael says, 'and rent is something a lot of us can't afford'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

Sandra says, 'sometimes'

Chaykin says, 'PIsles too'

Sammael says, 'I can't rent my neck item until I get a tiny tree earring :P'

Sammael pokes a bone earring - It's dead, Sammael.

Chaykin says, 'lesse, the sidhe friendship quest'

Zafira says, 'well, very few people use that eq'

Sammael nods his agreement with Zafira.

Sammael says, 'its too ungodly high rent'

Sammael says, 'I've never even considered a 12k item :P'

Sammael says, 'not when gear like herne horns were booted up in rent'

Chaykin says, 'ah yes, the Dreamtime quest'

Chaykin says, 'with Wonjuru/Binjarra'

Sammael says, 'theres the agrabah quest, though it affects whois's, not gear'

Chaykin says, 'there are a bunch'

Chaykin shrugs helplessly.

Sammael says, 'theres another one in crusades'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'there are quite a few with multiple endings'

LadyAce says, 'really?'

Sammael says to LadyAce, 'not gear, just whois I believe'

LadyAce says, 'I didn't think any of mine gave different eq to good and evil :P'

Chaykin says, 'see, I like the dragon one in crusades. No eq attached, you just decide which you want to side with, christians or muslims :)'

Sammael nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Zafira says, 'we probably won't make decisions based on the whoises instead of gear, because we are so used to not caring about it'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, I don't know if there's any progress to be made in this discussion. Who else has questions?'

Colored WHOIS strings?

Aurelius says, 'oh...whatabout colored whoises?'

Aurelius says, 'like for non-quest...pk tournaments etc'

Aurelius says, 'will be dif color'

Sammael says, 'eww'

Sammael says, 'I like color and whois's, but I don't think they should be joined :P'

Grendal says, 'expies should be colored'

Aurelius says, 'yeah'

Aurelius says, 'like those type whoises'

Sammael says, 'expies are a giant popularity contest'

Aurelius says, 'like a bright white or something'

Zafira says, 'but there are so many whoises, people rarely read through the list to see which alternates you did'

Sammael says, 'its like highschool prom king and queen'

Sammael snickers softly.

Zafira nods her agreement with Sammael.

Aurelius laughs with amusement.

Chaykin giggles.

Reputations?

Sammael says, 'what would be cool would be if there was a type of reputation based on what people think of you'

Zafira nods her agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says, 'for example, if you piss someone off, they could type "hate sammael" and I would have a reputation marker against me'

Sammael says, 'but maybe 3 people would say "like sammael"'

Sammael says, 'because its based on your actions, but it would require people to pay attention'

Sammael says, 'for example, yesterday I killed some little guy'

Sammael says, 'I then grouped with him and leveled him'

Grendal chortles with amusement.

Grendal claps for Sammael approvingly.

Sammael says, 'while that doesn't necessarly make me nice, it doesn't make me evil'

Sammael says, 'basicly your reputation just matters selectively amoung people, especially in pk'

Sammael says, 'for example to this day people still fear craven, though I have no idea why'

Sammael says, 'but it really doesn't matter in game'

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

Sammael says, 'I get depressed having to heal :P'

Sammael says, 'so I tend to avoid mobs'

Hitroll/Damroll Balance?

Sammael says, 'just wondering if any ideas have been tossed out for the hitroll deal, and if not, if its even considered stupid at the moment :P'

Tobias says to Dude, 'That's cause you're a drunkard.'

Dude says, 'so if i act cheesy... will you gimme the wine?'

LadyAce says, 'the hitroll deal?'

Tobias waves happily.

Ea! says, 'We've only just begun talking about it.'

Aurelius gets Suger's chalice from a belt-pouch.

Aurelius puts Suger's chalice in a belt-pouch.

Sammael says, 'like how you have to have high hitroll to do good damage, but not high damroll'

Sammael says, 'for example'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sammael.

Ea! says, 'We're trying to get a sense of what the problem is.'

Zafira nods her agreement with Sammael.

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'oh, must not be with me :)'

Ea! says, 'Probably it's that hitroll is over powered.'

Sammael says, 'a sniper with 30 hit 3/dam can hit just as hard a someone with 10 hit and 50 dam'

Zafira says, 'yep'

Sammael says, 'you almost have to have 20-30 hitroll to be effective'

Chaykin says to Sammael, 'they can hit harder'

Aurelius says, 'yeah'

Chaykin says to Sammael, 'because they hit more consistently'

Sammael says, 'my create mage has 10 hit and 44 damroll'

Sammael says, 'he rarely decimates'

Dude says, 'why not add to damroll, not take away from hitroll to fix the problem?'

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'we only even heard about this 14 minutes ago. So for now we have nothing to add.'

Dude says, 'always taking away to balance things...'

Chaykin looks at LadyAce, boggled.

Zafira looks at LadyAce, boggled.

Sammael says, 'guess I missed it :)'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'this has been an issue forever, I even think I've brought it up before'

LadyAce says, 'well, I got that timeline from Ea :)'

Sammael says, 'I brought it up before I was force archived, tested it with sandra, but the coders are super busy'

Sammael says, 'thats why I thought I'd ask'

Sammael says, 'just wondered if it was still an issue'

Ea! says to Dude, 'It's not that simple of a system -- hitroll doesn't just play off damroll, it also plays off hit points, mana, and other things.'

Sammael says, 'at the moment its more beneficial to have 25 hit then 25 dam'

Sammael says, 'which it should be about even I would think'

Kaige thinks it's usually brought up as "dex is overpowered/strength sucks".

Aurelius gets Suger's chalice from a belt-pouch.

Zafira nods her agreement with Kaige.

Aurelius puts Suger's chalice in a belt-pouch.

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Yeah, but I think that's a slightly different problem.'

Sammael says, 'strength doesn't suck'

LadyAce says, 'that usually gets us around to where dex is called rather than the value of hitroll'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'perhaps.'

Sammael says, 'its just not very effective without dex'

Zafira says, 'well, this is one of the problems with str sucking'

Sammael says, 'same goes for con though'

Sammael says, 'you can't hit very hard without dex as a con fighter either'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'that's a combination of two things, so far as I can tell: too much defensive stuff being dex-based, and damroll being underpowered'

Sammael says, 'part of that problem is areas'

Sammael says, 'there is lots of damroll gear'

Sammael says, 'very very little hit gear'

Sammael says, 'so you can augment your shitty strength, hard to augment shitty dex'

Zafira says, 'dex winds up being powerful both defensively and offensively'

Sammael nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'heh.. there's +86 in +dam gear out there and +85 in +hit.'

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

Sammael says, 'whatever kaige'

Sammael says, 'lets talk USEABLE gear'

Chaykin says, 'well, I personally still think we should do with hit/dam what we did with hp/mana/move...rescale it and dump out all the old gear'

Sammael says, 'there are worn riding, luckstones I guess, and the ear feather thing from boston'

Sammael says, 'all are plus 2'

Dude says, 'yeah... but damroll gear comes in +6's and +5's - hitroll comes in +2's and +3's'

Zafira nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'hit and dam should be, imo, stat-based, not eq-based'

Sammael says, 'herne horns, brine rings alone give you enough to max your damroll'

Kaige says, 'majority of it is all in weild and held.'

Sandra says, 'afk a min'

Sammael says, 'actually'

Dude says, 'rings'

Sammael says, 'I completely agree with chaykin'

Sammael says, 'I think you would COMPLETELY solve the majority of this problem if you just got rid of +hit/dam'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'however, there are certain things like brass knuckles which just scream for plus dam'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'which is fine, if they are short a few stat points. but we still have +hp gear too, but con people don't NEED it to have high hp'

Zafira says, 'make 100 str give you better dam and 100 dex give you better hit, just like you made high con give better hp'

Sammael says, 'if you made it entirely stat based'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'right now, even people with 100 str NEED +dam gear to hit well'

Sammael says, 'you could have like 20 hit with 40 dex'

LadyAce says, 'please feel free to suggest new gear ideas.'

Sammael says, 'and be able to hit'

Huginn says to Zafira, 'the bonus of dex should be evasion, not hitting'

Sammael nods his agreement with Huginn.

LadyAce says, 'we know that there's an issue with dex fighters, and we're going to look at it when we have a chance but we haven't'

Kaige says to Zafira, 'I believe they already do.. (or they used to or something)'

Sammael says, 'or make hitroll based on your "stat" used for fighting'

Sammael says, 'so if your a strength fighter, hit is based on strength, con fighters hit would be based on con'

Chaykin says to Sammael, 'problem with that is, I doubt the mud can tell what your "fight stat" is'

Sammael says, 'give more bonus to 100's'

Ea! says to Huginn, 'I'm not sure I agree with that... I think I'd go the other way at this point. But the important point is that it shouldn't be both.'

Sammael says, 'sure it can'

Zafira says, 'what is the base damroll for 100 str? something like 25?'

Sammael says, 'its based on what profiencancy your using'

Huginn nods his agreement with Ea!.

Sammael says, 'if your using swordsmanship, it uses strength as your hit'

Ea! says, 'I don't want to break the symatry of the hitroll/damroll/hp thing. It's going to cause more problems in the long run.'

LadyAce says, 'Ok, I think that's enough on this one, it's an old topic and what it really needs is a coder to sit down and pound on it, and we'll get to it when we can.'

Sammael says, 'hehe, ladyace is aggrivated'

Sammael hugs LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'I'm not aggravated, I wish we could fix the code talking about it but ...:('

Sammael says to LadyAce, 'it'll be okay :) We still love you!'

Upcoming Projects?

Chaykin says, 'my question is, aside from routine maintainence, new areas and such, is there anything on the horizon, code-wise, area-wise or pr-wise or anything, that's innovative or new?'

LadyAce says, 'new areas usually have something innovative in them :P'

Ea! says, 'I'm working on effects of poison. This week I coded nausea, spasms, and comas.'

Huginn cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Ea! says, 'Maybe one or two others, I forget.'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'comas?'

Chaykin shudders.

Aurelius rolls around on the ground with laughter.

LadyAce says, 'the poisons are new affs, not skills'

Ea! says, 'Oh, and I worked a bunch on hallucinations, too, but I'm not sure where I'm going with that code. I don't like what I've got.'

Aurelius says, 'so if i'm posioned i can go into a coma...?'

Aurelius says, 'yikes'

Chaykin says, 'what is a coma? like you're asleep and can't wake up?'

Ea! says to Aurelius, 'If you don't treat the poison, it'll get worse.'

LadyAce says, 'and we hashed around ideas about dreams as part of the hallucination stuff'

Aurelius cackles gleefully at Ea! - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Kaige says, 'yeah, being poisoned isn't going to be as simple as it is now.'

Zafira says, 'and then just lie there until a friendly druid comes along?'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, right now, there's no way out of a coma.'

Aurelius says to Ea!, 'hrm...are you going to make more lvls of poisons? like now theres only...regular and major...'

Dude says, 'quit y =P'

Aurelius goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over Ea! - what a mess!

Sammael says, 'thats perfect for us pkillers...hehe'

Sammael says, 'I can see that being soooo abused'

Ea! is dealing with the "removing the affects of poison" part later.

Aurelius laughs with amusement.

Sammael says, 'coma the entire sl run and kill them one at a time :P'

Ea! says, 'There'll be a way out of it before it goes in. But getting someone into a coma won't be easy.'

Aurelius says, 'bleh watch EA don't even code the removing part..'

Sammael throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Huginn says to Sammael, 'or leave them for the hounds?'

Dude says to Sammael, 'with your luck... the hounds would still appear and nail you'

Sammael nods his agreement with Huginn.

Zafira says, 'famous last words: I'm just getting to the antidote'

Sammael says to Dude, 'stop making fun of my luck'

Kaige says, 'it'll be highly unlikely that coma will be the first set of symptoms that the person poisoned experiences'

Chaykin giggles at Zafira.

LadyAce tickles Sammael.

Chaykin says, 'will poison affects save over rent and stuff?'

Sammael says, 'just because I had someone inspired the other day and was winning easily and then firestormed the line ainur entered and he instantly para warcried me...'

Dude says, 'oh, that would suck'

Sammael says, 'doesn't mean my luck sucks!'

Kaige says, 'eventually, but we need more ways and more "available" ways before we put that in.'

Chaykin laughs at Sammael.

Kaige says, 'and not just poison, but that would mean all affects.'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Oh, yeah, that's something I need to get back to looking at.'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'well, the poison affects sound neat, but people won't appreciate them much if they just rent them off right away, like they do now'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Zafira says, 'I fear that doing that would hurt newbies more than anyone else'

Aurelius giggles.

Aurelius says, 'will there be more levels of poisons?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Aurelius.

Aurelius says, 'ahhh and only evil druids can use those new levels!?'

Ea! nods his agreement with Aurelius.

Aurelius says, 'oohhh!!!!'

Kaige says to Aurelius, 'but probably not in the way you're thinking.'

LadyAce says, 'they're not likely to be able to just rent them off :P we wouldn't bother with complex diseases if all you need is to type rent.'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin says, 'evil druids...where's Llewellyn when you need him?'

Chaykin giggles.

Aurelius rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Ea! says, 'There are six levels of toxicity -- each toxicity will have different effects associated with it and have a chance to either get worse or better.'

Aurelius says, 'ohhhhh'

Ea! says, 'You'll be able to cure symptoms of poisons a lot more easily than the poison itself.'

Aurelius says, 'starting from applying poison/or major poison?'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Zafira ponders a vial of ipecac.

Aurelius says, 'oh boy this means the imms gonna give new poisons to mobs...bleh'

Chaykin giggles at Zafira.

Sandra grins evilly.

Dude says, 'naw, i think they mean its the same poison - with different lvls of effect'

LadyAce says to Aurelius, 'nah, it's for a set of skills, herbs, etc.'

Aurelius says, 'oh'

Chaykin says, 'heh, you know Sandra will make efficient use of that'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'new, evil thoughts coming to my mind.'

Ea! says, 'Poisoning of wells and the like will probably only do very minor types of poisons.'

Chaykin grins evilly at Sandra.. wonder what he's thinking...

Ea! says, 'So that it doesn't hurt newbies too much.'

Sandra giggles.

Huginn hides.

Dude says to Sandra, 'dont worry... i'll still figure out a way to kill it =P'

Dude says, '99 homuns...'

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Ea! says, 'Also, having to seek out a high level druid or surgeon to help cure it helps improve player interaction, etc.'

Dude says, 'make it in med, it'd be easy then =P'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Ea!.

Zafira says, 'it would be neat if poisons started out minor and got stronger the longer you take to find a cure. Or had some delayed effect'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Aurelius says to Ea!, 'ohhh that sounds real rael nice'

Kaige says to Zafira, 'that's the idea'

Ea! says to Zafira, 'that's the plan.'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'is that what you were asking? Kaige's web page has a list of the PR projects we have going right now, I'm not sure if she's put the rest of the imm depts in or not'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'okie'

Kaige says, 'I haven't gotten anyone else's project lists'

Kaige pokes Ea! in the ribs.

Kaige pokes Sandra in the ribs.

Kaige pokes Zandy for good measure.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'Ea did send somethin in...'

Sandra says, 'hey, neither have I! ;)'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Hey, I sent you mine!'

Sandra says, 'can I blame my email?'

Kaige says, 'oh. Hmm.. have to dig through my mail again then.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Sandra can't send out again.

Ea! says to Kaige, 'It wasn't very long...'

Kaige will look for that and get those up there then.

Skilltrees/New skills/Balance

Aurelius says, 'whatabout...hm have you guys looked into making trade skills more useful/valuable?'

Ea! says to Aurelius, 'Most of those are on hold for 'trees.'

LadyAce says to Aurelius, 'yeah, that's a skilltrees change though'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Aurelius says, 'wait'

Dude says, 'trees'

Dude shudders.

Aurelius says, 'just to clarify'

LadyAce says, 'we have stacks of ideas for them.'

Aurelius says, 'is skilltrees really being worked on rite now? :P'

LadyAce says, 'no, it's not being worked on'

Aurelius bursts into tears.

Chaykin says, 'um skilltrees aren't ever happening :P'

Sandra says, 'I worked on 1 skill. Then promptly lost it when I had to reinstall linux'

LadyAce says, 'it's just a category of projects we intend to do in the future.'

Aurelius goes EEK! at Sandra in distress - isn't Sandra an awful person for teasing?

Ea! says, 'Some of the projects that we are working on are prerequisites for trees.'

Aurelius says, 'hm its not really a big project then?'

LadyAce says, 'poisons have to go in before trees'

Dude says, 'no one wants to take it... cause whenever someone has an idea - it gets tacked on the "skilltress" list =P'

Aurelius says, 'its just a bunch of smaller ones?'

Ea! says, 'Without the poisons code, there wouldn't be as much need for the pill making code, for example.'

LadyAce says, 'it's a massive project made up of a billion components'

Aurelius says to Ea!, 'whoa....'

Kaige says to Aurelius, 'the problem is it's too big and unwieldy to work on effectively'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Kaige.

Aurelius says, 'i hope i get to see skilltrees before i die =)'

Aurelius nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Aurelius knocks on wood.

LadyAce says, 'I think if we had the framework completely in it could be done in stages.'

Sandra says, 'we can take turns suckerpunching you. That'd be a taste'

Zafira says to Aurelius, 'you're young. You may live to see it yet.'

Aurelius giggles.

Dude says, 'Ea's great grandkids will be working on it =P'

Huginn laughs with amusement.

Aurelius rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Kaige says to Huginn, 'start teaching Seraphina C now.'

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce has many inappropriate replies to that but will stay silent.

Dude laughs with amusement.

Aurelius cackles gleefully at LadyAce - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Chaykin says, 'why can't we get more fight skills before trees? what do those depend on to go in first?'

LadyAce says to Zafira, 'Go ahead with your question.'

Sandra giggles.

Zafira says, 'how is the Klein update coming?'

LadyAce says to Zafira, 'Basically I just need to test it at this point, but haven't had time.'

Huginn says to Kaige, 'already on it! I want her to learn bourne shell first though'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'They depend on a way to balance them against everything else.'

Kaige giggles at Huginn.

Zafira nods solemnly.

Ea! says to Huginn, 'Good call.'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'the fight skills are treed too, and if we put them in before trees, we'd have to recode them when trees came'

Dude says, 'oh well, i gotta go to bed'

Huginn thinks you can't ignore the "classics"

Dude says, 'got a long drive thing tommorow =P'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce waves good-bye to Dude.

Zafira says, 'I have to go'

Zafira waves happily.

Dude waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'at this point we already have too many problems with things that we put in the wrong way just to get them in, and every new one just makes it worse.'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'so we're not likely to do that with skills when the right way is staring us in the face'

Chaykin says, 'yeah, but do you guys honestly expect to ever really do the rest of trees?'

Kaige says, 'the majority of what's left to do is the skills themselves.'

LadyAce says, 'call us optimisitic'

Kaige says, 'its' just there are so many of them, and every one wants to add something to them, it gets to be a big vicious circle.'

Aurelius will major in coding, and when he graduates in 10 years, he will help with the skilltrees lol

Chaykin says, 'you could just freeze all the ideas you have in place, and do those and work them out, then leave room for more stuff later'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'that's what we've been attempting to do oh.. since Ptah was around?'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'oh I know it'

Chaykin giggles.

Ea! says, 'Well, in fairness, most of the changes that happen are necessary due to changes in the mud and the mud community.'

Chaykin says, 'but haven't you like completely scrapped trees twice already?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'well, part of the problem is that any time you sit down to do something which the design work was done five years before, you realize you have to start over.'

Chaykin says, 'yeah, but I thought you guys had already started from scratch again a few times'

Ea! says, 'Most of the ideas are the same. I mean, all of the poisons stuff that I'm working on was spec'd out long before I became a coder...'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'pretty much only once, and that wasn't completely. that was just the guts'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Aurelius says, 'all that time.....spent on trees....gone forever...'

Kaige says, 'it's the individual skills and trees that tend to get tossed in the hopper and remixed'

Aurelius says, 'can the guts still be used? =P'

LadyAce says, 'the guts were already pretty much redone'

Aurelius says, 'ah'

LadyAce says, 'Rufus redid a good portion of them'

Aurelius says, 'so skilltrees ARE being worked on!!!!!!!!'

Chaykin says, 'well, it's hard to know what to want first, the exciting new stuff, or the fixes to glaring problems, like str and hitroll, that really NEED done at some point'

Aurelius says, 'ahh Legend...a place where myths come true...'

Ea! says to Aurelius, 'Well, that was a year or two ago.'

Aurelius goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over Ea! - what a mess!

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Well, just think about it. When trees go in, the balance problems are going to be on an entirely different scale.'

Chaykin says, 'you can choose to balance things first, but then later when you add new stuff, they will be unbalanced again'

Chaykin says, 'that's why I think you should just do all the new stuff, get it in and working, and then work on balance issues'

Aurelius says, 'nodnodnod'

LadyAce says, 'at this point I do not want to see us dragged back into balance, definitely'

Chaykin says, 'but the new stuff is such a long time away, and meanwhile there are issues with the way things are now that are really troublesome'

Chaykin says, 'it's definitely a big problem'

LadyAce says, 'It's not big enough to drag us away from the new stuff'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'every time we stop to work on balance, it's 6 months to a year before we dig our way out'

Chaykin says, 'what is the next project once poisons are done?'

LadyAce says, 'even with the small changes, we can't fool ourselves into believing balance is anything other than a morass :P'

Ea! says, 'Probably affects saving over rent. But maybe we'll do that first.'

Aurelius says, 'Is there a project plan/roadmap??'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'It's all coded except for one or two small, but tricky, things.'

LadyAce says, 'we don't have a player-releasable project plan anywhere'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'it would make more sense to do that first, since it will negate a lot of the poisons stuff otherwise'

LadyAce says, 'we function from internal todo lists and spec sheets'

Aurelius nods solemnly.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'well, I don't think we need to see spec sheets or anything, we just like to know what's going on once in awhile'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Yeah, it probably will be done sometime before I finish the poisons code.'

Chaykin smiles at Ea!.

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'that's why we have Kaige's web page of projects'

LadyAce says, 'before we just recited the lists in Q & As :P'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'yeah but I doubt most people know about that...I didn't, until tonight'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'well, it started last week, so it's a new thing.'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'well I co-opted an existing page...'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'but reciting the lists in Q & As and on boards is a time-honored practice'

Chaykin says, 'well, it's cool :) as long as it doesn't die off a couple of months from now that is'

Kaige says, 'yeah, but they tend to be more "what just happened" not what's coming'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'you can always ask us to update it.'

Kaige says, 'and it's got a "guilt date stamp" so bug me if they get too out of date.'

Chaykin giggles at Kaige.

Chaykin says, 'guilt date'

Kaige says, 'that's exactly why I put them on those pages'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Stuff Done Recently

LadyAce says, 'I'm happy to report that I kicked the snot out of the PR todo list last week! Mostly helpfiles, but still :)'

Chaykin cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

Kaige kicked the snot out of typos in Industrial recently.

Ea! hugs LadyAce.

LadyAce cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'I saw that, woweee'

Sandra says, 'boy, I need to do some work. You two are making me look bad =P'

Chaykin giggles at Sandra.

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'stop climbing hills and start sitting still more! :P'

Sandra says, 'but...but...'

Sandra says, 'it was calling me!'

LadyAce giggles at Chaykin.

LadyAce tickles Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'does anyone else have questions?'

LadyAce says, 'I should post those helpfile changes actually, they don't get posted with area stuff'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'I was wondering about that'

Sandra says, 'ooh! I can commit my pittsburgh stuff'

Sandra did do work!

Kaige cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Sandra says, 'well, don't cheer, coz it wasn't alot ;)'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'anything to do with that buggy baseball game?'

LadyAce says, 'I usually try to post at least thank yous but I didn't even want to touch my computer after the last ones'

Ea! waves happily.

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'I'm still working on that one =( That's really hard to debug'

LadyAce says, 'so we're all done? I'll summarize those helps if so :)'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce has created a small piece of paper!

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige waves happily.

Chaykin waves happily.

Chaykin says, 'thanks folks'

Ea! says, 'Thanks for coming!'

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