August 9th, 2001

Description Policy Discussion

LadyAce says, 'there's a topic on the welcome board -- a change to the 'help description' rules. Please take a look if you haven't had a chance.'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'we might as well get the desc stuff out of the way...have you decided if you are gonna make people change their existing ones?'

LadyAce says, 'that topic is still on the table. I'm inclined to let them alone'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's fair, but some people's descs are really key in identifying who they are, they're pretty much part of them.'

Chaykin points at Elisa.

Elisa nods her agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'we've changed "egregiously bad" descs in the past, and I don't think a rule change is the same as a mistake/never-shoulda-been'

Elisa says, 'nobody would recognize me without my desc'

Dashiva says, 'but her desc does say human form'

Dashiva says, 'soo...onward!'

Lorenzo says to Elisa, 'I think I would...'

Elisa smiles at Lorenzo.

LadyAce says, 'I think that Elisa's desc is probably fine as it is.'

Kae says, 'it is human, no matter what she was before she was trapped.'

Quimby says, 'so does ths mean i can finally be grumpy old bastard :P'

Elisa says, 'really? it seemed like mine is exactly what is being made illegal?'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Quimby.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Elisa.

LadyAce says, 'no'

LadyAce says, 'compare help desc to what is in the post'

Dashiva snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'and you'll see that the mermaids were illegal before'

Elisa says, 'then can you explain what the change is?'

Kae says, 'it's basically that you can be something in human form, but not a dwarf, an elf, a mermaid, etc.'

Chaykin says, 'it says in the help file that such beings are allowed in human form...and it seems like in the change they are not allowed even in human form'

Elisa nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'That's what I understood.'

Quimby says, 'ah a grumpy old bastard in human form then:P'

Chaykin says, 'I mean, stuff like mermaids weren't ever allowed in non-human form, weren't they?'

Kaige says, 'I still think dwarf and giant are splitting hairs where it's not needed. but that's my person opinion on those two.'

Rinoa sighs loudly.

Dashiva pounces on Rinoa, bowling her over.

LadyAce says, 'the current help says "No mermaids". The suggested change is the same exact words.'

Chaykin says, 'so then what is being changed?'

Kae says, 'I believe the start of this argument was splitting hairs over dwarf and midget, seeing as one is a fantasy race and the other a condition.'

LadyAce says, 'If you compare the current help desc to what I have on the welcome board, there's two areas: gods and dwarves.'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'they're technically both a medical condition... dwarfism'

Quimby says, 'but isn't it called dwarfism?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Quimby.

Kae nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'and it definitely existed before Tolkien'

Dashiva says, 'er...but why cant we have dwarves?'

Chaykin says, 'so you are changing it so that gods and dwarves aren't allowed in human form?'

Dashiva says, 'dwarves _are_ human'

Elisa says, 'aren't midgets and dwarves two separate conditions?'

Kae says, 'the point is that you can be a midget but not a Dragonlance dwarf'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Elisa.

Quimby says, 'and many people of above average height are referred to as giants'

Dashiva says, 'dwarf is human =P'

Chaykin says, 'midgets and dwarves are different'

LadyAce says, 'I think something like "a circus dwarf" would be okay, particularly if the long made it clear which meaning of dwarf you were going with'

Kaige says to Kae, 'but that's not what it sounded like was being said.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kae says to Kaige, 'that's what we need to clarify then?'

Dashiva rolls his eyes heavenward.

Quimby says, 'i think its being too nitpicky'

Kaige says, 'I don't have a problem with that, but just completely saying "no giants and dwarves seems wrong to me"'

Kae says, 'circus dwarf fine, battle axe wielding AD&D dwarf not?'

Quimby says, 'we have faeries here , i think faeries should be allowed'

Muad'Dib says, 'so, if you play a person that's tall, make the description say a tall man, instead of giant?'

Dashiva says, 'why not a ad&d dwarf?'

Kingfisher thinks the hand-raising thing was forgotten.

Quimby says, 'we have a dwarf here same, we have giants as well'

Chaykin says, 'or just a giant man'

Dashiva says, 'this is a discussion'

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'or fantasy-style dwarf'

Kae says to Dashiva, 'because historically those did not and were never believed to exist'

Dashiva says, 'neither was hell =P'

Dashiva ducks to the ground.

Thundarr says, 'aint there an ad&D type dwarf making swords in beowulf area?'

LadyAce says, 'the dwarf rules aren't really changing, just being clarified, as far as I know.'

Kae says, 'Hell is believed to exist by a fair lot of people :p'

Kaige says to Kae, 'actually, Ragin in Beowulf is pretty much one of those'

Thundarr claps for himself because no one else will.

LadyAce says, 'the part that's changed is with the gods and goddesses'

Quimby says, 'but then again neither did dragons, or shades or ghosts'

Dashiva says, 'I dunno, I agree with elfs and serpents and all that, but dwarves? c'mon'

Elisa claps for Thundarr approvingly.

Chaykin says, 'it's not just something that was believed to exist though...lots of things that were believed at the time to exist still don't cut the mustard for PC descs'

Kae says to Kaige, 'being of the mythology that Ragin is also of, I'd say he's pretty far from AD&D'

Kaige says to Kae, 'yeah, but it's a lot closer than the circus dwarf =)'

LadyAce says, 'we'll work on clarifying the dwarf thing -- I don't think any of us disagree on that topic.'

Kae says, 'yep'

Elisa says, 'trees are believe to exits. Can I be a tree?'

Chaykin giggles at Elisa.

Kae says, 'if you sit very still :p'

Thundarr says to Elisa, 'sure play everquest'

Thundarr grins evilly.

LadyAce says, 'the gods and goddesses are what I expected to be more controversial'

Thundarr says, 'druids get treeform!'

Elisa holds out her arms.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Neil'll never find you if you're a tree.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'does anyone have comments about that topic? Otherwise I'll go to the next hand.'

Dashiva says, 'I understand gods and goddesses'

Kingfisher says, 'Gods are part of any historical setting, I would say. Gods were quite real to people at all times, just like magic was an undeniable fact a few hundred years ago. It fits well with a historical setting.gtell Gods are part of any histo'

Thundarr says to LadyAce, 'gods and goddesses should never have been allowed'

Chaykin says, 'I don't think there are that many gods really, are there? who's the God of Destruction dude? that's the only one I can think of'

Thundarr shrugs philosophically.

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'That, and Gondar.'

LadyAce says, 'I found about 10 or 12'

Quimby says, 'i dont think it should be allowed gods in human form and the like'

Kae says, 'fraegis, santina come to mind'

Chaykin says, 'oh yeah, Gondar, but he's gone'

Chaykin says, 'Nemesis too'

Chaykin looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'I think the problem I have with gods is that it's very difficult to really make the 'in human form' case, in my mind.'

Chaykin says, 'okay so there are a lot'

Chaykin giggles.

Kaige says, 'the point with not allowing the gods and goddesses is that everyone in the end has the same potential for abilities... no one is that much above the rest'

Thundarr nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Elisa says, 'I think in Santina's it is meant to be goddess as in a really beautiful woman. Not a deity'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'you've got two cases I can think of -- Jesus and the Greeks'

Kae says, 'if we allow goddesses, she'll have to explain that a LOT'

Thundarr says, 'i would say goddess-like would be ok'

Thundarr says, 'but not Goddess of XXXX'

LadyAce says, 'or with the beauty of a goddess'

Chaykin says, 'I think you should let people keep them, but if they remake, don't let them carry over'

Elisa says, 'I have a comment...'

Kae says, 'well, we could go with the avatar-with-only-human-abilities'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Elisa.

Thundarr snickers softly.

Dashiva snickers softly.

Elisa says, 'I think that the wording of the new helpfile encourages people to have these RPs. To me, I don't think having a desc of a god/goddess is the problem. The problem is the rp'

Elisa says, 'people will find whatever they can to allude to being it, within the rules of the descs'

LadyAce says, 'from our perspective, though, the desc is what we legislate. the rp is the player's prerogative'

LadyAce says, 'I can try to reword it to be less tempting I guess :)'

Dashiva says, 'what about kender, they're built like human children'

Dashiva grins evilly.

Elisa nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Israfel laughs softly in response to Dashiva's words.

Kaige pokes Dashiva in the ribs.

Chaykin says, 'I think these things go in cycles'

Cirus whimpers softly.

Cirus blinks.

LadyAce says, 'we don't have a lot of gods and goddesses, but the few we have seem to stick out a bit.'

Kae is personally very much against legalizing such as vampires, elves, ghosts, demons, etc.

Chaykin says, 'people have a lot of wacky god and vampire and dwarf RPs for a couple years, then they get sick of it and you see more plain humans'

Cirus says, 'Blah, the i key is to close to the o :P'

LadyAce says, 'so that's why they keep coming up.'

LadyAce says, 'we've got about 12 atm.'

LadyAce says, 'not many in the grand scheme.'

LadyAce says to BlackBird, 'you should have that I capitalized :)'

Chaykin says, 'heh I was just thinking that'

BlackBird says, '?'

Elisa says, 'now to try to rp a ghost would be interesting. You'd have to never die.'

Kae says, 'sure, but your desc would have to hint it, not say a ghost is here.'

Kae says, 'a pale woman, a shade of himself, etc.'

Quimby nods solemnly.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Hints are alright, then, but outright is not?'

BlackBird says, 'what I?'

Quimby says, 'was just gonna say a shade of his former self'

Kae says, 'that's *my* view, yeah'

Chaykin says to BlackBird, 'oh, sombody did it for you already'

Quimby says, 'what abotu a pale ghostly figure?'

BlackBird nods solemnly.

Chaykin says to BlackBird, 'the I in Inuit in your short'

Dashiva laughs with amusement.

BlackBird says, 'tanks'

Elisa says, 'well, in many ghost stories, people claim they saw a person plain as day, and later learn that person wasn't there, or died long ago'

BlackBird nods solemnly.

Kae says, 'you can be ghostly or ghastly without being dead'

Elisa looks up into the sky and ponders.

Quimby nods solemnly.

Kae nods her agreement with Elisa.

Chaykin saw one once.

Quimby mumbles quietly to himself

Lilian waves hello to the world!

LadyAce says, 'ok, did we cover that one then?'

Chaykin waves a welcome to Lilian. Hello!

LadyAce points at Israfel.

Quimby pats Lilian on the head.

Elisa says, 'A child in a bedsheet scampers around, making funny groaning sounds.'

BlackBird nods his agreement with Lilian.

Israfel flashes Lilian a rakish grin.

Muad'Dib says, 'I would disagree to the grandfathering of old description, not only would it be misleading to newer players, it would also grant people who's been here right to do something new players can't'

Kae giggles at Elisa.

Lilian says, 'what have I missed? Sorry, had to fix the photocopier'

Elisa nods her agreement with Muad'Dib.

LadyAce says to Muad'Dib, 'the precedent is pretty strongly set to grandfather them in -- as much as I can sympathize with both sides...it's like the old eq debate'

Quimby says, 'ok ladyace knows about claras desc and it was explained to me but if i perma her can i get that same desc back or do i need to go through the whole process all over again with these new changes?'

Kae says to Quimby, 'she the angelic woman?'

LadyAce says, 'people build up an identity and an attachment to things and we don't really want to tamper with that too much'

Kaige says, 'Clara Barton?'

Lilian says, 'an angel of mercy'

Quimby says, 'angel of mercy'

Elisa says, 'angel of mercy'

Chaykin says, 'it's a tough debate. I'm against grandfathering descs, but for grandfathering eq...it's not a very black and white issue'

Dashiva says, 'pwipe'

Dashiva nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Elisa goes EEK! at Dashiva in distress - isn't Dashiva an awful person for teasing?

Kae says, 'I would probably attempt to help you come up with something very close, but not questionable myself'

Chaykin stomps on Dashiva's toes.

BlackBird says, 'what mean grandfathering desc?'

LadyAce says, 'the angel of the battlefield is what they called her'

Kae says, 'like, a veritable angel of mercy'

Muad'Dib says, 'I'm personally against grandfathering eq as well. same issue if you ask me'

Chaykin says to BlackBird, 'meaning changing the descs of existing players, whose descs are no longer legal under the new rules'

Dashiva says to Kae, 'you know this would be a great time for you to show people your desc maker'

Quimby says, 'but it also has historical background to it as well she was called both'

Kae says to Dashiva, 'people know where it's at :)'

Chaykin says to BlackBird, 'as opposed to only enforcing it with new descs'

LadyAce says, 'grandfather = let old descs stand'

Muad'Dib nods his agreement with Dashiva.

BlackBird says, 'ohh, me see'

Quimby says, 'its hard to explain how she became a doctor thought :P'

BlackBird nods solemnly.

Kaige points to the websites command where's it's listed at the bottom.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Not quite the same. My attachment to eq is the gaming side, my attachment to what things are called is the...non-gaming side?'

Israfel says, 'Of course, that's just me,' in a musical, silver-edged voice.

Lorenzo says to BlackBird, 'grandfathering means making special cases or exceptions for situatations that exist at the time of a change in policy'

BlackBird says, 'me tink dat it bad if u start changen desc from ol playars, cause trouble wit dem'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Riven screams loudly!

LadyAce says to Israfel, 'yeah, and we have a kinder heart when it comes to things like existing/old RPs...'

Israfel smiles at LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'which makes it even tougher'

Kae says to BlackBird, 'we're ooc, you can speak understandable :)'

Chaykin says, 'that's why I feel the way I do about it'

Lilian says, 'I see nothing wrong with that. But, has thought been given to being a bit more lenient on metaphorical descs?'

BlackBird says, 'ohh right, I keep forgetting about ic, ooc'

Quimby says, 'he did clean your ears out :P'

Haley giggles.

Quimby tickles Kae.

Lilian says, 'I knew I had a fit when I saw an angel of mercy coz I wasn't allowed an evil bitch, but I don't think it should be changed once it's already been approved'

Quimby says, 'your an evil dog?'

LadyAce says, 'well, I don't think we'll ever let that one into the game'

BlackBird laughs at Lilian.

Kae says, 'I would probably ask a re-made Clara to attach 'veritable' or 'legendary''

Lilian says, 'which is what I mean about metaphorical descs'

Kaige says to Lilian, 'well one's a lot more polite than the other too'

Quimby says, 'if i can't be grumpy old bastard you can't be an evil old bitch even though you are one.'

Ea! finishes writing on a small piece of paper from Ea!.

Lilian says, 'not many people would see 'an evil bitch' and think oooh there goes an evil dog'

Chaykin says to Kae, 'or even just add quotes around it'

Lilian says, 'I know, I'm just using it as an example'

Quimby says, 'i know'

LadyAce says, 'there's a lot of metaphorical stuff possible with your strings and look-at desc.'

Kae says to Chaykin, 'that too'

LadyAce says, 'but I really discourage us from going down that road'

Quimby says, 'then i can get a grumpy old bastard string :P'

LadyAce says, 'descs must describe'

Lilian says, 'yeah but how damn hard is it to get coupons!'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Those descs that I find somewhat odd are those that are well...Those that say someone is here riding on a black horse...sitting on the couch"?'

LadyAce says, 'they shouldn't look like socials or clouds of dust.'

Lorenzo says, 'personally, I'm a little bothered by any description that characterizes more than it describes.'

Quimby says, 'i couldn't find a way to translate it into spanish so i stuck with quimby power'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Short descs, that is.'

LadyAce says, 'I think we pulled the horse one, the couch one I haven't heard'

Kae says, 'short descs generally shan't include actions'

Israfel shakes his head.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'When they sit.'

Israfel laughs softly.

BlackBird says, 'heh, im quite proud of this desc'

Elisa says, 'I dislike short descs with the word 'beauty''

BlackBird struts proudly.

Lilian nods her agreement with Elisa.

Quimby says, 'so the one i asked you about, the one with the archmage stangind here talking to the trees or something wouldn't be approved?'

Lilian says, 'too many of them'

Chaykin says, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'

Kae says to Quimby, 'yeah, because the short wouldn't include the trees'

Elisa nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Dashiva says to Chaykin, 'only ugly people say that'

Lilian snickers at Chaykin nastily.

LadyAce says, 'there aren't going to be trees everywhere.'

Dashiva attempts to take cover.

Elisa whaps Dashiva across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Quimby says, 'what if it said something about mumbling to himself'

BlackBird laughs with amusement.

Chaykin says to Dashiva, 'er...um...'

Dashiva says, 'hehe'

Quimby says, 'or i guess it would have to be talking aloud'

LadyAce says, 'I think there's a level where you don't want to enforce an interpretation on someone'

Kaige says, 'I think one of the things everyone seems to be asking is that the bar be raised on the quality of descriptions... the ones that are getting shot down are the easy ones that don't take a lot of creativity or thouhgt'

Chaykin says to Dashiva, 'uh...that's not true!'

LadyAce says, 'and there's a level where you do have to be subjective.'

Chaykin nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Dashiva giggles at Chaykin.

Kae nods solemnly.

Israfel laughs softly.

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'Sexy ninja chick!'

Kaige says, 'but as an imm who has been asked to register descriptions, a lot of people out there aren't up to the task at first either.'

Dashiva says, 'she's funny'

BlackBird says, 'I usually have to sit down with an imm and get it all straight to be honest'

Kae says, 'well, we might add a line to the helpfile that it's legal and encouraged to ask an imm for feedback on your idea'

LadyAce says, 'I usually find that I spend a good amount of time working with people individually to make their desc really good'

Elisa says, 'refer them to me. I like doing descs'

Kae nods her agreement with LadyAce.

BlackBird says, 'but I have done only two descriptions, so...'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Elisa.

Chaykin says, 'I love doing em'

LadyAce says, 'usually a half hour to an hour each'

Muad'Dib says, 'while you are at the whole deal with descriptions that state you are gods/non-human, have you considered the same with names?'

Lilian nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Lilian says to LadyAce, 'you've always pretty much given me the desc I asked for'

Chaykin says, 'and hey, 2 of the ones I did were nominated for best desc this year'

Dashiva says, 'I knew it would go to names'

Lilian smiles happily.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chaykin's head.

Elisa cheers for Chaykin - huzzah!

Chaykin says, 'too bad neither of them were mine'

Chaykin giggles.

LadyAce says to Lilian, 'you didn't ever try to describe yourself as a blob of tofu'

Israfel laughs with amusement.

Elisa gets '99 Expie for Best Player Description, engraved Elisa from an large teal velvet satchel.

Elisa gives a quick polish to '99 Expie for Best Player Description, engraved Elisa. It now shines brightly.

Lilian rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Israfel grins evilly at LadyAce.. wonder what he's thinking...

Kaige says, 'you could nix that on the gross out rule'

Kaige snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'you think I'm kidding :P'

Israfel peers at LadyAce, looking her up and down.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'You aren't?'

Lilian says, 'the best one I have is the Shadow Dweller'

Lilian says, 'oh and a man-eating murderess'

LadyAce giggles.

Elisa says, 'there is a gross out rule?'

Israfel makes a face.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Occasionally.'

Marcel's just quite happy we're not outlawing RPing nonhuman, even if in human form -- seeing as he's not human at all.

Lilian grins evilly.

Kaige says, 'we often pull that out when people try for zombies that are really just too graphically gross.'

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'Love stands here, her eyes sewn shut and her heart torn from her breast.'

Israfel laughs softly.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'I think I got a gross out ruling.'

Lilian says, 'that's nice'

Israfel sniffs sadly.

Lilian throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

Quimby says, 'lets outlaw rping nonhuman so marcel goes away'

Lilian says, 'damn'

Kae says, 'not to mention the 'read the goddamn helpfile' rule that Haley had to enforce yesterday'

Kae winks suggestively at Haley.

Lilian comforts Israfel.

Israfel can understand that though, so no complaints.

Haley scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Lilian nods solemnly.

Elisa tickles Haley.

Haley says to Kae, 'that wasnt even funny'

Haley chuckles politely.

Lilian says, 'I've had billions of newbies lately persistently hassle me for info and help'

Kae says, 'I thought it was, in a really tragic way'

Haley giggles at Kae.

Lilian says, 'or maybe it's just the same one in different chars'

Chaykin says, 'that's another thing that seems to happen in cycles'

Chaykin says, 'randomly one month, like a billion annoying newbies show up'

Kingfisher says, 'What about descs like 'Lord of air and darkness'...Does that fall under a 'human' category? Doesn't sound all that human, I would say, though I like the desc.'

Israfel flashes Kingfisher a rakish grin.

Kae says, 'I would consider it human, he could be a mage'

LadyAce says, 'it's not a problem, no'

BlackBird says, 'the lord part does'

Lilian says, 'it could be a human with powerful magicks'

Dashiva says, 'him!'

LadyAce says, 'I think if you declare yourself to be something non human, that's where we have a problem'

Dashiva says, 'pointy eared!'

Kae says, 'in the desc, that is'

Kae nods to herself - she must be getting senile.

Chaykin says, 'here's a question...what about a desc like 'A God in his own mind'?'

Lilian looks up into the sky and ponders.

Israfel laughs softly.

Kae says, 'I would allow that one'

BlackBird says, 'ive seen rl humans with point ears'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'I like that one.'

LadyAce says, 'I wouldn't allow it, no'

Dashiva says, 'the word "god" shouldnt be banned =P'

Lilian says, 'sort of doesn't seem fair though to make everyone play humans. This mud is based on history as the people of the times saw it'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'really?'

Elisa says, 'or 'God's gift to women''

LadyAce says, 'it doesn't describe what you look like'

Quimby nods solemnly.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'well, true, but lots of people's don't'

Lilian says, 'so how do we know vampires, faeries, etc didn't exist? why can't players play them and have descs to suit?'

Kae says, 'well, assuming that that part got fixed, yes'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'it needs to describe some kind of appearance.'

Dashiva says, 'who was the pixie that dragged the giant dert bag'

Muad'Dib says, 'ael'

Elisa says to Lilian, 'because we are supposed to all be on an equal footing'

Marcel says, 'she was pixie-like, I think'

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'Ah! One I have a question about! A cute little dead girl...will that still be allowed?'

LadyAce says, 'a dark-haired cutie stands before you, grinning as if he believes himself a god.'

LadyAce says, 'or something'

Marcel says, 'just as Cymo is nymphean, not a nymph'

Quimby says, 'and i say if they don't exist then they shouldn't exist int eh world, cause its thru the eyes as the people of their times saw things'

Dashiva says, 'a cute little dead girl is human!'

Chaykin says, 'that's an interesting question too'

LadyAce says, 'that one was considered a mistake after I did it, and I've never lived it down.'

LadyAce chuckles politely.

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'Just checking.'

LadyAce says, 'so I wouldn't do it again'

Israfel comforts LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'poor Lenore'

LadyAce says, 'the whole staff has hits and misses when we do them'

Elisa says, 'I like Lenore's desc'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'she can't walk by LadyAce without drawing a grimace, imagine it'

LadyAce says, 'we miss something that's obvious to everyone else, somtimes :P'

Chaykin giggles.

LadyAce says, 'not Lenore's fault.'

LadyAce says, 'I did the desc without so much as a blink. All me.'

Lilian grins evilly.

Israfel says, 'So well but is that sort of thing going to be somewhat harder to get...,' in a musical, silver-edged voice.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, '?'

LadyAce says, 'will we make fewer mistakes?'

Israfel will make a cute little dead boy!

LadyAce says, 'probably not.'

Quimby says, 'past history speaks for itself on that'

Lilian says, 'it's such a shame. Some people have written some fantastic descs that weren't allowed coz they were too metaphorical. oh well'

LadyAce says, 'I'm hoping we'll have better rules to go by, and do what we can to follow them.'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'No I meant...is that going to be encouraged as a theme. Apologies for not being clear on the question.'

Kae will keep her demonic alt and her vampire alt and her elf alt, cuz their descs are all human.

LadyAce says, 'is 'descs must describe' going to be our mantra, you mean?'

Kae says, 'me? yes'

Lilian says, 'is mine OK?'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Something like that. Cute little dead girl is very descriptive. =).'

Lilian peers at herself myopically.

Frenchy curtseys gracefully.

Frenchy smiles happily.

Lilian says to Israfel, 'I love that desc'

Frenchy says, 'which one?'

Lilian says, 'Grumpy old bastard would have been an excellent desc too'

Kingfisher says, 'On a little side note : Descs with foreign language in them was allowed earlier, but Sandra wrote something about them not being legal. Are they legal or not?'

Frenchy nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'her long desc is great too. The formaldehyde smell'

Lilian says to Frenchy, 'cute little dead girl'

LadyAce says, 'I think that we've always had the 'must describe you' rule. But lately we've gotten *a lot* of desc requests that try to enforce an interpretation'

Kae says, 'they are not legal.'

Kae says, 'anymore.'

Kingfisher nods his agreement with Kae.

Elisa says, 'I think that there are so many chars at this point, that a lot of people have to work hard to make their descs stand out'

Lilian nods solemnly.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Elisa.

Dashiva says, 'yea'

Israfel looks up into the sky and ponders.

Chaykin says, 'that's for sure'

Kae says, 'obviously'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'If you know the person you should remember the desc?'

Lilian says, 'they're starting to sound similar'

Israfel shrugs eloquently.

LadyAce says, 'I think they're trying to do it in the wrong way'

Lilian says, 'I confuse people all the time'

Elisa says, 'and sometimes that is by being non-human or metaphorical'

Myrella blinks.

Lilian grins evilly.

LadyAce says, 'at least we're not as badly infected with dark figures these days as we once were :P'

Elisa nods her agreement with Lilian.

Israfel sniffs sadly at LadyAce.

Israfel mourns his own inadequacies - you feel sorry for him.

BlackBird says, 'I have never seen another inuit desc myself :p'

LadyAce says, 'I think it just takes a bit larger vocabulary and a little more effort.'

Kaige says, 'or beautiful blonde chicks'

Lilian says, 'the trick I suppose is to write it in such a way as to say what YOU really want it to without actually going over the non-human thing'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chaykin's head.

Lilian says, 'like BlackWidow's long desc.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Lilian's head.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Those are actually fun if you do it in the spirit of welll, knowing it;s a stereotype.'

Chaykin waves a welcome to Lenore. Hello!

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'The blonde chicks, that is.'

Chaykin comforts LadyAce.

Lenore smiles happily.

Chaykin covers LadyAce's eyes with his hands - she's too young to watch!

Elisa giggles.

Lilian pets Lenore lovingly.

Kaige says to Israfel, 'Yeah, but not just changing nationality =)'

Frenchy snickers softly.

Frenchy points proudly at herself.

Israfel laughs softly in response to Kaige's words.

Character Names Discussion

Kae says, 'you know what I'd like? If people could use names that mobs already are using, we're running out of 'regular' names'

Kae ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'oh, that's no problem.'

Israfel nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Kae, 'you use _mset at load'

BlackBird says, 'I wanted to make bob, but I couldn't, whats up with that'

Quimby says, 'im mad at ladyace cause she stole 4 names i used to use and i cant use em no more'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'You can make Bob' =/'

Kae says to LadyAce, 'well, that needs changed mudwide, then -- go try to get a regular spanish name ;)'

Lilian says, 'will there ever be a rule to stop newbies making chars with stupid names?'

LadyAce says to Quimby, 'you need only ask.'

Lilian hides.

LadyAce says to Lilian, 'Not likely.'

Elisa says to Lilian, 'I wish'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Stupid names do not exclude the possibility of highly effective RP.'

Lilian says, 'such as Big_Guppy, Mega_Guppy,etc'

BlackBird says, 'putang is just bad and should be deleted'

Lilian throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ea! says, 'Well, the problem with players having the same name as mobs is that sometimes it leads to bad side effects.'

Israfel says, 'And besides, stupid names are fun,' in a musical, silver-edged voice.

Israfel nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'Like the player accidentally being slain instead of the mob.'

Frenchy nods her agreement with Ea!.

Quimby says, 'no some i find really bad'

Kae says to Ea!, 'yeah, I know, but we should probably try to come up with a solution in the long run'

Riven screams loudly!

Lilian says to Israfel, 'not when they destroy RP'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'not if we do the right thing with the acts :P'

Ea! says, 'Or, more commonly, the player getting lots of mistells.'

Quimby says, 'and i wont hesitate to make fun of you either'

Lilian sighs loudly.

Israfel gives an eloquent shrug in response to Lilian's words.

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Kae says to Ea!, 'well, if someone wants to be Jim and get all Big Jim's tells, that's sort of that someone's problem'

LadyAce says, 'big jim shouldn't be getting any tells :)'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'I know you guys don't want to do name approval...but what about at least adding a message at name creation, discouraging the silly names and encouraging people to come up with something that goes with the mud's theme?'

Lenore attempts to prod Dashiva but Dashiva isn't about to go anywhere.

Elisa says, 'nobody ever sends Eliza the urchin tells :('

Kae says, 'people do tell to mobs'

Dashiva sinks his teeth into Lenore's flesh.

Frenchy says, 'why in the heck do you want to be Bob. Hi Im bob, and my description wiill be along.'

Kaige says to Kae, 'you have enough trouble with doppels and keywords'

Frenchy says, 'get it, hehe, bob along?'

LadyAce says to Kae, 'we can make them stop, is what I mean.'

Kaige tickles Kae.

Kae giggles.

Kae will never get that right.

BlackBird says, 'bob is a cool name! dont dis the bob!'

Quimby says, 'i can't see anyone walking around the world with the name doofie, or archmage or nothing'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'we can do that, I spose. Of course, we also echo the rules at startup'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'yeah, but I mean right after they type in a name'

Quimby says, 'but then again its harder to get a decent name'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'like, as part of the name confirmation'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'what about right before?'

Lilian sighs loudly.

BlackBird says, 'people think my name is dumb, but when u look at my rp, it makes sense'

Quimby says, 'you all should go thru what is banned too if its over 3 years old whats the chances that person will ever come back'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Just please, don't make us register with e-mail.'

Israfel nods his agreement with BlackBird.

Muad'Dib honestly don't get why non-human descs are allowed, but non-human names are.

LadyAce says, 'well, what I mean is, they don't pay attention to the rules really :)'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'something like "We discourage names like PantsManRalph and prefer names that fit our theme, are you sure your name does this?'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'it might help'

Dashiva says, 'yea register with e-mail would be bad'

Lilian nods her agreement with Muad'Dib.

Kae says, 'ugh'

LadyAce giggles at Chaykin.

Lilian nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Dashiva says, 'it wouldnt work'

Dashiva says, 'but it's a a nice thought'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'Hey, no dissing WolfManDan. He's k00l.'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'not a new rule or enforcement...just something to try to guide people'

Lilian says, 'it works on other muds'

LadyAce says to Muad'Dib, 'we draw as steady of a line as we can between what is imm-determined and what is player-determined'

Frenchy laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says to Muad'Dib, 'trying to accomodate both freedom and integrity'

Chaykin says, 'instead of just the simple "Are you sure?" message when they put in their name'

BlackBird nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'I think it might at least help'

Dashiva says, 'I want a char named pantsmanralph now'

Lilian says, 'whatever happened to Wrecked'm'

Dashiva looks up into the sky and ponders.

Dashiva says, 'drunkdriver!'

Frenchy laughs at Dashiva.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'I think he got changed.'

BlackBird says, 'a message that says something like, we encourage rp and just want to make sure that your name fits with a theme of this mud'

Lilian snickers at Dashiva nastily.

Muad'Dib says to LadyAce, 'still, everyone will -know- that "a dark man with dark runes on his chest" is SatanDevilXXI'

Lilian nods her agreement with Israfel.

Chaykin nods his agreement with BlackBird.

Quimby says, 'also people making newbies to archive a name i think is bad form too'

Israfel rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Muad'Dib says, 'which is -very- human'

Muad'Dib shrugs helplessly.

Israfel likes that.

Lilian scuffles dirt onto Quimby's shoes.

Frenchy snickers softly.

Lilian says, 'I've done that.'

Frenchy shakes her head.

Frenchy says, 'thats ridiculous'

Dashiva says, 'archive should be lvl 25 and above, stop people from making alts to hoard gear that might get changed and names =P'

Marcel still wants to make Red666Guest.

Lilian says, 'coz I didn't want someone else to play Hel or Freyja'

Quimby says, 'maybe make archive option at level 20'

Lilian says, 'coz they were my chars.'

Dashiva grins evilly at Marcel.. wonder what he's thinking...

Lorenzo says to Quimby, 'I'll sell you my mud-squatter newbie name for 1.1 million gold.'

Kae says, 'some people never reach level 25 at all and still play for years, tho'

Frenchy says, 'how about SeIf?'

LadyAce says, 'well, put it in on idea and we can discuss it on our lists, or put it up on discussion.'

Lenore nods her agreement with Kae.

Dashiva says, 'Hp'

Lilian is almost 50 for the 2nd time in 4 years.

Lilian grins evilly.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'okie'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Lenore's head.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Self-archival at level 20+, archival by imms at any level?'

Quimby says, 'in other words clean out the archives'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'I think I'd be a bit more chary of archiving someone, speaking to an imm for it if all I am is a herne's horn holder.'

Israfel nods solemnly.

Frenchy says to Quimby, 'why clean out the archives?'

Frenchy says to Quimby, 'I have a few low levels in there, but I intend to workj on them at some point.'

Override PKClan Accepts?

BlackBird says, 'okay, please bear with me on this'

BlackBird says, 'could there be a seperate command that allows pkillers who are in pkill clans to reject the clans that have been accepted by the gm for a period of time'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Where's GM trust, then?'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Trust in the GM, that is.'

Lilian raises her eyebrow at BlackBird.

BlackBird says, 'it has nothing to do with gm trust'

Lilian says to BlackBird, 'do you have a problem with any of the clans I've accepted?'

LadyAce says, 'the idea is that rp clans do that, and pk clans require a gm'

Lilian says to BlackBird, 'just tell me'

LadyAce says, 'because that way you can have clan wars'

BlackBird says, 'it has to do with me going reject all today and getting whacked'

Lilian looks up into the sky and ponders.

Marcel says, 'don't be in a pkill clan is the answer to that...'

Dashiva says, 'dont join a pk clan if you dont want to get whacked?'

Dashiva snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'and trust that your opponent will not be able to say 'no tag backs' :)'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Dashiva.

Chaykin says, 'that's a tradeoff with joining a pk clan'

Lilian says, 'that's the whole point of being in a PK clan'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'although I do think it's a problem that there is no tradeoff to being in an RP clan'

Frenchy says, 'to whack or be whacked, that is the question'

Lilian says, 'I took the clan off AA because of another gripe that I have, if I'm allowed to speak about it later'

Frenchy says, 'to whack I say!'

LadyAce says, 'well, you don't have access to that gm-based-pk-trust.'

Frenchy blushes bright red.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'yeah, but that's easily lived without'

Santina smirks at Frenchy.

BlackBird says, 'its nothing to do with trust, I just thought reject all, should do just that, reject all'

LadyAce says, 'depends who you are :)'

BlackBird says, 'not reject all those who are not in a clan only'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'It's just that...I feel somehow that GM should mean more than Main Clan Rent Earner.'

Israfel laughs softly.

Frenchy says, 'why?'

Lilian says, 'if the GM has clan accepted another clan, can individual members reject that clan?'

Marcel says, 'I dare say it should'

Lilian says, 'obviously not'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Israfel.

Lilian looks up into the sky and ponders.

Frenchy says, 'are you more worried about your clan than your enemies?'

Frenchy says, 'maybe the clan are really the enemies?'

LadyAce says, 'pkclans are designed to override your accepts. Essentially you must follow your GM's rules, is the idea'

Israfel nods his agreement with LadyAce.

BlackBird shrugs helplessly.

Frenchy nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Dashiva rests.

Lilian pets BlackBird lovingly.

Marcel tips his hat gallantly.

Lilian says, 'DE have accepted all pk clans, to make it more in the spirit of old pk'

BlackBird says, 'well, that was my grief, ill go kill someone now then'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Lilian.

BlackBird waves happily.

LadyAce smiles at BlackBird.

Lilian says, 'what I object to is when your clan is AA, you're grouped with a clanmate and someone attacks them'

Lilian says, 'but you can't defend your clanmate coz the attacker isn't AA and hasn't accepted you'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Lilian.

Lilian says, 'it's not fair'

Chaykin says to Lilian, 'I've had that problem'

Lilian says, 'I think only other AA should be able to attack AA'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, there's a discussion board thread about that particular topic'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'I had an odd idea concerning pkok.'

Lilian nods her agreement with Elisa.

LadyAce says, 'in general, at this point, our coding staff is not interested in making any further code changes to pkok.'

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'I'm not sure how well it'd work, but...well it could be interesting?'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Might just listen?'

Lilian rolls her eyes heavenward.

Frenchy cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

LadyAce says, 'so I'm not sure how far it'd go.'

Israfel looks hopeful.

Muad'Dib grumbles to Dashiva.

Myrella says, 'AA is fine the way it is'

Myrella shrugs philosophically.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'I did think it was good or I wouldn't be spamming you with it. =) Of course everyone thinks their idea is good so...'

Lilian says, 'no it's not'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'It at least hasn't been said before though.'

LadyAce says, 'I think that sounds fine, it certainly wouldn't hurt'

Lilian says, 'coz it gives people who are too cowardly to go AA an advantage over the AA people'

LadyAce says, 'the other option would be to run a mailing list on the topic'

Myrella says to Lilian, 'yes thats true in a way'

Roleplaying Board?

Elisa says, 'ok, I have this idea--hopefully it will encourage more RP'

Elisa says, 'to have a room in ooc, kinda like the war room. But for RP'

Elisa says, 'we could have a board, to report rp encounters casually, and discuss RP ooc'

Chaykin says to Elisa, 'I like that idea'

Chaykin says, 'you could do RP discussion, planning and stuff on the RP board'

Chaykin says, 'and it could increase awareness of it'

Elisa says, 'the motd often says if you see RP going on, report it! but nobody does. This would be a place to do so'

Chaykin says to Elisa, 'You should idea that'

Lilian says to Elisa, 'that's a good idea'

LadyAce says, 'I do get reports of 'observed' rp sometimes'

LadyAce says, 'but most of the time, people want to report their rp in their own way'

Lilian says to Elisa, 'it's a shame that since people can now have more than one char in a clan RP has almost totally died'

Myrella says, 'RP exists?'

Myrella smirks.

LadyAce says, 'they don't like someone else speaking for them, and end up either telling me not to print it or rewrite it'

Greg says, 'is there a criteria for roleplaying? i mean, does it have to be related to something in particular?'

Chaykin says, 'I think a room and a board of its own would maybe help encourage those who don't, to try it'

Lilian says, 'too many chars spread over too many clans'

Elisa says, 'I think that a lot of rp going on doesn't get recognized'

Greg says, 'Because i roleplay a paintball fanatic'

Lilian nods her agreement with Elisa.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Elisa.

LadyAce says to Greg, 'no, you can rp whatever you like. we do encourage something which will let you interact with others'

Greg nods solemnly.

Lilian says, 'or people start throwing guppy in your face when you try to do it'

Lilian grumbles.

Myrella comforts Lilian.

Elisa giggles at Lilian.

Chaykin says to Lilian, 'well then try something original :P'

Chaykin ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'who else has a question? Please raise your hand to be in queue.'

Myrella says, 'blame the imm that made the fish the Dark Lord :P'

Lilian says, 'tell that to the guppy taunters'

Greg is trying to start a Legend Paintball League...

Kaige says, 'that was actually a mortal... Dusty.'

Redeem to go AA 2nd time?

Israfel says, 'Well, about the pkok. What if the first time you turn on the * it costs you nothing, but if you turn it OFF, to turn it on again you need to redeem,' in a musical, silver-edged voice.

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'Make it something to work for? Something more valuable than the implication of it being a pain that it is now?'

Myrella chuckles politely.

Greg nods his agreement with Israfel.

LadyAce says to Greg, 'I think you may find that a bit too modern :) what's a paintball league doing in sherwood forest?'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'And no more, don't hurt me I'm going to perma.'

Greg shrugs helplessly.

Israfel says, mellifluously, 'First time is a try out, if you turn it off and get + back you have a perma buffer.'

Greg says to LadyAce, 'what about london?'

LadyAce says, 'we want people to be able to use pkok to prevent harassment'

Israfel flops about helplessly.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Precisely, it's just the AA I'm talking about.'

LadyAce says, 'we cannot add barriers to a harassment-prevention measure.'

Ea! says to Israfel, 'You're suggesting that it require a redeem to accept all?'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'To turn of aa totally is free.'

Ea! says, 'After the first time out?'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'to turn it ON again the second time..'

Israfel nods his agreement with Ea!.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Precisely that =).'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'only to turn it on a second time'

LadyAce says, 'AAs have the same right to protect themselves, and continue to use the pkok feature, as anyone else'

Myrella says, 'Then how would I archive after I've gone AA then waitied out the timer?'

Myrella wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Ea! says, 'the problem is, there are a lot of people who like being accept all, but want to turn it off just long enough to go on a SL run or whatnot...'

Israfel laughs softly.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Ah well, I suppose I don't understand those. =)'

Israfel nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'then they end up being discouraged from being AA.'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'which is why we're always hearing there's no commitment to it'

LadyAce says, 'does there need to be commitment to AA?'

Kaige shrugs helplessly.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'I think there does.'

Israfel flops about helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'I mean, I understand that some people are, and some people want other people to commit'

Kaige says, 'I'm just saying that's what we hear a lot.'

Chaykin says, 'I think there should be'

Myrella says, 'I'd never pk again if aa required a redemption point to remove'

Israfel shakes his head.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'NO.'

Chaykin says, 'I think there should at least be the -option- of committing to it'

Kaige says to Myrella, 'not to remove.'

Kaige says, 'only to turn on a second time after turning it off'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'To get AA _back_ after you remove it.'

Israfel nods his agreement with Kaige.

Myrella says, 'that too'

Dashiva says, 'that's a really diffrent way of looking at it, it's the opposite of redeeming out of pk'

Ea! says, 'If you're accept all and are going on a SL run, I can see thinking it's a matter of being considerate to your group members to un-aa in order to prevent the run from being ruined.'

Israfel nods solemnly.

Israfel grins evilly.

Dashiva says, 'redeem into pk, I like that'

Elisa nods her agreement with Ea!.

Greg nods his agreement with Ea!.

Dashiva says, 'well that too'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Differring opinions. I can see the logic but I don't agree. But that's for most of the mud.'

Israfel laughs softly.

Elisa says, 'I think that SL, PD, and AT should just be made no-pk zones'

Kaige wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Dashiva says, 'eww'

Quimby says, 'i agree'

Dashiva says, 'then I wont be able to help tritoch jump sl'

Kaige says, 'I hate that more than an arbitrary pk switch.'

LadyAce says to Israfel, 'I think it's fine, if you were in my run. But not everyone is ok with that happening on their run.'

Dashiva says, 'I mean'

Israfel nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ea! says, 'the other problem with redeem into pk is that people will treat it just like redeem to leave pk. They'll be harassed over removing their AA since it'll cost so much.'

Myrella says, 'nah everyone in in SL, PD or AT should automativclly become AA'

Myrella snickers softly.

Israfel blinks.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Interesting.'

Israfel can see that.

Prizes & Mort Run Games?

Chaykin says, 'I really like running games and I'd like to run CTS more often, but the trouble is, I don't have the prizes to run it a lot. I know I don't HAVE to have them, but I don't like running games where there is no real reward. Do you have any suggestions?'

Quimby says, 'people wont play if you dont fork over a coupon'

LadyAce says, 'you could solicit donations'

Elisa says, 'collect donations?'

LadyAce says, 'there are a lot of people out there with rooms full of restringables and coupons and never use them'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Siachet seems to do quite well with that. =)'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Myrella's head.

Lorenzo whistles innocently to himself.

Quimby says, 'who? lets go break into their houses'

LadyAce says, 'and people who have never seen a coupon or string in their lives.'

Frenchy says, 'thats not right.'

ArchAngel laughs with amusement.

Frenchy laughs with amusement.

Chaykin says, 'hrm'

Greg says, 'thats me'

Frenchy nudges Quimby.

Greg grins evilly.

Myrella says, 'Hmm I have 5 coupons....'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think you'd have a lot of trouble getting people to give you stuff'

Myrella shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'give it a try, anyway'

Elisa says, 'I never got coupons or prizes for a long long time, and then suddenly I was inundated with them'

Chaykin says, 'okie'

LadyAce says, 'some people will play games for zips, too, like Chaykin dolls'

Greg chuckles politely.

Chaykin says, 'well, Chay is pretty cute'

ArchAngel says, 'shoot i dont have a string or a coupon yet'

Elisa says, 'oooooo'

LadyAce says, 'since you have to authorize things with your name in them, you can control supply'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Chaykin.

Quimby says, 'i had planned on trivias maybe over the fall to lessen khel's horde but im incertain'

Chaykin giggles at LadyAce.

Greg says, 'im not givin' it away!'

Quimby says, 'uncertain just yet'

Frenchy says to Elisa, 'I'll take a few off your hands and put em to good use'

Lorenzo says to Quimby, 'do it!'

Greg smiles happily.

Frenchy giggles.

ArchAngel laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says to Myrella, 'your turn now.'

Elisa giggles at Frenchy.

Chaykin says to Quimby, 'donate to me!'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'also get your name into the bug lotto a lot, write stuff for the LT for coupons for chances to win better stuff'

Chaykin tugs on Quimby's sleeve imploringly.

Frenchy nods her agreement with Quimby.

Frenchy says, 'and me!'

Quimby says, 'i asked several people to help with a scavenger hunt noone wanted to so i killed that idea'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'I enter the lotto every week, but the stories thing...hehe I have so many ideas I never get around to writing'

Frenchy says to Quimby, 'I will me and Herra had the same idea'

Lorenzo says to Quimby, 'describe?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Quimby says, 'even then i wont have enough prizes to pass out to everyone that teams up'

Quimby says, 'well cept for zandy's flag hunt which dt'd me, i haven't seen a lot of games, though i found 2 flags after the dt :p'

LadyAce says to Quimby, 'there seems to be no shortage of coupons and such out there :P'

Quimby says, 'produce more let me run my chicago trivia next week and maybe noone will win one and you can keep those'

Quimby says, 'not coupons strings'

Quimby says, 'as long as my couopns sit wherever tehy sit im safe if i use one i dt'

Progress on Roots Replacement?

Myrella says, 'I remeber reading on the Q&A logs about a change to create roots, any timeline on new info on this?'

LadyAce says, 'we're still testing that code'

Ea! says, 'It's in testing. Fixed a few bugs on it this week.'

Myrella nods solemnly.

Israfel smiles happily.

Myrella says, 'I trust it wont rely on food anymore?'

Frenchy snickers softly.

Ea! nods solemnly.

Israfel says, 'now it'll be drink'

Israfel ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'that's the idea. not rely on you starving yourself, at any rate'

Kaige ruffles Israfel's hair playfully.

Quimby says, 'but i want it to be unique items and thats hard,'

Israfel grins evilly.

Myrella says, 'thank goodness, I can eat again, or at least cast create food now'

Myrella chuckles politely.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Myrella.

Israfel nods solemnly.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Create food = make food for other people.'

Israfel sniffs sadly.

Myrella says, 'though starving keeps me slim'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Although portion helps a lot.'

Myrella chuckles politely.

Chaykin says to Myrella, 'what I do is just create food, then portion it and eat one every time I'm starving, it keeps me at not-starving-but-able-to-eat-a-lot-of-roots'

Israfel nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Myrella says to Chaykin, 'I'm usually too lazt to bother doing that'

Chaykin says to Myrella, 'actually, me too'

Chaykin giggles.

Coupons give Peronalized Strings

Greg says, 'I never get coupons, so i was wondering...'

Greg says, 'Could i choose what it says?'

Frenchy nods her agreement with Greg.

Myrella nods her agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'if it's a coupon, yes'

Greg nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'try out these helpfiles for fun: help getting coupons, help coupon, help stringrules'

Frenchy says to Greg, 'you've never gotten one?'

Greg bursts into tears.

Frenchy pats Greg on the head.

Elisa comforts Greg.

Color & Mundanes?

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Mundanes! If the mundane item I pick is coloured, does the mundane transfer the colour?'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Nice and simple question for once.'

LadyAce says, 'yes, it does'

Israfel nods solemnly.

Israfel thanks LadyAce heartily.

New Hometown EQ Kudos

Frenchy says to LadyAce, 'this isnt a question, I just wanted to say something.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Frenchy.

Frenchy says, 'I really like the idea of making the hometowns more authetic by re configuring the gear'

Greg nods his agreement with Frenchy.

Elisa nods solemnly.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'What do you mean by re-figuring?'

LadyAce says, 'thank Chaykin & Kaige on that one :) and Ea did the code, so him too I spose'

Frenchy says, 'I think you guys should do more of the areas'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Oh descs, those are lovely. =)'

Frenchy says, 'like Paris for example'

Frenchy gives a quick polish to her halo. It now shines brightly.

Lorenzo chuckles politely at Quimby's feeble witticism.

LadyAce says, 'well, it's not a hometown.'

Elisa says, 'I think it helps newbies feel comfortable too, having things to wear'

Frenchy says, 'I have some good ideas in my beady little head if any builders wanted to tap a fount of knowlegde. :P'

LadyAce says, 'do you mean the mobs rather than the newbies?'

Frenchy nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'you should feel free to use idea to suggest things'

LadyAce says, 'also, if you could wander through quebec and fix the french, we'd be much obliged'

Frenchy nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'we've been told it's awful but we know zero french and can't fix it'

Frenchy says, 'I think I can give it a go'

LadyAce smiles happily.

LadyAce thanks Frenchy heartily.

Mana Cost for Forage?

Quimby steps on his soapbox

Quimby says, 'whats with this damn foraging lately i know its builder specific, but i foraged carnival rubbish earlier'

Quimby says, 'and tara really should be changed 5 forages to even fill you'

Elisa says, 'carni is the best place to forage'

LadyAce says, 'go rustling around in the dirt for food, and that's what you get :P'

Quimby says, 'i waste 125 mana to feed my self in tara when i can go to orkney and forage a snake or truffle and be full on one'

Ea! says, 'Somewhere on the coder list is to put the mana cost of forage into the hands of the builders and/or to make it based on the fill value. Probably the former.'

Kaige likes the latter better.

LadyAce says, 'well, use idea to suggest the places you think it should be changed, Quimby'

Quimby says, 'even in sl it takes at most 2 to fill you 5 is insane'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Kaige giggles at Ea!.

Quimby says, 'and i dont see why i can't forage up a roast beef sandwhich if i want one'

Elisa says, 'on that same topic, I really like how some areas have special fish and hope you expand that to more areas'

Frenchy laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says, 'fill value is better'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Elisa.

Frenchy says, 'thats ridiculous'

Kaige says, 'we will, it's just slow'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Ah yes, more fruit we can cook!'

Elisa smiles happily.

Frenchy says, 'are you foraging in your beltpack or what?'

Elisa says, 'I like rpoking with rockfish'

Israfel beams delightedly at a peach pie.

LadyAce says to Elisa, 'it'll take some converting, but we'll get there'

Quimby says, 'i made all the mackarels saints you can't kill em'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Elisa's head.

Quests: Changes & Hints

Quimby says, 'oh something that made me mad this week or last weekend'

Quimby says, 'this is for kaige'

Quimby says, 'i bugged it too cause i wasnt sure'

Kaige says, 'uh oh.. good thing I'm back again.'

Quimby says, 'the coral thingy'

Quimby says, 'why are they suddenly immortal'

Frenchy snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'it's the way it was always intended.'

Quimby says, 'oh ok'

Kaige says, 'you weren't supposed to be able to just get it by killing them'

Quimby says, 'really threw me off'

Quimby says, 'so just search'

Kaige says, 'sorry. but I did post that I'd fixed it.'

Quimby says, 'and those damn sharks have to go'

Quimby shudders.

Frenchy laughs with amusement.

Israfel laughs softly.

Kaige says, 'yeah and I need to add a little help in there so you can actually use the search command too'

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Pk special! Operate target run to great white and wait for them to get there!'

Israfel laughs softly.

Kaige says, 'well if you're going after the octopus the sharks should be a picnic'

Israfel likes the sharks.

Israfel hangs his head.

Quimby says, 'i know we are supposed to report these thigns but some of these quests really need better hints'

Quimby says, 'some ive done over and over s i know em by heart'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, use idea for that. It's not going to help us to talk about it here, it needs to go into the files so the builders can see what you have to say'

Quimby says, 'and when something changes it annoys me, esp when i see nothing about the change'

Kaige nods her agreement with Quimby.

Quimby says, 'i think thats wher ei lose the most hair not seeing the coral change anywhere posted'

Quimby says, 'and i checked the area boards'

Kaige says, 'well most of my changes that aren't posted are SUPPOSED to be pretty invisible changes'

Quimby nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'part of it, I think, is that you get used to doing a quest one way, and that may not be the path the builder intended'

LadyAce says, 'like, if you go straight to a mob when you're supposed to talk to someone else to know about that mob'

Quimby nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'if we change who they send you to, or how, you'll miss it because you're skipping a step because you know it by heart'

Quimby says, 'rusalkas tudor quest baffles me cause i don't understand where actaeon comes in'

LadyAce says, 'you shouldn't assume that knowing it by heart means you really know all the hints and tips'

Quimby says, 'none of the main mobs mention it'

LadyAce says, 'maybe you're skipping a step, if you don't know that:)'

Quimby says, 'have no clue its the way i always did it'

Quimby says, 'i think rus explained it me long ago and i just forgot'

Quimby says, 'and why cant we kill queen elizabeth'

Elisa says, 'it is rather annoying when you ask a mob a question, not knowing that there is another step there, and get no response'

Quimby says, 'shes boring'

Frenchy nods her agreement with Elisa.

Dude says, 'heya guys'

Kaige says to Elisa, 'bug it if you get stumped like that'

Elisa waves a welcome to Dude. Hello!

LadyAce says to Elisa, 'we try to think up all the possibilities, but you guys think them up at a much faster rate'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Frenchy cheers wildly!

Elisa says, 'oh, it happens all the time. All it does is tell me there IS a quest there'

LadyAce says, 'well, it won't change without specific comments'

Elisa says, 'ok, I'll try to bug it when it happnes'

Myrella waves happily.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce thanks Elisa heartily.

Kaige says, 'yeah, specific is the best way'

Quimby says, 'i thought we just typed seek clan x again to stop seeking them'

Kaige says, 'used to be seek none'

Quimby says, 'ah'

Change to this Item Coming?

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Will there be a change to the low rent resist pierce item? I like it very much but it...unnerves me.'

Kaige says to Israfel, 'the one in arabia? Yeah, I just haven't decided what I want to do with it and all'

Israfel nods solemnly.

Israfel smiles happily.

Israfel says, his voice darkly musical, 'Just wanted to know, as I said I love it but...'

Israfel laughs softly.

Kaige has been extremely distracted for the past two weeks with diabetes issues at home.

Israfel can see so many evil things to do with it that aren't just between him and that mob over there.

Israfel nods solemnly.

Frenchy goes EEK! at Kaige in distress - isn't Kaige an awful person for teasing?

Frenchy comforts Kaige.

Any New LegendMEET Info?

Quimby says, 'what's going on with the meet?'

LadyAce says to Quimby, 'come to it :) that's what's going on'

LadyAce says, 'I'll have a post in the lt on friday'

Dude says, 'i say we hit six flags'

Dude says, 'cause it looked cool when i drove by'

LadyAce says, 'well, what the post will say is: pizza party at my house at 7pm on Friday! We'll work out a schedule and poll and vote then. Saturday, barbeque, Sunday, we'll probably split into 2 groups'

LadyAce says, 'thanks for coming, all'

LadyAce waves happily.

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