February 8th, 2001

Lower Armslore Prereqs?

Zafira says, 'could the requirements for armslore be lowered so that newbies (the people who really need it) could get?'

Sandra says, 'eh it's already pretty low'

Chaykin says, 'none of my newbies have ever qualified for it'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Zafira says, 'it is something like 30 mind, which disqualifies most fighting types'

Sandra says, 'well, yea you should be smarter than the average brick'

LadyAce says, 'it's something for us to think about, anyway'

Zafira nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'but smarter than you have to be to be a superspiffy fencer?'

Plum2Guest says, 'but fighters would be the ones that would know about weapons and stuff'

Woe says, 'perhaps the mind could be lowered to the same as for advanced weapon skills?'

Sandra says to LadyAce, 'hey, I'm all for a 35 on that =P'

Zafira says to Sandra, 'hey! I am smarter than the average brick...just not those super smart brick prodigies'

Sandra giggles.

Chaykin says, 'I know people RL who are dumb as a brick, yet could tell you the workings of a car backwards and forwards...it's not all about mind'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Sandra says, 'just the little red bricks right?'

Sabotage chuckles politely.

Bricriu nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Zafira says, 'right, but not adobe'

Sandra giggles.

Hp reports: 758/748 hp 507/517 mana 647/721 mv.

Missed Bashes?

MrT says, 'uh yes i would like to know how you miss bashes on people who are paralyzed'

Chaykin says, 'why would you want to do that?'

Chaykin is completely boggled.

Plum2Guest says, 'and backstabs on sleeping people!'

Rahvin says, '5% chance of missing anything'

Hp says, 'well you could trip and fall'

Khelben says, 'sure they didnt add another zero'

Sandra says, 'I think that it takes months and months of practice to be able to miss a bash on a paralyzed person. Some people just can't seem to do it right, but others have perfected it'

Rahvin snickers softly.

Chaykin giggles at Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'everything has a chance to fail in this game'

Sandra giggles.

MrT says, 'okies'

MrT says, 'thanks'

Sandra says, 'sorry, I"m in a silly mood tonight ;)'

Rahvin says to LadyAce, 'everything?'

Khelben says, 'yeah warcry seldom works headbutt never works'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'and under the skill proficiencies, you'll have to practice over and over to be able to miss regularly!'

LadyAce says, 'the messages don't always come out logically, and we can change 'em, but that doesn't change the underlying'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Ea! says, 'think about what bash is -- it's not just a matter of running into someone.'

SkullKrusher says, 'headbutt sucks'

Khelben says, 'now im having fun where spells are failing left and right'

SkullKrusher stomps around.

Woe says, 'warcry rocks'

LadyAce says to Rahvin, 'well, essentially everything'

Khelben says, 'i kick better then i headbutt and warcry'

Ea! says, 'It's a matter of toppling them over. Even if they're paralyzed, you might not actually knock them down.'

SkullKrusher giggles at Khelben.

Chaykin says, 'if you bash you break the paralyze, so that'd be pretty dumb anyway'

Hp nods his agreement with Ea!.

SkullKrusher says, 'headbutt not stunning is what sucks really'

Ea! says, 'Additionally, you might not actually be able to get to them.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Sandra says, 'think of it as luck!'

SkullKrusher says, 'it never stuns it seems'

Ea! says, 'There might be more combat in the area or something else.'

Khelben says, 'stun dont even work'

SkullKrusher says, 'and when it does stun its stuns myself'

Hp says, 'headbutt works fine for me'

Wardley giggles.

Khelben giggles at LadyAce.

Ea! says, 'That's the sort of thing that we know we can model, so to compensate we throw in a random chance of failure.'

Can we have other types of healing tools?

Wardley says, 'can we have other options with healing tools this brain thing has to go'

Khelben says, 'what brain thing?'

Wardley waves a brain extractor.

Woe says, 'brain extractor?'

Sandra says, 'brain thing?'

Sandra says, 'oh'

Chaykin says, 'you could use a scalpel'

Zafira says, 'it would be nice to see more of the tools'

Chaykin shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says to Wardley, 'I'd like more options, too.'

Sandra says, 'there's um, 3 different types of scalpels out there right now that I know of. Feel free to idea more that'd fit into areas'

Hp says, 'brain extractor would have to be pertty sharp like a scalpel to beable to cut threw someones skull'

Woe says, 'I strung my scalpel'

Zafira says, 'maybe even make some with stats, that you could wear'

Wardley says, 'not and change in what it does but its looks'

Zafira says to Hp, 'it goes through the nasals'

LadyAce says, 'right now the code wouldn't let us do that, but it's a good idea'

Hp nods his agreement with Zafira.

Lorenzo says to Wardley, 'String it as a pair of paddles.'

Kaige giggles.

Wardley says to Lorenzo, 'i never get strings'

Dispelling Doppels

SkullKrusher says, 'is there a way we can get to stop ppl from dispeling my doppels, i get a full eqed doppel and someone comes along and dispels if for like NO mana'

Woe goes EEK! at SkullKrusher in distress - isn't SkullKrusher an awful person for teasing?

Khelben says, 'i dont have any so don't ask me'

SkullKrusher says, 'i want immortal doppels'

Chaykin says, 'ick'

SkullKrusher ducks to the ground.

SkullKrusher throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ea! says, 'No, but you might be able to convince us to make the eq. fall to the ground instead of poofing.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

SkullKrusher says to Ea!, 'that would rock'

Ea! says to SkullKrusher, 'Put it on idea?'

SkullKrusher says to Ea!, 'same with demons now? they steal slot of crap all the time'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Ea!.

Lorenzo says to Ea!, 'That could be good, but could also encourage dispelling other people's doppels.'

Tobias says, 'woo!'

Ea! says to Lorenzo, 'It *should* be protected by pkok rules, though I won't swear to it.'

Lorenzo says, 'I don't think it is'

Charms getting HP/MA?MV bounses?

SkullKrusher says, 'are charmies not getting the con bonus or something?'

SkullKrusher says, 'my demons was beefy for a while now it seems to have stopped'

SkullKrusher grumbles.

SkullKrusher says, '600 hp demon was kewl :P'

Tobias grins evilly.

Sandra says, 'how much hp do your demons have now?'

SkullKrusher says, '400'

SkullKrusher says, 'last few days'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'do they get ramdom stats?'

Dude says, 'i kinda noticed that too... i got a 545 titan, then a 534, then a 380'

Sandra says, 'I don't know exactly how it works, honestly'

SkullKrusher says, 'whats up with demons lasting like 1 hour?'

SkullKrusher says, 'cant we make them preserveable or something?'

SkullKrusher says, 'or even timesightable'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says, 'not sure how possible it'd be to be able to timesight? That'd be a cool idea tho'

Kaige says to SkullKrusher, 'I'm not sure if we can tell right now how long they'll last, but we can look into it.'

SkullKrusher says, 'they really need to last a little longer imho'

Sandra says, 'I don't think preserve would work. They're randomly perm/timed on purpose'

Wardley giggles.

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Sandra.

Kaige says, 'I just added some code that we can tell how long a mob has been in the game so maybe we can use that'

SkullKrusher says, 'i understand the need for timed'

Khelben says, 'i think if you play with demons they should turn on you once in a while'

SkullKrusher says, 'but 1 hours isn't alot'

Zafira grins evilly at Khelben.. wonder what she's thinking...

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Kaige.

Furniture Rent in Housing

Tobias says, 'Why does house furniture rent for so ding dang much?'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Tobias.

Tobias says, '1200 bucks a day for a couch is obscene.'

LadyAce says, 'aw, house furniture is free'

Sandra says, 'so people don't carry it around'

Khelben says, 'house furniture isnt supposed to have rent'

Sandra says, 'it rents free in houses'

Tobias says, 'it rents free in houses?'

Tobias says, 'Gah!'

Tobias giggles.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Tobias.

Tobias says, 'Didn't know that.'

Khelben bonks Tobias on the head!

Zafira says, 'rents in your hand, not in the house'

SkullKrusher chuckles politely at Tobias's feeble witticism.

Tobias says, 'The initial rent scared the crap out of me ^_~'

LadyAce says, 'if it's not workin let us know :)'

Tobias nods solemnly.

Tobias says, 'Ah, another question, If I can.'

SkullKrusher scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Khelben says, 'have no way to know there is no break up what we are paying rent for in the house'

High Perc & Seeing Hidden

Kronig says, 'if you have 75 perc plus you can see hidden now?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kronig.

Tobias nods solemnly.

Rahvin says, 'ayup'

Dun says, 'its been that way for awhile'

Requests for more Games

Kronig says, 'and also why arn't there hardly any games run these days'

SkullKrusher giggles.

Zafira says, 'there have been several token rains in the past week'

LadyAce says, 'token rains are dull :P games are funner'

Kronig says, 'yeah but what happened to recall tag and such'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Straussy nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rahvin says, 'recall tag'

Dun says to Kronig, 'uhhhh we lost the arena.'

Hp nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rahvin drools contentedly.

Woe says, 'Token rains are more fun when you didn't know it rained'

Hp says, 'totally'

LadyAce says, 'Stile's working on making a new tag'

Zafira nods her agreement with Woe.

Khelben says, 'mert ran a sort of trivia yesterday, im reluctant to call it trivia though'

Rahvin nods his agreement with Khelben.

Chaykin says, 'that was silly trivia'

Dude says, 'hehe... yeah - the recall arena got yanked =P'

Zafira says, 'I never liked tag much, becuase it is just a test of your modem speed'

LadyAce says, 'we should have some games around next week for the mud birthday'

Kronig says, 'with token rains the only places i have seen tokens is in sl and PD'

LadyAce says to Kronig, 'it's random, but those get found last'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Zafira.

Lorenzo says to Khelben, 'No, that was trivia in the truest sense'

Hp says, 'cool'

Chaykin says, 'well, so is trivia :P'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Rahvin says, 'so is trivia'

SkullKrusher says to LadyAce, 'we need a scavenger hunt!'

Rahvin nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Kronig says, 'and other hard places'

Straussy says, 'I should have recalltag on titanic'

Rahvin says, 'now flag hunts...those rule'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Straussy's head.

Woe says, 'I've found tokens in dreamtime, the carnival and melbourne'

LadyAce says to Straussy, 'the idea is that it'll be playable anywhere'

Khelben says, 'i had considered a scavenger hunt'

Kaige giggles at Straussy.

Dude says, 'yeah... flag hunts with a theme are cool'

Chaykin says to Straussy, 'is the Titanic like eastside PD with flooding rooms?'

Zafira says, 'I found a token in tudor the other day'

Dun says, 'I found one the other day...'

SkullKrusher says, 'scavenger hunt was fun'

Kronig says, 'i never find tokens and stuff'

Milano says, 'ooo'

Kronig sighs loudly.

Milano is like Kronig

Zafira says to Kronig, 'go to more places that lots of people don't go...like the aztecs and nazca'

LadyAce says, 'i'll see those very soon i'm sure :)'

Khelben says, 'spin the bottle eh toby?'

Woe nods her agreement with Zafira.

Tobias shakes his head.

Kronig says to Zafira, 'i do'

Purify & Reporting Bugs

Woe says, 'I was wondering if purify is meant to give such a strange message when it doesn't work, that sounds like you ran out of mana, even when you have full mana'

Kaige says to Woe, 'I dunno... but we can look at it'

Woe nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Woe, 'report it as a bug for us?'

Kaige says to Woe, 'did you mention it on the bug channel?'

Chaykin giggles.

Woe says, 'it sounded so odd I thought it was a bug and asked Snapper about it'

Woe says to Kaige, 'no, I wasn't sure if it was meant to be like that, so I didn't bug it'

Kaige says, 'bug it, so we don't forget'

Kaige giggles.

Woe nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'and you get a chance at a token'

Kaige giggles.

Dun says, 'ok...By no means am I requesting anything'

Dun says, 'but I found a bug and reported it to an admin because I sort of wanted immediate action'

Krux ducks to the ground.

Dun says, 'and it wasnt like the killer bug of all..but it was annoying ..I was wondering if there was anything given to that..or just go into the bug lotto?'

Khelben says, 'dont report em to imms they always say I don't know'

Dun says, 'I didnt fill out a bug report...because of the want for immediate cation!'

LadyAce says, 'usually they go into the bug lotto thru the bug channel'

Chaykin says, 'well don't we all want immediate action :P that's not very realistic though'

Dun says, 'yeah but I couldnt use my gun'

LadyAce says, 'it might well be better to use both methods'

LadyAce says, 'that way it's logged where Ea and Kaige will see it for sure later'

Dun says, 'it was fixed..why should I report it?'

Kaige says, 'especially since the bug channel DOES get to Ea! and telling an admin isn't guaranteed'

Dun says, 'I dont want to spam you'

Dude says, 'its like in metal gear solid... where you can't use guns in that room - but you can shoot into it via sniper rifle'

Dude snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'it's not spam :)'

Dun says, 'so do I get screwed out of the chance? or what'

Khelben nods his agreement with Dun.

LadyAce says, 'the admin fixed the bug?'

Dun says, 'no the builder fixed the bug'

Kaige says, 'what was the bug?'

Rahvin says, 'couldnt use his gun'

Dun says, 'You couldnt reload 9mm uzi w/ fastloaders'

Chaykin says, 'one chance isn't going to make or break you usually. I sometimes report upwards of 10 bugs/ideas/whatnot and still don't win'

LadyAce says, 'well, but presumably not that exact second?'

Sandra says, 'it was that rifle thing Kaige'

Chaykin giggles.

Dun says, 'yes it was'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Dun says, 'the exact second :P'

Kaige says, 'yeah it pretty much was'

Kaige giggles.

Dun says, '5 minutes later I was told it would be fixed next update :p'

Sandra giggles.

Dun winks suggestively at Sandra.

Sandra says, 'yea, it took me 2 min to curse'

LadyAce says, 'ah :) then the admin must've passed it to a builder'

Chaykin giggles at Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'most likely on those kinda things, you won't end up in the bug lotto. remind the imm to add you, or add yourself, I'd say'

Wells/Fountains & Poisons

Hp says, 'the wells and pumps should affect people who are not accepting the person who fouled them i think, for example my newbie died from major poison from the well in tara because somebody fouled it.'

Ea! says, 'there's no way for us to track information like who poisoned a well on objects like that...'

Sandra says, 'I think that we should probably find a way to just make hometown wells unpoisonable. Might be easier?'

Sandra doesn't know tho, coz she's code stupid.

Hp says, 'the wells and stuff when they get fouled should not affect people who are not accepting the person who fouled it'

Chaykin chuckles politely.

Rahvin says, 'just use a waterskin?'

Straussy says, 'or be more cautious next time you drink from a public well'

Dun says to Hp, 'fill it w/ a waterskin man :P'

Zafira says, 'whoever fouled the tara well probably got it from Tika and Aengus anyway'

Rahvin nods his agreement with Dun.

Hp says, 'was with my newbie'

Wardley giggles.

Hp says, 'and it killed him =P'

Wardley giggles.

Dun says, 'they have waterskins :P'

Sandra says, 'maybe we should make Aengus more buff ;)'

Hp nods his agreement with Sandra.

Khelben says, 'just fill it from your container and drink it that way you cant get the affects then'

Kaige says, 'ok that's one of my pet peeves... waterskins don't carry the affect from the source'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Hp nods his agreement with Kaige.

Khelben nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'but it's not something I feel we can fix without making some other changes, like a sip or something so you can tell something not just plain liquid'

Khelben says, 'and 2 wells i know of are already poisoned'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Zafira says to Sandra, 'make him hunt you down when you foul'

Hp says, 'Aengus needs to hunt'

Chaykin says to Heineken, 'it's Llewellyn who keeps doing that'

Sandra giggles.

Chaykin says, 'if you're going to make the effect carry over to the skin, eventually, I say you should take the poison away from the well in a certain hometown which is the only source of water there'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'or add another well =) or more of that hometown'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'gee, where might you be going with that?'

Chaykin giggles.

Heineken says, 'It's a real problem with well of trust, makes it useless'

LadyAce says, 'well of trust is a good point, i wonder if it's set to reset'

Khelben says, 'i think richard should be hard to kill or have a shorter repop time'

Sandra says to LadyAce, 'the heal actually still works when it gets fouled'

Dun says, 'yeah...'

Hp says, 'that was my second part to my question as a matter of fact'

Dun says, 'sam norton + aengus are ripped. Richards a wuss.'

Zafira says, 'but flavor gets rid of the foul'

Khelben says, 'but the london well is random and seldom happens'

Khelben says, 'gans well is only poisoned when he does it'

Rahvin says, 'hehe richard de weenie?'

Dun says, 'yeah'

Hp says, 'well that is just normal poison'

Hp says, 'major poison is icky'

Khelben says, 'i dont mind if richard dies but sometimes i recall with loot and can't deposit it cause i can't move'

Dun says to Khelben, 'str eq :P'

Hp snickers at Dun nastily.

Khelben says, 'i dont like str eq'

Can roots & surgery be improved?

SkullKrusher says, 'can roots be beefed now that everyone has madd hps? i seem to eat alot more now-a-days...i would like to see it mind based myself...'

LadyAce says, 'everyone has more ma too :P'

Khelben says, 'same for cure crit'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Zafira chuckles politely at Chaykin's feeble witticism.

Rahvin says, 'can't be mind based =('

Dun says to Khelben, 'cure crit is mind based :P'

SkullKrusher says to LadyAce, 'still dont seem to heal good :('

Khelben says, 'at 100 mind i cure about 65 hp'

SkullKrusher says, 'being my only form of heal :P'

Ea! says to SkullKrusher, 'But at least you don't need to wait as long for mana regen.'

SkullKrusher says to Ea!, 'you do to eat'

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

Tobias says to Ea!, 'don't that make roots that much worse?'

LadyAce says, 'you guys won't be happy until there's a zero behind every char-related number :P'

Wardley says, 'mages should never heal more than a healer?'

Hp says, 'im starving so i can eat 12 roots'

Khelben says, 'sure they should'

Hp says, 'they do around 45 50 hps each'

SkullKrusher says to LadyAce, 'thats not true :p'

Zafira nods her agreement with Wardley.

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'nyah... just theirs, not everyone's'

Ea! says to Tobias, 'No, it means that when you were stuck waiting for mana you aren't any more.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Wardley says, 'thats what were built to do'

Tobias says to Ea!, 'But the cure critters can fire away ^_~'

Tobias flexes his bulging, impressive muscles.

SkullKrusher says, 'ok then forget roots.. what about greater healing for create'

Zafira says, 'what about scaling up surgery to match the hp increase?'

LadyAce says to SkullKrusher, 'the thing is, if we adjust everything upward, that's all we do....add a zero'

Dun says to Zafira, 'naw'

SkullKrusher says, 'create greater healing'

Wardley says, 'if a mage can heal more than a full healer thats messed up'

Sandra says, 'you do realize that you're comparing a 2nd circle spell with a 3rd circle one?'

Hp says, 'cure serious'

Ea! says, 'Regardless, I don't want to up the power of roots. I want to remove them and put something else in their place. And, no, I don't have a good idea as to what that'll be.'

Hp says, 'its not put in yet though'

SkullKrusher says, 'yes sandra'

Khelben says, 'you guys had a healing ring then complained that it was out of spec i actually liked the thing'

SkullKrusher says, 'i understand that'

Rahvin says to Ea!, 'create healing wands?'

Chaykin says, 'cure serious was in, it got taken out'

Woe says, 'create healing ring :p'

Khelben says, 'so no we are stuck with a stupid 50 hp ring that does me no good'

Zafira says, 'I like (I think it was LA's) idea of a healing aura'

Hp says, 'their for its not in yet'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Zafira.

Rahvin says, 'the wand amethyst rocked'

Rahvin says, 'makes me mad people complained'

SkullKrusher says, 'i like that idea too'

Zafira smiles at LadyAce.

SkullKrusher says, 'seems causey to me tho'

Woe says, 'isn't an aura more like a cause spell?'

Wardley says, 'how about heaers heal mages do magic?'

Zafira says, 'no, cause you create the aura'

Dude says, 'i have an idea... like a regen spell - that cast an effect... say like every tick you gained back 5 hp?'

SkullKrusher says, 'create greater healing'

Chaykin says, 'a regen spell that regens a certain number of hp per tick or whatnot?'

Rahvin says, 'creates need to create a object that will heal them'

Khelben says, 'healing is art of magic wardley'

SkullKrusher says, 'seems fine'

LadyAce says, 'create healing web then, rather than an aura...same idea tho'

Khelben says, 'part even'

Dun says to Dude, 'lol thats weak :P'

SkullKrusher says, 'make it heal good and fill more'

Dude says, 'hey... why is it weak?'

SkullKrusher says, 'costing more mana'

Woe says, 'they could create a no_give no_drop object?'

Khelben says, 'they create roots'

SkullKrusher says, 'seems reasonable to me'

Rahvin nods his agreement with Woe.

Wardley says, 'how can you say that a mage can out heal a healer or druid'

Dun says to Dude, '5 hps a tick'

Zafira says to LadyAce, 'a web if you're evil, a nimbus if you're good'

Dude says, 'well... it can be more'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Zafira.

Dude says, 'like 40 a tick'

Dude says, 'make it a 3c spell'

Rahvin says, 'bleh'

Wardley says, 'then why have the whole healer class'

SkullKrusher says, 'that was all that i was implying'

SkullKrusher says, 'i wasnt like ROOTS SUCK'

Rahvin says, 'no matter what, they spell should stay 2c'

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

Zafira says to Wardley, 'because we straight fighters still need you'

LadyAce says to Zafira, 'one idea would be to make it give you the bonus of the next position down -- i.e. if you have it on while standing, your regen rate is as if you are sitting/resting. if you are sitting/resting, it's like sleeping.'

Sandra says to Rahvin, 'why?'

SkullKrusher says, 'like headbutt *duck*'

Khelben says, 'we really need more spells for rudh and mrti, and anna'

Rahvin says, 'because its always been 2c?'

Dun says, 'and kala :p'

Hp nods his agreement with Dun.

Chaykin says, 'why should creates not have a 3c healing spell?'

Rahvin says, 'give them one then'

Sandra says, 'I wouldn't be against a 3c create healing spell, and lowering the heal value on roots =P'

Rahvin says, 'leave 2c's alone'

Khelben says, 'then give us dispel magic and detect invis'

Rahvin says, 'roots is already low =('

Dun says, 'bye bye everyone'

Hp says, 'we dont have detect invs'

Wardley says, 'its not that thay have the spell its the ammount of healing vs mana'

Dude says, 'keep roots the same... give us a 3c healing spell'

Khelben says, 'i know :P'

SkullKrusher says, 'roots was fine with our old hps'

Rahvin nods his agreement with Dude.

Wardley giggles.

Rahvin says, 'that would be great =)'

Wardley giggles.

Has the Wagon Quest in Orkneys been fixed?

Khelben says, 'hrrm this goes back to that silly quest in orkney has that ever been fixed?'

Kaige says, 'the wagon?'

SkullKrusher chuckles politely.

Rahvin says, 'the wagon wheel?'

Khelben nods solemnly.

Khelben says, 'im sure you read the nice bug reports'

Rahvin snickers softly.

Khelben says, 'the 50 million or so'

Kaige says, 'I think one part of it, Huginn said was something he needed to look at...'

Zafira closes her ears, because she doesn't know that quest.

SkullKrusher says, 'yeah i got the xp and didnt do anything once on that quest, i just walked into the inn'

Khelben says, 'it has nothing to do with the wheel they fix one thing and something else breaks almost as bad as mrti :P'

LadyAce says, 'the odd messages in vehicles are a known bug, on the bug list'

Khelben nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Is this the issue with people trying to ride the animals instead of boarding the wagon?'

Khelben says, 'no'

Kaige says, 'and the wagon not going with the animal if you ride it'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says, 'that's what I was thinking'

Khelben says, 'when you leave the wagon stays in the room and aethelstan doesn see the stuff in the wagon'

Dude says, 'this is all greek to me.... i gotta get out more'

LadyAce says, 'well, let's not discuss quest details in this forum, eh?'

How's progress on areas?

Tobias says, 'What's the status on Hades?'

Sandra says, 'its on hold'

Lorenzo rolls his eyes heavenward.

Tobias says, 'awwwww....'

Tobias flops about helplessly.

Dude says, 'how's the silk road going guys?'

Dude says, 'that sounded like a cool area'

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'hehe, we haven't worked much on that and not for a long time'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'have lots of other projects in the pipe right now, but we'll get back to it'

SkullKrusher says, 'so whats the next area?'

Sandra says, 'I looked at the file the other day tho, does that count?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sandra.

Chaykin says, 'what project?'

Sandra says, 'woo!'

Ea! says, 'Uruk is further along than silk road!'

Dude says, 'what is gonna be next here?'

Sandra says, 'bah, yea you put a geo section in'

Dude says, 'straussy's area?'

LadyAce says, 'Maybe Leila's'

Sandra says, 'hm, next will probably be London'

Woe drools contentedly.

LadyAce says, 'maybe Russie's expansion to Tudor'

Chaykin says, 'ooo'

Ea! says to Sandra, 'Areainfo -- I had a geo section in a *long* time ago.'

SkullKrusher says, 'london indus?'

Rowane says, 'will that be an update of indus london?'

Kaige says, 'maybe klein update?'

Sandra says to Ea!, 'doh!'

Kaige tugs on LadyAce's sleeve imploringly.

Wardley giggles.

Tobias waves happily.

Wardley giggles.

Sandra says, 'klein too!'

Sandra bats her eyelashes at LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'it's in the stage where I hafta force myself to stop twiddling with it, yeah.'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Sandra giggles.

Kaige says, 'I hate that stage'

Kaige is still there with Arabia.

Kaige sighs loudly.

Lorenzo chuckles politely at LadyAce's feeble witticism.

LadyAce says, 'i figure i'll put in a lot of stuff as updates, just to get the darn thing in'

Zafira says, 'is building like watercolor?'

Chaykin giggles at Zafira.

Hp says, 'naww'

LadyAce says, 'no, I think it's more like writing a novel while playing violin in front of several thousand inmates'

SkullKrusher shudders.

Lorenzo laughs with amusement.

Hp snickers at LadyAce nastily.

Sandra giggles.

Zafira says, 'naked?'

Kaige says, 'actually that's better than what I was gonna say'

Kaige giggles.

Ea! says to Sandra, 'My geo section went in on the 21st of Feb. 1999.'

Sandra says, 'damn we're way behind =P'

LadyAce pets Ea! lovingly.

Chaykin says, 'geo section?'

Sandra says, 'we have a room or two!'

Chaykin looks very confused.

LadyAce says, 'latitude and longitude of each area zone'

LadyAce says, 'is what a geography section (#GEO) is'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'thanks :)'

Kaige cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Hp says, 'the latitude and longitude of each room is easy to set, its just takes time to set each room, each room desc, each room exits, exc...'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'we got bunches of them now!'

Sandra says, 'actually its a pain ;P'

LadyAce says, 'someday the idea is to let you trace people by their location relative to you, rather than the simple room name'

Hp says, 'then you have to set the mob acts, mobs stats all that bs'

Kaige says, 'I don't even wanna do medseas'

Kaige cries on Ea!'s shoulder.

LadyAce says, 'mapquest is your friend'

Sandra giggles.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'yeah.. but that area's strung out ALL over the globe'

Zafira says, 'and very strange. the pacific rim is just one room?'

LadyAce giggles at Zafira.

Ea! sings the UPS's praises!

LadyAce nods her agreement with Ea!.

More Perc & See Hidden?

Rowane says, 'about perception...'

Rowane says, 'so with the code change, your saying that something that has been a part of the game since im guessing it began, has been considered a bug now?'

Ea! says to Rowane, 'The hidden thing? It's never worked right before.'

Rahvin says, 'in help perception we should have been able to do it before'

Rowane says, 'talking about the being able to see hidden with high per'

Rahvin says, 'now we can'

Rahvin says, 'with 75+'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'according to the help file, you were always supposed to be able to do it. But it never worked'

Rahvin nods solemnly.

SkullKrusher waves happily.

Chaykin says, 'so it was always a bug'

Kaige says, 'you USED to be able to'

Rahvin says, 'which I assure you is going to make sniper wars much much more interesting'

Hp nods his agreement with Kaige.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin says, 'acutally I think we uncovered that little bug in a recent Q&A too :)'

Rowane says, 'I remembered bringing it up about 2 years ago and having an imm say otherwise, dont mind me'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Hp says, 'i remember seeing hiding things with Hassan back in the day'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Woe says, 'I remember being able to see the hidden orkney fox'

LadyAce says to Rowane, 'it was the sort of thing that never worked properly, and stopped being thought of as a bug, after a while'

Ruby says, 'Personaly I like hide the way it is.'

Rowane nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rowane says, 'well, it makes sense, you should be able to see hidden objects if you have high per, I'd rather it be higher though, 90+'

LadyAce says to Rowane, 'for many years, we'd just given up'

Rowane says, 'but thats just me'

Rahvin peers at Sandra, looking her up and down.

Chaykin says, 'there aren't too many people who have in the 50-90 perc range anyway though, mostly you either have it very high or very low'

LadyAce says, 'it's easy enough to adjust if it turns out to be too low, I think.'

Ruby says, 'of corse I think in no way should being able to see a hidden person or object be 100% even with 100 perc'

Rowane says, 'considering you need to have sniper and deadeye at atleast 80 right?'

Woe says, 'I have 73'

Rahvin nods his agreement with Ruby.

Zafira nods her agreement with Ruby.

Rahvin says, 'there should be a good chance of fail'

Chaykin says to Woe, 'well I didn't say none'

Ea! says, 'It gives players a reason to have 75 perc that wasn't really there before.'

Chaykin giggles.

Hp says, 'i have never had a sniper without 100 perc'

Rahvin nods solemnly.

Rowane says to Ea!, 'added dammage from backstab isnt enough of a bonus?'

Rahvin shakes his head.

Rahvin cackles gleefully at Rowane - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Rowane says, 'i see'

LadyAce says, 'it also enables things like giving rooms ratings on how easy it is to hide there, i.e. in the forest, maybe the chance to be seen will be lower unless they have 100 perc....I like the idea of making it a chance not auto'

Wardley blinks.

LadyAce says, 'altho then you just spam looks i guess'

Woe drools contentedly.

Ea! says to Rowane, 'If you had the option of having 75 perc and 65 str or 70 str and 65 perc, which would you do? (That's an example -- I mainly meant to refer to people who weren't relying on perc for their fighting)'

Rowane nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Woe says, 'finding a good place to hide would be fun'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Woe.

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'Idea that one?'

Rahvin says, 'theres lotsa !hunt places'

Rahvin says, 'to hide'

Chaykin says, 'I think you shouldn't be able to backstab unless you're hiding'

Chaykin ducks to the ground.

Rahvin goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over Chaykin - what a mess!

Rowane says to Ea!, 'i wouldnt use str and go dex instead, imagine...a str per character, it might cause me to suffer an anurism'

Chaykin ducks the tomatoes.

Zafira says, 'maybe implement shadowroom, then doing that increases the chance of hiding there?'

Ruby growls at Chaykin. Better leave before the fighting starts!

LadyAce says, 'that takes light levels code'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Kaige.

Rowane says, 'ohh that reminds me'

Zafira nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'there aren't already light levels?'

Kaige says, 'fully lit, murky and fully dark'

Kaige wrinkles her nose distastefully.

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'For things like proper fog'

Ea! says, 'With light levels you'll be able to see better in the dark if you've got a glowing item, and you'll be able to see different sorts of things in different light levels...'

Ea! says, 'Like if it's really dark you might be able to make out people but not small objects or something like that.'

Zafira says, 'and if it is really really dark, you might be eaten by a grue'

Imping Resist Poison?

Rowane says, 'any reason why resist poison, the spell, hasnt been imped?'

Rahvin says, 'it has'

Rahvin says, 'hehe I broke it!'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'they took it out'

Rahvin struts proudly.

Rowane says, 'why?'

Rowane says, 'worked too well?'

Rahvin says, 'used it to get infinite mana'

Rahvin says, 'well sorta'

Rahvin says, 'more like 3ma per spell'

Rowane says to Rahvin, 'you'll have to explain that to me at another time'

Wardley giggles.

Rahvin nods his agreement with Rowane.

Woe drools contentedly.

Hp says, 'the spells do that stuff all the time'

Rahvin says to Rowane, 'when i casted resist poison on a sink, it didnt subtact mana from me'

Kaige says, 'oh, we didn't have a way to do the resist poison before..we do now.. I was gonna put that on my to do list when I was working on spells this coming week'

Rahvin says to Rowane, 'so I could fill anyone up'

Rowane nods his agreement with Rahvin.

Hp says, 'like stun self healed your mana 6 points every time you failed'

Chaykin cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Woe waves happily.

Kaige says, 'don't get exicited.. I have three utility/non-chant spells to work on'

Hp says, 'i bugged that and its fixed now so =P'

Chaykin says, 'non-chant spells?'

Chaykin is completely boggled by the concept.

Rowane says to Kaige, 'ohh, imp paralyze while your at it'

Rowane ducks to the ground.

Kaige says to Ea!, 'unless that's one of the * ones'

Rahvin says, 'ressurect!'

Kaige says, 'spells that only work from items...'

Rowane chuckles politely.

Zafira says, 'phase person!'

Chaykin says, 'hmm'

Hp snickers at Zafira nastily.

Vampyr yells, 'zoom zoom zoom'

Chaykin says, 'wall of winds!'

Dude snickers softly.

Rowane says, 'that isnt in yet?'

Chaykin says, 'nope'

Ruby says, 'create coke spell!'

Vampyr says, 'wall of death :P'

Dude laughs with amusement.

Chaykin jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Ruby!

Vampyr says, 'chance of ID every time you pass it'

Rowane is just starting a 3rd circle create, domt mind me

Ea! says to Kaige, 'the * part on that one is for actually removing the spells that we don't really plan on doing any more, not from implementing others.'

Chaykin says to Ruby, 'Sandra won't ever let that in :P'

Hp says, 'greater wall of fire'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ruby grins evilly at Chaykin.. wonder what he's thinking...

Sandra says, 'let what in?'

Chaykin says, 'a create coke spell'

Rahvin gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Rowane chuckles politely.

Kaige giggles at Sandra.

LadyAce has created a Coke!

Chaykin giggles.

Ruby says, 'I wana be able to fill my waterskin's with coke!'

Ruby cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

LadyAce gives a Coke to Chaykin.

Sandra says, 'I don't like pepsi, so I wouldn't care one way or the other =P'

Chaykin cheers wildly!

Chaykin hugs LadyAce.

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'now make it a mort command!'

Dude says, 'hehehe... morts loading coke'

Hp says, 'only good pepsi product is Mt Dew'

Dude says, 'would be funny'

Zafira says, 'I would like more fountains that aren't just water'

LadyAce says, 'kinda hard to justify those tho'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Rowane says, 'we would have to wait for the newest time zone to get in...Modern times!'

Camaris bows deeply.

Chaykin says to Zafira, 'you can get a beer fountain in your house'

Zafira wrinkles her nose at Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'i mean, how do you end up with infinite amounts of anything like that'

Hp says, 'wish more things were in san fran'

Dude says, 'kool-aid fountain... like something outta a 2nd grade brainstorming session'

Dude says, 'hehe'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Hp says, 'its a pretty well built town'

Ea! says to Zafira, 'I keep trying to convince people at work that we need a soda fountin. Doesn't fly there, probably won't fly with the builders here, either.'

LadyAce says, 'superduper autoinvisible delivery beer man fills that keg'

Camaris raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Zafira says, 'well, the type of liquid would fit with the area, naturally'

Vampyr says, 'how old is coke? :P'

Chaykin says, '120 years or so'

Vampyr nods solemnly.

Zafira says to Vampyr, 'you can buy bottles in pittsburg'

Vampyr says, 'really'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Zafira.

Weapon Damage Type Variety

Ruby says, 'ok I just have a few idea's. this is geared more at builders'

Ruby peers at Sandra, looking her up and down.

Sandra says, 'okie'

Ruby says, 'I've noticed there are very few weapons that do something other than slash bludgen and peirce'

Ruby says, 'is there any reason for that or is it just because that has always been the way we do it?'

Sandra says, 'it's just how its turned out, is all.'

Ruby says, 'I was thinking maybe a weapon -coiled snake- for a bite attack :P'

LadyAce says, 'maybe hanging/sigsev ones?'

Kaige says, 'partly because we don't have a list that says, ok we have 223 slash weapons 14 stab weapons and only 3 suction weapons.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Ruby nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'cept Kaige is fixing that'

Sandra says, 'oh, there are some attack types that don't have a speed bonus, like pierce/slash/etc. It would be a funky weapon'

Chaykin says, 'there are suction weapons?'

Rowane says, 'heh, suction'

LadyAce says, 'on account of her being the bestest'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'I think the kraken uses that'

Ruby says, 'I'd just like to make builders aware of this if they are not already'

Wardley giggles.

Kaige says, 'and when you're building it's easy to go.. Hmmm... what do I need..... A strength weapon! SLASH it is...'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ruby.

LadyAce says, 'I think the way the docs are now is helpful'

Chaykin says, 'well hey, if we have suction weapons at least people can say THIS WEAPON SUCKS and have it be a constructive comment'

Zafira says, 'there are several good swords that slash'

Sandra giggles.

Zafira says, 'I mean, slice'

Camaris says, 'like to see entangle type weapons'

Rowane coughs loudly.

Kaige says, 'we're working on better tools to analyze what we've got and people can thing about using things that are weak'

LadyAce says, 'used to be we couldn't tell what attacks went with what, at least not in an obvious way'

Ruby says, 'I'm still all for an extra attack weapon worn on face!'

Sandra says, 'no ;P'

LadyAce says, 'so it was a guarantee that if you said slash you'd get a str weapon'

Ruby says, 'Vampire fangs or something neeto :P'

Zafira says to Ruby, 'ugliness?'

Sandra giggles.

Ruby snickers at Zafira nastily.

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'could be neato'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'why no?'

Sandra says, 'but blind isn't an attack type!'

Zafira snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'neither's noise'

Kaige giggles.

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Vampyr says, 'you would have too many attacks :P'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'should make the brass knuckles extra attack'

Vampyr says, 'you'd be a walking kraken'

Camaris pats a set of brass knuckles affectionately.

Vampyr nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rowane says, 'think medusa could use that, only it would cast stone skin on the victim:P'

Lorenzo gives a quick polish to a set of brass knuckles. It now shines brightly.

Sandra says to LadyAce, 'yea that'd be kinda neat'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'it'd need a - tho'

Vampyr says, 'hehe knuckles should give you an extra skill "punch" with like a 1 round skill lag for damage :P'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'anyway, I forget who was next. Anyone?'

Chaykin says to Sandra, '+30 AC!'

Vampyr says, 'that would be hard to do i guess'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'hey, your blinding weapon has no minus, so shush =P'

Camaris says to Vampyr, 'seen dex fighters send someone sprawling with a punch...'

Vampyr nods solemnly.

Vampyr says, 'it's just the verbose tho'

Camaris shrugs helplessly.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chaykin's head.

Vampyr says, 'doesn't actually happen :P'

Camaris sighs loudly.

Putting runes on objects?

Rowane says, 'you guys still have that skill tree of being able to put runes on objects i the works?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Rowane.

Rowane says, 'that sounded neat'

Ea! says, 'It's changed slightly, but, yeah.'

Date for Skilltrees?

Camaris says, 'maybe this has been asked, what is the tentative date for the skill trees?'

Camaris ducks to the ground.

Rowane attempts to take cover.

LadyAce says, 'none'

Ruby laughs at Camaris.

Vampyr giggles.

Camaris chuckles politely.

Camaris says, 'had to ask'

Camaris smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'it's a project without a coder right now'

Combat System Ramblings: STR/PERC/SPIRIT/BLIND/DIP/SPIRIT

Chaykin says, 'ooo ooo ooo somebody ask why str sucks, it's not a real Q&A otherwise'

Hp says, 'str doesnt suck'

Camaris laughs with amusement.

Camaris pats Zafira on the head.

Chaykin says, 'but somebody always asks'

Sandra says, 'don't get me started =P I made a str/per char last week!'

Camaris pats Sandra on the head.

Hp nods his agreement with Sandra.

Camaris peers at himself myopically.

Ruby says, 'ew str/perc!'

Camaris says, 'man i cant type today!'

Rowane says to Sandra, 'wow, thats brave'

Sandra says to Ruby, 'oh man, it's nasty'

Ruby nods his agreement with Sandra.

Hp says, 'my str fighter is lvl 27 and only had him 4 days if that'

Sandra says, 'mine's 32'

Sandra giggles.

Ruby says, 'I still think str/mind is nasty! I could never lvl a str/perc up!'

Sandra says, 'Kaige saw it fight!'

Kaige says, 'scary'

Kaige shudders.

Rowane says to Sandra, 'and how is the character coming along...?'

Chaykin snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'no not nasty as in bad, but nasty as in evil damage'

Kaige says, 'I've seen her level too'

Ruby is completely boggled.

Rowane looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ruby says to Sandra, 'I just can't see how it would be evil damage'

Chaykin says, 'str/mind is not nasty, my str/mind beat a sniper twice last week'

Camaris wields the star sword.

Sandra says, 'str/spi is my next one ;P'

Chaykin laughs at Sandra.

Ruby laughs with amusement.

Ruby says, 'str/spir i can see though'

Rowane looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'my str fighter could use more spi so he could heal himself'

Ruby says, 'I just don't understand any advantage at all with str/perc'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Rowane says, 'how does the per factor in, is what I dont guet'

Sandra says to Ruby, 'I was decimating at level 20, on mobs 8 levels higher than me'

Camaris says, 'gonna try for str/dex/perc next myself'

Sandra says, 'in 3 different areas'

Ruby says, 'oww'

Rowane says to Sandra, 'doesnt that strike you as odd?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Wardley giggles.

Hp says, 'i was ripping to shreds at lvl 20'

Sandra says, 'it was funny!'

Rowane says, 'does per still had to hitroll :P'

Rowane says, 'add rather'

Camaris says, 'a little'

Ea! says, 'I believe that it's based entirely off of dex.'

Zeirath says, 'yeh 32hit and 30 dam have nothing to do with my hitting hard at these low lvls though'

Ea! says, 'But I'm not sure. Probably easier for you to test than for me to check the code.'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'really?'

Rowane says, 'then how does a str per decimate at level 32?'

Ruby takes off his dirty sticking plaster.

Rowane says, 'thats just what im wondering'

Ruby says, 'does grad stats go down and up ooc?'

Camaris says, 'hmm..got a lvl 20 alt with 94 dex and 70 perc who has 32 hitroll'

Camaris shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says to Rowane, 'I could be wrong.'

Rowane says, 'I would think per adds protections and dex to hit'

Rowane says to Ea!, 'but your the top coder!'

Ea! says, 'I'm wrong.'

Ruby wears a dirty sticking plaster on his right ring finger.

Ea! says to Rowane, 'Memorizing minutia of the fight system isn't my thing.'

Ea! says, 'There are tons of players who know it better than I do.'

Ea! says, 'I'm much more interested in other parts of the code.'

Rowane says, 'so dex and per add to hit roll, while str just adds to dam'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'let me guess. guarding it with you life?'

Ruby ducks to the ground.

Wardley says, 'thats the way i see it'

Ea! says, 'hm. Maybe spirit should add to damroll.'

Rowane says, 'that seems kinda unbalanced but I guess there is no way around it'

Ronin chuckles politely at Ea!'s feeble witticism.

Zeirath says, 'wonder what will happen if i got 100str dex 50perc 50spr'

Cerberus says to Ea!, 'that would be nice'

Zeirath reads a small piece of paper from Zeirath.

Chaykin says, 'as long as low spirit doesn't subtract from it'

Chaykin wrinkles his nose distastefully.

Cerberus grins evilly.

Sandra says, 'subtract!'

Zafira says, 'yeah, my damroll is low enough as it is'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Zafira.

Chaykin knocks Somar over and flops all over him.

Ruby gives a big, wet, slurpy kiss to Somar.

Ea! says, 'at some point we're going to make having less than 25 spirit a disadvantage'

Cerberus giggles.

Sandra says, 'man I can't wait either'

Ruby says, 'Ewww'

Wardley says, 'i have 4 dam and -3 to hit'

Zeirath says, 'me either'

Somar sniffs sadly.

Ruby says, 'I like my -spir!'

Rowane says to Ea!, 'all those pure fighters are cringing as you speak'

Somar says, 'there goes my 100/100/100 :P'

Chaykin says, 'eww'

Sandra says, 'I'm tired of all the fighters getting free stats =P Even mine!'

Ruby says, 'spir is stupid anyway! I mean who wants to be a cheerleader with alot of spir!'

Zafira models her 1 spir.

Cerberus says to Sandra, 'but they still aren't that powerful, even with them'

Rowane says, 'they have enough things to worry about, like they being stun bait'

Somar wants to be a cheerleader.

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'it's not like it helps them win a lot :P'

Somar says, 'go imms go!'

Wardley says, 'i have 100 sprit'

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Zeirath says, 'spirit is key'

Ruby says, 'yeh hope your planning ahead with the spir change or your gonna have alot of REALY pissed off fighters'

Somar says, 'maybe martial arts can be based on spirit ;)'

Somar throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Rowane says to Ruby, 'even more so'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Somar.

Rowane nods his agreement with Somar.

Wardley giggles.

Rowane says to Somar, 'I can see that'

Rowane chuckles politely.

Somar nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'I think martial arts would be neat if when you got REALLY good at it it had a few magicky effects like fireballs'

Somar says, 'haduken!'

Rowane coughs loudly.

Chaykin says to Somar, 'yeah!'

Sandra says to Ruby, 'to be honest, and this is just from me, I don't really care if there are pissed off fighters =P They basically get a free stat, and that's just p lain wrong'

Ruby grins evilly at Somar.. wonder what he's thinking...

Somar says, 'they certainly do'

Rowane says, 'well, I guess this is legendary, doesnt have to be grounded in reality'

Zeirath nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says, 'no other char type does. Fighters and snipers are all that do'

Ea! says, 'The spec I saw for them had each different type of martial art using a different combination of stats.'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'I agree with you there. But as it stands if fighters have to have 25spir then they will be very underpowered'

Zeirath says, 'i agree with sandra'

Somar says, 'my thought is rather than requiring 25 spirit'

Cerberus says to Sandra, 'but if its changed, then they really suck. Something would have to be done to compinsate or you are going to have an useless group'

Somar says, 'perhaps there should be less massive -spr gear ;)'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'there are plenty of fictional precedences for magic type effects from martial arts fighters'

Dude says, 'hmmm... ppl using light daggers pretty much get a free stat'

Sandra says to Cerberus, 'why would they really suck? Because they can't have 100dex/per 90 con?'

Dude says, 'i need like 30 to hold my stuff... i have 42 natural'

Zeirath nods his agreement with Sandra.

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'not to the level of something as grandioius as street fighter'

Sandra says, 'so they have 100dex 80per/con, so what?'

Zeirath says, 'no kidding'

Cerberus says, 'I was thinking more of the 100 str/dex/con peeps'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'It's all balance and you should know just as well if not better than us'

Cerberus says, 'hadn't considered the snipers'

Sandra says, 'same difference'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'I just don't understand why you are playing dumb on this point'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'street fighter is rather tame in comparison actually'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'besides, Somar mentioned street fighter not me'

Chaykin giggles.

Somar has one of those odd sniper types, and a raw fighter type, and they'd both be hurt, but it is in a way quite crazy that you can kill one stat beyond all others

Ruby says, 'I have to drop 20 points or so then a con/mage will come up and smack me and i die no contest'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'that is debatable, and I see your ready for a debate while im ready for the next topic:P, so you win'

Ruby says, 'there will have to be some major balance changes'

Chaykin giggles at Rowane.

Chaykin says, 'I like the idea of making spr important for something, but not before something else is given to pure fighters to make them a little nicer to play'

Somar says, 'I guess this all depends on what disadvantages one gets by having negative spirit :P'

Zafira nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'like more skills'

Sandra says, 'problem with snipers today is that they're too dependant on blind that they require high hp to compete'

Sandra says, 'buncha wusses!'

Wardley says, 'yea you cant get shipbuilding'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'hey now!'

Ruby says, 'I play with this all the time!'

Ruby waves a flask of Greek fire oil.

Sandra says to Ruby, 'you try some of the others too?'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'every now and then. I mainly use blind and fire arrows though'

Somar says, 'that is, of course, assuming that the sniper is using a bow :P'

Sandra says, 'there's no more 'know your opponent' anymore. It's all hp and blind'

Ruby nods his agreement with Sandra.

Rowane says, 'I can see getting bonuses for being 25 spirit, like new skills, but I dont see how taking a low spirit fighter and slapping them with restrictions will do much'

Cerberus nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'blind should be yanked :P'

Somar really thinks there should be somethign done about the blind.

Zeirath says, 'i hate blind'

Ruby says, 'which is why blind should be reduced yet again'

Zeirath says, 'blind is so arrgggghhhh i hate it'

Sandra says, 'so get off your ass, know your victim, pkill with style!'

Somar says, 'maybe you should require spirit to dip :P'

Rowane nods his agreement with Sandra.

Rowane says to Sandra, 'amen'

Zeirath says, 'like 40 spr to dip'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'Hey now when i fight i mage if i got a greek fire on me i use that!'

Cerberus says, 'wouldn't making some skill based on spirit that fighters would want, basically solve them dumping spr?'

Rowane sniffs sadly at Ruby.

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'a lot of pkillers don't care about style though, they care about winning, and whatever is the best tactic, they will use to exhaustion'

Ea! should just make lullaby and entrance succeed a *lot* more frequently as the spirit gets below 25. If it's at 0, always have it succeed.

Sandra says to Ruby, 'why? Mages have protection from fire. That'd only work once? If a mage has high mind, exploit their weakness'

Ruby says to Chaykin, 'ie Gaidal'

Somar jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Ea!!

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ruby.

Zafira says, 'or we just don't have a lot of tricks up our sleeves'

Somar gives LadyAce a huge bearhug - your ribs ache in sympathy.

Cerberus says to Ea!, '100% success is trouble'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'and just what is ther weakness? weakening them?'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'yea, funny part is, knowing your victim will most likely get you the win. Hehe'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'idiocy? I don't see the point in that'

Zeirath says, 'hey i used entrance tons with my pkillers before'

Somar says to Ea!, 'there's a thought, however, it wouldn't solve the problem of the ramifications of dumping spr in mbokill'

Ea! says to Cerberus, 'So's having non-positive spirit.'

Cerberus raises a tattered copy of Sun Tzu's 'The Art of War' high in the air above his head.

Cerberus says, 'know thyself, know thy enemy'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'yeah, but blinding works more often than not for that too'

Sandra says to Ruby, 'probably, clumsy maybe? dispel? make them spend mana on resinking? Run them into mobs, lots of things'

Ea! says to Somar, 'We'd need more bardic mobs.'

Somar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ruby says to Sandra, 'hehe I dispell mages no matter what'

Zeirath says, 'entrance is like my favorite skill in pk'

Somar says, '100% success on bow effects is SCARY.'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'sometimes i dispell them just to make them resink thinking i'm gonna try and blind'

Zeirath says, 'people just wake from it to easy'

Somar is afk a sec.

Sandra says, 'if its a nonstr mage, probably low str, if its a con one, probably low str and dex, lots of things to do'

Sandra says, 'If its a big fighter, probably low mind'

Chaykin says, 'my main pkiller is a pure fighter. For how much they often have a disadvantage I think I do pretty damned well with him. But I still lose all the time because I just don't have that powerful edge'

Cerberus says, 'helps if you can figure out what fight skills check which stats'

Ruby says, 'lots to do but the problem is it just isn't as powerfull as blind'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'Oh I agree with you. I hate it that every uses blind'

Zeirath nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says, 'i always change my tactics, I like to confuse people =P'

Ruby says, 'for along time i just plain flat out refused to use blind at all. But then the only way i could win a fight was to para or get insain luck.'

Cerberus says, 'were the new types of poisons highish on the priority list? Some of them might be a viable alternative to blind'

Zeirath snickers at Sandra nastily.

Ea! says to Cerberus, 'I'm working on them as I get time.'

Chaykin says to Ruby, 'I just use a dragon eye and to hell with how much the sniper might whine at me :P'

Sandra says, 'I won't say what I hope happens when they go in =P'

Ea! says, 'Though a lot of it isn't new types of poison but rather a change to the way poisons work.'

Ruby says to Chaykin, 'Heck I like it when people use the eye'

Cerberus says to Sandra, 'tell us'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with Ruby.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ruby.

Sandra says, 'I want dip to not work on normal potions, but on the new poisons instead'

Rowane says, 'then they can just use a magic bone'

Rowane shudders.

Cerberus says, 'works for me'

Akai_Hayate says, 'what new potions?'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'fouled OILS!'

Kaige throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ruby says, 'I say just yank the filmy vial!'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Zeirath nods his agreement with Ruby.

Kaige says, 'or rather the poisonous ones'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Chaykin says, 'well if you couldn't dip with it, the filmy becomes sorta useless anyway. unless you throw :P'

Zeirath says, 'force fighters to use starswords and stuff'

Ruby says to Chaykin, 'hey i throw vials sometimes'

Cerberus says, 'will these new poisons be able to be put on weapons as well with the poison skill?'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'and we all know that skill doesnt work'

Ruby says to Chaykin, 'it's funny nobody every expects it'

Ea! says, 'It's not new poisons.'

Chaykin giggles at Ruby.

Ea! says, 'There's only going to be *one* type of poison.'

Cerberus says, 'oops'

Ruby says, 'I still want recall arrows to work! and sleep arrows!'

Ea! says, 'It's just that poison will have multiple affects -- different symptoms will crop up based on the seriousness of the poison.'

Chaykin says, 'I still wish there were a silence effect'

Chaykin scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Ea! says, 'And you'll be able to fix the symptoms without fixing the poison (fixing the symptoms will be easier than the poison)'

RogueMoon cheers wildly!

Zafira nods her agreement with Chaykin.

RogueMoon smiles happily.

Cerberus says, 'neat'

Ruby says, 'If this spir thing goes in without some major changes to fighters/snipers I'm not gonna be a happy mudder is all i know'

Deudermont glares about, looking for someone to strangle - Uh oh!

Chaykin says to Ruby, 'it would be kinda lame unless there's some compensation, at least for fighters :P'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'It'll depend on the sort of change that it is, I imagine.'

Sandra says, 'compensation? gimme a break'

Ruby says, 'Oh I'm all for the change but there has to be some major balance issues to deal with'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says, 'you get 40 free stat points, basically'

RogueMoon shakes his head in disagreement with Chaykin.

Zafira nods her agreement with Ruby.

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'like I said, they still need help, even with the free points'

Chaykin says, 'and without...well...'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'as I said. I want the change. But there has to be some balance changes to snipers/fighters 1st'

Sandra says, 'snipers do just fine'

Cerberus says, '40 free stat points for having zero spells, isn't that out of whack for a tradeoff'

Ruby shakes his head.

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says, 'they outhit fighters. I think they're fine'

Zafira says, 'other fighters don't'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'that's exactly the problem with fighters'

Zafira says, '-I- don't'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'I drop 20 some points and I could NEVER and i mean NEVER kill Malia. Unless I trip para'

Ea! says, 'I think you overrate the importance of maximizing your stats.'

Sandra says, 'sure you could, if you were inventive'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ruby sighs loudly.

Zeirath says, 'heck Hp could kill malia im sure =P'

Cerberus says to Ea!, 'what do you mean by maximising?'

Sandra says, 'it just takes some thought, not brute force =P'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'I may overrate them. But I feel alot of imm's underrate them'

RogueMoon says, 'making them 100'

Cerberus says to Ea!, 'Usinjg 349 stat points, etc?'

RogueMoon says, 'players can balance their own stats'

Sandra nods her agreement with RogueMoon.

Chaykin says, 'I think a lot of people don't have 100 stats. I don't.'

Chaykin says, 'it still doesn't help'

Cerberus says, 'oh I see'

Ruby says, 'I havn't used 100 stats in along time'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ruby.

Zeirath says, 'i use to have 100str 100dex 100con'

Ruby says, 'sure i have 99dex but it just happened to work out that way'

Chaykin says, 'there was a time with 100s were essential, but they're not anymore'

Ruby says, 'only fight stat i try and keep at 100 at all cost is con.'

Ruby says, 'just for hp'

Chaykin says, 'a fighter just has to kinda keep hitting, and hope his or her skills don't get tumbled a lot and that they don't get paraed'

Zafira says, 'or wfw'ed'

Zeirath says, 'elbow is a great skill for pk'

Ruby says, 'I'm just warning you on this spir change.'

RogueMoon says to Chaykin, 'when you play d and d, is it possible for you to roll a crappy hit?'

Chaykin says to RogueMoon, 'I've never played D&D :P'

Ruby says, 'mages will rules the mud unless balances changes don't go in'

Sandra says, 'or a fighter could make the mage spend all their mana, and then go in for the kill'

Cerberus says, 'yeah just run through the room for a few minutes first'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'tried that too'

RogueMoon says to Chaykin, 'my point is, that has to be based on some kind of luck'

Ea! says, 'Right now, I think, if I were to put in something that made spirit more important, I'd probably put in some of the new fight skills. But I'm not sure.'

Zeirath says, 'that is basicly what i try and do agaist mages'

Ruby nods his agreement with Ea!.

Zeirath says, 'i think they should yank safe rooms'

Ea! says, 'Other people on the staff might not have the same inclination as me.'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Zeirath.

Sandra says, 'or use something besides bash =P'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'would have to make sure fight skills would be usefull for fighters and snipers'

Zeirath says, 'or cant enter them for 10 ticks like ooc'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'I fought Carney and he kept trying to wall me in. I was running around, he must have thrown up 20-odd walls in different places. he won with like 200 mana left :P'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Zeirath says, 'carney always was thirsty and had a chalice'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'Well, there's too many of them for mages to get all of them and all of the words and things like hunt, etc. '

Zafira says, 'and with the hp/mana changes, there are tons of people running around with 700+ mana'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Zafira.

Sandra says, 'yea, but think of it this way'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'mages don't need all of them. they have a zillion spells'

Sandra says, 'they might have 700mana, but you also got more hp that they need to cut through. And each spell costs mana'

Chaykin says, 'plus this'

Sandra says, 'your skills, however, don't'

Zafira says, 'I don't'

Zafira reports: 502/502 hp 368/368 mana 586/586 mv.

Zeirath says, 'and your skills can really screw them up'

Chaykin says, 'if the mage is dex and runs out of mana, he has hit/flee to fall back on'

Ruby says to Sandra, 'naw'

Ea! says, 'Sure, but by the same logic fighters won't need all of the spells, either as they'll have a bunch of skills.'

Zeirath says, 'elbow agaist a mage'

Akai_Hayate says, 'my mage cant win worth shit, even after 3 wfw's, i must be an idiot if mages are so good for everyone else :p'

Chaykin says, 'and as we know, dex fighters tend to hit as well as str a lot of times'

RogueMoon says, 'Ea can I ask you a question?'

Zeirath says, 'and kick flee or choke flee'

Chaykin says, 'if they're con, they have their tons of hp and can tank you'

Sandra says to Zafira, 'that's what? 80 more hp than you would have had?'

Sandra says, 'so that's when you bash'

Zeirath nods his agreement with Sandra.

Zafira says to Sandra, 'would have had than what? if I were a mage?'

Zeirath says, 'if i bash odds are i will damcap'

Sandra says to Zafira, 'in the old hp formula'

Zafira says to Sandra, 'yes, but it's all relative. I gained a little, my enemies also gained--some more than others'

Ruby says, 'ok here is a question.'

Ruby says, 'who agree's that a mage wins about 50% of the time?'

Deudermont chortles at Ruby's feeble witticism.

Zafira says to Ruby, 'at least'

Cerberus says to Ruby, '3rd circle, 2nd circle or both?'

Ruby says to Cerberus, 'both. just a char in general that has a set amount of spir he/she needs'

Vandervecken says, 'wouldn't 50% indicate balance?'

Ruby nods his agreement with Vandervecken.

Ruby says, 'what I'm saying is we are close to balance right now imo'

Cerberus says to Ruby, 'well about 50% of the pkillers are mages, so if they win around half it doesn't really say much'

Zafira says, 'against me, every char type wins about 95%. Granted much of that is my lack of skill'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Ruby.

Ruby says, 'Well if you take 20 stat points from fighters/snipers and make them throw it into spir'

Ruby says, 'I'm betting mages will win more like 75% of the time'

Ruby says, 'then we lose our balance'

Ruby says, 'basicly all I'm saying is if/when this spir change goes in there will have to be some balance'

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