February 15th, 2001

Deathtraps

Rowane says, 'I guess I had one, the point of dts are to get rid of old eq right?'

Tobias says, 'and to make stuff less routine'

LadyAce says, 'no, they're more to give a consequence when people don't watch where they're going'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Rowane says, 'if thats so then why save strings?'

Tobias says, 'Cause they want to be mean, not cruel.'

Tobias nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

LadyAce says, 'they do alot of damage without taking strings, was the idea.'

Cirus says, 'did the consequence have to be so bad though'

Tobias says to Cirus, 'It isn't that bad anymore'

Rowane says, 'Just wanted to ask if it was possible to save coupons as well as strings'

Cirus nods his agreement with Tobias.

LadyAce says, 'the other reason that we did this was to give a real benefit to using coupons rather than hoarding them'

LadyAce says, 'and also so as not to make it *too* easy on you'

Rowane says, 'most people hoarde their coupons in their houses'

LadyAce says, 'sure, but why not take 'em out of the house and use them if you can't lose the string?'

LadyAce says, 'I've heard lots of people say they'll never use a coupon because they can't stand the pain of losing them to DTs.'

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Cirus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rowane says, 'my point was that most people carrying coupons are planning to use them at some time, those who hoarde keep them in houses'

Spite says, 'yeah but on the other hand doesnt saving strings reduce the value of coupons?'

Soze says, 'if you want people to use them, then why not make them unrentable in houses....'

LadyAce says, 'well, but it's not to punish you for carrying unused coupons necessarily. it's not a new penalty. it's a new bonus.'

Rowane says, 'so no thought to adding a newer bonus of coupon saving I suppose'

LadyAce says, 'well, it depends on how you look at coupons. it might make them less rare, but i'm not sure it's bad for their value.'

LadyAce says, 'we decided not to save coupons.'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'we want to encourage use, but not punish people because there's no imm on. Plus it's a lot of code encumbrance for a small gain.'

Rowane nods solemnly.

Rowane says, 'alright, im beginning to see the way you all think, I think I understand'

Soze nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Soze shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'it's a balancing act really.'

Soze says, 'it was just an idea'

Rowane says, 'explain to me the point of leaving the strings outside of the dt and not in your inventory?'

LadyAce says to Rowane, 'the reason they go to outside the DT is first off, to keep the pain in the DT somewhat, and secondly because it is hard to code.'

LadyAce says, 'some of the staff were concerned that the code was too nice, and this was a good way to save ourselves some time and answer those concerns.'

Rowane says to LadyAce, '*nod* I thought it might be similar to how lights and boats go in your inventory, but I havent looked at the code so I cant really say'

Rowane says, 'havent had a chance to test it out yet...and lets hope not any time soon, but are the strings owned?'

LadyAce says, 'yes, they are. so 3 days time.'

Rowane nods solemnly.

Rosette says, 'three days to work up the courage to go back in that area again'

Spite chuckles politely.

QuacK says, 'Sounds like it'd be profitable to hang around DT's and look for stuff that people left'

QuacK says, 'DT scavengers'

Cirus nods his agreement with QuacK.

Soze chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'I doubt it. 3 days is a long long time to not reclaim a corpse.'

Spite laughs with amusement.

Extra Line after Socials on Channels

Tobias says, 'Why's there an extra blank line for channel emotes?'

Tobias says, 'purposeful or no?'

Kaige says, 'it's gone next update'

Tobias nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'I could give you the technical reason, but it was a little thing'

Tobias says, 'it'd make 'em blend in more'

Tobias giggles at Kaige.

Rowane says to Kaige, 'how about the extra line in emoteto?'

Rowane says, 'extra space rather'

Kaige says, 'they'll also be regular channel color, and the extra space infront fo the : is gone'

Kaige says, 'AND I fixed it where if the victim has their desc on, it'll give their name on chat/info/auction... but leave it for gossip'

Kaige says to Rowane, 'did you bug it?'

Tobias nods solemnly.

QuacK says, 'cool'

Rosette says, 'I kinda liked the desc thing'

Soze cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Rowane nods his agreement with Kaige.

Praseodymium smiles happily.

PK Channel?

Dude says, 'Is it possible to start permanently keeping a pk-related channel open? like chat or gossip? that way ppl who dont wanna here all the pk spam can tune it out without muting chat'

Rosette nods her agreement with Dude.

LadyAce says, 'we create it when there's a lot of talk that should go there, or when asked.'

Rosette says, 'I still want a rp channel too'

Dude says, 'why not keep it open all the time?'

LadyAce says, 'I'm not ready and may never be ready to segregate the community like that'

Rowane says, 'whats wrong with chat?'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'exactly'

Dude says, 'yeah - but for the 75% of the mud who dont pk... its a real bummer to always hear the crap'

Rosette says, 'but by not segregating us, we get hostile'

Soze nods his agreement with Dude.

Rowane says, 'I mean what will the pkchannel consist of [pkChat] : Yo, Dude, come kill me'

QuacK says, 'yeah you have to put kids into different rooms'

Tobias says, 'then gag the people'

LadyAce says, 'You may get on each other's nerves, but I think that that's reasonable.'

LadyAce says, 'there is no other way for people to know they're crossing the line than to irritate others.'

LadyAce says, 'and if a chat of 'hey come kill me' irritates you, I don't see how you can stand to listen to chat about Britney Spears or star trek or how much you hate me :)'

Ryan chuckles politely.

Cirus giggles.

Khelben chuckles politely.

Rowane says to Soze, 'but your saying rp never does that?'

Spite chuckles politely.

Soze says to Rowane, 'almost never'

Tobias grins evilly.

Soze says to Rowane, 'and there's usually an ongoing theme in RP, not the same thing everytime as there is with pk'

Policing Channels?

Dude says, 'i'm talking about the recurring conversations about porn'

Dude says, 'and raping ppl'

Dude says, 'that spawns from pk'

Ryan says, 'Hey, RP is great, but ease up on Britney'

Ryan nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Chaykin giggles.

LadyAce says, 'the dirty sex talk doesn't belong on chat, or any other channel.'

Tobias nods his agreement with Dude.

Rosette nods her agreement with Dude.

Tobias says, 'it happens, though.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Cirus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Spite nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'we do what we can to keep it down, and I hope you'll bring it to our attention when it happens.'

Rosette says, 'especially late when no imms are around'

Rowane says, 'dunno, im pretty free with turning off things that annoy me, pkill and rp, some rp is just boring'

QuacK says, 'yeah, if you want to talk about dirty sex, let me give you my number..'

Hyssop giggles.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'for the past two weeks, every single evening, it's been nothing but that stuff'

Dude says to LadyAce, 'its sick'

Dude says, 'and really offensive'

LadyAce says, 'well, if you don't like that argument...how about the fact that if there's no one around to enforce, things will spill over to any old channel anyway, and community enforcement is the only option?'

Rowane says to Dude, 'I know its not suppose to be there, but cant you channelgag those people for the time being?'

Siachet says, 'if there are no imms on maybe you should log it and send it in?'

LadyAce says, 'I noticed it last night and did take care of it, and we can try to watch more closely.'

LadyAce says, 'if you bring it to our attention (like you're doing now) we can make it a point to watch'

Chaykin says, 'community enforcement doesn't work very well because of the bystander aspect'

QuacK says, 'I think the only solution is to make me an Immortal'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'the community cant do much thats why'

Chaykin says, 'one person tells five juveniles to pipe down, they gang up on him, and no one else wants to get involved'

Rosette says, 'and they get hostile to any mort that asks them to stop'

Cirus nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Rowane nods his agreement with Rosette.

Soze nods his agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'well, I won't tolerate it, and I'll watch for it. My bet is that it'll clean up.'

QuacK says, 'I think the mud should be programmed to auto-slay people who use sexual terms on public channels'

Chaykin cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

Rosette nods her agreement with QuacK.

Kaige says, 'the problem I keep having with find a way to give you the power to bounce them is it's just as powerful in their hands'

Chaykin says, 'no way morts should have that ability imo'

Soze nods his agreement with Kaige.

Heineken nods his agreement with Kaige.

Soze says, 'in the example chaykin gave, he'd be the one forced off'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Soze.

Cirus nods his agreement with Soze.

Heineken says, 'as long as morts are peers they can't really punish one another'

QuacK says, 'what would be cool is like.. "A notion has been raised to channelgag NAME, type "accept" to confirm your vote."'

LadyAce says, 'ugh, mob rule.'

Chaykin says to QuacK, 'again though, the little guy would be the victim'

Rowane shakes his head in disagreement with QuacK.

Siachet nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Rosette says to QuacK, 'but they outnumber us'

Tobias says, 'bad idea'

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Soze nods his agreement with Tobias.

Kaige says, 'well you can always do it in socials ways...'

QuacK says, 'and then like.. it would have to be a 2/3 vote of the number of people online'

Chaykin says, 'the times when it's really bad on chat are when there are two or more of them'

Tobias says, 'just stick with gag'

Cirus nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Praseodymium raises his hand.

Rosette says, 'it would be, I hate kid rp, lets channelgag Rosette'

Tobias comforts Rosette.

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'gag is a great passive way to deal with it, but some of us would just rather not have to hear it in the first place'

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'Gag 'em.'

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'You won't be listening to it again!'

Tobias grins evilly.

Heineken says, 'out of curiosity, if you gag someone can you see their messages on chat if you have chat on?'

Soze says, 'changag'

LadyAce says, 'I think y'all should be less shy about using channelgag.'

Kaige says, 'gag yes, gagchannel no'

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'that doesn't do anything to combat the idea in some people's heads that it's fine to behave that way'

Rosette says, 'I don't like having to gag people. It makes the channel conversations difficult'

Spite says, 'yes but with the ages of some of the offenders you are always gonna hear it'

Siachet says, 'you could make an public agreement to all channelgag the person, then they'ed realise nobody is hearing them'

Khelben nods solemnly.

QuacK says, 'I never really use gag'

Kaige nods her agreement with Rosette.

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'Its easier to ignore them than to change them.'

Rosette says, 'I'd rather just have my choice of channels, knowing ahead of time which I would like to listen to and which I wouldn't'

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'Cause you aren't gonna change 'em.'

Khelben nods his agreement with Rosette.

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'change them, no. making them behave is different'

Cirus says, 'Could someone do me a favor and define channelgag for me?'

Tobias giggles.

Khelben says, 'a lot of the problem is the ages of someo f the players most are a lot younger then we are'

Rosette nods her agreement with Khelben.

Spite nods his agreement with Khelben.

LadyAce says, 'you won't see what your target chats if you channelgag them'

Heineken nods his agreement with Khelben.

Praseodymium nods his agreement with Khelben.

Tobias says, 'hey, I resemble that remark!'

Tobias pouts at Khelben.

Cirus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'and if you're saying there's no way to change their behavior, I disagree'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Soze sinks his teeth into Tobias's flesh.

Khelben says, 'cept toby hes an old man at 17'

Cirus comforts Tobias.

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Soze says to Tobias, 'I think maturity is the question here'

Tobias grins evilly at Soze.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'I was amazed last night...'

LadyAce says, 'chat was silent except for idiots spewing filth'

Siachet goes EEK! in distress.

LadyAce says, 'I shut them up, and y'all cheered.'

Chaykin says, 'the best thing to do is foster an environment where it's not acceptable to say things like that at all'

Rosette says, 'well, when they all feed off eachother, the behavior is perpetuated'

Chaykin says, 'among ourselves'

Heineken says, 'because the rest of us turned it off :)'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'Exactly.'

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'Isn't that what we do already?'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'everyone turned it off, besides those spewing filth...'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says, 'and publicly'

LadyAce says, 'I found myself wishing you'd all spoken up earlier and complained.'

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'no'

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'what you do is gag people'

LadyAce says, 'well, enough people had it on to cheer :)'

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'Actually, I don't gag anyone.'

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'and that does nothing to help the problem'

Tobias giggles.

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'well it was your suggestion'

QuacK nods his agreement with Tobias.

Khelben says, 'on occasion i will say something to an imm or if i see an illusion i think is out of line'

Chaykin shrugs in response to Tobias's words.

Cirus nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Khelben says, 'i cant dispel illusions so im kind of stuck there'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'umm.. but if we turn it off or gag those involved, how will we complain?'

Tobias says to Chaykin, 'For you to gag them if you don't want to listen. I just ignore 'em.'

Khelben says, 'but ive seen some bad ones'

QuacK says, 'I don't gag people because I like to know what's being said'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'you forget that the mud is seperated into two societies almost, the silent majority and the vocal minority, those in the latter dont care generally about thinking for others benifit'

LadyAce says, 'well, you could let them know that you are channelgagging them because of (X)'

Rosette nods her agreement with QuacK.

Soze rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'maybe we should do something about that?'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'that just encourages them'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'presumably you don't need to hear everything they always say to complain'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'good luck with that'

Praseodymium says, 'well i think that you should just glue em'

Praseodymium chuckles politely.

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'better than sitting around twiddling my thumbs hoping they go away'

Rowane nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'good point, you have my support'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'not to be rude, but the more we tell them they are childlish, spammy and we'd rather not see it, the more they love it'

LadyAce says, 'the silent majority is a bit TOO silent right now :P'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rosette says to Soze, 'exactly'

Cirus nods his agreement with Soze.

Siachet says to Soze, 'its because they are looking for attention'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'I think you'll find that there are some people who won't care, but some will.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Soze says to LadyAce, 'so, telling them we gagged them would just be heaven to them'

Tobias says, 'brb, fetching yummy ice cream!'

LadyAce says, 'some people are leading it, others are caught up in it.'

Tobias giggles.

Kaige says, 'see that's why i think it has to be something that hurts them as well'

Rowane says, 'the point is that immortals are the only ones who can enforce it, its nice to say that the players can but lets be realistic'

Rosette says, 'a notch in the bedpost. Yay, another person gagged me!'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes a harsh word from someone they respect will remind them.'

Khelben says, 'always eating toby'

Tobias pouts at Khelben.

Chaykin says, 'the thing to do is, when someone speaks up and asks them to stop the filthy talk, other people need to support them instead of letting them get torn to pieces over chat'

Khelben giggles at Tobias.

Tobias says to Khelben, 'I am not always eating!'

Tobias giggles.

Heineken says, 'but they don't respect anyone...'

QuacK waves a welcome to Ea!. Hello!

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Cirus comforts Tobias.

Tobias says, 'brb!'

Khelben says, 'usually thats what happens'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'I wouldn't be so sure about that.'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'your right, but it really is easy to just channelgag them'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'who says the best option is the easiest one?'

LadyAce says, 'I think it's worth at least making a conscious choice.'

Fuego says to Heineken, 'thats not true... im a jerk and if enough people are against me, i'll usually get fed up and leave rather then continue'

Praseodymium says, 'well speaking as prolly the most annoying person on mud i feel that if you are annoyed with them just tell them to stop if they dont listen and just keep pestering you you should either gag them or tell an imm to tell them to stop....'

Rowane nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'not getting past your stone wall so Ill just agree'

LadyAce says, 'channelgag or report or complain or fight, but do *something*'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Fuego.

Rosette says, 'another problem, is that newbies who come to try out Legend will see the immaturity on channels before anything else.'

Siachet nods her agreement with Rosette.

Cirus nods his agreement with Rosette.

Rowane nods his agreement with Rosette.

Rowane says to Rosette, 'good point'

Rosette says, 'so we'll end up driving away the mature players, and attracting the immature ones'

Chaykin says, 'that's exactly why gagging them isn't enough'

Soze nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Praseodymium says, 'well then threaten them'

Siachet says, 'lots of people make their decision in the first few mins based on what they see on chat'

Khelben says, 'i thought gagging was gonna be tracked'

LadyAce says, 'It's a problem alright, and it's another reason why telling them to knock it off is better than avoiding it.'

Rowane says to Rosette, 'I think we've been doing that for to long'

Qwine says, 'wow, thats a lot of ooc people'

Kaige says, 'do we really believe this bunch of disruptive players is really the minority at any given time?'

Chaykin says, 'there are more constructive ways than making threats'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'it's tracked but the data isn't used'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'which brings us right back to "just gag them"'

Khelben nods solemnly.

Khelben says, 'i might gag someone for 2 seconds and ungag everyone the next minute'

Soze says, 'a thing we should do, but can't because we should do *something* about it'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

Praseodymium says, 'if they wont stop warn them then if they do it again delete them dont give them a bunch of chances'

Rowane says to Kaige, 'generaly yeah, you hear 4 or 5 of them, and then there will be about 45 other players online at the same time'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'no, it doesn't. But if you are sick of the filth and they won't stop, it's better to gag them than turn off chat.'

Ryan grumbles.

Tobias says, 'back'

Kaige says, 'well cause I'm thinking if they're really the minority, then making a high enough percentage of people online channel gagging them could automatically remove their channel privileges without direct imm intervention... BUT'

Chaykin says, 'the only reason they don't stop is because no one stands up to them'

Khelben says, 'oh do we haev a decision on that truffle contest i have truffles to return to some people'

Khelben giggles.

Kaige says, 'it would truly have to be them in the minority fo it to not backfire'

Khelben says, 'and they are heavy'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'are there any limitations to the gag-list.... like ammount?'

Khelben says, 'none on gag but i think its 30 enemies'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'i don't think there's any way to guarantee that. or to deal with a silent, agreeing, nonvoting majority.'

Khelben says, 'ive come to that limit a few times'

Qwine says, '64 enemies I think'

Spite says, 'you could always get really violent abd report to an imm who takes away their channels :)'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'And then we need to worry about people trying to convince other people to gag someone, etc...'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'for memory saving purposes, yes. we could increase it if it's being reached alot'

Rosette says, 'I have 2 friends and no enemies'

Ea! says, 'I think there's a limit to gag, but it's pretty high.'

Soze looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'true.. or just a command to put a black mark against someone's name for it without actually gagging them?'

Khelben says, 'i erally want to see a clear command for the enemy/friend list'

Khelben says, 'i have people i dont even think exist anymore'

Soze says, 'do you perchance log public channels?'

Kaige says to Khelben, 'I looked into it, but I couldn't make heads of tails fo that code'

Ea! says to Khelben, 'It should remove people who aren't around any more automatically.'

Kaige says to Soze, 'nope.'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Chaykin says, 'I still think gag should be a last resort. This so-called silent majority needs to inform these people that their sort of language isn't welcome here'

Khelben says, 'shane being older has more wierd names on it then i do'

Praseodymium says, 'well just tell them to come back to mud when there mature enough and like scream and yell at them theyll get it....'

Ea! says, 'Though that might just be accept/reject not befriend/repudiate... I need to update the later code.'

Khelben says, 'and why doesnt that go away when a person permas'

Khelben says, 'i could recreate quimby and someone will have him gagged from the old char'

Siachet says, 'the trouble is they want attention and if you scream at them its giving them attention'

Tobias pouts at the welcome board petulantly.

QuacK says, 'I forgot what my question was :P'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'that's intentional.'

Rosette nods her agreement with Siachet.

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'there are different levels of what is considered obscene and annoying, that might be a problem'

Ea! says, 'Gag works differently -- it doesn't keep a list of players but a list of names.'

Chaykin says to Siachet, 'only if only one or two people do it. if there are a lot, they will go away'

Soze says to Kaige, 'just an idea.... how about a "bot" that logs the last 500'ish lines on public channels, and you can tell it with a copy/paste of the channel you'd want logged, it compares it with regex or whatever and logs it....'

Rowane says, 'not everyone will always agree'

Ea! says, 'For just that purpopse.'

Chaykin says to Rowane, 'the stuff I've seen on chat lately is sick'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'we could give people the ability to ask a mmob to log a channel.'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'use logger'

Soze says to Kaige, 'that way "important" public channel messages would be seen by you'

Khelben says, 'hehe wiz gagged me on my first creation 3 creations later im ' i'll agree somewhats'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'ooo'

Rowane says to Chaykin, 'I might have missed it actually'

Khelben says, 'and lately its been so spammy i just turn em off'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Rowane.

Khelben says, '5 people in the same room doing socials on a channel is nuts'

Soze nods his agreement with Khelben.

Kaige says, 'we can automatically log channels now.. but we don't unless there's something speicific we want to do, like an event or something like that'

Cerberus says to Khelben, 'it will pass'

Heineken nods his agreement with Khelben.

Chaykin says, 'that'll simmer down'

Chaykin says, 'I like the mob logging idea'

Khelben says, 'i hope so cause i like it, but the nvelty should hopefully wear off'

Kaige says, 'mobs don't see channels'

Chaykin says, 'eww'

Soze says to Kaige, 'just an idea... that way even though no imms are on, non-imms could "rat" on the culprits'

Chaykin says, 'some other way?'

Cerberus says, 'create an invisible imm bot then'

Soze says to Kaige, 'and not just fake a chat message and "log" it'

Cerberus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cerberus says, 'not sure how you tell to an invis imm however'

Kaige says, 'pray]'

LadyAce says, 'could make it a command I guess.'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

Cerberus says, 'we can call him harvey the wonder hamster'

Siachet says, 'pray logchat'

LadyAce says, 'and grant it to some set of people.'

Rowane says, 'people might abuse the immbot though'

Tobias rolls around laughing at Cerberus's joke.

Cirus giggles.

QuacK says, 'what would you pray? "Log chat"'

Khelben peers intently at a fine woolen carpet.

Soze says to Rowane, 'how so?'

Siachet says, 'if people kept using it for no reason it would be like making a false complaint'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'some set of people?'

QuacK says, 'how would you chose the 'set' of people?'

LadyAce says, 'well, we've got a LOT of diskspace, and we could probably tell who asked us to do it if they were abusing it.'

Kaige says, 'one of the things I know they do on UO is this:... when you log a complaint to the GMs about someone it automtically sends an emtil to them with the last 10 minutes of your scroll back and theirs'

Cerberus says, 'another point, who actually has the time to go through a bazillion lines of logs on chat to look for things?'

Khelben nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'well, we already do that.'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'interesting'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'and if someone tells us when it happens, it's not all that much to read.'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'more can't be nice though'

Spite says, 'set it to look for a list of keywords'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'we have to pass a spam-processing test before we can be imms.'

Rowane says to Soze, 'say you have to pray a password to activate the bot, then other people might find about the password, and now you have the bot logging a lot of useless stuff that can possibly a strain on memory'

Kaige says, 'spam is your friend'

Kaige giggles.

LadyAce says, 'then we get cussing with @ signs in it'

Kaige is staggered by Tobias's spam!

LadyAce says, 'I don't even like typing up lists of icky words, much less every combination :P'

Soze says to Rowane, 'oh, I thought you were talking about the bot idea I was talking about'

Tobias says to Kaige, 'D'oh, you missed the xplay and harassment! Minus 5 points!'

QuacK says, 'or you get stuff like fcuk'

Cerberus says, 'doesn't really work unless everyone has equal access to it'

Khelben nods solemnly.

Rosette says, 'sometimes it isn't the word, but the content'

Khelben says, 'which is why i dont like ahole to me thats cursing calling someone an ass is a little differnt'

Rowane says to Soze, 'think I missed that, let me backscroll'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Rosette.

Siachet says, 'thats the name of a clothing compnay...french connection uk :)'

Khelben says, 'but someimes it feels good to call someone an ahole'

Khelben grins evilly at Chaykin.. wonder what he's thinking...

Soze says to Kaige, 'did you lose my idea in the spam?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Soze.

Chaykin says, 'most of the dirty talk I've heard lately had no swearing in it, but it didn't need any to be utterly disgusting'

Soze flops about helplessly.

Heineken says, 'hmmm...giving morts a command to create logs sounds dangerous to me...wouldn't be too hard to log then spam and maybe crash the mud'

Soze says to Kaige, 'just an idea.... how about a "bot" that logs the last 500'ish lines on public channels, and you can tell it with a copy/paste of the channel you'd want logged, it compares it with regex or whatever and logs it....'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Tobias nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Fuego says to Khelben, 'hey! last time i called you an ahole i got glued :P'

QuacK says, 'yeah, some of us are verbosely skilled to get around keywords'

Khelben cackles gleefully at Fuego - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Soze says, '_IF_ it matches anything in the buffer'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'It'd take gigs and gigs of chat to fill the mud, and text files are tiny'

Ea! says, 'Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it seems to me like people who are cursing are getting limited from channels pretty quickly and frequently -- is the problem really cursing or insults and immaturity?'

Kaige says to Soze, 'I'd rather see it more like I explained with UO... I don't know how feasible that is tho...'

Tobias says to Ea!, 'Immaturity.'

Cerberus says to Ea!, 'immaturity'

Kaige says, 'immaturity'

Fuego nods his agreement with Tobias.

Rosette says to Ea!, 'insults and immaturity'

QuacK nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'the problem is disgusting sexual innuendo and immaturity'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'and when someone complains, they rip into that person'

Soze says to Kaige, 'UO?'

Kaige says to Soze, 'Ultima Online'

Soze says, 'hmm'

LadyAce says, 'ok, let me draw this discussion to a close.'

LadyAce says, 'I think that the next steps are these:'

LadyAce says, 'we'll work on some of the ideas brought up, and we'll make a more focused effort on enforcement, and see how it goes.'

Chaykin smiles happily.

Tobias nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Cirus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'sounds good to me'

Tobias says, 'Can I be part of the chat gestapo?'

Tobias giggles.

Soze cheers for Tobias - huzzah!

Affects and the OOC

QuacK says, 'I understand that you cannot go OOC with spell effects'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

QuacK says, 'because then it would prolong the life of the spell effect'

Khelben says, 'you can with str armor and bless'

Cerberus says, 'there is one other way to do it, which I probably should have bugged ages ago'

Khelben says, 'i think it should be allowed with sustained breath it takes forever to go away'

QuacK says, 'what about permanent effects from certain items?'

Qwine says, 'you just have to bite the bullet and rent those off'

Qwine says, 'you have to remove items that give those affects'

QuacK says, 'it's a pain to remove those items and put them back on'

QuacK says, 'Could there be like a whatchama Permission thing to go OOC and cancel the spell effect?'

Ea! says, 'We're probably going to be changing the way sustained breath works so that it wears off when you leave the water.'

Qwine cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'neat'

Khelben says, 'what about the spell and in pd you need it on you'

Ea! says, 'Just haven't gotten around to it yet.'

QuacK says, 'like "Going OOC will end your Detect Hidden, Are you sure you want to do this? (Y/N)"'

Qwine says, 'that'll suck to have to cast it constantly'

Ea! says, 'I'm not sure about the spell.'

Khelben says, 'and i kind of like being able to recast str when i see its going away'

Tobias says to QuacK, 'That's a good idea.'

Ea! says, 'Doing anything that requires a y/n is tricky.'

Qwine nods his agreement with Ea!.

Qwine says, 'boolean!'

Qwine throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Tobias says to Ea!, 'How about OOC just cancels it all?'

Tobias says to Ea!, 'Speeds up the whole process.'

Ea! says, 'what happens if someone attacks you while you're in your y/n prompt?'

Khelben says, 'then you have the negative spells curse blind poison etc thats not fair'

LadyAce says, 'we could have an option from the rent menu to enter the game in the OOC.'

Ea! says, 'Some affects are malignant so having ooc end them would be a problem.'

Tobias says to Khelben, 'You usually can't go OOC when those happen, anyways.'

LadyAce says, 'so you'd rent and choose that instead of 'enter the game' -- and your spell affs wouldn't kick in from your eq.'

Qwine says, 'if (in_water == true) {return true;} else {return false;}'

Khelben nods solemnly.

Heineken cheers for Qwine - huzzah!

Ea! says to LadyAce, ''cept it would want to equipt you before it put you in the ooc and would cause problems.'

Khelben grumbles.

Problem with Melbourne Quest?

Khelben says, 'ok its another quest thingy'

Khelben says, 'i started one of the quests in australia today, i basically had to stop it a while back'

Khelben says, 'im told to follow someone but nothing happens when i do'

Rosette says to Khelben, 'the aborigine?'

Cerberus says to Khelben, 'I did it too, waiting forever then gave up'

Khelben says, 'so i dont know what to do from there'

Khelben nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'you prolly followed the wrong one'

Khelben says, 'the bushrangers'

Tobias says, 'the bring-a-friend quest.'

LadyAce says, 'Deanna is really good about fixing bugs you find in her quests, if you report what's happening.'

Qwine says, 'you have to have a friend for the bushranger quest'

Qwine says, 'its a 2 person quest'

Tobias says, 'I was there.'

Tobias giggles.

Khelben says, 'i dont know what to report cept i started the quest had to quit, came back it said to follow him i did nothin goes on'

Tobias hugs Khelben.

Qwine says, 'oh :)'

Spirit Requirements?

Qwine says, 'I heard a little while back you plan on making spirit required for fighters, was just wondering if when you did anythign else was planned on being changed to strength them for the stat's they'll lose and the more important question if'

Qwine says, 'you have any time table set for it'

Qwine says, 'sorry ea, this one is probably all you :P'

Khelben says, 'i dont like that'

Qwine says, 'I'm all for it'

Khelben says, 'i dont see spirit having to do with sfighters'

Qwine says, 'but then again I was all for the hp change and I don't agree with it, oh well :P'

LadyAce says, 'I think we want to make it more useful to people, but we're not ready to make big changes in that area yet.'

Khelben says, 'and most fight gear is minus spirit'

Heineken nods his agreement with Khelben.

Tobias says, 'why not make it possible to have strength spirit fighters, instead of restricting them?'

Ea! says, 'We don't have any plans or ideas at the moment.'

Praseodymium nods his agreement with Khelben.

Qwine says, 'so if it was to happen it would be really far down the line?'

Khelben says, 'way too much gear is - spirit'

Tobias says, 'Tara seems to have the whole set up going.'

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'martials arts. but it's not imped'

LadyAce says, 'we'd have to make eq changes, I agree.'

Ea! says, 'I don't know, it would depend on what we came up with.'

Tobias nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Cerberus says, 'I tell ya, just make a series of 3 skills, spirit based that regen hitpoints FAST.'

Fuego says, 'ok friends is over, time to bug the mud'

Rowane says, 'think I said this last time, but if your going to put the spirit thing in, just make it as a bonus for having spirit, and not punishing people with low spirit'

Khelben says, 'making a mage is harder now evertything is minus perc and spirit'

Praseodymium says, 'yep i wanted to be a dex spir but couldnt because all the eq was minus spir it sucks'

Qwine snickers at Khelben nastily.

Qwine says, 'that is not even true'

Khelben says, 'it is'

Qwine says, 'mages are easy to equip because they need every stat'

Ea! says, 'If you decide to have 3 con, it hurts you.'

Praseodymium gets a double chocolate truffle from a deerskin bag.

Ea! says, 'That should be true for all stats.'

Praseodymium nibbles on a double chocolate truffle - he must be hungry.

LadyAce says, 'okie, let's get Soze's question now.'

Qwine says, 'their are 2 stats that are worthless in this game, spirit and strength unless you are a fighter'

Soze chuckles politely.

Chaykin says, 'I think anything done to fighters should at the very least be accompanied by an increase in their fighting ability'

Qwine says, 'strength can be 20 and you can be an excellent char, spirit can be 0 and you can be an excellent char'

Khelben says, 'getting 100 mind is simple, getting 100 con and 100 mind is hard, getting 100 mind 100 con and keeping 43 spirit and 40 perc is blah'

Ea! says, 'We'll do other things if we need to to keep fighters viable.'

Tobias says, '99 mind, 102 con'

Tobias flexes his bulging, impressive muscles.

Khelben says, 'nott o mention 40 str so i can move around the darn place'

Rowane says to Qwine, 'true, but str you need to wield even light weapons one handed'

Praseodymium says, 'not if you wanna be str spir'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

LadyAce says, 'sssh, it's Soze's turn to talk. We could argue eq sets for ages.'

Fuego says, 'spirit can be negative and you can be a god'

Fuego points proudly at himself.

Qwine says, 'most mages have the strength spell rowane'

Fuego scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Rowane says to Qwine, 'all of them? or just cause?'

Hawklin says to Qwine, 'not create'

Khelben says, 'just cause'

Rowane nods solemnly.

Rowane says, 'thats what I thought'

Fuego says, 'just cause, but creates are worthless :P'

Cumference says to Fuego, 'shuttup creates rock'

Cumference says, 'create IMO is a very good pker'

Fuego says, 'everything there is to being a mage, cause mages do petter'

Cumference says, 'and mobkiller and money runner :)'

Fuego says, 'better*'

Cumference says to Fuego, 'k lets fite i be 3c create u be 3c cause :P'

Fuego says, 'ok, go level my 3c cause to 50'

Friends & Housing

Soze says, 'any chance we could have "families" add to friends, so those actually living in the same house married and soforth can actually be able to put stuff on shelves and don't need their poor wife to pick a feather duster off the floor to p'

Soze says, 'put it in a chest or things like that.'

Fuego says to Cumference, 'do not...'

Khelben giggles at Soze.

LadyAce says, 'that's a bug we need to fix...'

LadyAce says, 'not a reason for a new piece of infrastructure.'

Ea! says to Soze, 'friends should be able to take stuff from furniture, it's just broken.'

Khelben says, 'you can take it just not put it back'

Soze says to Ea!, 'they can get things, they just can't put'

Khelben says, 'i wont steal tobias' dr pepper case til i can do that'

Tobias giggles at Khelben.

Soze says to Ea!, 'so basically, friends are allowed to do what I'm asking for, it's just broken?'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'Yes.'

Soze bounces around.

How's Germany Update?

Rowane says, 'How's that german area coming along?'

LadyAce says to Rowane, 'It's coming along nicely, except I decided to go and move a big section of it, and I have more testing to do. But my bigbadbug is fixed.'

Rowane nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'bigbadbug?'

Rowane wishes LadyAce good luck!

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'turned out to be I was the first person to use a feature which we discovered was broken.'

Problems with the Warg Quest?

Hawklin says to LadyAce, 'about the warg quest after you unwarg is your align supposed to stay -1000?'

Praseodymium says, 'it doesnt'

Praseodymium says, 'mine didnt and i just did it'

Kaige says, 'I had to check into that for someone the other night and the answer is no.'

Chaykin chuckles politely at LadyAce's feeble witticism.

Cerberus says to Praseodymium, 'how many times have you done the quest?'

Praseodymium says, 'ALOT'

Praseodymium says, 'once with this char though :P'

Cerberus nods solemnly.

Praseodymium smirks.

LadyAce says to Hawklin, 'I can't really tell you what a quest does.'

Hawklin says to Kaige, 'i think it should leave it as -1000 cause to get the -1000 you have to wear that stupid -40 odd shape thingie'

Chaykin says, 'I'm certain two of my chars did that quest and stayed at -1000 after unwarging'

Praseodymium says, 'you do not'

Kaige says to Hawklin, 'those are the choices you have to make'

Khelben says, 'there are ways to get evil fast'

Praseodymium says, 'you dont have to wear it stupid'

Praseodymium says, 'that wolf thing just has to be in inv'

Kaige says, 'until I fix it'

Skill Trees?

Praseodymium says, 'umm are you guys still working on the mytho skill trees and how long till there gonna be in 2 years or something?'

Kaige says to Praseodymium, 'when they're done'

Rowane winces in sympathy with Praseodymium.

Praseodymium chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'we're not working on them, just planning to in the future.'

Ea! says, 'I'd be suprised if we were much further along in two years than we are now.'

Praseodymium pouts.

Praseodymium says, 'bleh'

Praseodymium says, 'why dont you people work on them you have chars too :P'

Ea! says, 'too many other things to work on and too few time.'

Praseodymium says, 'well change time and space'

Praseodymium chuckles politely.

Khelben says, 'oh this place has gone pretty far from 2 years ago'

Tobias says, 'done...and done'

Tobias nods his agreement with Khelben.

Cerberus nods his agreement with Khelben.

Praseodymium nods solemnly.

Khelben says, 'some are good soem aren't so good'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Khelben.

Khelben says, 'im jsut getting used to playing shane again, its hard though not being able to heal'

Khelben says, 'except for tuesday we seldom crash anymore'

Loss of Perc on Death?

Khelben says, 'ok when i died earlier (and this is something i noticed a few times), i reentered the game and immediately my perc goes down 6. Why is that?

Khelben says, 'no other stat changes'

Praseodymium nods his agreement with Khelben.

Praseodymium says, 'me too'

Khelben says, 'i need that perc to heal or soemthing'

Khelben says, 'and i believe its the only stat'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'I'm not sure why that would be, it really sounds like bad luck.'

Qwine says, 'it sounds impossible'

Praseodymium says, 'mine does it to'

Kaige says, 'and just perc?'

LadyAce says, 'report it as a bug and we can take a look'

Cerberus says, 'doesn't sound like luck, sounds buggy to me'

Khelben says, 'doesnt seem right that one stat would drop upon reentering the game'

Chaykin says, 'uh, how would luck affect something like that?'

Siachet says, 'I've had characters lose spells instantly after dying, but I didn't note what stat was repsonsible'

Qwine cackles gleefully at Chaykin - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

LadyAce says, 'luck in that maybe you hit the tick with your eq off at a bad time'

Qwine says to Chaykin, 'your old, I bet you don't have 244 base points either'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'then all stats would move though'

LadyAce says, 'and maybe perc is the first thing or last thing it checks.'

Khelben says, 'ive played mages so i know what to look for when i cant cast something'

Qwine says, 'to lose 6 perc would be 2 ticks minimum'

Fuego nods his agreement with Qwine.

Chaykin says to Qwine, 'I'm not that old :P'

LadyAce says, 'that's why I said luck.'

Khelben says, 'i dont feel like dying to prove it, fuego go ahead'

Qwine says, 'but he said he lost it instantly as in when he logged in'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Qwine shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says to Khelben, 'and only when you die?'

Khelben says, 'i logged in london, went back to the vampire tried to cure crit myself i had 400 mana'

Fuego says, 'uhh, i have like negative xp, im not gonna go die :P'

Khelben says, 'i should of been able to get some out before it dropped'

Khelben says, 'actually my other stats seemed to drop slowly'

Khelben says, 'i died twice but eventually feared that blasted mob out of its room'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'we'll take a look.'

Harassment or Evil RP?

Fuego says, 'umm, i had an issue with harassment, yet once again, is there something i can do to prove im not harassing someone?'

Fuego says, 'like in todays situation...'

Cerberus says to Fuego, 'log everytime you play'

LadyAce says, 'well, if an imm gets a complaint, they can make a ruling.'

Fuego says, 'today i saw asguard and silvaria...'

LadyAce says, 'I'd definitely make logs when you can'

Fuego says, 'so i frenched silvaria, and asguard yelled at me'

Fuego says, 'understandable...'

Cerberus logs 100% of the time.

Rosette says, 'don't go around frenching people!'

Rosette runs over Fuego with her trike, knocking him down.

Camaris chuckles politely.

Fuego says, 'so keeping up the situation i say that silvaria told me to and faked a tell from her'

Chaykin pets Rosette lovingly.

Fuego says, 'and he accused me of harassment and stormed off'

Rosette bounces onto Chaykin's lap.

Fuego says, 'really pisses me off when that crap happens'

Khelben says, 'i thought that was silly and stupid'

Fuego says, 'i just dont get it on this mud'

Rosette says, 'would you french a woman irl, when her hubby is standing right there?'

Khelben says, 'i dont know what he did'

Fuego says, 'are people so ignorant that if there is a bad guy that opposes your RP, its harassment?'

LadyAce says, 'don't fake tells from people'

Soze nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'maybe you should just know when to back off :P'

LadyAce says, 'if they think your RP is harassment, you still have to stop.'

Camaris nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'RP is no excuse for making people IRL feel harassed.'

Fuego says, 'well people IRL shouldnt be so ignorant when they log on'

LadyAce says, 'avoid people who don't appreciate your style if you think they're unreasonably sensitive.'

Soze peers at Fuego, looking him up and down.

Fuego says, 'if i did that i would sit in the observation deck, and turn tells off'

Rosette says, 'and many people consider tells ooc, so anything you do having to do with them is ooc'

Tobias smiles at Tira.

LadyAce says, 'You should leave them alone when they ask.'

Soze says to Fuego, 'no offense, but you not knowing when to back off would make you the ignorant'

Cumference says to Fuego, 'leave me a lone'

Khelben pushes Fuego away from him.

Fuego says to Soze, 'back off? people should think that when they log on, they're sposed to see this world where everyone holds hands and rejoices?'

Fuego says, 'its disgusting'

Ryan says, 'I would actually agree, to a point...'

Praseodymium says, 'half the fun of this game is hating people'

Fuego thanks Praseodymium heartily.

Praseodymium grins evilly.

Kaige says to Praseodymium, 'hating CHARACTERS,... not people'

Kaige says, 'BIG difference'

Praseodymium nods his agreement with Kaige.

Cerberus nods his agreement with Kaige.

Heineken nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin says to Fuego, 'it's not like that. most people are reasonable, but just don't push people when it's obvious they have no appetite for it'

Tobias says to Praseodymium, 'Yeah. Like hating YOU!'

Rosette says, 'we don't think that, but show some decency'

Tobias punches Praseodymium in the face - better stand back!

Soze says to Fuego, 'i agree that it's a very romantic illusion, but still faking tells, is _not_ the way'

Tobias giggles at Praseodymium.

Praseodymium growls at Tobias. Better leave before the fighting starts!

Tobias goes EEK! in distress.

Tobias says, 'Harassment!'

Tobias ducks to the ground.

Tobias looks playful.

Soze says, 'IC I hate tobias'

Praseodymium says, 'i know'

Fuego says, 'it was a measly joke... there was no comment about their player'

Sandra says, 'There's a point though. You have to know where that line is that says stop. People come here to enjoy themselves, and even hating someone ic is enjoyment. But if it isn't fun for them, then what's the point?'

Khelben says, 'i jst dont think people shouldbe able to cry harassment all the time'

Tobias pouts at Soze.

Praseodymium says, 'i have friends with some chars and totaly hate them with others'

Fuego thanks Khelben heartily.

Soze says to Tobias, 'because he's evil and he knows it, and he don't do anything about it!'

Soze bonks Tobias on the head!

Praseodymium says, 'they just cant tell whos who so its kinda fun to screw with there little feeble minds'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'there is a big difference between good manners and enforced rules.'

Cerberus says, 'too many people abuse the word harassment here'

Fuego says, 'and i have really crappy manners, i WANT people to hate me'

Praseodymium nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Fuego says, 'specially dusk'

Tobias says to Cerberus, 'That sounds like harassment to me!'

Fuego slaps Dusk.

LadyAce says, 'we might not warn you for a situation like that, but you were definitely guilty of rudeness.'

Khelben says, 'thething called plagasgraw an ass on chat'

Cumference says to Fuego, 'k i'll hate u :P'

Dusk says to LadyAce, 'no such thing'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'is that a crime?'

Soze says to Fuego, 'furthermore when people are being mean to eachother RP wise they usually haev an OOC plan, instead of just spamming insults at eachother, your way leaves no idea that it's not personal'

LadyAce says, 'and they're free to treat you like a rude person.'

Khelben says, 'she didnt like it suddenl its harassment, yyet from my mside i saw her not being bvery nice to him either'

LadyAce pats Dusk on the head.

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'i am a rude person! why cant there be opposition to these people that want to hold hands and sing?'

Praseodymium says, 'ill kill you fuego go ooc i dare you'

Praseodymium rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Dusk snuggles up to LadyAce.

Praseodymium hides from Fuego...

Fuego says to Soze, 'i have never ONCE in my time here insulted someones player'

Rosette nods her agreement with Soze.

Sandra says to Fuego, 'there can be. You just gotta know your limits'

Fuego says, 'cept cumference cause he is a dork'

Tobias laughs at Fuego.

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'i wouldn't waste your time trying to convince them to enjoy being bothered.'

Soze says to Fuego, 'there's lots of room for that imho, and IC I do the same, but i've never been reported for harrassment...... yet'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Soze's head.

Chaykin says, 'hehe'

Khelben says, 'if you put people's rp down and expect them to sit there and accept it its wrong, i think she was making fun of the fact that he was the caretaker of minako's and west's house'

Qwine says, 'some people deserve to be harrassed and its worth the punishment, you just have to take it in stride'

Khelben says, 'and that it was nominated for an expie'

Tobias nods his agreement with Khelben.

Dusk says, 'what is rp?'

Qwine says, 'its like any other rule, if you plan on breaking it, plan on paying for it'

Praseodymium says, 'i like bothering people but i cant controle it i have mental disabalities heh'

Sandra says to Dusk, 'the other white meat'

Khelben says, 'and a bad spelling problem :P'

Dusk grins evilly at Sandra.. wonder what he's thinking...

Cumference says, 'doesn't take a man to start a fight, but it does to face the consequences.'

Praseodymium nods his agreement with Khelben.

Praseodymium says, 'that too'

Tobias says to Sandra, 'I'd like some RP with some fries, please.'

Fuego says, 'i just think there should be some kind of warning on the welcome or something, that people cant whine about harassment every two seconds'

Sandra giggles.

Fuego says, 'it makes it unenjoyable for people like me'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'i RP the bad guy... ALWAYS'

Cerberus says, 'its hard Rping evil sometimes'

Dusk says, 'who was whining? I didn't do it!!'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Dusk's head.

Soze nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Khelben says, 'you just gotta learn who you can mess with and who you can't'

LadyAce says, 'you should send them a tell and say you're sorry, you're actually RPing evil and didn't mean to offend them.'

Fuego says, 'when i RP the bad guy, and get yelled at for harassment, im not having fun'

Cerberus says, 'I never find people I can mess with'

Khelben says, 'see she will stomp on my toes'

Chaykin says, 'when you RP a jerk there are some people who have a hard time putting that kind of behavior in an entirely IC context, maybe they're a little oversenstitive but that doesn't absolve you of responsibility to not make them feel abused'

Praseodymium says, 'you can always mess with me if you wanna die'

Fuego says, 'do i report the people who reported me?'

Praseodymium smiles happily.

Soze says to Fuego, 'perhaps you should reconsider how you do it'

LadyAce says, 'if they whine harassment, then they DO NOT know that you are only intending to RP.'

Heineken says, 'It makes it unenjoyable for people who harass? Isn't that the point?'

Cerberus cackles gleefully at Praseodymium - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Soze sinks his teeth into Cerberus's flesh.

Khelben says, 'and it seems there is mroe credence to who reports first as the problems i had with haley, which i will say maybe i took her the wrong way maybe not i jsut decided to be nice and not report it'

Rosette says, 'if people hate me ic, I prefer if they have some reason for it. If you're just being rude in general, I'll suspect it is ooc'

Khelben nods solemnly.

Soze nods his agreement with Rosette.

Fuego says, 'so then, how about i write a post on the news board with all my chars saying "I AM THE BAD GUY! I AM NOT HARASSING YOU"'

Chaykin says to Khelben, 'heh if you reported me all the times you've gotten mad at me...'

Dusk says, 'not necessarily true'

Chaykin shudders.

Khelben says, 'not pass it on from alt to alt i dont like that'

Dusk says, 'bah, i act nothing like i do here.... :P'

Khelben grins evilly at Chaykin.. wonder what he's thinking...

Soze says to Fuego, 'just saying I'm evil, don't make it so'

Khelben says, 'i jsut call you bad names'

Chaykin giggles at Khelben.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'I'd use polite tells if I were you.'

Rosette says, '...if I reported Khelben every time he pulled my hair...'

Soze says to Fuego, 'and don't justify you being harrassive'

Praseodymium says, 'me either i act totaly dif rl dont i Ladyace :P'

Praseodymium smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'it's a bit hard for them to go thinking it's rp if you fake tells.'

Khelben says, 'imagine if everytime i pulled your hair i got a good portion of it, i can see a bald rosette'

Fuego says, 'its not enjoyable when i have to send a tell to someone saying "hey, play along. im the bad guy"'

Rosette nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'yeah that is sorta crossing a line'

Rosette goes EEK! at bouncing red curls - you wonder what it ever did to her.

Tobias comforts Rosette.

Khelben says, 'i woul have a nice wig of red curls'

Ryan says to Fuego, 'I personally like your style of rudeness... but maybe if it seems someone is taking it ooc, send em a tell saying 'nothing personal, being a jerk' or something? Sounds like a waste, but maybe that would avoid being labled 'hara'

Soze says to Fuego, 'again, perhaps you should reconsider your methods?'

Cerberus says to Fuego, 'you have to do it though, otherwise people don't clue in'

Praseodymium says, 'im a schizophrenic psycopathic so its hard for me to not wanna hurt people and do bad things'

Ryan says to Fuego, ''harassment''

Dusk says, 'i have never thought fuego rude.'

Ryan nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Khelben says, 'iand i admit on my birthday i took fuegos comment the wrong way'

Dusk shrugs helplessly.

Ryan says, 'I did, and it cracks me up'

Fuego tickles Khelben.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'be a bit more flexible, if what you really want is RP from them.'

Khelben says, 'but its over and done with i still haven't forgiven him for jumping pd'

Fuego says, 'i dont want a huge RP plot from them when i do things'

Sandra says, 'I just be rude back to him, but I know he's being ic'

Khelben says, 'but thats a different story'

Fuego says, 'i do things for a laugh'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'you don't need to make a big story out of it, but I think that not enough people know you mean it as rp.'

Dusk says, 'hrmph, i jumped 4 people while they were in the middle of fighting dis.... now THAT was funny. :P'

Dusk throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Cerberus nods his agreement with Dusk.

Fuego chuckles politely.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'once that knowledge reaches a critical mass and you have a 'reputation' it won't be so hard to be clear.'

Praseodymium says, 'well i think Harrasment is rp to some extent you should be able to inflict harrasment upon others as long as you dont go to far...'

Cerberus was mad about that one.

Khelben says, 'i just dont think that its right to endanger unclanned people cause some idiots cant wait til we are done with the run'

Praseodymium smirks.

Dusk sinks his teeth into Khelben's flesh.

Ryan flops about helplessly.

Fuego says, 'i have been playing this char the same way for 2 years, how long will it take before people know im not harassing you!'

Soze says to Fuego, 'problem is that you seem too ooc most of the time and therefore when you offend people, it will mostly be taken ooc'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Soze.

Sandra nods her agreement with Soze.

Khelben says, 'no ive heard some harassment stories, soem are really bad, amecia told me last night she left cause of an rp thing that went bad she jsut got tired of it'

Cerberus says to Fuego, 'try to get your insults to be in theme with your character, people will figure it out'

Soze says to Fuego, 'if you want to RP, do it more so people _know_ it's rp, and perhaps add an edge to it, something that shows that it _IS_ rp'

Fuego says, 'my character? my character is a freak who thinks he has powers from a demon named Inferno'

Fuego peers intently at The Dagger of Inferno.

Dusk rolls his eyes heavenward.

Cerberus says to Fuego, 'so use that'

Truffle Hunt Results?

Praseodymium says, 'ok when are the truffles gonna be done with :)'

Praseodymium smirks.

LadyAce says to Praseodymium, 'when I get a chance. I get home from work, I do Q & A, then I have time for other things.'

Heineken comforts LadyAce.

Next week's PK Tourney

Fuego says, 'we decide about this PK tourny next week yet?'

Fuego says, 'we doing the gang war thing?'

Qwine says, 'its on the warboard'

Dusk says, 'it was still up in the air last i read'

Dusk snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'pk tourney ... haven't seen any comments on my idea.'

LadyAce says, 'can't really run a game if no one will come.'

Qwine says, 'looks like an interesting idea lsdyace, thought about appending but I don't do appends, they aren't my bag'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'games aren't RP'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'I was asked about the PK tourney.'

Qwine says, 'oh yea, that idea'

Cerberus giggles.

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'sorry'

Qwine says, 'I'll enter it if gaidal and ruby are game :)'

Qwine pokes Cerberus in the ribs.

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'btw, i think nobody posted about your idea because i dont think we fully understand it'

Qwine says, '4 teams of 3 fight each other'

Qwine says, 'whats so confusing?'

Qwine says, 'last team standing wins'

Fuego says, 'the on-going'

Dusk says, 'hmph, i liked the trophy idea.'

Qwine says, 'though whoever sit on the sidelines while the other teams kill each other will win'

Qwine says, 'but thats not important :)'

Fuego says, 'how we sign up, the on-going idea,the rules...'

Fuego shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'like, the same event happens each week or every other week, and your points could carry up'

LadyAce says, 'I said no signup.'

Qwine says, 'I have a suggestion on the tourney thing'

LadyAce says, 'rules would be: KILL :)'

LadyAce says, 'okie?'

Kaige giggles at LadyAce.

Qwine says, 'don't necessarily require winning, make it like the cool recall tag'

Qwine says, 'give points for different things'

Fuego says, 'one sec, skimming through your post'

Qwine says, 'obviously winning would give you a good point value'

Qwine says, 'but if you beat one entire team, then died to another team or something, that should be some good points too'

March Tinyplot (& TP in general)

Cerberus says, 'I'm wondering what the march madness tinyplot is actually about?'

LadyAce says, 'I haven't posted anything on it yet, but I will be.'

Rosette hopes it's something she can get involved with.

LadyAce says, 'The general idea is that a mysterious insanity is sweeping the mud...rabbits biting people, knights being evil and thieves kissing babies, that sort of thing.'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'ooo neat'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'you can just be silly :) no insanity needed.'

Chaykin says, 'rabbits biting people! Run away, run away!'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'somehow, I'd like to see some effort made to promote RP on an offical level. However that can happen.'

Khelben says, 'what would be nice though is unlike the last few rp plots we got newer people to do it'

Khelben says, 'marcel is fun and all but it gets tiring'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'our acts to encourage RP include: interactive mobs, strings, descriptions, tinyplots, and IC events/parties.'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'and they all work to some extent, but I just don't think they are enough'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'but it never gets posted'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Soze's head.

Rosette says, 'recent rp plots I have't been able to feel a part of because I don't have good/evil chars'

Chaykin says to Rosette, 'you have a point'

LadyAce says, 'Many tinyplots are inspired by player ideas.'

Soze nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'So come to me or any pr imm with your ideas.'

Cerberus says, 'well I shouldn't complain about lack of RP, its the same arguement as the lack of AA PK'ers... Been done to death allready.'

LadyAce says, 'i can't very well make a tinyplot which works with your rp story if I don't know that you want me to.'

Soze nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Rosette says, 'well, I'm not expecting a plot to revolve around me. I'm not that important'

Chaykin says to Rosette, 'sure you are!'

Chaykin hugs Rosette.

Cerberus just wishes someone would come up with an idea to tie the RP and PK people together more.

Rosette is justa lil girl.

Chaykin says, 'it's the Saga of Rosette!'

Dusk says, 'how can rp and pkill mix... wouldn't that be a bit like WWF wresting.... they already rehearsed the fight and know the winner?!?!'

Khelben says, 'well heres an idea hold a seminar like you did on the last one for halloween introduce people on how to rp'

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'most good rp doesn't have a preset ending.'

Cerberus says to Dusk, 'have an RP reason for fighting, simple.'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Dusk nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Dusk says, 'not much a rp, i do that. :P'

Kaige says, 'how to RP different archetypes, good, evil, the misunderstood whozit, the blah blah balh... that kind of thing?'

Qwine says, 'rp is like religion'

Qwine says, 'its just fine, just don't push it on people who don't want it :)'

Dusk says, 'i seriously doubt that'

Khelben says, 'im an expert at being grumpy'

Cerberus says, 'RP and PK are sooo similar'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'we do run those every so often, but there's only so often they'll draw a crowd.'

Soze says, 'perhaps more reason than, "your shoelaces are yellow" "DIE!"..'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

Cerberus says, 'they each have a cult following, its too bad the cult doesn't contain the same people!'

Qwine shrugs helplessly.

Qwine says, 'I'm not a big rper'

Qwine says, 'everytime I try something happens to make it dumb'

Rosette says, 'I think the major problem is people who want to rp not being able to find people to rp with.'

Cerberus says to Qwine, 'ignore it and keep going!'

Qwine says, 'nah'

Soze nods his agreement with Rosette.

Khelben nods solemnly.

Qwine says, 'much easier to just be mad at people all the time'

Cerberus snickers softly.

Qwine says, 'thats not true, I'm not an angry person :)'

Qwine says, 'group hug!'

Rosette says, 'so maybe if there could be some event for meeting people?'

Qwine throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Chaykin says, 'that's why there are so many jerk chars, they're the easiest thing to play :P'

Dusk pushes Qwine away from him.

Qwine says, 'nah, has nothing to do with easy'

Rosette nods her agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'I dunno. I think that finding people to Rp with has a lot of facets.'

Qwine says, 'did you ever take that mud test that told you what type of player you were?'

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'that's what the parties are for :)'

Khelben says, 'im generally rude to newbies cause i have way too many people making newbies to be rude to me'

LadyAce says, 'some of it is just knowing the names, ok.'

Dusk says, 'playing the 'jerk' character isn't that easy... you have to be able to back it up.... that is challenge in itself'

LadyAce says, 'and events can help with that.'

Rosette says to LadyAce, 'parties? like the singles party?'

Qwine says, 'and this place is just like rl...there are huge cliches'

LadyAce says, 'but a lot of it is building relationships, if you want something long turn.'

Qwine says, 'you are drawn to whatever cliche you belong to and it usually sticks forever, I don't know many people that belong to multiple cliches :)'

Khelben says, 'especially when i get a tell hey jerkoff level me or help me get this word or that piece of eq'

Chaykin says, 'you can "back up" any kind of behavior, good or bad, just the jerky kind is the easiest to be'

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'sure, or other 'come do this' events -- Elisa's wrestling, the turtle races, any other 'get together' people put together.'

Cerberus wishes he could RP with more people without questions of alts, etc coming up.

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'hey! it is not'

Rosette says to LadyAce, 'but what if you want to start a char fitting with somebody's rp, like be their child? Or you want to have a child and need to find somebody?'

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'we have all you sap's against us!'

Dusk says, 'not unelss you can back it up... especially in pkill'

Qwine says, 'that last tourney we had was like 40 people or something'

Qwine says, 'that brought lots of people together, though on another port :)'

Khelben says, 'ask rosette you are too young tohave a kid'

Qwine looks up into the sky and ponders.

Khelben says, 'bah'

Rosette giggles at Khelben.

LadyAce says, 'there's a LOT of trust involved with putting together a big RP saga, I don't think that has a quick fix...you have to work for that one.'

Kaige says to Cerberus, 'blow 'em off'

Soze throws you a clod of dirt.

Qwine says, 'I think my thing with rp is I'm not patient enough'

Qwine says, 'you have to be patient to rp'

Fuego says to Qwine, 'do not...'

Lorenzo sticks his tongue out at Soze. =P

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'I've seen a LOT of people anxious to have kids and no volunteers...'

Sandra says, 'it takes a good while'

Rosette says, 'my problem is I have too many chars'

Kaige says, 'or willing and able to adapt quicklely and go with what's thrown at you'

Sandra says to Rosette, 'there's no such thing =P'

Rosette nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Khelben says, 'my thing is sometimes its so damn silly i dont bother to listen past the first 5 minutes'

Qwine chuckles politely at Sandra's feeble witticism.

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'I mean, everyone who ever chats or writes about wanting a baby, or gets married, is pretty likely to want a volunteer.'

Qwine says to Sandra, 'you can't even remember all yours'

Sandra says, 'I don't have to! I wrote them down'

Cerberus gets a clod of dirt from a sturdy backpack.

Qwine says, 'exactly'

Cerberus nibbles on a clod of dirt - he must be hungry.

Cerberus puts a clod of dirt in a sturdy backpack.

Khelben says, 'that recent twin outbreak we had was silly, then a month later we have the same person having triplets'

Rosette says, 'well, I think what often happens is people ask their friends, and that just perpetuates the cliques. There are a lot of players out there that I never interact with'

Soze says, 'I find those chars I play "good" to be the hardest, especially when they are exposed to things people wouldn't normally accept'

Cerberus says to Rosette, 'whats your name?'

Rosette says to Cerberus, 'Rosette'

Cerberus hates not being able to know peoples names.

Cerberus nods his agreement with Rosette.

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'I think it's because they can get their friends to do them favors, help them out. But I get accused of being cliquish, and no one has ever sent me a tell asking to be involved without being made a part of things...'

Rosette runs over Dusk with her trike, knocking him down.

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'It does take more proactiveness to be a new baby than most anything else tho.'

Qwine says, 'too many people around here are too flowery :P'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'I sent you a tell asking you to be involved!'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'its hard to ask people to join you if they aren't allready a part... y'know?'

Fuego nods his agreement with Qwine.

Khelben nods solemnly.

Qwine says, 'hard to rp when everyone is so damn flowery'

Fuego says, 'no holding hands and rejoicing!'

Qwine says, 'either they are pk and a dick'

Qwine points at Dusk.

Rosette says to LadyAce, 'it is a hard thing, knowing who might want to be involved'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Rosette.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'you even got nominated for an expie for it!'

Qwine says, 'or rp and flowery'

Dusk shrugs helplessly.

Khelben says, 'i mean what mother is gonna log on here and say Hi son,'

Fuego says, 'ooh ooh me too! im a dick!'

Chaykin giggles.

Khelben says, 'isnt that silly,'

Qwine says to Dusk, 'I thought you'd like that one :)'

Dusk says, 'your talking out of your ass, you don't know the first thing about me.'

Qwine ruffles Dusk's hair playfully.

Soze says to Qwine, 'not true'

Khelben says, 'usualyl laugh when i hear that'

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'well, but it's not so hard to send them a tell and say 'hey, if you guys ever want a kid, let me know, I'd build a char for it''

Khelben says, 'icant type tonite'

Rosette says, 'it is! I'm shy'

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'like when you hear about a marriage between people you think are decent'

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'how about this:'

Rosette says, 'the only time I made a kid for people, I knew them well'

LadyAce says to Rosette, 'write to the LT and say you're a lost stork, looking for the mama of a baby, and see if anyone volunteers.'

Soze nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Fuego says, 'ooh! i want a baby! i can train it to kill people and be really really annoying'

Rosette looks up into the sky and ponders.

Rosette says, 'hmm, I have 3 mommies, but only one daddy'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'if your kid is anything like you, it will be too stubborn to train into being anything.'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Dusk says, 'bleh, i wish mordrid and agyar and auggie still played.... then you people would know what a REAL ass-hole is like!'

Plays in the Globe?

Khelben says, 'hehe how come we never use the globe theater for plays or for that matter the opera house'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'there's actually an expansion to the theater which would do plays, in the works.'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'part of Rus's Tudor expansion?'

Clans & Improving Them

Fuego says, 'yea, is there and plan to fix clans so they actually MEAN something other then an extra channel?'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'it's something we're talking about ideas for. but we don't have any plans at all to make code changes to achieve it.'

Fuego grumbles.

Fuego says, 'can i ask why not?'

Rosette says, 'if your clan is lame, elect a new gm'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'feel like posting some of the ideas on the discussion board sometime to start some ideas?'

Dusk says, 'if they made guards, and gave points for raiding clanhalls..... and started a whole trophy/points system with pkill... clans would definalty have meaning!!'

Qwine says, 'assassins are the only cool clan that ever had code for them :P'

Qwine says, 'but they took that out'

Qwine sniffs sadly.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'because clans ultimately depend on the members and GM'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin smiles happily.

Dusk stomps around.

Khelben says, 'soemtimes it would be nice ot come here and not kill barney, laibon, vampire, lion, elephant, suger, etc all the time'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'and we're trying to keep our coding fingers out of them.'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'there is no bond to a clan though'

Sandra says, 'I wouldn't want a trophy system for pkill. That'd suck'

Fuego says, 'a clan means NOTHING to the players'

Chaykin says, 'you can't code a clan to be exciting :P'

Dusk nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'i dont want it to be coded to be exciting'

Qwine says, 'sure you can chaykin'

Dusk says, 'used to... years ago... when 'clan wars' meant something'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'I've seen many a clan with a good bond between members. If yours doesn't, it's not really our fault.'

Qwine says, 'other muds *I'm not saying we should, just stating* do things like give clans specials skills or gear, stuff like that'

Fuego says, 'i want being in a clan mean something other then you put the name in your title'

Khelben says, 'oh and lord pd and sl gets old at times i liek south side not too many go there'

Dusk says to LadyAce, 'those are just friends in the same clan.'

Fuego nods his agreement with Dusk.

Qwine says, 'clans are basicly geared toward rpers as they stand'

Qwine says, 'and thats fine'

Qwine says, 'just the way it is :)'

Rosette says, 'I think the problem is that too many rp clans don't rp.'

Cerberus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Dusk says, 'hell, i am in 4 different clans... and most all the people in each clan are alts of the people in the other clans!'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'then build a clan which is different.'

Cerberus says, 'I'd like to see them geared towards everyone'

Dusk says, 'for what purpose!'

Khelben nods his agreement with Dusk.

Chaykin says, 'I'll admit it would be neat if there were something available for clans better than standard houses whose descs make them look suitable for one person, not a guild'

Qwine says, 'if we could build stores, then maybe merchant type clans could exist like opec and oil'

Chaykin says, 'but that won't fix clans really from being boring'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Qwine.

Fuego says, 'forget the clan houses'

Qwine says, 'or if people could store things in houses without it costing 100k a day to keep it there, you could make adventuring type clans'

Khelben says, 'i dont like being told my surgeons cant enter usl , cause they are full, but then seeing 2 days later 5 new surgeons in the clan'

LadyAce says, 'I think our focus for the next month and a half will really be pk, rather than clans'

LadyAce says, 'but we can pick up clans after that.'

LadyAce says, 'Kaige's assassin game, Sandra's upcoming lecture, my tourneys, being the pk stuff we're working on.'

Dusk says, 'i still think if a pointsystem was derived for clans.... it would give them purpose'

Cerberus says, 'housing took the best thing thing about being in a clan, away'

Qwine says, 'actually'

Fuego says, 'a point system would be fun'

Qwine says, 'I like dusk's idea for one reason'

Dusk says, 'i don't even allow anyone to drop things in my clanhall... costs to damn much'

Qwine says, 'it would give clans an incentive to pk, to try to be the "top'

LadyAce says, 'point incentives don't create a bond. people do that.'

Dusk nods his agreement with Qwine.

Cumference says, 'i miss the old school stalking and setting up traps and stuffs.'

Qwine says, 'nah'

Qwine says, 'the point system would create pk'

Cumference says, 'should make these games longterm'

Dusk says, 'incentives create interests that people can relate to... which creates bonds!'

Chaykin says, 'it's not hard to keep track of kills on your own'

Dusk pokes LadyAce in the ribs.

Cumference says, 'instead of like 1 hour, maybe span over a week :P'

Fuego says, 'yeah, and i think all PK clans as they are should be abolished, and to make a PK clan you should have to get the approval of an immortal'

Qwine says, 'when people start getting interesting in pk again'

Qwine says, 'then the bonding starts happening'

Cerberus says, 'what does it hurt if the rent cost of storing items in housing went down by 1/10 - 1/50? that could make things fun'

Chaykin says, 'if you want to you can, but there's no reason to code it in'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'I guess my idea of bonds is squishier than yours.'

Fuego says, 'that way there are set PK clans...'

Dusk shrugs helplessly.

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'your idea of bonds is more directed ooc'

Qwine says, 'when you can sit in the royal stag and talk to your non pk friend for 6 hours and never be jumped...pk is broken :P'

Ea! says, 'It's very hard to keep track of kills in the code -- it's hard to ignore multies, kills from 2-3 hps, etc.'

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'I think about emotion and loyalty, you think about common goals.'

Khelben says, 'then yo would have people dumong stuff int heir house all the time'

Cumference says, 'if rent was like that we'd have overpowered chars with immune/resist to everything :P'

Khelben says, 'id like to see rent go down a bit'

Cumference says, 'and charmies armed with wands that dish out massive dmg'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'they're both legit perspectives.'

Khelben says, 'i want to build more but 30K rent is nuts'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Khelben.

Dusk says to LadyAce, 'i care about my clanmates... when they dt, i help, if they die, i help... i always offer advice when they need it... and have nice chats... what are you talking about?'

Chaykin says, 'a point system, in fact, would probably increase multiing so people could jack up their clan's "score"'

Qwine says, 'just everytime someone dies, make it check if the person was IN a clan'

Cumference comforts Khelben.

Qwine says, 'you only get points for killing someone else in a clan'

Cumference says to Chaykin, 'that's easy to guard from tho'

Dusk says to Chaykin, 'you realize how dangerous multi'ing is though...'

Fuego says, 'i like that idea'

Qwine says, 'and if they multi, the person who multi'd will get revenge back on them from the opposing clan to even the score'

Cerberus says, 'I'd like to be able to store hard to get items, and sell them on auction without paying 50k in rent costs waiting until I found a buyer for a 55k item'

Cumference says to Chaykin, 'just add a set amount of ticks where points given away from him are nullified'

Dusk says to Chaykin, 'you open yourself up to be slaughterd by the masses.... '

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'the difference is if you help them so they'll be more useful, or because they're in your clan.'

Cumference nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Qwine says, 'the multi rules will still be in affect, if you multi, you WILL be multi'd back'

Qwine shrugs helplessly.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Dusk.

Cumference says, 'just looked what happen to riven, his char is practically unplayable :P'

Qwine says, 'I like pk ok so much in some respects'

Fuego says, 'can i request you purge dusk?'

Fuego scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Cumference says, 'cuz everywhere he goes..boom bang boom boom!'

Fuego ducks to the ground.

Qwine says, 'but other aspects...'

Rosette says, 'I'd like to be able to leave eq in the clanhall for the low level members'

Dusk says to LadyAce, 'because they are in my clan'

Ea! says, 'It sounds like the plan is "if they multi us, we'll multi them" as a method to avoid points be escalated.'

Cumference says, 'and look what flare just did recently and what happened to him.'

Qwine says to Ea!, 'thats how it is now'

Qwine says to Ea!, 'thats why people don't multi'

Ea! says, 'But that doesn't solve the problem -- that just leads to childish pkill where people multi a lot.'

LadyAce says, 'whoever was saying I should put stuff on the boards, feel free to start up that thread.'

Dusk says to Ea!, 'the point there is, i don't think its quite a threat'

Dusk says to Ea!, 'don't even know if you could code around that. *shrug*'

Qwine says, 'plus'

Qwine says, 'if you made it so when someone dies on your team you lose a point'

Dusk nods his agreement with Qwine.

Ea! says, 'That's why tracking that in the code is hard.'

Cumference says, 'i smell doubleteams and stuff'

Dusk nods his agreement with Ea!.

Fuego says, 'hrmms, can the code check if somoene was killed within the last 2 ticks, that they wont get a point?'

Dusk says, 'so what!'

Cerberus says, 'make it so multi'ing makes your team LOSE a point, if you kill the same person within 10 ticks'

Qwine says to Cumference, 'thats pk'

Dusk says, 'you create pkill that way'

Fuego says, 'doubleteams are FUN!'

Qwine says to Cumference, 'noone said it has to be fair'

Cumference says to Qwine, 'didn't say it was bad'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'Doing that in an elegant method would be tricky.'

Qwine says, 'OR'

Dusk says, 'without confrontation, all you have is happy go lucky duels!'

Fuego looks up into the sky and ponders.

Qwine says, 'how about this'

Cumference says, 'my next line was just saying about introducing group pk instead of the standart 1on1'

Dusk says, 'and duels are BORING!'

Cumference says, 'will encourage new type of pk'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'hehe, i have faith in you guys, i have never seen a mud as brilliantly coded as this one'

Qwine says, 'a gm can declare a point system with another clan, and if they agree it only affects them'

Khelben says, 'maybe i will enable when i hit 200 mile xp then i can afford to lose some til then pooey to it'

Qwine says, 'that way they can stop it if the other team isn't playing by the rules or abusing it or whatever'

Khelben says, 'i die enough on my own'

Qwine says, 'so like the grendels could just make a point system with every single clan'

LadyAce says, 'well, it won't hurt to suggest it. :P'

Qwine says, 'but maybe the knights only want one against the evil person'

Chaykin giggles at LadyAce.

Qwine says, 'kinda like befriending'

Qwine says, 'a clan that is'

LadyAce says, 'I just dunno if we have time for it atm'

Accept All Problems

Qwine says, 'you said your focusing on pk for the next month and a half?'

Dusk says, 'well, all i am looking for is inspiring pk... i don't care how or what kind...'

Qwine shrugs helplessly.

Qwine says, 'the problem has been and always will be accept all is just kinda...iffy'

Fuego says, 'if we make a point system (which i hope we do) can we make PK clans back to being AA?'

Fuego says, 'like they were before PKOK'

Qwine says, 'they expected people to get over the iffy phase and most people didn't'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'not likely'

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'did the gangwars idea sound like fun to you?'

Dusk says, 'but the thing there is, if they don't go AA, they reduce the people they can fight, thus reducing the points they can claim'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'why not? the same warnings go into effect, you enable at your own risk, and you join this clan at your own risk'

Camaris says, 'should just have a darklegendmud for aa pkil only'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Dusk says to LadyAce, 'of course it does, and i will be there... '

Dusk says to LadyAce, 'but people like me don't need inspiring...'

Fuego says, 'not to mention, if a clanmate has a problem with someone else, they tell their clan, which forms a bond'

Qwine says, 'I wasn't that "scared" of pkok until someone abused it on me'

Dusk nods his agreement with Fuego.

Camaris nods his agreement with Qwine.

Fuego says to Qwine, 'it gets abused on me all the time'

Fuego hates it.

Dusk says, 'bleh, i have never not been AA, and its never been a problem'

Qwine says, 'when brynne was accepting me 3 seconds after killed someone and have 74 hp left and started backstabing me, then ran to the one exit rooms in india where your COMPLETELY safe for 48 ticks, rejected me...'

Qwine says, 'thats when I started losing faith'

Dusk says, 'well, so thats his problem, and he can never accept you again, because if he does... he is dead.'

Qwine says, 'no'

Fuego says to Qwine, 'i lost faith when i was being like 5 on 2'd. and riven decided to join in, he accepted my groupmate, and not me'

Dusk says, 'flare just did that to me'

Qwine says, 'he only would accept when he knew I stood no chance'

Qwine says, 'exactly'

Qwine says, 'people can choose to fight only half your group because your accept all but they only accept half the group'

Dusk says, 'he multied me... ran like hell to saferoom in india and waited 50 ticks and then rejected'

Qwine says, 'stuff like that, its so abuseable'

Dusk shrugs helplessly.

Qwine says, 'well'

Qwine says, 'I still have accept all characters'

Qwine says, 'my point is a lot of people won't accept all because of crap like that'

Chaykin waves happily.

Dusk says, 'he just cut his pkill opportunites in half though... he won't be able to play that char much anymore'

Qwine says, 'some people love their precious xp etc.'

Ea! says to Qwine, 'Why not accept all and then reject the people who do that to you?'

Fuego says, 'all my chars are AA, even my level 27 druid, and my full surgeon'

Dusk says, 'and if you noticed, it forced him to archive... all because he abused the system'

Qwine says, 'because I don't KNOW they will do it until they do'

Fuego nods solemnly.

Qwine says, 'by then the damage is done'

Dusk says to Qwine, 'so what if they do!'

Qwine says, 'most of the people only want to do it once because you slighted them on chat or some crap'

Ea! says to Qwine, 'The "damage is done" after one fight?'

Dusk says, 'you die, you lose some exp... you get on with life'

Fuego nods his agreement with Ea!.

Qwine says, 'if they multi you 17 times....'

Qwine says, 'you can't reject in there'

Dusk says, 'quit logging back in'

Qwine says, 'if they loot your item and junk it'

Qwine shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says, 'go to a safe room.'

Dusk says, 'you get more items'

Ea! says, 'I dunno, I haven't seen this happening.'

Cerberus says, 'only use items that are easily replaced'

Dusk says, 'because it hasn't'

Qwine says, 'specially with old gear practically necessary as strength type to be competitive'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'its also a matter of pride'

LadyAce says, 'I guess we could make it take a lot longer to reject someone if you multi them.'

Dusk says to Qwine, 'who has that happend to?'

LadyAce says, 'maybe.'

LadyAce raises her eyebrow at Ea!.

Qwine says, 'what, old gear looted?'

Dusk nods solemnly.

Cerberus says, 'make it 48 ticks each time'

Ea! says, 'If it does, post it to the war board. Monitor the war board and reject people who others complain about.'

Qwine says, 'I'm telling you reasons people won't GO accept all'

Dusk says, 'i havn't done it, nobody has done it to me.'

Qwine says, 'in many ways accept all is WAY more dangerous then old pk every was'

Dusk nods his agreement with Ea!.

Fuego says to Ea!, 'when riven abused the system to beat me and my partner, i was angry as hell... if i then reject him its like i lose'

Fuego says, 'and i hate losing'

Qwine says, 'at least with the old pk you knew who you could fight and you could get revenge'

Qwine says, 'none of that is guarenteed now'

Cerberus says, 'each kill adds 48 ticks to your timer, regardless of what you are at'

Ea! says, 'I dunno, if you're unwilling to go accept all because you might be killed once, well, yeah, you're going to have a problem.'

Khelben says, 'i like the idea now that if you are not accept all you are all kinds of dirty names'

Dusk says, 'the thing there is, i will never have a chance to get back at flare... that really bugs me...'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'that sounds doable that way...doesn't have to figure out if it's a multi, just a death.'

Qwine says, 'that sounds dangerous too'

Cerberus nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Fuego says to Ea!, 'people are afraid to go AA because they dont want to be cheated'

Dusk says, 'well, there haven't been any true multies here in a long long time.'

Camaris raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Qwine says, 'nah, I multi'd brynne :P'

Dusk says, 'how many times'

Khelben says, 'i dont think there should really be any'

Qwine says, 'multi happens'

Camaris says, 'seen quite a few multi's'

Qwine says, '3 ?'

Qwine says, 'dunno'

Khelben says, 'it happens'

Dusk says, 'thats pathetic'

Fuego laughs at Dusk.

Dusk says, 'hence 'true' multies'

Ea! says, 'No, people are afraid to go accept all because if someone hurts them they might not have the chance to get revenge by killing them -- they can only get revenge by rejecting them.'

Qwine says, 'multi tends to be real popular with lowbies'

Khelben nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'And that's not good enough to feed people's egos.'

Qwine says, 'well, its like rl'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'so?'

Dusk shrugs helplessly.

Qwine says, 'people don't like to be slighted'

Qwine says, 'and if they are, they usually want retribution'

Cumference says, 'what does slighted mean :P'

Cumference ducks to the ground.

Qwine says, 'thats why everyone is sueing everyone'

Cerberus says to Qwine, 'its because 90% of the PK population can't do anything to keep it from happening'

Fuego says, 'its a reason enough not to go AA'

Cumference says to Cerberus, 'we do'

Cumference says to Cerberus, 'look at riven'

Cumference says to Cerberus, 'and flare'

Qwine says, 'look at it this way ea!'

Cerberus says, 'I mean when its LOWBIES'

Ea! says, 'Well, that was true in the old system, too. Someone could multi you and then archive.'

Cumference says, 'ah'

Qwine says, 'the way it stands, accept all puts you at the mercy of EVERYONE in your range'

Cumference says, 'cuz we can't, they not in range'

Camaris says, 'i think it has alot to do with the general tendancy towards less mature people on the mud mostly'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Cumference.

Cumference says, 'otherwise we'd most definitely would, if justified.'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Cumference.

Fuego says to Ea!, 'if there is a way to cheat the system, people will do it'

Cerberus says, 'thats why lowbies multi more'

Cumference nods solemnly.

Dusk nods solemnly.

Qwine says, 'if I piss off some rp group, I don't know the current rp clans'

LadyAce says, 'just accepting all the clans would cut out on a lot of the junk I think'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'its just the fact...'

Qwine says, 'but that doesn't work la'

Qwine says, 'then you don't have the star'

Qwine says, 'and people don't know your accepting'

Camaris says, 'and some pkillers arent clanned'

Fuego isnt clanned.

Qwine says, 'I still think you should see a star next to anyone who's accepting you'

Camaris is completely boggled.

Qwine shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'well, it wouldn't catch everyone'

Dusk says to LadyAce, 'there is no clan who constantly acts 'retarded''

Cerberus says, 'maybe the star should show up only if the character is accepting your current character, one way or another'

Khelben nods his agreement with Qwine.

Cerberus says, 'that would solve the bitching about people that aren't AA'

Camaris says, 'too many people cross play too'

Khelben says, 'sure there are several'

Qwine says, 'or if you made a new type of whos maybe, I don't know'

Qwine says, 'like cwhos'

Cerberus says, 'or the star only shows up if you are mutually accepting each other.... whether you are AA or not'

Qwine says, 'and it showed everyone who's accepting your clan'

LadyAce says, 'put your ideas on discussion?'

Fuego says, 'there ARE people who want to PK... we should accomodate them'

Qwine says, 'discussion board is like putting your idea in a coffin and asking for it to be buried :P'

Dusk says to Ea!, 'that room where mystic is needs to be changed.'

Cerberus laughs at Qwine.

Fuego says, 'we accomodated the people that whined about being harassed in old style pk'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'Mmmm, was that the end, then?'

Dusk says to Ea!, 'one person, can't dash, can't shoot, can't phase.... '

Khelben says, 'i like that room'

Dusk says, 'its LAME'

Cerberus says, 'make it a safe room at least'

Fuego says, 'why not accomodate us in this style pk, with a code change'

Qwine says, 'he means the rooms leading up to the mystic'

Qwine says, 'they are completely safe'

Ea! says to Dusk, 'That's Sandra's department.'

Dusk says, 'because people like flare go there to sit 50 ticks so they can reject me!'

Cumference says, 'the mystic room'

Cumference says, 'you can still throw :P'

Dusk pokes Sandra in the ribs.

Cumference says, 'to reset ticks'

LadyAce says to Qwine, 'it IS where I look for ideas :P'

Dusk says to Sandra, 'FIX IT!'

Qwine says, 'not the rooms below the mystic'

Cumference says, 'you can'

Cumference says, 'i've done it'

LadyAce says, 'other questions, ask.'

Qwine says, 'nope'

Cumference says, 'the only room you're totally safe is nemean mts.'

Qwine says, 'there are 2 one person rooms touching'

Dusk says to Cumference, 'you can't get to a person at mystic'

Qwine says, 'you can't throw or shoot out of a one person room'

Khelben says, 'it was never been broke and has always been there, you cant say somethings broke cause you never thought of using it that way before'

Dusk says, 'so back to the point system!'

Fuego nods his agreement with Dusk.

Fuego says, 'i would REALLY like to see a point system'

Fuego says, 'it would solve a lot of problems'

Dusk says, 'i think it would really revitalize pkill'

Fuego says, 'form bonds between clans, and promote PK'

Does Con worn Affect HP Gain at level?

Lorenzo says, 'Not sure whether I can put this in sane English, but I'll try. First, I'm aware that several years ago, it was possible to receive mucho hp by wearing extra con gear as you level, and that it was removed.'

Lorenzo says, 'Now, I think I've heard more recently that there's still some similar effect - that when you level, the hp received is augmented by some amount in proportion to your con with respect to xp received....'

Lorenzo says, '... so that you can still receive extra hp if your con is improved for most of the level, but not if you don't receive xp while wearing the extra con.'

Lorenzo says, 'However, people I know report not being aware of this. Does that description make sense, and can you confirm or deny?'

LadyAce says, 'it doesn't matter when you wear the con.'

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'you get a random number of hp per level, regardless of con. then you get some hp based on your con.'

LadyAce says, 'you could have 100 con for 1 second and 30 the rest of the level, the only difference would be that when your con was high, so would your hp. No permanent change to your file.'

Qwine says, 'you have a "base" hp you rolled regardless of stats'

Qwine says, 'then you get a bonus based on your con'

Qwine says, 'the base is not affected by anything'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'OK, so no permanent stat changes based on equipement, ever?'

LadyAce says, 'right'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Qwine says, 'well, base is affected by the hp quest I suppose :P'

Lorenzo says, 'OK, thanks. Not sure what I was reading, then....'

Khelben says, 'i dont agree, it seems before these changes i maxed my mana at 609 and thats pretty low for someone that had mind as first stat'

Khelben says, 'and i almost always have been 100 mind'

Qwine says, 'that is low'

Qwine says, '620-630 was average'

Qwine says, 'if you had exactly 100 mind'

Qwine says, 'but'

Qwine says, 'were you wearing cheetah leggings?'

Khelben shakes his head.

Qwine shrugs helplessly.

Khelben says, 'i never wear em'

LadyAce says, 'well, you can believe whatever superstition cheers you up :P'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'Anyway, that's all for me - I just wanted to see whether I misunderstood whatever it was.'

Khelben says, 'oh and i was using an old iron broach so take 15 off that that seems really low'

Heineken giggles at LadyAce.

Qwine says, 'I remember when people thought being hungry affected your hp rolls'

Qwine says, 'that would have been 624'

Qwine says, 'I have a character who had 624 with 100 mind in old system'

More Chat & Immaturity Complaints

Camaris says, 'noticed alot of pervs and sickos over chat latley...'

Camaris says, 'my kid whatches me play and she cant read yet (luckily)'

LadyAce says to Camaris, 'we had a big talk about that one already :) let me summarize.'

Camaris nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Camaris, 'basically we advise opposing them on chat, and reporting them to the staff. We've pledged to watch it more closely'

Khelben says, 'ive noticed some really stupid names lately too, 0-0-0-0-0'

Dusk nods solemnly.

Camaris nods solemnly.

Zeppelin says to Fuego, 'what, you want all your female cousins to yourself?'

Zeppelin stomps on Fuego's toes.

Fuego says, 'yeah!'

Qwine says, 'people tend to make dumb names sometimes, its human instict or something :P'

Camaris says, 'just wanted to make sure it got addressed'

Dusk says, 'i wish the imm's in general would decide to enforce some type of names.'

Dusk says, 'aaaaaargh?'

Dusk says, 'what the F is that!'

Qwine nods his agreement with Dusk.

Zeppelin says, 'i choose her'

LadyAce says to Camaris, 'a more complete discussion will be on the web in a few days.'

Fuego says, 'hrmms, you can have her'

Camaris says, 'thats all i had'

Fuego says, 'but watch out, she bites'

Qwine says, 'dex-man-dan'

Khelben says, 'i like aaaaarrgh's name'

LadyAce says, 'your idea of a dumb name is someone else's cool name :P'

Zeppelin says, 'ya i hate name filters'

Camaris says, 'bigfatbaby?'

Fuego says, 'ummm O-O-O-O-O-O-O'

Khelben says, 'i dont like names liek asoshle or whaver it was'

Dusk rolls his eyes heavenward.

Camaris is completely boggled.

Fuego says, 'what the hell is that?'

Zeppelin says, 'as long as no profantiy or vulger names are allowed'

Khelben says, 'when all it is done is to get around being offensive'

Fuego says to Zeppelin, 'but O-O-O-O-O?'

LadyAce says, 'we do have a curseword filter and get rid of offensive ones when we see them'

Qwine says, 'actually'

Fuego says, 'gimme a break'

Qwine says, 'did you know you can't use crap for a password'

Camaris bows deeply.

Qwine says, 'but you can use fuck'

Qwine chuckles politely.

Zeppelin laughs at Qwine.

Qwine says, 'apperently crap is more severe :)'

Zeppelin logs in as qwine.

Khelben says, 'ive played with fokker a few times but i dont have the nerve to do it'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we have a filter on pwords....weird.'

Fuego says, 'well, watching someone fuck is better then watching someone crap?'

Fuego shrugs helplessly.

Dusk nods his agreement with Fuego.

Zeppelin says to Khelben, 'mutherrfokker'

Qwine says, 'you do'

Qwine says, 'I couldn't use crap'

Qwine says, 'it refused to accept it'

Khelben says, 'for that reason'

Dusk says, 'try it now'

Qwine says, 'but it let fuck go through'

Dusk grins evilly.

Zeppelin covers his eyes with his hands.

Khelben says, 'i mean if we can have super bals why not airplane names'

Zeppelin says, 'you think its bad here, try a name in everquest'

Fuego says to Zeppelin, 'oh hush, your the one that taught me all the bad words, like poo poo head'

Dusk whaps Fuego across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Zeppelin says, 'no names like brian or troy, no names like vader or william wallace'

Fuego says, 'ow!'

Fuego cries on Dusk's shoulder.

Heineken says, 'maybe because crap is four letters? Do passwords have to be longer than a certain number of characters?'

Dusk says, 'he just said you can have fuck'

Khelben says, 'no'

Heineken says, 'oh, heh'

Qwine says, 'I've had the letter d as a password before'

Fuego chuckles politely.

Zeppelin says, 'we need 'wash' as a social'

Dusk whaps Zeppelin across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Zeppelin washes Dusk's mouth out with soap!

Khelben says, 'densiva used to use 1 as a password'

Dusk says, 'bah, i never cuss rl. :P'

Khelben says, 'cause hes too damn dumb to remember anything past the first character'

Zeppelin pushes Fuego away from him.

Why can't you see chat while asleep?

Heineken says, 'This was in a past Q and A, but I can't find it in the logs so please refresh my memory...'

Heineken says, 'what is the reason for us being unable to see chats while stunned or asleep?'

Zeppelin says, 'uhhh your stunned or asleep'

Heineken says, 'I mean, is your characters physical condition relevant to chat?'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'the reason is that it's not all that realistic to talk to people while asleep'

Heineken says to LadyAce, 'but it's realistic to be able to tickle someone 500 years in the future and on another continent now?'

Fuego says, 'hahaha'

Dusk says, 'true true'

Qwine says, 'ouch :)'

Fuego says, 'thats a damn good point :P'

LadyAce says to Heineken, 'talk to kaige about that one :P'

Dusk says, 'i don't see a problem with being able to chat while asleep...'

Heineken wants some consistency

Ea! says, 'Just as realistic as it is to be able to talk to them in the first place.'

Fuego says, 'me neither'

Qwine says, 'tells and chat in their very nature are unrealistic'

Fuego says, 'chats basically OOC anywaqys'

Zeppelin says, 'anyone ask about a filter for chat socials?'

Fuego says, 'anyways*'

Qwine says, 'why try putting realistic rules on something thats unrealistic?'

Khelben says, 'its a game not real life you ninnies, reality doesn't matter :P'

Heineken says to Ea!, 'true, my point is that chat has nothing to do with reality'

Fuego says, 'haha he called you ninnies'

Chunk snickers at Fuego nastily.

Dusk says, 'for people who have to sleep for a freaking hour to heal... it would be nice for that to be able to chat'

Khelben says, 'you too feogo ninny'

Qwine says, 'the healing rate....'

Fuego says, 'at least to be able to hear chat'

Qwine says, 'the reason I never play fighters and almost every char I have has some way to heal :P'

Chunk says, 'no getting tells while sleeping is annoying too'

Dusk says, 'you can GT while asleep and stunned'

Chunk snorts derisively.

Chunk says, 'but thats my problem =p'

Fuego says, 'this mud is pretty much an OOC mud, all our forms of communication are OOC, why have an IC position relate to it?'

Heineken nods his agreement with Fuego.

Qwine says, 'well, in rl when you sleep you dream to keep yourself occupied'

LadyAce says, 'when I invoke Kaige, it means I do not know.'

Qwine says, 'here you stare at the screen and occasionally see someone level or die'

LadyAce says, 'or that it's not up to me.'

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Remembering stuff for Expies & LT Content

Chunk says, 'quick question related to expies'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chunk.

Chunk says, 'i figure this much.. most expie nominations are within a few months time spam from the ballots we vote on etc'

Khelben says, 'i have a comment on the expies too'

Chunk says, 'because players cant remember the whole year of cool neat or stand out things'

Fuego nods solemnly.

Khelben says, 'exactly'

Dusk says, 'they're expies... not really that big a deal in the first place'

LadyAce says, 'we do try to include things in the nominations which stretch beyond a few months, but there are some limitations on player memory.'

Chunk says, 'i would like to suggest a channel where players can report to like the bug idea etc so we have a start of nominations to choose from that have been submitted through the year'

Chunk brutally slays the lagmonster.

Khelben says, 'but things that happened after january first i remember sandra saying were not to be included'

Ea! says, 'I go through all of the code changes each year and nominate pretty much every major change. It doesn't help for the important categories, of course, but...'

Chunk says, 'there is my idea LA... sorry i typing slow tonight'

Fuego says to Dusk, 'shh! i want my pretitle!'

Khelben says, 'and almost all the illusions and deaths and stuff happened after january first'

Dusk snickers softly.

Zeppelin says to Fuego, 'not another village drunk!!!'

LadyAce says, 'actually, we hashed that out, and came to the conclusion that it's from nomination time to nomination time.'

Fuego says, '"Saint Fuego"'

Sandra says, 'i still don't agree with that =P'

Khelben says, 'kaige said difrfently when i asked her'

Fuego says, 'either that, or "Princess Fuego"'

Sandra brutally slays the lagmonster.

Chunk says to LadyAce, 'i just ask for a channel that is like idea bug typo that we can report on to help us remember and document things that we may forget when it comes time to do so'

Chunk says, 'is that possible? or is it solely up to players to log and share experiences they may have forgotten?'

Dusk says, 'i still say its big enough deal to bother with'

Khelben says, 'that means people cna sit there and make dumb ass illusions and die to stupid things the day before the balots are due'

LadyAce says, 'well, I'm the head of PR.'

Chunk brutally slays the lagmonster.

Dusk says, 'who cares what gets voted the best bug!!!'

Khelben says, 'hell my damn cheat button was given to me the week before the nominations came out'

LadyAce says, 'the expies are my project, and I say that the nomination period is the delimiter.'

LadyAce says, 'which Kaige said was my call.'

Khelben says, 'yeah but traditionally it was from the past mud year not the first month of the new year'

Chunk says, 'wait everyone is talking hold up can i get an answer then discuss the thing =p'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'I've heard both sides of that.'

Fuego says, 'i like nomination day to nomination day'

Chunk sighs loudly.

Khelben says, 'so basically what i did was read the ballot if i knew it happened this year i refused to vote on it'

Chunk brutally slays the lagmonster.

Fuego says, 'an expie channel would be decent though... but it would prolly steal some bandwidth storing all the things people report for a whole year'

Chunk feels his idea is being thrown aside in light of arguing =p

Chunk bonks Fuego on the head!

Chunk bonks Khelben on the head!

Chunk says, 'shush a sec!'

Chunk giggles.

Khelben says, 'another thing you cant refer to the LT's like you could in the past they dont report bugs or anything'

LadyAce says, 'a channel would not list out what you thought was the very best of the year'

Fuego says to Chunk, 'kiss me!'

Fuego kisses Chunk.

Qwine sighs loudly.

Chunk licks Fuego.

Khelben says, 'weddings were always in there even nasty bugs and stuff'

Chunk says to LadyAce, 'how so?'

Khelben says to Sandra, 'and i still think mrti was the best bug it pissed me off so much and you too :P'

Chunk says, 'a channel can be filtered easily by seeing if the players are still alive to disban them that wouldnt qualify anymore'

LadyAce says, 'you could nominate 15 people for best surgeon over the course of the year, with all your alts.'

Chunk says, 'go by majority then just make it so players are aware of a channel and im sure more than one person would report a cool thing'

Qwine says, 'the expies are rigged anyway, or at least they were last year'

Fuego raises his hand.

Qwine says, 'I don't think ladyace will allow them to be rigged this year'

Khelben says, 'whats it matter only i can vote nto all my alts'

LadyAce says, 'we do go with who gets the most nominations, but we have a limit to how many people you get to nominate.'

Chunk says, 'ok then put the whole list then we pick from that list who would make the final cut?'

Chunk says, 'it means more voting and more work for this and im willing to help if need be'

LadyAce says, 'I'm not gonna track all your nominations and send them to you so you can send back who you really want.'

Chunk says, 'ill do it'

Chunk shrugs helplessly.

Khelben says, 'why not make your own notes during the year'

LadyAce says, 'well, I don't think it's something that imms should do for players.'

Chunk says, 'i cant be online 24-7'

Khelben says, 'bugs are hard to vote for if they dont affect you'

Khelben says, 'i think the LT should be more then a place for silly stories... what happened to all the departmental reports? sandra warned 5000 people for swearing and so on and so forth ladyace worked on her new area'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'well, we took the imm reports out for a while and people complained. So we've added them back in.'

Chunk says, 'i just feel we would have a better time with expies and more competition if we had things we could remember father back then 3-4 months'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'some people like the stories, some people like the info, and there's no pleasing everyone.'

Khelben says, 'when i read it i see one or 2 things of interest and usually let the rest go in hopes of getting back to it later'

LadyAce says to Chunk, 'well, we can remind people more often that expies happen.'

Khelben says, 'like i said it seemed easier to refer to things that happened in the past year by going thru the LTs from that past year'

LadyAce says, 'encourage them to keep track, etc.'

Chunk looks up into the sky and ponders.

Chunk says, 'ok this is what i can do'

Chunk says, 'but i need immortal support on getting it noticed if you could?'

Khelben says, 'why not use the yahoo page to have people send thigns in chunk'

Chunk says, 'i will make a link on the club page to a Legend expie page'

Chunk nods his agreement with Khelben.

Chunk says, 'ill have it so we can post things etc then ppl can refer to them when time comes to nominate em'

LadyAce says, 'That sounds fine.'

Khelben says, 'but i still think the best source for remembering things should be the LT'

LadyAce chuckles politely.

Chunk tickles LadyAce.

Chunk says, 'problem is i need immortal support being reminders to check it out and post things'

LadyAce says to Khelben, 'we can try to make the imm info shorter. but you really would not believe the flak i caught when i stopped posting the imm info.'

Khelben says, 'even houses maybe you can get people to do tours of their houses then people are aware of them, i dont know who put my kitchen in there but its realyl a mess now'

Khelben says, 'damn hears all over teh hosue'

Khelben says, 'hearts'

Chunk says to Khelben, 'thats what the link could show though say tour this look at this person etc'

Chunk says, 'just need it so ppl will actually use it or look at it'

Chunk says, 'and most dont listen to mortals or forget when a post goes poofy'

Fuego says, 'put it on the website command'

Chunk says, 'maybe when i get new stuff on there i can send it to the LT about checking things out? i dunno how i could work that'

Chunk looks up into the sky and ponders.

Khelben says, 'i would write for the LT but i hate writing my own name much less anything of length'

Chunk giggles at Khelben.

LadyAce tickles Khelben.

Chunk says to LadyAce, 'how you think would be a good way of going about promoting such a site in the LT which is more permanent then a post on the boards?'

LadyAce says to Chunk, 'i think posts are about all we have'

Chunk could write in the LT about the club page and make reference to its links but dont know how to promote it during the year..

Chunk says, 'another thing cool about that is the possibilities of having new interesting write ins'

Chunk giggles.

Chunk says, 'anyway just had to ask that i feel expies should be or have a lot more ppl involved then a mere 4-5 ppl here and there that either always end up on the ballot or get there within a few months'

Chunk flops about helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'well, the max in each category is 5'

Chunk nods solemnly.

Khelben grumbles to LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'when possible, anyway.'

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