January 25th, 2001

Can EQ Change Put Us Overrent?

Plagasgraw says, 'so with the change to pfile equipment it's possible you could login, and suddenly be overrent?'

Ea! nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Yes. We're going to put in a warning message warning people if they log in over rent.'

Plagasgraw nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Same thing can happen if there's a crash.'

Kaige says, 'which will be cool cause it'll stay, and that way you'll also know after nice crashes or reboots.'

LadyAce says, 'as a general feature'

Plagasgraw beams delightedly.

Plagasgraw giggles.

Giordano shows his approval by clapping his hands together.

Plagasgraw says, 'sounds cool!'

Why aren't last Year's Expies Posted?

Plagasgraw says, 'why haven't the expies from last year been posted to oscar, or the ftp directory for LT issues?'

LadyAce says, 'well.'

LadyAce says, 'Expies were overseen by Flagg, and he didn't do those things.'

Plagasgraw says, 'last year they weren't done by him'

LadyAce says, 'Well...I don't really want to get into it, he's not here to say his side. But with this year, it's very clearly a PR thing, and I'll take care of the updates -- and the undone ones from before.'

Plagasgraw nods solemnly.

Plagasgraw says, 'every year but last year (which wasn't run by him as I recall) is posted, was just curious and all.'

Plagasgraw thanks LadyAce heartily.

Why is the rent so high on the SSS?

Cymo says, 'why is the SSS [silver serrated sword] so stinkin renty?'

Cymo ducks to the ground.

Sandra says, 'I answered you already'

Sandra pokes Cymo in the ribs.

Cymo gives Sandra a great big smooch!

Cymo says, 'it still makes no sense'

LadyAce says, 'cuz it's got stats and good damage and not that hard to get?'

Cymo says, 'i can see if it was the oooooooooollllllld repairable one'

LadyAce says, 'there's not any rent difference between repair and tf items'

LadyAce says, 'that's not a thing taken into account.'

HerbertWest says, 'yeah keep us creates employed dammit'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Cymo says, 'but they have a minus now true?'

LadyAce says, 'stuff like unrepairable or brittle is, tho'

Tobias says, 'brittle?'

Tobias blinks.

LadyAce says, 'well, I can't tell you the stats on an item'

LadyAce says to Tobias, 'brittle items scrap after 1 hit or so'

Cymo says, 'if its so easy to get then make it unrepairable'

Cymo says, 'with all that nasty rent'

LadyAce says to Cymo, 'you'll need to take that up with Kheldar, it's his item for those sorts of things'

Cymo nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Immortal Apps

HerbertWest says, 'Why is all the immort application information so vague'

Kaige says to HerbertWest, 'do you have any examples you found vague?'

HerbertWest says, 'Just with the procedure and amount of support docs'

HerbertWest says, 'like it gives you a rough guide to writing your proposal but nothing direct really'

LadyAce says, 'well, there's examples and all'

LadyAce says, 'is there something in particular?'

LadyAce says, 'is it a builder prop or admin or pr?'

HerbertWest says, 'Ok so theres an application and a department app, you do them both? or just department one?'

LadyAce says, 'both.'

Kaige says, 'both'

Sandra says, 'what they said'

LadyAce says, 'one is general, one specific'

HerbertWest says, 'ok.. so then if you need help with the department one for ideas it says ask the head..'

Cymo says, 'yeah i need to know bout the imm application stuffs'

Sandra nods her agreement with HerbertWest.

HerbertWest says, 'cos im kinda stuck and want to apply.. hehe'

HerbertWest says, 'can i apply at lvl22 if i know im gonna be 50th in time?'

LadyAce says, 'we're actually doing a Q & A on imm apps next week, but that's an FYI not to discourage asking today'

LadyAce says, 'when we get your app, you'd need to be 45'

HerbertWest sighs loudly.

Giordano says, 'its not till the end of March is it?'

HerbertWest says, 'so Sandra when ya get a minute want to have a chat with me?'

Kaige says, 'March 1'

Giordano nods solemnly.

HerbertWest says, 'hmmmm.... that could be doable... thanks for the help i will come to other Q&A'

LadyAce smiles at HerbertWest.

Giordano says, 'plenty of time'

Cymo says, 'going back to the imm applications, what if you can't decide on the department?'

Cymo smiles at LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'well...you should decide :)'

LadyAce says, 'it might help to talk to the dept heads about what you are interested in'

Kaige says, 'based on what YOU want to do, not which you think will be easier to get into'

LadyAce says, 'in general, you should apply where you have the most interest.'

More about Str Fighters

Cymo says, 'don't hate me cause I just don't get the str thing'

LadyAce says, 'the str thing?'

Cymo says, 'yeah why it seems that my alt slashes a lot'

Sandra says, 'coz that's the ones you notice =P'

Cymo snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'are they using a slash weapon?'

Kaige giggles.

Cymo tickles Kaige.

Ea! says to Kaige, 'I was debating if I should say that or not.'

Sandra giggles.

Cymo snickers softly.

Kaige will behave again before Cymo kills her.

Cymo says, 'well we've asked a bunch of ya, and LA said EA! was working on something, i just dont understand what he's working on'

Cymo says, 'i guesss'

Kaige says to Cymo, 'does you alt do everything to maximize damage done?'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think I've figured out what your complaint is.'

LadyAce says, 'you don't think your char does enough damage? It takes a really long time to kill things?'

Xena says, 'yes i rage all the time'

Ea! says, 'Well, I'm not actually working on it, it's just that we've got an idea that dex is getting more defensive bonuses than it should.'

LadyAce says, 'we're working on the problem in the sense that we're trying to figure it out, not that code is busily being written as we speak'

Ea! says, 'If there are defensive bonuses that are occuring more frequently than they should, we'll pull them out.'

LadyAce says, '90% of balance is thinking :P 10% coding.'

Xena says, 'i just think that with 37 dam i shouldnt be slashing as much as i do'

Sandra says, 'you left out the 5% of cussing =P Or am I the only one that does that?'

Xena snickers softly.

LadyAce says, '"slashing" -- you mean the "you slash hard" message?'

Xena says, 'and 29 hit'

Xena nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'are you using fighttype compact?'

Xena nods solemnly.

Ea! never uses fighttype compact.

Ea! says, 'slashing is below decimate?'

Kaige says, 'me either. it's so much harder to tell what's going on'

Kaige giggles.

Sandra watched you fight the other day and didn't see many 'slashes'.

Sandra ruffles Xena's hair playfully.

Ea! says to Kaige, 'I mainly find it boring.'

Xena says to Sandra, 'i told you thats cause you were watching :P'

LadyAce says, 'when you fight, make a tally sheet and keep track of how often you do what kind of damage, that's the best way to tell if you are just noticing some things more than others'

Sandra says, 'uh huh!'

Ea! says to Xena, 'I can assure you that there's no code that improves people's combat if imms are watching.'

LadyAce says, 'like write down all the messages and put little tick marks in. that way you'll know if it's perspective or reality'

Xena says, 'today i went from rip to slash in one round, kind of silly'

Sandra says, 'against what?'

Xena says to Ea!, 'i swear there is!'

Xena says, 'dumb sidhe, was money running'

Ea! says, 'It's also a lot more helpful to us if you can say "I did 60 rips, 50 slashes, and 100 decimates" than "I'm ripping more than I think I should be"'

Sandra says, 'did it dodge? Parry? Did you fall down?'

Pansi smiles happily.

Xena says, 'dont think so'

LadyAce says, 'did you hit its armor?'

Xena says, 'dont think so'

Ea! says, 'Also, it helps to try to keep as many varriables as possible constant -- fight the same type of mobs, use as few tactics as possible (and use them consistantly)...'

Sandra says, 'those're all things to look for too'

LadyAce says, 'lots of reasons your damage might vary, that's part of life for a str fighter...fewer hits mean missing one is worse'

Kaige actually gets lots of hits right now with her str fighter.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Sandra giggles.

Kaige says, 'but generally, yes'

Sandra says, 'mine's swinging a fork tongued sword! woo'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'ok, str fighter with traditional heavy weap :P'

LadyAce cheers for herself since no one else has.

Xena says to Kaige, 'dont do that, i might start to try and figure out who you are'

LadyAce says, 'fork-tongued are neatso'

Ea! says, 'That helps because if your numbers show that you're doing worse when they're stunned than not, we know there's a problem with stun... for example.'

Kaige says to Xena, 'I'd have to find time to play more often'

Xena says, 'it just seems odd cause i can rip when i'm on my butt'

LadyAce says, 'fight sitting then :)'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'wait wait! I gotta sit down first'

Kaige says, 'aha... see that little tidbit right there is SO much more useful than "str sucks"'

Xena tickles LadyAce.

Kaige sighs loudly.

Heineken says, 'doesn't sitting affect damage done to you not your hit?'

Ea! says, 'Rip is good or bad?'

Kaige says, 'at least gives a coder a place to start looking.'

LadyAce says, 'I think it's just noticing it mroe'

Ea! can't keep track.

Sandra says to Ea!, 'its just below damcap'

Xena says to Ea!, 'good'

Kaige says, 'much better'

Xena says, 'i FINALLY got a damcap today too, first one in a LOOOOONG time'

LadyAce says, 'I mean, if you damcap sitting on the ground, you notice. If you don't, you don't really make a note of it'

LadyAce says, 'keep a tally sheet, I'm tellin ya :)'

Sandra says, 'I think its funny when they decimate every round, then a little 'slash extremely hard' comes along and they throw a fit =P'

LadyAce says to Xena, 'we need your powers of research :)'

Sandra winks suggestively at Xena.

Tobias says, 'I'm sure there's a perfectly illogical explanation...'

Xena tickles Tobias.

Giordano nods his agreement with Tobias.

Xena sticks her tongue out at Sandra. =P

Legend Urban Legends?

Tobias says to Xena, 'What time was it? Maybe there's a good time to fight.'

Lorenzo takes one look at himself and gasps in astonishment!

Xena snickers softly.

Giordano says, 'perhaps its something to do with the moon'

Sandra giggles.

Heineken says, 'fight with a full stomach and twelve coins, it works I swear'

Tobias knocks Xena over and flops all over her.

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Xena chuckles politely at Heineken's feeble witticism.

Xena says, 'does a starving warrior fight better then a full one?'

Lorenzo says to Xena, 'Give all your equipment to someone in need. Everything will seem different then!'

Xena says, 'and i mean full of foood nothing else!'

LadyAce says, 'a starving warrior heals less in combat than a full one'

Sandra says, 'depends, are you fighting a cook?'

Xena snickers softly.

Ea! says, 'I don't believe the combat system currently takes hunger directly into consideration.'

LadyAce says, 'perhaps we shouldn't allow fighting until half an hour after eating. sorta like swimming'

Giordano says, 'I think we should have to get a balanced diet for peak performance'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Heineken says, 'but it gives you more HP when you level, right? *duck* *joking*'

Xena says, 'might get a cramp or something'

LadyAce giggles at Heineken.

Kaige chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'only if you're standing on tiptoe'

Kaige gives a quick polish to her halo. It now shines brightly.

Tobias looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'I'm not sure what to call these...Legend Urban Legends? :)'

Tobias eats a lot of ice cream and tries to balance on his toes.

Xena says, 'dont want to swing your sword and drop to the ground cause all of a sudden you got this massive cramp in your arm muscle'

LadyAce says, 'maybe that should be an expie category..."best myth about the way the game works"'

Tobias giggles.

Kaige says, 'we log EVERYTHING'

Kaige rolls her eyes heavenward.

Xena says, 'the IMMS pay the mobs off when i fight em!'

Kaige says to Xena, 'but we do'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'We're all figments of Kaige's imagination?'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Hey, you might not!'

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'all creatures in the Red King's dreams'

Kaige says, 'nah.. we're all Fionn'

Why can't you build houses some places?

Lorenzo says, 'When "you cannot build anything here," is there a different between there not being a slot that's designated hous-able, and the room's not having been considered?'

Lorenzo says, 'Or have all rooms been considered? :)'

LadyAce says, 'depends'

Chaykin says, 'ya shouldn't be able to build in all rooms anyway'

LadyAce says, 'probably worth inquiring of the builder, via tell/mail/idea channel'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Giordano says, 'some areas don't have housing yet...'

LadyAce says, 'it may be that there was an explicit decision not to put housing there'

LadyAce says, 'or it may be that the builder wanted to have about 15 spots, and picked 15, and that was that'

Lorenzo says, 'Thanks. I agree that not all rooms should support housing. Just curious whether there was any room for petition.'

Lorenzo smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'I like to think there's always some room for petition on most everything.'

Kaige says, 'sure.. I get ideas all the time for stuff... like a tunnel through the garbage in the dump in arabia'

Kaige is completely boggled.

Chaykin laughs with amusement.

Genocide is waiting for underwater housing.

Chaykin says, 'okie this issue I found this week and it's really just a matter of opinion on mine and at least a few other people's part, dunno if anyone else feels this way'

Genocide twirls world peace on the tip of his finger and expertly catches it in the air.

How can players help improve quests?

Chaykin says, 'I've been questing this week a lot and decided a lot of the area quests are not much fun and sometimes very tedious. They're based on random mob acts you don't know to watch for, or there are no hints, or you have to sit for hours at a'

Chaykin says, 'time in no_tell rooms or other such things'

Chaykin says, 'or maybe they depend on items you can only get during the day, or maybe you have to do exactly the right social and the mob gives you no clues'

Chaykin says, 'so I'm wondering what you guys think of this and whether we can maybe change things so the mobs are a little smarter when it comes to quests'

LadyAce says, 'well...I think you should bring those quests to our attention'

Kaige says, 'well, my best suggestion is use the idea channel a lot to help the builders out with that'

Ea! says, 'There's two types of quests that take a lot of time -- those that require you to wait for a specific event, and those that require you to spend time waiting in a specific place, isolated.'

Chaykin says, 'oh and one of my favorites'

LadyAce says, 'it's pretty likely that the mobs do have clues, but they may not be as frequent or as obvious as they need to be'

Ea! says, 'I think the first are reasonable and cool (like the Tudor quest). The second are annoying.'

Chaykin says, 'ones where you go through a big long quest where you have to get an item from someplace and that item has impossibly long repop times'

LadyAce says, 'I've had tons of people complain about quests where the mobs explicitly tell you what to do, and people haven't read what was said.'

Kaige says, 'burning?'

Genocide giggles at Kaige.

Sandra giggles.

Chaykin says, 'the lotus is the most obvious example, and there is a quest in Mycenae that is like that too, and of course the Agrabah one'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'well, I think that you have to be specific if you expect anything to change :)'

Kaige says, 'which agrabah one?'

Ea! says, 'Some of it has to do with questor attitude -- I mean, if you sit around in one room waiting for the incense to repop, of course it's going to be boring...'

Xena says, 'belly dancer'

Chaykin says, 'well I think the incense was changed...but other quests are like that. We did the Mycenae quest last night, were told to get an item from someplace, and it just wasn't there'

Xena says, 'prolly'

Ea! says, 'If you play the game and check in, it won't be boring.'

Chaykin says, 'well for example'

Chaykin says, 'I did one where you have to wait in a no_tell room for Menelaus to say something. You can't leave. and it takes forEVER'

Chaykin rolls his eyes heavenward.

Genocide nods his agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'complain :)'

Chaykin says, 'there's one quest I can think of that you can only do at level 15'

Xena says, 'i think he is'

Kaige says, 'I would drop Croaker notes about that if I were you. either mudmail or via idea'

LadyAce says, 'put it in bug file and we'll take a look at it'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'only at 15? if so, I'd say it's a bug for sure.'

Giordano says, 'I remember when the second part of the longhouse could take hours'

Xena nods her agreement with Giordano.

Chaykin says, 'I just seem to do a lot of quests that are really light on hints, are really anal about what you have to do, or are really boring. I can accrue some examples for next time if you want'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'yeah.. and I love when you change one so it's easier and everyone insists on doing it the old way (and people who use andara's deserve to do it that way)'

Giordano says, 'I think some of them need better hints, or people just give up and ask for the solution'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Giordano.

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'well, tell us about them as you find them and think of things to try that don't work'

Chaykin says, 'some of them are so insanely non-intuitive'

LadyAce says, 'you keep saying "some of them" ...'

Chaykin says, 'I know'

LadyAce says, 'please be specific!! :)'

Chaykin says, 'and I will get examples for you'

Kaige says, 'honestly... the best way to get it fixed is to be explicit'

Kaige smiles at Chaykin.

Kaige cheers for Chaykin - huzzah!

Chaykin says, 'the ones I gave you already though are a few'

Kaige nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'as a builder who worked darn hard to make quests that had good hints, and someone who was bad at quests as a mort...I want all the explicit info I can get :)'

Tobias giggles.

Chaykin giggles at LadyAce.

Tobias waves happily.

Giordano says, 'I keep noting things, but I have trouble remembering them...especially at 2am in the morning ;)'

Ea! says, 'Let me make a comment on quests that are really picky about how they're done or what you have to say to trigger them.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Giordano.

Kaige points to the bug channels

Kaige giggles.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Xena says, 'i remember when i did the ringmaster quest......i was there for hrs on end'

Ea! says, 'It's *really* hard for builders to predict what people are going to try. All of the builders *really* want to remove that pickiness. The best thing that you can do is let the builders know via bug what you tried.'

Xena kept screwing it up though.

Giordano nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'well it's like...I have no trouble with mobs that need you to do a specific action...but if you're even close to that action, they don't react, or say things that hint at what you should do'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, ''cause it might not occur to them that you'd say "potato" instead of "leak" or something like that.'

Kaige says, 'and invite various builders to go along questing with you sometime'

Chaykin says, 'I'll give you one example'

Kaige says, 'especially in areas they're maintaining'

Chaykin says, 'there is a quest in Alaska where you get trapped in a room with a mob'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'or leek too'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'right -- those are the hardest thing for the builder to predict.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Giordano says, 'one thing I hate is when you say something logical to a mob, and it doesn't say anything at all, where it normally would look at you as if it didn't understand'

Genocide nods his agreement with Giordano.

Giordano says, 'it turns out later that you had to do something else before you asked it that, but theres no hint'

Xena nods her agreement with Giordano.

Chaykin says, 'you have to ask the mob teach to get out. But if you ask it any number of other things, it doesn't react at all. You could ask it things and maybe it should say, "Did you want to ask me to teach you to get out of here?"'

Kaige says to Giordano, 'those sound like bad breaks.'

Kaige says to Giordano, 'bug those when you come across them'

Giordano nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'well okie...so I should bring this stuff up with builders then?'

LadyAce says, 'actually'

LadyAce says, 'it'd be better to do it on the bug channels'

Chaykin says, 'even if it's not necessarily a bug?'

Xena says, 'i thought bug channel was just for a bug'

LadyAce says, 'because more people than just the builder see those, like Kaige and Sandra, and they can thwap the builder'

LadyAce says, 'bug, idea, and typo'

Kaige says, 'I'll personally accept bug/typo/idea or mudmail.. or even email'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'same here'

LadyAce says, 'it's just long to type bug/idea/typo all the time :) sorry.'

Kaige says, 'no icq, cause I don't check it often enough'

Kaige giggles.

LadyAce says, 'they all go to the same place in the end, really :)'

Chaykin says, 'well it's not like the builder did anything wrong per se...the quest is just non-intuitive or doesn't have enough hints'

Kaige says, 'so that'd be idea. =)'

Giordano says, 'I find it hard to explain a complicated problem on the channel, because its not many lines'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'you can use multiple lines tho'

Chaykin says, 'oh yeah'

Kaige nods her agreement with Giordano.

Chaykin says, 'only 3'

Chaykin says, 'I've had ideas or bugs chopped'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'then again'

LadyAce says, 'it all goes straight to a file, so you can type in a sentence, enter, next sentence, etc.'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'oh really?'

Kaige says, 'yeah, you do have to be careful abou;t length still, but you can split it over several entries.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'cool, okie'

Giordano nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'it's a very simple system, it goes straight to a flat text file'

Chaykin says, 'oh oh'

Giordano says, 'do your lines stay together if somebody else writes one at the same time?'

Kaige says, 'ooh.. one of the things I want to do is be able to look at the last X of them online...'

Chaykin says, 'okie here's something'

Kaige says to Giordano, 'I'm very practiced at putting the lines together these days'

Giordano smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'it's not hard to do'

LadyAce says, 'we imms often record whole conversations on the idea channel'

Xena snickers softly.

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Able to tail the file from within the mud?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Backstab Skill Ideas

Chaykin says, 'I think a major reason why dex chars are so good lately is backstab. I think backstab is way too easy to use, and it doesn't make much sense that you can use it over and over even with the tick timer and especially when you can see the'

Ea! says, 'Shouldn't be too tricky.'

Chaykin says, 'see the person enter the room'

LadyAce says, 'someone will put in an idea and then 5 imms will comment on it, whole thing recorded like that in the file'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'I saw a snippet for it the other night while searching'

Chaykin says, 'so what about changing backstab so you can only use it when you are sneaking?'

Genocide raises his eyebrow at Chaykin.

Kaige says, 'you already get a bonus for it.'

Genocide says to Chaykin, 'then you are screwed if you don't sneak o have access?'

Chaykin says, 'well'

Chaykin says, 'perhaps make it so you could still use it if you're not sneaking but your chance of success is cut drastically'

Chaykin says, 'I mean'

Chaykin says, 'you see someone walk in'

LadyAce says, 'the message does say you sneak up behind...'

Chaykin says, 'and they sneak up behind you and backstab you?'

Chaykin says, 'it makes no sense'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'suggest that on idea?'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Vampyr says, 'i miss something cool?'

Kaige says, 'they did the other day? or was that on channels?'

Chaykin says, 'if it were harder to use it might not be so overpowering'

Chaykin says, 'that was prolly me, on channels'

Kaige says, 'I remember seeing someone talking about it'

Sandra says to Kaige, 'that was a clan channel'

Xena says, 'my alt misses half his backstabs...but then again he's little, and has low dex'

Sandra giggles.

Xena snickers softly.

Ea! says, 'It'd probably require making sneak easier...'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Chaykin says, 'it'd mean you'd have to re-sneak each time you used it'

Chaykin says, 'I think that alone would help balance it out'

LadyAce nudges Chaykin.

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'ideaideaidea'

Chaykin giggles.

Chaykin says, 'okieokieokie!'

Vampyr says, 'lemme see'

Vampyr says, 'have to sneak to backstab'

Vampyr says, 'i don't fail sneak ever :P'

Vampyr says, 'just got 10 successful sneaks in a row :P'

Vampyr says, 'i suppose it has skill lag etc'

Chaykin says to Vampyr, 'the idea is, sneak is broken when you fight. you'd have to resneak to do it again. it's more work'

Vampyr nods solemnly.

Vampyr says, 'i see what you mean'

Can EQ Change Put Us Overrent?

Dun says, 'lets say'

Dun says, 'I have 51k rent right now'

Dun says, 'and you update eq to more rent?'

Vampyr says to Dun, 'i have 50960 usually :P'

Dun says, 'is the rent of the items going to change, going to be more'

Ea! says, 'I think that there's two items that went up in rent.'

Dun says, 'so if I have those will I lose my eq'

Ea! says, 'If you're not sure, you might want to grab the new versions of everything you've got since then.'

LadyAce says, 'then you log in and you're over rent and need to get rid of stuff'

Vampyr nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Dun says, 'thats not any fun'

Xena nods her agreement with Dun.

Dun says, 'what items are going to be more ?'

Dun says, 'kraken/shoe/or leggings?'

Vampyr says, 'Your pfile can't lose it's eq :P unless you are on to lose it'

LadyAce says, 'you should be able to tell that because they already ARE more'

LadyAce says, 'it's not that they will be, they're already in there'

Vampyr says, 'the rent limits were changed on pfiles alreayd?'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Vampyr, 'no, the items in the game'

Xena says, 'no wonder why my rent is so damn high :P'

Vampyr says, 'er rent values on the items that were changed'

Vampyr snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'we haven't touched pfs yet'

Vampyr says, 'that's what he was asking :P'

Darla says, '50941 *shudder*'

Vampyr says, 'are the items on his pfile if they go up in rent, going to make him lose his eq :P'

LadyAce says, 'if he doesn't adjust, then yes'

Vampyr giggles.

Vampyr says, 'the next time he logs on anyway :P'

Ea! says, 'Right.'

Ea! says, 'Well, actually, the first time he logs in after the Feb 9 code update.'

Ea! says, 'Though if he's worried, he can adjust now.'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Ea!.

Sandra says to Camaris, 'well, now you know that on Feb 9, it'll be changed. So you've got 2 weeks to adjust ;)'

Ea! says to Camaris, 'Well, get the new version of the nine pieces of eq and see what happens.'

Ea! says, 'The 9 pieces of eq that changed are on the welcome board.'

Chaykin says, 'seriously, people need to change stuff now if they have to instead of waiting'

Melchior says, 'is it nine or ten?'

Sandra says, '9'

LadyAce says, 'I found 10 when I counted 'em.'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'maybe i listed one i shouldn't'

Sandra says, 'one isn't a hp/ma/mv item'

LadyAce says, 'oh, it was just revised.'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Melchior says, 'I'm late, but did y'all say what the new hp:con ratio will be?'

LadyAce is not big into eq :)

Chaykin smiles at LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Melchior, 'we can't release numbers like that'

Ea! says to Melchior, 'We can't give out in game information. You'll need to wait and see.'

Chaykin says, 'can you at least say roughly what the cutoff number of con is where your hp might go up?'

Kaige says, 'between 1 and 100?'

Melchior says, 'so we have two weeks to gather the information we will need to make the decision.'

Chaykin says, 'cute'

Chaykin giggles at Kaige.

Ea! says, 'Well, you have two weeks to adjust your eq.'

What's Next Big Thing? Expies.

Melchior says, 'so what's the next big thing to come down the pike?'

LadyAce says, 'Expies!'

Chaykin says, 'yay!'

Darla says, 'ooo'

Chaykin says, 'ooo'

Darla nominates Chaykin for best Uncle!

Chaykin cheers for himself since no one else has.

LadyAce points at Chaykin.

Darla smiles sweetly.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'what went wrong with the plans for using polls this year for the expies?'

Kaige says, 'spam'

Kaige giggles.

Chaykin says, 'too spammy?'

Melchior says to Chaykin, 'no write-in capability'

Kaige says, 'that was the biggest objection. Yeah'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Melchior.

LadyAce says, 'yeah, people worried that it would be too ugly'

LadyAce says, 'and talked me out of it :) so it goes'

Chaykin says, 'oh well, I thought it sounded cool, spam or no'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Melchior says, 'especially when you post Room and Character descriptions in a question'

Kaige says, 'me too'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Chaykin says to Melchior, 'so cut and paste :P'

LadyAce says to Melchior, 'well...we were going to make the available in game for reference, and a shorter version in the poll itself.'

Harkonnen waves happily.

Darla says, 'I like using email. It worked, because I was able to fiddle with it for days'

LadyAce says, 'and do nominations via mail as usual'

Kaige says, 'you could with the polls too, and if you didn't finish one question by the deadline all the others you had answered would have counted if you didn't get the mail sent'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Lorenzo says, 'How will the ballots be distributed? The LT subscribership?'

LadyAce says, 'initially'

LadyAce says, 'they're also available via mail for non LT subscribers'

Harkonnen says, 'you guys talking expies?'

LadyAce says, 'we've even taken them on mudmail for people without email, tho that seems pretty doubtful these days'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Harkonnen.

Lorenzo says, 'I just didn't notice that information anywhere, wanted to be sure I'm not missing it.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Melchior says, 'that and imm apps.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Melchior.

LadyAce says to Melchior, 'is more work for imms than the morts at large'

How many arrows in a quiver?

Harkonnen says, 'one - can a command be added to check how many arrows are in a quiver?'

Sandra says, 'like look in quiver?'

Chaykin says, 'l in quiver'

Sandra giggles.

Chaykin giggles.

LadyAce says, 'you could alias l i quiver to something i spose'

Harkonnen says, 'look works? hehe'

Harkonnen whaps himself across the back of the head!

Sandra nods her agreement with Harkonnen.

Sandra giggles.

Melchior says, 'look in'

Can we get a list of bugs we submit?

Harkonnen says, 'ok 2 - how about a command to list your ideas/bugs submitted'

Harkonnen says, 'put char name in the file - prob there now, and grep for it?'

Chaykin says, 'why do you need to see that?'

Harkonnen says, 'i always forget'

Harkonnen says, 'what i sent in to ask at Q&As'

Darla says, 'hmm, what silly things have I thought up this week?'

Chaykin giggles at Darla.

Ea! says, 'Well, we clean it out weekly and move them to the todo lists -- so at most you'd only get the last weeks...'

Harkonnen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Harkonnen says, 'just a thought'

Kaige says, 'no real questions in this week's lot that I can see'

Kaige says, 'from harkonnen at least'

Harkonnen chuckles politely.

Harkonnen is still thinking..

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'yeah, we can always go look for your name'

Ea! says to Harkonnen, 'you'd also forget which ones you've reported with other characters.'

Harkonnen says, 'unless you log IP's'

Harkonnen nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'But if you're unsure, we'd rather had a double-report than a non-report.'

Kaige thinks keeping a marked note handy for that or a file on your desktop is easier for peopel tho

Harkonnen nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'if it's that big a deal you could always paste your ideas to a text file when you enter them'

Harkonnen is lazy

Chaykin says, 'well that's no reason to make them code something for it'

Chaykin giggles.

More on Backstab Skill

Khufu says, 'have you discussed pk yet? i dont want to jump topics'

LadyAce says, 'none of our usual pk-talkers here to-night'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we have talked about pk, not this round'

Khufu smirks.

Khufu says, 'i was just wondering if theres any thought to changing backstab at all?'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Chaykin smiles happily.

Ea! says, 'There was the suggestion earlier that we make it a lot harder to succeed unless you're sneaking.'

Harkonnen says, 'would make perma sneak boots nice'

Harkonnen says, 'too bad htey no preserve'

Khufu says, 'i'm just saying this from the stand point that i'm probally one of the last non backstabing pkers around and i usually have no chance at winning a pk fight'

Khufu says, 'because of backstab'

Harkonnen says, 'well, how is EA! gonna scale hp?'

Harkonnen says, 'depends, that will help against BS'

Melchior says, 'that'd take out flee-return-backstab'

Darla says, 'what about having pcs get the same sort of alertness flags as npcs?'

Harkonnen says to Chaykin, 'ya and why do mobs dodge a million times more that pcs?'

Darla says, 'so at least they'll only be backstabs once'

Chaykin says to Darla, 'they do'

Khufu says, 'what about adding lag to it make it like bash?'

Darla looks up into the sky and ponders.

Harkonnen says, 'ya just good pkers time it well'

Chaykin says to Darla, 'once per tick, it's the same for pcs and npcs'

Harkonnen says, 'it was 2 rounds once everyone bitched'

Combat Starting Skills Besides for Dex?

McDonald says, 'followup question on backstab'

McDonald says, 'maybe if str and con had skills that also couldnt be used while fighting, such as backstab'

Chaykin says, 'what would that do?'

McDonald says, 'initiating only attacks, something yall might think about'

Ea! says to McDonald, 'We're not adding fight skills now.'

Harkonnen says, 'even the playing field hehe if htey were based on perc'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'we do have some coded but not ready to go in, a trees thing'

Harkonnen says, 'str/perc chars'

Darla says to McDonald, 'skill trees!'

Ea! says, 'If we were, then suckerpunch and the other one'd be high on the list.'

Harkonnen says, 'have to use same alert flag is all'

LadyAce says, 'ambush'

Ea! says, 'Suckerpunch, charge, and blindside.'

LadyAce says, 'suckerpunch is so cool'

Harkonnen says, 'STOP TEASING US!'

Darla says, 'oooh'

Chaykin says, 'what does it do?'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Harkonnen.

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'sorry'

McDonald says, 'yes well whenever you add it, dont matter much to me, just saying dex has the only skill like that as of now'

Harkonnen chuckles politely.

Melchior says, 'that just makes everyone the same'

LadyAce is happy cuz she designed some of 'em.

Darla raises her hand.

Ea! says to Harkonnen, 'If you go ic, I could suckerpunch you instead of teasing you.'

Harkonnen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Harkonnen says, 'ok'

Harkonnen says, 'dont kill me tho'

Ea! says to McDonald, 'Actually, backstab is much more of a perc thing.'

LadyAce says, 'we're as anxious as anyone to see this stuff go in :('

Ea! says, 'At least, it's meant to be.'

McDonald says, 'right but its only for dex weapons so....'

Chaykin says, 'what does suckerpunch do?'

Kaige catches Ea! totally unaware, ramming her fist into Ea!'s face.

Ea! wobbles around, dazed from Kaige's punch.

Ea! quickly attacks 18 times and hits 13 times.

Kaige parries an attack from Ea!!

Kaige quickly attacks and hits 10 times.

Kaige wounds Ea! as she drives her Great Flaming Spork of Evil Death into his flesh.

Kaige causes all in the room to be peaceful.

Xena laughs with amusement.

Melchior cheers wildly!

Chaykin says, 'wheee!'

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Kaige says, 'that'

Kaige giggles.

Cerberus says, 'massacre? wimpy!'

Kaige restores Ea!.

Darla laughs with amusement.

Chaykin says, 'awwww man!!'

Chaykin sniffs sadly.

Harkonnen sighs wistfully at the sight of Ea!.

Ea! says, 'And he missed it, 'cause he was ic.'

Ea! giggles.

Kaige says, 'Doh!'

Darla says, 'I thought a suckerpunch was a feint'

Chaykin laughs at Ea!.

Cerberus says to Harkonnen, 'you missed kaige vs. ea!'

McDonald says, 'thats one reason dex is nice, its only one that has that type of skill'

LadyAce says to Darla, 'it's punching someone with no warning in the stomach'

McDonald says, 'you make a skill only used while not fighting it can be more powerful'

When will we see those Dex Changes?

Chaykin says, 'when you guys talked about the hp/mama/mv code changes in the past you also mentioned a reduction in the number of references to dex in the code, is that going in as well this week or is it further ahead?'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'that's further ahead'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

McDonald says, 'set max damage to infinity'

McDonald giggles.

What's next new area?

Melchior says, 'what's the next area to go in and when?'

LadyAce says, 'I know that Hades was in testing, but Croaker is inactive.'

Sandra says, 'there's none slated to go in 'next' right now.'

Chaykin says, 'whoever finishes first usually'

LadyAce says, 'mediterranean trade was also in testing last I heard, but I don't see a lot of things announced about it'

LadyAce says, 'those are the two I know of right now'

LadyAce says, 'I should be putting the klein update into testing soon'

Chaykin says, 'no one is building feudal Japan'

Melchior says, 'spiffy'

Chaykin sniffs sadly.

McDonald says, 'london update inactive now?'

LadyAce says, 'this one being the mini update, not a big one'

Sandra says, 'I think Leila's london expansion/update is closest. But I've not talked to her much about it'

Xena says, 'so they can eat my gear some more?'

Kaige says, 'I wanted to have an expanion to the seoni jungle done by now, but'

Kaige hangs her head.

Chaykin comforts Kaige.

Harkonnen comforts Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'I've seen Leila more lately than I used to, so London is also progressing'

Xena hugs Kaige reassuringly.

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'Maybe by this summer for the next Oddyssey'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'hm, good point :)'

Melchior says to Kaige, 'the next Odyssey?'

Harkonnen says, 'i still think Ptah's earings quest in seoni is the coolest'

Kaige says to Melchior, 'we did one this summer wheere we set aside June, july and August, once month and focused on each era'

LadyAce says to Melchior, 'summer odyssey, june for ancient, july for medieval, august for industrial'

Melchior nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'with area updates and pr events for each'

LadyAce says, 'updates, events, etc.'

Darla says, 'that was fun'

More on Combat Skills

McDonald says, 'ok i missed what you said you were working on right now, adding small code right? was still wondering about the initiating attack skills. you know since con and str dont have attacks like these,'

Chaykin says, 'they said they're not adding any fight skills now'

McDonald says, 'it wouldnt necessarly have to wait for skill trees, and might balance things, what are your thoughts'

Harkonnen says to McDonald, 'they want to avoid skill re-imbs'

LadyAce says, 'we don't really want to add new skills before trees'

Sandra says, 'I dunno, if I'm con, walking up and headbutting seems to start a fight pretty well =P'

Harkonnen says, 'we covred this tons fwe Q&As ago'

McDonald says, 'but not as well as backstab a lot of people say'

Skar says, 'bash seems pretty effective to me.'

McDonald says, 'headbutt does no damage per se and backstab can do same thing as headbutt'

Cerberus says, 'skill reimbursements kindof suck, I'd want as few as possible too :('

McDonald says, 'bash also does no damage and does less than backstab no stun'

Harkonnen says to Cerberus, 'ya should be able to give up ANY skill'

Cerberus shrugs philosophically.

Xena loves to bash bash bash bash but not slash slash slash.

Sandra says, 'granted, backstab does damage, alot at once, but other skills do different things'

McDonald says, 'right, is it skill reimbs your avoiding?'

Skar says, 'bash does damange, doesn't it?'

Cerberus says, 'its more the trouble of going through every character in the alotted time.'

Harkonnen says, 'ya like 12'

LadyAce says, 'not just skill reimbs, but doing work we have to then re do'

McDonald says, 'not much damage'

Chaykin says, 'that's why I think backstab should be a lot harder to do successfully than it is'

McDonald nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Skar says, 'Bah. Bash immobilizes you and prevents you from using skills. That's pretty damn good.'

McDonald says, 'was a followup to your question kinda'

LadyAce says, 'everything we do with new skills would need redoing, it's like putting new wine in old wineskins'

Chaykin says, 'I'm told that in some other games backstab has to be set up perfectly to go off right'

McDonald says, 'so does para backstab'

Harkonnen says to Chaykin, 'maybe only PARA on sneaks if your lucky?'

Harkonnen says, 'cant para on a non-sneaking bs'

Skar says, 'So then there's no reason for str to be upset.'

Chaykin says to Harkonnen, 'they're still too much damage'

Harkonnen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says to Harkonnen, 'now that I like'

Harkonnen says, 'scale up UP'

Chaykin says, 'to do all the time like they are'

Harkonnen nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Cerberus says, 'scale it up a bit and I like it too'

Harkonnen says to Chaykin, 'yes they are based on current HP'

Harkonnen reports: 425/425 hp 585/585 mana 379/383 mv.

Skar says to Kaige, 'Don't forget hidden or invisible.'

Chaykin giggles at Nietzsche.

Kaige nods her agreement with Skar.

Harkonnen says, 'but prob is detect hidden negates sneak'

Harkonnen says, 'would make mages NON bs-able'

Sandra says, 'not if the backstabber faded'

Skar says, 'oooh. great idea!'

Harkonnen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Chaykin says, 'and not if the backstabber caught them off guard'

Cerberus says, 'would be cool if you could riposte a failed backstab...'

McDonald says, 'yah detect hidden is too cheap to detect sneak i think maybe'

Harkonnen says, 'define off guard'

Darla says, 'I always thought hide and detect hidden were rather odd. Why does it take a spell, and not just having good perception?'

Melchior says, 'sitting or sleeping'

Chaykin says to Harkonnen, 'without a detect hidden spell'

Chaykin giggles.

Harkonnen nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Kaige says to Harkonnen, 'without detect hidden on?'

Kaige giggles.

Harkonnen says, 'ya mages that cannot be BS'd every would rule'

Chaykin cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Harkonnen says, 'ever'

Harkonnen peers at himself myopically.

McDonald says, 'take away backstab or tweak it and dex isnt overpowered maybe, most could agree with that i think'

Chaykin says, 'they could be backstabbed fine, it would just be harder and take more effort, I don't think that's so much to ask for a skill like backstab'

Cerberus says, 'just make para impossible without surprise, and backstab stays the same'

Cerberus says, 'with a little extra damage'

Harkonnen nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Harkonnen says, 'they doo nuff damage'

Skar says, 'Automatic para is the person has afk turned on.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Harkonnen.

Harkonnen says, 'got a 90 HP on me last night'

Darla says, 'para only possible if the weapon is small'

McDonald says, 'idea, awareness a chance to not be backstabbed that slowly gets lower the more ticks after backstab instead of all or nothing like now?'

Cerberus says to Harkonnen, 'if you take away para then snipers will be at the bottom of the totem pole again'

Chaykin says, 'no they won't :P'

Harkonnen says to Cerberus, 'para when sneaking/invis/hidden'

Harkonnen says, 'still can do 70 hp special every tick'

Harkonnen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says, 'just requires them to be more like they should be - sneaky'

Skar says, 'Isn't there already a bonus to para chance if you're hidden, sneaking, or invisible?'

Darla says, 'snipers have alot going for them. Changing backstab will only hurt them slightly'

Harkonnen says to Skar, 'myth i think'

Skar says, 'maybe it shouldn't be.'

Cerberus says, 'if you change that, wfw might have to be changed in the same manner'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'soes sound like an interesting idea, suggest it on the idea channel?'

McDonald says, 'right, and if they were too weak, detect hidden could be removed or tweaked also'

Chaykin says to Skar, 'but it shouldn't be possible to be so successful as it is now, without sneaking'

Harkonnen says to Cerberus, 'or capped at 3 rounds'

Cerberus says, 'or something'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'the gradient instead of all-or-nothing idea i mean'

LadyAce nods her agreement with McDonald.

McDonald nods solemnly.

McDonald says, 'hope you dont mind us kinda thinking out loud during q n a'

Cerberus says to McDonald, 'isn't that the point?'

Chaykin says, 'nah, this is mostly what every Q&A is'

Kaige says, 'as long as it's on topic it's not usually a problem'

Kaige smiles happily.

McDonald says, 'depends if they want orderlyness'

Harkonnen says, 'i like the no-para wihtout sneak/inivs idea'

Cerberus nods solemnly.

Harkonnen says, 'but'

LadyAce says, 'well, I usually try to make the beginning orderly and let things go a bit more in the end'

Harkonnen says, 'you can para on a stunner person right'

Chaykin says, 'I also think it should miss more without the sneak/invis, but that's just me'

Harkonnen says, 'stunned'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Harkonnen.

Lorenzo hunts for a copy of Robert's Rules.

LadyAce says, 'that way the clearcut stuff is done right off, and the discussion can be free later'

Xena licks Darla.

Xena says to Darla, 'yummy!'

Chaykin laughs at Darla.

Darla licks her lips and smiles.

Cerberus says, 'yeah backstabbing a stunned opponent shouldn't change'

Harkonnen says to Cerberus, 'wfw/para BS's are actually fairly common i have found'

Harkonnen says to Cerberus, 'got a couple with only 30 perc'

Skar says, 'I don't think backstab should be changed. A change I would like to see is disabling wimpy when you're suffering from skill lag.'

Cerberus says to Harkonnen, 'me too'

Harkonnen flexes his bulging, impressive muscles.

Darla pounces on Chaykin, bowling him over.

Harkonnen nods his agreement with Skar.

Harkonnen says, 'put the skill in pk'

Harkonnen says, 'last for pk, i dont care about mob killing'

Chaykin says, 'I think the backstab change would be better'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Harkonnen says, 'at least - man i can't type tonight'

Skar says, 'To me, that's the most devastating thing about dex fighters.'

Cerberus says to Skar, 'max wimpy?'

Skar nods solemnly.

McDonald says, 'along the same lines, skill issues i guess, a panic warcry doesnt set wimpy to 0 on players does it? maybe it should'

LadyAce says, 'the backstab thingy could be a pk only thing, doesn't need to affect mobkill btw'

Cerberus says to Skar, 'well its sortof the core of what they are'

Harkonnen says to McDonald, 'think it does'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Harkonnen says, 'it should'

Skar says, 'It shouldn't be. I think it's what people have been used to.'

Melchior says to LadyAce, 'oh yeah, the coders will love that'

Harkonnen says, 'but takes 1 sec to set it back to 0'

LadyAce says, 'should put your idea about wimpy on idea, not sure if it is possible'

Skar says, 'I did a long time ago.'

LadyAce says to Melchior, 'well, pk does get exceptions in some places, it's not out of the question'

Harkonnen says, 'and add PK only to it'

Harkonnen says, 'change mob kill and the masses will be upset'

LadyAce says to Melchior, 'some people feel stronger about making them the same than I do. *shrug*'

Chaykin says, 'yeah Vandervecken will launch another tirade if you changed backstab for mobkill too'

Darla says, 'most high level mobs see you when you're sneaking anyway. You can't sneak hardly anywhere'

Harkonnen says, 'ya noticed that'

High Perc and See Hidden

Kaige says, 'who asked earlier why you had to have a spell to see hidden?'

Darla says to Kaige, 'I did. It was more a rhetorical question'

Kaige says to Darla, 'a high enough percept should let you see hidden people too'

Kaige has been searching the code for that.

Harkonnen says to Kaige, 'dont think that works anymore'

Darla says, 'well, at 100 perc I can't'

Harkonnen says, 'but it used to i *think*'

Darla says, 'er, 96 perc'

Harkonnen says, 'should be like 91+'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Harkonnen looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige shakes her head.

Harkonnen says, '90+'

Kaige says, 'not that high'

Chaykin says, 'I know it lets you see sneaking people enter, but I've never seen hidden people with 100 perc on my sniper'

Cerberus says, 'I don't think its ever worked for me'

Chaykin says, 'so if it's there it must be a REALLY small chance'

Chaykin smiles at Wijf.

Kaige says, 'doh.. looking at that closer I think I see a problem with it...'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cerberus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Harkonnen says, 'heh kaige has the code up in another window'

Kaige goes to work that out and will be fixing that.

LadyAce says, 'perc makes you see exits not people'

Chaykin giggles.

Kaige usually does.

Cerberus cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Darla smiles happily.

Kaige giggles.

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'it should allow you to see hidden period.'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'well...maybe it should...just never has'

Cerberus says, 'I think thats been messed up for years, funny no one caught on'

Chaykin says, 'wow, real-time, on-the-fly bug fixes!'

Chaykin cheers wildly!

LadyAce says, 'Far as I knew, it was intentional all along.'

LadyAce says, 'it's even in helpfiles'

Darla says, 'I always thought it was strange. It makes hide almost the same as invisible'

Chaykin says, 'cept you can't move or do anything'

Skar nods his agreement with Darla.

Harkonnen says, 'cept yo ucant move, cast or do anything'

Darla says, 'actually, it says you can in the help hide file'

Skar says, 'At least you can use ooc commands, like who list and such.'

Chaykin says, 'well whatever it may say there, the hide breaks if you take an action'

Skar says, 'I think thief skills should be usable without breaking hide.'

Skar says, 'sneak, especially.'

LadyAce says to Darla, 'well...it used to say so in the helps :) we used to answer this question a lot in q & a.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Skar.

LadyAce can't remember it ever being otherwise anyway.

Darla says, '" your presence in the room is detectable only with sense life or if the observer has extremely high perception."'

Skar says, 'sense life?'

Skar snorts derisively.

Harkonnen says, 'census'

Harkonnen says, '3c spell'

Chaykin says, 'sense life'

Chaykin snickers softly.

Is Base HP Changing?

Harkonnen says, 'ok this for ea!' hp changes - is base HP being changed'

Harkonnen says, 'or just the hp from +con gear/stat'

Harkonnen says, 'and what kidna scale change we talking'

Harkonnen wants some numbers dangit!

Chaykin says to Harkonnen, 'they're not gonna give numbers :P'

Sandra says, 'sorry, no numbers'

Chaykin says to Harkonnen, 'when do they ever give out formulae?'

Chaykin peers at Harkonnen, looking him up and down.

Harkonnen says, 'we'll have them tomorrow!'

Sandra says, 'not from us you won't ;)'

Cerberus says, 'they go in tomorrow?'

Harkonnen says, 'ok be general then'

Harkonnen nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Sandra shakes her head.

Huginn says to Harkonnen, 'more'

Harkonnen laughs with amusement.

Huginn nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Chaykin giggles.

LadyAce says, 'you should just wait and log in and see how things have changed for you and your nearest & dearest.'

Sandra giggles.

Cerberus looks up into the sky and ponders.

Harkonnen says to Huginn, 'more mana?'

Wijf has no nearest and dearest....

Wijf bursts into tears.

Chaykin says, 'I personally just want to wait and see, I don't wanna have it spoiled for me before it happens'

Skar rubs his hands together greedily.

Harkonnen says, 'i do!'

LadyAce smiles at Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'no fun that way'

Cerberus says, 'more move? (especially at low levels)'

Huginn says to Harkonnen, 'its possible '

Harkonnen says, 'but base hp not changing?'

Huginn says, 'I think it'll be a good change..'

Sandra says, 'we're not gona tell, so no matter how you ask, the answer's the same =P'

Harkonnen says, 'like when we got re-rolled for hp when Gail's code went in'

Harkonnen sighs loudly.

Chaykin says, 'if you have high con you are prolly gonna have higher hp. since it's not changes to eq then it must be base hp'

Xena says to Harkonnen, 'sandra's too mean to give out #s'

LadyAce says, 'hp/ma/mv based on stats is what is being changed.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Harkonnen cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

Harkonnen sticks his tongue out at everyone! =P

Cerberus says, 'so this will make +hp/ma/mv items do less as a percentage'

Headbutt Staggering Too Often?

Darla says, 'ok, my con char seems to stagger on headbutts about half the time, and I've noticed other people staggering a lot. Is headbutt supposed to fail THAT often, or is there some problem with it's code?'

Chaykin is especially looking forward to it because he has two level 50 chars with 100 con and not a stitch of +hp stuff on em.

Chaykin throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Xena nods her agreement with Darla.

Harkonnen says to Chaykin, 'i have one too'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Darla.

Cerberus says, 'the fabled headbutt button'

Chaykin says to Harkonnen, 'then that char will be very happy tomorrow'

LadyAce says, 'hb does seem to make my chars keeel over a lot'

Cerberus nods solemnly.

Harkonnen says, '*peer 40 con*'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Darla says, 'perhaps it could be looked into?'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'she's right, this char staggers tons as well'

LadyAce says, 'but I dunno if we want to open that can of worms yet....'

Chaykin mourns his own inadequacies - you feel sorry for him.

Huginn nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Darla pets Chaykin lovingly.

Harkonnen says, 'headbutt just sucks'

Cerberus says, 'if its supposed to be similar chances to a flipped choke, or a fall from elbow, its messed for sure'

Skar says, 'headbutt was cool when it was con vs con.'

LadyAce says, 'there are a lotta other things on queue...I like to change one variable at a time so I know what is really happening'

Harkonnen says, 'self stagger, misses, tumbles'

Harkonnen says, 'lands like 1 in 4'

Cerberus peers at himself myopically.

User Defined vs Absolute Color Codes

Xena says, 'if i were to make an illusion, to make it look like a room desc, how would i know thats the color that everyone sees? is there a way to do that?'

Kaige says to Xena, 'use |U# instead of |#'

Chaykin says to Xena, '(pipe)U'

Chaykin says to Xena, 'then look at color list'

LadyAce says, 'you could make it the same color as rooms with a U between the pipe and the number'

Kaige says, 'the U is for user defined instead of absolute'

Xena falls to her knees and worships Kaige's existence.

Darla says, '|U then the number from color list'

Chaykin says to Xena, 'and use the number to the left of the color category'

Chaykin says, 'like when you use U6 you will see in color list that is normal color'

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'your turn to ask a question'

Kaige says, 'it's why so many people screw up faking info's and stuff'

Kaige giggles.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin knows the sekrit!

Is Tumble Overpowered?

Harkonnen says, 'anyone think tumble is kinda over powered at times??'

LadyAce says, 'well, i think we have a problem with dex'

Harkonnen shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'i'm not sure if you can really blame one skill so much as the whole area needs a look-see.'

Skar says, 'I'm annoyed everytime someone tumbles a stun spell.'

Harkonnen nods his agreement with Skar.

Sandra nods her agreement with Skar.

Harkonnen says, 'i hate resurges even more'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'do you have any examples you know of where the dex of the attacker or attackee is checked too many times?'

Skar says, 'stun spell is mind vs mind, which is cool. Throwing it off with a dex skill sucks.'

Sandra says, 'I bitch every time I fight a sniper because they tumble most of my stuns =P'

Xena snickers softly.

Huginn says, 'the problem isn't tumble'

Huginn shrugs helplessly.

Xena says to Sandra, 'you must bitch a lot'

Xena ducks to the ground.

Skar nods solemnly.

Sandra says to Xena, 'then I wfw them, and set their eq on fire and feel some better ;)'

Chaykin says, 'bleh, it's rare that I ever see her lose :P'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'i don't know where it was, I just know there were places Rufus found. I think that was followed by a lot of coderspeak I couldn't understand'

Skar jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Sandra!

Sandra giggles.

Darla chuckles politely.

Chaykin giggles at LadyAce.

Skar says, 'But I doubt the coders will disqualify stun spell from tumble.'

Chaykin says, 'why would they disqualify stun from tumble? they added it in the first place because stun was too powerful :P'

Chaykin says, 'no way, I like that stuns can be tumbled'

McDonald says, 'because tumble is in turn too powerful also?'

Skar says to Chaykin, 'fine, then let me dodge backstabs cuz I'm so smart.'

McDonald says, 'just in different circumstances'

Harkonnen says to Skar, 'well if they put that sneaking to para thing in ...'

Harkonnen says, 'mages will be helped'

Chaykin says to Skar, 'they made stuns tumble-able when they didn't used to be, because stun was overpowered. Why change it back just so mages can have it easier again?'

Huginn says, 'the only real problem with tumble is that you can do it while blind'

Paralyze Spell?

Harkonnen says, 'is the paralyze stun type spell gonna go in ever?'

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'paralyze stun type spell?'

Harkonnen nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce comforts Skar.

Harkonnen says, 'ea! talked about it few Q&As ago'

Harkonnen says, 'making it like stun spell'

Harkonnen says, 'hopefully without the lame resurge and tumble'

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'Hmmm....'

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'if it was in an old Q & A, go look there? :) I don't know what spell you mean'

[Ea! haprevious said he would consider the possibility of duplicating the stun spell with a change so that instead of stunned they were paralyzed instead for RP options. -Kaige] HerbertWest says, 'yeah i want my paralyze spell, mmm'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we have any news on that beyond what's in the helpfile'

Wijf says, 'Personally I think mages have it sweet already..... pretty much everyone cept us str-fighters have it sweet actually....'

Skar says to Chaykin, 'I still hate that change, because it makes it possible to ditch a mental attack because of physical skill. Take the same reasoning and reverse it and you see how stupid it is.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Wijf.

Kaige says, 'a mental attack that is manifested in a beam sent at the target...'

More on User defined colors

Lorenzo says, 'A related question about color: how can we know which user color is being used? We can only see which color that translates to in our color scheme, if I understand correctly - not which entry in the map that is.'

Harkonnen says, 'color list'

Chaykin shakes his head.

Lorenzo shakes his head.

LadyAce says, 'there are two sets of numbers'

LadyAce says, 'numbers that go with actual colors'

Chaykin says, 'using U# automatically uses whatever their color is'

LadyAce says, 'and numbers that correspond to particular color slots'

Harkonnen says, 'color guide'

LadyAce says, 'i could use any color value for my color slot 27'

Harkonnen says, 'there is no slot 27'

Harkonnen peers at LadyAce, looking her up and down.

Lorenzo says, 'No, no, I understand the |# and |U# thing, and the help guides.'

LadyAce says, 'if you did a U27, it'd show up in my 27 slot in the color I picked'

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'it's an example, hun'

Harkonnen nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'There's potential for ambiguity there, though, because a color can map back to multiple user mappings.'

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'true, more slots than colors to fill them, and you'll never know what color they've defined'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo says, 'OK, just wanted to be sure that not knowing is intentional.'

LadyAce says, 'so you use U when you want what you do to match their settings, and no U when you want your decision to be absolute'

Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Kaige says, 'exactly'

Lorenzo smiles at Kaige.

Harkonnen says, 'i always use absolute color setting'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'Not that I disagree with that!'

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'it's no good for fakery tho :)'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Harkonnen says, 'i remember getting a warning for fakery'

Harkonnen peers at himself myopically.

Chaykin says, 'sides, when you fake channel messages on channels the imms tend to get annoyed'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'although'

LadyAce says, 'we mostly get annoyed when you invoke our names in them :)'

Wijf says to Chaykin, 'Don't you think it odd you can speak in colour ?'

Chaykin says, 'I once fooled Ptah with one of mine'

Harkonnen says, 'or bad words'

Chaykin sharpens his nails against his shirt in self-congratulations.

Harkonnen snickers softly.

Chaykin says, 'for all of 5 seconds anyway'

Harkonnen says, 'like when death info was static, trying to get hte triggers to go off on dumb names'

Lancelot raises his hand.

Chaykin says to Wijf, 'I find it odd that I can talk to people from across the mud, but who cares? it's fun'

Wijf says to Chaykin, 'Too true :)'

Chaykin says, 'and so is talking in color!'

HerbertWest says, 'like i always said its planet wide telepathy'

Kaige says to Wijf, 'speaking colorfully is a good thing'

Harkonnen says to Chaykin, 'that you couldnt'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Harkonnen.

HerbertWest says, 'and the color is your emotion :P'

Chaykin says, 'actually I once spoke in color for awhile with my old char, but Ptah told me to stop because it was a lame RP device'

Chaykin giggles.

Harkonnen looks up into the sky and ponders.

McDonald says, 'your speaking in color now :)'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'I think color can be fun, where ever you want to use it :P'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'I think so too :)'

Lorenzo says, 'As long as it isn't black!'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Chaykin's head.

Harkonnen says to LadyAce, 'add more color'd +5 net stat items to game'

Chaykin was using black, which prolly didn't help.

Chaykin giggles.

Chaykin says, 'yeah why not?'

Lorenzo cannot see black without highlighting.

Chaykin says, 'I just configured my client to display black just a shade lighter than the black background'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Kaige says, 'me too'

Lorenzo ponders configuring xterm to make black not-black.

McDonald says, 'bleah on colors'

Lorenzo says, 'A-ha! xterm -xrm 'XTerm*color0: #ff0000' :)'

Breaking Rage Affect

Harkonnen says, 'ok RAGE skill'

Harkonnen says, 'seems to me that headbutt/stun didnt' break the fact you were raging'

Harkonnen says, 'not it does - i bugged it few times'

Harkonnen says, 'if i remember right hte help rage files says til you die or your attaker dies'

Harkonnen says, 'so anyone know?'

Harkonnen says to Huginn, 'ok you the coder here'

LadyAce says to Harkonnen, 'I'm not sure if it does or not, check and see...'

Harkonnen says, 'i did'

Harkonnen says, 'rage breaks on any headbutt stun para'

Harkonnen says, 'should still be raging, especially since its a near 1 round lag to rage'

Kaige says, 'helpfile probably needs updated, since stun was added well after rage'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Harkonnen says, 'well is it broke'

Harkonnen says, 'it used to last thru stuns'

Harkonnen says, 'now it doesnt'

Chaykin says, 'when was that?'

Chaykin looks very confused.

Harkonnen says, 'changed when rufus put in the code to hit back on a stun round depending on PRIo'

LadyAce says, 'report it as a bug yet?'

Harkonnen nods his agreement with LadyAce.

McDonald says, 'actually you can type kill rage and start raging before the round starts sometimes'

LadyAce says, 'all in the timing'

Harkonnen says to McDonald, 'ya idead usign rage to init combat'

McDonald says, 'cant remember if you can get a headbutt off sometimes'

Huginn thinks that will make inspire alot harder to get out of too

Chaykin says, 'one thing I think is cool is you can rage, kill something, kill another mob right after and if you time it right you never break your rage'

Harkonnen says to Huginn, 'right, but having 50 mind, get inspired stun the innkeeeper to break and flee?'

Huginn says to Harkonnen, 'true.. I'm just saying there are 2 sides to it'

Harkonnen says, 'sucks for str fighters to have to re-rage every heabdutt'

Harkonnen says, 'maybe make rage have zero delay'

Harkonnen says, 'would fix it for everyone'

Chaykin says, 'then what was the big deal? :P'

Wijf nods her agreement with Harkonnen.

Harkonnen shrugs philosophically.

McDonald says, 'um, does rage have a delay? it almost seems like it doesnt'

Harkonnen says, 'ya little less than 1 round'

Chaykin says, 'it has about a half round delay that I can see'

Harkonnen says, 'long enough when bashign to get re-headbutted'

Chaykin says, 'I don't use rage in pk unless I get an inspire, bind, or para'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

McDonald says, 'i think stun should make you have to rerage, but yah maybe no delay at all'

Harkonnen says to Chaykin, 'try a str fighter?'

Chaykin says to Harkonnen, 'yes, I'm talking about str fighters :P'

Wijf goes EEK! at Lorenzo in distress - isn't Lorenzo an awful person for teasing?

McDonald says, 'why wouldnt you want to rage, its nice'

Ea! says to Lorenzo, 'I use darkgrey when I use color.'

Chaykin says, 'because if they're just going to flee or stun you again, it's a waste of time'

McDonald says, 'specially if you can bounce it 10 or so rooms'

McDonald says, 'if they flee you can follow them and type kill again and stay raged'

Lorenzo says to Ea!, 'I always use ff0000 for obvious color testing, cause I never really want blazing red.'

Chaykin says, 'yeah if you're not skill lagged'

McDonald says, 'right, if you use rage instead of a skill you can do it :)'

Chaykin says, 'yeah but instead of raging you could have bashed them again :)'

Harkonnen says, 'seems odd that the best tactic against a sniper if yo uare str is to spam kill/rage'

Harkonnen says, 'tumbled 45%'

Chaykin says, 'plus, with str the way it is, even raging you don't do that much more damage'

McDonald says, 'bash does about the same as rage doesnt it?'

Harkonnen says, 'rage does more'

McDonald says, 'gives 33 percent more damage?'

Chaykin says, 'yeah but rage doesn't keep them from fleeing/shooting/whatever'

McDonald says, 'right, but theres less lag :)'

Harkonnen says, 'if you figure they tumble have the bashes but you still have 3 round of lag'

Harkonnen says, 'best NOT to bash'

McDonald says, 'maybe you should use it shrug'

Chaykin says, 'I've done well with bash, but then, I have a good link and can usually get it in before they rebackstab or whatnot'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

McDonald says, 'if you got 2 round lag from bash it isnt too link dependant'

Chaykin says, 'but you don't, you have 3'

McDonald says, 'might not be the best against someone going max wimpy,not saying its bad, maybe just experiment'

McDonald says, 'right 2 or 3 whichever, dont use bash'

McDonald says, 'er i dont use it i mean'

Trivia Games

McDonald says, 'trivia soon?'

McDonald says, 'notice not on events, should i look on the trivia board?'

McDonald says, 'er public relations board? im out of date'

LadyAce says, 'I don't usually put stuff on those 2 boards'

LadyAce says, 'I always use events & the LT'

McDonald says, 'nod, so there might be a new trivia imm? did i read that somewhere?'

LadyAce says, 'trivia board was for the old regular weekly trivia thingy, pr is for internal stuff really'

LadyAce says, 'that might've been a year ago or somethin'

McDonald says, 'heh'

LadyAce says, 'far as I know, we haven't got one'

LadyAce says, 'Natalia is working on putting some trivias together'

LadyAce says, 'I do about one a month, and there's player trivias'

McDonald says, 'nice, well thats all i got'

Kaige smiles at McDonald.

McDonald smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'Sandra did a legend trivia a few weeks back, too'

LadyAce smiles at McDonald.

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'nice of you to stop in'

McDonald says, 'yah i think i saw that, was very hard'

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says to Wijf, 'and you :)'

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'and you :)'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

LadyAce says, 'goodnight all'

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