January 18th, 2001

Scaling Damroll for Str?

Chaykin says, 'okie, my Q is, any chance of scaling up damroll for str, naturally, and taking out old dam gear, like you did with hp?'

LadyAce says, 'part a: not right now'

LadyAce says, 'part b: probably never'

Chaykin says, 'okie, why?'

LadyAce says, 'we don't want to mess with very much more balance stuff, we want to make progress on features'

Dude says, 'ahhh yes... the hole that is sucky str hitting deepens'

LadyAce says, 'we haven't finished putting in our hp/ma/mv changes'

Chaykin says, 'so you don't think it makes sense to do?'

LadyAce says, 'and we can't plan the next balance change until we know how that will work out'

LadyAce says, 'after we've had our changes in for a while, we can see what effect they've had. If we change too many variables at once, we won't know where the errors are.'

Chaykin nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Gondar nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'it's not exactly scientific but we do try to be methodical'

LadyAce says, 'on the dam gear, the reason we're not pulling it is because we said we wouldn't'

Chaykin says, 'well'

LadyAce says, 'we've only pulled gear something like 3 times in the history of the mud'

Chaykin says, 'you may know I'm one of the people trying to keep mine'

LadyAce says, 'we hate it, players hate it, and it's very disruptive'

Gondar says, 'make it an even 4 *duck*'

Lorenzo sits down on a large prickly hedge.

LadyAce says, 'I can understand why it upsets people, it feels invasive and unfair.'

Gondar bonks himself on the head and looks sheepish.

Chaykin says, 'but if it would really help, and if my str fighters would gain back most of the damroll by having it scaled, I wouldn't mind. I think a lot of people wouldn't'

Gondar says, 'sorry'

Vampyr says, 'i missed something are you pulling hp gear off pfiles?'

Chaykin says to Vampyr, 'they're just replacing it with the new stuff'

LadyAce says, 'Vampyr, we'll change the pf gear to match area gear (hp/ma/mv items)'

Vampyr nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'after the code change goes in'

Vampyr nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'well okie, guess I have to live with that'

Jesus says, 'so why hp gear, and not dam/hit gear?'

LadyAce says, 'it's a hard decision to make, pulling gear or not'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Straussy nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin says, 'I dunno, I would like to state for the record that if you asked people with old dam gear, whether they would mind losing it if a scale is put in (once you have the hp stuff worked out), even though you said you wouldn't, most would say that they don't mind, I'm betting'

LadyAce says, 'If they don't mind, it's pretty easy for them to get rid of it :)'

Chaykin says, 'yeah but ONLY if a scale is put in'

Chaykin says, 'str hitting with no old gear is pathetic'

Ruby says, 'whats this talk of scale?'

Ruby ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'I really don't think we want to go near any more balance questions'

Vampyr says, 'i think damage on str wpns should be raised'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Cerberus says, 'basically make all the stats work logrithmically instead of linearly? Or was that someone elses idea?'

LadyAce says, 'we are trying to let this change be the last for a while'

Ruby nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Group Pkill Restrictions?

Fuego says, 'i have 2 questions... both involving PK'

Fuego says, 'the first one is one that i idea'd earlier'

Fuego says, 'what i noticed today, was a few of us were having some friendly group pkill, and i found it to "cheating" that some people could be attacking one person in the group, but not have the other groupmates attack back'

LadyAce says, 'presumably you don't with to guard every person you travel with with your life? :P'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'naw but a Paladin would'

Ruby ducks to the ground.

Fuego says, 'so what i proposed is something like the old "no heal without permission rule" for instance, we used to have it illegal to interfere with PK when your not enabled... why not make it illegal to get involved in group pkill if your not'

Fuego says, 'accepting the whole group'

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather see people work that out themselves'

Olive2Guest says, 'pkill doesnt need more rules'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Vampyr says, 'pkill has no rules'

Fuego says, 'today, me, ruby, and vampyr were taking on some unreasonable odds...'

Ruby says to Fuego, 'she does have a point, we did work it out..'

LadyAce says, 'I've been in lots of groups where I would've been happy to see the leader die :P'

Gondar says, 'i happen to like that idea Fuego'

Vampyr says, 'the imms put it in our hands becaues they're tired of dealing with it all the time'

Fuego says to Ruby, 'no we didnt... riven walked away without me being able to attack him'

Ruby whaps Vampyr across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Ruby says to Vampyr, 'no bad talk about imms here or I'll bust ya one'

Vampyr snickers at Ruby nastily.

Vampyr says, 'it wasn't bad'

Fuego says, 'i think it would promote more fun pkill'

Vampyr says, 'i don't blame them, personally'

Arven says, 'couldnt it all be solved by taking out the possibility to to not accept some persons'

Arven says, 'so you would either be accepting all or non at all'

Fuego says, 'another perfect example of how the pkillers took advantage of a code that has many loopholes...'

Cerberus still isn't clear on what the problem was.

Fuego says, 'today tritoch and tobias double teamed me... while tritoch was aa, tobias was not'

Krux looks confused.

Fuego says, 'what i think makes pkill, is the ability to get revenge'

Kaige says, 'so the problem was that one group attacked one player but the other people in his group didn't help?'

Tobias grins evilly.

Fuego says, 'how am i to get revenge on tobias if he isnt accepting the other groupmates?'

Vampyr says, '3 ppl attacked huma and riven'

Tobias says, 'Hey, there weren't any!'

Tobias giggles.

LadyAce says, 'here's another bit to that -- if you're accepting their attackers, you can always help the victim even if you can't fight back'

Dude says, 'you dont =P'

Vampyr says, 'i couldn't attack 2 of the ppl who jumped them'

Fuego says, 'perhaps we can have a command to toggle "accept all to all other accept alls"'

Lorenzo whispers quietly to Fuego.

Kaige says, 'that would be the accept all command, Fuego.'

Fuego says, 'no, i want to only accept other accept all'

Vampyr says, 'u should make it so only accept alls can fight other acceps alls :P'

Kaige says, 'then you're not accepting all.'

Ruby says to Kaige, 'naw he is thinking of something diff'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Straussy says, 'I see what you mean Fuego'

Aginor says, 'actually, there's few enough accept alls, you could accept them all individually'

Fuego says, 'i dont want these people that are too afraid to accept all, but want to gang bang me'

Vampyr says, 'here's a switch comment: I accept ppl before they log in so they don't know i have them accepted, i kill them, then reject them later.'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'i dont want to scour the who list accepting the accept alls as i see them'

Kaige says to Fuego, 'so reject them'

Fuego says, 'not to mention i want to keep the asterisk'

Tobias says, 'heh'

Fuego says to Kaige, 'why? then they basically win'

Aginor says to Fuego, 'i was being sarcastic'

Ruby says, 'yeh asterisk is like a sign nowadays...'

Fuego says, 'if tobias attacked me in a group and killed me... why should i then reject him? thats me giving in'

Fuego says, 'i would rather get even'

Fuego says, 'so you guys arent even going to consider my idea'

Fuego peers at LadyAce, looking her up and down.

Tobias flops about helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'I said I don't like it. I'm not everyone, I can't speak for them'

Aginor says, 'i understand fuego's point, but methinks changing PKOK is anathema.'

Tobias says to Fuego, 'What if you can force me to accept people in your group?'

Tobias says to Fuego, 'But only if they were grouped during the attack or somethin.'

Fuego says to Tobias, 'that gets rid of the randomness... i would rather you not know who was coming after you'

Chaykin says, 'maybe if you are the group leader, your groupmates assume your accept list?'

Accept/Reject All Only?

Arven says, 'why not take out the individual accept/reject that way you could be accept all or reject all'

Arven says, 'so everyone could attack you or noone could'

Fuego says, 'i have an idea that is obviously liked by many accept all people...'

Aginor says, 'all three of them.'

Ea! says, 'Because we want you to be able to send messages to people that you don't want to pkill with them.'

Fuego says, 'why cant we have a simple code that would allow US to control who attacks us'

Vampyr says, 'how about an Accept all channel, that only accept all ppl can talk on'

Sandra says, 'there is, its called 'reject''

Tobias says, 'that's not accept all?'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Vampyr says, 'and an accept all area, that only accept all ppl can go to'

Arven says, 'well if you dont want to pk, then why be enabled?'

Tobias says, 'I thought accept all was meant to be...accept all?'

Chaykin says, 'we had an all or nothing system once, it was called old pk'

Vampyr says, 'ROCK ON'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Ruby says to Vampyr, 'naw thats arena pkill'

Vampyr shakes his head.

LadyAce says to Arven, 'our idea with pkok is to let people reject people they don't want to pk with. So that you don't need to pk with everyone who is pk, if you don't like the way they do pk.'

Vampyr says, 'it would be like a tara area'

Vampyr says, 'all the group pk takes place at the altar anyway'

LadyAce sees how many times she can use pk in a sentence!

Ruby says to Vampyr, 'naw should put it by the stag like old days'

Straussy says, 'we are essentially giving the pkiller more options than just fighting all or none...'

Straussy says, 'I like it better personally'

Vampyr nods his agreement with Ruby.

Fuego says, 'i DO want to PK, but you have that STUPID code PKOK to the people that whined that wanted to dabble in PK, well why not give us a code to even it out and give us control to only accept the people that pkill like us, the accept all people'

Sandra says, 'Fuego'

Arven says, 'if you dont like the way people pk then dont enable'

Olive2Guest smirks.

Sandra says, 'if you only want to pkill with people like you, then only accept those people'

LadyAce says, 'I'll answer questions but this is not a format for unending ranting.'

Arven says, 'like if you dont like where you are going dont get on the bus'

Chaykin says, 'oh'

Chaykin giggles.

Krux says, 'calm down dude'

Aginor slowly fades out of window until PK moves away.

LadyAce says to Arven, 'we tried that, we didn't like the results.'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'that makes it a HUGE task to scour through the people on the mud accepting, and rejecting the individuals'

Giovani says, 'OK. I ask that everyone hear me out before they say anything...'

Gondar says to Fuego, 'like only aa can fight aa, and people who arent aa can only fight those who aren't aa?'

Fuego nods his agreement with Gondar.

Gondar nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'exactly'

Str vs Dex

Giovani says, 'Now is everyone aggravated that stats really mean little to distinguish characters?'

Giovani says, 'For example strength hitters and dex hitters'

Giovani says, 'Strength should be able to hit HARDER thatn dex, but they dont'

Giovani says, 'Tanks are no longer noticable'

Dude says, 'str hitting... bleh - oxymoron'

Chaykin says to Giovani, 'they already said that's not gonna happen'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Giovani says, 'Strength should get higher damage ratings for 90+ stren'

Giovani says, 'dex should remain the same'

LadyAce says, 'we're looking to make some balance revisions which should deal with some of the dex/str/con problems we're having'

Giovani says, 'and Con of 90+ should get noticably more HP'

LadyAce says, 'those should go in fairly soon.'

Chaykin says, 'oh wait'

Giovani says, 'But we don't want more eq changes'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'so the changes you're putting in deal with more than just hp?'

LadyAce says, 'that's not what I'm talking about'

Giovani says, 'That's all it seems that the Imms do any more. Change the eq and beef up mobs'

LadyAce says, 'the code change is hp/ma/mv, and we're hoping it deals with at least some of the problem'

Giovani looks sly.

LadyAce says to Giovani, 'and you said to listen before we responded.'

LadyAce tickles Giovani.

Giovani says, 'Ok...what about the +HP items...'

LadyAce says to Giovani, 'we're done with eq changes'

Ruby says, 'Ruby reporting for the Daily News.'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'Exactly what kind of balance revisions are we talking about here?'

Cerberus says, 'how can it effect dex and str though if its dealing with hp/ma/mv?'

Vampyr snickers at Ruby nastily.

Giovani says, 'You want them to be kept from Wiz tanks, right?'

LadyAce says, 'you'll have to wait and see when we post them.'

Dude says, 'so basically... you're changing hp/mv/mana... and hoping it'll help str and con hitting... no comment'

You do a slow fade as Ruby whines at LadyAce, hoping he won't get to you too.

Ea! says, 'There will be a change to hp/ma/mv in a few weeks. Then, some point after that, though we don't have a date, the current plan is to remove some of the places in the fight system where dex is refered to twice forr the same thing.'

LadyAce says, 'I'm just saying we're aware of the problem, we agree it needs to be addressed, and I can't release the details.'

Giovani says, 'Well, make it so the +HP also remove an equal amount of mana from the person'

Ea! says, 'Which should have the affect of reducing dex's defensive abilities.'

Giovani says, 'And vice versa'

Chaykin says, 'is that because you don't know any details, or is it a secret?'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'it must be an Imm conspiracy!'

Aginor says, 'actually, they're working on skilltrees in secret and don't want to tell us *flee*'

Sandra says, 'hp gear's change is finished. I don't plan on reworking that'

Ea! says, 'Of course, that's still in the planning stages -- we don't have any details on that yet.'

LadyAce says, 'after those planned changes go into effect and you've had a chance to look at them, let us know what you think. Until then, we're all waiting.'

Krux coughs loudly.

Giovani says, 'Can you tell me one last thing?'

Tobias says, 'I think they don't want to tell us because they don't want to be bogged down with more questions.'

Straussy nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Chaykin giggles at Tobias.

Tobias says, 'cause that'd be chaos ^_~'

Tobias giggles.

Giovani says, 'Are the changes to players or eq?'

Kaige says to Tobias, 'no, mostly because we can't give answers to things that haven't been decided yet.'

Gondar says, 'Vahn says, bring back one-handed huge spiked quarterstaff!'

Tobias nods his agreement with Kaige.

Fuego says, 'i have another question, that is if ladyace wont skip over me'

LadyAce says to Giovani, 'to players, it's a code change.'

Giovani nods solemnly.

Giovani says, 'That's all.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce smiles at Giovani.

Upcoming Feature Additions?

Chaykin says, 'okie, you said you were holding off on balance changes for awhile after the hp change in favor of new features, can you elaborate any on what those are or might be?'

Ea! says, 'Er, we're holding off on balance changes once we've got a few more changes in and we're happy with the balance.'

Ea! says, 'We're not going to stop mid-way through -- we just happen to think that the balance changes are nearly done.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Ea!.

Krux nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'right. but then something about new features, you said'

Ea! says, 'As for new features, I plan on working more on the new poisons code.'

Chaykin says, 'new poisons?'

Ea! says, 'Well, poison stops being a on or off sort of thing -- it gets worse if it's not healed, you have more affects...'

Tobias says, 'ooo'

Chaykin says, 'interesting...'

Ea! says, 'Some of them are blurred vision, double vision, paralysis, coma, a bunch of other things.'

Dude says, 'ohhh... make sure to slap them on a dex weapon of some type - gotta stay with the current trend'

Heineken says, 'great, lots of fun at the wells.'

Ea! says, 'I forget what else.'

Chaykin says, 'are any of those effects we might see outside of poison?'

Straussy says to Ea!, 'amnesia?'

Ruby says, 'I want to get gangreen from poison!'

Ea! says, 'Maybe. I dunno.'

Chaykin giggles at Straussy.

LadyAce giggles at Ruby.

Chaykin says, 'maybe Leper can finally actually have limbs fall off'

Ea! says, 'Probably the poisons that go on weapons will be very weak (like the current poison) unless it remains untreated.'

Chaykin says, 'so poison stuff, anything else you know of or you just aren't sure yet?'

LadyAce says, 'I don't know what the other people will work on'

Ruby says, 'people should work on a way to make snipers not have to blind all the time :p'

LadyAce says, 'but the thing that is hard to see in this is that when we start working on balance, it's hard to get back out. One change implies another and we get stuck'

Chaykin says, 'well, assuming you DO get out, I was just curious about what you had planned'

LadyAce says, 'we've been stuck for a while, and we're getting unstuck finally'

Vampyr says to Ruby, 'i barely ever blind'

Cerberus says to Ruby, 'new poisons to dip with might do that'

Vampyr says to Ruby, 'this char doesn't even have a bow'

LadyAce says, 'and when we get unstuck, it usually is a big encouragement to coders who are sick of balance changes :)'

LadyAce says, 'basically anything that is on the list of trees changes other than actual trees, is on the table'

Chaykin says, 'what's on the trees list other than trees?'

Chaykin is completely boggled.

LadyAce says, 'that might be light levels (fog, streetlights) or effects saving over rent, maybe voice types for players, last names'

Krux sits down on a large prickly hedge.

Chaykin says, 'oh huh'

Chaykin says, 'interesting'

LadyAce says, 'those are the highlights, anyway'

Chaykin says, 'okie, sounds cool'

Chaykin smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'absent a coder with enough solid time and experience to devote to trees, we're taking on some smaller things while the code is reorganized'

LadyAce says, 'tho these are not all that "small"....they're smaller than trees'

Ea! says, 'also, they all need to be done before trees can go in, anyway.'

Chaykin says, 'ooo I have a small idea'

Chaykin says, 'how about making weather actually do something...like fire spells are less effective when it's raining'

Kaige says, 'some are small code changes, but have large gameplay impact like the affects saving over rent'

HP/MA/MV Code Changes?

Vampyr says, 'in what way are you going to change how con effects hp, like make you get more hp per con? or less? will it be noticable?'

LadyAce says, 'We can't release the details on the code change right now'

Vampyr says, 'ugh'

Vampyr says, 'so you have no idea?'

LadyAce says, 'I'm really sorry, it's the way it has to be.'

Vampyr says, 'or you just don't want to tell us? :P'

LadyAce says, 'it's not that we don't know, it's that we can't say yet.'

Khelben says, 'she doesnt know thats why she wont tell'

LadyAce says, 'The announcement needs to be done right, in a full form. I can't do it in this forum, we end up with too many rumors.'

Gondar says, 'he has a point tho'

LadyAce says, 'I do know it's frustrating, I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut :P'

Tobias giggles.

Cerberus says, 'just post it then'

Cerberus says, 'let people hash it over for a week before hand'

Sandra says, 'soon'

Ruby says, 'oh yeh now i remember my question!'

LadyAce says, 'you'll have lots of notice.'

LadyAce says, 'we can say, on the hp change, that no one will lose hp.'

LadyAce says, 'is all we can say.'

Bonuses for Pure Char Types?

Ruby says, 'Are there any planned changes to possible give some bonus to a char being a pure char type. Like a pure london dex/perc sniper or pure str/con klien fighter?'

Fuego says, 'eww'

Fuego says, 'thats going back to classes'

Chaykin says, 'bleh, nonono'

Khelben was already playing, and has reconnected.

Ruby whaps Fuego across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Khelben grumbles.

Ruby says, 'naw i don't mean like that'

Fuego says, 'but that would make one type stronger then another'

Ruby says, 'I mean almost every pkiller you see now is a half something or anouther'

Fuego says, 'so?'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'There's already a bonus to being a fighter from Klein.'

Arven says, 'there is?'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'and what is there for being a sniper from london?'

Straussy nods his agreement with Arven.

Chaykin says, 'expert parry'

Fuego says, 'the deadeye/snipe skill'

Arven asks Ea!, 'cool, what is it?'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'Nope.'

Ruby laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says, 'usually we do those boosts by access to skills'

Fuego says, 'and expert parry'

LadyAce says, 'or access to certain combinations of skills'

Ruby says, 'expert parry? thats not a sniper bonus thats a bonus to just about every char type'

Ruby sighs loudly.

Fuego says, 'every dex type'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'no specific bonuses in the code like that one in the works that I know of, but one of the goals of trees is to put all the REALLY good skills more toward the tops of the skill set instead of the middle, so being half-something shouldn't get you as good as being a full something at some point'

LadyAce says, 'doing more than we have now would really take more skills, and y'all know what that means.'

Chaykin says, 'not mages :P'

Ea! says to Arven, 'Klein fighters are better at the fight skills.'

Fuego says, 'and what of sniper?'

Ruby says, 'maybe I'll just come next week when i get my thoughts in line better'

Ruby thanks Kaige heartily.

Ruby says to Kaige, 'yeh thats mostly that i thought... skill tree's'

Ruby sighs loudly.

Arven says, 'kewl'

Arven bounces around.

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'yeah, whenever that happens'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'I don't think klien is better at ALL fight skills'

Arven says, 'I think we are better at kick'

Arven says, 'my kick rules'

LadyAce smiles at Arven.

Ruby says to Ea!, 'could be wrong havn't talked about that in a long time though'

Arven shakes her left leg.

Ea! says to Ruby, 'I've seen the code, I'm confident that there is a boost.'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'If I remember right, we did boost it a few weeks after it went in to improve it since it wasn't as good as we wanted.'

Get Rid of PK XP Loss?

Fuego says, 'i wanted to ask if we can get rid of the xp loss from PK... you can say ALLLLLL you want that the xp loss is minimal, but the truth is, im at 5 mil xp, and i cant PK anymore for fear of perma death'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'well I guess I'll trust ya since you know best :)'

Chaykin says to Fuego, 'stop losing :P'

Chaykin ducks under Fuego.

Fuego says, 'i win alot more then i lose'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we're considering that right now.'

Fuego says, 'but think about it'

Tobias says to Fuego, 'That was my question!'

Tobias knocks Fuego over and flops all over him.

Tobias giggles.

Fuego says, 'i would have to win about 300 PK fights to equal the xp of one PK death'

Chaykin says, 'the xp loss is nothing, you just never go xping :P'

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'cause its boring?'

Chaykin shrugs in response to Fuego's words.

Chaykin says, 'better than perma'

LadyAce says, 'well, the xp gain from pk is not really intended to be a way to recover from a pk death'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'mobkill is how we want you to regain xp from a pk death'

Fuego says, 'not to mention i was xping for about 45 mins, got about 750k xo'

Fuego says, 'then i died to sascha'

LadyAce says, 'players are awfully hard to kill for only 20k xp.'

Fuego says, 'so my 45 mins became nothing'

Chaykin says to Fuego, 'yeah, you attacked Sascha, who is really hard :P'

Fuego says, 'so why should one fight where something went wrong cost me my last 45 minutes?'

Sandra says, 'coz you should know your limits and stick to them?'

LadyAce says, 'few rewards come without risks'

Chaykin says, 'so you value your mobkilling strategy more?'

Fuego says, 'not to mention that time was EXTREMELY boring... i mean, when you play chess, would you rather play against a computer? or an opponent'

LadyAce says, 'you're going to die here sometimes.'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'i think the risk is too high for the rewards'

Kaige says, 'or would I rather have a friend help me beat the computer at chess?'

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'you might want to find another way to gain xp that isn't quite so dull for you'

Tobias says to Fuego, 'Southside PD!'

Fuego says to Kaige, 'is that what you would want to do?'

Tobias grins evilly.

Chaykin says, 'recovering from a pk death takes like 20 min, and I still think mobkilling is less boring than sitting OOC'

Kaige says, 'Yeah, if something's boring, it's usually better to take a person to have fun with along'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'yeah, i have a way, its called pkill... but i dont get anything for being good at pkilling'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Darkness says to Tobias, 'pd = 2 loses in pk mebbe one '

Sandra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'i stay ooc cause im not at the computer'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'You get the admiration and applause of your peers.'

Tobias says to Darkness, 'PD (south) isn't boring, though.'

Khelben says, 'hrrm pd tour again'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'hardly'

Chaykin says, 'I will say mobkilling CAN be tedious here only because of all the idle time spent recovering'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'instead i get yelled at and looked down upon for endangering a PD group'

Fuego nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Sandra says, 'well gee, you walk in and kill 3 of the group. I'd yell at you too =P'

Khelben glares icily at Fuego.

LadyAce says, 'we do encourage grouping with a healer if you can't self-heal'

Darkness says to Tobias, 'PD, SL are only as boring as you make them.'

Khelben says, 'im still not talking to him'

Tobias nods his agreement with Darkness.

Fuego says, 'i was with a healer, he was bored too'

Inspire Bug?

Cerberus says, 'this may be a bug, may not. Last night in PD we had a group inspire which set off someones pk timer. Our tank wasn't able to be healed due to the timer being on. Bug or feature?'

LadyAce says, 'it's a bug we're having trouble squashing all the instances of'

LadyAce says, 'keep reporting it on bug channel'

Cerberus says, 'its a pretty dangerous bug'

Khelben nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Darkness says, 'ezy way to fix thew ug get rib of pk *duck* *totalu joking*'

Cerberus says, 'he was sitting there in PD at 32 hitpoints and couldn't be healed'

LadyAce says, 'you should be able to avoid it if your accept lists match'

LadyAce says, 'it's a workaround, but...'

Chaykin says, 'trouble is there's no incentive for healers to accept really'

Cerberus says, 'I went accept all and couldn't do anything'

Herbert says, 'its easier to just go accept all and risk the jump'

Ea! says, 'It's hard to tell what's up with the bug -- it's a hard one to reproduce.'

Surgeon Ideas

Herbert says, 'I just have a few things about surgeons i was wondering if there is any plans to give surgeons any new skills or EQ or something to make a pure surgeon useful for more than healing?'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we have any huge plans to change healers, but there's a thread on discussion if you have some ideas'

Herbert says, 'I was thinking maybe make scalpels statd or give them some form of operate skill bonus if wielded? I know when i was a pure surgeon i couldnt wield anything better'

Herbert giggles.

Herbert says, 'hmmm k. will go lookies at the board.. thankee'

LadyAce says to Herbert, 'the bonus if wielded does sound sort of interesting, suggest it on the board?'

Herbert bows deeply.

LadyAce smiles at Herbert.

Herbert nods solemnly.

Mounts & Vehicles

Chaykin says, 'okie well, I think cars and horses are a neat feature of Legendmud that is really underutilized'

Chaykin says, 'I think the problem is that getting around on Legend is too dependent on water travel, so I'm wondering'

Ruby says, 'stupid people riding the elephant'

Sandra giggles.

Ea! says, 'I agree -- I hate seeing everyone carry a canoe everywhere as well.'

Ruby nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin says, 'when new areas go on, would it be possible for builders to arrange it so that you don't go over water to go EVERYWHERE?'

LadyAce says, 'we have some really cool code in to allow more interesting vehicles, but none have been built yet. Someday soon I hope :)'

Heineken says, 'I'd use horses more if I could rent them...'

LadyAce says, 'it'd be nice if horses gave more bonuses'

Chaykin says, 'even with existing areas, maybe some more land passages could be built to connect them'

Ea! says, 'There's a few problems -- first, the code for vehicles isn't very good. Huginn's non-mech vehicles code is pretty good, and I'm hoping that we'll be able to get it to consume the current vehicles functionality.'

LadyAce says, 'like have you heal the same as resting, or almost the same'

LadyAce says, 'would be neat'

Cerberus says, 'more horses would be great'

Chaykin says, 'my main issue with this stuff is mobility'

Ea! says, 'Ideally, I'd like to make it so that you can't carry boats -- they're just vehicles that you use like everything else...'

Chaykin says, 'you can't leave Somme with the cars'

Cerberus says, 'but you'd have to rent them, or leave them at your house or something'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'we don't want giant long lines of just roadway'

Ea! says, 'however, that's got the obvious problem -- how to get around.'

Gondar says, 'I have a comment about healing. Whoever changed the code so druid couldnt heal while meditating is a freak'

Ea! says, 'And we're not sure we've got a good solution for that.'

Dashiva says, 'ack, if your talking no boats I must have missed sumpin big'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'well, I'm not saying everywhere--just MORE land areas'

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'this isn't los angeles after all :) but to make it more than just a big passage takes some serious work'

LadyAce says to Dashiva, 'we're not talking no more boats'

Dashiva grins evilly.

Ea! says to Dashiva, 'We're talking plans for the future.'

LadyAce says to Dashiva, 'we're saying just boats all the time is dull'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Dashiva says, 'I'd like to have a plane!'

Chaykin says, 'what I'm mainly saying is every area seems separated by water, and it's a shame'

Dashiva says, 'vroom, strafe the peasants and such things'

Kritter says, 'you people are going to change the whole mud ain't you'

LadyAce says, 'well...some of that is historical'

Sandra says, 'well, we just need more areas to fill in the spots ;)'

Dashiva says, 'peasants even'

Cerberus says to Chaykin, 'its reality though'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Straussy says, 'well not ALL boats ....hopefully :D'

LadyAce says, 'you couldn't get hardly anywhere except over water or lots of labor overland'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Heineken says, 'horses can ford some bodies of water, if you have a boat. They ride in a . :)'

LadyAce giggles at Heineken.

Tobias says, 'new mounts would be cool'

Sandra giggles.

Tobias says, 'like riding whales or somethin'

Dashiva snickers softly.

Ea! says, 'I don't want to get rid of *boats*, I just want them to act like normal vehicles --that you ride in instead of carry.'

Kaige says, 'yeah I need to find a way to fix that idea of Ptah's that was ruined when the boats got added to arrival messages.'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Dashiva says, 'I want a narwhal'

Tobias says, 'a call skill, to get mounts to come to you'

Chaykin says, 'well, just something to think about. the cars and horses are there, I think there should be more uses for them'

LadyAce giggles at Dashiva.

Tobias nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Ea! says, 'But I've got no idea how to get from here to there.'

Cerberus says, 'I'd like to see you able to use more fightskills while riding'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Ea! nods his agreement with Cerberus.

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'yeah, we do have some skills planned for that'

Cerberus says, 'or getting bonuses, or something'

Dashiva says, 'I can see the pk possibilities now, Dashiva rams you with his narwhal!'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'move all BOATs to GROUPBOATs'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Dude says, 'skilltrees'

Jesus says, 'you could kick while riding.'

Dude ducks to the ground.

Chaykin giggles at Dude.

Cerberus says, 'charge skill while mounted maybe'

Dashiva says, 'I like that ram idea'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'that's one of 'em'

Ea! says, 'kick, bash, warcry... I could see all of them working with a horse...'

Dude says, 'i wish i could ride sainglend'

Dude pouts.

Dashiva says to Ea!, 'trample?'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'I want to ride a armored warhorse into battle with a lance when skill tree's come in will that be probable?'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'jousting will. The armored warhorse part is up to builders.'

Ruby looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ruby says to Ea!, 'gear that your mount can wear will be codable?'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'Mobs can wear eq. That's as far as we'll make it with trees.'

Ruby says, 'but i mean like all mobs and not just human types?'

LadyAce says, 'animals can wear gear'

Ruby looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ruby says, 'Realy? I did not know that'

Kaige says, 'they can wear it.. getting some of them to take it from you/wear it is another question.'

Kaige giggles.

Ruby nods his agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo says, 'Can gear be designed for animals that people cannot wear? Or: are there different classes of gear matching classes of mob?'

Ea! shakes his head.

Kaige says, 'we don't really have mob classes any more than we have player classes'

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'it wouldn't be too hard, we'd need to make wearslots that only animals have'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ruby wrinkles his nose distastefully.

Kaige says, 'we have a few flags that determin mob characteristics... makes it very versatile for builders'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'That's how I figured it.'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Much better put than what I was trying to say.'

Ruby says, 'Darn I was hoping to by horsie plate mail'

LadyAce giggles at Ruby.

Cerberus thinks that would really help the knights rp and roster.

Kaige says to Ruby, 'it'd be more likely at some point you'd go buy a horise with platemail on already'

Ruby nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ruby says, 'I was just pondering the idea of giving my mount cool stats based on mount gear'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ruby.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Ruby.

Lorenzo says, 'Or stringing it!'

Ruby says, 'like shaping your mount into whatever you want it to be'

Dashiva says, 'hmm..but could you keep the mount?'

Dashiva says, 'you would need stables at your house'

Darkness says, 'when will legend start caring more about RP and less about stats ? erh forget it'

Ruby says, 'possible rent a space in a In game Stable?'

Heineken says, 'we really need to rent mounts for them to be useful, the Inns should be able to house them in the stables.'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Ruby.

Kaige says, 'on mount renting: we need the pets/hirelings code to be finished to accomplish that.'

Heineken nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ruby says to Kaige, 'and thats in with skill trees right?'

Ea! says, 'No, pets are on the long-time back burner.'

Ruby says, 'bummer'

Hometown Based EQ Bonus?

Gondar says, 'I (well Luna) had this idea about making certain eq stat bonus based on your hometown'

Gondar says, 'like the hernes horn for example. . .'

LadyAce says, 'I think we're more likely to stick with putting those differences in skills than in eq'

LadyAce says, 'of course, some items are more useful to certain people than others'

Gondar says, 'like say a Klein fighter gettin full use of hernes horn, and other chars lesser benefit'

LadyAce says to Gondar, 'I don't see us doing that sort of thing, it's not really how our code and areas are structured. the difference comes in the skills, and what eq helps people with what skills.'

Gondar says, 'or an agrabah mage gattin full benefit from silver circlet, no -stats, but the same as it is now for eveyopne else'

Ea! says to Gondar, 'I could see writing code so that builders could make items that had different stats based on the same information that determines which skills are available to which hometowns.'

Ea! says, 'But there'd need to be some builder requests for it before it was worth the effort and time.'

Gondar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Gondar says, 'thats kind the idea. . . makes more variation according to hometown'

Bigger & Better Clanhalls?

Cerberus says, 'just a thought I had, was to make the ability to build clanhalls a bit more EPIC. Like a huge castle for the knights, etc. Lots of rooms, different themes, as well as a way to support it that didn't involve the whole clan money runnin'

Cerberus says, 'running every single day'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Dashiva nods his agreement with Cerberus.

Dashiva says, 'big clan halls would rock'

LadyAce says, 'if you want a big house, buy 'em.'

Cerberus says, 'just for clans'

Tobias says, 'clanhalls should be free, IMHO.'

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'the important one. . . nope'

Chaykin says, 'my problem with clan houses is, there's nothing special about them'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'impossible to upkeep'

LadyAce says, 'clans are the only ones who can support giant things like that'

Cerberus shakes his head.

Cerberus says, 'they can't right now'

Chaykin says, 'joining a clan used to be such a neat thing, you'd walk into that old clanhall for the first time and go, oooo, this is MY spot'

Cerberus says, 'unless they are the agrabah mafia'

Tobias says, 'Lazy couldn't keep up our cave ^_~'

Kaige says to Tobias, 'too lazy?'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Kaige.

Cerberus says, 'no clans are active or rich enough to support a huge hall like that'

Cerberus says, 'except the mafia'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Tobias giggles at Kaige.

Dashiva curses marauder!

Camaris bows deeply.

Dashiva startles Rusalka.

Chaykin says, 'I think clans should at least be able to customize their halls a little more, there's nothing nice about them anymore'

Rusalka goes EEK! at Dashiva in distress - isn't Dashiva an awful person for teasing?

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Cerberus nods his agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'we do want to have more ways to earn money other than killing mobs and selling their clothes'

Ea! says to Cerberus, 'I'd love to make it so that you can have merchants in your hall to sell stuff for you and get some money that way -- but the code isn't there. Of course, you'd need to get people to buy stuff from you, and you'd need to be able '

Ruby says, 'I agree with Chaykin. clan halls used to be so cool'

Ea! says, 'to get stuff to begin with.'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'thats a completely different point'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'well, that'd be without money running'

Lorenzo asks LadyAce, 'Loan sharking?'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Cerberus says, 'its not the process of money running that is the problem, its the feasibiliy of getting all members to do it often.'

Ruby is completely boggled.

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Camaris nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'yeah, it does take a big commitment from the clan'

Kaige says, 'and a commitment from the GMs to motivate and encourage their members or to kick them out if they don't old up their end of the bargain'

Cerberus says, 'clan run shops could help a lot actually'

LadyAce says, 'and a good starting balance to keep things solvent'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Cerberus says, 'anyway, it was just an idea I had'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Cerberus.

Chaykin says, 'clan halls just ought to be something special again'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, clan run shops are on that list of things that I'd like to get to working on once we've got the balance stuff figured out.'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Ea!.

Cerberus says, 'that would give level 50's something to do again'

Cerberus throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

What do you mean by "balance"?

Dashiva says, 'hmm ok, how to word this..'

Dashiva says, 'when you say balance, your idea of balance may not be what we think it is, when you say balance in pk, is that taking two random chars having a 50/50% chance of winning agaisnt each other?'

Dashiva says, 'Basically, I want to know what your definition of balance is...'

Chaykin says, 'hmm'

Ea! says, 'No.'

Ruby says to Dashiva, 'ow good question and hard to answer me thinks'

Dashiva says, 'so I can understand/deal with this better im trying to say'

LadyAce says, 'I can only give my definition.'

Ea! says, 'A surgeon shouldn't be as good at pkill as a str fighter. But if the surgeon is really skilled, they might win.'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Cerberus is completely boggled.

Chaykin says, 'right now there's not much difference between em'

Chaykin ducks to the ground.

Ruby says, 'Ow I gota level up my surgeon!'

Ruby says, 'beat some str fighter butt!'

Ea! says, 'What I'd like to see is for people to have some flexibility in choosing character types so that they can have a decent chance with a wide variety of characters.'

Camaris raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

LadyAce says, 'I'd say that balance is when there are many successful stat combinations available, but where certain specializations or tactics or ability might give you an edge over people using another set of tactics/ability levels'

Cerberus says to Ruby, 'he said "might"'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'essentially it's healthy diversity'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'where there are arguments over which is the best combination to be and everyone is right...'

Lorenzo says, 'Rock, paper, scissors.'

Dashiva says, 'like people thinking 3c creates are underpowered but there really overpowered!'

Cerberus says, 'considering everything, its pretty diverse and balanced right now'

LadyAce says, 'and when everyone is doing or using the same things, it's either a trendy thing, or it's a sign of a balance issue.'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Ruby nods his agreement with Dashiva.

Rusalka says, 'or both'

Ea! says, 'I'd like skill to be one of the main factors in pkill. Preferably the skills learned for one character type are slightly different than the other.'

Ea! says, 'er, than others.'

Ruby says to Dashiva, 'don't you hate how 3c create whine but you never see them running around inspiring you against 5 charmys?'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Ruby.

Dashiva says to Ruby, 'who else can walk into SL alone and kill the mobs there??'

Ea! says, 'So that if you're playing a str sniper, and you're the best pkiller out there, you might not be the best con mage.'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Ea!.

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'skill would be a much bigger factor if luck weren't such a big one right now'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'That's easier said than changed.'

Dashiva says, 'more hp, which the gear change should fix'

Chaykin says, 'understood'

Dashiva says, 'somewhat'

LadyAce says to Dashiva, 'does that answer your question?'

Dashiva says to LadyAce, 'in a sense, I think I know what your trying to get at'

Ea! says, 'I also don't think that each type of fighter should be able to win with the same tactics.'

PK & Healing?

Ruby says, 'This is just me ranting but... Healing after pkill is a bear!'

Ruby says, 'Used to be you could ask "hey am i cool to get a healer" and you run off and find a healer and get healed'

Ruby says, 'now you have a tick timer unless by some miracle you find a pkok healer'

Dashiva says, 'now you gotta be a create mage to get some healing'

Ruby says, 'It just irks me that after every fight i run to the healers most of them are out or wont heal me then i sleep for 15 min so i can come back to my computer only to find out I'm in the void and not healing'

Kaige says, 'Lemme ask this: Do people go out of their way to keep their pkok healers alive when they do find them? Do healers know there are people out there who will protect them for the risk they are taking?'

Chaykin says, 'you can only protect them when you're online'

Ruby says, 'I can't speak for other pkok healers but as an alt I know i have friends that will help me if i get jumped being a healer'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Rusalka says, 'oh'

Ruby says, 'myself I go hunt anyone i catch picking on a healer'

LadyAce says, 'it might help to publicize your need a bit more'

Dashiva says, 'doc....I owe him....'

Dashiva sharpens his weapon, looking particularly dangerous.

Kaige says, 'I'm just asking because if they don't see you taking a risk for them as well, why should they take one for you?'

LadyAce says, 'and your willingness to protect them, etc.'

Ea! nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ruby shrugs helplessly.

Dashiva says, 'therein lies your problem'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'and publicize the protection offered as well'

Dashiva says, 'there's alot of jerks who pk'

Ruby says, 'I've come to the aid of more than a few healers over my day..'

Camaris nods his agreement with Dashiva.

Ea! says, 'When I've been asked to heal people, I certainly haven't been offered protection.'

Mertjai says, 'tis true, I heal only those who protect me'

Dashiva says, 'its hard to fend off 15 dorks who know they can kill a healer'

Ruby says, 'But not everyone see's those fights or that rescue at 10hp'

Chaykin says, 'it's easy enough to say, "I'll protect you," but it's also easy for the other guy to wait until you're gone to get revenge on the healer'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Ruby nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Kaige says to Ruby, 'publicize them =) so they can?'

Ruby snickers softly.

Ruby says, 'yeh back it up they will say'

Ruby shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Sure, which is why Ruby should let the healer know that he's willing to attack someone if they do that to the healer.'

LadyAce says, 'well, presumably they're not always trying to kill you again right after a death'

LadyAce says, 'they don't need to accept all'

Mertjai says, 'I make the guy who's protecting me stay around until I can reject again :P'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'naw but I'm trying to kill someone else'

LadyAce says, 'they only need to match your accept list'

Ea! says, 'Also, Ruby could keep an eye on the person for the duration of the tick timer.'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'but by the time Ruby learns of it, the damage is done'

Kaige says, 'sounds like a healer looking for protection would do well to help a clan where there's more people to be around at different times'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'and a clan could do well to take on some responsibility for looking after healers in general'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'acquire a good rep. pay well, treat the ladies right'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Ruby says, 'well the clan thing is nice and we have done it in the past'

Cumference says, 'yes, rep is very important in pk'

Ruby says, 'But personally, I'm out of a clan... seems the MoD didn't have enough members'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Ruby.

Cumference says to Ruby, 'u been playing much?'

Ea! says, 'rep is the most important thing when it comes to getting healers.'

Kaige says to Mertjai, 'nothing aginst your clan... but the idea of clans sponsoring Pet Healers/ isn't a new one here or elsewhere'

Chaykin says, 'whoa, they're dead finally?'

Ruby says to Cumference, 'last week or two yeh'

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'then be a legendarily nice fella'

Cumference nods his agreement with Rusalka.

Dashiva snickers at LadyAce nastily.

Ruby snickers at LadyAce nastily.

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'so good to your healers they brag about you to their friends'

Ea! says, 'Imagine the difference to a healer between being asked to heal the old Grendels and the old Knights of Legend.'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'now do i look like a nice guy?'

Ruby lurks around LadyAce ominously - glad he's not after you!

Dashiva swoons into Ruby's arms.

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'there are no clans like those anymore'

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'you might be a noble sort of outlaw. or a handsome and suave one'

Cumference says, 'and believe me, it doesn't pay to be a dick unless u wanna isolate yourself and u pk good to defend yourself :P'

Cumference says, 'much funner playing a goodalign non-dick-d00d!'

Kaige says, 'even evil warloads that pay well, or offer good protection attract faithful followers who don't always have the same political bent'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Camaris chuckles politely.

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Sure, but here's an idea on how you could get your clan to be more like that.'

Ruby says, 'Bah I'm still awaiting the next person to do something worthy of looting'

Ruby grins evilly.

Dashiva looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cumference rolls around laughing at Ruby's joke.

LadyAce says, 'acquire their loyalty and affection while they're young and impressionable :)'

Chaykin raises his eyebrow at Ea!.

Camaris laughs with amusement.

Ruby grins evilly at LadyAce.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'it does take social engineering'

Dashiva says, 'oooh corrupt the youth?'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'tried that with a little sniper and got him DT'd'

Ruby snickers quietly to himself.

Cumference says, 'oh so thats how u immz do it, sway us when we're newbz'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Cumference.

LadyAce giggles at Cumference.

Ruby nods his agreement with Cumference.

Kaige says, 'newbies are some of our best agents...'

Kaige coughs loudly.

Kaige says, 'ahem...'

Ruby says, 'I remember well my newbie days'

Camaris chuckles politely.

Chaykin chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'if that's all the questions we have, that makes this the end'

Dashiva bursts into tears.

LadyAce says, 'thanks for coming, all :)'

Chaykin thanks LadyAce heartily.

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

LadyAce waves happily.

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