December 14th, 2000

Why isn't Herne hunting?

Rahvin says, 'what was the point behind changing herne's hunt, I just see the repeating of abbot, when one type of char can solo him, whack him, why?'

Sandra says, 'I don't think his hunt was intentionally changed. I think its buggy'

Rahvin says, 'really?'

Rahvin nods solemnly.

Rahvin beams at Sandra delightedly.

LadyAce says, 'what's he doing oddly?'

LadyAce never heard of dis problem.

Sandra says, 'I think he's just not hunting?'

Craven says, 'thats cuz dis doesn't exist anymore :P'

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'You know -- it got pull a few months back.'

Ea! ducks to the ground.

Rahvin says, 'doesnt hunt'

Ea! says, 'sorry, bad joke.'

LadyAce says, 'I would guess that the problem will be fixed.'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Sandra.

Sandra grins evilly.

Paralyze?

Blackthorne says, 'had a question about the last code change for paralyze, im confused as to exactly what it does'

Ea! says, 'The no-more-re-paralyze one?'

DoctorBob says to Blackthorne, 'scares the crap outta the para victim'

Craven says, 'I have a feeling it was so they could put this new fix in'

Blackthorne says, 'the one before the newest paralyze'

Ea! says, 'The one that makes it so you can see what's going on?'

Blackthorne says, 'welcome 20 i think'

Rahvin says, 'I never double'd para ne wayz in pk, just mobs'

Craven says, 'cuz I think you can still backstab on a stun, just not a paralyze...'

Ea! nods his agreement with Craven.

Rahvin says, 'so a wfw you can re backstab?'

Craven says, 'for the record, the new paralyze thing is weird'

LadyAce says, 'chokes are stuns too'

Ea! says, 'It's just paralyzed, and it still does damage -- it just doesn't re-paralyze them.'

Craven says, 'its like hunt, I dislike it cuz its weird, but ah well :P'

LadyAce says, 'so you can restab on a choke as well'

Craven says, 'chokes are stupid ladyace, mobs and players wake up before you can flee :P'

Blackthorne says, 'i see, I was confused because i thought it was a new spell ksi gam, you know the one that hasnt been imped yet'

Craven says, 'but on the 1% chance you DO get to flee before they wake up, yea, chokes :)'

Blackthorne says, 'any chance to getting ksi gam imped?'

Gondar says, 'that would be kool, to imp the spell'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, this is what the paralyze spell was supposed to do. We haven't decided if we're going to implement it yet.'

LadyAce says, 'chokes are nifty when fighting animals'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Blackthorne nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'actually, I had forgotten all about the spell.'

Ea! giggles.

Rahvin snickers softly.

Craven says, 'I paralyzed today and didn't see them wake up...is there a wakeup message?'

Rahvin says, 'everyone thought it was the spell'

Blackthorne nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'hm'

Sandra says, 'its the same as when you wake out of a stun'

Ea! says, 'sorry 'bout that. I should have been clearer.'

Gondar says, 'i just found out the other day that there was such a spell'

Ea! says, 'and I would have been, had I remembered it.'

Ea! giggles.

LadyAce says, 'if it were a spell, it'd be pretty close to stun, I think.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Rahvin tugs on Ea!'s sleeve imploringly.

Blackthorne says, 'if it were imped what would it do again?'

Blackthorne says, 'just keep the target from fleeing?'

Rahvin nods solemnly.

Rahvin says, 'they can still fight?'

Ea! says, 'I think it'd be pretty much the same as stun except paralyze people instead of stun them, but I'm not sure.'

Rahvin says, 'thats like bind so no?'

Rahvin looks up into the sky and ponders.

Blackthorne says, 'yeah, a create bind?'

Rahvin nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'you have a create bind'

Craven says, 'its called walls :P'

Rahvin snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'I think it's better as an affect of fighting'

Gondar nods his agreement with Craven.

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says, 'It would be closer to stun than bind.'

Blackthorne says to Craven, 'that is a 3rd circle spell'

Craven says, 'they are fun except 90% of pkillers and 50% of all big mobs see illusions *sigh*'

Rahvin nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'well personally I think 2nd circle shouldn't get any bonus's, they are just fine :)'

Craven says, 'give it all to 3rd circle!'

Gondar nods his agreement with Craven.

Blackthorne says, 'since 2nd cause can have that spell it might be good to have it for 2nd create as well'

Craven says, 'hehe, careful blackthorne'

Rahvin snickers softly.

Craven says, 'your going to get the cause and crate are different for a reason speech'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Craven.

DoctorBob snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'roll that tape!'

Gondar says, 'besides 2c create has stun too'

Blackthorne says, 'true enough, then maybe it should just be taken out of the spellbook so it doesnt taunt me every time i look at it:P'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Blackthorne.

Ea! says, 'If we do implement it, it'll be pretty similar to stun -- more there to allow people to have a stylistic difference than a different effect.'

Ea! says, 'Though some mobs might respond differently to the two.'

Craven says, 'I'd paralyze people so they could see how evil I am'

Rahvin snickers softly.

Gondar chuckles politely at Craven's feeble witticism.

Rahvin stands up.

LadyAce says to Craven, 'more taunting possibilities :)'

Craven grins evilly at LadyAce.. wonder what he's thinking...

Craven says, 'though its fun to blind people while stunned'

Craven says, 'cuz they wake up and don't know they are blind'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Oh, if I do implement it, I'll certainly make the messages it sends as taunting as I can come up with.'

Craven says, 'couldn't do that with paralyze :)'

Ea! says, ''cause, afterall, that's the main reason for it.'

Lag and Instability

Kintare says, 'yeah, well I've noticed a lot more lag lately. and when the mud crashes it sometimes goes down for long periods of time. two crashes last week were half an hour and two hours. seems like the game's reliability has fallen. what's going on?'

Sandra says, 'those two crashes were just bad timing. None of us were on to fix it right away'

Ea! says to Kintare, 'We've had a few crashing bugs recently -- I think we have them all sorted out. But I'm not sure why you weren't able to reconnect...'

Kintare says, 'for like 2 hours one night the mud was down'

LadyAce says, 'we might've hung, where the mud was up but messed up.'

Kintare nods solemnly.

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Sandra says, 'that's what it was'

Kintare says, 'well'

Gondar nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ea! says, 'Ah, right. I had forgotten about the hanging bug.'

Kintare says, 'my connection hasn't changed in months, and it just seems like this month and last there's been a lot more lag too'

LadyAce says, 'they have the same bad affect for players but they have different causes'

LadyAce says, 'hangs and crashes I mean'

Heineken says, 'are there still ISP problems?'

Craven says, 'I don't lag...'

LadyAce says, 'I don't know of any specific ISP problems recently'

Craven says, 'next time you lag do a traceroute, it might be between you and the mud, that sucks cuz theres nothing you can do...'

Ea! says, 'The last ISP problem we had was right before thanksgiving.'

Ea! nods his agreement with Craven.

Kintare says, 'well'

Kintare says, 'I know a few others who have said the same thing'

Kintare shrugs helplessly.

Heineken nods his agreement with Ea!.

Craven says, 'I always traceroute when I start lagging so I can tell if its the mud or me or what'

Ea! says, 'Like a week or so before, *right* before -- that one was the machine crashing.'

Craven says to Ea!, 'you talking when you were gone?'

Kintare says, 'is the hanging because of the compression maybe?'

Ea! says to Kintare, 'If you're getting a lot of lag, do a traceroute and mud or email me the output?'

Kintare says to Ea!, 'okie'

LadyAce says, 'the hanging was due to some bugs'

Craven says, 'I turned that stupid compression off!'

LadyAce says, 'and so were the crashings'

Ea! says, 'No, it was a problem with the seek code that was causing the mud to hang.'

Craven says, 'caused WAY too many problems'

LadyAce says, 'mob bugs, code bugs...we've had a nasty string of them.'

Kintare says, 'the compression is great during off-peak hours...commands are like instantaneous'

LadyAce says, 'really? that's good :)'

Craven says, 'hehe, compressions doesn't make a difference really...'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Kintare says, 'during peak hours it still lags'

Gondar says, 'compression?'

Kintare shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'snapper installed it'

Craven says, 'some clients can use a compression technique to lower lag'

Gondar says, 'vas ist?'

Craven says, 'it helps the server more than the players'

Ea! says, 'We've found that the compression is saving us about 2% of our network traffic at the moment.'

LadyAce says, 'traceroutes would be helpful there, to tell both you and us where the latency is'

Kintare nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Craven says, 'if your on a 56k modem a 200 is about average'

Craven says, 'anything over 3 or 400 is bad'

Kintare is on a T1.

Craven says, 'yea, you shouldn't have anything over 40 or 50 max'

Ea! says to Kintare, 'Unfortuantly, the mud isn't.'

Gondar is on a 56k average 49333

Kintare nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kintare says to Ea!, 'I only asked cuz before october or so everything was fine, then it seemed like it started to slide a bit'

Kintare shrugs helplessly.

Heineken says, 'out of curiosity, what kind of line is the mud on?'

Craven says, 'dsl!'

Craven says, 'oooh, what kind of dsl though? :P'

Ea! says, 'It's possible that it's mud lag instead of network lag. We're talking about ways to improve the mud lag as well.'

LadyAce says to Kintare, 'I wish I had more answers. I don't know of anything in particular that happened around then, other than the mud machine move in August'

Craven says, 'is it adsl? sdsl? theres only about 1900 types :P'

Ea! says, 'It's 416k SDSL.'

LadyAce says, 'we're not using much of it right now tho'

LadyAce says, '2819 chars/second'

Craven says, 'I can't believe we use much'

Heineken nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'I've ran muds on my machine on a 33k uplink with 6 people on with no lag'

Kintare says, 'okie that was all :)'

Craven says, 'you have a lot more then me :P'

DoctorBob says, 'is the legend compoooter in chicago now?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with DoctorBob.

DoctorBob says, 'and can you decorate it, and let people take photos with it? maybe a lil grass skirt..'

Kintare snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'it's not all that interesting :P'

Ea! says, 'Right now we're using about 100Kps.'

Ressurect Spell?

Gondar says, '1, is ressurect ever gonna get imped'

Ea! says, 'Probably not soon.'

Craven says, 'probably trees...'

Gondar says, 'been curious about that for a looooong time'

Craven says, 'how would ressurect be different then animate dead or whatever it is we use for skelletons now ?'

DoctorBob says, 'hmmph, craven, you should apply for Pr :P'

Craven says, 'does the help file say? I can't read it :P'

Craven laughs at DoctorBob.

Gondar says, 'ressurect is for player corpses'

Ea! says, 'It's supposed to bring you to your corpse.'

Craven says, 'ahh'

DoctorBob says, 'wasnt it supposed to do something lame, like warp you back to your corpse?'

Craven says, 'I remember reading that'

DoctorBob says, 'yeah :p'

Kintare says, 'wow, that'd be great to have'

Craven says, 'interesting idea'

Craven says, 'could be bad'

DoctorBob says, 'hahah never need cr again, sorta'

Craven says, 'someone dies and then people abuse it to multi you or something :P'

Ea! nods his agreement with Craven.

DoctorBob laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says, 'It's used on pk muds to multi like mad, yeah'

Ea! says, 'Yep. Could be really, really bad.'

LadyAce shudders.

Craven has fore sight :P

Ea! says, 'Or resurrect someone back to the middle of SL or something.'

Craven says, 'its a lot like the summon spell on other muds'

LadyAce says, 'with erin in the room'

LadyAce giggles.

DoctorBob says, 'god i cant imagine it being good for multi, at like 100+mana?'

Ea! says to DoctorBob, 'Well, I think it'd be more worse as a harassment-type thing. Someone finally makes it out of SL after dying a bunch, you resurrect them back to their corpse, and they're SL-runless.'

DoctorBob looks up into the sky and ponders.

DoctorBob nods her agreement with Ea!.

DoctorBob says, 'i love it, when is it getting imp'd?'

Gondar says, 'dont you hafta be at the corpse to cast it though?'

DoctorBob ducks to the ground.

Ea! says, 'We might be able to stop that code-wise, but we'd want to be sure before implementing it.'

Craven says, 'you'd have to make ressurrect ask for permission or something'

Kintare says, 'you could give people he option of destroying their corpses'

Craven says, 'like a portal opens and you have to choose to enter it'

LadyAce says, 'if they can get back to them to do it'

Ea! says, 'I think you have to be at the person, not at the corpse. But maybe it's the corpse. I forget.'

LadyAce says, 'there's lots of issues to think about, at any place.'

LadyAce says, 'er at any rate.'

Gondar nods solemnly.

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'not a soon thing, but not a never ever thing either I don't think'

DoctorBob says, 'if its corpse that would like totally stop the whole warp em to sl thing :P'

DoctorBob says, 'unless you went into sl naked, warped them, then died..'

DoctorBob looks up into the sky and ponders.

Craven says, 'I'd rather you worked on other things then ressurect atm :P'

Craven says, 'cause mages are doing juuuuust fine'

Stun says, 'so are create'

DoctorBob says to Craven, 'quiet you! this might be the only way i can mess with pd runs now ;)'

Gondar says, 'a bit of damage for headbutt would be nice, as would lowering the & of self stunes'

Craven snickers at DoctorBob nastily.

Ea! says, 'but it's not as useful for helping newbies if it's at the corpse.'

Headbutt Skill

Gondar says, '2, how come headbutts a) do so little damage compared to bash or elbow'

Kintare says, 'headbutts don't do any damage, they just stun'

Craven says, 'they do damage'

Craven says, 'they do 2'

Craven says, '5 if your from klien'

Craven snickers softly.

Craven grumbles to Ea!.

LadyAce giggles at Craven.

Gondar says, '5 points aint it?'

LadyAce says, 'headbutt does have the advantage of being able to knock people out'

Heineken says, 'yeah, including yourself'

Gondar says, 'and why do they stun the butt-er as much as the butt-ee?'

Craven says, 'yea, since stun is the only way to hurt people with a sword these days :)'

Kintare says, 'headbutt rarely does though'

Craven says, 'cuz your opponant has 100 con too'

Craven says, 'cuz mobs are cheap and have all 100's in stats :P'

Gondar says, '90+% of my stun headbutts stun me too'

LadyAce says, 'as for the value of headbutt...well...balance adjustments are in the works, when they're in place we'll know what more needs doing'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'I think headbutt is probably one of the best skills in the game'

Craven says, 'I personally think its just fine'

Stun says, 'you only wanna change things you're not fine with'

Craven says, 'of course, thats human nature'

LadyAce says, 'I've found it can really suck when you have only average stats.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Craven nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Gondar says, 'i stun myself more with headbutt at 100con than I did at 50'

Backstab and Paralyze

Craven says, 'my question I guess is on the backstab thing'

Craven says, 'I have at least one, maybe 2'

Craven says, 'can you still paralyze on stuns'

Ea! says, 'yep.'

Craven says, 'k'

Craven says, 'and #2...'

Craven says, 'would it be possible to make it give you a message like stun while you fight?'

Craven says, 'every round it says they are stunned or whatever, make it say they are paralyzed'

Kintare says, 'they did that'

Kintare says, 'it's in this week's changes'

Ea! says to Craven, 'That'd be the 3rd one under bug fixes.'

Craven says, 'oh I didn't see it'

Ea! giggles.

Craven says, 'good deal'

Craven says, 'thats it'

LadyAce says, '"Craven stares at you blankly, unable to move."'

LadyAce says, 'how's that?'

Kintare says, 'sweet'

Craven says, 'sounds good, but make there eyes dart :P'

Craven says, 'cuz they can still move their eyes!'

LadyAce says, '"Craven stares at you blankly through the rain of blows, unable to move."'

Kintare says, 'and see how you're ripping em to pieces'

Craven says, 'dart franticly!'

Bonus for Straight Fighters?

Blackthorne says, 'any thought into giving straight fighters a bonus, seeing as they really dont have a chance in this type of mud, how about if you have str, con, and dex as your top 3 stats, you get skill bonuses, like...'

Blackthorne says, 'if you kick someone breathless that said person cannot chant'

Ea! says to Blackthorne, 'We've already got bonuses for people from combat-inclined hometowns...'

Blackthorne says, 'a longer bash for straight fighters, maybe headbutt as well?'

Craven says to Ea!, 'thats a lie and you know it :P'

Kintare says, 'ewww fighers would dominate'

Blackthorne says to Ea!, 'your talking about Klein yes, but they have access to magic'

Craven says to Ea!, 'making headbutt do 5 damage instead of 2 is not a bonus :P'

LadyAce says to Blackthorne, 'we have a lot of 'pure fighter' type bonuses built into trees...'

DoctorBob says, 'is london a fighting hometown? ;)'

Blackthorne nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kintare says to LadyAce, 'yeah but they're on hold'

Kintare giggles.

Craven says, 'this is my only klien character, and I was sooooo depressed when I found out what the bonus's really did'

Stun says, 'what do they do'

Craven says, 'add a tiny little bit of damage on skills'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, but the problem is we've got a fair bit done on them as it is, and if we make too many changes in areas they're designed to deal with...'

LadyAce says, 'we hafta start all over'

Craven says, 'i was under the impression they'd help you hit, not do more damage'

Stun says, 'ewww'

Kintare says to LadyAce, 'so? you've already done that twice before'

Kintare ducks to the ground.

Craven says, 'so like 100 str vs 100 str bash, I thought a klien person would have a 55% or 60% chance of hitting instead of 50% like everyone else'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Actually, you're wrong.'

Craven says, 'really?'

Craven says, 'I'm going by what you told me when I asked you :)'

Craven says, 'but please, enlighten me!!!'

Ea! says to Craven, 'I think we adjusted it since then. '

Craven says to Ea!, 'and let me guess...you can't tell us?'

Ea! says, 'It would have been on the welcome board.'

Craven says, 'well'

Craven says, 'I think I'm pretty damn regular up here, and I never heard of any differences :P'

Ea! says, 'Well, it is both chance to hit and damage.'

Kintare says, 'in practice, the klein bonuses seem pretty negligible to me'

Kintare shrugs helplessly.

Locate Objects?

DoctorBob says, 'can you make a locate object spell, and can you do it before skill trees? :p'

DoctorBob says, 'oh and, wtf is with hunt now'

DoctorBob says, 'it doesnt corespond to tell #'s anymore?'

LadyAce says, 'are you sure you're telling to the right mob?'

DoctorBob says, 'yah'

Ea! says, 'It's probably pretty hard to do locate object well. We'll probably wait and do it with the lore skills under trees.'

Ea! says, 'tell and hunt numbers haven't lined up for years.'

DoctorBob says, 'like tell 2.lion is the man eater, hunt 2. is the circus lion, and hunt 8. is the man eater'

Ea! says, 'We'd fix it, but, frankly, the fix we have planned is to remove the ability to tell to mobs.'

LadyAce says, 'I remember people driving me nuts after Croaker put cheetahs in Greece...'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kintare says, 'yeah let's all run around to every room checking to see if mobs are up'

Publicized Bonuses

Craven says, 'I only have one last thing to say before I go...'

Craven says, 'I feel that the bonus's should be public, don't hide them. The bonus's to every other hometown are obvious and in the open, don't hide kliens and expect people to be happy with knowing theres a bonus, just not knowing what. If it ma'

Craven says, 'if it makes fighters better, fine, but at least tell us how so we can decide if its worth it....thats it :)'

Heineken nods his agreement with Craven.

Stun says, 'pwipe all the half mages. =P j/k'

Kintare says, 'oh bleh :P'

Ea! says to Craven, 'We don't reveal any numbers. Try it and find out.'

Craven sighs wistfully at the sight of Ea!.

Craven says to Ea!, 'thats exactly what I mean'

Craven says, 'it just so happens klien is the only hometown where numbers matter'

Craven says, 'just saying "klien fighters are better' isn't enough I guess...'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says to Craven, 'No it isn't. How much damage immolate and so forth does matters as well -- it's just that you've got a better idea on that.'

Craven says, 'its obviously your call, but I think its a mistake not giving any indication how your better or what is better'

Craven shakes his head.

Craven says, 'the bonus to agrabah is 3rd circle spells'

Craven says, 'the bonus to tara is druidic and augment'

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather see us put in some ways to see if mobs are up and have better distribution of useful mobs for people before we pull tells to mobs'

Craven says, 'the bonus to london is snipe and the expert parry and best healing'

Kintare nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Craven says, 'these are all obvoius'

Kintare says to LadyAce, 'please'

Craven says, 'kliens is..."you are a better fighter"'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says to Craven, 'But we don't reveal the difference in healing between non-augmented and augmented poultices.'

Stun says, 'klein has a bonus of having 2nd circle and deadeye'

Craven says, 'like I said, whatever, its your call, I just don't think its very inviting'

Craven says, 'ea...'

Ea! says, 'Or the amount expert parry helps.'

LadyAce says, 'if you can go to an area and have a good chance of there being some stuff to fight, the specifics won't matter much.'

Craven says, 'the differences between an augment and non augment are EXTREMELY obvious if you test it'

Craven says, 'the difference between me fighting from klien and from agrabah aren't'

Kintare says to LadyAce, 'there are always gonna be specific mobs though, for eq purposes alone, people want to find'

Craven says, 'fighting is incredibly random in the first place'

Craven says, 'augment isn't'

LadyAce says, 'if you need a mob for a particular task, tho, it should be possible to find out if they're around, maybe with a cheap spell or whatnot'

Ea! says, ''how bout expert vs. adv parry?'

Kintare nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'in reality, I see absolutely no difference'

LadyAce says, 'mobs with crystal balls, I dunno'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Ea! nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Craven says, 'and I would NEVER pick london simply for expert parry'

Craven says, 'that would be stupid'

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'that's one of the main reasons why we haven't pulled tells to mobs yet. Nothing better.'

LadyAce says, 'pendants that let you gaze into wells and streams and see other parts of the world.'

Kintare says to LadyAce, 'but then you can still do the same thing, functionally it's no different, it's just harder'

SkullKrusher says, 'how bout farsight spell'

LadyAce says, 'well, the essential notion is that telling to mobs is lame'

Kintare says, 'well in that light, so is telling to PCs :P'

Ea! says, 'The trick is how to write the code to do what we want it to do -- not how to justify it in the game.'

LadyAce says, 'the act of doing it is lame. not the function it serves, the function is okie dokie tho maybe a bit too easy'

Sandra says, 'I was gonna have some of the replicas reply to tells telling the person off. But I thought maybe that's not so smart =P'

DoctorBob snickers at Sandra nastily.

SkullKrusher says, 'spell that lets you see rooms like a mix of census and locate'

DoctorBob says, 'that woulda ruled'

SkullKrusher says, 'gotta have room name tho'

RedGeust says, 'I don't see how being able to tell to a mob to see that they are alive should be more difficult than it allready is'

LadyAce nods her agreement with SkullKrusher.

Kintare says, 'you shouldn't be able to tell across the mud to players but you can. what's so bad about doing it to mobs?'

DoctorBob says to SkullKrusher, 'how many different wandering the savanas are there tho? :p'

Ea! says, 'tell's out of character. Mobs are in character.'

SkullKrusher says to DoctorBob, 'yeah well thos room wont work :P'

DoctorBob throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

RedGeust says, 'tells are out of character, players SHOULD be in character... so do away with tells all together?'

Kintare says, 'NO'

SkullKrusher says, 'you can always locate'

Heineken gasps in astonishment.

Kintare says to SkullKrusher, 'no, YOU can always locate'

Kintare can't.

SkullKrusher says, 'or maybe get locate scrolls if they imp them'

LadyAce says, 'nah, it's up to players how they balance IC and OOC'

Kintare nods her agreement with LadyAce.

DoctorBob says to SkullKrusher, 'what if there is more than one elephant, or whatever mob :p'

DoctorBob says, 'you cant locate 2.stinkybreadman'

RedGeust says, 'that should read ea's point'

SkullKrusher says, '2.efelant'

SkullKrusher pats DoctorBob on the head.

DoctorBob says to SkullKrusher, 'go try it you weenie!'

SkullKrusher ducks to the ground.

SkullKrusher grins evilly.

Kintare says, 'dunno, I don't think there's anything wrong with it, there's no reason to sacrifice gameplay just to make it more logical. tons of stuff here isn't logical'

Kintare shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'maybe the spell should return all the elephants, or a chance of multiple elephants, rather than just the one'

Kintare says, 'bleh we need more skills not spells :P'

SkullKrusher says, 'maybe multipule targets so if you cast "farsight elephant" you would get all the elephants and there rooms'

Players Restringing?

Heineken says, 'Any chance of players being able to restring items themselves?'

DoctorBob bounces around.

DoctorBob cheers for Heineken - huzzah!

LadyAce says, 'it's an idea we've tossed around'

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'but I think that the risk of misuse is probably too high'

SkullKrusher says, 'seems kind of abusable to me'

DoctorBob says, 'i dont like holding 2 almost 10k rent weapons cause i need a restring :p'

SkullKrusher shrugs philosophically.

Heineken says, 'but if you can't rent old and new item at the same time and can't find an imm fast, you're in trouble :('

DoctorBob says, 'sometimes its hard to get items, and its always hard to get an imm, soooooo.'

LadyAce says, 'I know it can be irritating, but there are ways around it. Houses, friends, getting the item restrung on to storage in advance and getting a temp weapon'

Why not start everyone off PKOK-enabled?

RedGeust says, 'Why not make every single character created here pkok all, with a default to reject all. So that that whole burden is removed from the admin staff? Make it kick in at level 10.'

DoctorBob nods her agreement with RedGeust.

SkullKrusher says, 'not a bad idea'

LadyAce says, 'because if you're new to pk, we hafta do a little speechifying'

Heineken shudders.

RedGeust says, 'I waited 16 hours before I could talk to an admin to get told to wait for another imm'

Fear says, 'cuz pk is a privledge, not a right :p'

SkullKrusher says to Fear, 'yeah like driving!'

SkullKrusher bumps into Fear as he staggers around the room.

Ea! says, 'Also, when we enable you is when it checks to see if you're banned from pk.'

Sandra says, 'an admin imm told you to wait for another imm?'

Fear says, 'what Ea said.'

LadyAce says, 'any admin or dept head should be able to pkokset you'

RedGeust says, 'well it was done in the end, but it was still a needless hassle in my view'

LadyAce says, 'I think the risk of having people going into pk not having even talked to anyone poses a far greater hassle'

RedGeust says, 'again, just a suggestion for a little more... efficiency.'

RedGeust says, 'honeslty I can't see it being that much different'

RedGeust says, 'maybe thats just me'

LadyAce says, 'well, you don't talk to stacks of new players about pk'

LadyAce ruffles RedGeust's hair playfully.

RedGeust says, 'no I don't'

LadyAce says, 'they often have questions and need clarifications'

RedGeust says, 'but I've been a new player starting in pk, and I've known lots of them'

RedGeust says, 'help pk'

Ea! says, 'I don't want to have to talk to the new player who got killed because someone said "Oh, hey, type "accept all" and then you'll get a free item.'

Heineken chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather have that extra level of assurance that they had a chance to know what they were getting themselves into'

RedGeust says to Ea!, 'good point, but surely there is an easy low maintenance way around that'

LadyAce says, 'the new system needs that sort of thing more than pk did, even...pkok is more complex than pk'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'at any rate, we've definitely chosen our inefficiencies :)'

Some ideas for Wall Spells

Fear says, 'ummm, I made some suggestions about walls a long time ago, and I'm making a new create type, just wondering if those suggestions were ever considered.'

Ea! says, 'which ones?'

LadyAce says, 'which suggestions?'

Fear says, 'making diff walls have diff pros and cons.'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, that's on the todo list still.'

Fear says, 'IE: fly over stone walls, or climb, etc..'

LadyAce says, 'we get something like 500 idea/typo/bug reports a week, so we don't remember who made which one :)'

Fear says, 'instead of detect making them all useless.'

SkullKrusher chuckles politely.

Fear nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Huginn.

LadyAce says, 'is a good suggestion :)'

Fear nods her agreement with DoctorBob.

What about making the TO DO list public?

LadyAce says, 'maybe we should make the todo list public :)'

Fear nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Heineken nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ea! shakes his head.

LadyAce says, 'I don't know if any of it is a secret?'

Huginn says, 'some of it are bugs that are still around'

LadyAce says, 'security thru obscurity? :)'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Ea!.

Huginn says, 'that'd be bad to broadcast'

Ea! nods his agreement with Huginn.

Huginn shrugs helplessly.

Huginn says, 'not really :-)'

Fear says, 'it'd be nice to see the plans on things like that, though.'

LadyAce says, 'well, everything but the secrect stuff then'

LadyAce says, 'redact it a bit'

Ea! says, 'Also, we'd need to be a lot more careful about the sort of comments and ideas we put in it.'

Huginn nods solemnly.

SkullKrusher raises his hand.

Ea! says, 'Redacting would get to be a pain. It's already enough of a pain.'

Ea! giggles.

Kintare says, 'it could just be an abridged version of the real list :)'

DoctorBob says, 'no idea what your talking about but, maybe ladyace could paraphrase it on the desc or welcome board? :p'

Ea! says, 'yeah, but every minute I'm abridging is one less minute to code.'

Huginn says, 'or the coder board :-)'

LadyAce says, 'well, I think being able to see what's planned would be encouraging to those who suggest stuff, and more concrete to those who are always hearing 'it's on the list''

Ea! says, 'It's, um, long.'

Huginn nods his agreement with Ea!.

Kintare says, 'so delegate'

Kintare giggles.

Ea! says, 'Right now it's about 32k of flat text, about one suggestion per line or so.'

LadyAce says to Kintare, 'to who? :) everyone has things to do.'

LadyAce says to Kintare, 'besides, being an imm here is kinda like issuing orders to a barrel of wet kittens'

Kintare says to LadyAce, 'dunno but Ea's the head, the little ones are supposed to do the annoying gruntwork'

Kintare giggles.

Huginn says to Kintare, 'he does more of it'

Kintare says, 'ya know, abridging lists, getting him coffee, that kinda thing'

LadyAce says to Kintare, 'if they have time to do legend stuff, they'd rather it be code and usually, so would we.'

LadyAce says to Kintare, 'we don't have any interns :)'

Kintare says, 'I'll be an intern!'

LadyAce giggles at Kintare.

DoctorBob says to LadyAce, 'arent new imms interns?'

DoctorBob says, 'arent you all interns, since ya dont make money? :p'

Targettable Dispel Illusion?

SkullKrusher says, 'i asked this before but... any hope of getting dispel illusion target based insted of it poofing all like it does now'

Fear says, 'that was part of my wall idea, actually :p'

SkullKrusher grins evilly at Fear.. wonder what he's thinking...

Ea! says, 'The in-game idea behind illusions on the mud is that they're created by bending and playing tricks with the light. Dispeling is done by undoing it, but it's a area-affect thing.'

Fear says, 'well, here's the thing, Ea!.'

Ea! says, 'The balance reason is that it means that you can't dispel only your enemies illusions, you have to make the decision to do all of them.'

SkullKrusher says, 'so when i cast dispel illusion it would pop my doppel someone elses doppel and ther shield and armor thats a little much dont you think'

Fear says, 'you can't pick up a dagger that you can't see.. why should you be able to dispel an illusion you can't see?'

Fear says to Ea!, 'or detect it, for that matter.'

SkullKrusher says, 'it would be much better if i could target my dispel illusion'

Fear says, 'that alone would make walls alot better.'

SkullKrusher says, 'say dispel illusion doppelganger'

Ea! says, 'Well, the illusions aren't supposed to be what you're modifying to dispel them -- you're supposed to be modifying the light in the room.'

Fear says, 'light that you can't see?'

SkullKrusher says, 'then how come they can carry items'

SkullKrusher blinks in surprise.

DoctorBob snickers softly.

DoctorBob bonks Kintare on the head!

Ea! says, 'How often can't you see any light?'

Kintare peers at DoctorBob, looking her up and down.

Fear says, 'how often can't you see an invis person standing in front of you?'

Fear says, 'realism only goes so far.'

SkullKrusher sighs loudly.

LadyAce says to Fear, 'i've never dealt with invisible beings at all, it's hard to say :)'

DoctorBob says to LadyAce, 'never saw preditor? :P'

Fear says to LadyAce, 'because no such thing actually exists..'

Ideas about Invisibility

Kintare says, 'okie here's an idea, dunno how possible it is. being invis, especially in pk, gives the invis person a huge advantage unless the other guy happens to have the means to see them. so how about signs that an invis person is in the room?'

Kintare says, 'like rustling...or footprints...'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

DoctorBob says to Kintare, 'or their chalice trigs going off? :p'

LadyAce says, 'that's how it is in the movies anyway'

LadyAce giggles at DoctorBob.

Kintare says, 'well come on, I mean just cuz you're invis doesn't mean you have no weight or that you're totally silent :P'

Ea! says, 'yeah, I'd like sound to play a larger part in the game. I'm not sure how to do it well, though, but I could see doing a change like that.'

LadyAce says, 'high perc seems like something that should help out in a case like that'

Kintare says, 'you shouldn't need high perc to see footprints appearing in the sand near you tho'

LadyAce says, 'higher chance to notice the breaking branches or whatnot'

Ea! nods his agreement with LadyAce.

SkullKrusher says, 'hear footsteps'

LadyAce says, 'but that's something dependent on terrain'

Kintare says, 'or you could just hear footsteps'

Kintare shrugs helplessly.

Kintare shakes her head.

Ea! says, 'Perception isn't just about sight -- it's about sound as well.'

Kintare says, 'not if they're flying or sneaking'

LadyAce says, 'and that's a tough one to look for. carpeted vs hard floors, hard shoes vs rubber'

LadyAce says, 'flying, sneaking, winter, summer, oceans, forests'

LadyAce says, 'a million variables we could include :)'

Kintare says, 'all I think is, it should take more effort on a person's part to be completely undetectable'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kintare.

Ea! says, 'I think we'd gloss over some of the details and figure that sort of stuff is handled nicely by using random numbers.'

Kintare nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'But things like flying and sneaking would probably come into play -- in order to facilitate strategy, etc.'

LadyAce says, 'it seems like a change that would be a lot of fun to do, but I'm not sure it's extremely vital'

Kintare says, 'you'd have to sneak after going invis so no one hears you come in, stuff like that'

Ea! says, 'Yeah, I'd like to see it be part of a large group of changes to make deafness more painful.'

Kintare says, 'trees'

LadyAce says, 'the balance code changes, on the other hand, are starting to get moldy'

LadyAce nudges Ea!.

Kintare giggles.

Ea! says, 'And through in a silence spell... it'd be pretty cool -- you can't be heard, but it also means you can't talk, etc.'

Ea! throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

LadyAce giggles at Ea!.

LadyAce hugs Ea!.

Kintare says to Ea!, 'oooo'

Kintare says, 'a mute spell'

Trans'ing with Charmed Mobs

SkullKrusher says, 'i want a easy way to tranz charmies'

Ea! says to SkullKrusher, 'Me, too.'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Ea!.

Kintare says, 'how about if the trans mobs just trans them with you, can you do that?'

Ea! says, 'I think some transes should be easier to do with charmies and some harder.'

Kaige says, 'it would depend on the plot of the trans quest I'd think'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'I'd love to see some of the more out-of-the-way trans tran charmies more easily.'

SkullKrusher says, 'hunting 3 bunnys to tranz my doppel, me and demon sucks'

Kaige says, 'cause having a group of people sit down in a jar that isn't that big to start with strikes me as really bizarre'

DoctorBob says, 'cool finally a use for the sleep spell'

SkullKrusher says, 'cause there are never enough'

Kintare says to SkullKrusher, 'and then there aren't any for the rest of us'

Kintare whaps SkullKrusher across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

SkullKrusher peers at Kintare, looking her up and down.

Kintare says, 'just a small issue that's actually area specific, but would it be possible to make the agrabah -> ind trans doable by more than one person?'

Kaige says, 'I'd really like to have that trans go to med instead... but I'll see what I can do'

Kintare smiles happily.

Kaige isn't promising anything, it may be you'll have to go to Aztecs to do it.

Kaige grins evilly.

Kintare says, 'ewww'

SkullKrusher says, 'sandra has the right idea with the train'

SkullKrusher says, 'maybe make it a boat ride to ancient from indus or med that you can take charmies on'

SkullKrusher says, 'that i can hold a boat too'

Kintare says, 'there's already an aztec trans though...and there is no south america in ind :P'

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