December 14th, 2000

Changes to HP/MA/MV Items

Scream says, 'ok can you tell me how this change will do more good than harm, and is it worth all the code changes you must go through when I feel its not gonna solve the problem in the long run, only solve it now'

Scream says, 'like whats the benifits of this change so that it out weighs the bad enough to do this kind of change'

Scream says, 'I cant figure it out at all'

Sandra says, 'it will better divide the character types into what they should be. No one with 30 con should be able to have 500+hp. That's a con benefit. It's the same as your complaint about dex/per fighters decimating every round'

Scream looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says, 'and I should note, it's not a coding change, it's a building change'

Scream says, 'so that out weighs everything'

Scream says, 'well you have to change backstab, damage done by spells, etc etc'

Scream says, 'one wfw will be even more devesting than before'

Sandra says, 'you're not going to have even the slightest bit of balance, if someone with 100dex/per can have more hp and outtank someone that's meant to be a tank'

Scream says, 'people will be VERY upset'

Sandra says to Scream, 'I can't discuss backstab damage and the like, 1) because I'm not the head coder, and 2) because I really don't know that code'

Scream says, 'opps well you say that chat :P'

Scream says, 'How about this we put dam.hit gear back but insted of 6dam on a hernes just drop it a bit'

Sandra says, 'the problems that occured during the change of hit/dam gear were because we allowed old equipment to stay unchanged. That mistake won't happen again'

Scream says, 'why does it need to be changed at all?'

Sandra just told you why.

Scream screams loudly!

Scream reports: 432/432 hp 679/679 mana 381/392 mv.

Milamber says, 'bah, ya will take all hp eq from everyone in game?'

Sandra says, 'did anyone actually read all of my post?'

Aquilante says, 'is hit and dam finally get changed as well?'

Scream says, 'I did but it dosent make sence other than you want it changed'

Scream says, 'what im saying is ok now we have 600hps sniper with str peopel doing decimates now'

Ganymede says, 'the only thing that annoys me about being a sniper is that you have to sit to use a gun...makes no sense when you can stand to aim a bow'

Sandra says, 'did you all see the part in there were I said that the coding dept will be working on that side of hp?'

Scream says, 'now we gonna have 300hps snipers and str doing decimates which is the same as before'

Elfstone says, 'cant get 600 hp with 30 con can ya?'

Scream says, 'just at a lower scale'

Sandra says to Elfstone, 'yea, you can'

Elfstone looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kosminski says, 'ya maybe'

Kosminski says, 'be a stretch'

Elfstone shakes his head.

Scream says, 'I cant see it possible, while still having a good chara'

Kosminski says, 'you can easy get 520 tho'

Cancer nods his agreement with Scream.

Kosminski says, 'which is bad enough'

Milamber says, 'Ok, i will have more rent for potions then'

Milamber peers intently at a black horseshoe.

Sandra says to Scream, 'I had a dex mage with 95 mind and 590hp. It's extremely easy to have that high of hp'

Scream says, 'I dont see any 600hps snipers that have healing powers'

Scream reports: 432/432 hp 679/679 mana 381/392 mv.

Scream says, 'look at me'

Cancer nods his agreement with Scream.

Scream says, '100mind 93 dex 40con 43 spi 40per 32 str'

Aquilante says, 'takes just some careful planning'

Scream says, 'nowhere neer 500'

Scream reports: 432/432 hp 679/679 mana 381/392 mv.

Kosminski says, 'why are we debating the merits of a change that is going in? shouldn't be more of a info exchange about how its going to work?'

Ganymede says to Scream, 'it can be done. it HAS been done'

Sandra says to Kosminski, 'what was your question?'

Kosminski says, 'oh ya'

Kosminski says, 'so since you are updating pfiles'

Kosminski says, 'will you be adjusting OLD dam and +hit gear too?'

Scream says, 'ohhh im just being ignored and pushed asied'

Scream grumbles.

Sandra says, 'I'm going to say 'probably'. We haven't decided yet'

Kosminski says, 'and you mentioned dex/perc decimating'

Ganymede says, 'okay that would annoy me'

Kosminski says, 'thats an effect of the fight system, is a change in the works to tone down that damage?'

Sandra says, 'I really can't answer that, I don't know'

Aquilante says, 'as i was saying is gonna something be done for replace stats on those objects that will be modified?'

Aquilante says, 'like put clones?'

Aquilante says, 'of primary stats!'

Sandra says, 'in most cases, what will drop or be changed is the hp/ma/mv on the item, not the stats. But, that's also entirely up to the builder of those items. As for putting in clones, no it's not a priority at this time'

Kaige says to Scream, 'you'll really do better to bring your questions back to night when Ea!'s here. He'll be better able to answer the coding side of things and what they're doing. Asking the same thing over an over won't help much now.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra can't answer what she doesn't know.

Kosminski says, 'think hes afk'

Kosminski punches Scream in the face - better stand back!

Kosminski ducks to the ground.

Scream says, 'like I said I dont understand how you imms say this change dose more good than harm and im not getting a responce'

Scream peers at Kosminski, looking him up and down.

Cancer says, 'my mages only has 380 hit 89 str 83 mind -40 con -40 spirit 40 perc .... and after changes i'm gonna have 330 ish hp .. how is that unbalanced'

Sandra says, 'I answered you twice ;P'

Sandra says to Cancer, 'reread my post'

Kaige says, 'She answered it twice that I saw. Better variety and wider choices for characters.'

Kosminski says to Cancer, 'just because you are abusing +HP gear'

Kosminski says, 'doesnt mean others arent'

Ganymede says, 'the good it does is that right now snipers have way too much hp. that will change'

Kosminski says to Cancer, 'err you arent i mean'

Scream says, 'no you only said what comes out of it which is not a good thing btw'

Scream says, 'but like I said Ill ask later'

Sandra says, 'the coding staff will be working on the hp formula as well as the building staff working on the eq'

Kosminski says, 'work on elbow and bash too!'

Sandra says, 'so, you may not have 330hp, you may end up with what you have now. I dunno. I'm not sure how they're going to do it'

Kaige says, 'wider choices within their specialty in the long run, and if we can't get to working on those choices, for having to stop and fiddle with balancing everyone's pet peeve of the week, you're right.. it never WILL be an advanatage'

Kosminski says, 'and fix that backstab BUG!'

Aquilante snickers at Kosminski nastily.

Kaige says to Kosminski, 'I haven't seen anything that looks out of the ordinary in the code with regards to that'

Kosminski says, 'did you read my post #18'

Scream says, 'how much can you do when you only can be one thing?'

Kosminski says, 'i posted a cut past of the bug'

Sandra says to Kosminski, 'I think that's a prio thing, btw. Not a backstab thing'

Kosminski says, 'well prio bug then'

Scream says, 'with only 2 skills to choose from in each type its boring as hell dont you see that'

Aquilante says, 'well i think you partially answered..with those chnages are also bonus given from const on hps rethought?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Aquilante.

Kosminski says, 'no other fight skills + prio have that prob, Someone'

Aquilante says, 'and if you stripping down hitroll and damroll? those bonus as well?'

Kaige says to Kosminski, 'I also didn't say I was done looking at it, or I was the best person to do so. =)'

Kosminski cheers wildly!

Kosminski says, 'ah good at least someones looking into it'

Kosminski sticks his tongue out at Dune. =P

Sandra says to Aquilante, 'From what I understand, Ea is looking into making Dex not be so important in everything. But that's all I know about that'

Scream says, 'thank you'

Aquilante thanks Sandra heartily.

Kaige says to Scream, 'be sure to raise your hand again to get back in the queue'

Scream nods solemnly.

Scream says, 'im thinking atm :P'

Cancer says, 'is this an idea .. or is it GOING to happen past the skull ring and the horseshoe ?'

Sandra says, 'it's GOING to happen'

Cancer nods solemnly.

Kosminski beams delightedly.

Kosminski peers intently at an amethyst ring.

Ganymede looks at the discussion board.

Kosminski peers intently at a garnet ring.

Sandra says, 'I'd estimate by the end of the month'

Kaige says, 'we're also working on ways to prevent disproportionately nice items from finding their way into the game with less combing through the files by a human'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Scream says, 'ok why are we waisting time with stupid changes like this that wont help at all when we can be working hard on skill trees?'

Sandra is so sick of looking at numbers.

Kaige says to Scream, 'so that WE CAN'

Kosminski says, 'no skill trees'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Scream says, 'do you really need to do all this?'

Kosminski says, 'it will be macro time all over again'

Sandra says to Scream, 'coding = skilltrees = not being done until there's some balance in things. Or it will get much worse'

Scream says, 'no'

Aquilante says to Kaige, 'sorry i didn't undesratn your phrase?'

Kaige says, 'same thing as with the prestige changes... it's easier to start from a more solid foundation and be able to add on top...'

Ganymede says, 'sheesh scream you can't possibly say things are good the way they are'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Ganymede.

Scream says, 'they were fine before the dam gear was removed'

Kaige says to Aquilante, 'just saying we're doing things now so that we can add those new skills and other advantages into the game'

Kosminski raises his hand.

Aquilante nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'um, when a con mage with 26str was damcapping, things were not right =P'

Aquilante nods solemnly.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kosminski's head.

Scream says, 'I have never in my life seen that'

Kosminski says, 'i did it with 35 str'

Scream says, 'and that happens once in like 10000 trys'

Sandra says, 'I've seen it, done it, and had it happen to me'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'depends if you were only interested in that particular con mage's performance tho'

Kosminski says, '100 con mind'

Scream says, 'ok I have a con mage 35 str 100mind'

Scream says, 'I damcapped ONCE in his entire life span and over is crap loads of fights'

Kosminski says to Scream, '2 hernes 2 brines and that staff from algonquin chief'

Scream says, 'you lose all your dex if you for that'

Scream says, 'and 100mind is not achiveable like that'

Kosminski says to Scream, '91 con 90 mind 60 dex'

Ganymede says, 'well just on general principle, are we to assume that hp/mana will be treated like dam and hit are, as a ratio of stat points/bonuses?'

Scream says, 'I know I have one'

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says, 'well'

Sandra says, 'let me see how I can put it'

Scream says, '100con 100mind is diff from 90 91'

Milamber nods his agreement with Aquilante.

Kaige says, 'better to think of everything as a ratio of a bonus'

Kaige says, 'not tie it to one type of bonus'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Aquilante raises his hand.

Ganymede says, 'so for example'

Ganymede says, 'an item might be made to have a +4 bonus to a stat and then a certain number of hp or mana that corresponds to a 5th point'

Sandra says, 'something like that, yea'

Kosminski says, 'ya use kraken as exampe'

Ganymede says to Sandra, 'heh a new mob in your own area has out of spec items then ;)'

Kosminski says, 'or will it be a percent of natural HP?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Aquilante hugs a silver arcane symbol on a blackened leather thong.

Ganymede chuckles politely.

Ganymede nods his agreement with Aquilante.

Aquilante sniffs sadly at a silver arcane symbol on a blackened leather thong.

Sandra giggles.

Cancer says, 'will the coder side of it with the con be in round the same time has the item changes or like a few weeks later ? but i do feel the changes need cos with out the horse in i was able to have 630 hp 95/prec 90 dex ,, abit unbalanced'

Aquilante nods solemnly.

Kosminski says, 'why does that npc eat that nice colored weapon? drives me nuts'

Milamber chuckles politely.

Aquilante says, 'i just need the ac though'

Sandra says to Cancer, 'it'll go in together as a package deal'

Kaige says to Cancer, 'we'll have to ask that of Ea tonight. I don't know what his timetable is looking like'

Sandra says to Kosminski, 'which one? There's 2?'

Ganymede says, 'guys, please don't change my horns on me. I suck badly enough as it is'

Kosminski says, 'the one on Lori'

Ganymede sniffs sadly.

Kosminski says, 'i love colored gear'

Kosminski says, 'we need more'

Kosminski nonchalantly flips a shiny red wyrm's scale.

Kosminski says, 'don't seem red to me'

Sandra says, 'because I would never want her dagger to be used by anyone other than her. IT was her trademark'

Kosminski nods solemnly.

Aquilante says, 'hehhe'

Kaige whispers quietly to Kosminski.

Scream says, 'what the attitude?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Scream.

Aquilante says, 'didn't have any doubt'

Scream chuckles politely.

Kosminski sucks at getting coupons!

Kaige comforts Kosminski.

Sandra says, 'it took me 5 weeks to think up that string =P'

Scream rolls his eyes heavenward.

Sandra says, 'I lost who was next with a question'

Scream says, 'and I thought I was bad'

Aquilante says to Sandra, 'i don't believe you..you always have a bad attitude :P'

Sandra giggles at Aquilante.

Ganymede says to Sandra, 'really it's just along the same lines as K'Mala's weapon :P'

Ganymede ducks under Sandra.

Sandra says to Aquilante, 'lori was much worse =P'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Scream says, 'ok this was a idea that someone brought up to me last night'

Scream says, 'insted of removing all the hps dam hit etc geat'

Scream says, 'we just do a bonus based on your stats'

Scream says, 'so if you have 90con you get a hps bonus'

Scream says, '90str gets dam'

Scream says, '90 dex get hitroll'

Sandra says, 'sorta does the same thing asa changing the gear, yea?'

Aquilante says, 'actually i brought it up..but was not instead of removing the gear..'

Sandra says, 'I understand what you mean. Someone had brought up that idea when we were discussing the hit/dam eq on the imm mailing list'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'but doesn't leave as much leeway for locking you into a type'

Scream says, 'kind of but this way people wont get upset by changing there gear more harmoney less bad attitude towards imms'

Kosminski says, 'can i get on that mailing list to put my 2 cents in?'

Kosminski chuckles politely.

Aquilante says, 'i mean if you remove gear why don't give extra bonus to stats over 90 ?'

Kaige says, 'it rather would force the issue of dex for dex, con for con only type thing that was pointed aout as a bad thing earlier'

Scream says, 'no with that you dont have to change the gear cause you get a nice bonus for getting high con dex etc etc'

Sandra says, 'well, I think that they would probably just have their anger tilted towards another set of imms ;)'

Aquilante says, 'well i thought that was the point of changing the gear'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Aquilante says, 'so dex is dex and str is str'

Kaige says, 'not to completely straightjacket you now'

Scream says, 'I just dont understand why you want dex is dex con is con so boring'

Kaige says, 'err no.'

Kosminski says, 'ok seems to be there are 2 things to balance'

Kosminski says, 'one is the con dex str hp damage done etc wihch you are working on'

Kosminski says, 'the other is skills, ie magic backstab kick elbow etc'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Kaige says, '*I* personally, don't, Scream.. you say you don't. but what you just suggested would enforce that moreso'

Kosminski says, 'is that being worked on or even looked into?'

Scream says, 'this mud is losing its touch as it is we need something to bring it back, taking away gear is not the way to go'

Scream says, 'well I just want another way of solving things thatn equ ripping'

Sandra says to Kosminski, 'all I know about skills and the like is that Ea said that he was working on a way to make dex less dependant for everything. You'd probably get a much better answer asking him tonight'

Scream says, 'your taking away chara development and chara chanage for boring, I really dont like the path its taking'

Kosminski says to Scream, 'if a given item is unbalancing for a game, you don't re-write the game to balance the item you remove it'

Aquilante says, 'that's ok..but still i think if you remove damroll and hitroll gear there should be some kind of susbstitution?'

Kosminski says, 'say oops and move on'

Kaige nods her agreement with Kosminski.

Kosminski says, 'ya there is only one +5 str held item'

Scream says, 'the item is not imbalanced when you have dam hit and hp gear all togehter'

Sandra says, 'there's more than 1'

Kosminski looks up into the sky and ponders.

Aquilante says, 'i don't even know one :)'

Kosminski says to Sandra, 'when you gonna let me look and the entire eq database?'

Kosminski pouts.

Sandra giggles.

Scream says, 'hp gear didnt mean crap when you had dam hit gear it was all part of the game'

Sandra says, 'yea it did. YOu had to have alot of hp to survive getting damcapped 3 out of 5 rounds'

Scream says, 'you took away dam gear cause someone complained that getting wfwed and getting hit hard was wrong'

Sandra shakes her head.

Kaige says, 'not at all'

Kosminski says, 'either you bring back hit and dam or remove +hp, i think removing the +hp is the way to go also'

Sandra says, 'we took away dam gear because we knew it was a problem.'

Kaige says, 'sheesh if that was our only basis for decisions, we'd be in real trouble.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Scream says, 'im talking to a brick wall, now I know why I gave up on this game'

Kosminski says to Scream, 'why do you think removing the +hp gear is bad?'

Sandra says, 'while we read and listen to everything said and posted, that does not instantly mean that a change we do is because of what 1 person said or wrote.'

Milamber thinks it is :P

Kaige ruffles Milamber's hair playfully.

Milamber pats Kaige on the head.

Sandra points at Aquilante.

Scream says, 'its not need, cause one , it pisses people off, two it wont solve the pk problem, 3 its not gonna solve the problem we are just going back to the way it was when hit dam gear was in just at a lower scale, four the coding need to so th'

Aquilante says, 'hnestly if you going to strip out completely old dam and hitroll..shouldn't be any change done to balance out?'

Aquilante goes EEK! in distress.

Aquilante says, 'as you gonna do for const'

Scream says, 'I got more'

Scream says, 'but like I said what I say dont make a diff your gonna do it not matter what we say'

Sandra says to Aquilante, 'there was a change when hit/dam eq was changed. and as I said, Ea was working on the dex problem.'

Aquilante says, 'uhm so you mean is omly dex problem?'

Aquilante says, 'that's str people cannot damcap?'

Aquilante says, 'taht's why i mean'

Scream says, 'my soulution is put damgear back at lower dam bonus,'

Kaige sure did yesterday with her mort.

Sandra says, 'I think that it's really better to ask Ea, since he knows the code alot better than I do ;) Though str people can damcap, btw'

Aquilante says, 'no way can damcap on me :P'

Ganymede says, 'I damcap all the time :P'

Kosminski says, 'in mob kill?'

Kosminski says, 'or pk'

Ganymede says, 'both'

Sandra says, 'I have a str mage that has all new eq and damcaps. Hehe'

Kosminski nods solemnly.

Scream says, 'you got old equ so you dont count'

Milamber cackles gleefully at Ganymede - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Aquilante says, 'try me :P'

Sandra says, 'so it's still very possible'

Ganymede says, 'I ripped 4 times on Carney and capped once on him in a fight'

Kaige says, 'yeah, my char's night high enough to pkill effectively yet'

Aquilante says, 'he is str'

Scream says, 'well on a wfw it dont make a diff'

Kaige says, 'err not'

Kosminski says, 'hes got no ac'

Ganymede says, 'nope, he wasn't stunned'

Aquilante says, 'try damcap me'

Sandra bashed, not wfw.

Scream says, 'gauche'

Fuego says, 'yeah i have a question about strength then'

Milamber says, 'now all fights will be about luck, one para and all 30 con ppl could write 1'

Fuego says, 'why is it that i dont hit harder when people are bashed when i have 47 damroll?'

Kosminski says, 'i think str is fun to play just it so weak vs others in pk'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'you can ask it, but if it's a code question I'm gonna give you the default 'you'll need to ask Ea about code' response ;)'

Scream says, 'I give up giving comments'

Aquilante says, 'no way...Mac with 40 hitroll and 50 damroll and me bashed couldn't damcap on me'

Scream says, 'boring mud here we come'

Aquilante says, 'is wrong!'

Kosminski says, 'mac used heavy brahman tho'

Aquilante says, 'sss'

Scream says, 'the con fighter shall rule the mud now'

Kosminski says, 'oh wow'

Scream says, 'stupid stupid stupid'

Milamber cheers wildly!

Milamber bounces onto Scream's lap.

Milamber says, 'I'm con'

Milamber throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Scream says, 'but hey its what you want'

Aquilante giggles.

Sandra says, 'I dunno. Mac, Craven and I did some toying, and my str fighter outdamaged Mac with the same hit/dam. Was sorta funny'

Scream says, 'why dont you let me test'

Aquilante says, 'well you go tkaram :)'

Teal1Guest returns to being In Character.

Aquilante says, 'er karma'

Fuego says, 'ooh ooh i dont :P'

Sandra says, 'that was a few months ago. Was hilarious though to damcap craven while blinded and sitting'

Kaige doubts it was just karma.

Aquilante says, 'anyway if is only a problem on fighting system that's ok'

Scream raises his hand.

Aquilante says, 'if not i think damroll and hitroll bonus should be looked in'

Fuego rips screams arm off... my turn first

Scream chuckles politely.

Sandra says, 'It's the fight system, sort of. Like I said, Ea knows better =P'

Sandra points at Scream.

Aquilante nods his agreement with Sandra.

Fuego goes EEK! at Sandra in distress - isn't Sandra an awful person for teasing?

Scream says, 'can we remove the steal skill?'

Sandra says, 'why?'

Kosminski laughs with amusement.

Scream says, 'its a very bad skill'

Aquilante giggles.

Scream says, 'I think its a reason for no pkill'

Sandra says, 'why?'

Ganymede says, 'steal is useless.'

Scream says, 'we dont need it anyway'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'thats mean! first you throw me into a damn salem well and make me lose all my stuff, and now you pick scream first!'

Scream says, 'it only causes problems'

Kritter looks up into the sky and ponders.

Milamber cackles gleefully at Fuego - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Sandra says to Fuego, 'ack, missed you raising your hand, sorry =( You're next'

Fuego says, 'i like steal'

Ganymede says, 'with pkok steal became almost completely obsolete. You can't get things off the ground, or almost never'

Sandra says, 'well, I think I'll go with the 'ask ea later' answer on steal'

Scream says, 'people dont fight cause they dont wanna lose equ'

Cancer says, 'i lovvveee steal'

Scream says, 'but you dont se anyone pkilling anymore nowdays'

Fuego says, 'yeah steal rules :P'

Aquilante says to Scream, 'is not that the reason'

Kosminski says, 'what do you mean?'

Fuego says to Scream, 'i asked a question about why people dont fight'

Scream says, 'so hard to steal when the only AA people are good friends with each other'

Kosminski says, 'been jumped like 3 times today already'

Cancer grins evilly at Fuego.. wonder what he's thinking...

Fuego says, 'wanna know what the general answer was?'

Fuego says, 'they dont want to lose the xp'

Scream says, 'what dont tell me xp'

Fuego says, 'which is why i think that there should be no xp loss for pk'

Kosminski says to Scream, 'make a lvl 40 pker the 50s come outathe woods for the infos'

Scream says, 'xp is so easy to get'

Kosminski snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'I think there needs to be a lot more uses for skills in areas, but it's often hard to think of good "useful" things when you have everything else in an area to do.. but suggestions for things to add are always welcome'

Milamber says, 'all reason is lower damage done by players, mobs by 4,5 or 10 and everyone will be happier. Fights will be not about luck, but about what ya know, how good are ya'

Fuego says to Scream, 'talk to the idiotic people that need their xp'

Milamber sticks his tongue out at everyone! =P

Kritter chuckles politely.

Fuego says to Scream, 'to tell you the truth, i have a level 40 cause mage that i stopped pkilling with for a while because of the xp loss'

Scream says, 'once you hit 50 xp is crap'

Fuego says, 'XPing is sooo boring'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Scream.

SkullKrusher says, 'try 50 with charmies'

Cancer nods his agreement with Scream.

SkullKrusher ponders his own existence - better keep an eye on him.

Scream says, 'if your 40 your stupid to pkill a 50 anyway'

Cancer nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'so im stupid'

Kosminski says to Scream, 'why stuipd?'

Kritter says, 'me to then'

Kosminski says, 'maybe some people like the challenge'

Scream says, 'or some big ego person'

Kritter chuckles politely.

Fuego says to Scream, 'go sit in the corner :P'

Kosminski says, 'anyone else remember No ?'

Sandra says, 'xp loss in pk these days is a joke. 375k? at 50 that's 4 mobs'

Kritter licks Fuego.

Ganymede nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Cancer snickers at Scream nastily.

Scream says, 'pkill is hard enough at 50 and what makes you soooo good that you need a challange'

Aquilante says, 'is now a good moment ro raise a question on pkilling clans?'

SkullKrusher says, 'thats not 4 mobs for me'

Ganymede says to Kosminski, 'No is another story though :P'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'sping is boring though'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'nobody has the incentive to do it'

SkullKrusher says, '300k is more like 10 for me :P'

Ganymede says to Kosminski, 'and he never fought under the current system, so the example is a bit dated'

Scream says, '300k is one kill'

SkullKrusher looks up into the sky and ponders.

Scream says, 'little dimmesdale works wonders'

Kosminski says, 'true'

Fuego says, 'and if we're going to lose xp that we dont want to bother re-gaining, why should we pkill?'

Kosminski says, 'but he was 40 vs 50s'

Ganymede says, 'so were Auggie and Kiera'

Ganymede shrugs helplessly.

Scream says, 'well hes a moron for doing thta'

Fuego says, 'i agree that at level 50 xp is useless'

Sandra says, 'anyway, more questions about the hp/ma/mv stuff?'

Fuego says, 'but some people go for 100 mil and stuff'

SkullKrusher says, 'yeah whats going to happen to krakhead belt?'

Scream says, 'no im ignored when I ask my questions Ill bring it up later'

Kosminski says, 'one last question'

Fuego says, 'so i see no reason for a pkill xp loss'

Fuego pokes Sandra in the ribs.

Kosminski says, 'no risk no fun'

Fuego says, 'whats your thoughts on this?'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'it'll probably get changed, but for now I don't know how that will happen'

Kritter gulps nervously.

Fuego says to Kosminski, 'whos going to risk something they dont want to lose to 'test'?'

Sandra says, 'there should always be an xp loss in pk, or multikilling will be more of a problem'

Sandra points at Kosminski.

Kosminski says, 'ok since alot of +hp gear is timed'

Kosminski says, 'when it gets adjusted will it no longer be timed?'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'be more of a problem? i think it would be MUCH less'

Kosminski says, 'what will be the uses of preserve, etc, implications'

Sandra says, 'probably not'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'how could it be less? Oh I'll kill you alot, what do you care? Doesn't cost you anything'

Kosminski says, 'so a timed item cannot be outa spec in regards to hp anymore?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kosminski.

Fuego says to Sandra, 'cause people will only multikill to prove an insult'

Kosminski says, 'can create get something to offset?'

Kosminski is cause just curious tho

Sandra says, 'being timed will give it a reduction, but it won't allow for horendous stats'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'so if there is no reason to do it, then why would anyone bother?'

SkullKrusher says, 'offset?'

Kosminski says, 'ahh offset rent'

Kosminski looks up into the sky and ponders.

SkullKrusher says, 'ah'

Kosminski says, 'how about a timed weapon with awesome special?'

Kosminski throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Kritter chuckles politely.

Aquilante giggles at Kosminski.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra shakes her head.

Fuego screams loudly!

Sandra says, 'a timed weapon would be hilarious'

Fuego says, 'i hate the way q & a's are run'

Kosminski says, 'ok gotta go now hp0e you logging anything i miss : )'

Kosminski returns to being In Character.

SkullKrusher says, 'i still say if your gonna spec hp and dam gear, that hit and AC need specd too'

SkullKrusher says, 'dex is way powerful now'

Kritter chuckles politely.

Aquilante says to SkullKrusher, 'is been looked into'

Fuego says, 'my question from before was why cant we have cause spell sleep be harder to wake up from just like lullaby... but im not talking in another damn q & a again because it is disorganized and it frustratyes me'

SkullKrusher says to Aquilante, 'thank you very much'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'This q&a was specifically for the hp/ma/mv changes. That's what I came here to answer, I answer others the best I can, but I'm not gonna dwell on them. I'd reask your question tonight when there's coding staff here'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'well i thought that the mud wasnt supposed to worry about the changes yet because you guys dont know what you were doing with the changes'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'Ea is working on the dex problem. b ut that's really all I know about it'

Scream says, 'well NCAA vollyball is on'

Scream waves happily.

Scream stands up.

Scream returns to being In Character.

SkullKrusher thanks Sandra heartily.

Sandra says to Fuego, 'well, they seemed to be worrying about it anyway, so I thought I would come and get some things straight'

SkullKrusher says, 'i got a sugestion too'

SkullKrusher says, 'er idea maybe'

SkullKrusher says, 'nothing to do with hp/dem gear tho'

Cancer nods his agreement with Fuego.

Sandra says, 'I really can't answer coding questions. I don't know the code that well, and I don't know what Ea has planned. Sorry that I can't give you the answers you want'

Sandra nods her agreement with SkullKrusher.

SkullKrusher says, 'what do you think about making dispel illusion targetalbe insted of killing all illusions in a room'

Kritter nods his agreement with SkullKrusher.

Sandra says, 'I think that'd be a good idea to mention to Ea ;)'

SkullKrusher says, 'i put it on idea list'

SkullKrusher shrugs philosophically.

Fuego says to Sandra, 'im not going to blame you for this, but i think it was rather pointless to have a q & a without the A'

Sandra nods her agreement with SkullKrusher.

SkullKrusher says, 'dont know how often that get read'

Ganymede chuckles politely at Fuego's feeble witticism.

Kaige says to SkullKrusher, 'weekly on mondays'

Fuego says, 'it kinda gets rid of the whole q & a part'

SkullKrusher says to Kaige, 'ok thanks'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'when I said I was doing this, I said it was specifically for hp/ma/mv gear. I do have the A for those'

Kritter stands up.

SkullKrusher beams at Kaige delightedly.

Kaige says to Fuego, 'when she started it she said exactly what kind of q's she was going to a'

SkullKrusher says to Kaige, 'i had a idea about doppels that would make them a bit more interesting'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'so then, what exactly is going to happen with the gear and how is it going to balance out?'

Ganymede says, 'I guess that's my q to try to come up with something'

Ganymede ducks to the ground.

SkullKrusher looks at the news board.

Kritter says, 'this was fun'

Kritter waves happily.

Fuego looks at the welcome board.

Sandra says, 'we're working on a system that will hopefully not give us this problem of unbalancing equipment again. specifically hp/ma/mv gear is targeted due to the fact that it is imbalancing. The easiest sollution is to drop the hp/ma/mv'

Kritter kisses Sandra's hand. How continental!

Kritter kisses Kaige's hand. How continental!

SkullKrusher wrinkles his nose distastefully.

Sandra says, 'down to what will be allowed on the items once that change goes into affect. However, it's entirely up to the builder of that item'

Kritter returns to being In Character.

SkullKrusher says, 'some eq could even out with extra rent insted of changing stats'

SkullKrusher shrugs philosophically.

Milamber asks Sandra a question.

It sounded like 'So would ya drop old dam, hit eq from players who have em still?' to you.

Sandra says, 'so, if you're asking 'is the horse shoe going to have 50hp or 10hp?' I can't answer that'

SkullKrusher says, 'liek shoe'

An aura of heavenly light appears above SkullKrusher's head.

Milamber blinks.

Milamber scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Sandra says, 'but if you're asking 'is the horse shoe going to change?' then the answer is definately yes.'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'well what about spec? what is the definition of an item that is in spec?'

Sandra says to Milamber, '"probably". We haven't decided on the hit/dam eq yet'

Milamber nods his agreement with Sandra.

SkullKrusher returns to being In Character.

Fuego says, 'as far as i know, in spec means that it is +5 net stat'

Ganymede says, 'it's more than that, has to do with rent and stuff too'

Fuego says, 'with hit and dam points counting as .5 of a stat point'

Shadae says, 'is old eq then gonna get yanked from everyone?'

Ganymede defends himself from Herne's hunting horn - does he think it would attack him?

Sandra says to Fuego, 'it's alot more complicated than that. Kaige and I have been working with numbers for the past 2 weeks in order to put them all into a system that will allow builders to easily tell when an item is in spec'

Aquilante nods solemnly.

Fuego says to Sandra, 'any options that your "leaning" towards? '

Sandra says to Shadae, 'hit/dam? Right now, we're not sure'

Shadae says to Sandra, 'hp?'

Ganymede says, 'I really don't agree with any retroactive changing of gear. It ought to be allowed to filter out of the game through the normal channels.'

Sandra says to Shadae, 'yes'

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'and that's going so well'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'what do you mean? horns were yanked how long ago? and there aren't many left'

Aquilante giggles.

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'and horseshoes, heh, how long before a lot of people let theirs poof?'

Aquilante says, 'all my charcater but me have them :)'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'we've got the system almost worked out, so yea i'm leaning towards a specific one. But it's not so easy to explain ;) It's a points system'

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'I don't mean quantitiy of items left in the game. I mean hoopla over items left in the game'

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'what's wrong with hoopla? It gets people energized over something, and in recent years energy is the thing most lacking here'

Cancer says, 'well alest the belt slot will not Always be a karken belt on every one =P'

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'it wasn't my choice to pull the horseshoes, that waws rufus' and I'll quote "So we don't end up with more old style equipment than we already have"'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Cancer.

Fuego says to Sandra, 'a points system? is rent involved in the point system? so can there be an out of spec item thats actually in spec because of high rent?'

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'I'd prefer to see positive hoopla =)'

Sandra shakes her head in disagreement with Fuego.

Aquilante says, 'or shoe on feets :)'

Kaige says, 'no'

Cancer nods his agreement with Aquilante.

Sandra says, 'rent gets put on after the points are finished'

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'I don't see where the hoopla over old stuff is negative. And pulling horseshoes is fine if Rufus wants to do it in his area, but changing items people already have, I disagree with'

Fuego says, 'why not? we have out of spec items on the low end that are compromised with a low rent'

Fuego says, 'why not have it on the high end as well?'

Aquilante says, 'i like the idea behind the chnages is the problem of messing up stats on retroactive changes'

SkullKrusher says, 'er?'

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'we're trying to make is to we don't have to do that in the future'

Cancer even more fun with eq sheets

SkullKrusher says, 'i didnt think it was policy to change personal eq?'

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'you don't have to do it at all'

SkullKrusher is completely boggled.

Ganymede chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'but trust me.. there's enough hoopla over whether char a does or doesn't have the "required" eq to go up against char B'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Aquilante says, 'oh and change those bows tha dune and craven have :)'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'i disagree with leaving old gear it... we all whine about how we want balance while some people have a great advantage just because they are old'

Aquilante says, 'be fair to everyone :)'

Aquilante snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'oy if you guys only knew. Hell i can't even play my morts lately because even they get swamped with complaints'

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'I still think that over time, that old stuff filters out and people have to adapt to the new stuff. But that's no reason to force it on everyone immediately.'

Cancer says, 'i thikn the immort should hold a trade of for all the eq for a week frist ... give theplayer items for his or old eq .. then for all those whom did trade in the week them eidt there playerfiles'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Cancer.

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'if I had my way it would be immediately enforced on every item loaded in the game.. '

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Sandra says, 'that's not a bad idea Cancer'

Cancer beams delightedly.

Aquilante says, 'abosultely fair'

Aquilante cheers for Cancer - huzzah!

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'sure is, i've had zaba for a loooong time now, and i dont play him intensly enough to DT'

SkullKrusher says, 'so whats going on?'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'so he could have that gear forever'

Cancer pets himself in full view of everybody!

SkullKrusher says, 'your going to change all the old eq ppl alrady have?'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'if you don't play him, then how is his gear unbalancing?'

Aquilante says, 'some kind of reimursment'

Aquilante says, 'and token as well to make evryone happy :)'

Aquilante giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'cause sometimes i log on and do a small run, or pkill every once in a while'

SkullKrusher says, 'is that right?!@?'

Shadae says, 'just make everyone pkill enabled and we can start looting and junking old eq, that'd be funner'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'do you win every time?'

Aquilante says, 'i'm gonna lose 12 damroll in every charcater of mine after all :)'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'we're considering changing the old hit/dam eq too'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'no, because strength is screwed with'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'i dont think that real fair to old players'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'then I don't see what harm your old gear does'

Sandra says, 'it's not fair to new players the way it is'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'old eq fade anyway'

SkullKrusher says, 'dt overrent perma'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'however if hp items were changed and this char had all his old gear, i would be a 700 hp sniper'

SkullKrusher says, 'its all dies out'

Cancer says, 'ut you will kill the remaning few str mages'

Milamber says, 'I have another problem, i made some stat quests and choose what i did because i knew what eq i would use. Now after we will have no dam,hit,hp i would choose something else. Would it be possible for me to take flag from me and let me'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'and i can bet that i would win 99% of the time when im fighting people that dont have the hp gear i have'

Cancer ducks to the ground.

Kaige says to Sandra, 'how many original blinding wormies still out there?'

Milamber says, 'do it again'

Milamber looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says, 'problem is, I admit that we made a mistake of not changing that gear back then when we changed it in the mud itself.'

Sandra says to Kaige, 'somewhere around 8 in archives'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Sandra.

SkullKrusher says to Kaige, 'a few not many'

SkullKrusher giggles.

Fuego says, 'terrorspawn has one :P'

SkullKrusher says, 'thats not alot at all'

Ganymede says, 'all I know is, I don't abuse old stuff. I have three pieces of old eq that I rely heavily on and I suck enough as it is. Changing the eq I have is only going to make me more useless'

Aquilante says, 'odysseus bows bother me most :)'

Kaige says, 'yeah.. it dies out in a reasonable amount of time,. sorry.. not really'

Sandra says, 'and 7 that I know of on active pfiles'

Fuego says, 'ooh, and chaykin too :P'

Sandra looks up into the sky and ponders.

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'yea that's not counting immorts'

Aquilante says, 'i have to deal with those evry time i fight craven and dune'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'who is to say they wont compensate the eq change with a good code change?'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'a good code change?'

Ganymede chuckles politely.

SkullKrusher says, 'i would trade my horns for coupon thats about it'

SkullKrusher says, 'even then that wrong'

SkullKrusher sulks because Kaige has hurt his feelings.

Fuego peers at Ganymede, looking him up and down.

Milamber peers at himself myopically.

Fuego says, 'whats so hard to believe about that?'

Aquilante says, 'i think actually some kind of token to give up old eq should be given to old players no?'

Milamber says, '5 items i will lose'

Milamber looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ganymede says, 'no one is saying the eq doesn't need to change, it does. In the case of old stuff I think it should be left be. Especially horseshoes, I don't care how careful you are, sooner or later they will poof on you'

Fuego says, 'we have some of the greatest coders on this mud... i dont always agree with the things that they do, but they are fully capable of making things work'

Aquilante says, 'i will lose 6-7 in every chracter...but that's fine'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'so you would benefit from the old gear AND the code change?'

Aquilante sniffs sadly.

Milamber giggles at Aquilante.

Cancer peers at harddriver slowly being eatten away ben the logging of this Q&A *shudder* *giggle*

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'and thats fair how?'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'you're not even talking about a real code change. The old gear is real, you have no idea what the code change would even be, if any'

Aquilante says, 'thats what i get to be good to make eq list :)'

Kaige says, 'but you yourself said it's gonna be lost anyway'

Fuego says, 'i have been told that there will be a code change'

Sandra says, 'old hp/ma/mv gear is going, because yes, there will be a code change to go along with the gear change'

Ganymede says, '"a" code change, but what? How will it benefit me? Until I hear about it and can see that it would balance out the loss of my horns, I will disagree with changing my stuff'

Fuego says, 'maybe finally it will be more important to make a list that benefits the stats more then the gear benefits'

Kaige says, 'which I realize doesn't make it "ok", just pointing it out.'

SkullKrusher says, 'still taking things ppl "have" seems kind of wrong...ppl will freak'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'thats ignorance'

Aquilante says to Sandra, 'very wisely thought!'

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'it will be lost, yes, but not right away. eventually even my stuff will be gone, but I want to enjoy it while I have it'

Fuego says, 'thats ridiculous'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Fuego says, 'you talk of your gear as a pet'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'that's not ignorance, that's "no one has told me what this alleged code change is yet"'

Fuego says, 'do you feed your horse shoe?'

SkullKrusher pets Herne's hunting horn lovingly.

Ganymede says, 'I don't have a shoe :P'

Ganymede says, 'I have these'

Ganymede picks up Herne's hunting horn and shakes it vigorously.

Ganymede picks up Herne's hunting horn and shakes it vigorously.

Ganymede says, 'and this'

Ganymede picks up a silver serrated sword and shakes it vigorously.

Kaige says, 'i understand that from a personal point of view for one character, but I can't limit myself to that thinking while I'm in these shoes.'

Fuego says, 'ok, do you feed and raise it?'

Aquilante says, 'no worn gloves?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Fuego says, 'your gear doesnt have a brain'

Aquilante says, 'no eye of cyclopes?'

Cancer says, '*cheer mebbe the horse shoe will have AC *beam*'

Milamber goes ACK TTTTHHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTT!

Milamber bursts into tears at the sight of the eye of the cyclopes.

SkullKrusher says, 'i got friggen eye'

Sandra giggles at Cancer.

SkullKrusher sulks because Aquilante has hurt his feelings.

Milamber says to SkullKrusher, 'me too'

Milamber chuckles politely.

Aquilante giggles at Cancer.

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Milamber.

Sandra says, 'bah I got 8 old horns'

Sandra nods to herself - she must be getting senile.

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'I'm not thinking just on my own behalf, I think that punishing people who have built their chars around a certain eq set, and then making them do it all over because of mistakes made by eq designers, is wrong'

Milamber says, 'i dt'ed 4 old horns, 2sss yet'

Milamber throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Aquilante says, 'i have 8 alt and eveyone of them has 2 horns eye worn riding gloves'

Sandra's just talking on herself.

Aquilante says, 'let's not talk about hp stuff'

Milamber says to Aquilante, 'Gimme 4 :P'

Sandra says, 'I don't need hp stuff!'

Aquilante laughs with amusement.

Sandra reports: 30000/30000 hp 930/930 mana 900/900 mv.

SkullKrusher says, 'ok let me put this another way...'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'i can take ya :P'

Sandra giggles.

Fuego reports: 104/537 hp 331/331 mana 45/530 mv.

Sandra pets a cute little plastic bow lovingly.

Milamber chuckles politely.

Ganymede says, 'bottom line is, you either play your char a lot, in which case you WILL DT it eventually, or you don't play them, in which case your eq isn't hurting anyone'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'doesnt matter, until you hit that DT it will be unbalanced'

Aquilante says, 'so really i should be here crying..but i think that's fine..as long they will aloow some kind of chnace to not lose stats'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'well look at it this way'

Aquilante says, 'i'm stats hungry!'

Sandra says, 'actually I'd say that the bottom line is that we can't get a correct sense of balance as long as there is a set of eq that makes people more powerful than others'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Sandra.

SkullKrusher says, 'changing stats on eq i have cound in theory mess up my stats and leave me getting new eq anyway.... so maybe you sould tell us WHAT is going to change on each eq so we can fix it'

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'a lot of us here are oldbies who care a lot about balance issues. Most people aren't like us and don't have old stuff'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'can't, coz we don't yet know what will change on each item'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'i have old stuff... i still want to get rid of it'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Sandra.

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'then sell it to me :P'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'im say when the time comes'

SkullKrusher says, 'dont just pop it on us'

SkullKrusher says, 'like usual'

SkullKrusher shudders.

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'so you could have an even greater advantage over the people without it? i think not'

Ganymede laughs with amusement.

Aquilante returns to being In Character.

Ganymede says to Fuego, 'have you ever fought me? I don't have any advantages over anyone'

Sandra says, 'I sprung the hit/dam change because I let the old gear alone. I won't do that this time, since the gear is being changed all over'

SkullKrusher sighs wistfully at the sight of Sandra.

SkullKrusher says, 'thats gonna hurt and ppl are gonna freak'

SkullKrusher comforts Sandra.

Milamber reports: 30001/30001 hp 930/930 mana 900/900 mv

Milamber sticks his tongue out at Sandra. =P

Sandra giggles at Milamber.

Ganymede snickers softly.

SkullKrusher chuckles politely at Milamber's feeble witticism.

Ganymede says, 'wrong colors :P'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Sandra has created a handful of glass grapes!

Sandra eats a handful of glass grapes.

Sandra says, 'wrong amethyst ;)'

SkullKrusher blinks.

Ganymede says to Sandra, 'hungry?'

Sandra has created a garnet ring!

Sandra nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Sandra takes off her mithril wedding ring set with an emerald.

Sandra wears a garnet ring on her left ring finger.

Sandra reports: 30000/30050 hp 930/930 mana 900/900 mv.

Sandra nods to herself - she must be getting senile.

Aquilante giggles.

Ganymede snickers softly.

SkullKrusher giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra takes off her garnet ring.

Sandra eats a garnet ring.

Sandra wears a mithril wedding ring set with an emerald on her left ring finger.

Milamber goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over Ganymede - what a mess!

Milamber nods his agreement with Ganymede.

Milamber giggles.

Ganymede says, 'what we really need back are old amethysts'

Ganymede throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Fuego says to Sandra, 'wanna fix me up a horseshoe?'

Milamber says to Aquilante, 'I will die yo him'

Milamber chuckles politely.

SkullKrusher says, 'doppels should be able to use wands too'

Fuego says, 'cooked till its black'

SkullKrusher pokes Sandra in the ribs.

An aura of heavenly light appears above SkullKrusher's head.

Milamber says, 'At least change eq after tournament :P'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'people are gonna be upset no matter what. but we get the fun job of deciding what's better for the whole, and not just the one. Which is what most people think of'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Sandra.

Shadae disappears into the void.

Shadae has returned from the void.

Fuego says, 'can i ask a question that has nothing to do with anything? its a simple yes or no question'

Ganymede says, 'bah, I'm not just thinking of the one. I honestly do not believe leaving old stuff in the game is that harmful. Certainly much less harmful than leaving it obtainable'

Sandra says, 'sure'

Fuego says, 'do you guys think of PKOK as a success?'

SkullKrusher chuckles politely at Fuego's feeble witticism.

Flint has arrived from the east.

Kaige says to Fuego, 'when players use it, yes'

Sandra says, 'I think that pkok does exactly what the players want it to do. It's certainly nice for us to not have to deal with the complaints'

SkullKrusher giggles.

Fuego says, 'cheaters, i said 1 word :P'

Fuego says, 'im talking about PK as it is... is PKOK a success?'

SkullKrusher says, 'what about making doppels be able to use wands?'

SkullKrusher winces.

Kaige says to Fuego, 'when people use it properly yes.'

SkullKrusher says, 'me and my create mind...'

Fuego says to Kaige, 'your not good at this game :P'

Kaige says to Fuego, 'so?'

Fuego chuckles politely.

Sandra says to Ganymede, 'You are basing it on yourself. YOU would suck without it, YOU would be upset if it ws changed. But what about being able to balance the game accurately? It's difficult to do that when there is still eq out there that prevents it'

Ganymede says, 'my major complaint about pkok is that it's been bad for the "community" aspect of pkill and it's helped make the pk clans a lot less exciting'

Kaige says to Fuego, 'doesn't take being good at something to guage overall player reactions to something'

Kaige sucks at football, but ya know what??

Kaige chuckles politely.

Ganymede says to Sandra, 'you're saying that this one change is going to bring about balance, and I doubt that'

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says, 'no, not a single change'

Sandra says, 'it'll help us down that road tho'

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'not a single change, but a change that will allow us to make others'

Ganymede says, 'and what are the others?'

SkullKrusher says, 'i would also like to see banks avalable in housing too'

Kaige pulls out her skilltrees binder

Flint says, 'ok..solution to balance, put in "moving DT's" for a month and then you won't have to worry 'bout the old eq *giggle*'

Aquilante says, 'all right going to hunt people'

Ganymede chuckles politely.

Ganymede says, 'skilltrees'

Aquilante waves happily.

SkullKrusher says, 'make a STORE would be nice'

Aquilante thanks Sandra heartily.

Aquilante thanks Kaige heartily.

Milamber cackles gleefully at Aquilante - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Sandra giggles at Flint.

Milamber says to Aquilante, 'You going to die, heh'

Aquilante giggles.

Milamber sticks his tongue out at Aquilante. =P

SkullKrusher says, 'frigeen skilltrees is a myth'

SkullKrusher sighs loudly.

Flint nods his agreement with SkullKrusher.

Ganymede says, 'there are a couple of changes I've heard are down the road that I like. There are several I think are terrible ideas.'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'skilltrees began with the installation of the latest fight system, uh 3 years ago(?)'

Kaige says, 'yea, skill trees,... we HAVE been trying to get there, it's just been harder to and instead of just dumping stuff in for the sake of dumping stuff in, we've been trying to put in good changes that will benefit everyone in the long run,'

Fuego says, 'yeah! so its not a myth, its a prophecy to come true in the year 2070! :P'

Ganymede says, 'heh I thought skilltrees started a lot longer than that'

Kaige says, 'no matter how far down any single path we get'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Sandra says, 'well, it probably did'

Sandra giggles.

SkullKrusher chuckles politely at Fuego's feeble witticism.

Flint says, 'need a board of ideas that people send in...(could be anonymous if some people wanted) so we can read other peoples ideas and append to them....'

Sandra has no sense of time.

Ganymede says, 'I remember an LT article by Ptah in like 1995 saying it would be done by year's end'

Kaige looks at Flint and shudders.

SkullKrusher says, 'still i would think banks in housing would be rather easy'

Flint peers at Kaige, looking her up and down.

Flint nods solemnly.

SkullKrusher says, 'to have to wait for skilltrees is a long wait'

Kaige says to Flint, 'sounds great in theory, and we have one you can use for that...(two actually) but we already get slammed for not posting our thoughts on them'

Sandra says, 'I like the idea of shops working for housing, but I think that every once in a while, you should get out of your house and go to the bank =P'

Flint says, 'am ATM machine or something, like furniture hehe'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Ganymede says, 'I think putting in new currencies is a bad idea'

Sandra says, 'don't like my dollars?!'

Ganymede says to Sandra, 'nope :P'

Flint says, 'its a pain to change'

Ganymede says, 'they don't add anything fun to the game, they're just a big fat pain'

Flint says, 'unless all banks can deal with each currency'

Sandra says, 'it's pretty easy! deposit it. hehe'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'agreed maybe make payment to back for having a bank'

Flint says, 'not when your in Tara with 400 dollars on you'

SkullKrusher says, 'er bank'

Kaige says to Flint, 'that's the goal. bug snapper'

Sandra says, 'well, I don't think that the banker in tara should know what dollars are.'

Ganymede says, 'I don't think he should have to :P'

Flint says, 'I don't think there should be dollars!'

Flint grins evilly.

Sandra says, 'on that same note, I don't think the banker in pittsburgh should know what the monitary value of a ceramic pot is either'

Sandra giggles.

Ganymede nods his agreement with Flint.

Kaige says, 'well, probably not, but then we'd have to stop letting people withdraw gold from ind'

Sandra should also note that you CAN withdraw coins from pittsburgh

Ganymede says, 'or, you could just keep gold as the standard everywhere'

Sandra wrinkles her nose distastefully.

Ganymede says, 'let me ask you, what is the point of different currencies?'

Kaige says, 'world depth and interaction'

Flint says, 'yea...but its still a pain, but nice "personality" of pittsburg..just don't expand it'

Kaige says, 'provides a richer and deeper roleplaying atmosphere'

Ganymede says, 'what does world depth mean? realism?'

Kaige says, 'not in the tone you mean it.'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Ganymede says, 'I don't think depth is necessarily the best option in every aspect of a game'

Sandra says, 'we should probably also point out that the currency code isn't finished =P All that stuff the shops in pittsburgh do is all done in acts'

Flint nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'lots and lots of acts'

Sandra says, 'lots'

Flint nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'tons'

Sandra bursts into tears.

Flint says, 'hehe'

Ganymede comforts Sandra.

Flint says, 'but again...a nice "personality" for pittsburg'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'ask Kaige how iwas building that area =P'

SkullKrusher has arrived from the east.

SkullKrusher sits down and rests on a chair.

Sandra swore to never do that again.

Flint says, 'hehe'

Ganymede says, 'dollars are a cute curiosity in one area. but to have different currencies everywhere you go...my god. I can't get my mind around it'

Sandra also swore alot of other things that she can't repeat.

Flint wants to learn how to make his own area to submit.

Kaige says, 'she won't even let me suggest another type of game for that area'

Kaige giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra cringes in terror.

Kaige says to Flint, 'there's now an example area up there'

Flint says, 'up where?!'

Flint says, 'I wanna see it...I wanna make my own'

Kaige says, 'on the web with teh builder app'

Sandra says, 'I keep saying I'm going to make a trans from san fran back to pgh, but i'm afraid'

Flint says, 'oh oh....going there now'

Kaige says, 'it's not documented, but someone was saying they wanted to see what they were getting themselves into by proposing.'

Ganymede says, 'a trans, you mean, a path?'

Flint says, 'yea...San Fran needs another trans.....'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'yeah.. we NEED to do that'

Sandra says, 'have you ever taken the train from pgh to san fran?'

Flint says, 'its a pain to go all the way back to bengal to trans'

Flint says, 'I have'

Kaige keeps getting distracted.

Sandra says, 'well, we wanna make it round trip'

Cancer says, 'i have'

Flint says, 'does the train just disappear?!! *grin*'

Kaige says, 'pretty much'

Sandra says, 'it doesn't disappear! You wake up in the past!'

Flint ponders the expenses of the Pittsburg train station.

Flint says, 'back to the future kinda eh?'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra nods her agreement with Flint.

Flint grins evilly.

Ganymede shrugs helplessly.

Flint says, 'still...should have a balloon ride across country or something, back to pitts'

Flint says, 'balloon ride would be cool...'

Kaige says, 'will probably be a stage coach'

SkullKrusher says, 'yeah make trazing charmies easier'

Sandra says, 'so some day, you will be able to get back from san fran to pitts. Once we get up the nerve'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Ganymede says, 'I think Legend is deep enough as a roleplaying environment as is. People don't need roomacts and currencies for a deep experience, all they need is themselves'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'more like time'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'you can trans them from pitts to san fran!'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'thats the only easy one'

Craven says, 'whoa whats going on'

Kaige says to Craven, 'early q&a specifically about discussion 18 6(?)'

Sandra says to Craven, 'we all knew you would be back soon, so we came to taunt you'

Craven says, 'oh'

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

Kaige giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'shh, don't tell him there's one here'

Sandra points at the discussion board.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Sandra giggles.

SkullKrusher says, 'tranzing charmies needs to be easier'

Craven says, 'ahh'

Craven says, 'interesting'

Kaige pats the discussion board affectionately.

SkullKrusher says, 'its a pain in the ass to take them from tara to indus'

SkullKrusher says, 'anyway'

Craven says, 'so we're takling about hp/dam/hit?'

SkullKrusher says, 'not anymore :P'

An aura of heavenly light appears above SkullKrusher's head.

Craven says, 'wish I'd have known'

Kaige says, 'we were.. somehow we got to transing charmies'

Craven says, 'interesting stuff'

Ganymede says to Sandra, 'btw, when your mobs trans from sherwood they kill bunnies right?'

Sandra says, 'it was an all of a sudden thing'

Kaige says to Craven, 'I'm sure we'll do it all again at 7'

Sandra says to Ganymede, 'no, they don't use that trans'

Craven says, 'dunno if I'll be here at 7 :)'

Ganymede says, 'oh!'

Kaige says, 'which if I stop this log now, maybe I can have this posted by then'

Ganymede looks up into the sky and ponders.

Shadae says, 'he will be counterstriking'

Kaige nods her agreement with Craven.

Shadae snickers at Craven nastily.

Craven chuckles politely at Shadae's feeble witticism.

Kaige says to Craven, 'it's logged at anyrate and will be up later'

Sandra says to Ganymede, 'they use two different ones but not that one'

Kaige says, 'we done with this for an hour?'

Shadae says, 'is there a quick answer on if all the old eq is getting yanked from pfiles?'

Ganymede says, 'heh, sure'

Craven says, 'anyway, my opinion is I don't see the point of removing everything, but I hope it all works out, sooner then later :P'

SkullKrusher says to Shadae, 'yeah expect it'

SkullKrusher shudders.

Flint says, 'what! you aren't gonna take my old eq!!!!'

Sandra says to Shadae, 'all old hp/ma/mv eq will be changed in pfiles. That part I am certain on'

Kaige says, 'yanked no... changed, yes (at least as far as hp/ma/mv goes)'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Flint.

Shadae thanks Sandra heartily.

Craven says, 'like amythests were'

SkullKrusher comforts Flint.

Flint hoards it all.

Craven says, 'well, I should say sancs'

SkullKrusher bursts into tears at the sight of Herne's hunting horn.

Shadae says, 'mmm sancs'

Craven says, 'I miss sanc so bad'

Sandra says, 'expect hit/dam stuff too, but we're not sure yet'

Shadae says, 'just jack the rent'

Kaige says, 'tho we might reserve the right to flambe anyone who goes and gathers up 50 of each item just to make our lives harder.'

Craven says, 'fights are so easy to win these days, pk or mobkill'

Flint says, 'why change the old eq. that people already have??!'

Ganymede sniffs sadly at Herne's hunting horn.

Violence looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Craven says to Flint, 'because its unbalancing'

Craven says, 'and the idea is to balance, not balance new characters only'

SkullKrusher says, 'whatever dex is unbalanced too then :P'

Flint says, 'bah'

Craven says, 'exactly'

Sandra says, 'Ea's working on that'

Craven says, 'one of the main reasons dex is unbalanced is hp'

Flint says, 'they worked to get it...they should keep it'

Craven rolls his eyes, exasperated with Flint.

SkullKrusher says, 'and hit and ac'

Violence chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'new people work just as hard to get the same exact item with different stats'

Violence says, 'I'm an example of the dex monstrocity'

Craven says, 'you can't tell me herne was harder 6 months ago then he is now'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'I don't think it's hitroll. I think it's dex's to_hit which is different'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Sandra.

Craven says, 'thus if you have 100 str/dex you hit well'

Ganymede says to Craven, 'it could mean lots of people having to rearrange everything in their list, which isn't fun, it's just a pain'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'i got a problem with ac really'

Shadae says, 'herne is harder cause you dont have all the dam/hit eq that you used to have'

Craven says, 'but 100 str/con with 40 dex and the same hitroll doesn't'

Craven says, 'who ACTUALLY kills herne?>'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'i cant get -100 ac cause my dex sucks'

Flint says, 'I used to'

Shadae says, 'i used to'

Craven says, 'the bane kills him 95% of the time'

Shadae says, 'bah thats cheating'

SkullKrusher says, 'thats not fair either'

SkullKrusher stomps around.

Ganymede says, 'and besides which having an extra 3 points isn't THAT unbalancing, it doesn't make the difference between winning and losing'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'you can though, it just depends what eq you use. It's possible to get -100 with 20 dex'

Craven says, 'extra 3 points in what?'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'not and be full create'

Sandra says, 'it's not just 3 dam that's the problem, it's the 10 total'

SkullKrusher says, 'sorry iv tried'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'yea you can'

Craven says, 'ac is pretty hard to get'

Craven says, 'carney has 40 dex and is create and for whatever reasons has like -66 after I switched SO much gear just for ac'

Flint says, 'ok..so the old eq., when you change it, what are you going to do to those people that spent fortunes on getting it? reimburse?!!!'

Craven says, 'for awhile he has -30'

Sandra's getting good at doing what people says is impossible.

Sandra giggles.

SkullKrusher says, 'its way easy for a dex person to nab -100 ac then it is for con or str'

Sandra says, 'I made a str mage with all new eq and a 2handed weapon'

Craven says, 'most ac I've ever had was the old craven'

Sandra says, 'that's my latest'

Craven says, 'he had like -112 ac without ac spell'

Shadae gasps in astonishment.

SkullKrusher says, 'thats nuts'

Craven says, 'yea :)'

Flint says, 'ok..so the old eq., when you change it, what are you going to do to those people that spent fortunes on getting it? reimburse?!!!'

Craven says, 'the old me was insane, don't you remember? :)'

Violence laughs at Flint.

Flint rolls his eyes heavenward.

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'i want you to make me a damn eq linst then :P'

Ganymede says, 'well, bye folks'

Violence says, 'not bloody likely I'd bet'

Sandra's going to say that if you spent that much money you're nuts, no matter what ;P

SkullKrusher wiggles his bottom towards Sandra.

Ganymede returns to being In Character.

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'it's fun doing stuff like that. My mage kicks butt too! 99str/mind'

Shadae giggles at Sandra.

Craven says, 'spent that much money on what?'

Violence says, 'old things'

Kaige says, 'eq?'

Sandra says, 'on old gear'

Violence waves Herne's hunting horn.

SkullKrusher says, 'i had a hard enought time getting rudh stats'

Craven says, 'ah'

Craven says, 'and sandra, your mage does not kick butt'

Flint says, 'for certain items people did spend crazy amount....like an old SSS, I got 2 coupons and 200k for it'

Craven says, 'unless your a cheater :P'

Sandra says, 'you have no idea ;)'

Sandra says, 'and you do know i don't cheat'

Craven says, 'carney with 95 str and 99 mind couldn't damage ANYTHING with old gear'

SkullKrusher chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'you saw his damage card'

Sandra says, 'mine's level 40, has been killing level 50 mobs for 3 levels.'

Sandra shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'in 1k rounds I had 1 damcap'

Craven says, '1'

Craven says, 'with old gear'

Sandra says, 'no old gear'

Craven says, 'I know'

Sandra says, 'on mine. I dunno, I do fine'

Craven says, 'my point is you can't be better then me when I have old'

Craven says, 'I have to use flaming swords because if I don't I can't hurt anything'

Craven says, 'I just pulverize every round'

Sandra says, 'I can say I've damcapped more than once =P And I average 2 rips a fight.'

Shadae says, 'with what weapon?'

Craven says, 'apperently my characters are just stupid'

Sandra says, 'kaige has seen him'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'I didn't say you were lying'

Craven says, 'but you've seen my damages'

Craven says, 'it just doesn't make sense'

Craven returns to being In Character.

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

Carney has arrived from the east.

Sandra says, 'I just love doing wild stuff and driving people nuts ;)'

Sandra says, '"How?" Hehe'

Carney says, 'it drives me nuts because I suck'

Violence smirks at Sandra.

Carney says, 'thats with 42 damroll and 14 hitroll without agg'

Carney says, '16 rips in 1073 rounds'

Carney says, '2 damcaps, my bad'

Sandra says, 'hehe I dunno. Mine has 8hitroll blessed, and 29dex'

Carney says, 'I don't know either'

SkullKrusher shrugs philosophically.

Shadae says, 'increase your dr'

Violence says to Carney, 'what weapon do you use?'

Shadae says, 'to 50'

Carney says, '42 damroll'

Carney says, 'I can guarentee her mage doesn't have that much'

Shadae says, 'she might'

Carney says, 'and its hitroll has to be dick'

Carney says, 'since hitroll gear doesn't exist'

Shadae says, 'it is, 8'

Carney says, 'we still have horns and brines for damroll, nothing for hitroll'

Carney says, 'but thats fine, I don't care much'

Sandra says, 'nah. doesn't have 42dam. More like 29'

Sandra looks up into the sky and ponders.

Shadae says, 'gloves...that it'

Sandra says, 'yea, 29 I think'

Shadae blinks.

Carney says, '95 str, 89 mind, 40 dex, 40 con, 40 perc, 43 spirit'

Shadae says, '29 dr and you rip twice a fight?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Carney says, 'I used to have 95 str, 99 mind, 30 dex, 40 con, 40 perc, 43 spirit'

Shadae says to Sandra, 'what weapon?'

Carney says, 'my fighter matrim can't even rip twice a fight'

Shadae says to Sandra, 'old sss?'

Sandra says, 'no old q'

Sandra says, 'er eq'

Carney says, 'he has 53 damroll and like 25 hitroll'

Carney says, 'just makes absolutly no sense'

Carney sits down and rests.

Shadae says, 'my fighter using an old sss rips and dam caps at least once a fight'

Carney says, 'obviously I'm glad your doing well but I'm a bit upset'

Sandra nods her agreement with Carney.

Carney says, 'because I don't understand why'

Violence says, 'the diff between new and old sss isnt that much'

Carney says, 'my fighter sucks'

Shadae says, 'just the dr'

Violence nods his agreement with Sandra.

Matrim says, 'first gen demon claw and I can't hurt anything'

Sandra says, 'I only made the char to prove to myself and anyone that knows it that str doesn't suck as much as people say. It surprised me that it does as well as it does'

Matrim says, '47 damroll, I got rid of a brine'

Shadae says, 'but str has to be teamed with another stat, like mind or con'

Shadae says, 'to stun'

Violence says, 'i dunno the problem i find wiht str is the best weapon are heavy and as a result get few attacks which result in a very wide range of damage'

Matrim says, 'I have 100 strength, 100 con'

Sandra says, 'I figured hey, it's a mage, so ripping maybe on stuns seems right, but I rip on bashed too'

Matrim says, 'I just don't understand it'

Matrim says, 'you must be using a light sword or something, I don't know'

Matrim says, 'maybe thats the problem, only heavy swords blow'

Violence says, 'I've hit 5 of 5 and hit hard then hit 2 of 5 and decimated, its dumb'

Matrim says, 'but I use my makestaff and rarely rip'

Shadae says, 'is it the weapon then?'

Matrim pokes a black-walnut quarterstaff - It's dead, Matrim.

Violence says, 'I want a sword with 18 attacks and max dam 5 :P'

SkullKrusher has arrived from the east.

SkullKrusher sits down and rests on a chair.

Sandra says, 'I'm not gonna tell what weapon I use. I'll let you all explore the different ones =P You'd be surprised tho. I tried 4 different ones before finding one I liked, which happened to be 2handed'

Matrim says, 'I don't know'

SkullKrusher says, 'staff or dex?'

Sandra says, 'so I'm even down a hold slot. Hehe'

Sandra says, 'str'

SkullKrusher says, 'ick'

Matrim says, 'this is just dumb, weapon shouldn't make that much of a difference'

Matrim says, 'strength is strength, they should hit hard regardless of weapon'

Flint shrugs helplessly.

Flint nods solemnly.

Matrim says, 'especially if using a sword'

Shadae says, 'i bet its the fork tongued'

Matrim says, 'I don't know any 2 handed swords, so I don't know'

Matrim says, 'the trident might be 2 handed'

SkullKrusher says, 'its not'

Matrim says, 'then I don't know'

SkullKrusher says, 'least it wasnt'

Violence says, 'the tridetn is i think unlesss you have really high str'

Sandra says, 'there's alot of str weapons out there.'

SkullKrusher says, 'slayer had a trident'

Matrim says, 'a lot of shitty ones'

SkullKrusher says, 'and i loved it'

Sandra says to Matrim, 'apparently not so shitty =P'

Matrim shrugs helplessly.

Shadae giggles.

Matrim says, 'your a builder'

Matrim says, 'you have access to everything'

Flint peers at Sandra, looking her up and down.

Matrim sits down and rests.

Matrim says, 'its hard to be head builder and not know whats out there'

Flint nods his agreement with Matrim.

Sandra says, 'nah it's pretty easy. I still get lost in greece'

Matrim says, 'thats not what I meant'

Violence laughs with amusement.

SkullKrusher giggles.

Violence says, 'for all the bad things people say about croaker i find i love greece'

Sandra says, 'I don't know most of the new eq out there, unless I built it myself'

Violence chuckles politely.

Matrim says, 'if you have to approve every area before it goes in, that means you know whats in it'

Matrim says, 'because you have to make sure they are in spec'

Violence says, 'too bad I cant figutre out to what do with the horn you get from the hind though'

Sandra says, 'i look it its stats, make sure its in spec, then 5 min later couldn't tell you what I looked at'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'you need to make deathstalker and eva worth killn :P'

An aura of heavenly light appears above SkullKrusher's head.

SkullKrusher ducks under Sandra.

Matrim says, 'well there aren't THAT many swords'

Sandra giggles.

SkullKrusher says, 'cause there not!'

Matrim says, 'I mean jesus, I can remember tons of daggers and I'm not a builder'

Shadae says, 'yeah and change deathstalker's short to ds'

Matrim says, 'serpent, 5 dex, 5kg'

Matrim says, 'wormy 5 perc, 5kg'

SkullKrusher says, 'not even xp :P'

Sandra says to Shadae, 'nooooo'

Matrim says, 'baton, 8 dex -5 mind, 5kg'

Shadae wrinkles her nose distastefully.

Matrim says, 'magic bone, 0-5 spirit, 8kg'

Matrim says, 'bolg, 3 perc 2 dex, 8kg'

Matrim says, 'I can even remember rents'

Matrim says, 'its not that hard'

Sandra says, 'I can think of 11 str weapons'

Violence says, 'dont foget this one'

Violence waves a rough dagger.

Matrim says, 'you got rough, katar'

SkullKrusher says, 'or jade handels'

Matrim says, 'the new blinding one'

Matrim says, 'jade handled, athames'

Matrim says, 'jeweled'

SkullKrusher says, 'or sun dagger'

Matrim says, 'sun'

Shadae says, 'tons of daggers'

SkullKrusher nods solemnly.

Matrim says, 'I know'

Shadae says, 'good daggers too'

Violence says, 'try and find that many good staves :P'

Matrim says, 'swords? Oh I could think of 11'

SkullKrusher says, 'if anything there nowhere neer ehough staffs'

Matrim says, 'they wouldn't necessarily be q5'

Matrim says, 'or 5 stats'

Shadae says, 'i think thats where some of the balance issues are'

Matrim says, 'but they would be swords'

Sandra says, 'all q5'

Sandra says, 'staves'

Sandra looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra counts.

SkullKrusher says, 'i have yet to see a one handed staff the rivals heavey brahman'

Violence says, 'I can think of about 6 that are any good and thats it'

Matrim says, 'fine, english longsword, serrated, claw, nuadas, fork tounged, the one in pd, sastram, valkyrie'

SkullKrusher says, 'not even skull :P'

Sandra says, 'hm, I can think of just 7 staves'

Matrim says, 'thats 8'

Sandra says to Matrim, 'ooh you said 3 I forgot, that makes 14'

Matrim snickers softly.

Shadae says, 'that sword in beowulf'

Matrim says, 'weland isn't q5'

Matrim says, 'skyblade though'

Dusk has arrived from the east.

Shadae says, 'that one'

Matrim nods solemnly.

SkullKrusher says, 'it used to be good'

Violence says, 'are sastrams q5?'

Matrim says, 'fregra the answerer'

Matrim snickers softly.

Matrim says, 'no'

Shadae says, 'those used to be good'

Matrim says, 'but I'm assuming it counts because it gusts'

Matrim says, 'and gets 2 attacks and shit'

Shadae says, 'fraegra used to be about the only sword'

Sandra says, 'doh forgot freagra too'

Flint says, 'all I have to say before leaving: DONT change the old eq. that people already have.'

Matrim says, 'it rents for like 12 fucking k, it should count'

Shadae blinks.

Matrim says, 'change it'

SkullKrusher says to Flint, '*comf*'

Matrim says, 'old gear sucks'

Flint rolls his eyes heavenward.

Flint returns to being In Character.

SkullKrusher says to Matrim, 'feel left out?'

SkullKrusher ruffles Matrim's hair playfully.

Sandra says, 'my hubby is here, so I'm going to run away and talk to him some'

Matrim says, 'left out of what?'

SkullKrusher says, 'old eq!'

Shadae hugs Sandra.

Matrim says, 'no'

Matrim says, 'I have 2 hornes, gloves, a 1st gen claw'

Violence smirks.

Sandra says, 'be back in a little while for the regular q&a ;)'

Sandra gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Matrim says, 'I used to have 2 brines, now I have one'

Violence says, 'weee old gear'

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

Matrim says, 'old gear is moronic'

Matrim says, 'unfortunatly its necessary'

Violence nods solemnly.

SkullKrusher says, 'dont worry its gone soon anyhoo'

Shadae jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Matrim!

Matrim says, 'good'

SkullKrusher sniffs sadly at Herne's hunting horn.

Violence holds his head down and mourns Herne's hunting horn.

Shadae says, 'it shoulda been yanked to begin with'

Matrim says, 'agreed'

SkullKrusher shakes his head.

Shadae says, 'it pisses me off...but its the truth'

Shadae says, 'the crazy thing, is that back in the day, when they did gear changes they would never yank em'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Shadae.

Shadae says, 'and it was never a problem'

Violence says, 'it only really got really bad when everyon started wearing a horseshoe'

Shadae says, 'ya'

Shadae says, 'but blinders werent yanked...'

Shadae says, 'those were crazy'

Matrim says, 'your right'

Violence says, 'I wasnt around for the old blinders'

Matrim says, '500 characters didn't have 2 each either'

Shadae says, 'but it balanced itself out, cause the pk community did it'

Shadae says, 'i guess its part of the growing pains or somethin'

Shadae says, 'those were some of the best pk times, when people were junkin each others blinders'

Shadae says, 'freakin hilarious'

Shadae says, 'mainly auggie...hehe'

Violence chuckles politely.

Matrim says, 'i was here that day'

Shadae grins evilly at Matrim.. wonder what she's thinking...

Shadae says, 'i was hidin'

Shadae chuckles politely.

Shadae says, 'i was such a wuss back then.'

Shadae says, 'nothings changed...hehe'

Level 50 Boredom

Violence says to Kaige, 'is it evergoing to be in the plans to make getting xp at lvl 50 fun again?'

Kaige says to Violence, 'was getting xp once you reach elvel 50 ever any fun?'

Kaige says, 'I mean was it gotten for xp sake alone?'

Violence says, 'when the risks were worth the rewards yes'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'ok. i can see that.'

Kaige says, 'I'd love to put in something for level 50s to do, but every time we try, everyone manages to drag along all the level 20 chars along and it ruins the "special" feeling and "exclusive" feelings of it... so I'm not sure that's the way to'

Kaige says to Violence, 'go... I've been thinking more about political type games, but I don't know how that'd go over'

Violence chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Violence, 'or if we even have the critical mass to support something like that'

Violence says, 'well if it'd get people involved and had rewards worth the effort it might do well'

Kaige nods her agreement with Violence.

Kaige says, 'but I wonder if some people would want to put that type of effort into it'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Violence says, 'Part of my annoyance is I can make more xp in a solo xp run at lvl 35 than i can at lvl 50'

Kaige says, 'at least for what I've been thinking.'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Kaige nods her agreement with Violence.

Kaige says, 'which suggests to me that there's cogs off in the machinery.'

Violence says, 'it drives me nuts once i get past 35 the xp i make in a run goes down'

Kaige says, 'and until we can tighten things up so that level 20-35 aren't soloing things intended for groups of level 50s, well.. it's hard to willingly put more of those types in'

Kaige says, 'otherwise the pool of bored level 50s grows even faster'

Kaige says, 'still with no solution to that'

Kaige says, 'does that make sense?'

Violence says, 'well personally i'd be happier if lvl 50 mobs gave about 25-50% more xp than they did, course the lower guys could get xp faster then'

Violence shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says to Violence, 'exactly what I was saying, and your exp would still drop, just at a different rate as you levelled'

Violence nods solemnly.

Violence says, 'my other pet peeve is PD north, its way too easy for the xp rewards'

Violence comforts Kaige.

Kaige says, 'bug ruf about that... have you talked with him about it or at least dropped him a note?'

Violence says, 'no I havent, i tend not to write mud mail and hes not on much when i am'

Kaige says, 'with my luck tho, that'd just mean that many more crises would pop up to be resolved and I'd still get nothing done'

Matrim has returned from the void.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Violence says, 'but I think I will write just to atleast offer my 2 cents wortth'

Kaige smiles at Violence.

Kaige thanks Violence heartily.

Violence says, 'I wonder of the people reaching 100 mill xp and so on lately how much of it is PD xp'

Violence says, 'probably atleast 50% of it'

Kaige says, 'I dunno.''

Violence says, 'thats just it I dont either, i dont like PD so I avoid it usually'

DTs Save Strings

Matrim says, 'dt's save strings now?'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce bounces around.

LadyAce has been wanting that for SO long.

Matrim says, 'I guess'

Matrim says, 'I don't string things so I don't really care'

Matrim chuckles politely.

Matrim says, 'but I suppose its good for the incredible stringers out there'

Matrim says, 'of course if they have 72 strings they are going to manage to his the dt that doesn't save them'

Matrim chuckles politely.

Herbert says, 'DTs keeping strings is cool, I like that'

Matrim chuckles politely.

Ea! says to Herbert, 'it's only some of the dts, unfortunatly.'

Herbert says to Ea!, 'ohhh heheh'

Matrim says, 'I don't think its unfortunately'

Matrim says, 'dt's are there to add a sense of danger'

Herbert nods solemnly.

Matrim says, 'its kinda like xp loss after a death, if you make it 0 there is no risk'

Shadae says, 'dt's rule'

Matrim says, 'Sammael recently hit a dt and lost the coolest bag known to man that ladyace gave me that I could never possibly replace'

Matrim says, 'life goes on, I still favor dt's over no dt's :)'

Shadae says, 'i love the pd area with all the dt's, just too bad they aint real'

LadyAce says, 'I think the danger is still there, but it does encourage people to use coupons in1~stead of hoarding them in their houses'

Matrim says, 'I dunno'

Matrim says, 'I like coupons'

Matrim says, 'but how often do people look at you, honestliy'

Matrim says, 'so I just never string much of anything :)'

LadyAce says, 'less devastating to old chars too'

Matrim says, 'I give all mine away, hehe'

Taffy says, 'yay! DT's saving strings is a good, good change!'

Empty Vials

Kaige says, 'oh and empty vials should correctly have "empty" as keywords too'

Matrim says, 'hehe, spiffy'

Matrim says, 'dune should be happy'

Matrim says, 'i still junk them according to #'

Kaige thinks we finally squished that one for good.

Matrim chuckles to himself at something that strikes him funny but no one else.

LadyAce says to Matrim, 'and making him happy is our #1 job :P'

Matrim says, 'hehe'

Are you sure you want to do that?

Matrim says, 'not that this is a big problem but would be cool if when you tried to junk any container it asked to make sure your sure :P'

Matrim says, 'since so many bags share keywords with other things'

LadyAce says to Matrim, 'that'd end up being a big problem to write cuz it requires a separate connection state'

Matrim says, 'oh well :)'

Matrim says, 'I'll just keep junking my coupons till builders stop putting keywords on bags that happen to coincide with popular junking items'

LadyAce says, 'that's what poke is for'

Matrim says, 'the biggest one is skin, no bag should ever have skin as a keyword...'

Kaige says, 'yeah but having just a simple GET_PERMISSION state would be useful for lots of things then... as long as it just returned whether or not to proceed'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says, 'but connection states are ugly still'

Matrim says, 'then again if your pk you don't have to worry about it cuz your bag is cursed and you can't junk a cursed bag :)'

LadyAce says, 'it seems so...microsofty'

Matrim says, 'hehe, eric clapton, nooo!'

Kaige says, 'yeah seems so ... intrusive...'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'plus, we'd have to decide what you see and don't see, and so forth...'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Matrim says, 'I think we need a flagmob named cravenjr'

Kaige says, 'better decide quick!'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Matrim says, 'cuz that would be cool'

Ea! says, 'And what if you get attacked in the middle, you have to think to hit it...'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Matrim's head.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'it's sort of a different interactive form, instead of 'you type a and your body does a' we end up with 'you type a and your body asks you a question''

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Priority

Shadae says, 'is there a way to tell if your gonna have priority?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Matrim's head.

Matrim says, 'priority is one of those things that will forever not be cool :)'

LadyAce says, 'they don't have to wear the wrong stuff or disrupt their rp so much for a dt'

Shadae says, 'it used to be, rent and always have it'

Matrim says, 'i was all for that'

Shadae says, 'i liked that...'

Shadae snickers at Matrim nastily.

Matrim says, 'since its actually beneficial, or was, to some people NOT to have it, and to some To have it'

Matrim says, 'now that doesn't exist much anymore I don't think, so everyone wants it'

LadyAce says, 'i think getting it by renting is cheesy'

Matrim says, 'I think this way is dumber though'

Matrim shrugs helplessly.

Shadae says, 'cheesy yes, but what is the state now?'

Matrim says, 'now if your stunned you lose it'

LadyAce says, 'it's kinda like the solution to poison being 'go rent out'. It just sounds dorky :P'

Shadae says, 'to not understsan it?'

Matrim says, 'and if your stunned, chances are you can't stun back'

Matrim says, 'thus you lose it permanetly'

Matrim shrugs helplessly.

Shadae says, 'is it a dieroll or somethin?'

Matrim says, 'its a tough issue'

Shadae says, 'i think it should be a dieroll'

LadyAce doesn't know how it is calculated.

Herbert says, 'damn near nead a flag where if you start a PK fight you cant rent till yer dead or other person is dead'

Shadae says, 'something random...guess ill have to bug a coder'

Matrim says, 'its a combination of agg and stun and stuff'

Shadae snickers at Herbert nastily.

Shadae says, 'that'd be nice'

Herbert says, 'would stop a lot of the real lame people who pretype backstabs like rent.1.backstab (target)'

Aim/Shoot in same room

Shadae says, 'when you are in the same room as a mob, aim up on him, it doesnt seem like you do any damage shooting him'

Shadae says, 'that buggy or what?'

Shadae says, 'ohh yeah with a gun'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Ea! says, 'I don't think so.'

LadyAce says, 'first I heard of that...'

Shadae says, 'oh...check it out then...kinda strange'

LadyAce says, 'report it on the bug channel?'

Ganymede says, 'It gives you no damage message when you aim at someone and shoot them if they're in the room with you'

Shadae says, 'i will, thought id ask first'

Kaige says, 'that sounds weird.'

Shadae says, 'just to see if you had to aim from a distance or some crap'

Archaon says, 'whats the first question?'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'so maybe it's a message thing not a damage thing'

Shadae says, 'thanks'

Shadae says, 'it could be, but needs to be examined'

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'maybe, but with my sniper it seems like no damage is done'

Ea! says, 'I'm pretty sure that damage is based on the gun and that aiming is only used for hit chance.'

Shadae says to Ea!, 'thats how i understood it'

Buglotto?

Shadae says, 'next question, is there still that raffle going on with reporting bugs?'

Shadae says, 'where you get coupons?'

LadyAce says, 'yes, it's a regular sort of thing'

Phalcon says, 'yeah, I've gotten quite a few prizes for the BugLotto (R)...'

LadyAce says, 'Chimera does it when Ea and Sandra send him lists of people to be entered in it'

Kaige says, 'actually chim does it when I send them to him.'

Kaige says, 'which is weekly'

Phalcon nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'er, right. used to be ea/sandra, kaige now'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Bug with Quickdraw?

Ganymede says, 'okie on sort of the same note, is the quickdraw bug close to being fixed?'

Ea! says, 'Which one?'

Ganymede says, 'you're holding a bow, you've got a 2handed gun in inv, you type "shoot person" and you get the message, You can't quickdraw a two handed gun.'

Ea! says to Ganymede, 'Have you reported that one on the bug list?'

Ganymede says, 'I told Rufus about it, all he said was That seems weird'

LadyAce says, 'report it on bug channel?'

Ea! says, 'It's best to put things on the bug list. He must have forgotten to.'

LadyAce says, 'if you report it to bug, it goes on the list for sure :)'

LadyAce thanks Ganymede heartily.

Phalcon says, 'Alright!'

Skill Trees and Variety?

Herbert says, 'K i have something kinda irrelevant but im jus curious, will the skill trees create more classes soon? im kinda sick of sniper/mage/hitter... lookin forward to maybe more bardic classes that are actually useful'

LadyAce says to Herbert, 'unfortunately, not soon'

Dun says to Herbert, 'skill trees?!~?!'

Herbert nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Herbert, 'if you're bored of those characters, don't make them :P make more creative ones.'

Matrim says, 'I asked this last week about bards'

Milamber says to Herbert, 'You are fool, heh'

Ea! says, 'We aren't actively working on skill trees.'

Matrim says, 'I was told bards exist and are useful :P'

Herbert says to LadyAce, 'I dont really have anythin moren Herbert, just a silly Dex thing and a hitter'

Matrim says, 'and ladyace...'

Matrim says, 'some of us HAVE made pretty much every concieable class that would be effective at all :)'

Matrim says, 'I think sandra and I fit in that category :P'

LadyAce says to Matrim, 'So?'

Matrim says, 'so then what!'

Herbert says, 'yeah im starting to think im gonna need to make some ineffective ones soon hehehe'

Herbert says, 'PURE BARD! booyah!'

Matrim says, 'at least make a new hometown or somethin!'

Sandra says, 'bards are fun!'

LadyAce says to Matrim, 'RP, quest, explore, solo bigbadmobbies'

Sandra says, 'just look at ramadan =P'

Herbert nods his agreement with Sandra.

Matrim says, 'bards get like 4 skills'

Herbert says to Sandra, 'cept ramadan has told me a hundred times about your family :P'

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Sandra says, 'he likes me!'

Herbert throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Herbert says, 'AND he has typos'

Taffy says, 'I would like more advantages for specialists'

Sandra says, 'it's actually just a plain random thing. I dunno why he does that'

Herbert says, 'a classy bard never has typos'

Sandra says to Herbert, 'put them on the typo channel for me so I can fix 'em then'

Herbert giggles.

Herbert says, 'I put one on but was too tired to do more'

Sandra says, 'after writing all those stories, my eyes go crossed'

Herbert nods solemnly.

Klein Update?

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'This question is for you, I'm not trying to add pressure but I'm just curious about when the klein update is coming'

LadyAce says, 'i forget which part of the update interests you most. i have to finish testing one part of it. the other one is actually a new city rather than a klein update, so it's a bit further away'

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'well building there is my biggest interest'

LadyAce says, 'there'll be a number of building options, but the lehensher doesn't want any truly competing castles in his city'

Ganymede says, 'the lehensherr has a castle?'

Ganymede peers around the room intently.

When will the HP/MA/MV changes be going in?

Milamber says, 'My question is "When probably will changes about hp,mana,mv eq go in?"'

Matrim says, 'when they are done :P'

Milamber grumbles to Matrim.

LadyAce says to Milamber, 'it's a ways off yet'

Matrim says, 'thats what they say'

Matrim shrugs helplessly.

Ea! says to Matrim, 'That's a better answer than anything I've got.'

Matrim says, 'told you :)'

Milamber nods his agreement with Matrim.

Matrim says, 'its fairly high on the prio list I would assume'

Matrim says, 'but its a pretty big overhaul'

Matrim says, 'gonna take a bit'

Shadae says, 'but quicker than skilltrees'

Matrim says, 'skilltrees don't exist'

LadyAce says, 'my proposed timeline is to give at least a week's notice before code & area changes go in, and then wait 2 weeks before items go out of player files'

Matrim says, 'thats why its quicker'

Matrim says, 'do it like you did hit/dam the first time'

Matrim says, 'just wipe it!'

Shadae snorts in disbelief at Matrim's last comment.

Matrim says, 'poof'

Backstab Damage

Dusk says, 'Wondering if the damage will be lowered on backstabs, Dune for instance, last night, backstabs right before the tick, doing 100, then 2 seconds later again, parralyzing and doing 250hp.'

Matrim says, 'hope not!'

Dusk says, 'so 350is done, and i havn't even had a chane to get my weapon out.'

Milamber giggles at Dusk.

Matrim says, 'a backstab is on average like 2 kicks. You can do that once a tick and you might paralyze, I don't find it overpowered *shrug*'

Dusk says, 'seems a bit overpowered.'

Ea! says, 'We haven't made any decisions on backstab yet.'

Matrim says, 'I've seen wfw's do 350'

Ganymede says to Matrim, 'backstab is overpowered'

Matrim says, 'and wfw goes off more then a para and can be done more then once a tick :P'

Herbert says, 'With the reduction of HP backstab is gonna be lethal'

Matrim says, 'I should say stun, not wfw'

Dusk says, 'okay, but i only have 450hp... thats lame.'

Milamber says, 'lower damage'

Matrim says, 'craven has 400 hp and gets wfw'd constantly, I feel your pain :)'

Milamber nods solemnly.

Matrim says, 'he got wfw'd 4 times in one fight by sterling, 3 by malia, the list goes on'

Kosminski says, 'did yo ustill win?'

Matrim says, 'pk is whoever can stun the most 90% of the time'

Matrim says, 'just the way it is'

Dusk says, 'yeah, but on a wfw, you don't do 250hp before they wake up'

Shadae says, 'ayup'

Matrim says, 'yea you can'

Ea! says, 'I don't think we'll want to muck with it much with hp changes coming. I'd rather muck with it afterwards.'

Dusk says, 'i know, i wfw all the time'

Taffy returns to being In Character.

Dusk pats Matrim on the head.

Matrim says, 'easily, ever fought barabas?'

Dusk says, 'you don't pkill as much as i do''

Shadae says, 'even if you couldnt, you get to do it every 2 rounds'

Dusk says, 'yes'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'we might need to muck with it pretty quick tho :P'

Ea! nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Ea! says, 'True.'

Matrim says, 'I died to barabas once because with 550 hp I was losing 50% of my hp in one wfw'

Dusk says, 'quite a few times... and i have been wfw quite a few times, hundreds of times'

Milamber says, 'backstab cant stun ya when ya fail :P'

Matrim says, 'and he wfw'd me 3 times'

Dusk says to Matrim, 'that was prolly when wfw was screwed'

Matrim says, '4 rounds'

Matrim shrugs helplessly.

Dusk says, 'and they were lasting 6-8 rounds'

Matrim says, 'a decimate on average is 50'

Matrim says, 'so thats 200, plus an immolate is about a damcap on stun, so about 300'

Kosminski says, 'nah not 50'

Shadae says, 'mages and snipers are evenly balanced vs each other'

Matrim says, 'con averages 50'

Kosminski says, 'no way'

Dusk says, 'you have no idea what you are talking about'

Matrim says, 'way'

Shadae says, 'id even say mages have the upper hand'

Matrim says, 'your right dusk, I never pk :P'

Dusk says, 'you are lucky if a wfw even lasts 3 rounds'

Milamber cackles gleefully at Fuego - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Kosminski says, 'a con fighter with how muc hdex?'

Matrim says, 'I don't have multiple snipers and multiple mages :P'

Dusk says, 'well i do'

Kastina returns to being In Character.

Dusk pokes Matrim in the ribs.

Matrim snickers softly.

Kosminski says, 'a con low dex fighter hits like 20 average, 40 on headbutts that dont get tumbled'

Matrim says, 'I have 4 level 50 mages and 3 level 50 snipers'

LadyAce giggles at Matrim.

Matrim says, 'all of them pk'd at one point or another'

Kosminski says, 'but half get tumbled by snipers at least'

Matrim says, 'not to mention the countless ones I"ve perma'd'

Dusk snickers softly.

Matrim pokes Dusk in the ribs.

Dusk says, 'i am sure.'

Matrim says, 'con blows without a stun'

Matrim says, 'they rock with a stun'

Matrim says, 'thats the way they are balanced I guess'

Shadae says, 'just yank all the hr and dr eq, that way only true fighters can damcap an rip'

Kosminski says, 'con and dex ya'

Matrim says, 'con hits for like 6 on a non stunned person :P'

Kosminski says, 'cept headbutt sucks its tumbled more than half'

Matrim says, 'then 60 on a headbutt *shudder*'

Shadae says, 'and mages, snipers and fighters would be balanced'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Matrim.

Dusk says, 'well, with a magic sink, you can avoid many stuns... you wanna imp a spell to avoid bs?'

Barabas says, 'stoneskin?'

Matrim says, 'sink was fixed so you can't dodge lots of stuns'

Dusk pokes Barabas in the ribs.

Kaige giggles at Barabas.

Hephaistos says, 'bleah snipers and mages'

Barabas says, 'heh.. ok stoneskin kinda sucks, but its good if you can limit your sniper's movement'

McDonald says, 'what do you mean hit like 6'

Matrim says, 'if you have a high enough mind you consistantly sink stuns, you have a high enough mind you shouldn't be wfw'd constantly anyway'

Hephaistos says, 'is everything always snipers and mages? god'

Matrim says, 'want me to change the subject? :P'

Matrim says, 'augment is overpowered, lets maim dusk and all other poulticers and make it 80 min to poultice :)'

Ganymede yawns.

Matrim says, '80 spirit minimum'

Dusk says, 'hell if i care....'

Matrim says, 'there are millions of things to discuss!!!!'

Hephaistos says, 'well im sick of snipers doing this that they overpowered underpowerd then mages this that.. pure fighters are underpowered and nobody cares! =p'

Matrim throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Shadae says, 'i included fighters...'

Matrim says, 'nobody cares because nobody bothers to make them anymore'

Hephaistos says, 'thats my point!'

Matrim says, 'they've been in the shitter for so long few remain'

Sandra sniffs sadly.

Shadae says, 'yanking all hr dr would benefit fighters'

LadyAce says, 'ok, so, shush a second :P'

Sandra has an 80 spir battle druid.

Kae says, 'maybe they might be less underpowered when mages no more have heaps of hp gear'

Hephaistos says, 'nobody makes fighters anymore.. why.. because snipers and mages do a hella lot better'

Kaige made one!

Barabas says, 'actually I think it'd be cool to really cutback on passive defenses'

Matrim nods his agreement with Barabas.

Do we know exact changes yet?

Yuri says, 'what changes are being done to the black horseshoe, if any?'

Dusk says, 'with the advent of loss of hp eq, i lose 100hp... dropping me to 350, and you telling me if that 350hp of damage is okay....'

Hephaistos says, 'oh great another 'sniper' question =p'

LadyAce says, 'I'm not sure what Rufus is doing, you'd have to ask him that'

Matrim says, 'I liked that one idea of making ac level/gear based without dex...but anyway'

Dusk screams loudly!

Yuri says, 'i did... he said nothing until he gets time'

Dusk says, 'morons'

Sandra says, 'LA said what I'da said'

Yuri says, 'but there's no plan for it or anything?'

LadyAce says to Yuri, 'it's his item, up to him what happens to it'

Kaige says, 'not a finalized one, no.'

Hephaistos rather they just yank the damn shoe.

Yuri says, 'is it part of an hp gear tone down?'

Sandra says, 'either way hp/ma/mv eq is getting changed'

LadyAce says, 'he made his own decision about the gear'

Hephaistos is sick of ppl without preserve with it.. and is sick of ppl whining about it

Dusk says to Sandra, 'gotta lower some damage then'

Shadae says, 'will that effect the cheetah leggings as well?'

LadyAce says, 'it wasn't a part of the broader discussion'

Milamber nods his agreement with Dusk.

Ea! says, 'Okay, look. We haven't even put in the changes yet -- we're still working on them. We can't tell you how everything is going to work yet.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Shadae.

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

McDonald yells, 'order in the court!'

Shadae thanks Sandra heartily.

Dusk yells, 'never!'

Matrim cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

LadyAce says, 'any +hp gear change will involve evaluating all eq. we haven't chosen how things will change or when'

Matrim says, 'if you want an idea of what is likely, look at how damroll and hitroll was handled'

Will eq be Yanked?

Yuri says, 'will the "old" eq be yanked? or will there just be something else for ppl to hoard and sell for loads of cash?'

Matrim says, 'it'll probably be similiar'

Shadae says, 'can we let dusk decide how the change will be made?'

Matrim laughs at Shadae.

Kaige says to Matrim, 'and hope for something better'

Matrim grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

LadyAce says, 'all gear, old and new, will be changed.'

Dusk says, 'if i didn't have hp eq, i would die to certain snipers pretty damn often, before i can get an attack in, and everyone is okay with this?'

Matrim says to Kaige, 'hope the system is ready to handle it'

LadyAce says, 'hoarding will do no good'

Matrim says to Kaige, 'the fight system wasn't ready for the hit/dam changes, still isn't'

Matrim says, 'they haven't decided how its imp'd yet'

Dusk says, 'whoring always does good!'

Milamber nods his agreement with Dusk.

Yuri says to LadyAce, 'why change it all when it comes to hp gear? but not when it came to hit dam gear?'

Ea! says to Dusk, 'Well, but you don't know what other changes will go in with it. Wait until it is and evaluate it then.'

Matrim says, 'for all you know the damcap will be lowered to 50'

Matrim says, 'and a decimate will be 25 :P'

Dusk pats Matrim on the head.

Matrim says, 'maybe we could "hit" people again :P'

Ea! says to Matrim, 'But we wouldn't have known that without removing the eq.'

Kaige says to Yuri, 'because we're trying to prevent messes like that from happening again if we can at all help it'

Matrim says to Ea!, 'uh...'

LadyAce says to Yuri, 'that one is sandra's call, not mine'

Milamber says, 'i wanna damcap be 33 :P'

Matrim says to Ea!, 'I think about 90% of everyone thought it wasn't going to work when they heard about it'

Hephaistos nods his agreement with Matrim.

Matrim says to Ea!, 'for multiple reasons...the mobs we fight are based on the assumption of things when they were built'

Sandra says, 'what's my call?'

Sandra says, 'sorry wasn't paying attention again :)'

Matrim says, 'like we will have a certain "average" hit and damroll'

Ea! says to Matrim, 'Well, but that's different from know what needs to change to make it work.'

Matrim says, 'if you just drop the average by half, which you basicly did, without changing anything else, that screws up the balance'

Sandra says, 'um, what kaige said'

Sandra giggles.

Matrim says, 'if pirates in pd for example were built with the intention of 4 fighters ripping the hell out of it but now they just obliterate....could be bad :)'

Hephaistos rolls his eyes heavenward.

Yuri says, 'PD pirates are hitting much harder then before'

Sandra says, 'good =P'

Yuri says, 'hehe'

Matrim says, 'I was just making an example'

Kae giggles.

Ea! says to Matrim, 'Well, the main thing that comes to mind is that if you make +damroll eq rare, those people with naturally high str would fare better -- str fighters. But they didn't, dex fighters did.'

Yuri says, 'aaaaa was losing 500 hp on one pirates last night... with a guache'

Hephaistos giggles at Kaige.

Matrim says to Ea!, 'I understand the reasoning'

Matrim says to Ea!, 'but it reminds me of this idea ot putting in "parts" of trees at different stages and having things not quite work for awhile'

Matrim says, 'you took out hit/dam, fine'

Matrim says, 'but that was just part of the overall problem'

Herbert smiles happily.

Kosminski says, 'dex is just in too many formulas - period'

Matrim says, 'so it causes other problems'

Herbert whispers quietly to LadyAce.

Kosminski says, 'tumble doge parry hit, ac, flee'

Matrim says, 'its like dominos'

Kosminski says, 'kick backstab all the good skills'

Matrim shrugs in response to Kosminski's words.

Matrim says, 'I'd rather have headbutt then kick myself, but if you say so :)'

Kosminski says, 'ya right'

Ea! says to Matrim, 'Right -- we know that, but figuring out *which* problems it'll cause without pulling them is hard to know. That's why even small balance changes upset the balance for months or years after they're made.'

McDonald says, 'headbutt sucks'

Kosminski says, 'i watch you fight you backstab and blind arrows and kick'

Matrim says, 'kick?'

Kosminski says, 'don't sya one thing then do another'

Cancer disappears into the void.

Matrim says, 'craven kicks once a fight IF he's lucky'

Kosminski says, 'mostly bs and blind arrows'

Matrim says, 'I rarely kick anyone'

McDonald says, 'usually the mob wakes back up and gets a round of hits in'

Dusk says, 'i have fought dune 6 times this week, I win if he doesn't get a bs parralyze, he wins if he does... everytime!'

Matrim says to Ea!, 'don't feel like I'm ripping you and saying your a moron'

Kosminski says, 'paras have always been too long'

Matrim says to Ea!, 'I don't feel that way at all'

Kosminski says, 'makes pk luck based'

Dusk nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Matrim says to Ea!, 'I just feel you rushed things and made a mistake, not you in, but the imms in general'

Kosminski says, 'not sure why para warcries are capped at 2 rounds tho'

RogueMoon says, 'which would hurt more, a dagger in your spine or someone screaming at you?'

Yuri says, 'i think a sword hacking at your arm would hurt'

Dusk says, 'depends on what the screaming person ate recently'

Yuri says, 'more then a dagger'

Matrim says, 'define pain'

Matrim shrugs helplessly.

Ganymede says, 'I think a shotgun would hurt more than any of those things'

Hephaistos says, 'if your not wearing any face gear and wearing armor the warcry would be painful =p'

Dusk says, 'pbth, i have killed at least 25 people over the past 2 weeks, and the only people i have died to is backstabbing snipers.... goddamn parralyzes last toooo loooong.'

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'ssssh'

Dusk stomps around.

Matrim says, 'maybe your overpowered dusk'

Twohanded Bug?

Akai_Hayate says, 'how come if someone needs 40 str to wield something two handed, and has two held items, and you weaken them, they dont drop nothin'

Ea! says to Akai_Hayate, 'Sounds like a bug. Did you report it with bug?'

Akai_Hayate says, 'nah...'

LadyAce says to Akai_Hayate, 'report it?'

Will we get to see skill ability?

McDonald says, 'i asked last week, but didnt meant to be drawn into a debate about it, i asked wasnt it in the plans to be able to see how good one was at a skill'

McDonald says, 'so i was asking, wasnt that planned, was it removed from plans?'

Kaige says to McDonald, 'we'd have to be tracking it first and we' aren't currently yet'

Ea! says, 'Well, your ability with skills is based on your stats, primarily.'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'I don't remember that being in the plans exactly'

McDonald nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'We don't have skill levels yet, and we don't track them based on how often you use them. When we do, we'll worry about that...'

LadyAce says, 'i remember the tracking bit but not the displaying'

Kosminski says, 'yuk macro mud'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

McDonald says, 'oh thought it went along with practiceing to improve skills'

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'I'd need to look through my docs on that stuff.'

Kaige says, 'it'd be the equivalent of cast levels... you'd have to know them'

McDonald says, 'ok, just wanted to clarify'

LadyAce says, 'I personally don't like the idea of giving frequency of use that much power'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Kosminski nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kosminski says, 'UO all over'

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'agreed'

Ea! says to Kosminski, 'actually, we had some good ways to avoid making macros do anything.'

McDonald says, 'i dont agree on practice to make better'

Kosminski says, 'so did origin'

Kosminski shrugs philosophically.

RogueMoon raises his hand.

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'your turn to ask a question'

Ea! says, 'but that's all under trees, and that's on hold.'

McDonald says, 'should be based on stats, but eventually i think it would be good to see a generic ability rating on skills'

McDonald nods solemnly.

Are skills being looked at too?

Kosminski says, 'we touched on this b4, the fight sys to balance needs to have both components balanced - the fighting sys i.e. hp, dam, hit and how much damage you give/tak plus the skills need to balance, ie backstab, spells, kick, elbow and what'

Kosminski says, 'so question is, are skills be looked at too - it wont work unless you balance both'

Akai_Hayate says, 'noooooooo leave my precious backstab alone'

Herbert says, 'say I think practicing something should allow for the next skill in chain to be used and if both skills are not used regularly you cannot progress through the chain...'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'we know how complex balance is, trust me :) we're looking at a wide variety of factors'

Kosminski says, 'fix the backstab BUG'

Herbert shrugs helplessly.

Matrim says, 'in reality balance wise only fight related skills need to be "balanced"'

Kosminski says, 'ya what matrim said : )'

Matrim says, 'if 14 general purpose skills use dex and only 11 con, who cares :P'

Kosminski nods solemnly.

Kosminski says, 'for example, kick does 45 damage elbow does 13'

Matrim says, 'I disagree with that'

Matrim says, 'kick damage that is'

Kosminski says, 'and elbow has way more saves'

Shadae says, 'elbow has a bonus, kick doesnt'

Kosminski says, 'ya kick might be less by a bit'

Matrim says, 'I was being kicked for 22-34 by a dex person the other day'

Kosminski says, 'ya right you ever use lebow?'

Matrim says, 'multiple times'

LadyAce says, 'Ok, now it's RogueMoon's turn to ask a question.'

Matrim says, 'but elbow does suck'

Kosminski says, 'mine didnt get answered'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'we know how complex balance is, trust me :) we're looking at a wide variety of factors'

LadyAce says, 'was my answer.'

Kosminski says, 'i wanted to heer Ea! say yes or no'

Ea! says to Kosminski, 'Yes, we'll re-evaulate the balance of skills.'

Kosminski says, 'but ok good enough'

Matrim says, 'balance is evil....look at reality, its not even balanced and its been here for what, like 4.5 billion years? :P'

Kosminski nods solemnly.

Kosminski thanks Ea! heartily.

Ea! says, 'We are doing that.'

Ea! says, 'We'll continue to do that.'

Ea! says, 'Unfortunatly, some of the tricky stuff right now requires unraveling stuff pretty deep in the fight system.'

Ganymede says, 'reality for the most part is perfectly balanced, and when it isn't it rights itself one way or another'

Character Pages

RogueMoon says, '1, If I do a full character description for the LegendMUD page, will I need to link it or can I do it right on the page, and is it like the LT where you guys give out a prize of some sort?'

Kaige says, 'linked and I don't know if PR is still doing it as a contest.'

Yuri says, 'whats the addy for that again?'

LadyAce says to RogueMoon, 'character pages don't have a prize associated with them, no'

Yuri lost the note.

RogueMoon nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'That was Particleman's thing when he was active.'

LadyAce says, 'and we link them in, get a free page from somewhere'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'Natalia took over for PMan, but couldn't get anyone interested in a contest.'

RogueMoon nods solemnly.

LT Prizes?

RogueMoon says, 'and what are the prizes given out for LT submissions?'

LadyAce says to RogueMoon, 'depending on the item, sometimes a token and sometimes a coupon'

RogueMoon nods solemnly.

Herbert says, 'shoju never got no token...'

Herbert giggles.

Elbow Skill

Akai_Hayate says, 'what is landing elbow based on.'

LadyAce says, 'I can't tell you the formula for elbow'

Kosminski says to Akai_Hayate, 'luck'

Akai_Hayate flops about helplessly.

Kosminski says, 'first it checks str v str'

Dusk says, 'can you tell formula for magic sink?'

Kosminski says, 'then does a dex dodge check near as i can tell'

Matrim says, 'they don't tell formulas :P'

Akai_Hayate says, 'damn con str dex guy never ever lands elbow, it must be mind or spirit'

Kosminski says, 'elbow should emphasize should be str v str ONLY and same damage as kick rmove the worthless disoreint'

Kosminski says, 'elbow used to rock'

Kosminski says, 'then got nerfed'

Kosminski says, 'now sucks'

Ea! says, 'We're not looking into removing effects of skills and make them more like each other. We're more likely to create a new effect.'

Kosminski says to Ea!, 'thats not balance'

Kosminski says, 'they dont have to be the same, but they have to have scimilar DAMage and saves'

Kaige says to Kosminski, 'it's not as boring to play either'

Kosminski says, 'similar even'

Ea! says to Kosminski, 'Sure -- if we wanted to go for pure balance, everything would do 5 points of damage. But that's not fun.'

Matrim says, 'if the 3 fight stats had the same skills with different names, it'd be balanced but boring'

Sandra says, 'making everything to the same as another stat's skill isn't balance. That's dex mud with different names'

Kaige says, 'I mean we COULD do rock scissors paper with different names, but bleah'

Kosminski says, 'Boring is HAVEING to have dex and HAVEING to kick'

Kosminski says, 'if elbow did same stuff i could use either'

Kosminski says, 'but this way one will always be better'

Kosminski says, 'so i have to use the better one'

Ganymede says, 'what was the term Rufus used? A more complex version of rock paper scissors'

Ganymede chuckles politely.

Kaige nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Kosminski says, 'he was wrong'

Matrim says, 'if elbow did the same damage as kick it wouldn't disorient'

Dusk says, 'well, if dex is what is good.... and everyone is dex... the fights come down to who can be more creative... and use tricks...'

Kosminski says, 'its about setting your stats and figuring out your opponents to knwo what skill to use'

Dusk says, 'i rarely win a fight because of luck...'

Sandra says, 'if elbow behaved like kick, it'd be kick, not elbow'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Dusk.

RogueMoon says, 'I think you should only be able to elbow if the mob is knocked down.'

Kosminski says to Sandra, 'no, its be str v str'

Ea! says, 'Maybe you should use elbow only against people without metal helmets. Eq. plays a part in elbow.'

Ganymede says, 'I don't think people have a problem with the fact that skills aren't equal between fight classes. I think they have a problem with the huge advantages that some have over others'

NonHuman Descs?

Akai_Hayate says, 'why cant we get non-human descs? :P'

LadyAce says, 'and you can't get nonhuman descs because this mud's designed around a certain set of rules, i.e. history, human bodies wearing clothing and having legs and arms and such'

LadyAce says, 'your characters are people :P'

Matrim says, 'I agree with that but at the same time we're legends'

Akai_Hayate says, 'how come some people can get fey?'

Matrim says, 'so I think it should be changed to humonoid :P'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with Matrim.

Herbert says, 'catchin PR in a good mood is how you get fey'

Herbert throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Ganymede says, 'we aren't legends, the legends are the things in the areas :P'

Akai_Hayate says, 'yeah, there is a chinese legend about a monkey emporer, so why cant i be a monkey? :P'

Matrim says, 'what I mean is legend is the way history was viewed through peoples eyes, right or wrong'

LadyAce says, 'fey means doomed to die, pale, seeming like a fairie.'

LadyAce says, 'nothing nonhuman about fey really.'

Ganymede says, 'Legend in the sense that the game's title uses it, I assume to mean things like sea serpents and sidhe'

Matrim says, 'if they believed that some man made of shadows existed, I see no biggie, but I guess imms do :)'

RogueMoon says, 'to seem like a fairie wouldnt exactly be human either tho'

SAFE and NO_RECALL Rooms?

Kosminski says, 'my question was about the safe room in ww2'

Kosminski says, 'why is it the only non recall one? seems unfair'

Matrim says, 'builder discretion...'

Sandra doesn't like safe rooms. They're probably next on her list.

Akai_Hayate says, 'theres non recall rooms in sl :P'

Shadae cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Akai_Hayate ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'cuz Sandra hasn't made the builder change it? :P'

Kosminski says, 'non recall no fight rooms should be outlawed'

Matrim says, 'safe rooms are like taverns for pkillers, if you take out safe rooms you take out even more of the community invovled in pk'

Kosminski says, 'imo'

Kosminski says, 'ya i agree with matrim there'

Matrim says, 'everyone will hide in houses and rp will exist even less'

Matrim says, 'but whatever'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with Matrim.

Kosminski says, 'safe rooms are the gathering pk places'

Matrim says, 'exactly'

Akai_Hayate says, 'people dont sit in safe rooms as is cause then you cant get ooc'

Akai_Hayate peers around the room intently.

Matrim says, 'I go to the altar to talk to other pkillers'

Kosminski says, 'also sorry to add a question but what about making inn keeps that hit sooo hard immortal'

Herbert nods his agreement with Matrim.

Kosminski says, 'blinding into aengus to win a fight is pure lame and pure luck'

Matrim says, 'I'm fairly "safe" from being jumped but I can discuss things etc.'

Herbert says, 'damn even i go to the altar to talk to pkillers and im not even enabled'

LadyAce says, 'he does have a good point, and I don't think we should remove the safe rooms until we have a way to replace that community angle'

LadyAce isn't sure it's the next thing that really needs changing :)

Kosminski says, 'ww2 - saferoom - should be able to recall -- new topic =P'

Matrim says, 'at least we could yell across clan halls'

Matrim says, 'can't even do that now :)'

LadyAce says, 'but I do think it's sort of artificial. I'd rather have them done with acts -- start fighting and the monks will break it up and put the attacker in the dungeon, etc.'

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'stuff like that is easier to abuse though'

Standards for Descs?

Ganymede says, 'my question is, have the standards for players descs been raised? I have seen a couple of totally human descs get rejected which may not have been at one time'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'any in particular?'

McDonald says, 'i saw a desc of a dead girl walking around'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'I don't think the standards have tightened up recently, but we do have more people doing them these days'

Matrim says, 'I remember one really upset me'

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'well usually the reason is something like, "The emphasis of this sentence is not on the person but on their eyes or their belongings", something along those lines.'

Matrim says, 'some healer'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'I did that one, but it was a mistake.'

Akai_Hayate says to Matrim, 'what was the desc?'

Matrim says, 'something about knitting or cooking maybe?'

Matrim says, 'I really can't remember'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'I've seen a few like that, but there's a difference between "Dark eyes watch you from the corner." and "Dark eyes stare out at you from the face of a killer in the shadows."'

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'the second kind are what I mean, I've seen ones like that get rejected'

Matrim says, 'yea, ones a killer'

Matrim says, 'the corner might be real nice :)'

Ganymede says, 'for example'

Ganymede says, 'Kintare's original desc idea, A spunky girl's pretty gray eyes watch you like a hawk. was rejected'

LadyAce says, 'well, descs are a judgement call'

Matrim says, 'it sounds like an emote'

LadyAce says, 'and pretty darn subjective, despite the number of rules we have to try to judge'

Ganymede says, 'yet I have another char with a VERY similar desc which was accepted'

LadyAce says, 'if you don't like someone's judgement, the best thing to do is appeal it'

LadyAce says, 'we'll discuss the desc as a group and come to some conclusion.'

Ganymede says, 'I've even seen the same desc get two different decisions'

Matrim giggles.

Kosminski sighs loudly.

Matrim says, 'descriptions are like strings really'

LadyAce says, 'that doesn't really surprise me. I may notice something that someone else didn't, or they may think of something I don't.'

Matrim says, 'imms will do some, they won't do others'

Matrim says, 'or some imms will warn you for saying certain words on chat, others won't'

Matrim shrugs helplessly.

Ganymede says, 'just seems like it's been more strict lately is all'

Ganymede shrugs helplessly.

Matrim says, 'personally I'm glad they aren't "static" though sometimes I think they lean a bit to far one way'

Matrim says, 'we have enough mobs and code without that grey area. We need humans at some point who can provide a little grey :)'

Matrim ruffles LadyAce's hair playfully.

LadyAce says, 'there hasn't been an explicit attempt to make things tougher, no'

Matrim says, 'probably some imms did one and got yelled at for it'

Ganymede says, 'well then, hmmmm'

Matrim says, 'so now they see something similar and don't'

Matrim says, 'based on experience they didn't have the first time'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Matrim.

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'well I've seen 2 or 3 cases of pretty anal-seeming desc rejection, by 3 different imms, that's why I asked'

Color Quest?

Kosminski says, '2 quick things - first one - can you make it so we can have colored items IF and only IF the item has the color in its short desc, for example a green sidhe tunic - you buy a tub of green die for 100k and use die tunic - boom green colo'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'maybe you were asking someone who hadn't done one in a while'

Kosminski says, 'a green sidhe tunic'

Kosminski says, 'but buyable aat an NPC'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'there are some quests already available along those lines'

Scream says, 'its called a Add a color coupon'

Make Poultice Skill

Kosminski says, 'second -this will make soem mad'

Kosminski says, 'poultices with 60 spir'

Kosminski says, 'lots of chars doing it for pk, any chance of it being changed?'

Kosminski shrugs philosophically, commiserating with Ganymede.

Scream says, 'I got the responce skill trees'

Ea! says, 'There's always a chance. I don't know that I see too many problems with it currently.'

Kosminski says to Ea!, 'ok same here just wondered'

Ea! says, 'At least it means that there are some pkillers who have some spirit.'

Ea! giggles.

Akai_Hayate says, 'dont change it before i get to try one :P'

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather see more uses for spr than fewer'

Ea! nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kosminski nods solemnly.

Kosminski says to LadyAce, 'there is a quest in game to have color added to gear i am wearing?'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'not to all gear, but to some pieces. it's up to builders to add more, put it on idea channel'

Kosminski says, 'ok fair enough'

Akai_Hayate says, 'hmm'

Scream looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kosminski says, 'ive been here long time always wondered why green tunic are white'

Kosminski chuckles politely.

Rictor says, 'for the past how many years, I dunno, but I've never heard of color gear being added to the game unless its OOC or by coupon, thats kinda weird'

LadyAce says, 'who else has stuff to ask? I lost my list looking at desc stuff if anyone else was asking'

Ganymede says, 'they're not white, they're "U6"'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Ganymede.

Kosminski says, 'ya true'

LadyAce says to Rictor, 'guess ya haven't seen everything :)'

Rictor says, 'I wouldn't agree with adding colored equipment on a full time basis, this place will start to look like the circus that so many other muds look like'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Rictor.

Kaige nods her agreement with Rictor.

Legends of the Past

Kosminski says, 'forgot to ask earlier - LOP question'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Rictor.

Kosminski says, 'any chance of getting Gho, Irony added?'

Kosminski says, 'who else'

Kosminski says, 'Mordrid, Magda, KRetch'

Sandra says, 'they have to apply'

Ganymede says, 'umm, they have to apply?'

Kosminski says, 'ready?'

Kaige says, 'we're in the process of getting the application process started.'

Rictor says to Kosminski, 'Grendels can be forgotten!'

Kosminski goes EEK! at Rictor in distress - isn't Rictor an awful person for teasing?

McDonald says, 'what if they permaed long ago?'

Rictor says, 'Auggie is enough grendel for me, maybe Vial too'

Kosminski says, 'its the player not the char i think needs apply'

Ganymede says, 'Crowe permaed 3 years ago, he went in. But I think the actual player has to apply'

Kosminski says, 'Beam also added i think'

LadyAce says, 'we can't really put chars in without the player wanting it :P'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kosminski says, 'i know a couple of the aforementioned dont htink they knew you had to apply i didnt know'

Kaige says, 'Yeah. as much as Howard with a "is here LINK-DEAD" long description should be there.. we would need his player's wanting it'

Ganymede says to Kosminski, '"areainfo legends"'

Rictor nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'they would've had access to applying for HOL at that point tho'

Sandra says, 'I'd love for Howards player to show up one day'

Kosminski chuckles politely.

Ganymede grumbles.

Why is the HP/MA/MV a good change again?

Scream says, 'Can you tell me why removing and changing everyone equ will benifit more than do harm'

Kosminski faints at the sight of Scream.

Scream says, 'they said to ask again now so I am'

Myrella says, 'cause it makes everyone equal?'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'it's our opinion that the eq is out of balance and must be changed to bring the mud back into balance'

Rictor nods his agreement with Myrella.

Dun says to Rictor, 'but I have that one already :P'

Dun says to Kaige, 'thanks'

Myrella says, 'my poor horseshoe'

Scream says, 'so removing equ is the best way to solve the problem?'

Dun says, 'no more horseshoes?'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'it's part of a package of changes, to code and items.'

Rictor says, 'are they removing it? Or are they just taking off the +'s?'

Myrella says, 'who knows yet other than them :P'

Scream says, 'this is what I see happening'

Matrim says, 'they are changing old gear and new gear alike'

LadyAce says to Dun, 'I don't know what Rufus will do with the shoe.'

Kosminski says, 'removing and modifiing p-files'

Matrim says, 'standards are being changed'

Dun says, 'oh'

Kosminski cringes in terror.

Dun says to LadyAce, 'ill have my string huh?'

Dun peers intently at an ivory horseshoe.

Kosminski nods his agreement with Dun.

Sandra says, 'it's not being removed'

Dun says, 'oh'

Dun says, 'then its dumb'

Kosminski says, 'so your not changing p files?'

Dun says, 'more old eq'

Kosminski is completely boggled.

Rictor says, 'ah okay, well thats good'

Dun says, 'whatever'

LadyAce says, 'it might be made, say, 30 hp instead.'

Sandra says, 'removed is not the same as being changed'

Ea! says, 'We're changing items and we'll be modifying the pfiles to match the items. We haven't decided how the items will be modified yet, and haven't decided on the other changes that will happen at the same time.'

Scream says, 'we are gonna end up back at where we started with all the old equ'

Matrim says, 'you guys are confusing yourselves :)'

Sandra says, 'and it will be changed'

Matrim says, 'they aren't removing anything'

Matrim says, 'its just being changed'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'we'll change the eq.'

Kosminski says to Sandra, 'all p files will be changed yes?'

Scream says, 'why are you changing P-files?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kosminski.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kosminski.

Matrim says, 'change, not remove :P'

Kosminski says, 'ok thats what i though'

Matrim says, 'because old gear unbalances the mud'

Dun says, 'o'

Kaige says to Scream, 'so we don't end up back at where we were with all the old eq'

Kosminski peers intently at a pair of worn riding gloves.

Kosminski says, 'oh wait new'

Matrim says, 'look at hit/dam and the mess we're in with old gear from that'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'to keep from creating old eq. the change will be large enough that old gear will cause problems with rebalancing'

Kosminski stomps on a pair of worn riding gloves - it breaks into a million little pieces.

Kosminski raises his hand.

Ganymede says, 'there are bigger issues that imbalance things than old eq, IMO'

Scream says, 'so old wormys, old cloaks, hoslter belts do the same'

Ganymede shrugs philosophically.

Myrella says, 'will it affect old hit/dam stuff?'

Matrim says, 'what you don't realize scream is that if old gear is changed, then the SYSTEM can be changed to accomodate the new gear appropriately'

Kosminski says, 'old hostlers hehe'

LadyAce says, 'I think old eq is not a big deal if the item changes are minor, but this one will be large'

LadyAce says to Myrella, 'no'

Myrella nods solemnly.

Myrella beams at a pair of worn riding gloves delightedly - such materialism!

Myrella snickers softly.

Dun licks a pair of ivory spiked gauntlets.

Scream says, 'yeah thats the thing you guys a killing charas do you understand that?'

Cumference licks all his new eq =P

Myrella says, 'Hmm my gloves are TF even'

Myrella beams at a pair of worn riding gloves delightedly - such materialism!

Matrim says, 'but if old gear still exists, changing the system means making old gear users even more powerful while bringing new gear users to the level they should be'

Dun cackles gleefully at Cumference - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Kosminski goes EEK! at Myrella in distress - isn't Myrella an awful person for teasing?

Kosminski says, 'real old'

Dun says to Cumference, 'cept that hernes :P'

Scream says, 'so if we get rid of all old what will we get?'

Cumference says, 'all new'

Myrella says, 'my horseshoe is tf too'

Matrim says, 'your blind scream...'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'I think the final word on this is that you don't agree with us, and we can't change your mind by answering your questions five different ways.'

Ea! says to Scream, 'We're going to try to give the characters a chance to adapt before we change pfiles.'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'your turn to ask.'

Dun nods his agreement with Cumference.

Kosminski says, 'oh ok'

Scream says to Matrim, 'im not talking to your ass'

Ganymede returns to being In Character.

Kosminski says, 'IF big if you change p-files AND updae old DAM HIT gear'

Kosminski says, 'can you NOT make old hernes = new hernes'

Sandra says, 'nope'

Kosminski says, 'i would rather have a 5 str item with NO DAM at all than a new one'

Dun brands sandra a shelf stealer!

Rictor nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Rictor says, 'me too actually'

Dun glares icily at Sandra.

Ea! says, 'I'd also point out that if you've been playing here for a few years and you aren't making characters that can adapt to changes like this, you are making those characters knowing that you might need to remake.'

Rictor says, 'but thats not our choice'

Kosminski says, 'new hernes totally are worhtless, at least new brines are good'

Cumference peers at Kosminski, looking him up and down.

Cumference pokes Herne's hunting horn - It's dead, Cumference.

Cumference pokes scraps of vellum from Euclides' "Elements" - It's dead, Cumference.

Cumference says, 'i'd outdamage u any day!'

Myrella says, 'a new horn is the same as a brine :P'

Kosminski says, 'no way'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'that particular decision is a hard one for us to make on a player's behalf. that's why a 2 week grace period is what i'm proposing between the new items installation and any pf change'

Myrella says, 'the same net result'

Kosminski says, '4k rent 5 str -3mind held item no ac?'

Kosminski says, 'new brine is 2500 rent 3 str 4 dam'

Scream says, 'dont really care'

Kosminski says, 'way better and gives AC'

Myrella says, 'right net 5 jut like the horn'

Kosminski says, 'so to mine its a no?'

What about old +Hit and +Dam items?

Rictor says to Sandra, 'so you guys are gonna take out all the old Dam/Hit eq when you go into files to change the HP gear?'

LadyAce says to Rictor, 'i know of no plans to alter hit/dam gear.'

Kosminski says, 'un-decided i think rictor'

Rictor says, 'oh'

Sandra says to Rictor, 'dunno yet'

Rictor says to LadyAce, 'then why is everyone yelling about it?'

LadyAce says, 'I don't recall it coming up.'

LadyAce says to Rictor, 'the changes to hp gear'

Rictor says, 'oh'

Kosminski says, 'old +HP gear is gettign changed in p files'

Kosminski says, 'thats why scream is mad maybe?'

Cumference says, 'yay i have no hp gear :)'

Scream says, 'nahh not only that'

Cumference says, 'oh crap cheetah legz'

Rictor says, 'well, yeah I'm tired of fighting snipers with 600 HP myself actually'

Scream says, 'lots of other things'

Kosminski says, 'i have 120 worth'

Kosminski nonchalantly flips a garnet ring.

Akai_Hayate says, 'if they change stuff in pfiles, and remove all this crap, what would happen with mobs, would they get redone, or would i have a long long fight with a rat?'

Rictor says, 'you guys gonna set it up like maybe +10 HP = one net stat?'

Scream says, '600hps snipers cant heal thats why they have so much hps'

Rictor can't heal either =(

Akai_Hayate cant heal either!

Scream says, 'well that sucks for you'

Cumference says, 'r'nt u half mage?'

Rictor says, 'I'm a cause half mage'

Cumference says, 'i'd rather fight a 600hp sniper than a healwh0re'

LadyAce says, 'I don't know of any plans to change mobs, but if particular ones end up too hard for their benefit, please report them'

McDonald says, 'yes they gonna give the hp gear to the rats, you will have long fight with rat'

Rictor says, 'beta version'

Cumference giggles at McDonald.

Akai_Hayate snickers softly.

Kosminski throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Bug with backstab skill?

Kosminski says, 'ok desc board #18'

Kosminski says, 'priority bug backstab whatever it is'

Kosminski says, 'Ea! look at it?'

LadyAce says, 'did you report it on the bug channel?'

Scream says, 'he posted'

Akai_Hayate says to Kosminski, 'if you get stabbed in the back, are you going to hop up and start swinging some damn sword? :p'

Kosminski says, 'no i put on board and bug everyone'

Myrella says, 'this 'backstab' bug isnt just a backstab thing'

Akai_Hayate says, 'your gonna be like, uh uh, my back, pain.'

Ea! says, 'What Akai said.'

LadyAce says, 'the bug channel is where the bugs belong'

Kosminski says, 'thats crap'

Cumference says to Kosminski, 'hrm that "bugs" been here for ages and i don't think its a bug....'

Ea! says, 'Well, it's an explanation that works.'

Kosminski says, 'it only happens with some prio'

Cumference says, 'same thing with a lo tof other skills.'

Kosminski says, 'and same could be said of any skill'

Ea! says, 'The fact is, we'll probably have to redo how priority works from the ground up at some point.'

Cumference cackles gleefully at Ea! - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Kosminski says, 'its a bug it only happens 1/3 of the time'

Rictor says, 'damn that Sadist and his coding'

Rictor peers around the room intently.

Kosminski cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Ea! says, 'It'll probably be addressed then, and that sort of thing more specificlly addressed so things like that are a "feature" instead of a side-effect.'

Ea! says, 'Let us put them in when we need to.'

McDonald says, 'more on priority'

Kosminski says, 'well 100 hp bs plus a 50 point round is sad, no wonder everyone is dex perc'

Kosminski shuts up

Scream says, 'hes got a good point I might add'

Cumference says, 'not evyone!'

Akai_Hayate wishes he did 100, or 50 :P

Akai_Hayate peers around the room intently.

Akai_Hayate says, 'i do like 60 and 10 ;)'

Cumference says, 'but yeah i think its a little too much when a sniper does that :P'

Akai_Hayate grumbles.

Kosminski comforts Akai_Hayate.

McDonald says, 'some mobs get priority while someone 3 agg, anyway to get it back? they dont want to give it up sometimes'

Rictor nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'However, I can't say that's something I'm looking forward to. It's also something that goes along with "rewriting the board code" and other fairly sizable projects.'

Cumference says, 'but for a 100hp bs, you can't have good hps so i guess its a trade'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with Cumference.

Rictor says to Cumference, 'yes you can, its called HP gear'

Cumference says to Rictor, 'you won't have that much hps if you have a 100hp backstab'

Akai_Hayate says to Rictor, 'fuego has 600some hp, and his backstabs suck :p'

Cumference says, 'unless you're talking old gear'

Cumference says, 'which i don't deal with'

Fuego says, 'my backstabs suck?'

Cumference says, 'but he makes really good points to backup his statement..'

Fuego says, 'wait a sec... do my backstabs really suck? :('

Rictor says to Fuego, 'no, they hurt me a lot'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with Fuego.

Cumference says to Fuego, 'no i think its normal :P'

Akai_Hayate says, 'your 10 hp backstabs'

Cumference throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Akai_Hayate says to Rictor, 'come fight me if you think fuego hurts with backstab :P'

Cumference grins evilly at Akai_Hayate.. wonder what he's thinking...

Rictor says, 'oh I have felt the terrible power of a backstab enough times not to want it ever again'

Akai_Hayate says, 'haha, go fight papercut'

Akai_Hayate laughs with amusement.

Rictor says, 'Aquilante backstabbed me three times today for 100 HP a piece'

Cumference says, 'we did 6 backstab tests, all avged 120'

Cumference says, 'on PC'

Rictor says, 'in a fight that last a grand total of two minutes'

Fuego says, 'you guys keep whining about backstab... but i get backstabbed my self all the time and i dont think its a big deal at all'

Scream says, 'ohhh once a tick solves the whole backstab is what I keep getting which is BS I might add'

Cumference says, 'hrm..maybe if you put in armor! -30% backstab... :P heh'

Cumference nods his agreement with Scream.

Cumference says, 'not that hard to run away and wait/heal.'

Scream nods solemnly.

Fuego says to Scream, 'yeah we should be able to do it every time we flee :P'

Rictor peers at himself myopically.

Akai_Hayate says, 'hahah 70-110 dam once a tick vs, 60 every two rounds for crap mana'

McDonald says, 'maybe awareness should last till they heal back up to 50 percent'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with Fuego.

Cumference says to Fuego, 'rofl'

Rictor says, 'I have -100 armor on any occasion in which I fight'

McDonald shrugs helplessly.

Why not warn us about this change before now?

Scream says, 'how come when changes are gonna be put in, you imms post we are doing this, not how do you feel about this?'

Scream says, 'I would like to see we are thinking about this not we are doing this'

LadyAce says, 'we've been discussing this particular change for so many months.'

Scream says, 'might ease some tention'

LadyAce says, 'many many players have asked us for this change'

Scream says, 'really Ive just seen dune posting remove it'

LadyAce says, 'just because you don't agree doesn't mean we've ignored you'

Kosminski says, 'i want this change'

Scream says, 'well see'

Myrella says, 'Dune whines about anything that he dont like'

Myrella smirks.

Rictor says, 'I think it'll be fun to see all the snipers head for the hills'

Kosminski says, 'birgitte knows the system is messed too'

Scream says, 'I just fear a even more boring mud'

Cumference nods his agreement with Scream.

Ea! says to Scream, 'Maybe, but if it is, we'll adjust.'

Kaige says to Scream, 'could try vanilla stock mud and compare?'

Scream says, 'I would rather see 100hps doing 10 damage a round then 10 hps 1 damage ar ound'

Scream says, 'nahhh I dont play muds but this one'

Kosminski says to Kaige, 'i compiled and ran circle mud it sucked hehe'

Cumference says, 'yah i hate picking up other muds...i give up and come back.'

Scream says, 'I wasted enough time here'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'if you still have one'

Sleep Spell vs Lullaby & Bards

Fuego says, 'i wanna see cause spell sleep be harder to wake from'

Rictor nods his agreement with Fuego.

Rictor says to Fuego, 'that'd be great'

Fuego says, 'it would give us a reason to use our really nifty spells'

Akai_Hayate says, 'didnt they do that change like 2 weeks ago?'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'If we do that, then lullaby becomes less useful.'

Rictor says, 'another way to dominate fighters for me'

Akai_Hayate says, 'or was i dreaming?'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, i think we should save that for lullaby.'

Scream says, 'I wanna see create worth something besides mob killing again'

LadyAce says, 'bards need *something*'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'why? those are two totally different char types'

LadyAce says, 'bards need it way more than mages.'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'that's the point'

Rictor could be a bard after the change!

McDonald says, 'was entrance ever fixed?'

Scream says, 'who plays a bard chara?'

Fuego says, 'so why cant they both have it?'

Akai_Hayate snickers softly.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'if they can do the same things, they're not too different from each other, are they?'

Santina sinks her teeth into Lelldorin's flesh.

LadyAce tickles Fuego.

Rictor nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Fuego says, 'well people who can lullaby usually cant use magic'

McDonald says, 'surgeons play bards'

LadyAce says, 'we're trying to avoid duplications whenever we can.'

Rictor says, 'oh I do have a question!'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Fuego.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'i'm sayin that's the point. making there be a difference'

Scream says, 'dont see them pkilling much and if they do win much'

Fuego looks up into the sky and ponders.

Fuego says, 'cant we think of a better way to make bards stronger?'

Fuego says, 'a person not being able to wake from the sleep is really cool'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'So make a bard.'

Fuego says, 'the way it is now, what idiot wastes a skill lag to cast clumsy?'

Wyvern says, 'i'm working on one!'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'we just coded them a new skill, we're not going to gut a new skill so mages can get even more stuff.'

McDonald says, 'why not make it harder to break entrance that silly'

Rictor says, 'how about we rip off Everquest and make them be able to play a song so anyone in there party has like +5 hitroll!'

McDonald says, 'or has it been changed already'

Wyvern cackles gleefully at Rictor - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Fuego says to Ea!, 'i would make a bard but then what can i do to them when they're sleeping?'

Wyvern says, 'or play a funeral march and everyone has -5hit'

Fuego says, 'i could lullaby them, and then laugh and run away?'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'Fight them. Ask someone else to do something to them? There's tons of things.'

Wyvern says, 'lullaby, steal, run away.'

Akai_Hayate says, 'why dont we make another hometown, like motzart land, and only people from there can do any bard skills'

Wyvern says, 'or lullaby, give him that book and lead him to star chamber.. :P'

Ea! says, 'You can have other skills and have lullaby at the same time.'

LadyAce says to Akai_Hayate, 'mozart land? :P'

Akai_Hayate says, 'cause as is, ill just learn calm and inspire, why the hell make a character just for that? :p'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Fuego grumbles.

Kaige says, 'we've already got two that are under represented now.'

Rictor says, 'where where?'

LadyAce says to Akai_Hayate, 'he wasn't a bard :P but if someone proposed to do his area, that might be interesting.'

Wyvern says, 'or spam lullaby in the swamp and when he sleeps he falls, and you go down whoop him and he can't flee.'

Rictor says to LadyAce, 'theres no where to put Mozarts Germany!'

Akai_Hayate just needed a music person for his example :P

Akai_Hayate flops about helplessly.

Fuego says, 'wait a sec, oow a min then i can argue again'

Rictor says, 'mideval and industrial germany are sorta filled up'

Kaige thinks it was Austria anyway.

Wyvern says, 'see! lullaby is cool :)'

Rictor says, 'bah'

Rictor says, 'close enough!'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Kaige.

Kaige wasn't 1 class short of a music minor for nothing.

Rictor says, 'Austria is really the same thing'

LadyAce says, 'If you really want to propose that area, you should know the difference :P'

McDonald says, 'lullaby sounds kinda silly, shouldnt sing do something'

Akai_Hayate says to Wyvern, 'cept the surgeon you use to lullaby would go down to fight, then get butchered :P'

Rictor wasen't gonna propose that area.

LadyAce says, 'next question will come from Scream. His turn :)'

Rictor leaves east.

Scream says, 'small questions'

Scream says, 'first skill trees, when?'

Wyvern says, 'somebody do Joan of Arc area/quest =P or william wallace quest :P'

McDonald snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'no plan right now'

Ea! says to Scream, 'We're not actively working on it.'

Scream sighs loudly.

Kaige says, 'but we're working on stuff that will enable us to get to them'

Fuego says, 'as i was whining before... i wanna have a use for my clumsy skill'

Fuego says, 'or my idiocy spell'

Fuego says, 'or weaken'

Fuego says, 'nobody uses them in pkill anymore'

Fuego says, 'but they are really neat spells'

Akai_Hayate says to Fuego, 'they dont have skill lag'

Scream says, '2nd since equ whipe gonna happen, are ALL the mobs gonna be changed'

Akai_Hayate says, 'oh wait, yeah they do'

Akai_Hayate peers at herself myopically.

Fuego whaps Akai_Hayate across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Akai_Hayate says, 'but barkskin doesnt :p'

Scream says, 'we have less hit dam hps and mobs the same even more boring task'

McDonald says, 'scream noone said there gonna be an eq wipe'

Scream says, 'you know what I mean'

Akai_Hayate says, 'yeah, they said pwipe'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'that one was already answered. check your backscroll or see the web site when the log is posted.'

LadyAce says to Akai_Hayate, 'pwipe? nah, mudwipe :P'

Scream says, 'can you give me a responce?'

Fuego says, 'honestly... nobody uses a bard, we're giving a wonderful skill to a class not used'

Fuego says, 'its going to waste'

Scream says, 'like yes or no or something'

Kaige says, 'perhaps to get people to use it?!'

Kaige giggles.

Akai_Hayate will make a pure bard pkiller!

Fuego says to Kaige, 'even if we get people to use it, they cant do anything'

Akai_Hayate says to Fuego, 'come level my new guy!'

Fuego says, 'lets say akai was a bard and he lullabies me'

Kaige says, 'I believe the response was, it'll be looked at if necessary.'

Wyvern says to Fuego, 'bleh i'm making a bard right now..'

Scream says, 'ok good enough I guess'

Ea! says, 'I think you're too locked in on the "bard class" thing. Bards aren't classes. Anyone who has the stats and is from the right hometown can get lullaby.'

Kaige smiles at Wyvern.

Ea! says, 'You don't need to play a bard to do that.'

Akai_Hayate says to Wyvern, 'your not making anything, you sit there afk all day :p'

Wyvern says, 'damn praze changes...my bard better be good with the praise stuffs! :P'

McDonald says, 'why not make entrance harder to break, anyone thinking about htat?'

Fuego nods his agreement with McDonald.

Akai_Hayate says, 'hehhe, its hard when that damn leenan does it.'

McDonald says, 'at least make it so it gives some lag when you break out of it'

Fuego says, 'strengthen entrance... something that doesnt take alot of useless stats to get'

McDonald says, 'talking bout players tho'

LadyAce says, 'it's an interesting suggestion, altho entrance doesn't have that high of reqs'

Akai_Hayate says to McDonald, 'just pick on people who dont know how to break entrance :p'

McDonald says, 'you cant cast spells while entranced right? would be good against casters'

LadyAce says, 'but a smallish boost sounds interesting to me. suggest it on the idea channel?'

Fuego says, 'lullaby has a high req, so that means that anyone that can lullaby isnt going to be much of a figter'

Fuego says, 'fighter*'

Akai_Hayate says, 'hehhe im gonna entrance dunes ass next time i fight em'

McDonald nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Yeah, I could see making entrance harder to break out of.'

Fuego grins evilly.

Fuego says, 'so if ya do that can cause mages get sleep spell worth using other then a friendly hello?'

Fuego bats his eyelashes.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'What language would you like your no in? Gosh.'

LadyAce tickles Fuego.

LadyAce says, 'who else has questions?'

Akai_Hayate says to Fuego, 'backstab is, and always will be, the only truly friendly hello we can do'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'turkmenistan please'

LadyAce giggles at Akai_Hayate.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'They probably say 'la.''

Fuego wants to whine more about a useless spell with immense capabilities

Fuego bursts into tears.

Any plans for a new staff for Con fighters?

Scream says, 'new staff any plans for one? Scream says, 'that arkenstone staff is ummm bad Ill just say that'

Kir says to Scream, 'bad as in good or just bad'

Myrella says, 'what kind of staff?'

Scream says, 'no con weapon staff'

LadyAce says, 'I suppose if a new area goes in it might have new items'

LadyAce says, 'i don't like to see us putting in scads of items without new areas to go with them.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'I put in new items and no one finds them'

Kaige sniffs sadly.

Scream says, 'forgot what I was gonna ask'

McDonald says, 'why not bring back oar of charon, and tweak it a bit'

Akai_Hayate says, 'im gonna drop my eq in my hall and go quest searching today! :P'

Myrella says to Kaige, 'are they new new or old items with new abilities?'

LadyAce says, 'maybe when Kae finishes hell, she'll have an oar.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says to Myrella, 'new new'

Myrella says to Kaige, 'Hmmm where are they then? :-)'

Dip Weapons?

McDonald says, 'someone had a good idea the other day on chat, how bout being able to put brew effects on weapons'

LadyAce says, 'brew effects?'

McDonald says, 'like brewed valerian'

McDonald says, 'kinda like dipping your weapon like dipping an arrow'

Myrella says, 'dip your weapon....'

Kaige says, 'like the poisoning skill?'

Scream says, 'dex is gonna go down, str not gonna go anywhere cause , not hit no hps im out of luck'

McDonald says, 'logically it makes sense, similiar to poison skill i guess yes, widen it a bit'

McDonald says, 'expert poisoning i guess'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'we're working on that one right now, actually'

LadyAce says to McDonald, 'the paralysis change you see on the list of changes today is one step in a more interesting and complex set of poisons'

Akai_Hayate says, 'so when they are para'd they can see me re-enter and start to grin!'

McDonald says, 'well just thought it could be very temporary, but dipping weapons would be neat'

Ea! says to McDonald, 'We'd have some problems if the item already have a spell on it...'

Ea! says, 'but mainly I think it's a balance issue.'

More on Advance Notice

Scream says, 'may I make a comment?'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'it depends if your comment violates any laws or rules :P'

Scream says, 'nahh its just a tip'

Scream says, 'when dealing with change and resistance to change'

Scream says, 'from a management standpoint, which is how this mud is run'

LadyAce says, 'How about this tip: no matter how much we discuss a change, someone will always throw a fit that we didn't ask for enough.'

Scream says, 'that proves this'

McDonald nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'we have been discussing this one since the hitroll/damroll change :P'

Myrella says, 'if the mud was perfect Q+A's would be boring :p'

LadyAce says, 'on boards, on channels, in q and as, on Rufus's balance web site....'

Scream says, 'when you make a change you MUST first create a need for the change in the peoples mind or they will not like it at all'

Scream says, 'we get we are doing this change, so naturally people are not gonna like it, like me'

LadyAce says, 'we can't create a need for change in everyone's minds. we do try our best to explain our thinking.'

LadyAce says, 'No, you didn't get a "we are doing this change"'

LadyAce says, 'We got a lot of players saying "change this" and we said "hm, how" and they said ...'

Scream says, 'we are changing peoples player files when did that come up?'

LadyAce says, 'it's gone on for months, this discussion. Probably too long.'

Scream says, 'Ive seen ok horseshoe gone etc'

LadyAce says, 'in q and as, on boards, on channels'

Scream says, 'but first time I see player file changes that pissed me off'

LadyAce says, 'the shoe is *All Rufus*'

LadyAce says, 'player file changes have been part of the discussion from the beginning'

Scream says, 'well any hp gear just used it as example'

Ea! says to Scream, 'Not changing them last time around pissed people off.'

Scream says, 'well its what dune has been whining about'

Ea! says, 'So, we're in a situation where we piss people off either way, right?'

Scream says, 'no pissed dune off'

Ea! says, 'No, there was a *lot* of complaining last time.'

Kaige says, 'far from the only one'

Akai_Hayate says to Scream, 'wtf is the point of changing anything, if people are going to have an old version?'

Scream says, 'I think your gonna piss more people off than not changing pfiles'

LadyAce says, 'Dune is one of many players who has expressed this opinion.'

Scream shrugs helplessly.

Scream says, 'like I said its not a good idea'

Scream says, 'and you shall see what I mean'

Kaige says to Scream, 'at least we don't take the approach that most places do of wiping every 3-6 months to forestall having to make any balance changes'

Scream says, 'I just feel we get ignored to much'

Akai_Hayate says to Sandra, 'make auggie stop calming, and loot and eat old eq? :p'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'I think you've said worse to people you disagree with.'

Ea! says, 'I don't think we ignore players very much -- we may not implement the solutions that they suggest, but that's because we have access to more information. Most of the problems that get fixed are fixed at player suggestion, though.'

Fuego says, 'auggie did that?'

Sandra says to Akai_Hayate, 'heh'

Fuego says, 'hahaha thats awesome!'

Akai_Hayate says, 'no, he should'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'auggie never looted old eq. He had too muchof his own'

Akai_Hayate says to Sandra, 'but morphine did!'

Akai_Hayate says, 'make morphine do it! :P'

Sandra giggles.

Steal Skill

Scream says, 'ohh yeah what about a change to the steal skill like remove it?'

Kir says to Scream, 'why?'

Akai_Hayate snickers softly.

Fuego whaps Scream across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Fuego says to Scream, 'boring :P'

Scream says, 'just think its a bad thing that causes problems'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'create the need in my mind for that change before you just declare it.'

Kir says to Scream, 'lets just stop all the killing.'

Kaige needs to find a good use for that skill in arabia...

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Scream says, 'ok most pkill whining is from stealing and multis come from stealing correct'

Scream says, 'its a childish thing that is not needed here'

Sandra says to Akai_Hayate, 'I could see the complaints already. No thanks'

LadyAce says, 'I haven't seen much pk whining from stealing, no'

Scream says, 'really????'

Scream looks up into the sky and ponders.

Akai_Hayate throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

Scream says, 'ok'

Scream says, 'its another reason people dont pkill I might add'

Sandra says, 'because of steal?'

Akai_Hayate says, 'only people who never pkilled before are worried about looting'

Fuego says, 'its not fear of looting'

Scream says, 'but perhaps that you take away everyones old stuff they wont mind'

Akai_Hayate says, 'or, not very much prior pkill experience :p'

Sandra says, 'well, think of it this way, if we change all the old eq, no one will have to worry about that anymore ;)'

Scream says, 'they say xp but everyone knows thats a bunch of crap once you hit 50'

LadyAce says, 'at any rate, I think we're coming to the end of Q & A. anyone else have a question before I close this one up?'

Fuego says, 'not once did someone say that they feared being looted'

Scream says, 'I would like to see more of I considered your idea but its not likely to happen responces'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'I think you missed the times we said that tonight, then.'

Scream says, 'well when we idea stuff I have never gotten a responce untill it was going, no responce noramlly means nothing'

Ea! says, 'Actually, we generally don't respond to ideas on idea -- but they all get read and considered by at least Kaige and myself.'

Kaige says, 'hmmm... 250+ bugs/ideas/typos a week and if we answered each one with say a minimum each... we'd never catch up. =('

Scream says, 'that many?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Scream.

Ea! says, 'Most weeks there's that many coder ones.'

Kaige says, 'that's not counting the ones put in by the code itself'

Scream says, 'good lord ok never knew had that many'

Ea! says, 'That's also not including the ones we catch, etc.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

PK Xp Loss

Fuego says, 'can we get rid of the xp loss for a PK death?'

Akai_Hayate says to Fuego, 'im still arrogant :P'

Fuego says to Akai_Hayate, 'yeah but you suck at pkill so nobody cares about you'

Akai_Hayate says, 'wow, so many people dont because they suck'

Akai_Hayate nods her agreement with Fuego.

Scream snickers softly.

Akai_Hayate says, 'i do! and i still pkill, look at the board, how many people said they dont because they suck? :p'

Scream says, 'well im gonna take a VERY VERY long break from this mud'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'that one has been discussed a lot, and the general response has been that that would take away some of the thrill and danger of a pk battle'

Akai_Hayate says to LadyAce, 'what about agni's idea?'

Scream says, 'well im gonna go rot in the archives for about 6 months'

LadyAce says, 'he has a lotta ideas. which one :P'

Fuego says, 'so what about the no xp pk death loss thing? :P'

Akai_Hayate says, 'so the winner can lose the xp if he wants'

Fuego says to Scream, 'i would talk you out of it, but im going there soon myself :P'

Fuego snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'I guess I'm not convinced that xp loss is a major barrier to people enjoying the pk feature'

Scream says, 'exactly'

Scream says, 'I dont either'

Scream says, 'but its on the news'

Akai_Hayate says, 'thats what all the non-pkillers say tho :p'

Scream shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'i think it's more that pk isn't everyone's idea of fun :P'

Fuego says to Akai_Hayate, 'we're going to get the pkillers to pkill? :P'

LadyAce says, 'if you want them to understand why it's fun, explain it to them.'

Scream says, 'what chara can I pkill with'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'i have heard SOOOOO many people bitch about the xp loss'

LadyAce says, 'no one ever told me how much fun it was, i would've started far earlier.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Scream says to Sandra, 'sorry I bashed you earlier but what was about 2 years of frustration all at once'

Ea! says, 'More people on that board complained about the attitude of pkillers than complained about the xp loss.'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'I've mostly heard that from people who don't want to xp at all'

Ea! says, 'So why not work to adjust the second?'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'one :P'

Ea! says, 'er, the first.'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'one person said that'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'that's not gonna be good enough. she's afk. send a note.'

Scream says, 'she is'

Scream says, 'crap'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'XPing is boooooring!'

Akai_Hayate says to Ea!, 'if it aint broke dun fix it!'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'who would want to do more of it?'

Scream says, 'Ive been really mad at things she has changed it just had to come out'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'we still think you should have to do it :P'

Akai_Hayate says, 'people use that pkiller attitude exscuse cause they are afraid of trying new things...'

Scream says, 'for some reason I like LadyAce and EA! they like explain things'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'i have a level 40 cause mage that i dont pkill with anymore because of the fear of the xp loss'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'I'm not sure -- there were one or two that were a bit vauge -- "the aggravation of it", which could well be attitude.'

Scream shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'call it your penance for all that pk fun :)'

Fuego says, 'how about we try it and see if it boosts pkill? whats the harm in that? you can call it the pkill month'

Akai_Hayate says to Fuego, 'lets go xp later :p i bet we can kill about 5 mobs before we gotta rest :P'

Fuego reports: 105/537 hp 331/331 mana 47/530 mv.

Fuego sticks his tongue out at Akai_Hayate. =P

Akai_Hayate says, 'okay, 2 mobs'

Do you have to be able to code to build?

Scream says, 'when you guys build a new area do you have to know anything about the code to do it?'

Scream says, 'I got ideas for areas and quests and stuff but I know jack about code, im a chef'

LadyAce says to Scream, 'it helps to understand the game, but you don't have to know C'

Kaige says, 'logic helps, but not particular C coding, no'

Scream says, 'like Ill draw it out and stuff but I dont know how the damn things work'

Kaige says, 'it's very much like a cross between fill in the blank and scripting umm... triggers in clients'

More Testmuds Open?

Fuego says, 'any chance there can be a pkill test month? didnt you notice on test muds it ALLLWAYS ends up in a pk war?'

Fuego says, 'people have nothing to lose!'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'i don't think we're looking just to get more deaths out there, those nutso pk wars are not my idea of what this mud should be'

Fuego says, 'so they enjoy some pkilling fun'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'but thanks for another good reason to leave in xp loss :P'

Akai_Hayate says, 'where are these test muds? i've never seen one announced'

Akai_Hayate flops about helplessly.

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'those are the extremes because the testmud isnt up forever'

Fuego says to LadyAce, '*sigh* so the immortals dont want to boost Pk activity?'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'We don't mind boosting the action, but we want to keep a cost associated with it.'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'for what reason?'

Fuego is really disturbed at the answer about not wanting to boost pkill

Create vs Cause

Gavvius says, 'Will create mages ever get animated death in their spell book ?'

LadyAce says to Gavvius, 'create and cause are supposed to have different spells, not the same ones.'

Kaige says to Gavvius, 'ok lemme explain some of the logic behind cause and create.. I've seen this in a couple of your questions lately'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Gavvius says to LadyAce, 'Why do their charmies way more POWERFUL than our ?'

LadyAce says, 'ssh, it's Gavvius's question time.'

Kaige says to Gavvius, 'create is intended to emphasize the idea of creating or destroying things....'

Kaige says to Gavvius, 'cause is intended to emphasize causing or removing things...'

Kaige says, 'and they were never intended to overlap as much as they currently do now'

Gavvius says to Kaige, '*nod* But cant we say that we are creating new tissue to hold the dead corpse together .. ?'

Akai_Hayate snickers softly.

Akai_Hayate says, 'why would you want a skeleton, they dont do damage, angels have special attacks n stuff :p'

Kaige says, 'that logic could be used, but we've really been trying to avoid duplicating exact abilities between different skill sets'

Ea! says to Gavvius, 'We always prefer to add new spells than to duplicate affects, if that makes sense.'

LadyAce says to Gavvius, 'that way there's diversity'

Gavvius says to Kaige, 'Then can you at least have some hp reduce on the skeleton ?'

Akai_Hayate bonks Gavvius on the head!

Gavvius says to Kaige, 'Doesnt make sense to me that they get their original hp'

Akai_Hayate says, 'they dont'

Akai_Hayate says, 'they like cap out at 500'

LadyAce says to Gavvius, 'their hp is based on the strength of the magician conjuring them'

Gavvius says, 'Still more than my charmies .. wayyy more'

Akai_Hayate says, 'but your charmies do damage, and can hold items'

LadyAce says to Gavvius, 'er "strength" in the "power" sense, not the stat.'

Akai_Hayate says, 'and cost less mana to make'

Gavvius says to Akai_Hayate, 'Less mana ? 200 for a greater is less mana ? *ponder*'

Ea! says to Gavvius, 'Create mages get a *lot* more powerful charmies when they can create greater things at higher levels.'

LadyAce says to Gavvius, 'we really aim to make the two types of mages different but both playable and interesting.'

Gavvius nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'create mage demons rock'

Akai_Hayate says, 'fine more mana, but again, they can do damage beyond hit hard :P'

Gavvius says, 'Thank you'

Kaige smiles at Gavvius.

Dagger of Ice

Gavvius says, 'For the damage on the dagger of ice ..'

Gavvius says, 'Can it be raise one notch ? .. or give att + ? ..'

Gavvius says, 'Most create dont even use it at all'

LadyAce says, 'I thought Sandra improved it recently, or maybe she was going to but hasn't gotten around to it'

LadyAce says, 'suggest it on the idea channel'

Gavvius says to Sandra, 'Have you ?'

LadyAce says, 'she's afk'

Kaige says, 'she was looking into a freeze spell, but I think that was waiting on some other code changes like the paralyze change'

Gavvius nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'ah, right'

Gavvius nods solemnly.

Gavvius says, 'Thank You'

Kaige says, 'which was always intended for that dagger'

Can some commands be done during skill lag?

Akai_Hayate says, 'wasnt skill lag on some things or all things being changed so you could do no skills things during the lag like talk'

Ea! says to Akai_Hayate, 'We wanted to do that, but it's really tricky, unfortunatly.'

What is the testmud port, and how often is it up?

Akai_Hayate says, 'and, what is the testmud port, and how often is it up? :P'

Kaige says, 'varies on the builder/coder and depends on the builder/coder'

LadyAce says, 'testmud port is just the mud program running on another port'

Kaige giggles.

Kaige says, 'a lot of people testmud on their own machines at home. =)'

LadyAce says, 'runs when we need things tested'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes we call it a 'testmud' when we run a pk tourney or other event using the same mud code but on a port other than 9999'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Akai_Hayate says, 'so its not on a specific port really?'

Kaige shakes her head.

LadyAce says, 'we get to choose the port'

Prizes for Player Games?

Akai_Hayate says, 'do imms no longer give prizes for player run trivia?'

LadyAce says, 'no, they don't.'

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