January 4th, 2001

Why Does Strength Suck?

Sandra says, 'who's got some questions?'

Legolas says, 'yeah... why does str suck?'

Sandra says, 'I think that's an unfair question =P'

Soze says to Legolas, 'because you should be using a staff'

Soze nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Judah nods solemnly.

Legolas says, 'i'm starting to think so too'

Judah taps the silver staff of the Magi.

Legolas pouts at a silver serrated sword petulantly.

Soze cheers for Judah - huzzah!

Dashiva sits down and rests on a huge chair made out of snow blocks.

Judah smiles at Legolas.

Kaige says, 'And answered multiple times in the Q&A logs. But personally I think people expect to play str or (several other char types) the way they would others and don't fully explore the char type to the fullest'

Judah smiles happily.

Sandra says, 'ok I like kaige's answer better'

Sandra giggles.

Dashiva snickers softly.

Are changes not thought through?

Legolas says, 'really though... you imms make changes designed to bring balance to the system, but actually throw it further from balance - it seems that these major changes aren't thought through completely'

Legolas says, 'is this true?'

Haley says to Legolas, 'changes take time.. one change at a time to make it better'

Sandra says, 'no, they're thought through, fought about, and argued to death, usually.'

Sandra says, 'we take alot of time discussing big changes before they go in'

Kaige says, 'Well, I can say I hope not, but since we're juggling so many variables at once, it's kinda hard to tell sometimes when we make one little change what all it will ultimately affect since we can't control how players use things unexpectedly some times'

Judah says, 'the downfalls is what makes things interesting...'

Kaige says, 'But if you notice imbalances, the best thing to do is to point them out, and look at other ways to counteract them'

Judah shrugs helplessly.

Dashiva says, 'ayup, go dex'

Dashiva ducks to the ground.

Dashiva attempts to take cover.

Legolas says, 'oh? junk my sword and use a katar like the other 60% of the mud?'

Kaige says to Dashiva, 'If you don't want a challenge, sure.'

Judah chuckles politely.

Judah shakes his head.

Dashiva nods his agreement with Kaige.

Judah taps the silver staff of the Magi.

Judah grins evilly.

Dashiva says to Kaige, 'well, I dont want to fruitlessly work on a char that wont do anything but look pretty in PD'

Dashiva says to Kaige, 'I want somthing that can sustain itself'

Legolas nods his agreement with Dashiva.

Sandra says, 'no. Ea's said in the past uh, I dunno how many q&a's that he's working on figuring out what the problem is. Its something to do with dex being checked too often or some such'

Kaige says to Dashiva, 'which is why I also said to point them out'

Legolas says, 'that's not the problem though - dex has too many tactical advantages when paired with perc'

Dashiva says, 'Str = PD/SL'

Legolas says, 'its not about dex defense... i have 96 dex and all the defense crap'

Legolas says, 'yet i'll still get raped 5/6 times in pk'

Kaige says, 'and if we can ever get to be able to code new skills, those will be diminished. Anyway.. Soze.. you also raised your hand?'

Comment on Newbies

Wijf says, 'Just something I've noticed rather than a question - but it seems that without the help of other players, it's awfully hard for a newbie to get anywhere... I'm a newbie (on this MUD anyway) and found that without help I was just lost'

Zafira nods her agreement with Wijf.

A Last On Command?

Soze says, 'ok, this "last" command, or seem like irc-wise thing, have it been considered?'

Soze says, 'irc-style'

Sandra says, 'what is it?'

Kaige says, 'last command.. like to tell when a person was last on?'

Soze nods his agreement with Kaige.

Soze says to Kaige, 'like roster long, but just for the public'

Judah smiles happily.

Soze says, 'and of cause we have no need for last pk battle etc.etc.'

Sandra says, 'I think someone brought that up once before, but I don't remember the answer that was given'

Soze says, 'perhaps last logoff instead'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'I think it causes privacy problems.'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'or at least...that's the objection I raise whenever it comes up'

Kaige says, 'well, we've currently got it in the clan rosters, yeah, but I remember seeing a few immortals objecting to it when it went in the idea file'

Kaige says, 'on the grounds of "privacy"... the problem is, it would have to work on the offline playerfiles which is more expensive than the clan roster where that's sotred in memory'

Soze looks up into the sky and ponders.

Heineken chuckles politely.

Dashiva looks up into the sky and ponders.

Soze says, 'but clan members are automagically trusted?'

Kaige says, 'we figure you're trusting your clan and the clan has a right to know the activity level of their members'

LadyAce says, 'If you have privacy issues, you don't need to be in a clan, you can still play, for one thing.'

Soze nods solemnly.

Zafira says, 'perhaps it could be something toggle-able?'

LadyAce says, 'ways to protect against cyberstalking seem important to me'

Soze says, 'oh well, don't seem like there's much reason in arguing, about befriended lists etc, as it would take up a lot of mem :P'

Kaige says to Zafira, 'the problem is, if you're online, they don't need it, and that would make it more complicated to check as well as load the playerfile just to check that'

HP/MA/MV Gear

Dashiva says, 'whats gonna happen with hp gear, ive heard like 14 diffrent rumors'

Authority nods his agreement with Dashiva.

Kaige says to Sandra, 'you wanna answer that one again?'

Sandra says, 'was waiting for someone to ask that. ;)'

Sandra says, 'sure'

Sandra says, 'We're finishing up the changes to hp/ma/mv eq this week. In fact, most of those changes should be in tomorrow. But the code changes to hp are a little delayed since LA and Ea are having roof problems. You'll find, however, that the'

Sandra says, 'changes aren't as bad as everyone will think'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Dashiva says to Santina, 'so there going to be for the worse then?'

Dashiva says, 'bah'

Aidan whaps Dashiva across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Sandra says, 'we won't be touching pfiles yet. That won't happen until 2 weeks after the code change goes in'

Dashiva says to Sandra, 'there going to be revamped like hit/dam? made less?'

Sandra says to Dashiva, 'in some cases, yes. Some won't change, and some will have a small penalty put on them.'

Dashiva says, 'oh man =('

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Dashiva reports: 406/406 hp 287/392 mana 360/360 mv.

LadyAce says, 'not just roof problems, don't forget my hubby's busted ear drum'

Dashiva says, 'well kiss 400 hp goodbye!'

Dashiva snickers softly.

Zelda goes EEK! in distress.

Sandra says, 'oh yea =('

Sandra says to Dashiva, 'actually'

Dashiva says, 'well, I guess its for a greater good'

Dashiva says to Sandra, '?'

Sandra says, 'since we're not touching the pfile gear yet, you'll remain unchanged. And when the code change to hp goes in, you might *still* remain unchanged.'

Dashiva says, 'ooh'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Aidan says to Dashiva, 'you'll have about 250ish'

Dashiva says, 'you can't be serious'

Sandra says, 'was I the one that said that?'

Dashiva shakes his head.

Dashiva glares icily at Aidan.

Dashiva says, 'hehe'

Aidan snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'then it's not serious =P'

Soze says, 'I thought you wanted to get rid of the "old" eq?'

Aidan says, 'that was an estimated figure'

Sandra says to Soze, 'old hp/ma/mv eq will go byebye, 2 weeks after the code change goes in'

Soze says, 'ok'

Soze says, 'but not on pfiles? *boggled*'

Kaige says, 'old eq only exists in pfiles'

Sandra says, 'yea, that's what the 'old eq' is'

Zelda says, 'the old equip will disappear on pfiles altogether?'

Soze says, 'so, it will basically be back to, old black horseshoe, min bid 50 million and 3 color coupons on auction again?'

Sandra says, 'it'll get changed to the new eq. That's just hp/ma/mv stuff'

Zelda nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'hopefully people will get rid of their old gear before we do'

Sandra says to Soze, 'well, you can spend 3 mil on it if you want, but in a month, you'll have wasted 3 mil'

Soze says, 'goodie'

LadyAce says, 'that way their stats won't change unexpectedly'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Soze says, 'that was what I was hoping for'

Legolas says, 'remove it all! all the hit/dam eq too'

Aidan says, 'ok wait a min, i'm sure you have already covered this but i wasnt here. will it come out of the game completely or will there be a 'new horseshoe' just tweaked'

Legolas says, 'its polluting the system!'

Sandra says, 'the new horseshoe is already in'

Amairgen says, 'its hard to make plans without knowing the details'

LadyAce says, 'for example, maybe an item becomes only +hp not +stat, and you would rather have the stat. better to adjust your own eq than let us do it (LA)'

Sandra says, 'the following items will change tomorrow:'

Sandra says, 'kraken belt, silver arcane symbol on a blackened leather thong, amethyst ring, iron broach'

Dashiva says, 'those will change?'

Sandra says, 'those'll change tomorrow'

LadyAce says, 'you'll have 2 weeks at minimum to adjust your eq set to deal with the new gear (LA)'

Heineken says, 'so...is the intent that players who have sacrificed everything for high con will actually have more hp than other players?'

Dashiva says, 'hm'

Sandra says, 'there's 2 more that'll change probably next week'

Blackthorne says, 'why? not balanced?'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Sandra says, 'ok, lemme back up for everyone that just got here'

Dashiva says, 'well crap, losts of lists I have is on that eq, is it stats or hp changing?'

LadyAce says, 'You'll hafta wait and see for the answer to that one Dashiva'

Dashiva sniffs sadly.

Sandra says, 'tomorrow, those items I just listed will be changed in the areafiles only.'

Dashiva says, 'I didnt know the iron broach was +mana or hp'

Dashiva looks up into the sky and ponders.

Blackthorne says, 'the reason being?'

Herbert says to Dashiva, '+mana'

Sandra says, 'when Ea is feeling better, and their roof problems are sorta solved, Ea will work on the code to the hp formula'

Soze says, 'what about old-old eq, like pt. old brines, horns etc, will they be affected by this new change too?'

Dashiva says, 'amethyst is no big deal, garnet ring or whatever is the same thing I think'

Sandra says, 'when that code changes goes in, ALL hp/ma/mv eq in pfiles will be changed to the new versions at least 2 weeks after the code is installed'

Dashiva says, 'oooh'

Dashiva says, 'it will change?'

Dashiva says, 'so I dont have to get new ones?'

Dashiva beams delightedly.

LadyAce says, 'I bet Sandra will post full details soonly (LA) :)'

Kaige says, 'if you want to know what it'll change to and how it'll affect you, you may want to early'

Soze says, 'but since old-old sss'es aren't +hp or mana it won't change?'

Sandra says, 'we're not changing hit/dam eq in pfiles at this time. That's not to say we won't down the road if we need to tho'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Soze says to Sandra, 'please do'

Dashiva says, 'yea, we cant get to weak to fast, a str char like lego would be scrap heap for LoP'

Dashiva winks suggestively at Legolas.

Blackthorne says, 'is this to make all eq net 5 or in hopes of?'

Sandra says, 'our main concern with doing this is balancing out the different fight stats. And if we have to, we'll changes those old items to do so ;P'

Legolas says to Herbert, 'you ever been ripped and demolished in the same round by someone?'

Zelda says, 'I think they should be changed'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Legolas.

Legolas says, 'i'm told it hurts... a lot'

Zafira says, 'str fighters are hurting even with good old hit/dam gear. You'll only make it worse for them'

Sandra says to Blackthorne, 'to answer your earlier question, the change to hp/ma/mv eq is to give con the boost they're supposed to have'

Herbert says to Legolas, 'prolly'

Sandra says to Zafira, 'that's not true. I have 4 of them, and I know that's not true'

Herbert says to Legolas, 'ifought spite last night'

Kaige says, 'and mind too'

Dashiva says, 'mana has nothing to do with con I thought?'

Blackthorne says to Sandra, 'what does ma have to do with con eq though?'

Soze says, 'and those who don't have old eq are just the unlucky sods who weren't here 2 years ago when things happened?'

Sandra says to Blackthorne, 'hp/ma/mv all fall into the same boat as far as gear is concerned'

Legolas says, 'i was here 2 years ago! i just hit like 10 DTs'

Dashiva snickers softly.

Fuego jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Legolas!

Soze cheers for Legolas - huzzah!

Dashiva says to Legolas, 'your a DT magnent tho or somthing'

Legolas sniffles sadly to himself, since no one else is paying attention.

Zelda says, 'if strength fighters can't get it anymore you can't rely on it to balance strength'

Fuego says to Legolas, 'not to mention you suck'

Fuego smirks.

Dashiva says to Fuego, 'well soon you will to'

Legolas says, 'yeah... thats prolly part of it'

Dashiva says to Fuego, 'about 2 weeks'

Zafira says, 'all I know is my dex fighters hit harder than my str'

Fuego says, 'whys that? i dont have old gear'

Fuego pokes Dashiva in the ribs.

Dashiva says, 'con gear'

Legolas says, 'you have hp gear i bet'

Amairgen says to Legolas, 'I'm always amazed that folks ever DT more than twice.'

Sandra says, 'nah, I'd say more like a month for the hp/ma/mv change'

Kaige says, 'maybe they're not using their optimal weapon yet?'

Herbert says, 'when ya get to me i have something completely off topic :)'

Zafira peers intently at a silver serrated sword.

Sandra's being generous with that estimate.

Create Weapon & Charms

MadMax says, 'i had two questions'

Sandra says, 'okie'

MadMax says, 'one, any chance i will ever be able to give a weapon i create to my doppel?'

Aidan says, 'yeah that would be a lot of help for icky little mages like my dumb alt'

Sandra says, 'you mean like the cudgel, sword of flame and ice dagger?'

MadMax nods solemnly.

Sandra says, 'I'm not sure how possible it would be to code'

Fuego says, 'cudgel?'

Zafira says, 'staff of light'

Dashiva says, 'its just a newbie spell'

Zafira says, 'what if you create it ex the doppel, so it appears in the dopple's inv'

Custom Spell Messages?

MadMax says, 'second ques is, any possibility coupons could be used to change results of some spells'

Sandra says to MadMax, 'not possible =('

Kaige says to MadMax, 'not easily'

Kaige shakes her head.

MadMax nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'not without a lot of work'

MadMax says, 'what i thought'

Polls & Voting

Zafira says, 'I'm concerned about the integrity of the polling system, especially since it will be used for LoP applicants. What will stop people from creating many alts and flooding the poll?'

Ganymede says, 'or getting their friends to do it'

Herbert nods his agreement with Zafira.

Kaige chuckles politely.

SkullKrusher says, 'i think i may have a solution to that actually'

Kaige says, 'well we've had some other concerns about using them for that... mostly multiple questions.'

Ganymede says, 'they could also have friends do it, especially those people who know lots of people in their area who play'

Ganymede says, 'seems pretty easy to manipulate to me'

Kaige says, 'we do have a host of filters available when we run the analysis on the poll, but as Ruf pointed out to me today, he never intended it to be "scientifically sound" but more of a way to put a finger on the pulse so to speak'

Ganymede says to Kaige, 'well LoP seems like something that should be really sound'

Ganymede says, 'if it is to be THE deciding factor'

Heineken says, 'so students can't alt out on every machine in the lab and vote for themselves 50 times?'

Zafira says, 'I was thinking, polls could be made available only to chars over level 15, or something like that'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Zafira.

Ganymede says, 'that would help'

Herbert says, 'yeah thas a good plan even'

Heineken nods his agreement with Zafira.

Darkness returns to being In Character.

Kaige says, 'well we can automatically filter by level as well'

Kaige says, 'and there may be cases where we want new players impressions as well'

Zafira nods solemnly.

Ganymede says, 'okay, but that still doesn't solve the problem of manipulation'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Kaige says, 'I know.. I wasn't suggesting that it did...'

SkullKrusher says, 'maybe make polls for level 10'

Sandra says, 'manipulation? As in they try to bribe people to vote for them?'

Ganymede shakes his head.

Herbert says, 'that too hahaha'

Kaige says, 'that's going to happen regardless of how we do it'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Ganymede says, 'as in, you make about a dozen newbie alts and vote for your friend with them'

Ganymede says, 'or, you get a bunch of your friends from school to log in chars and vote for you, people who don't normally even play legend'

Sandra says, 'well, unless you have a dozen different ip addresses, it wouldn't help'

Kaige says, 'because only the people who are going to take the time to do it in the first place are either genuinely interested or have been bothered into doing it'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Herbert says, 'just like presidential elections hahaha'

Kaige says, 'we see that with the expies as it is'

Kaige nods her agreement with Herbert.

Heineken says, 'you CAN play on a dozen different IPs in a comuter lab...'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Heineken.

Kaige says, 'similar still tho'

Kosminski says, 'i miss much?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Zafira says, 'well, you shouldn't get a lop mob just because you really, really want it'

Sandra says, 'close enough to be caught'

Ganymede says to Zafira, 'agreed'

Herbert says, 'hey so me, darkness,spite,wijf are kinda screwed outta voting then cos we share ips?'

Dashiva says, 'prolly'

Heineken says, 'so...better not ask people in the same domain to vote for you? :)'

Sandra says, 'we know that you share ips. We know who shares and who doesn't.'

Ganymede says, 'people's complaint seems to be that imms aren't objective in the voting process. Who says the players will be any better?'

Herbert nods his agreement with Sandra.

Kosminski says, 'they monitor all that to catch cheaters'

Kosminski peers at himself myopically.

Kosminski says, 'remember all those guys used to play at UGA?'

Sandra says to Ganymede, 'well, at least they'll get to prove it one way or the other ;)'

Kaige says to Ganymede, 'please let me clarify that one... people's complaints with the HOL were that Flagg wasn't objective since he was the only one voting the question here seems to be how to make sure players opinions are accurately reflected'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ganymede says, 'well, that was Flagg. This is LoP and I personally don't see anything wrong with just a panel of imms making the decision'

Ganymede shrugs philosophically.

Dashiva says, 'the players should get a vote, voting is good if it can be done fairly'

Sandra says, 'Ther is a panel of imms that will vote first'

Ganymede says, '-A- vote yes. -The- vote...that's questionable'

Heineken says, 'if you could sort out players from characters, voting would be great. But you can't really, can you?'

Sandra says, 'well, I'd like to at least give the player voting a try. It's something that I feel is needed, and can be a good thing if it works. If it doesn't, well, then we'll just have the committee do the voting'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Sandra.

Ganymede says, 'fair enough'

Zafira nods her agreement with Sandra.

Polls & Builders

Kosminski says, 'i dont like players voting on changing mobs'

Kosminski wrinkles his nose distastefully.

Kosminski says, 'it should be up to the builder .'

LadyAce says, 'I think it's a good way for a builder to judge player reaction'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Heineken says, 'I like the idea, but it's so open to abuse.'

LadyAce says, 'I mean, otherwise they have to go by what's said on chat or tells etc'

Kosminski says, 'well ok then BUT'

Kosminski says, 'there needs to be an option in voting called e) other'

Kosminski says, 'like for suger'

Kosminski says, 'i dont care what she does to him, just make the chalice repop consistent to him'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Kosminski says, 'i hate kiling him 35 times'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we should make it a universal method for all mobs, but it's not bad now and then'

Herbert says, 'there is option E its called IDEA use it'

Dashiva says, 'pardoner repop needs to be faster, just take the gold off of him'

Kosminski says, 'i send in about 1 idea per day'

Kosminski says, 'with one char or another if im on'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kosminski.

Kosminski cheers for Dashiva - huzzah!

Kosminski says, 'amen to that'

Dashiva says, 'heh'

Herbert says, 'yeah but if ya dont feel you can vote in confidence submit an idea'

Aidan says, 'i hate waiting 8 real hours just for the pardoner to repop'

Dashiva says, 'well I dunno about that long, but he is certainly a cause of stress if you need to be good'

Sandra says, 'if you're that dependent on him for that one thing he does, you should get out more =P'

Dashiva says, 'and you dont know...other quests =)'

Aidan says, 'and if you leave the room, he repops and someone kills him again'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Sandra.

Kosminski says, 'he is the easiest way to change align'

Kosminski ducks to the ground.

Dashiva says, 'purgatory, all Ill say'

Dashiva bounces around.

Ganymede says, 'if you guys didn't let your chalices poof so often maybe you wouldn't need to kill the abbot as much'

Aidan says, 'the chalice is another thing'

Aidan says, 'there's never one when you want one'

Zafira says, 'chalice is overused anyway'

Aidan says, 'true, but is useful'

Kosminski says, 'because mana regen is too slow'

Camaris nods his agreement with Zafira.

Kosminski says, 'slooowww gameplay'

Aidan nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Lachesis hugs Suger's chalice.

Zafira says, 'get meditate or root'

Dashiva says, 'if we could have a advanced meditate that breaks when you talk or move, faster mana regain, you could make chalice weaker'

Kosminski says, 'all my 100 mind chars have med or both'

Ganymede says, 'trance'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Ganymede.

Aidan says, 'my alt has meditate and her mana takes forever'

Zafira says, 'my alt has meditate and finds it is so fast, chalice is superfluous'

Lachesis nods her agreement with Aidan.

Aidan says, 'and she only has 250 mana'

Aidan says, 'my surgeon on the other hand doesn't take that long to regen mana'

Aidan says, 'and she has almost 600'

Lachesis nods her agreement with Aidan.

Ganymede says, 'even with meditate mana regen starts to get hairy when you have 500 mana or more'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Isn't LoP going to get Crowded?

Ganymede says, 'okie well this is another LoP question'

Ganymede says, 'since there is a vote every month, it seems the intent is to induct a lot of people into LoP. Now, having mobile wandering mobs is all well and cool when it's only 20 or so, but once we get another 10 or 15 it's going to get confusing a'

Ganymede says, 'and downright overwhelming. So in the event that there are tons of mobs'

Ganymede says, 'what's going to happen? just have them all running all over?'

Heineken says, 'it's a little confusing already "hello, are you real or are you Memorex?"'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Heineken.

Kaige says, 'if it gets too crowded I'd suspect they'd start renting out and taking turns playing'

Zafira says, 'give them super eq (maybe a nice sword) and slow repop'

Ea! says, 'I think it's going to be pretty hard to get into the LoP, too.'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Ea!.

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Dashiva says, 'I was hoping so'

Ganymede says to Ea!, 'well, only if not many of them get to the polling stage'

Dashiva says, 'lets not admit every john doe'

Sandra says, 'you gotta make it past the imms first, then the players'

Blackthorne says, 'it should be hard to get into Lop'

Dashiva says, 'HoL had like a 2 year waiting list'

Ea! says, 'I mean, first, you need to actually be a "legend"'

Gondar can't figger out why he ain't already in.

Blackthorne nods his agreement with Ea!.

Zafira doesn't know any legends.

Blackthorne says, 'not too many of those these days'

Ganymede says, 'I think the player stage will be a lot easier to get through, because a lot of people will vote "yes" out of pure apathy'

Camaris nods his agreement with Blackthorne.

Ea! says, 'Which means that you'll need to have people talking about you for years after you stop playing the character.'

Sandra says, 'well, it isn't just a yes or no thing'

Ganymede says, 'oh?'

Sandra says, 'there'll be a few questions on the character applying to prove what you know, and how legendary they really are'

Zafira says, 'I don't hear much talk about the current LoP mobs. Perhaps they weren't legendary enough and we should get rid of them.'

Ganymede says to Zafira, 'shush'

Sandra giggles at Ganymede.

Dashiva says, 'Ive not even heard of some of those players'

Kosminski says, 'they are all old players'

LadyAce says to Dashiva, 'some of 'em predate you'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Dashiva says, 'like that old musty crowe fella'

Blackthorne says, 'what I just hope doesnt happen is when the imms start to look at the newest applications and be somewhat be pressured to pick someone even though they might not deserve it, but im sure that wont happen'

Sandra says, 'don't worry, all those that are in will stay in. They were definately worthy of the replica =P'

Dashiva rolls his eyes heavenward.

Zafira says, 'I've only been here 2 years, so all but one predates me'

Gondar says, 'I know Killer, personally, and I remember Morphine, but the rest. . . never heard of em'

Camaris says, 'ive only payed for 6 months, havent heard or any of those mobs'

Sandra says to Blackthorne, 'trust me, we won't be pressured'

Kosminski says, 'merc'

Kosminski throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Gondar says, '2 years. . . not that much a newbie'

Blackthorne nods his agreement with Sandra.

Blackthorne says to Sandra, 'of course'

LadyAce says, 'we don't have any trouble turning down imm apps after all'

Dashiva says, 'well, all I know is when im off to college its time to apply'

LadyAce says, 'we're vicious when no one can hear us :)'

Sandra says to Camaris, 'the newest one that you might have known out of there is Crowe, all others retired at least a year ago. Though I think Crowe was that long too'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Sandra says, 'I have no problem saying 'Hell no' and laughing alot'

LadyAce says, 'y'all are lucky I'm not on the panel!!'

Dashiva says, 'most of them I remember as just from HoL'

Sandra says, 'that's ok, I have no problem saying it monthly either ;)'

Dashiva says, 'so if were turned down were to never re admit another app?'

Ea! says, 'The ideal LoP candidate, in my mind, is someone who most people who are around didn't know, but know of.'

Camaris nods his agreement with Ea!.

Zafira looks at Ea!, boggled.

Blackthorne says to Ea!, 'that might be a long waiting list'

Ganymede says to Ea!, 'I can understand that'

Sandra says to Dashiva, 'the app stays on file, so you won't need to.'

Kaige says, 'But you should feel free to update it with noteworthy additions.'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Blackthorne.

Dashiva nods his agreement with Sandra.

Gondar nods his agreement with Blackthorne.

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'that's a good point. It's not a matter of popularity but reputation'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Zafira says, 'so all you need is gossipy friends?'

Ganymede says, 'yes, but will the players make their decision on that criterion?'

Xena says, 'so I wouldnt make it if I tried'

Lachesis grins evilly at Xena.. wonder what she's thinking...

Zafira says to Xena, 'but all your friends will!'

Gondar says to Xena, 'who are you?'bogg'

Lenore giggles.

Xena says, 'my reputation stinks'

Dashiva says, 'someone like say...craven, wether he likes it or not people talk about him, and he's been here a while?'

Gondar is completely boggled.

Blackthorne says, 'considering that you have to wait for the too leave...then have people talk about them, what about nominations from other players, i could think of a few, i mean few people who might be fun in lop'

Blackthorne grins mischievously.

LadyAce says, 'I wouldn't want to put in anyone without their ok'

Dashiva says, 'what im wondering does past offences count agaisnt you? like warnings'

Sandra says, 'first the committee decides if you're legendary, then you get put up to the players for them to decide too. Granted the player voting will be easier to get past, but I figure that if you make it past the imms, you should have a 50/50 c'

Blackthorne says to LadyAce, 'well sure'

Sandra says, 'chance'

Sandra says to Dashiva, 'yep'

Kosminski says, 'Limerick got in'

Dashiva says, 'oh boy'

Zafira says, 'I rarely speak of past characters. Once they stop playing, they are no longer important'

Dashiva says, 'yea!'

LadyAce smiles at Zafira.

Gondar says, 'so if ya have more warnings, people wil talk about ya more, an you can get in!'

Dashiva says, 'yea'

Blackthorne says to Zafira, 'i think they mean that if they still talk about you if when you leave, then that might be lop material'

Kaige says, 'Well, one way to build a reputation up is to tie your RP with other characters... like the families and some of the clans have it much easier in that respect'

Blackthorne nods his agreement with Kaige.

Blackthorne says to Kaige, 'thats a good point'

LadyAce says, 'I think you'd have to be around quite a while to be legendary'

LadyAce says, 'none of this 6 months old stuff'

Ganymede says, 'Everyone's there 'cept K'Mala, where'd she go?'

Ganymede sniffs sadly.

Dashiva says, 'are you talking hours or just total time'

Sandra says, 'actually'

Sandra has created K'Mala!

Camaris chuckles politely.

Ganymede cheers for K'Mala - huzzah!

Sandra says, 'she's right there ;P But she's not done'

Ganymede says, 'ooooh nice weapon'

Gondar says, 'I just found out yeasterday that K'mala used to be an imm'

Gondar chuckles politely.

Kosminski says, 'gee another dex weapon'

Kosminski ducks to the ground.

Xena snickers softly.

Dashiva says, 'razor sharp wit yay'

Kaige says to Gondar, 'man you don't read enough old LTs'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Kaige giggles.

Sandra says to Gondar, 'she used to run the social column in the lt'

Ganymede says, 'yeah not enough of those around'

Ganymede rolls his eyes heavenward.

Sandra says to Kosminski, 'another dex weapon that players will never get'

Kosminski says, 'ack'

Gondar says, 'never read an old LT'

Dashiva holds his head down and mourns the dead.

Zafira says, 'I was bored today and tried to read old LTs. They were boring.'

Kosminski says, 'thats EVEN worse'

Ganymede says, 'whereas if I want a str weapon with the best damage my options are, SSS, claw, and...SSS'

Blackthorne says to Gondar, 'they are kinda neat actually, i just started reading them'

Zafira says, 'no better than new LTs'

Sandra says, 'well, as far as the LoP mobs, I'm sorry, but I gave them what they used =P'

Dashiva says, 'blackbeards sword, which is like non exsistent tho'

Gondar says, 'where can I find them?'

LadyAce says, 'on the web'

Blackthorne says, 'interesting that even in the first issues of ltimes they were complaining about lack of rp'

LadyAce says, '"help lt" for URL'

Choices in Weapons?

Gondar says, 'I was wondering... when are we gonna get a good con weapon?'

Lachesis nods her agreement with Gondar.

Sandra says, 'define 'good''

Blackthorne chuckles politely at Sandra's feeble witticism.

Kosminski says, 'equiv to katar/silver switchblade'

Gondar says, 'somethin thats comparable to SSS and uh. . . dunno what dex weapons there are'

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says, 'define 'good''

Blackthorne gasps at Gondar.

Kosminski says, 'q5 +5 net good special'

Sandra says, 'don't compare apples and oranges'

Kosminski says, '7kg +'

Ganymede says, 'good: damage comparable to the SSS'

Sandra says, 'there's 3 out there already'

Kosminski says, 'yah name em'

Ganymede says, 'good: effects that aren't useless after level 30'

Kosminski says, 'dont say where they are'

Gondar says, 'not that I have seen/heard of'

Sandra says, 'you know i won't name 'em'

Dashiva says, 'there are some weapons that should have been made q5'

Sandra says, 'get off yer butt and go look =P'

Dashiva says, 'like the sastram'

Dashiva says, 'or the thief captains dagger'

Blackthorne smirks at Dashiva.

Kosminski looks all the time

Ganymede says, 'I know two weapons that have damage like the SSS'

LadyAce says, 'sastram special is too powerful to go on a +5'

Sandra says, 'I know of 2 that people never use. Well 1 is sorta hard to get'

Dashiva says, 'what about trident?'

Gondar says, 'best on I have seen /heard of is brahman, and it in no way compares to str/dex weapons'

Kosminski says, 'but major poison isnt?'

Blackthorne looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sandra says to Gondar, 'brahman? You definately should get out more'

LadyAce says, 'i know of lev 50s that use sastram, and even like it :P'

Blackthorne peers around the room intently.

Blackthorne says, 'who would like such a terrible weapon'

Blackthorne coughs loudly.

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Ganymede snickers softly.

Dashiva says, 'the huge spiked used to be a great weapon'

Susano says, 'what weapon is that?'

Lachesis ponders the staff of the Brahman's existence.

Xena says, 'hey my alt uses the brahman'

Gondar says, 'well. . . there is huge spiked. . . but it is as much a str weapon as con'

Dashiva says, 'weighs the same as a SSS but you still cant wear it one handed'

Susano nods his agreement with Gondar.

Kosminski says, 'huge spiked sucks because con/str is weak now'

Ganymede says to Xena, 'they mean the sastram I think'

Sandra says, 'not counting that one, because it is basically str/con'

Xena nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Kosminski says, 'and it still does less damage than a sss'

Blackthorne says to LadyAce, 'any thoughts on making the spell the sastram casts be able to cut through low level sinks a little better'

Gondar says, 'huge spiked is the only other con weapon that I have ever heard of thats close'

Ganymede says, 'bottom line: for str fighters right now, weight and dam are everything'

Blackthorne says, 'as in at all'

Ganymede says, 'the effects mean little'

Sandra says, 'I wish that you would stop comparing everything to the one maxed out str weapon in the game.'

Kosminski says, 'demon claw is same damage 5 str 20 hp!'

Ganymede says, 'not for long :P'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Kosminski says, 'fregrara and sidhe sword also same damage'

Blackthorne nods his agreement with Ganymede.

Kosminski says, '18 x 5'

Dashiva says, 'scepter of minos clone is ooko'

Blackthorne says to Kosminski, 'think the answerer has some minuses though right?'

Susano nods his agreement with Blackthorne.

Ganymede says, 'the claw also requires about 2 hours of at least 5 people's time to get'

Kosminski says, 'not sure havent checked since the damroll hitroll changes'

Kosminski says, 'it was +5 net 18 dam and 3 hit 3 dam'

Dashiva says, 'no one even uses the trident anymore besides alvis'

Dashiva says, 'and his is a old one'

Blackthorne says, 'alvis was doing good with that thing in sl a couple days ago actually, course he isnt a pkiller'

Sandra says to Gondar, 'anyhow, in short: experiment some more with other con weapons. And I"m sure more will come about when new areas go in'

Ganymede says, 'the problem is'

Ganymede says, 'there are several "good" weapons in each category'

Gondar says, 'I can think of 1. . . used to be 2'

Ganymede says, 'but in every one except dex there is only one top notch one, MAYBE two'

LadyAce says, 'That is something we should fix in the future...make q5 less of a requirement in player eyes'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kosminski says, 'youd have to change fight sys then'

Ganymede says, 'the "best" is always going to be a "requirement" in player eyes though'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Uji nods solemnly.

Fuego nods his agreement with Ganymede.

Ea! says, 'Yeah, but it's a matter of trading one "best" for another "best"'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'not for healers & gunmen & mages, necessarily'

Fuego says, 'although whats "best" is only one man's perspective'

LadyAce says, 'if a mage can't even get all the attacks out of a q5, why pay for it?'

Kosminski says, 'q4 is current system will never be close to q5'

Kosminski says to LadyAce, 'its too easy to get 91 in a fight stat and 100 mind'

Fuego nods solemnly.

Dashiva says, 'thats not the problem tho'

Fuego says, 'deffinately'

Gondar was 100mind/95con

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'Yes, but now you're scratching the surface of another reason why fighters are lame'

Sandra says, 'that's not the point, what if they can't get expert ?'

Kosminski says, 'and at 85 in a fight stat, q5 still hits more'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'I'm talking about the future when mages with expert fighting become less common'

Kosminski says, 'oh'

Kosminski says, 'well then sounds like major changes long way off'

Gondar raises his eyebrow at LadyAce.

Ganymede still thinks we need "master" skills for pure fighters with a stat requirement of 85 or so.

Kosminski says, 'if you ASK me'

LadyAce says, 'aren't they all :)'

Dashiva says, 'why shouldnt mages have expert fighting a certain skill?'

Kosminski says, 'if you learn chant you should be excluded from expert fighting'

Dashiva says, 'we dont have classes, you can blend here, where would you draw the line?'

Kosminski says, 'then make spells do more damage'

Fuego says to Ganymede, '85? you would lower it?'

Uji laughs with amusement.

Ganymede says, '100 I meant'

Ganymede says, 'or 95 even'

Uji grins evilly.

Ganymede shrugs helplessly.

Uji says, 'that's still easy to get for mages'

Kosminski says, 'dont need 100, 91 gives full attacks'

Ganymede says, 'something'

Ea! says, 'See, here's the point: the point is that it's not outrageous to allow mages to have both exp. fighting and chant as long as they need to give up enough other things to do it.'

Gondar says, 'so make 95 the req for master'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Ea!.

Dashiva nods his agreement with Ea!.

Dashiva says, 'thanks =)'

Gondar nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'Now, the trike is in making their be enough "other things" that it's a reasonable system.'

Ea! says, 'Er, trick.'

Kosminski says, 'right'

Fuego raises his hand.

Kosminski says, 'under current system thats impossible'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Ea!.

Kosminski says, 'but change can be good'

Ea! says, 'That's why these changes continually wait until 'trees -- 'cause then we're adding so many skills, it's not as big of an issue.'

Gondar says, 'you mean like 100 mind/95 con/9 dex?'

Kosminski says, 'you can get 91 con 100 mind 50 dex'

Kosminski says, 'and still have all spells and a decenet weapon'

Gondar says, 'not me'

Kosminski says, '3c'

Ea! says to Gondar, 'Well, yes and no -- that's the general idea, but not so directly related to stats.'

Ganymede says, 'It's pretty hard to convince people to wait for something that's "on hold"'

Zafira nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Stats *shouldn't* be the end all and be all of the mud.'

Gondar says, 'not with a 17 nekkid dex =P'

Kosminski says, 'well, they kinda are here'

Ea! says, 'Well, it's not like there's a choice here.'

LadyAce says, 'I'm not trying to say you should "wait" for it. Just that the ideas belong in a package with others, and it's all on hold.'

Ea! says, 'We're not going to go mucking with finding a new solution for something that we already have a planned solution for. Trees may never happen -- and we may never solve certain problems.'

Kosminski says, 'adding better con and str weapons is easy though'

Kosminski says, 'could do it in a few hours'

Gondar nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Ganymede says, 'so, con may always suck? well that's comforting'

Zafira says, 'so everyone, have your str fighters apply for LoP and maybe we'll get a new sword'

Uji says, 'Con doesn't suck, in my opinion.'

Ea! says, 'I doubt con will always suck.'

Kosminski says to Ganymede, 'good think you have such low con'

Lachesis ponders her own existence - better keep an eye on her.

Fuego says, 'i like con'

Ganymede says to Kosminski, 'I do?'

Uji says, 'My con char is doing great.'

Ganymede peers at himself myopically.

Kosminski says, 'con will be good when the +hp gear changes goes in'

LadyAce says, 'new areas take a bit longer than a few hours, I'm afraid. We can't really load up old areas with all the eq, then what will we put in new areas?'

Gondar says, 'con sucks so bad, IMO, that I raped my miond and con to go str'

Kosminski says, 'bah'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Uji says to Gondar, 'My con works great'

Uji shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'if the area is lacking in good +stat items already or something, that's different'

Sandra says, 'if you expect your con mage to hit like some str fighter, then yes, you will be disappointed'

LadyAce pulls a small piece of paper from Vidar out of thin air.

Gondar says, 'still. . . 95 con'

Uji says, 'put a plus stat in phoenecia.'

Uji giggles.

Ganymede says, 'the problem as I see it is that there are major balance issues which are not being addressed until a fictional date which may or may not happen, and meanwhile, the balance issues are bringing the game down here and now'

Gondar says, 'I dont expect that'

Gondar shakes his head.

Fuego says to Gondar, 'so your supposed to hit hard, AND be able to immolate and stun?'

Ea! says to Gondar, 'Just remember that by doing that when con changes for the better, you'll either need to go back, or you won't be as good.'

Kosminski says, 'make some of the current crappy weapons q5 +5 net stats, and have a decent special'

Zafira says to LadyAce, 'I would like to see more items with small net stats on mobs that low levels can kill'

Sandra says, 'in fact, if you expect your con mage to hit like a con fighter, you will be disappointed =P I think con, aside from the hp problem, is the only stat that's not got a problem in the fighting catagory'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'yes, it is a problem, isn't it.'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Sandra.

Kosminski says, 'ya cons ok cept for all the +hp gear'

Ea! says, 'Assuming that you originally tuned your character for a straight up con fighter -- if you didn't tune it and went more down the center, then it shouldn't be a big deal.'

Ea! says, 'as str and con should be approx. balanced.'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'Unfortunately, if we put the changes in in little bits, we risk making the thing far worse, and making the full solution further off'

Ganymede says to LadyAce, 'I personally believe the only way to fix things is to look at them from a distance and just reconceptualize the way things are balanced'

Zafira nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Ganymede says, 'BUT'

Kosminski says, 'remove the +hp gear and make it in spec, add some comparable good con/str weapons should be a good start'

Ganymede says, 'I don't think elements that make the game enjoyable should be removed for the sake of balance, if it can be helped'

Gondar says, 'as I see it, it goes dex str con as far as good fighting and top of the line weapons'

Fuego says, 'i like con better then str'

Fuego says, 'but dex will always be on top'

Zafira says, 'con isn't supposed to fight well, just to outlast the opponent'

Fuego says, 'well, for now'

Kosminski says to Ea!, 'you still looking into removing some of the dex checks on skills?'

Ganymede says, 'I mean think of it this way. On one hand you have pure fighters, on the other, mages'

Ganymede says, 'mages have their magic, fighters have high damage and high hp'

LadyAce says to Zafira, 'we've tried to add more items like that, but they're not used'

Kosminski says, 'you have: dex/perc con/mind dex/mind str/mind and pure fighters, plus druid types, plus create vs cause to balance'

Kosminski says, 'its not easy i am sure'

Ganymede says, 'the mages' magic gives them natural abilities to counteract the fighters' high damage and hp. the fighter has no such natural defense against magic'

Kosminski says to Ganymede, 'ya there is no +magic resis gear in tehi game'

Ea! says to Kosminski, 'Not on skills -- in the fight system itself. If it were just a skill-related thing, it'd be easier.'

Dashiva says, 'yea there is'

Ganymede says, 'I'm not even talking about gear though'

Dashiva says, 'there is a resist flame item'

Kosminski says to Dashiva, 'name one'

Gondar says, 'I have never seen a con fighter (not mage =P) damcap, I have seen dex do so'

Uji nods his agreement with Dashiva.

Kosminski says, 'it doesnt work'

Tirasala says, 'my magic defense is very simple: run away'

Zafira says to LadyAce, 'I've noticed new items with less than 5 net, but on LoP mobs and others that are not worth killing for those items'

Dashiva says, 'cause mages cant immolate as well'

LadyAce says to Ganymede, 'I think trees probably qualifies as a reconception, from some distance in fact, but that doesn't make it a quick coding job'

Kosminski looks up into the sky and ponders.

Dashiva says, 'there's resist acid item. but there's no acid weapons or spells'

Fuego says to Gondar, 'you have never seen a con fighter damcap? lol what the hell is wrong with you? :P'

Kosminski giggles.

Ganymede says, 'mages have armor, str, bless, whatever spells, and bind, and so on, things that are very effective against mages'

Ganymede says, 'er against fighers'

Kosminski says, 'my con/mind char damcapped with all old +dam gear 2 years ago'

Ea! says to Dashiva, 'there are certainly acid-wielding mobs.'

Ganymede says, 'but what does a fighter have in his arsenal that can combat magic effectively?'

Kosminski says, 'ya Aengus'

Zafira says to Ganymede, 'bash'

LadyAce says, 'tumbling spells, which is irritating to my mage at least'

Dashiva says to Ea!, 'I can think of two hehe, midir,and the casablanca mob, oh yea and aengus'

Kosminski nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kosminski says, 'hate that'

Dashiva says, 'two of those you will never attack'

Kosminski says, 'i hate the resurge in stun too'

Ganymede says to Zafira, 'you'll get one bash in, the mage will stand up and wfw you, or flee'

Kosminski says, 'i think i hate that more than anything'

LadyAce says, 'str/dex seems like a good combo against a mage, with some mind'

Dashiva says, 'heh'

LadyAce says, 'maybe 50 mind or so, reasonable con, some scrolls.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Kosminski says to LadyAce, 'it is, except when they flee and cure crit 4 times'

Sandra says, 'well, if theyw fw you, when you wake, flee and go hit all th ehealers, run them out of mana.'

Dashiva says, '50con 100str/dex? and high mind'

Zafira says, 'it is true that the advantages of being a specialist, especially a straight fighter, are few'

LadyAce says, 'well, I'd chase 'em down before they had a chance to do that'

Dashiva chuckles politely.

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'hah! how about the fighter tumbles your stun, then bashes you and pounds on you for 3 round'

Ganymede says, 'I think the stat reqs on inspire should be lowered'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'can go either way'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Ganymede's head.

Kosminski says to LadyAce, 'in a safe room>'

Kosminski says, 'cure crit a few, drink chalice, recall the fighter and finish him'

LadyAce says to Kosminski, 'big cheaters, then. people who flee and heal in safe rooms get a nice big reject from me'

Kosminski nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kosminski says to LadyAce, 'what about 1 person rooms?'

Fuego says, 'if i have to heal, i invis'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Fuego.

Sandra nods her agreement with Fuego.

Ganymede says, 'healing in the middle of a fight is lame any way you slice it'

Ganymede shrugs philosophically.

Fuego says, 'which is more then fair cause it costs me the mana'

Gondar says, 'say that to the augmentors :)'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'yeah whatever you say...'

Kosminski says, 'what about druids'

Ganymede says, 'hey, sorry, but it is'

Tirasala reads message #21 on the welcome board.

LadyAce says, 'druids should learn to run and augment and run some more :)'

Dashiva says, 'healing is a tactic, tactics are made to outsmart your opponent, I dont support in game healing mobs, but if you can heal yourself via skills its all ood'

Dashiva says, 'good even'

Sandra says, 'I don't mind healing in regular fights. It bugs me some in a duel tho'

Fuego says to Ganymede, 'that is what a person needs to do to survive, you expect a dex mage to outlast a con fighter without healing? yeah right'

LadyAce pictures little fat bearded men with their legs scrambling like cartoon characters :)

Fuego says, 'i would LOOOVE to see that one'

Paralyze Bug, Huh?

Kosminski says, '2 questions, first is simple - can Ea! explain the bug with paralyze and the fix, and how it will shorten the length of paras...? Kaige says, 'basically it was checking the wrong person...'

Kosminski says, 'but why would that make it last longer?'

Kosminski says, 'it would think you were already awake?'

Kosminski says, 'and exit checking?'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kosminski.

Ea! says, 'Basically.'

Kaige says, 'it was checking the person attacking instead of the person being attacked, so it failed that check so it thought you were already awake'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kosminski says, 'ok cool fix'

Kosminski says, 'same thing in wfw/choke stuns?'

Ea! says, 'It was only one of the checks, not all of them, which is why people came out of them eventually.'

Kaige says, 'and that was the answer given at a previous Q&A about a mort restring command'

Ea! says, 'No, it was only with paralysis, not stun.'

Kosminski says, 'or only paralyze'

Player Restring Command?

Kosminkski says, 'second question, what about player command to do re-strings...?'

Ganymede says, 'a player command to do restrings could be misused'

Kosminski says, 'player re-strings - how can it be misused?'

Kosminski says, 'if its already an approved string'

LadyAce says, 'zip, for example'

Kosminski says, 'make it check against zips'

Kosminski says, 'and not work'

LadyAce says, 'or strung coupons, or little dolls'

LadyAce says, 'or strung food'

Kosminski says, 'same, not work on dolls'

Ganymede says, 'you could string your shield to "a shiny golden shield" and then restring it to your hat :P'

Gondar says, 'strung food?'

LadyAce says, 'strung eq on mobs, it's all over the place'

Dashiva snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'also a lot of times when we restring stuff it's not automatically set to be restrung, so we have to fix it by hand first anyway'

Kosminski says to Ganymede, 'you can do that now'

Kosminski says to Kaige, 'ah'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Fuego says, 'oh who cares about the restring, there is almost ALWAYS an immort on... a restring is not a big deal to wait for'

Ganymede nods his agreement with Fuego.

Kosminski says, 'ya but i hate being over rent for 1 second'

Fuego says, 'my turn! :)'

Dashiva takes off his cackling jack-o-lantern.

LadyAce says, 'if you're worried about access to an imm for a restring, get the string strung to storage in advance'

HP/MA/MV Code Changes Too?

Fuego says, 'so is there going to be a code change to balance the loss of +hp gear? it would be horrible for mages that have the min req of con to have maybe 350 hps at level 50'

Ea! nods his agreement with Fuego.

Kosminski says, 'whats the change if you can say'

Fuego says, 'or even so, a 100 con fighter with only 530 hps'

Kosminski says, 'or highlight it'

Kosminski says, '100 con is about 570'

Ea! says, 'There will be, but I won't promise that it'll solve all your problems for all of your characters.'

Fuego says, 'and ESPECIALLY 85 con snipers'

Fuego winks suggestively.

Gondar says, 'up the average hp per level per con point?'

Ea! says, 'And, no, I won't say what it is yet.'

Kosminski cackles gleefully at Ea! - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Dashiva says, 'its like 3.65 atm?'

Dashiva says, 'per 1 con at 50'

Dashiva looks up into the sky and ponders.

Fuego says, 'could i make a suggestion though?'

Kosminski nods his agreement with Fuego.

Ea! says, 'You can always make suggestions.'

Fuego says, 'to get rid of all +hp/+dam/+hit gear and make it all based on stats'

Zafira nods her agreement with Fuego.

Kosminski says, 'hmm loss of variety though'

Fuego says, 'would help the spec problem'

Dashiva says, 'yea'

Dashiva says, 'then we become stale mud =('

Kosminski says, 'what would we do with all the extra rent?'

Zafira says, 'most of the new hp/hit/dam gear won't be used if the stats are bad'

Vidar says, 'Go back to spam gear'

Fuego says, 'nah, we could have it do cool stuff, like some resists'

Vidar grins evilly.

Ganymede says, 'just having no more +hit and +dam would not make it stale :P'

Dashiva says, 'and no hp?'

Dashiva says, 'everyone would be clones, no variety'

Ganymede says, 'there's plenty of variety already in the system without +hp/hit/dam gear'

Dashiva says, 'utopiaMUD'

Dashiva nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Ea! says, 'That'd be an area change, not a code change.'

Ganymede says to Dashiva, 'nah'

Zafira says, 'as long as there is balance between char types, there will be variety'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'not really, without +dam gear, 23 damroll wont cut it'

Dashiva nods solemnly.

Ganymede says, 'I think str people should get more natural damroll'

Fuego says, 'me too'

Zafira nods her agreement with Ganymede.

Zafira ponders her measly 27 dam.

Zafira shudders to herself.

Ganymede comforts Zafira.

Dashiva has 1 =)

Fuego says, 'i want to see when not having either dex/str/con hurts you'

Dashiva says, 'wait no 3'

Dashiva snickers softly.

Zafira goes EEK! at Dashiva in distress - isn't Dashiva an awful person for teasing?

Sandra says, 'then we'll get complaints of the many many str mages that will tear apart str fighters with wfw and tons of damroll, no thanks'

Fuego says, 'if you dont have str, you dont hit hard'

Dashiva nods his agreement with Fuego.

Ganymede nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'if you dont have con, you dont have as many hps as the other'

Fuego says, 'if you dont have dex, you cant flee or dodge attacks, which makes you get hit harder'

Fuego says, 'thats not the case now'

Fuego says, 'without strength, im still set'

Fuego pokes the Gae-Bolg - It's dead, Fuego.

Ganymede says, 'yeah that would be pretty much the idea...the problem is, the natural advantages of str and con fighters are obtainable by people with high numbers in neither'

Fuego says, 'withough con, i still have hps'

Fuego pokes a lion's scalp - It's dead, Fuego.

Fuego pokes a Kraken trophy belt - It's dead, Fuego.

Kosminski says, 'ya i posted about that on desc board while back'

Kosminski says, '100 dex 50 str hits harder than 100 str 50 dex in normal combat'

Zafira says, 'high stat fighter skills...oh yeah, skilltrees'

LadyAce says, 'thanks for all your patience, guys :)'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

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