September 30th, 2004

Sandra says, 'well, people should consider that without targets, they won't have jack shit to do for pk'

Scathniamh gasps at Sandra.

Cypri smiles happily.

Hp says, 'but their are a lot of targets'

Sandra says, 'be mean all you want. But be fair'

Scathniamh says, 'offended! i'm offended!'

Cypri smiles at Sana.

Hp says, 'i have a list of about 20 good targets actually'

Scathniamh cries on Cypri's shoulder.

Sandra giggles.

Cypri comforts Scathniamh.

Scathniamh says to Cypri, 'sandra...she...she...she said the s word!'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Cypri gasps in astonishment.

Cypri looks about accusingly.

Cypri blushes as she sees Sandra here.

Cypri says, 'oh'

Scathniamh giggles.

Sana says, 'which s word'

Sandra says, 'Sana'

Sandra says, 'oh I said it again!'

Sana says, 'oooo that is bad'

Sandra nods her agreement with Sana.

Scathniamh says, 'the one where you hold your tongue and say "I was born on a pirate's ship" and you say something bad instead'

Scathniamh gasps in astonishment.

Scathniamh covers her eyes with her hands.

Sandra giggles.

Scathniamh says, 'oh man, i miss elementary school'

Scathniamh mopes around, depressed.

Sandra says, 'well anyway. I will probably have a pk thing some time soon and then I get to tear some new orifaces'

Scathniamh cheers wildly!

Cypri says, 'oh oh'

Sana says, 'whats a pk thing'

Cypri says, 'so, daunte's inferno is going in? is it going to have nine circles?'

Sandra says, 'another meeting'

Cypri says, 'or all nine'

Sana says, 'oh'

Sana says, 'remind me to ditch'

Sana says, 'i mean'

Sandra says, 'it's damn huge'

Sana says, '...'

Hp says, 'hrmm some good targets... Brutus, Anu, Trousers, Chandler, Doc,Fortuna,Galactus,Geraden, Senusret,Shmeck,Spar,Torne,Vendetta are all pretty good targets'

Sandra giggles at Sana.

Talia has begun to lurk.

Scathniamh rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Talia pets Static lovingly.

Sandra says, 'not all of those are pke'

Static says to Talia, 'Yeah screw that :P'

Hp says, 'thats just off the top of my head'

Scathniamh says to Hp, 'you shouldn't jump pants. did you hear what he did to galactus?'

Sana says, 'just dont 2 on 1 brutus'

Talia nods her agreement with Static.

Hp says, 'still all good targets'

Sandra says, 'yea, til they reject you'

Talia says, 'you had a rough couple days'

Scathniamh says to Hp, 'he screwed up Galactus' align, so he couldn't wield his weapon.'

Hp says, 'ohh no would never 2 on 1 brutus'

Scathniamh rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Static says to Talia, 'I could handle it once... but then having it happen again while i was afk :P'

Hp says, 'maybe 3 on 1 him'

Sandra says, 'hah evil'

Talia nods her agreement with Static.

Geraden says, 'except when hey get tired of being multied and then haveing people rent'

Geraden shrugs helplessly.

Talia says to Static, 'daikata is stupid.'

Talia says, 'somteimes'

Scathniamh gasps at Kaige.

Hp licks Kaige.

Kaige wrinkles her nose at Hp.

Sana says, '2 on 1ing brutus just wont turn out good'

Cypri laughs.

Scathniamh whistles appreciatively.

Hp says to Static, 'Well think im pretty much packed, all cept for my laptop.'

Cypri says, 'I miss pking'

Cypri says, 'since I play at work far too often'

Cypri sighs loudly.

Static says to Hp, 'Cool.'

Sandra says, 'ok, lets get goin on the qna thingie'

Static says to Hp, 'Remember cables, im missing 1.'

Sandra says, 'raise your hand if you have questions'

Hp says, 'bringing 3 extra cabls'

Scathniamh says to Cypri, 'get a real job.'

Scathniamh sticks her tongue out at Cypri. =P

Sandra points at Cypri.

Cypri makes a face at Scathniamh.

Cypri says, 'okay, so uh, dauntes' inferno, is it going to be in ancient? and is it goingt o have all nine circles? (clearly excited)'

Sandra giggles.

Hp says, 'going to be in med i bet'

Talia says, 'medievil...'

Cypri says, 'medi?'

Darktalon says, 'the time it was written would put it more in med'

Cypri says, 'would it?'

Darktalon says, 'yep'

Cypri says, 'It would, nm'

Cypri laughs at her own folly.

Sandra says, 'it's pretty fully loaded'

Hp snickers at Static nastily.

Cypri says, 'yea, exciting'

Kaige says, 'it's Dante's, Medieval, and yes, all 9 are represented I believe.'

Cypri cheers wildly!

Kaige nods her agreement with Darktalon.

Cypri says, 'k that's it, I'm really here to watch'

Cypri blushes bright red.

Scathniamh says, 'is it going to be a solo place?'

Hp says, 'yeah right'

Cypri laughs.

Cypri says, 'no'

Scathniamh says, 'or group place? or what?'

Hp says, 'parts of it maybe'

Cypri says, 'I hope not'

Static says, 'kae has said it starts solo and ends group'

Kaige says, 'the best thing to do is explore cautiously on Saturday.'

Sandra says, 'you will have to check it out ;)'

Kaige stresses cautiously!

Talia pets Horror lovingly.

Horror chuckles politely at Kaige.

Scathniamh taunts Horror mercilessly.

Horror snickers at Scathniamh nastily.

Darktalon says, 'as long as it's not a maze'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'we were just talking about you.'

Darktalon grumbles.

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Scathniamh says, 'maze. ew.'

Horror says, 'oh goddy'

Cypri says, 'I'm so excited, I just can't hide it'

Hp snickers at Horror nastily.

Cypri makes a face at Scathniamh.

Horror says, 'what about?'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra points at Darktalon.

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'your pkness.'

Horror says, 'what about it?'

Darktalon says, 'how feasible would it be to add a config option so the tell buffer catches gtells as well as regular ones?'

Hp joins Static's group.

Sandra says, 'hm, that I dunno. Idea it?'

Kaige says, 'it'd definitely fill up faster.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Darktalon says, 'yeah that's why it would be optional'

Darktalon says, 'as a config'

Scathniamh says, 'new prompt line was designated now..'

Sandra says, 'depending on your group anyway'

Darktalon nods his agreement with Sandra.

Scathniamh says, 'eer, earlier.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Scathniamh says, 'depending on if I'm in the group'

Scathniamh says to Sandra, 'come on, you know you were thinking it.'

Scathniamh giggles.

Sana says, 'we should just make seperate say catchers and gt catchers and chat catchers'

Sandra says, 'or Wren :P'

Cypri laughs.

Horror winces.

Kaige says, 'I use tf to catch a backlog of things beyond tells, gtells, channel messages, etc.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sana says, 'thats something ff did you had your regular text window thing and you could seerate it into each category of talky things'

Sandra says, 'love that 50k line backscroll'

Scathniamh says, 'tf?'

Sana mutters under her breath.

Kaige says, 'tinyfugue'

Scathniamh says, 'eer. ff?'

Scathniamh says, 'oh.'

Scathniamh says, 'odd.'

Scathniamh says, 'I know ff is typically final fantasy'

Sana says, 'yeap'

Scathniamh says, 'but i think you're talking something else.'

Scathniamh says, 'or not?'

Scathniamh says, 'stop confusing me'

Sana says, 'she was i wasnt'

Scathniamh bursts into tears.

Geraden bows before Haley.

Horror tickles Haley.

Haley smiles at Geraden.

Kaige says, 'don't know what ff is, but I know Rapscallion can be set to pipe everything out to separate channels like that too'

Scathniamh says to Sandra, 'why don't people just say what they mean?'

Cypri blushes bright red.

Sandra says, 'they wouldn't be human'

Talia gives Haley a great big smooch!

Sana says, 'while largely inferior to legend ff did have a few neat things about it'

Hp says, 'no Huginn tonight huh?'

Sana says, 'yeah wheres huggy bear.'

Sandra says, 'not just yet. He'll be on shortly'

Sana sniffs sadly.

Hp nods solemnly.

Scathniamh burps loudly.

Sandra says, 'ok, gonna move on'

Sandra points at Hp.

Scathniamh points at Hp.

Hp says, 'yeah no question anymore'

Hp says, 'i forgot'

Scathniamh laughs.

Sandra giggles.

Hp scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Scathniamh points at Horror.

Sandra points at Horror.

Horror says, 'what?'

Scathniamh laughs.

Horror says, 'oh ok..'

Scathniamh shhhs.

Horror says, 'is the corrosive death spellbook in the game, and can i get a time period if it is?'

Sana says, 'dont let qna end while I go oow for a second! also any cool code updates?'

Horror winces.

Sandra looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sana stares deeply into Horror's eyes... you wonder if you're intruding.

Cheyla says, 'no, soon'

Hp nods his agreement with Horror.

Horror says, 'inferno!'

Hp says, 'good question'

Kaige says, 'I think everythings internal this week.'

Horror sweeps Cheyla into a romantic waltz - aren't they a striking couple?

Sana says, 'yeah that things seems neat but I get 1 in 50 attempts to cast off'

Horror says to Cheyla, 'Ty.'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror says, 'yeah'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Horror.

Sandra says, 'yea, sorry it's taken so long'

Cheyla smiles happily.

Sana says, 'i might as well just through a pile of condensed mana at them'

Horror says, 'its waayyy underpowered for us old people :P'

Horror nods to herself.

Horror says, 'tho the tick dam rocks'

Sandra thanks Horror heartily.

Horror hugs Sandra.

Scathniamh runs around the room in circles, squealing loudly.

Horror says to Sandra, 'I love you.'

Sandra giggles.

Horror grovels before Sandra.

Horror blinks.

Kaige gnaws on a bottle of extra-strength Excedrin - what a Neanderthal.

Sandra says, 'was glad I was able to make it. I totally stole it from asheron's call :P'

Scathniamh cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Scathniamh tugs on Kaige's sleeve imploringly.

Horror nods her agreement with Sandra.

Horror throws her head back and cackles gleefully!

Sandra points at Sana.

Sana says, 'wheres wren!'

Scathniamh laughs.

Sandra says, 'um, on her way to work'

Sana says, 'bloody hell'

Sandra says, 'she should be on in an hour :P'

Cypri laughs.

Sandra says, 'at least, on aim in an hour'

Horror licks Axis.

Sandra points at Horror.

Sana says, 'aim needs an offline answering machine'

Cypri prances in circles around Axis, smiling happily.

Kaige no longer looks quite as distracted.

Horror says, 'ok....'

Sandra nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror says, 'this is more of a gripe'

Sandra says, 'send her a note and i"ll tell her to get it'

Horror says, 'Dispel miss's like 50% now'

Sandra says, 'I reserve the right to slay people for gripes. It's Sandra Slay Day'

Horror says, 'whats up with that'

Sandra says, 'the casted spell?'

Horror says, 'is it mind based now?'

Horror says, 'yeah dispel magic'

Horror says, 'i get one off 50% of the time now'

Horror says, 'it fails alot'

Sana says, 'it fails now?'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror says, 'yup'

Sana says, 'or your chanting fails?'

Horror says, 'no the spell'

Sana says, 'umm'

Cypri looks up into the sky and ponders.

Sana says, 'poo'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror says, '50% is alot inho'

Sandra says, 'sec'

Horror says, 'at least thats what im seeing'

Horror shrugs philosophically.

Horror hugs Huginn.

Sandra says, 'reask the question'

Sandra giggles.

Sana says, 'considering that spell is life or death if you land it or not'

Horror says, 'ok....'

Horror says, 'dispel magic is fail alot, something like 50% on me, i know that i got lower mind, will uping my mind help that?'

Horror winks suggestively at Sandra.

Horror says, 'better?'

Sandra giggles.

Scathniamh says, 'recently.'

Scathniamh says, 'fail a lot recently'

Horror says, 'yeah im seeing that'

Horror says, 'or is it random?'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'i mean, you needed to say that there'd been a change, i think. helps her understandy.'

Horror wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Sandra says, 'I'm gonna go with 'yes''

Sandra giggles.

Horror laughs.

Horror says, 'er...'

Horror says, 'is there a fail rate at 100 mind?'

Kaige woudl go with experiment with higher mind and see if it improves your success rate.

Horror says, 'like 90% sucsess?'

Horror snickers softly.

Horror nods her agreement with Kaige.

Huginn says, 'there's always a chance to fail'

Horror says, 'yeah i get that'

Horror says, 'what im asking'

Horror says, 'is...'

Sandra says, 'but yea, give it a go with the different mind setups and see which you feel is spiff'

Horror says, 'does high mind lower fail chance?'

Horror nods solemnly.

Horror says, 'ok ty'

Horror says, 'that works'

Sandra smiles happily.

Sana says, 'the drop off popint is gonna be set to 1 more mind than I have'

Sana coughs loudly.

Sana winks suggestively at Horror.

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Sandra says, 'on purpose, of course'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Sandra winks suggestively at Sana.

Sandra points at Sana.

Sana says, 'i know the imms are just trying to keep me down'

Sana says, 'okay so'

Horror says, 'afk a min, smoking then i got a few more...'

Sana says, 'can I get set to be a cause mage and have my name changed to cheesydexmageloser, or cookiecuttermoldcharacter?'

Horror says, 'no slaying the afk girl please :P'

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Scathniamh bonks Sana on the head!

Sana says, 'actually, wall of winds seems pretty umm, not worth it'

Cypri nods her agreement with Sana.

Static says, 'sastram/greaves/hook is the new cookie cutter char, anyway'

Sana says, 'I brought this up like a while back and i dont think anything got dooone'

Cypri says, 'way lame, that spell'

Tweety yells, 'Heeewp! Heeewp! Gwanny!'

Sana says, 'too small a switch target rate for the huge burn me to death rate you get, or am I confusing spells'

Sana says, 'umm lets move on, forget it'

Cypri giggles.

Sandra laughs.

Sandra says, 'no confusing the Sandra'

Sandra points at Hp.

Hp says, 'Does legend support the grouping of players?'

Cypri says, 'I think you should be able to move at least a few rooms with the wall of winds on'

Sandra says, 'is this a trick question?'

Cypri ponders Hp's existence.

Hp says, 'no'

Cypri says, 'doesn't it?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Hp says, 'just wondered'

Cypri says, 'people always group'

Sana says, 'lemme go check something'

Cypri is completely boggled by the concept.

Sandra says, 'you've been here um, 8 years?'

Cypri nods her agreement with Sandra.

Cypri smirks.

Static says, 'seems like a perfectly valid question to me'

Sandra says, 'lets jump over to the point of your question ;)'

Hp says, 'so like if two people where to group to kill something , their is no problem with it?'

Cypri says, 'has there ever been?'

Sana says, 'ookay yeah so it gives a huuuuge flame damage increase and umm doesnt do what its supposed to do very much'

Hp says, 'just getting clearification'

Sana says, 'ps wtf is the 'null' status?'

Cheyla says, 'depends on what you're gonna kill?'

Hp says, 'how so?'

Cypri says, 'I don't get the question then'

Chocorua says, 'i'm wondering what you are actually asking'

Cheyla says, 'if it's another player... then it follows the pk rules'

Cypri nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Sandra says, 'mobs don't get made and quit when you kill them 5 times and take all their eq :)'

Sandra says, 'brb'

Cheyla says, 'if you're playing the xpgame, no, you're not supposed to group'

Static says, 'i thought the rule with pk... was there were no rules'

Kaige says, 'and etiquette as well'

Sana says, 'hahaha'

Hp says, 'actually Hassan and Devin have never looted a single person'

Cypri says, 'oh pk wise?'

Sana says, 'theres tons of rules with pk'

Hp says, 'ever'

Cheyla says, 'otherwise, i'm curious as to the situiation YOU are thinking of'

Sana says, 'plenty of imm rules and twice as many player enforced rules'

Huginn says, 'sorry what's the question here?'

Kaige says, 'the first rule should be make sure your opponents are having fun so you can be sure to have fun in the future'

Scathniamh says to Sandra, 'are two people asking questions here?'

Cheyla says to Huginn, 'Whether we support grouping.'

Hp says, 'just wondering if legend supports the grouping of players or is more leaning toward the solo player'

Scathniamh says, 'I'm getting all confused with the grouping and the spell conversations going on at once.'

Kaige says to Hp, 'Well, if we didn't, we wouldn't have a group command.'

Sana says, 'yeah umm thats my fault i didnt know i lost my turn'

Hp says, 'alright good deal'

Scathniamh says, 'I don't think you did.'

Cypri says, 'yeah, of course groups are suppiorted'

Rusalka slowly fades into thin air.

Cypri says, 'they always have been'

Cypri shakes her head.

Scathniamh says, 'I think he asked while you were asking.'

Static says, 'glad we got that cleared up'

Kaige says to Hp, 'But your question seems a lot more loaded than just simply that.'

Cypri nods her agreement with Kaige.

Static nods his agreement with Hp.

Cypri says, 'i still don't feel I get it'

Static says, 'sounds like it to me'

Horror says, 'sorry missed the question, can whomever repeat it please?'

Hp nods his agreement with Static.

Sandra says, 'there are rules for pk as there have always been. There is also etiquette. And there is also respect for other players so that they are enjoying pk too'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'we have two questions going on.'

Horror says, 'ok....'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'on the one case, there's the relevence of grouping. and on the other, it's the wall of winds spell.'

Cypri says to Scathniamh, 'we have one, the grouping of people in legend.'

Scathniamh says to Cypri, 'do we?'

Sandra says, 'as i said at the beginning, if you run them all off, you won't have anyone else to kill.'

Cypri says to Scathniamh, 'wall of winds dropped forever ago.'

Sandra says, 'so to answer your question'

Scathniamh says, 'it so did not.'

Horror says, 'ahh i would like to see WOW more useful'

Cypri says, 'it so did'

Static says, 'their hate will make them stay'

Cypri nods her agreement with Horror.

Hp says, 'ohh kaige answered it quite clearly'

Sandra says, 'good, coz I wasn't gonna be that nice about it ;)'

Cypri laughs.

Kaige says, 'glad you think so, cause i'm still a bit unsure of what EXACTLY your question is.'

Cypri laughs.

Hp says, 'has pk not been on a rise sense Devin and Hassan have been around?'

Scathniamh hugs Kaige.

Kaige has answered at least three different angles on it.

Sandra says, 'you've cost pk 4 players'

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'that's okay. i missed a lot somewhere in there.'

Huginn says, 'no not really'

Sandra says, 'so no'

Sana says, 'i think it was a sublte attempt to deal with some flak they have been getting lately'

Hp rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Horror says, 'who left?'

Static says, 'i guess its a good thing i dont really care... then'

Sana says, 'yeah who left?'

Hp says, 'yeah who left'

Sana says, '...'

Sandra says, 'it's up to them to say so'

Sana says, 'aside from me'

Sana says, 'and merc'

Kaige says, 'then yeah. I think my answer of "rule #1. Make sure everyone is having fun" is about as clear as I can make it.'

Sana says, 'and umm stain'

Sana says, 'and everyone else cool'

Scathniamh giggles at Sana.

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Scathniamh says to Sana, 'exactly why i'm not pk. i'm too cool.'

Scathniamh struts proudly.

Horror says, 'i think this...'

Trousers is completely boggled.

Scathniamh knocks Trousers over and flops all over him.

Horror says, 'wolfpacking is been around for years.... thats what they have multis for'

Static says, 'i recall being told when i pke enabled that there was a possibility of being multied, looted, and perma'd - and i agreed to accept that risk'

Trousers says, 'I'm so confused...'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Hp nods his agreement with Horror.

Static says, 'was that a different agreement for me then others?'

Huginn says, 'there is.. its legal'

Hp says, 'its all about the wolfpacking and multis'

Sandra says, 'sure, possibility. Not requirement.'

Huginn says, 'but its also destructive'

Chocorua says, 'read rule number 14'

Huginn says, 'so you want to destroy that part of the game, we won't stop you'

Static says, 'thats good'

Sana says, 'why are you both evil, i cant tell who is tlking'

Scathniamh says, 'what's illegal?'

Chocorua says, 'if you manage to make a big enough ass outa yerself there will have to be something done'

Hp says, 'never destroyed it before'

Scathniamh blinks.

Huginn laughs at Hp.

Sandra says, 'yea go right ahead. We can just pull it and get it over with. I'm tired of fighting for you buncha whiny ass little jerks anyway'

Sana says, 'yeah you cant have too much fun or you will wind up like ronnie'

Static says, 'huggy just said it wont be stopped'

Sana pokes Hp in the ribs.

Huginn nods his agreement with Sandra.

Horror says, 'omg'

Hp snickers at Sana nastily.

Horror says, 'dont you dare yank it'

Horror says, 'that would suck so bad'

Sandra says, 'then I suggest you talk with your clanmates'

Huginn says, 'what hp doesn't understand'

Chocorua peers at Sandra, looking her up and down.

Sandra says to Chocorua, 'Scary isn't it? :)'

Chocorua nods his agreement with Sandra.

Huginn says, 'is that the former pkill base was much bigger'

Chocorua is gonna go wake up now

Scathniamh says, 'The biggest threat I see to PK is the CATA wimps who reject all, then kill required mobs. But, that's just me.'

Sana says, 'ive seen it before!'

Sandra says, 'you're making me agree with Choc. DAMN YOU!'

Horror says, 'ok then huggy'

Huginn says, 'the lose of one player from that time was a smaller percentage lose'

Static says, 'uhh yeah how is you guys pulling old pk, then ignoring complaints and driving everyone away our fault?'

Huginn shrugs helplessly.

Horror says, 'i understand that'

Static says, 'then sticking it back in and saying "JUST KIDDING - PK AGAIN"'

Hp says, 'but you never really lost a player, they just remade and got back at you'

Static says, 'yeah gg, thanks for coming out'

Huginn says to Static, 'You want a good example of someone who make it more fun?'

Horror says, 'wolfpacking make for good wars imho'

Chocorua says to Hp, 'We've lost a LOT of pkillers over the years.'

Sandra says, 'hey it was a LOT of work getting pke put back in. You don't even know the arguments we've had over it'

Huginn says to Static, 'Look at allegory and malandrino.'

Hp says, 'thats because of changes'

Huginn says to Static, 'They're fun to fight..'

Talia smirks.

Sandra says, 'but if you think that for one single instant, I won't go right over and ask choc to yank it again because you all can't grow the hell up, W.R.O.N.G.'

Sana pokes Huginn in the ribs.

Sana coughs loudly to herself trying to get Huginn's attention.

Huginn says to Static, 'They jump they get jumped.'

Scathniamh hugs Sandra.

Cypri says, 'seems to me things change too often'

Chocorua says to Sandra, 'Very few keystrokes.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Huginn says, 'and sana is crazy'

Horror laughs.

Sana says, 'allegory malandrino and sana you mean'

Horror nods her agreement with Huginn.

Talia nods her agreement with Huginn.

Horror says, 'i jump and get jumped too!'

Huginn says, 'she'll jump groups at the drop of a hat'

Horror says, 'all the time :P'

Trousers nods his agreement with Horror.

Trousers says, 'It's fun'

Horror says, 'yes'

Cypri laughs.

Huginn says, 'not wait until she has a clanmate on'

Static says, 'well you guys gotta do what you guys gotta do... if you're gonna punish players for playing within the framework you've set'

Huginn shrugs helplessly.

Static says, 'then so be it'

Horror says, 'and i have wolfpack and gotten wolfpacked too'

Huginn says to Static, 'If you're willing to drive people away, that's on you too.'

Horror says, 'dont see me pitching a bitch about it'

Sana says, 'ill jump groups of clanmates, those are the most fun anyways'

Sandra nods her agreement with Huginn.

Sana ignores everything, lost in her own little world.

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror says, 'charmie power!'

Hp nods his agreement with Sana.

Trousers says, 'And me an horror can still go and kill mobs together. That's true PKing - fun jumps, occasional wars, and the ability to chill with each other.'

Trousers licks Horror.

Horror nods her agreement with Trousers.

Hp says, 'like when devin and hassan jumped brutus, anu, and hrmm i think it was like vendetta or somethin'

Horror says, 'i get along with almost all pke people'

Talia says, 'I think I've been jumped by sana twice in the last week'

Horror says, 'when not keeling them'

Horror says, 'tho i have respect too'

Trousers says, 'They got dayer, and tossed his eq all over the mud'

Sana says, 'whos dayer?'

Hp says, 'who got dayer?'

Scathniamh says, 'Too many people use pk for anger and revenge, or just to be an ass, instead of for fun.'

Horror says, 'well thats rude'

Trousers says, 'One of the underworld clan members'

Horror says, 'it fun for me'

Hp says, 'i always have fun'

Static says, 'presidential debate > this debate'

Horror says, 'tho i have had my issues'

Horror says, 'im sure everyone here is been pissed off over pk'

Sana says, 'the best fun is training newbies to pk so you can torture them and call it teaching'

Cypri says, 'I always have fun, and if ganged on, Id just alt and wait'

Horror says, 'it happens'

Hp nods his agreement with Sana.

Trousers says to Horror, 'Meh, you sicing 3 dops on me LD was hilarious.'

Horror nods her agreement with Trousers.

Horror says, 'and allegory saved your hide'

Trousers laughs.

Trousers nods solemnly.

Horror says, 'i had like 5 hps it was funny'

Trousers says, 'We watch out for each other :P'

Chocorua says, 'i think we've exhausted this topic'

Cypri nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Sandra says, 'ok so anyway, yea let's move on'

Scathniamh says to Chocorua, 'impersible.'

Scathniamh hugs Chocorua.

Sandra says, 'any other questions? Coz Dumbo is coming on the tv'

Horror says, 'ok wait'

Cypri rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Scathniamh says, 'no!'

Scathniamh says, 'but but but!'

Trousers gives Haley a huge bearhug - your ribs ache in sympathy.

Scathniamh says, 'Casper is on!'

Scathniamh bonks Sandra on the head!

Static says, 'so in synopsis... f your couch, im rick james'

Scathniamh says, 'Casper Casper Casper!'

Horror says, 'so we need to clean up pk, is that what your saying more or less?'

Sandra says, 'yes'

Trousers nods solemnly.

Chocorua says, 'clean it up yourselves or lose it'

Cypri says, 'thing about pk that scares me is stealling and not knowing items are gone'

Horror smirks.

Static says, 'well... i think the best is yet to come'

Hp snickers at Cypri nastily.

Cypri says, 'but again, part of the fun of pk right?'

Static says, 'for all involved parties'

Hp nods his agreement with Static.

Sandra says, 'oh?'

Horror says, 'ok one sec...'

Hp says, 'if anything i would think more people would join pk just to destroy devin and hassan'

Sana says, 'before you do anything just think to yourself'

Sana says, 'what would stain do?'

Trousers snickers at Hp nastily.

Horror says, 'so what are your requests to fix pk?'

Cypri laughs.

Sana says, 'and then you probably wanna go opposite of that'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror shudders.

Hp says, 'stain or Arsene?'

Sandra says, 'I wanna see people joining it, not leaving it'

Huginn says, 'that's hard to do if they won't fight unless they have an advantage'

Scathniamh says, 'less xplay would be nice.'

Sana says, 'actually think what would stain do and then do that'

Sana says, 'since he was fun'

Sana says, 'and fair'

Sana says, 'and scary'

Kaige says, 'a lot of them are posted in post 11... not sure we've really achieved what's there yet.'

Horror nods her agreement with Kaige.

Sandra points at Cypri.

Cypri says, 'so, the LT was talking about warnings and stuff, are you allowed many warnings, or were a lot of those sever warnings kicked out for a week, or what's the deal with that?'

Horror says, 'ok well then maybe warnings should be handed out and temp pk loss be handed out to maybe explain to the problem player what needs to happen'

Scathniamh gasps in astonishment.

Scathniamh cheers for Horror - huzzah!

Kaige says, 'help violations pretty much covers the basics'

Horror says, 'yanking it just punishs the wrong poepl'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'i love that idea..'

Hp says, 'the ONLY ways out of PKE are PERMADEATH and REDEMPTION. ** THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THESE **'

Scathniamh hugs Horror.

Cypri nods her agreement with Kaige.

Hp says, 'and redemption is for the weak of heart'

Asterix gives a wedding invitation from Asterix to Cypri.

Cheyla says, 'choc says he'll be right back to talk about the article, he's trying to put together a burrito for dinner'

Scathniamh gasps at Asterix.

Horror laughs.

Horror says, 'mmmm'

Sana says, 'you know you could do a one sided yanking, i remember that happened to someone before, they cant fight back but they can sure get beat on'

Asterix says, 'yes?'

Trousers says to Cheyla, 'Is your poofin still the snowball one?'

Horror cheers for Sana - huzzah!

Scathniamh says, 'who's getting married!?'

Cypri gives a wedding invitation from Asterix to Asterix.

Cypri says, 'nice'

Chocorua says, 'sorry was afk a sec'

Cypri whistles appreciatively.

Asterix says to Scathniamh, 'i am :P'

Horror nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Scathniamh gasps in astonishment.

Horror says, 'i had an idea'

Asterix says, 'read the news board ;)'

Horror says, 'choc'

Huginn says to Sana, 'We can set your axioms to 1! that's cool.'

Scathniamh says to Asterix, 'helen keller?'

Sandra says to Hp, 'Am well aware of the rule I helped right. But you really don't want to push the limits. You won't win. And you know me well enough.'

Cypri says, 'oh oh'

Horror chuckles politely.

Huginn says, 'the bottom line is pkill takes a lot of energy'

Huginn says, 'from all parties'

Trousers says, 'And that's why it is a good experience'

Sandra says, 'and it's a very short command to turn it off completely'

Huginn says, 'you screw it up for your own pleasure, it won't be there for someone else'

Scathniamh says, 'what do you imms think about horror's idea?'

Huginn says, 'its not old school to multi and loot someone'

Horror says, 'hold on sandra'

Sana says, 'and then you get to sit there while we do lame things like rp fights to you'

Huginn says, 'regardless of what you might have been told'

Chocorua says, 'sounds like people answered was there more i could clarify?'

Hp says, 'yeah but the thing is we could give a rats ass about the someone else part'

Horror says, 'yanking it still only punishes the wrong people'

Scathniamh tugs on Chocorua's sleeve imploringly.

Sandra says, 'wellthen you don't deserve to pk'

Horror says, 'disable them for a time or site ban then for time'

Scathniamh says, 'would it be a step in the right direction to hand out sort of...pk warnings?'

Cypri says, 'pk is what makes mud better than other things'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Horror.

Kaige says, 'personally I think the pk community needs to better deal with issues like this themselves too. If a GM doesn't like what a clan member is doing... outcast 'em!'

Cypri says, 'other muds'

Horror chuckles politely.

Cypri says, 'pk warnings would be best'

Sana says, 'outcast is for losers'

Sana says, 'when i have a problem ill just perma someone'

Hp says, 'but what if the gm does approve!?'

Hp throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Axis says, 'blah'

Horror snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'if the GM approves, go for it... just realizes that the OTHER pk people might not agree and therefore you'll find yourselves with less targets and less fun'

Cypri says, 'yeah, I'd be very sad if pk was yanked'

Scathniamh says, 'I think yanking someone's PK status for a week, or making a pkok who violates it pke, would be a great way to make people on the right track'

Cypri cries on Scathniamh's shoulder.

Hp says, 'good'

Hp says, 'war is good'

Hp says, 'war is awesome'

Horror says, 'i got another idea'

Sandra says, 'hey guess what'

Sandra says, 'no more pk for hp'

Scathniamh says, 'eer, aa. not pke'

Hp says, 'roast beef?'

Sandra says, 'anyone else?'

Scathniamh hugs Sandra.

Kaige says to Scathniamh, 'A week would do nothing. A month, probably not much. they'd sit and taunt from the sidelines.'

Hp rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Cypri says, 'it would though,'

Kaige says, 'the best punishment is from other people in their own community.'

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'but too often is everyone punished for one person's crimes.'

Scathniamh says, 'or one group of people'

Trousers says, 'okay I'm outta here before Sandra eats me.'

Horror says, 'then your talking multis kaige'

Trousers cowers in fear of Sandra's wrath!

Trousers waves happily.

Hp rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Hp rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Scathniamh says, 'Most people WON'T punish, or they can't.'

Hp says, 'hassan is archive locked?'

Hp says, 'thats awesome'

Sandra nods her agreement with Hp.

Scathniamh says, 'Not everyone in the community can fight back.'

Sana says, 'i was just wondering where he went on my roster'

Kaige says, 'but people are basically lazy and that's why pkok was deemed "for wimps" by the hardcore people because suddenly their actions had longer ranging consequences that were seen sooner'

Cypri says, 'how could I punish someone who pk'd in a way I didn't approve of? as a pkok?'

Scathniamh says, 'especially if they're stronger than you.'

Horror says, 'i got another idea to help with pk'

Horror says, 'if you wanna hear it'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'i love your ideas.'

Scathniamh hugs Horror.

Cypri says, 'best thing for pk is just let people do it, it's at your own risk anyway right?'

Sana says, 'sooo why is hassan archived?'

Horror says, 'make all pke people pkok-all forever'

Cypri says, 'worst case, multi and start over'

Scathniamh says, 'but less and less people pk, Cypri'

Scathniamh says, 'That's the point.'

Chocorua says, 'i think it falls under rule 14 in help rules'

Sandra says, 'I don't really like people harrassing others just because they can. You odn't care about the ohters in pk, you don't deserve to pk. You made Choc and I agree again'

Sana says, '(#%&#( feel bad for the person on telnet and dont make me read that whole thing'

Scathniamh says, 'if you're mean, they can kick you out'

Horror says, 'ok guys enough, this is gettn out of hand'

Scathniamh says, 'Basically, Sana.'

Cypri says, 'if the person losing the fight isn't having fun, they can alt anyway? right?'

Scathniamh laughs.

Cypri says, 'leave eq for a day or two if mandatory'

Sana says, 'but he hasn't done anything recently other than voice his opinions tonight?'

Sandra says, 'nah it's a solved problem. Is there anyone else that wants to end up there? Speak up now.'

Scathniamh says, 'He has.'

Sana says, 'I mean he wasnt sexually harassing someone 10 minutes before coming here'

Chocorua says, 'making sandra agree with me on pkill issuesw should frighten all of you'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Sana says, 'well yeah'

Cypri says, 'people would pk more if the limits were closer maybe?'

Chocorua says, 'there aren't 2 people with more opposite feelings'

Sandra says, 'the only time we ever agreed was when he killed sabella'

Sana says, 'but disagreeing with imms at QnA shouldnt get you archive locked'

Kaige says to Cypri, 'The problem is when people feel they're forced to do that long term -- they're not going to come back and be a target for anyone else, because it's just not fun.'

Scathniamh says, 'that's not why he was locked..'

Chocorua says to Sandra, 'Heh.'

Sandra says to Chocorua, 'Well she did earn it :P'

Cypri says, 'I haven't played my pke in forever, because he's level 44 and it would suck to get jumped.. but that's okay, I have alts, and can wait'

Chocorua says to Sandra, 'Well .. yeah.'

Sana says, '....'

Cypri says, 'so he sneaks in from time to time right'

Sandra says, 'the thing is'

Sandra says, 'you SHOULD be able to play that alt and not be worried about getting multi'd'

Cypri says, 'not worried about multi'

Sandra says, 'of course, it should be a risk. But it shouldn't be a necessary fear'

Scathniamh says, 'which is exactly why I'll never pk.'

Cypri says, 'if I died I'd come back for eq the next day'

Chocorua says, 'i don't mind multis .. its the bullies that just get the thrill out of ruining otehr peoples days'

Sana says, 'not like you had anything to worry about on your alt anyways'

Sana pokes Cypri in the ribs.

Sandra says, 'ever notice that George bush has big ears?'

Cypri says, 'you can only get mutli'd if you keep coming back'

Sana says, 'well anyways'

Cypri says, 'if you alt, you're eq lasts for like 3 days I thought'

Cypri sighs loudly.

Cypri says, 'k nm, sorry'

Cypri smiles happily.

Sana says, 'I dont particularily approve with the timing of thier tactics either but umm'

Sana says, 'this is kinda a weak ending'

Sandra says, 'I won't stand for it'

Scathniamh says, 'the multiing?'

Sana says, 'at least wait till they do something'

Sana mutters under her breath.

Cypri says, 'the multiing?'

Sandra says, 'The blatant abuse of the system and harassment of others using it'

Scathniamh says, 'it's pure PMS. and when the mud gets midol, I'll pk'

Sana says, 'or is this a delayed response rule enforcement'

Scathniamh looks around for something to thump.

Sandra says, 'it's a delayed response'

Asterix says, 'we're losing PK?'

Sandra was hoping talking to them would fix it, it didn't.

Scathniamh says, 'No.'

Kaige says, 'it's also not an entirely isolated response.'

Asterix sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

Kaige points to rule #14.

Sana says, 'I still say my fix was best'

Asterix gently sighs with relief -- PHEW!

Cypri looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cypri says, 'rule 14?'

Cypri laughs.

Cypri says, 'hehe I tried to read it'

Cypri rolls around laughing at her own private joke.

Scathniamh says, 'if you're mean, you get kicked ou'

Scathniamh says, 'out'

Kaige says, '14. Consistent patterns of behavior inharmonious with the spirit of community at Legendmud may result in your invitation to participate in the community being revoked. Simply put -- if you can't be decent, you may not be welcome.'

Scathniamh says, 'that's what the rule says.'

Sandra says, 'all of you that pk know I'm 100% for it. But I won't stand for bullshit. Don't abuse the privledge, and don't take for granted we'll always stick up for the system.'

Chocorua says, 'that's one interpretation'

Scathniamh hugs Chocorua.

Scathniamh says to Chocorua, 'you love me, don't you?'

Scathniamh bats her eyelashes at Chocorua.

Asterix nods solemnly.

Chocorua says, 'you can be mean and evil without being a bully who destroys the game for others'

Asterix says, 'k, I am good then'

Cypri nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Scathniamh says, 'well, real mean. not mean like joking mean.'

Scathniamh says, 'or RP mean'

Scathniamh says, 'but xplay meanies.'

Sana says, 'we can also take care of ourselves though, and if we did it that way they would have no reason to complain about the imms either'

Scathniamh says, 'all raawr i'ma be mean on all my names and raaaaawr.'

Sana says, 'just get 2 or 3 people to beat them down back...oi'

Scathniamh says, 'No, Sana, some people can't.'

Cheyla says, 'except you don't take care of it yourselves'

Sandra says, 'it's obvious that you don't'

Sandra says, 'can, yes. Do, nope.'

Cypri says, 'I'd like to do a 3 on 3 4 on 4 or whatever, ... this comment is to players, so if you're setting a war, invite me if I'm on'

Sana says, 'well im not gonna take care of it in that manner'

Sana says, 'actually i already did'

Sana says, 'me horror and mercedes beat the snot out of them'

Sana says, 'but in the end they are in my clan so if someone wants to teach them a physical lesson it should be someone else'

Scathniamh says, 'Let's say Dogbert decides to multi me. Who would actually stick up for me against Dogbert, someone who'd been on for a long time?'

Sana says, 'like brutus geraden and daharma maybe'

Scathniamh says, 'You can't always take care of yourself.'

Sana says, 'I would kick dogberts ass any day of the week and for no reason'

Kaige says to Sana, 'Actually no better person than their GM to do it.'

Chocorua says to Sana, 'Actually YOU should take care of them if they are causing prolems.'

Scathniamh says to Sana, 'and when are you on? like, never.'

Sana says, 'well i can talk to them'

Scathniamh snorts derisively.

Sana says, 'but thier gm beating them down isnt the best response'

Sana says, 'and incidently ive been talking and beating them'

Kaige says to Sana, 'Since they're representing your clan and dragging your entire clan's reputation down in the muck with them.'

Huginn says, 'why not?'

Sana says, 'so neener'

Scathniamh says, 'So outlaw them. Talking doesn't work.'

Chocorua says to Sana, 'Kick thm out and dissassociate yourself from their taint.'

Sana says, 'well i would love to'

Sana says, 'but in the last month i dropped from 18 people to 7'

Kaige says, 'oh yeah.. but outcast is for losers'

Kaige rolls her eyes heavenward.

Kaige says, 'sorry. doesn't cut it with me.'

Blackdeath peers at Sana, looking her up and down.

Sana says, 'so i have to be less choosey about who i let in'

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'if you want to be technical, computers are for losers!'

Scathniamh hugs Kaige.

Scathniamh says, 'I love losers. Don't you?'

Cypri laughs at Scathniamh.

Sandra says, 'well, you still have 8 :)'

Cypri says, 'people who don't have a computer are losers in todays age'

Sana says, 'yeah'

Sana says, 'and i hear allegory has like 3'

Scathniamh gasps at Cypri.

Sana holds her head down and mourns the dead.

Cypri says, 'come on'

Scathniamh says, 'I only have..'

Sandra says, 'nah a bit more'

Scathniamh counts on her fingers.

Sana says, 'actually if you wanted to do something funny'

Sana says, 'and creative'

Scathniamh says, 'Five.'

Scathniamh laughs.

Sana says, 'you could put devin in one clan and hassan in another'

Cypri says, 'everyone I know has a couple computers at least'

Scathniamh says, 'well...did we send that one laptop back..'

Scathniamh looks up into the sky and ponders.

Scathniamh says, 'Nope. We have 6.'

Scathniamh laughs.

Sana says, 'and punish them to stay that way for a few monthes'

Cypri laughs at Sana.

Sana says, 'thats less oppresive and gets the same effect'

Sana says, 'they cant team up if they are enemies'

Cypri says, 'sure they can'

Scathniamh snorts derisively.

Cypri says, 'you jump your allies'

Scathniamh hugs Sana.

Cypri giggles.

Scathniamh says, 'Aww. You're so cute.'

Scathniamh hugs Sana.

Sana says, 'yeah but im not right in the head'

Sandra says, 'um, yea they can. But anyway, let's really move on coz it's getting kinda late.'

Kaige says, 'sure they could, since grouping doesn't force those lines on anyone currently'

Scathniamh says, 'force it force it force it!'

Sandra says, 'any other questions about other topics? We can go back to this afterwards'

Cypri shakes her head.

Kaige says to Scathniamh, 'Like leading big runs? that'd kill those fast.'

Sana says, 'well what i meant was I wouldnt let them team up id put a hurt on'

Scathniamh shakes her head.

Sana says, 'but lets move on then'

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'i know, but it'd be funny.'

Scathniamh giggles.

Sandra says, 'ok, no other questions?'

Scathniamh shakes her head.

Sana says, 'wall of winds'

Cypri says, 'wall of winds'

Sana says, 'never got addressed really'

Sandra says, 'oh sorry, what was it again?'

Cypri says, 'you should be able to move a few rooms with it, like stone skin'

Cypri says, 'at whatever cost'

Cypri says, 'of mv'

Sana says, '50% flame more hurting rate and what like 1% crash rate?'

Blackdeath holds a cobalt blue steel double barrel shotgun in his hands.

Sandra says, 'well, stoneskin isn't the same. It's more akin to ring of fire.'

Scathniamh says, 'I want ROF to carry rooms'

Scathniamh says, 'but that won't happen'

Scathniamh giggles.

Cypri says, 'wall of winds would be cool if you could walk with it'

Sandra says, 'so it doesn't crash much? I really haven't used it'

Cypri says, 'even if it was like 100 mv per room'

Sana says, 'like never'

Scathniamh says, 'so would ROF!'

Cypri nods her agreement with Scathniamh.

Scathniamh tugs on Cypri's sleeve imploringly.

Scathniamh says, 'fight for the causies!'

Sandra says, 'hm, idea it and we can take a look?'

Sana says, 'if it comes down to using wall of winds or casting weaken armor on myself i'd go for that'

Sana says, 'okay'

Sana says, 'what the bloody hell is null status?'

Sana says, 'theres no helpfile and whatever'

Kaige says, 'sounds like a spell/skill affect without a name'

Cypri says, 'oh I still have a question'

Cypri says, 'about status'

Cypri says, 'I asked like a couple years ago'

Cypri says, 'what's burned really do?'

Huginn says, 'not much yet atm'

Huginn says, 'although it'll do more later'

Scathniamh rolls her eyes heavenward.

Scathniamh lies down on the ground and gets comfortable.

Kaige says, 'probably not as much as it was originally intended at this point.'

Cypri says, 'will it hurt ac?'

Sandra says, 'annoys people mainly'

Kaige shakes her head.

Cypri laughs.

Kaige says, 'it'll hurt your ability to heal'

Sandra says, 'it never wears off and that bugs me ;P'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Cypri says, 'I think it should lower ac too, if you're skin is all burned'

Cypri laughs.

Huginn says, 'maybe cost more mv'

Huginn shrugs helplessly.

Cypri nods solemnly.

Cypri peers around intently.

Cypri taps a black satin top-hat.

Cypri gets A small white bunny from a black satin top-hat.

Cypri bows deeply.

Cypri puts A small white bunny in a black satin top-hat.

Axis says, 'being burned should be bad :P'

Cypri nods her agreement with Axis.

Cypri says, 'this oveR?'

Cypri blushes bright red.

Sandra says, 'yea, I think so. we're just sorta lingering'

Sana pokes Cypri in the ribs.

Kaige says, 'it's kinda in the same boat as plague tho... annoying as they are, but would be uber-un-fun if we made them really nasty... especially since there haven't historically been a lot of ways to get rid of them'

Sana says to Cypri, 'when i start playing again you need to use your pker again.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Cypri nods her agreement with Sana.

Cypri says to Sana, 'when you think that will be?'

Kaige says, 'but with moving to affects saving over rent... we've had to address some of that... so... it might get addressed in the future'

Sana stares off into space.

Sana says, 'as soon as stewart the loser burns me that cd with that cracked zmud'

Sana says, 'i mean legally purchased zmud'

Cypri says, 'oh'

Kaige pats Sana on the head.

Cypri says, 'I could maybe help ya there'

Cypri laughs.

Sana says, 'so I can actually play from schoool'

Cypri says, 'I have the new and the oldest one'

Sana says, '*schooool.'

Cypri says, 'I like the 3.62 the most'

Cypri says, 'silly mappers'

Sandra purges Dodd!

Axis says, 'you people are sick'

Blackdeath pokes Sana in the ribs.

Sana says, 'why are we sick'

Sana pokes Blackdeath in the ribs.

Sana says, 'you should come pick me up and hang out for a while'

Sana nudges Blackdeath.

Blackdeath raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Cypri giggles.

Cheyla waves happily.

Cypri says, 'okay'

Cypri says, 'thanks you guys'

Axis says, 'hurry up with @$'

Axis ducks to the ground.

Cypri says, 'been fun'

Chocorua says, 'so we are done i take it? all peopel wanted to talk about was pkill?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Sana says, 'in the future you should try something more creative to punish hsomeone'

Sana says, 'and less just flat out ghah thats the end'

Kaige says, 'such a display of maturity there'

Kaige rolls her eyes heavenward.

Huginn shrugs in response to Sana's words.

Sana says, 'well yeah it was sad and pathetic but thats what happens when people use really last response administrative thingies'

Huginn says to Sana, 'You could solve it too.'

Chocorua says, 'always makes me feel better about a decision like that when they prove us right with an outburst'

Sana says, 'wellI was working on it, i can't change them both in 20 minutes'

Kaige says, 'it'd be one thing if it was limited to just one character to, but when a player has such a blatant disrespect for the game and the other players of it...'

Sana says, 'so which imm punished that one guy by making him start that nph thing? see now thats a hilarious and effective punishment'

Kaige shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says to Sana, 'At least two of us today.'

Horror says, 'ok well...'

Kaige says to Sana, 'Ptah.'

Kaige says, 'and I'd say that didn't work quite as well as intended either.'

Horror says, 'can't we all just get along?'

Kaige lags.

Horror says, 'ack!'

Sandra says, 'well that wasn't very nice'

Horror says, 'sandra you did that!'

Horror ducks under Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

Chocorua says, 'ptah did that and it didn't REALLY work that well... in the end but it was an inventive try'

Horror says, 'i thought ok now did she just siteban everyone?'

Horror laughs.

Haley giggles at Horror.

Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Horror says, 'kaige, tell ptah they ruined SWG without him'

Horror whines.

Sana says, 'well it worked out for the best in the end, iono about in the punishees case specifically tho'

Sana says, 'goddamnit im all frozen, bah. time to complain on aim'

Horror laughs.

Axis says, 'I HATE when that happens'

Horror nods her agreement with Axis.

Axis swoons into Haley's arms.

Haley pets Axis lovingly.

Axis pants.

Axis says, 'we need a mailbox in this room :p'

Horror says, 'well at least i coped some strings in that anarchy'

Horror struts proudly.

Sana says, 'yeah lets go have a look'

Sana winks suggestively at Horror.

Horror giggles.

Axis goes EEK! at the welcome board - you wonder what it ever did to him.

Horror says, 'if you guys banned me for life, i would still love you all,, jsyk :)'

Axis goes EEK! at the welcome board - you wonder what it ever did to him.

Horror giggles.

Chocorua is FINALLY gonna go out to the Salt Lick tomorrow night

Chocorua stands on his tip-toes and does a Snoopy-like dance of joy!

Horror says, 'some strings in the iron too sana'

Axis says, 'no code updates on the board'

Axis says, ':('

Huginn says, 'no mort changes this week'

Sana says, 'it was actually less a lets see what we got and more a im going to go to the bathroom come with me'

Sana says, 'so we can trash talk our dates in private'

Kaige says, 'nothing that's not internal this week anyway'

Horror laughs.

Axis says, 'blah :p'

Horror says, 'oh ok'

Horror laughs.

Axis says, 'board.c!'

Axis says, 'and colors.c'

Axis says, 'Bleeding colors hurt my eyes'

Axis gets a hunk of sheepskin from Axis marked 'Battle Graph' from a fraying white velvet duffel bag.

Axis whaps a hunk of sheepskin from Axis marked 'Battle Graph'.

Chocorua says, 'i spent all week playing with board.c'

Chocorua says, 'it's less scary now'

Axis throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Axis says, 'how long before marked notes quit bleeding :p'

Chocorua says, 'but umm since i was messing with it its also probably broken'

Axis rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Axis cheers wildly!

Axis says, 'Man I hope my boy wants to sleep well'

Kaige thought about saying, "so everyone can go to hell" but figured SOMEONE would take it wrong.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Axis throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Huginn laughs.

Kaige wishes Axis good luck!

Chocorua says to Sandra, 'Or took it right.'

Chocorua says, 'oops missed'

Chocorua says, 'was supposed to be to kaige'

Chocorua says, 'anyhow there is another burrito waiting for me and i gotta untable the frigging mess i made out board.c yesterday on my machine'

Chocorua waves happily.

Axis says, 'sooo around what time is said reboot being planned on sat :p'

Kaige says, 'afternoon I think.'

Axis puts a hunk of sheepskin from Axis marked 'Battle Graph' in a fraying white velvet duffel bag.

Dayer smiles happily.

Axis launches himself across the room and tackles Dayer to the ground!

Dayer bows deeply.

Dayer says, 'who is taking bets on how many times the mud will crash on saturday'

Axis says, '3'

Huginn says, 'I bet none'

Axis says, 'I bet three you don't know mortals very well :p'

Dayer says, '4'

Dayer looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige thinks number of deaths in first hour would be more interesting a wager.

Dayer says, 'oo'

Dayer says, 'make a whole list of bets'

Axis says, 'hows 15'

Dayer says, 'one hour... 20'

Kaige says to Axis, 'That low?'

Dayer says, 'at least'

Kaige grins evilly.

Kaige says, 'this IS hell'

Axis says to Kaige, 'I might be leading :P'

Dayer says, '20 different players'

Dayer looks up into the sky and ponders.

Dayer says to Axis, 'Forgot to count multi deaths from corpse collecting though.'

Dayer says, 'so 30'

Axis says, 'Idiots that rush in to corpse don't count'

Kaige waves happily.

Dayer says, 'all deaths count, even drowning, poison, bleeding, suicides'

Axis says, 'I should go PKE and Jump the run :p'

Huginn says to Axis, 'That'd be a trick.'

Axis says, 'does that mean its gonna be hard to get into'

Sandra waves happily.

Spanish-Flea slaps Sana.

Spanish-Flea slaps Sana.

Asterix looks up into the sky and ponders.

Lorenzo lies down on a chair.

Asterix smiles at TheWatcher.

TheWatcher snuggles up to Asterix.

Asterix cuddles TheWatcher.

Asterix says, 'brb'

Asterix flexes his muscles in an attempt to impress TheWatcher.

TheWatcher plops into Asterixs lap and promptly goes AFK

Atlas says, 'A cahir?'

Atlas says, 'chair'

Atlas says, 'that's all you came up with?'

Sana says, 'why are all you freaks coming up half an hour early'

Atlas says, 'oh, it's not q and a yet, is it'

Atlas says, 'screw that'

Lorenzo says to Sana, 'nothing better todo.'

Atlas says, 'back to hell I go'

Spanish-Flea says, 'because we like slappiing up little girls'

TheWatcher gives Asterix a great big smooch!

Sandra flops about helplessly.

Sandra says, 'I'm not really here!'

Jasra says, 'did QnA start yet?'

Lorenzo says, 'not yet'

Lorenzo says, '10 minutes'

Looking relieved, Jasra smiles gently to herself.

TheWatcher lightly caresses Asterix's... *blush*.

Horror hugs Sandra.

Horror says, 'are we just not talking?'

Lorenzo says, 'not starte dyet'

Horror says, 'ahh'

Neptune says, '5 mins yet'

Neptune says, 'brb'

Horror nods solemnly.

Somar flops himself down and gets comfortable.

TheWatcher snuggles up to Asterix.

Horror says to Somar, 'Your dying!'

Somar goes EEK! at himself in distress - what a klutz!

Horror says to Somar, 'Lol.'

Somar says, 'so I am'

Somar reports: 677/30000 hp 773/773 mana 770/770 mv.

Somar whimpers softly.

Horror laughs.

TheWatcher laughs.

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Kaige says, 'his dying what tho?'

Kaige peers about suspiciously.

Horror chuckles politely.

Somar says, ''they' ganged up on me'

Somar pouts.

Scathniamh laughs.

Kaige restores Somar.

Somar is restored by Kaige.

Somar beams at Kaige delightedly.

Scathniamh says, 'can i gang up on you?'

Scathniamh says, 'NOOOOOOOOOO'

Somar gives Kaige a huge bearhug - your ribs ache in sympathy.

Scathniamh says, 'kae'

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Scathniamh cries on Sandra's shoulder.

Somar says to Scathniamh, 'Awww.. I didn't know you cared!'

Lorenzo says to Somar, 'did you hear about this missouri guy who changed his name to "they"?'

Somar blushes bright red.

Scathniamh says, 'how dare you restore him! now he's harder to kill!'

Scathniamh bursts into tears.

Somar shakes his head in disagreement with Lorenzo.

Somar says, 'I'm still easy to kill'

Horror laughs.

Somar says, 'just ask Huma'

Lorenzo says, 'really. he's the same person who invented underside car lighting'

Horror says, 'somar is like immortal target practice'

Somar lurks around Chocorua ominously!

Scathniamh says, 'Huma hits swiss cheese. by cheating, of course, but still. =P'

Somar knocks Cheyla over and flops all over her.

Trousers gives Cheyla a huge bearhug - your ribs ache in sympathy.

TheWatcher goes EEK! in distress.

Asterix goes ACK TTTTHHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTT!

Asterix says, 'doh'

TheWatcher giggles at Asterix.

TheWatcher says, 'welcome back darkling'

LadyAce says, 'So! Who has a question?'

Horror flops about helplessly.

Horror says, 'i raised already'

LadyAce points at Horror.

Horror chuckles politely.

Horror nods solemnly.

Asterix laughs.

LadyAce says, 'I saw :) you're a quick one'

Haplo smiles happily.

Atlas says, 'better'

Asterix smiles at Haplo.

Horror says, 'is there anyway we could get saladin and his buddys to stand up and rescue if you wake them'

Atlas lies down in a cloud of brimstone.

Horror says, 'following me?'

Atlas says, 'rescue who?'

Horror says, 'oh and one more thing about that'

LadyAce says, 'oh, sure, that's easy to do'

Haplo giggles at Scathniamh.

Horror says, 'they wont rescue with descrips on its seems'

Horror shrugs philosophically.

Horror says, 'just so you know'

LadyAce says, 'put it in on bug?'

Horror says, 'sure'

Sana says, 'anyone who chases you there is a dolt'

Haplo chuckles politely.

Horror says, 'rememver the girl thing!'

Atlas says, 'they rescue you?'

Horror says, 'because im kewl yes'

LadyAce says, 'I think I can make them so they see your name instead of your desc'

Horror nods to herself.

Horror says, 'ill bug it'

LadyAce says, 'the problem is they're probably trying to rescue 'the' -- which isn't one of your kws'

Haplo rests.

LadyAce says, 'thanks!'

Atlas asks Horror a question.

It sounded like 'Why would they rescue you?' to you.

Horror nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce points at TheWatcher.

TheWatcher smiles happily.

Horror says to Atlas, 'Because they love me.'

Haplo smiles at TheWatcher.

Horror grins evilly.

Asterix looks up into the sky and ponders.

Atlas frowns.

Haplo says, 'wow as many imms as players almost'

Haplo laughs.

TheWatcher nods solemnly.

TheWatcher says, 'actually'

Somar grins evilly.

TheWatcher says, 'My question is more for Huginn than anyone else'

Atlas says, 'I count as 2 imms'

Haplo chortles with amusement.

Sana says, 'yeah where is huginn'

Haplo says, 'as I said, about as many imms as players'

Atlas pokes Huginn in the ribs.

Atlas says, 'he's here'

Sana says, 'who are we supposed to taunt'

Atlas whaps Sandra across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Sana says, 'oh'

Sana says, 'well'

Huginn says, 'yes?'

Horror says, 'bugged :)'

Horror flops about helplessly.

LadyAce thanks Horror heartily.

Asterix laughs at Horror.

TheWatcher says, 'my question was about the hide/aim Sniper thing and wether or not there had been any consideration/thoughts/ideas about it'

Horror says, 'i find so many buggs im just not good and explaining them'

Horror shrugs philosophically.

Huginn says, 'refresh my memory on the specific thing please..'

Huginn says, 'I am looking at snipers atm'

LadyAce says, 'this is a reference to an idea shared some weeks back, about hiding and aiming from positions'

LadyAce says, 'I believe?'

Asterix nods his agreement with LadyAce.

TheWatcher says, 'well.. in R/L a sniper can go into a room, hide and then aim at a target'

Huginn says, 'ah yeah.. contemplating that one'

Asterix says, 'I remember that'

Asterix nods to himself.

TheWatcher says, 'but here in mudland you can only do one or the other'

Huginn says, 'well in RL a sniper can blow your head off at 100 yards'

Asterix laughs.

Jalavier snickers softly.

Atlas sees the big eraser in Huginn's hand inscribed 'Balancing Tool'.

Horror chuckles politely.

TheWatcher says, 'yeah I think I mentioned that one too'

Huginn says, 'not always going to use rl as a model'

TheWatcher says, 'and got shot down :)'

Huginn laughs.

TheWatcher giggles.

Asterix comforts TheWatcher.

Nexela gives Cheyla a great big smooch!

Huginn says, 'anyway.. that's something I think is doable'

TheWatcher cheers for Huginn - huzzah!

Huginn says, 'for say kneeling'

Huginn says, 'not really for sitting/resting'

TheWatcher nods solemnly.

TheWatcher says, 'for kneeling'

TheWatcher says, 'you can kneel, then hide, then aim at a target.. or simply just kneel and then hide'

Sana says, 'what was the question here?'

LadyAce says, 'I think we talked about prone or kneeling'

Sana says, 'why bother with kneel and hide?'

LadyAce says, 'being able to be hidden and in a position you can aim from'

Asterix says, 'to snipe with'

Sana says, 'oh, you can already snipe with a gun while hiding anyways'

TheWatcher says, 'Sana, its impossible to hide when you are moving around'

Somar says, 'it's impossible to do alone ;)'

Sana says, 'im lost so ill just go away'

TheWatcher says, 'you cant aim while hiding'

Sana says, 'nuhuh'

Sana says, 'hmm'

Sana says, 'well maybe it got changed'

Spanish-Flea says, 'lemme go check that'

Spanish-Flea says, 'brb :P'

Sana says, 'but i used to hide and aim with a bow then fire with a gun'

Atlas says, 'you guys are dumb'

Sana says, 'worked fine'

Atlas says, 'you can still hide and aim a gun'

Huginn says, 'you should be able to hide and aim'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, Huginn is looking at it as an idea :) any other comments on this topic?'

LadyAce points at Jasra.

Jasra says, 'my turn, okie, is it possible to auction off a house?'

Scathniamh says, 'that would be cool'

Sana pokes Fokke-Wulf in the ribs.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'what'

Sana says, 'whats the good word'

Trousers says to Jasra, 'Help sell_house.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'oh, she's full of it'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'despite claiming otherwise'

Cheyla says, 'you can auction a house the same way you'd auction an item'

Kaige says, 'yeah. no reason you couldn't do it if you wanted to.. I think people have before?'

Trousers nods his agreement with Kaige.

Trousers says, 'i've seen it'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Jalavier nods his agreement with Trousers.

Cheyla says, 'people tend to do the auction on the board, to increase their bid pool'

Kaige says, 'might wanna post some info about the house.. maybe in the classifieds board in the ooc or at least the news'

Malicious giggles.

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'that requires having the brain to think of it BEFORE you demolish your house.'

Jasra says, 'oooo very nice....no more money running for me then'

Jasra snickers softly.

Scathniamh sighs at herself. What a sorry sight.

LadyAce points at Scathniamh.

Scathniamh says, 'Okay. I've been named the person to discuss this topic'

Scathniamh says, 'Because I'm a non-important third party'

Atlas rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Lorenzo says to Scathniamh, 'union rep?'

Scathniamh says, 'With clan channels. Would it be possible for clan leaders to uh...what's it called'

Scathniamh says, 'police them?'

Sana says, 'make them adult?'

Sana says, 'no, next question'

Kaige says, 'no'

Scathniamh says, 'Kinda. Except I'm not in any clans, which is probably why they chose me'

Chocorua says, 'no'

Atlas rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Horror laughs.

Atlas says, 'just cause trousers got channel gagged'

Scathniamh says, 'Can you say why?'

Sana says, 'ive asked this sooo many times'

Scathniamh rolls her eyes, exasperated with Atlas.

Scathniamh says, 'He's not the only one who asked for it to be mentioned'

Kaige says, 'because members can't turn if off'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'pants got channel gagged?'

Scathniamh says, 'Ah.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'what a badge of honor'

Atlas nods his agreement with Fokke-Wulf.

Scathniamh says, 'I understand.'

Atlas says, 'I know he's my hero'

Scathniamh says, 'Okee, move on'

Sana says, 'although still say clan waivers and or making them togglable would be fun'

Sana coughs loudly.

Sana stares off into space.

Atlas says, 'chat can be turned off'

Atlas says, 'but you can't swear there'

Horror says, 'swearing is overrated anyway'

Horror shrugs philosophically.

Atlas nods solemnly.

Sana says, 'bloody hell!'

Drakkon says, 'I would like to be able to toggle my clan channel regardless, how come this option isn't available?'

Fokke-Wulf slaps Drakkon.

Malicious giggles.

Scathniamh runs in circles around Drakkon, squealing loudly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'because you touch yourself at night'

Sana says, 'yeah who wants to hear your petty slaves bitching all the time'

Trousers grins evilly at Fokke-Wulf... Wonder what he's thinking...

Sana says, 'i wanna be able to shut it off'

Kaige says, 'not much in the way of community glue if you don't have to listen to it'

Horror says to Sana, 'Im not your SLAVE :P'

Horror slaps Sana.

Sana says, 'your all my slaves'

Scathniamh rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Fokke-Wulf nods solemnly.

Scathniamh hugs Kaige.

Horror snickers softly.

Neptune says, 'so without sounding unappreciative towards Kae or her new area, what is the progress like on some of the semi-complete projects?'

Fokke-Wulf grovels before Sana.

Scathniamh says, 'aww. i love that'

Drakkon says, 'That's like saying "If you turn chat off, you shouldn't be part of the mud as a whole"'

Sana pats Fokke-Wulf on the head.

Scathniamh says, 'so if you stick your lot in with them, you have to deal with them'

Scathniamh laughs.

Drakkon says, 'What if ppl are spamming on clan chat about rediculous things and I don't want to listen to it'

Scathniamh says, 'leave the clan! take it up with your clan leader.'

Huginn says to Drakkon, 'Kill them.'

Neptune patiently twiddles his thumbs.

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Drakkon.

Malicious says, 'tell them to take it to chat or gossip?'

Lorenzo giggles at Huginn.

Drakkon says, 'I don't want to tell them to shut up'

Horror nods her agreement with Huginn.

Atlas says to Huginn, 'enable them.'

Chocorua says to Drakkon, 'Time to rethink your clan associations.'

Drakkon says, 'I want to turn my clan channel off for a short period'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'god only knows how horrible the red hand channel is'

Horror laughs.

Sana says, 'yeah its not like you always want to hear this crap'

Drakkon says to Chocorua, 'because there is a conversation that I don't want to hear once, I should join a diff clan?'

Malicious says, 'and everyone in the red hand'

Drakkon says to Chocorua, 'that's rediculous.'

Sana says, 'or that because horror is having a bad day and bitching about something means i should boot him'

Lorenzo says to Fokke-Wulf, 'i daresay god alone doesn't know.'

Lorenzo snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'Clans are sort of like families, you have to put up with a certain amount when you join them.'

Fokke-Wulf says to Lorenzo, 'marry aria yet?'

Horror says to Sana, 'I dont have bad days.'

Drakkon chortles with amusement.

Jalavier chuckles politely.

Horror says to Sana, 'Stop pointing everthing my way!'

Drakkon says, 'Should still be toggleable imo'

Chocorua says to Drakkon, 'If they promote an atmosphere you want to avoid, are you really part of the clan?'

Lorenzo says to Fokke-Wulf, 'haven't met her yet.'

Kaige says, 'can we PLEASE keep the spam to a minimum and conversations on the current topic?'

Drakkon says, 'Some people dont' have backscroll'

Scathniamh says, 'once you're on this mud, you don't choose to engage with everyone on the mud. you do choose to engage with the people in your clan'

Atlas says to Chocorua, 'yes.'

Nexela whaps himself across the back of the head!

LadyAce says, 'the clan system is our way to give you incentives to form a social structure...we give you some cool powers, you end up stuck with them.'

Cheyla says to Neptune, 'You'll have to re-ask whenever they finish.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'cool powers?'

Atlas says, 'LOL'

Drakkon says to Chocorua, 'what if a few ppl are on talking about some pkill, but I'm not a part of it, therefore don't really want to hear what's going on.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'bahaha, a clan channel and a clan hall?'

Atlas says, 'name one cool power'

Neptune says, 'if someone were spamming clan chans, clan hey ease up on the spam (enter)'

Neptune shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'having a channel, for one'

Sana says, 'I have the power to jump people who are level 10, i like that'

Drakkon says to Chocorua, 'or I'm concentrating on something and the spam is screwing it up.'

Neptune says, 'too many quests to be done to worry about clan spam'

LadyAce says to Atlas, 'Roster you can check, and a way to vote for your GM, and so on.'

Horror gets a pair of anti-spam sunglasses from a loosely-woven mesh bag.

LadyAce says, 'a shared expense house'

Atlas says, 'none of that is cool'

Horror begins using a pair of anti-spam sunglasses.

Atlas says, 'you can't even share in-game info on your clan channel'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'none of those are remotely cool'

Scathniamh says, 'I"d love having a cheap house'

Scathniamh laughs.

Cheyla says, 'depends on your definition of cool, i guess'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'all clan halls do for PKE is create a place for people to idle'

Scathniamh says to Cheyla, 'i think you're cool.'

Scathniamh bats her eyelashes at Cheyla.

Fokke-Wulf says, '95% of the time'

Atlas says, 'If you made a clan of 'In-game info sharers' coudl you then share in-game info?'

Scathniamh says, 'i've also had a lot of caffeine'

Scathniamh whistles appreciatively.

Sana snickers softly.

Horror says to Fokke-Wulf, 'If i didnt idle 90% of the time i would be playing alts.'

Chocorua says to Atlas, 'No.'

Horror tickles Fokke-Wulf.

Atlas says to Chocorua, 'how so?'

Fokke-Wulf says to Chocorua, 'why not, it's a private board.'

Atlas says, 'They CHOSE to joint he clan'

Fokke-Wulf says to Chocorua, 'membership comes at a premium, that'd be a 'cool perk'.'

Kaige says, 'they also chose to agree to the rules of the game when they logged in.'

Horror says, 'i know one cool thing about having a clan'

Kaige says, 'which come above the rules of the clan.'

Lorenzo says, 'it doesn't really scale as far as enforcement though'

Horror says, 'you can TAX'

Sana says, 'you get to be abused by me all day?'

Malicious says, 'tithe'

Sana says, 'oh'

Scathniamh rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror says to Sana, 'That too.'

Sana says, 'sounds like someone wants our tithe to go up'

Atlas says, 'max 10%'

Sana says, '90% sounds god to me'

Atlas says, 'you can't make it over 10% I don't think'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Sana says, 'yeah that reminds me'

Atlas says, 'I raised my hand a while ago'

LadyAce says, 'alright, any further issues on the topic, or shall we move on?'

Chocorua says, 'basically the language and ingame info rules on clan channels are not going to change int eh near future...'

Atlas sticks his tongue out at Sandra. =P

Atlas says, 'int eh!'

LadyAce says, 'my queue is 6 deep, but you'll get turns, no worries.'

Chocorua says, 'we've talked it over on several levels several times'

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'sorry i brought it up.'

Scathniamh scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Atlas doesn't think she is.

LadyAce says, 'alright, next up is Jalavier.'

LadyAce points at Jalavier.

Jalavier says, 'this should be a quick one, I've been gone for awhile until very recently and now I hear that the old eq that we have is going away, I haven't been able to really learn much about this change..'

Sana says, 'yarr down with old eq!'

Jalavier says, 'If everyone has discussed it ad naseum then just a resource to read about it would be okay...'

Trousers says to Sana, 'Yarr.'

Cheyla says, 'the short of it is, we'll be getting item templates in the next year or so'

Scathniamh says, 'there's...a lot lately'

Horror says, 'can i ask a quick question about that'

Chocorua says, 'meaning that items in your inventory will follow the stats on those in our database'

Horror says, '?'

Cheyla says, 'that means when an item changes in the area file (stats, rent, all that), it will change for you, too'

Scathniamh says, 'ac. ticks.'

Drakkon says, 'I was told 6 months or so a month ago... is that date still true?'

Scathniamh says, 'items.'

Jalavier nods solemnly.

Neptune says, 'ooh 30 second followups!'

Neptune ducks to the ground.

Sana slaps Neptune.

Huginn says to Drakkon, 'Depends when we have time to get to it.'

Drakkon nods his agreement with Huginn.

Huginn says to Drakkon, 'Could be sooner, could be a year.'

Atlas says, 'haha, does that mean you could go overrent after a change and lose your eq?'

Drakkon says, 'Wish I had old eq...'

Sana says, 'six years?'

Horror says, 'what happens to players with old items not in the game anymore, blinding wormys dis rings ect ect?'

Huginn comforts Drakkon.

Scathniamh says, 'maybe an update board could be created to help. not for all updates'

Jalavier says, 'I see... That clears up a lot, the way I was hearing it all the old eq my chars have been hoarding were just going to poof... Rather soon was the impression I got.'

Scathniamh says, 'Just for the big ones'

LadyAce says, 'when we have a timeline for implementation, we'll announce a schedule and so forth'

Scathniamh shrugs helplessly.

Cheyla says, 'if an item changes that affects the template, it would be noted.'

Kaige says to Horror, 'Basically they become fancy zips.'

Horror says, 'anyone catch my question?'

Scathniamh says, 'no, no.'

Scathniamh says, 'I mean..'

Horror says, 'really?'

Scathniamh looks up into the sky and ponders.

Cheyla says, 'we still need to work out the details around that, but until we get closer...'

Horror says, 'like my old skull staff?'

Horror says, 'thats just not right'

Horror says, 'but hey'

Jalavier says, 'I was about to piecemeal out my eq for what I could while it was worth something... *shuckle*'

Atlas says, 'you do get the new version of the item?'

Scathniamh says, 'A board, where say, one entry would be subj tickless'

Huginn says, 'skull staffs still exists don't they?'

Horror says, 'not like they uysed too'

Scathniamh says to Atlas, 'brief note.'

Horror says, 'they used to be light'

Scathniamh says, 'blink'

Huginn says, 'well that doesn't matter to the template'

Scathniamh blinks.

Huginn says, 'all the attributes change'

Scathniamh says, 'eer...with a brief note on it'

Sana says, 'tell those old players to break out the blinding wormies and give me one before they get reamed'

Kaige says, 'once templating goes in, yes. if you had an old one, you'll automagically log in with a new one'

LadyAce says to Scathniamh, 'Can we make yours a separate topic from templates? It's a good thought, but we're off topic.'

Horror says, 'there heavy now'

Huginn says, 'so weight etc'

Horror says, 'that needs changed imho anyway'

Scathniamh nods solemnly.

Trousers says, 'Crimson cloak got nuked. and why can't the old one be mended with the new one?'

Kaige says, 'if you had one stashed in your house.... it will become a new one'

Scathniamh says to LadyAce, 'the question was about updates. which is why i mentioned it.'

Scathniamh giggles.

Horror says, 'hummm'

Scathniamh says, 'different materials'

Kaige says to Trousers, 'With obj templates it wouldn't be a problem.'

Horror says, 'i hate to hear that'

Atlas says, 'old scalps can be mended'

Drakkon says, 'Will the (wear) flag be attached to the item?'

Atlas chuckles politely.

Horror says, 'i mean'

Kaige nods her agreement with Drakkon.

Jalavier says, 'Anyway, thanks for the clarification on that, I was stressed.'

Horror says, 'there is some old hell gear out there'

Horror says, 'its all going away more or less'

Scathniamh blinks.

LadyAce says, 'other comments on this topic, or shall we move along?'

Scathniamh says, 'wait...old eq without a template becomes a zip?'

Atlas wants to move along.

Scathniamh says, 'is that the final word from the imms?'

Neptune says, 'i'll sell all of my old gear for 1.5mil'

Kaige says, 'it becomes vnum 1'

Scathniamh says, 'because i was told they stay.'

Drakkon says, 'How do you plan to filter out the eq?'

Scathniamh says, 'but i dun remember which imm it was'

Scathniamh sighs loudly.

Horror says, 'i just traded all mine for coupons'

Drakkon says, 'Will it cause problems?'

LadyAce says, 'essentially objects have unique identifiers, and changes to the item with that ID would be reflected into the game.'

Neptune says, 'primary keys'

Drakkon says, 'So basically when you logged in, it would wipe out all the extra's on the item, and just load it using the vnum?'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Drakkon.

LadyAce says, 'if the unique ID disappeared from the database, it'd be slapped into a default -- thus the old eq would revert to that default'

Horror says, 'icky'

Jalavier says, 'That makes me kinda sad, I have horns and gloves and the like that I've had for like half a decade...'

Drakkon nods solemnly.

Cheyla says, 'things like description aren't covered, so items can still be strung'

Horror says, 'what about poets rings?'

Horror says, 'there clone is here'

Drakkon says, 'OK'

Horror says, 'would you be changed it to the clone or zip?'

Chocorua says, 'i'd say there are still some code questions to answer so some of this might change as the coder who writes it finds difficulties'

Horror nods solemnly.

Drakkon nods his agreement with Chocorua.

Jalavier nods solemnly.

Horror says, 'ok..'

Neptune says, 'i think i still have 5ac holster belts somewhere'

LadyAce says, 'ok, next topic it is'

LadyAce points at Horror.

Horror says, 'this one is about balm'

Horror says, 'if i type use balm selfl it uses it on nothing and i waste mana'

Horror says, 'if i misstype i mean'

Horror says, 'cant we get it to say There not here.'

Horror says, 'or soemthing'

Atlas says, 'it does'

Atlas says, 'it says you use it'

Trousers says, 'the same goes for scrolls'

Drakkon nods solemnly.

Atlas says, 'dn then they're not here'

Drakkon says, 'But on yourself, if you wanted to use it on someone else and it mistypes, it would use it on yourslef'

Trousers says, 'if you mistype the name of the person that you're reciting, it says "You recite a *" they aren't here.'

Horror says, 'shouldnt be able to use my balm on a typeo'

Horror says, 'tho'

Neptune says, 'or if you try to use it on them but they leave, you use it on yourself'

Horror says, 'but balm is not a scroll'

Trousers says, 'But it's the same concept'

Horror says, 'not really'

LadyAce says, 'sounds like a good thing to report as a bug'

Drakkon nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Horror says, 'you get what im saying tho?'

Sana says, 'we all know its an intentinal imm plot thing'

Sana says, 'intentional'

Drakkon chortles at Sandra's feeble witticism.

Atlas nods solemnly.

Sana stares off into space.

Atlas says, 'duh'

LadyAce says, 'see what can be done with it. There are some analogies to spells and so on, probably not all cases are covered in the balming. And maybe they can't be, or not easily. Dunno. Report it.'

LadyAce points at Neptune.

Horror says, 'ty'

Horror bows deeply.

Neptune says, 'I was just curious as to how the progress was coming on some of the semi-finished projects'

Cheyla says, 'carthage is in fianl review and we expect it to go in next month'

Neptune says, 'with all due respect to Kae and her area'

Neptune says, 'etc'

Neptune nods solemnly.

Cheyla says, 'sl2 is being reviewed, has made good progress'

Neptune says, 'neat :)'

Sana says, 'sealab2?'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'how long did you just review hell'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'SL'

Cheyla says, 'japan is coming along well, and tombstone has seen a little work'

Neptune says, 'followup on the subject, if you will'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'damn lazy humas, you need to shoot them or they wont work'

Horror says, 'man i must have like 10 bug reports in'

Neptune says, 'any ideas about expansions to some of the areas already in the game?'

Sana says to Neptune, 'you have 30 seconds and you cant mention cheyla by name.'

Cheyla says, 'and kaige has been plugging away at fifties and el dorado'

Kaige hugs Rusalka.

Somar gives Rusalka a huge bearhug - your ribs ache in sympathy.

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Rusalka chuckles politely.

Scathniamh cries on Kaige's shoulder.

Neptune says, 'i sense a tremor in the force...'

Atlas goes EEK! in distress.

Scathniamh says, 'too many someones!'

Atlas says, 'who are these people'

Nexela says, 'I wanna see carthage and SL Expansion :p'

Nexela says, 'and I still have to map hell!'

Horror says, 'yeah SL expansion is gonna rock too'

Cheyla says, 'no real expansion work for current areas right now'

Neptune says, 'some of the areas we already have potential'

LadyAce says, 'any other project-ish questions? We have a lineup so we can't spend too long geeking out about cool areas :)'

Neptune nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Cheyla says, 'aside from the SL stuff'

Neptune nods solemnly.

Neptune says, 'thanks :)'

Scathniamh says, 'geek geek!'

LadyAce points at Atlas.

Atlas says, 'ooh'

Atlas says, 'One question'

Horror says, 'afk a min smoking but i got a question'

Atlas says, 'I think that the elementals taking damage was a cool idea'

Atlas says, 'well, neat, I don't like it at all actually'

Atlas says, 'BUT'

Atlas says, 'The Golem elemental'

Atlas says, 'Can only take damage'

Atlas says, 'If it's raining he dies, if it's cold he dies, if it's hot he dies, only indoors he doesn't die'

Scathniamh laughs.

Horror says, 'no he dies indoors too'

Huginn says, 'he's sensitive'

Sana says, 'yeah you should be able to poop on him to give him hp back'

Scathniamh rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Atlas says, 'that's dumb'

Atlas says, 'just remove the spell entirely if you're gonna mess with it'

Scathniamh hugs Huginn.

Nexela licks Huginn.

Huginn says, 'ok!'

Sana says, 'no'

Horror says, 'i had an idea on that huggy'

Atlas says to Huginn, 'i know you would.'

Atlas says to Huginn, 'all you like is cause mages.'

Sana says, 'don't give him ideas'

Huginn thanks Atlas heartily.

Huginn rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Atlas rolls his eyes, exasperated with Huginn.

Sana says, 'i leave for a monthe and creates are already butchered'

LadyAce says, 'This isn't the forum for personal attacks.'

Horror says, 'maybe empty your jug of water on the golem to make it stop dying'

LadyAce says, 'this is your first and only warning.'

Horror says, 'just an idea...'

Atlas says, 'what's a personal attack'

Atlas says, 'the truth?'

Scathniamh rolls her eyes heavenward.

Atlas says, 'I'm stating simple fact!'

Sana says, 'lets just decide on one thing golems get hurt from and stick to it'

Atlas shrugs helplessly.

Chocorua says, 'well messing with things is what we do here .. always ... spells skills and all'

Horror says, 'just what we need'

Horror looks up into the sky and ponders.

Huginn says to Chocorua, 'Ssshh we've done nothing for fighters.'

Horror says, 'can you mess with my hammer then and accidently make it do 10k dam?'

Atlas says, 'so Can you look into changing golems?'

Chocorua says to Huginn, 'I forgot.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'yes you have'

Horror ducks to the ground.

Scathniamh says to Huginn, 'weren't people whining for new create spells awhile ago?'

LadyAce says, 'at any rate, feel free to send in your ideas if you have productive ones.'

Scathniamh says to Huginn, 'and now he wants you to remove one?'

LadyAce says, 'the next question comes from Sana'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'iron will, raw melee damage in PK?'

Atlas says, 'will you look at it?'

Huginn nods his agreement with Atlas.

Horror says, 'afk 2 mins'

LadyAce points at Sana.

Sana says, 'okay hmm'

Sana says, 'i dunno how much you all play with walls, like non stone but umm'

Atlas nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sana says, 'damnit i forgot where i waas going...'

Sana says, 'oh yeah'

Scathniamh laughs.

Sana says, 'wall of fog, and fire, but mainly fog'

Sana says, 'has a not that impressive chance to do what it is supposed to and the only real way ive found to make it useful is make about 15 of them all around'

Scathniamh says to Sana, 'didn't you bring this up last time?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Scathniamh's head.

Scathniamh giggles.

Sana says, 'but at the huiuuuuuge manan cost it has now that takes waaay too much umm things'

Sana says, 'so'

Huginn says, 'wall of winds spell was last time'

Huginn says, 'not the same'

Scathniamh says, 'yeh. i just realized that'

Scathniamh laughs.

Scathniamh bonks herself on the head and looks sheepish.

Sana says, 'especially since now it has such a laaame protection that is readily available for like 10 mana, i vote fog cost be lowered'

Sana says, 'to like 30'

Scathniamh says to Huginn, 'is it obvious i have no creates?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Scathniamh's head.

Sana says, 'fires kinda the same deal but at least it goes off every time'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'all fun create spells are massive mana'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'lowering the cost would actually be a good idea'

Atlas says to Scathniamh, 'stop sucking up.'

Kaige says to Sana, 'WHERE you cast them is also going to have an affect on how effective they are.'

Scathniamh says to Atlas, 'please be civil or don't speak to me.'

Horror says, 'back'

Sana says, 'well but still, even if it was 100% in almost every situation you would still need more than one'

Atlas turns Scathniamh around.

Drakkon comforts Atlas.

LadyAce says, 'that cover the question?'

LadyAce points at Scathniamh.

Scathniamh says, 'okay!'

Scathniamh says, 'updates board.'

Scathniamh says, 'The idea isn't to make a board of all the update posts'

Scathniamh says, 'but in response to people being gone for awhile and such, maybe you can create a board ooc with major updates'

Scathniamh says, 'lately, I've had to explain to quite a few oldbies the changes that were made over the summer.'

LadyAce says, 'help updates is where most of those go'

Kaige says, 'help updates covers a lot of them. pretty much the newer the updates the more verbose the descriptions are'

Scathniamh says, 'ooh'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'no wonder we've had so many misinformed oldbies running around...'

LadyAce says, 'if there are major ones that you think should be in the file, let us know'

Kaige says, 'and the back issues of the LT with more details are on the web'

Scathniamh nods solemnly.

Scathniamh says, 'so now i know where to make them go. yay.'

Malicious says, 'does that have dates and stuff though, I'd like to be able to take a month break and come back to read exactly what I missed, not everything else in a helpfile.'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'it has dates, read it :)'

LadyAce says, 'although we might want to break it into years at this point!'

Scathniamh laughs.

Malicious says, 'sorry, I'm a slow typer... and I don't read the screen while I write'

Sana says, 'okay wren imed me and distracted me, so whats the vote on the whole wall of fog being waaay too pricey thing?'

Scathniamh says, 'that is a doosy'

Huginn says to Sana, 'Possibly.'

Huginn says to Sana, '30 would be too low in any case though.'

LadyAce says, 'that cover what you're thinking, Scath?'

Scathniamh nods solemnly.

Sana stares off into space.

Huginn says to Sana, 'Especially since it still screws over snipers and fighters completely.'

LadyAce says, 'Malicious is up next!'

Scathniamh says, 'until they want more info'

Scathniamh laughs.

LadyAce points at Malicious.

Huginn says to Sana, 'And even though I only care about cause mages, I really have to consider that.'

LadyAce says to Scathniamh, 'Search the LTs based on the keywords in the file.'

Scathniamh nods solemnly.

Malicious says, 'ok one sec'

Malicious says, 'Has there been any more discussion on characters being able to "forget" a skill they haven't used in a long time?'

Fokke-Wulf peers at Huginn, looking him up and down.

Scathniamh comforts Huginn.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'who gave him the truth serum'

Atlas says to Huginn, 'this isn't a place for personal attack.'

Sana says, 'who only cares about cause mages'

Chocorua says, 'unearning skills isn't gonna be an option unless we make changes ot it'

Atlas says to Huginn, 'you've been warned.'

Sana says, 'i mean, did I say that out loud?'

Huginn says to Fokke-Wulf, 'Just running with the attack of the night.'

Sana ducks to the ground.

Sana says, 'heeey, i never said it'

LadyAce says, 'eventually, not using a skill will make you bad at it, but there's no prac refund for that'

Scathniamh says to Huginn, 'if you only like cause mages, you have really bad tastes.'

Sana says, 'i respect all the work you put into killing crea'

Sana says, 'umm'

Malicious says, 'I just wonder because some skills are the same as spells, but the helpfile doesn't tell you that'

LadyAce says, 'or rather, there's a plan to eventually put in code to do that. But I spose that's not what you want.'

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Scathniamh says, 'that would be nice to know.'

Herbuser says, 'what about being able to unlearn skills at a cost of xp?'

LadyAce says to Malicious, 'Skills don't keep track of cast level or anything like that, if that's what you mean?'

Scathniamh gently sighs with relief -- PHEW!

Herbuser says, 'or some other cost'

Malicious says, 'I mean more like, I never use judge because I'm a mage, but I have it, I didn't know that it was the same as the spell...'

LadyAce says, 'right now, your kick is the same if you don't use it for 3 years as if you'd used it fifty times a day for a month.'

Scathniamh says, 'ah'

Malicious says, 'so I was wondering if at any point I'd be able to "forget" it and learn something new'

Scathniamh says, 'especially for first time mages who don't know what spells they'll get'

Chocorua says, 'i don't think ther eis any chance of that'

Scathniamh puts a small piece of paper from Scathniamh in a backpack.

Scathniamh puts a small piece of paper from Primal in a backpack.

Atlas says, 'they can look up the spells they'll get on LegendDB'

Atlas says, 'it's so useful'

Scathniamh rolls her eyes heavenward.

Herbuser says, 'why not... at a cost of xp or something'

Kaige says, 'well, now that you've seen parts of hell frozen over....'

Malicious says, 'is there any thought on being able to remake without dying and losing everything you have of your character?'

Kaige whispers the s word.

Scathniamh says, 'most newbs don't know about legenddb'

Horror laughs.

Herbuser says, 'this is supposed to be a classless mud, i dont understand how allowing people to pay xp to change their skills would put any of you out'

Chocorua says, 'no, same answer really'

Rusalka says, 'some small mercy'

Atlas says to Malicious, 'no, that will never be possible.'

Rusalka says, 'one word'

Rusalka says, 'er two. monty haul'

Scathniamh whimpers softly.

LadyAce giggles at Rusalka.

Scathniamh says, 'can the someones go vis?'

Peony lurks around Sana ominously!

Malicious says, 'ok, well I'm just for being able to drop skills, that's my vote, in case it counts...'

Chocorua says, 'nothing here really costs us, it's a matter of not creating cookie cutter chars'

LadyAce says, 'other comments on this topic, or shall we move along?'

Scathniamh says to Chocorua, 'but christmas cookies taste yummy.'

LadyAce points at Horror.

Horror says, 'oh'

Atlas says, 'what's a cookie cutter?'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Sana says, 'allowing people to change would make them not cookie cutters anyways'

Herbuser says, 'or because you know that if you allow people to change their classes, people will never make new characters'

Horror says, 'ok your going to love this one'

Herbuser says, 'and since there isnt much else to do in the mud'

Herbuser says, 'people will stop playing'

LadyAce says, 'we're going to move on to Horror's question, folks.'

Horror says, 'another create spell question'

Sana says, 'making us be one thing is what makes us that umm yeah'

Somar zones out.

Scathniamh giggles at Somar.

LadyAce tugs on Horror's sleeve imploringly.

Horror says, 'sense life? does this work like census or is it just the room your in? and maybe if it is can we maybe make it work like census for invis and maybe give a message like you sense invis person a short distance away or something?'

Huginn says, 'hmm idea that'

Horror says, 'its seems pretty usless to me really'

Horror says, 'i use it tho'

Kaige says, 'withut room size tho, "a short distance away" isn't gonna be that pretty'

Scathniamh hands Kaige an o.

Horror says, 'well you can ajust that i was just wondering if its doable'

Sana slaps Somar.

Sana stomps on Somar's toes.

Sana says, 'that aint funny!'

Lorenzo says, 'maybe just apply hunt pathing?'

Lorenzo says, 'for distance I mean'

Horror says, 'yeah thats nice'

Scathniamh says, 'well, when you scan, doesn't it give distance?'

Kaige says, 'still the same problem without room sizes... when ones a closet and hallway and another is crossing the english channel or parts of an ocean'

Cheyla drools thinking about room sizes.

Horror says, 'well if it worked like census'

Scathniamh says, 'or maybe it used to. it's been awhile since i was a shooter'

Horror says, 'you could see invis in the area not just the room'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Scathniamh says, 'or listen.'

LadyAce says, 'other comments about sense life?'

LadyAce says, 'Ok, it's Herbuser's turn'

Atlas shakes his head.

LadyAce points at Herbuser.

Herbuser says, 'yeah uhh... 2 part question'

Herbuser says, '1) can jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself cannot eat it'

Malicious says, 'giggle'

Chocorua frowns.

LadyAce says, 'oh dear, is it joke question time already? :P'

LadyAce says, 'does anyone else out there have a question, comment, concern, bit of feedback, or whatnot?'

Chocorua says, 'i think thats better time spend after the qna'

Atlas says, 'Everything at the Q and A is a joke'

Peony says, 'jesus cannot microwave a burrito on legend'

Atlas says, 'IMHO'

Peony says, 'not only do we not have microwaves'

Herbuser says, 'and 2) do guys think that negative immortal attitudes during forums like this lead to a reduced player base'

Peony says, 'jesus is locked'

Peony ducks to the ground.

Lorenzo says to Herbuser, 'no. microwaves work by heating water, which can only be raised to 212'.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'negative?'

Herbuser says, 'right...'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'indifferent maybe'

Atlas says, 'I'd say condescending'

Malicious cheers for Lorenzo - huzzah!

Herbuser says, 'lets just strike the adjective off and leave it at "attitudes"'

LadyAce says, 'I think the attitudes displayed toward the staff have been pretty poor in spots tonight, but otherwise, I think we've all played it pretty fair.'

Horror says to Huginn, 'That work?'

Herbuser says, 'as in... ppl show up to ask question, immortals who will remain unnamed play the asshole card, then ppl take that as the big FU and leave the mud'

LadyAce says, 'can you be specific about what particular comments struck you as unfair, unkind, etc.?'

Herbuser says, 'possible, yes/no?'

Huginn nods his agreement with Horror.

Horror says, 'i really suck at explaining thing'

Horror says, 'things'

Horror sulks quietly to herself in a corner.

Peony says, 'I'm so confused'

Sana laughs at Fokke-Wulf.

Peony says, 'can people say things in big chunks so my pea brain can absorb them slowly?'

LadyAce says, 'we had some great ideas come in tonight, and we asked that they go into the idea file after some discussion. We disagreed or couldn't accept other ideas. We clarified some questions.'

Herbuser says, 'we can go back to the burrito question if thats easier'

Horror looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'I have scroll, tell me which question tonight you think was treated poorly by the staff.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'if the immortals want to look at problems on the mud I wouldnt look at the playerbase, it's transitory'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'theres only one constant on this mud'

LadyAce says, 'I don't mind being addressed on this issue at all, it's near and dear to my heart -- I'm looking for tonight's specifics.'

Somar says to Fokke-Wulf, 'So you're saying we need to update Agrabah?'

Herbuser says, 'well ill keep it the realm of abstract so it doesnt look like im trashing on any 1 imm... since i was only here for 2 questions before i asked mine... and only have 1 imm to use as an example'

Atlas laughs.

Atlas nods his agreement with Somar.

LadyAce says, 'I think it's fair to point out what you observed. There's no way to make progress on this sort of thing if we can't be fair and specific to each other.'

Fokke-Wulf says to Somar, 'players change, but players dont have a great impact on the game, imms go through life, 10 years ago many arent the people they are today.'

Herbuser says, 'cool'

Herbuser says, 'well'

Fokke-Wulf says to Somar, 'if you look back, past some of the bad experiences that hspaed their current attitudes I think they can find the keys to what made this mud so great back in the glory days.'

Herbuser says, 'choc slamming the door on the skill reimbursement idea'

Herbuser says, 'so... cool its never going to happen'

Herbuser says, 'but why?'

Kaige says, 'we've long maintained that the only way skills get reimb'd are going to be when we down grade a skill or when skill trees go in.'

Herbuser says, 'i left that topic feeling like i had just been flipped off'

Herbuser says, 'dunno about the rest of you'

Malicious nods her agreement with Herbuser.

Malicious says, 'I always do when I bring it up though'

Sana says, 'maaan, who ratted me out'

LadyAce says, 'this one is a really old issue, which some folks bring up every week or every month'

Chocorua says, 'i was short in my answer because it's been discussed several times int eh past at QnA's'

Kaige says, 'mainly because there should be some consequences to your choices that can't just be erased through an xp bot or the like'

Malicious says, 'the last time I asked they said that over rl time they might reimb'

Chocorua says, 'if that's condescending i'm sorry you read it like that'

Herbuser says, 'and its not an isolated incident, i just wasnt here for more questions then that'

Horror gets a balloon bouquet, with a card from Wren from a loosely-woven mesh bag.

Rusalka says, 'and honestly, it is largely a question of game balance, which is where my monty haul comment came in'

Rusalka says, 'my apologies if i offended'

Horror puts a balloon bouquet, with a card from Wren in a loosely-woven mesh bag.

LadyAce says, 'there are always going to be some ideas which we're just philosophically opposed to, and we'd be doing you a disservice if we pretended to consider it at long length, then said no'

Horror says, 'oh wait i got one'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'hey, I always come away from these feeling abused, but I abuse you guys anyway so it all balances out :)'

Cheyla pats Fokke-Wulf on the head.

Herbuser says, 'so... how about old school pk... it was said for years it would never come back'

Rusalka says, 'i don't think that either side should feel abuse or abuse'

Chocorua says, 'there are also rat holes we shoudl avoid'

Kaige says to Fokke-Wulf, 'Well, then I gotta say you're not the only one that feels that way.'

Fokke-Wulf says to Cheyla, 'wheres your doormat tonight?'

Herbuser says, 'people tried to talk about it... they were disenfranchised'

Peony says, 'xp bot!'

Herbuser says, 'and now they dont play'

Peony comes back in window.

Peony ponders her own existence - better keep an eye on her.

Herbuser says, 'then old pk comes back'

Malicious says, 'the only reason I brought it up was because last time I asked about it you all said that there was discussion about letting people forget over a period of time, which I thought sounded fair.'

Cheyla says to Fokke-Wulf, 'Sleeping after fixing many many hell bugs.'

Herbuser says, 'proving... that no never means NO'

Horror says, 'are we still on a question'

Herbuser says, 'it just means... not right now'

Horror says, '?'

LadyAce says, 'belaboring points on a weekly basis isn't the sort of thing that changes our minds, though'

Malicious says, 'last time I went to Q and A was like a year ago'

Herbuser says, 'so why treat issues with the same resounding resolute indifference when it could just as easily be something thats considered down the road?'

Atlas says, 'You guys have to agree that the population was dropping on the mud and it's not getting better'

Herbuser says, 'why does everyone seem to lack that foresight?'

Rusalka says to Kaige, 'Is it?'

LadyAce says, 'I agree, if there's an issue that's been adequately discussed in the past and we're sticking with our previous answer, we should direct people to the answer -- since as you say, some folks don't come every week.'

Fokke-Wulf says to Cheyla, 'ic.'

Atlas says, 'why don't you just come vis'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'wow'

Fokke-Wulf says, '36 people on'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'that's amazing'

LadyAce says, 'but look at some of this from our perspective. Imagine you're us, here every week, and some fella comes every week with the same axe to grind.'

Sana says, 'what are we whining about?'

Peony says, 'not sure'

Rusalka says, 'i'm really sorry'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'have you ever considered the axe is being ground because the player sees it as a recurrent problem?'

LadyAce says, 'we're not trying to be rude, we're just trying to put an end to a rathole topic that's not going to go anywhere or help anyone this time around.'

Rusalka says, 'i thought I was visible'

Horror beams at Rusalka delightedly.

Herbuser says, 'so if someone is so passionate about an issue, why not take a moment to try to see it from their perspective... instead of slamming the door on them?'

LadyAce says, 'absolutely the reason someone brings it up over and over is because they think it's still a problem.'

Herbuser says, 'you know... empathetic listening?'

Horror looks up into the sky and ponders.

Atlas chuckles politely at Rusalka.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'battle surgeons are still overpowered :)'

Peony nods her agreement with Fokke-Wulf.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'I just gave up, you guys didnt listen'

LadyAce says, 'when we've heard the exact same issue presented the same way from the same person with the same attitude over and over, there's not much progress to be made.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'so I made one in the full knowledge the minute they got nerfed I could yell at you for telling me for months and months of q and a's I was wrong'

Lorenzo smiles at Rusalka.

Huginn says, 'ok besides snipers, is there any type that's not overpowered?'

Malicious says, 'I had it on the discussion board for a while... people suggested other ideas, but most of them were shot down'

Peony nods solemnly.

Malicious nods her agreement with Horror.

Atlas says, 'why are snipers overpowered?'

Peony nods solemnly.

Peony nods solemnly.

Peony nods solemnly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'in what right'

Peony says, '2c create from klein'

Peony says, 'is not overpowered'

Herbuser says, 'yeah you can say that no progress is being made... thats easy when YOU control the progress being made'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'in PK, you really cant go wrong with a cause mage'

Peony says, 'nor is 2c cause from klein'

Peony ducks under Huginn.

LadyAce says, 'let's stick with the topic of immortal behavior for a moment, folks, not balance.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'in mobkill, two battle surgeons could clean this mud out'

Huginn says to Atlas, 'I didn't say they were.'

Nexela says, 'I don't see anything wrong with the immortal behaviour :P'

Nexela says, 'Imms are people People are just blahg'

LadyAce says, 'sure, when it comes down to it, we decide what goes in and what doesn't. And there are some issues where our minds are pretty well made up.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'con/str from klein is having it's day right now, and druids are druids, they really need some sort of PKE tweak hehe'

Peony says, 'alright then'

Peony says, 'c2 dex mages from klein'

Peony says, '!'

LadyAce says, 'I really mean it :) topic is imm behavior, not balance.'

Herbuser says, 'the mentality of the immortal staff since i started playing has been to make changes that the immortals are in favor of, shove it down the throats of the players and make them eat it... then whenever someone comes up with different id'

Herbuser says, 'ideas, either toss them under the rug or tell them to vote with their feet'

Herbuser says, 'and they have'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'imm behaviour?'

Nexela says, 'I have had many of my Ideas Imped'

Horror is completely boggled.

LadyAce says, 'there are dozens and dozens of changes that go in all the time as the result of player suggestions.'

Horror says, 'my ideas own!'

Herbuser says, 'yeah, but'

Nexela nods his agreement with Horror.

Herbuser says, 'i didnt say that the imms never imp player suggestions'

Kaige says, 'can't have it both ways tho'

Herbuser says, 'i said that imms only imp ideas they like'

Rusalka blinks.

Rusalka says, 'uhm'

Atlas says, 'I think the thing is that, some players that keep coming abck are, usually, the ones who spend tons of time playing and really know the subject they are suggesting or commenting on'

Peony says, 'why should imms imp ideas they don't like'

Peony is confused.

LadyAce says, 'that's our job -- implementing the ideas we think will be good for the mud'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'there is dissent in immortal ranks you know'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'not every immortal likes every change'

LadyAce says, 'I'm NOT trying to say vote with your feet with this. But it might sound like it. Immortal judgement -- about what goes in and what doesn't -- is what differentiates muds.'

Herbuser says, 'why do they even administer a mud that no one would like? there has to be some consideration of the playerbase'

Herbuser says, 'i think its a lack of that consideration thats led us to the place we are'

Herbuser says, 'every year... less ppl'

Kaige says, 'why would we admin one we wouldn't like?'

Herbuser says, 'from 70 to 60 to 50 to 40'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'but generally, you see the same majority prevailing, and heres what irks me, when we come to add weight to the side that lost, and the player weight for that side is great, imms are forced to take the winning side despite opinions'

Herbuser says, 'to 38, after hell goes in'

Rusalka says, 'i sure won't build an area that i don't like'

Nexela says, 'Actually the problem is fewer and fewer people mud'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'yes, and whats the one constant cause of that'

Rusalka says, 'give me datea'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'of less people mudding'

Rusalka says, 'where are you folks getting your data?'

Atlas says to Rusalka, 'general play.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'ruskie, it's not that the mud has less players'

LadyAce says, 'the last time I heard a general assessment of the numbers, we hit a low some years ago and have made some progress back up, but aren't at our 'high' by any means.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'it's the players themselves'

Horror says, 'ok putting my son to bed then maybe we can get off this :('

Horror says, 'afk'

Atlas says to Rusalka, 'being here over a period of long time, you see that the number of people declines.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'inactive, not rping in public view'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Nexela's head.

LadyAce says, 'we're definitely down from long long ago. We're levelled off right now from what I can see.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'lack of PK due to well, man, PK is messed'

Herbuser says, 'if you guys are gonna sit up here and try to tell us they we dont have a problem with playerbase and player retention...'

Herbuser says, 'ha'

Rusalka thinks that a player numbers survey of all muds would be interesting actulaly. wonder if i could get a publication

Cheyla says, 'we're not saying that'

LadyAce says, 'I agree that we need more players. There's a core number needed to maintain diversity, and we're below it, in my opinion.'

Nexela says, 'I think the imms are just weeding out the people that don't get what they want.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Nexela's head.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'its not that, it's banning long time players'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'yes, and Herbruser is suggesting the problem may lie with the attitudes of the staff.'

Peony says, 'I would like a survey, that would be interesting'

Rusalka looks up into the sky and ponders.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'like dias' little stunt that landed a guy who probably has more snipers than sandra banned from the mud'

Peony says, 'wonder if the mudconnector has anything like that'

Herbuser says, 'before hell went in... like the month before it went in... you could barely even play the game - outside of that 3 hour block of time from 8pm EST to 11'

Rusalka says, 'there are an awful lot of muds'

Nexela will start one then!

Peony says, 'that could be kept honest'

Peony nods her agreement with Rusalka.

Rusalka says, 'might have to sample'

Peony says, 'would be very interesting though'

Herbuser says, 'cuz the game takes other people to play it with... you cant really do it alone and have a great tiume at it'

LadyAce says, 'in my opinion, the way that we bring more folks in is by strengthening what we're good at, not changing radically who we are to suit people who are dissatisfied by what we offer.'

Kaige says to Peony, 'Mud connector's numbers are all user submitted.'

Rusalka nods her agreement with Peony.

Malicious says, 'There's a lack of people Rping, i don't rp because I get told I "forced it" when I tried to stop it and wasn't allowed to... and I got a warning... lack of pk because pk is messed up....'

Peony nods her agreement with Kaige.

Nexela says to Rusalka, 'I would start with the top 100 sites on topmudsites or whatever it is.'

Peony says to Kaige, 'That's what I mean - that could be honest.'

Peony doesn't trust people. Eek!

Rusalka says, 'but not just the top'

Somar says, 'I've heard two people say .. and I quote .. "pk is messed up''

Malicious nods solemnly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'know what I miss? immortal promiscuity, really, like a good old fashioned mortal shooting'

Rusalka says, 'there are muds that only have 1-2 players online'

Somar says, 'what exactly is the definition of 'messed up'?'

Rusalka says, 'the top muds would skew it'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'well'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'you have pke and aa in'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'aa is abused'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'clan halls become idle central'

Nexela says, 'which is why you would have to use all 100'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'most of the time I login, go ooc, and there are the other 3 PKE people'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'clearly your way hasn't done much to increase the population.'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'or the way you approach, maybe it is time to change to fit the playerbase better.'

Herbuser says, 'business as usual isnt gonna bring people to the mud, or keep them here'

Herbuser says, 'history has shown us that'

Malicious says, 'messed for me doesn't mean much... I don't like pk because if I get into PK it messed up all my rps because people take it personnally'

Malicious says, 'and if I mix the two it gets worse...'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'oh right, theres no RP in pk, there hasnt been a war in years'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'no one is saying give up your rules and turn it all upside down either. Think of it as changing your image, like an ad campaign.'

Malicious says, 'I feel like people are afraid to do a lot of things that used to be allowed because they don't want to get warnings and such'

Peony says, 'oh. what things?'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'that and leveling'

Peony is curious, was not a mean question.

Rusalka raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'no more powerlevelling means no more fast 50 PKE'

Peony says, 'er powerlevelling I have to disagree'

Peony says, 'there is still powerlevelling, if not 10 levels at a shot'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'and nobody cares about PKE below 50, it's not interesting most of the time, and it just ruins your levelling with an xp hole fast'

Nexela says, 'Mortals=human Imms=human human=Blah Thank god Im not human'

Peony says, 'as in in one pulse'

Peony chortles with amusement.

Fokke-Wulf says, '10 levels?'

Peony says, 'well in one kill..'

Chocorua says, 'so we gave up on one topic at a time?'

Peony says, 'if you're looking for that no more right?'

Peony says, 'sure sure whatever'

Malicious says, 'I guess...'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'you used to be able to get to 15 in a few hours, grab 25 in another day tops, and then leech runs to 50'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'that and PK deaths dont help your XP if you die before 50'

LadyAce says to Atlas, 'There's a long distance between an ad campaign and changing the popular axes people grind in Q&A, which is where this started.'

Nexela says, 'then what be level 50 and sit in stag all day'

Nexela says, 'there has to be something that keeps you people coming back :p'

LadyAce says, 'Let me take a poll here -- do people feel that the issue of responding to ideas we're philosophically opposed to has been fully addressed, and we're ready to look at some other facets people have brought up?'

Nexela nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'other people brought up questions of PK and RP, shall we start with RP?'

Sana says, 'i have a regular question thing'

Nexela says, 'I say we End QnA and let heads cool'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'RP? no more mcdougan, or mcdougan chars'

Nexela panics, and attempts to flee.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'by that I mean people who carry their RP to chat'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'and keep it there'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'mcdougan can log in and it actually feels fun on chat, but also ingame'

Horror says, 'bash'

Horror says, 'er back'

Horror says, 'lol'

Atlas says, 'You can't do that here.'

Kaige says, 'I've seen other chars do it too... perhaps they're just too subtle about it?'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'I've never seen an RP here'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'in two years and probably a few thousand at keyboard hours I've never seen an interesting tinyplot or player lead RP'

Rusalka says, 'gee thanks'

Horror snickers softly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'hey, dont get me wrong, I missed that new san fran one'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'but I dont want to spend 5 housr at keyboard essentially RP-fighting with a few people over where to move a tinyplot group'

Horror says, 'rolands tinyplot was fun :P'

Rusalka says, 'i can think of at least one major rp in the last two years that was player driven'

Nexela says, 'Fine I'll do a mortal TP if it will make you happy!'

Kaige smiles at Nexela.

LadyAce says, 'you should :)'

Cheyla smiles at Nexela.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'imms could encourage RP more'

Rusalka nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Fokke-Wulf, 'What you see as missing, you should do.'

Peony says, 'the entire environment encourages RP with a firm base and interactive world'

Fokke-Wulf says to LadyAce, 'why, all I've ever known is how to lead a tinyplot around for 5 hours.'

Chocorua says, 'without players RPing ther eisn't a lot of use to runnign TP's and mortal lead RP leads to much more fun than scripted RP at TPs'

Peony says, 'as well as moods, descs, other people with descs, all that silliness. perhaps you need to define the level of 'rp' noticeability you're speaking of'

Rusalka nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Fokke-Wulf says to LadyAce, 'this dark lord people always talk about, never seen anyone bother doing him since I hot here.'

Nexela says, 'Cause he basicly bit the dust'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Nexela's head.

Sana says, 'stupid fish'

Horror says, 'i've seen the dark lord'

Sana says, 'who cares'

Nexela nods his agreement with Sana.

LadyAce says to Fokke-Wulf, 'I think that RP got a bit stale after being around for so long, honestly.'

Rusalka says, 'then invent someone else'

Rusalka says, 'make your own gods'

Rusalka says, 'and demons'

Peony says, 'the new dark lord is a chicken'

Sana says, 'and name them, sana'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'but, I already do'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'choc is god'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'and ummm'

Sana says, 'and worship them with gold donations'

Horror chuckles politely.

Rusalka says to LadyAce, 'Most probably.'

Malicious says, 'can we idea things like mobs and such?'

Nexela says, 'choc is pure evil :p'

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'silence, dont insult my god'

Malicious says, 'I mean isn't that an imm thing mostly?'

Rusalka says, 'i take suggestions'

Malicious nods solemnly.

Sana says to Fokke-Wulf, 'everyones been your god at one point or another.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'probably'

Rusalka says, 'if you don't like the rp you see, make your own'

Sana says, 'your like the village bicicle of worship'

Cheyla says, 'idea'ing mobs would is good, yes'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'omg! the truth has been revealed!'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'all hail sana!'

Fokke-Wulf falls to his knees and worships Sana's existence.

Sana says, 'w00t'

Horror chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'if you need imm support for your RP ideas, we're here to help.'

Nexela hails Sana, yelling 'Ave! Ave! Ave, Sana imperator!'

Chocorua says, 'well i was just suggesting that if you don't see interesting rp , try and create some'

Herbuser says, 'its like programming board at school... you really really wanna see dave matthews play at your school, but no one on the board likes him. so you give them the idea but it never happens, not because of your budget or capabilities... b'

Atlas says, 'I want to say something about RP and stimulating fun stuff'

Sana says, 'i had an idea for a character'

Herbuser says, 'because of your budget or capabilities... but cuz they're not interested'

Sana says, 'well actually it wasnt my idea but still'

Herbuser says, 'they dont own the idea'

Herbuser says, 'so they wont see it done'

Sana says, 'she's a terribly abused house wife domestic type'

Peony snickers at Sana nastily.

Rusalka says, 'hm'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'that was my idea'

Rusalka looks up into the sky and ponders.

Fokke-Wulf slaps Sana.

Sana says, 'and i need some imm help to umm, make a mob that follows her around slapping her'

Herbuser says, 'so whats to be done? well you try to join the programming board... but the problem is you have to get voted in by ppl on the board'

Rusalka says, 'interesting'

Herbuser says, 'who only vote in their friends'

Nexela rolls around on the ground with laughter.

LadyAce says to Herbuser, 'There's a difference between ideas we're opposed to and ideas we're not excited about but players are.'

Rusalka says, 'rp is actually one thing that is very much in the power of the players'

Herbuser says, 'so what do you do? you go to the concert when it comes to the school next door'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'I dont have time to completely reform RP, really i cant remake 6 years of work that it probably took to build RP'

Nexela likes the cross topics going on here makes him wonder just how dyslexic he really is

Rusalka says, 'some of us rp our morts'

Malicious says, 'rp isn't something imms can fix... that's the player's job.'

Rusalka says, 'and we do tinyplots'

Peony says, 'does RP really need reforming?'

Atlas says, 'I think I once suggested that imms take a greater role in RP, by somehow being linked to an RP plot, so if some players ask for an imm to represent in their RP, the imm could maybe make mobs talk and help them with it'

Peony says, 'do tinyplots really help RP?'

Peony says, 'OOM'

LadyAce says to Fokke-Wulf, 'It's not a matter of reforming it -- it's about contributing what you want to see more of.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'imms can do something'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'especially encouraging the best kind of RP, the PK kind'

Rusalka says to Atlas, 'We've done that.'

Horror says, 'can i RP as sana's slave master *crack whip*'

Atlas says to Rusalka, 'not on a tiny plot basis.'

LadyAce says to Atlas, 'That happens all the time, yea.'

Atlas says to Rusalka, 'but on an ongoing one.'

Rusalka says, 'ah, actually, yeah'

Horror says, 'sweet!'

Nexela says, 'Just have to coordinate it with an Imm'

Rusalka says, 'hard to do ongoing :)'

Rusalka says, 'some of us arn't around all the time'

Nexela nods his agreement with Rusalka.

Atlas says, 'so if me and some people have RP, you guys would help make it more real by doing stuff like that?'

Rusalka says, 'but actulaly, that's how the darklord was'

LadyAce says, 'I think that tinyplots can give some folks practice in RP, and the ones which are just gatherings are definitely ones which encourage RP'

Nexela says, 'Its 3 am I wan't an Imm to do a mob for a tinyplot for me!'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Nexela's head.

Horror snickers softly.

Rusalka says, 'various imms played the darklord on chat'

Somar says to Nexela, 'I'm an insomniac.'

Nexela says to Somar, 'Me too but work sucks :p'

LadyAce says to Atlas, 'I'd say, let people know what you need, see if it can't be done.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'the only imm action I see on chat is Huginn grabbing a mob to rub in tha pain.'

Horror says, 'the dark lord got ruined'

Horror says, 'with all the guppy crap'

Huginn says, 'rub in which pain?'

Kaige laughs.

Atlas nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Fokke-Wulf shrugs helplessly.

Malicious says, 'do imms avoid getting on because they don't want to be spammed?'

Atlas says, 'ya'

Kaige says, 'that was what actually kicked off most of the dark lord stuff'

Kaige peers at Horror, looking her up and down.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'I dunno, you just like getting on mobs when stuff happens and then go with it, it's amusing sometimes'

Peony says, 'all pain!'

Horror says, 'not the way i remembered it'

Peony says, 'huginn is evil'

Peony peers at Huginn, looking him up and down.

Peony says, 'evil huginn of death'

Nexela peers at himself myopically.

Atlas says, 'Oh, I got a question'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'i cant remmeber an example, last time i saw an imm do a mob it was me asking rufus to get on skatha so she could respond to spite hitting on her'

Chocorua says, 'teh dark lord was already around before my first pkiller started ...'

Atlas says, 'Do the imms actively play? Or do they not get to participate as much because they are imms?'

Horror says, 'lol yeah me too'

Chocorua says, 'and that was probably only second generation pkillers'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'choc, pkill?'

Horror says, 'i was in DE too'

Horror laughs.

Cheyla says to Atlas, 'Both.'

Fokke-Wulf head explodes.

Rusalka says, 'depends'

LadyAce says, 'ok, folks -- I don't like to end good discussions, but there are too many topics flying around, and a number of people have regular questions.'

Nexela nods his agreement with Horror.

Sana says, 'choc had a pkiller?'

Fokke-Wulf nods his agreement with Sana.

Horror laughs.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'mindblowin'

Chocorua says, 'yeah, he's an LoP now'

Horror looks up into the sky and ponders.

Somar probably fought him before :P

Horror says, 'choc is aginor!'

Horror ducks under Chocorua.

Cheyla snickers softly.

Atlas says to Chocorua, 'who were you?'

Chocorua says to Horror, 'No i was a follower of the darklord,is why i knwo a bit about it.'

Malicious says, 'if I get player opinions and kind of act as a player representative, will what I say have more weight?'

Horror says, 'i was as well choc'

Horror says, 'you knew me'

Horror grins evilly.

Chocorua nods his agreement with Horror.

LadyAce says, 'ok, we really need to go back to hands.'

Horror says, 'i was peon then tho :P'

Peony says, 'peon'

Peony points proudly at herself.

Malicious says, 'like say I hold a meeting and listen to the player opinions and get the census, am I more likely to get a positive answer and responce?'

Atlas says to Chocorua, 'who were you?'

LadyAce says, 'I'm scrolling up to see who was next, if you have more comments please raise to be added to queue or toss something on discussion.'

Malicious says, 'oops'

Chocorua says to Atlas, 'Malorn.'

Atlas looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce points at Horror.

Horror says, 'what?'

Horror peers at herself myopically.

Horror says, 'did i raise'

Sana says, 'horror forfeits and i have a related lop question'

Horror says, 'oh i was joking with sana sorry'

Malicious says, 'I did...'

LadyAce says, 'twice!'

LadyAce points at Sana.

Horror ducks under LadyAce.

Horror says, 'sorry i wont do that anymore :('

Horror snickers softly.

Nexela raises his glass in a toast to Horror.

Sana says, 'when you apply and get turned down do you apply again later or is this somethign where they keep your thing and deny you every few monthes?'

LadyAce says, 'when I was turned down, I reworked my app and reapplied.'

Cheyla says, 'it takes most people that get in two attempts'

Atlas says, 'why is the imm vote first?'

Atlas says, 'why not the player vote?'

Herbuser says, 'cuz they're the programming board bro'

LadyAce says, 'oh, this is Lop! not imming!'

Cheyla says, 'oh, you mean LOP?'

Peony snickers softly.

Sana says, 'yeah lop'

LadyAce says, 'sorry, I forgot you said it was a lop question.'

Horror says, 'lol sana an imm!'

Kaige says, 'basically the same answer applies, you reapply'

Sana says, 'oh'

Horror panics, and attempts to flee.

Sana says, 'okay'

Sandra says, 'I keep your app, but if it got turned down, you should reapply with a new one'

Sana says, 'hah, i'd imm the hell out of you horror, first on the list'

Horror nods her agreement with Sana.

Horror says, 'its ok i like the abuse'

Kaige says, 'and hopefully have done something to increase your legendary status in the meantime'

Atlas says, 'finally have a mob follow her and slap her'

LadyAce says, 'tell huginn hehe'

LadyAce says, 'oops'

Huginn giggles.

Atlas laughs.

LadyAce winks suggestively at Huginn.

Huginn hugs LadyAce.

Nexela says, 'Hey no secrets at QnA'

LadyAce says, 'other question was, why immort vote first?'

Sana says, 'dont worry'

Peony says, 'ew, they're getting all mushy'

Sana says, 'they just ragging on me'

Sana says, 'as always'

Nexela nods his agreement with Sana.

Horror looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'we're the first filter because why drag players through a process of voting if we won't allow the LoP in?'

LadyAce says, 'or at least that's what I figured when the thing was set up'

LadyAce raises her eyebrow at Sandra.

Atlas says, 'I think a lot more people would be approved by players than imms'

Sandra says, 'basically what LA said'

Sandra shakes her head in disagreement with Atlas.

Somar says, 'you'd be surprised ...'

Peony says, 'I'd prefer a player vote first'

Peony says, 'BUT'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'good thing immortals get to decide who's legendary based on such great requirements as whether or not you followed the rules'

Sandra says, 'players are WAY harsh compared to the ocmmittee'

Cheyla says, 'you'd be surprized, actually'

Peony says, 'I think player votes are harsher'

Peony laughs.

Nexela remembers now

Somar says, 'I'm lucky I got my lop through the imm-only voting back in the hol days ;)'

Somar says, 'made things MUCH easier'

Horror says, 'i should apply with S'

Sana says, 'fokke has a good point'

Peony says, 'well yeah but I'd prefer a player vote but not only because of things being easier or anything'

Horror says, 'k :P'

Sana says, 'I want to apply to lop on behalf of ronnie'

Peony says, 'more of because it's a player vote...'

Atlas says, 'I thought Flagg was the imm-vote'

Sana says, 'cant say he isnt legendary as all get out'

Kaige says, 'the player of the character has to apply.. no applying for someone else'

Sana says, 'what if the player has split personalities'

Sana says, 'and one of them applys with the others character?'

Peony says, 'if you're ronnie I won't like you any more though'

Huginn says to Sana, 'Have to wait until they cycle through.'

Peony sniffs sadly at Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'the reason we have the rules we have is because we think they're good for the mud. We'd be doing a disservice to the community if we said people who did things that were bad for the mud deserved to be honored and enshrined.'

Peony says to Sana, 'And I like you!'

LadyAce says, 'other LoP'y questions?'

Sana says, 'hmm'

Peony says, 'er'

Peony says, 'me'

Horror says, 'yeah'

Atlas says, 'SO a player's opinions'

Horror says, 'i got one'

Sana says, 'what if you'

Peony says, 'why not player vote? I'm asking not because I think that player votes are less harsh'

Sana says, 'err yeah i got one too'

Horror says, 'barabas should teach a spellchant :P'

Atlas says, 'could wreck his chances at LoP?'

Horror says, 'that is all...'

Peony says, 'but because if I were to apply for a lop with anyone, I'd prefer to have a playre vote first'

Peony says, 'harshness and all'

Huginn says, 'barabas was a thug.. not a teacher'

Peony says, 'so if we leave aside the 'we just want it easier' thing'

Peony says, 'why not?'

Peony may have missed the response.

Sandra says, 'I'm sorry, what's the lop question(s)? I'm half paying attention'

Sandra says, 'and cats are climbing on me'

Horror says, 'no just an idea sandra'

LadyAce says to Peony, 'If we have no intention of ever letting a LoP in, regardless of what players vote, why would we ask players to vote?'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'Why not a player vote first instead of imm vote.'

Sandra says, 'oh'

Peony is confused.

Peony says, 'no I mean'

Peony says, 'no imm vote, the imms can vote with their players.'

Sana says, 'so we can beat you people down with overwhelming voter pressure'

Peony i s confused.

Fokke-Wulf says to Peony, 'pfft.'

Peony says, 'I know the player vote is harsher'

Peony says, 'from the way I vote'

Peony says, 'why can't it be that way?'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'Oh sorry... just open season from the players.'

Fokke-Wulf says to Peony, 'they're way more important than us, they represent so much more of the community than we do.'

Peony's pea brain rolls around.

Atlas says, 'A player could have RP and PK reputation, but you're saying if that player expresses differing opinions with the imms they won't be allowed to get in?'

Sandra says, 'there's a committee of imms that vote on the overall app. If it's a poorly done app, and doesn't show that the person is legendary, then they'll turn it down'

LadyAce says, 'difference of opinion is fine, but breaking the rules isn't.'

Fokke-Wulf laughs.

Herbuser says, 'a committee.. or "board" as in... programming board'

Peony says, 'oh'

Sandra says, 'basically, you gotta prove in the app that you're legendary'

Peony says, 'guess I don't agree then'

Peony flops about helplessly.

Sandra says, 'if you don't, it'll get turned down'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'but you're not immortalising his breaking of rules.'

Peony says, 'okie question answered'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'you're just taking his RP and PK qualities and putting it into a mob.'

LadyAce says, 'yea, we wouldn't honor or immortalize someone's bad behavior. Better to discourage that sort of thing than reward it.'

Chocorua says, 'ok guys my headache came back, i'm gonna stopstaring at a scrolling screen'

Chocorua waves happily.

Somar waves to Chocorua.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'save our saviour!'

Horror chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'did we mostly cover the LoP stuff? We had at least one more hand to cover also.'

Herbuser says to LadyAce, 'So basically what you're saying is that if you display disent with the government then you're a terrorist and you're gonna be held without trial in cuba?'

Cheyla says, 'no'

Horror snickers softly.

Horror says, 'jesus man'

Somar says, 'you're just not going to become a national hero for it'

Sandra says, 'wow that came outta left field didn't it'

LadyAce says to Herbuser, 'If you break the rules, we're not going to honor you for it.'

Horror nods her agreement with Sandra.

Sana says, 'look at morphine'

Somar says, 'you don't give a congressional medal of honor to someone for going to prison'

Herbuser says, 'hey... the name says it all'

Sana says, 'she was a naughty little monkey and still got in'

Peony says, 'think that was default from flagg's hol though'

Somar says to Sana, 'Morphine had a career number of warnings of one minor .. :P'

Herbuser says to Somar, 'Not today you dont... but who knows what the future will hold.'

Huginn says, 'she had photos'

Peony says, 'might not get in now'

Atlas says, 'You can first get a congressional medal and then go to prison'

Sandra says, 'morphine was actually a HoL mob already in the file. Everyone in the file made it into LoP'

Atlas says, 'they won't revoke the medal'

Sana dismisses everyone.

Horror says, 'wheres DEW and SUNE Then :P'

Horror stomps around.

Sandra says, 'Sylia'

Horror says, 'bah'

Sana says, 'next time just smile and nod so they stop the debate'

Horror says, 'i want dew'

Sandra giggles.

Somar says, 'regardless of what may have been rumored, suggested, or otherwise, morphine stayed within the rules :P'

Horror says, 'and sune'

Sandra says, 'Sylia was scarier'

Sana says, 'imms wouldnt know a bail out attempt if it bit them on the butt'

Horror says, 'bah pansy'

Horror stomps around.

LadyAce says, 'let's go ahead on to Malicious's question.'

Herbuser says, 'sylia's a kitten'

LadyAce points at Malicious.

Herbuser meows cattily at Sandra.

Malicious says, 'if I get player opinions and kind of act as a player representative, will what I say have more weight? For example, if I hold a meeting and get a whole group census on a given problem, will I have a better response than if I just say'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'that's another thing you leave questions unanswered.'

Malicious says, 'if I just say my opinion'

Atlas says to LadyAce, 'and you give unsatisfactory responses.'

Peony says to Sana, 'Hey I smiled and nodded because imms obviously don't agree with what I think of the lop app process ;) see? we're not stuck on that now.'

Atlas is just making observations.

LadyAce says to Atlas, 'I try to ask if we've covered it before I go on -- if not, please re-ask and I'll give you another go.'

Herbuser says to LadyAce, 'Perform for us damnit!'

Herbuser sweeps LadyAce into a romantic waltz - aren't they a striking couple?

Horror snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'I think we'd treat all players equally when they came to us with feedback'

Sandra says, 'I thought I answered the Lop stuff. I'm half here, so if I missed it catch me in tells or somethin'

Peony says to Sandra, 'You did! we disagreed ;)'

Peony grins evilly.

Sandra says, 'okie'

Horror chuckles politely.

Sandra says, 'we can do that!'

Atlas says, 'This can only be solved by a fight to the death!'

LadyAce says, 'does that answer it? If so, I'm going to get Atlas to tell us what we didn't answer before :)'

Huginn holds Peony as a shield, and Sana as a weapon!

Malicious says, 'or if I got more opinions of players would we there be a better chance of changing a hard and fast rule?'

Peony goes EEK! in distress.

Malicious says, 'that's a better form of the question.'

LadyAce says, 'I think that twenty individual players would be way more effective than one person claiming to speak for 20'

Cheyla is curious what rule.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Herbuser says, 'i dont understand how thats relavant to the topic... she's asking about player representation and petitioning basically'

Rusalka says, 'pardon, but I'm off to bed'

Atlas says, 'ok here's the thing I felt you didn't answer. A character could be well designed and popular, but getting into arguments with imms while OOC should not affect his LoP app'

Horror flourishes grandly.

Malicious waves to Rusalka.

Rusalka gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Somar waves to Rusalka.

Nexela waves to Rusalka.

Rusalka slowly fades into thin air.

Atlas says, 'because you're not juding the person, you're judging the character'

Sandra says, 'oh that wouldn't affect his app'

Nexela patiently twiddles his thumbs.

Atlas says, 'But Ladyace said that if you're known as someone who isn't 'by the rules' you won't get it'

Sandra says, 'arguing isn't breaking rules'

Sandra says, 'a warning list a mile long is'

Kaige says, 'usually because you're too busy not playing by the rules to be building up your reputation otherwise.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'is asking you if steal is fixed every q n a breaking the rules?'

Sandra says, 'nah, that's target practice'

Huginn says, 'dusk was in no way by the rules and he got to the polls'

Sana says, 'whoah i missed dusk voting?'

Huginn says, 'players nixed him'

Peony says, 'yeah'

Sandra nods her agreement with Sana.

Peony says, 'I voted him!'

Peony snickers softly.

Sana says, 'aww'

Malicious giggles.

Huginn nods his agreement with Sana.

Sana says, 'you stinking player loser turds'

Sandra says, 'players are way harsh'

Atlas says, 'He did it way too late'

Peony nods her agreement with Sandra.

Peony nods her agreement with Atlas.

Peony says to Atlas, 'Catch 22.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'that bugs me too, that lops will do just that, build up their reputation right before a poll, I've seen some truly unremarkable chars get to polls'

LadyAce says, 'Did we cover both the player rep question and the LoP question? You guys overlapped each other.'

Peony says to Atlas, 'Catch 22 of lops, you have to want to play them to have them have a decent chanced to be lopped in which case you wouldn't lop them.'

Peony wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff her breath!

Nexela says to Malicious, 'Man I am so tired You should come visit me.'

Sandra says, 'I think that's because we have longer memories.(not an insult)'

Nexela nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Huginn says to Sandra, 'Did you just call me an elephant?!'

Sandra says, 'like, I'd say Dusty should be in the polls, but some here would say 'Who?''

LadyAce says, 'Oh, I do have one thing to add to the player rep question.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Sana says, 'who?'

Atlas says, 'you mean like Ganymede?'

Malicious nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'when we're talking about changes to clans, we sometimes will go to GMs rather than the general populace or all clanned people.'

LadyAce says, 'GM meetings and so on.'

Fokke-Wulf laughs.

Atlas says, 'wow, that's a new low'

Peony says, 'ugh'

Peony says, 'gm meetings'

Peony says, 'UGH'

Malicious nods solemnly.

Peony says, '(sorry)'

LadyAce says, 'eh, just trying to be complete. Usually it's all about direct representation -- one player, one feedback slot'

Malicious nods solemnly.

Fokke-Wulf wrinkles his nose with distaste.

Sandra says, 'I'm confused, so I'm going back oow'

LadyAce says, 'although people who post on boards and come to Q&A are likely to have their opinions heard far more often than those who never share their opinions or advocate for their causes.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'sandra smells'

Sandra says, 'it's coz I'm standing next to you'

Nexela says to Sandra, 'After my question! :p'

Malicious giggles.

Peony says, 'actually it's more of qna isn't at an accessible time for some people'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'you're my cat?'

Peony says, 'so it's not really very fair to put it that way'

Fokke-Wulf pets Sandra lovingly.

Nexela says, 'if I can get to it.....'

LadyAce says to Peony, 'We have the feedback channel for those folks though.'

Peony says, 'it really depends on your timezone and circumstances'

Peony shrugs helplessly.

Peony says, 'I've heard so many times that'

Peony says, 'yeah but players never brought it up at the qna'

Malicious says, 'there's the discussion board too'

Peony says, 'just pointing out that qna is a very small segment'

Peony says, 'and not necessarily determined by how much anyone wants to give input'

Peony shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'I guess that's a sort of rough player representation -- getting someone else to bring up your issue at Q&A'

Malicious says, 'I bring up my own issue...'

LadyAce says, 'notes, boards, the channel, the bug/idea channel, catching an imm online...'

Kaige says, 'mudmailing an imm responsible for what you're concerned with'

Peony says, 'actually sometimes when I make observations to an imm, the response I get is'

Peony says, 'that wasn't mentioned at qna by players =)'

Peony says, 'that's what I'm trying to say, that's the sort of *gargle* response. but nevermind, let's not scrap about this either'

Peony flops about helplessly.

Kaige says, 'then I'd suggest you post to teh discussion board and get it aired over a very wide audience.'

Kaige smiles at Peony.

LadyAce says, 'well, I imagine someone would respond that way because we schedule Q&A very carefully to try to give players time to respond to changes before they go in.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'yeah, there were some monstrous changes this week'

Fokke-Wulf says to Huginn, 'you animal!'

LadyAce says, 'so a comment that was a 'why didn't this get changed before it went in?' would be a 'we didn't hear that before it went in' sort of reply'

Huginn laughs at Fokke-Wulf.

Kaige says to Fokke-Wulf, 'Thanks. i did those.'

Huginn cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Fokke-Wulf says, 'did you fix animate dead?'

Kaige says, 'no I broke it, huginn fixed it but didn't remove the broken part cause he didn't realize it was there, and I fixed it again, but we haven't crashed'

Atlas says to Kaige, 'i know you have a crash button!'

LadyAce points at Herbuser.

Fokke-Wulf says to LadyAce, 'kick the CPU, maybe we'll get lucky :P'

Malicious says, 'that's a darned if you do darned if you don't scenero'

Sana says, 'sheesh'

LadyAce isn't home, she's still at work :)

Nexela says, 'well Im off to work.......'

Kaige says, 'no. I have the shutdown immediate button,... but I think I still have some time until my luck expires on which window I'm in when I type it'

Herbuser says, 'uhh yeah i kinda tuned this out over the last couple minutes... so if someone alrdy asked this'

Fokke-Wulf says to LadyAce, 'ah, addicted to workahol are we.'

Herbuser says, 'sorry'

Herbuser says, 'but'

Sana says, 'my "what are some of your tactics" part of this lop thing is already like 9 pages long and I havent even gotten an 8th of them put down'

Sana bursts into tears.

Fokke-Wulf laughs.

Peony giggles at Sana.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'sana tactocs'

Peony says, 'be parawarcried entire fight and wake up to die!'

Peony beams at Sandra delightedly.

Sana says, '23590yuhosghtsplu tjhsg'

Peony says to Sandra, 'Make a sana mob like that!'

Huginn laughs.

Peony ducks to the ground.

Sana swears loudly: @*&^%@*&!

Herbuser says, 'whats the deal with hell? having a character trapped inside an area for like a day isnt fun... nothing about that is fun... then getting him out and bringing another one in to explore and getting that one trapped is even less fun'

Sana says, 'that was SOOOOO not cool'

Peony says, 'not to mention'

Sana says, 'omfg'

Peony says, 'are...'

Peony says, 'you..'

Peony says, 'throwing...'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'phlegyas = fun'

Peony says, 'darts...'

Peony says, 'at me...?'

Sana snickers softly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'you locking vendetta in a clan hall poisoned'

Sana says, 'yeah im gonna request to have that as my dying words'

Sana says to Fokke-Wulf, 'he soooo deserved it.'

Fokke-Wulf says to Sana, 'by that logic, the multing we did afterwards was justified.'

Sana says, 'i cant remembere why but im not the type to randomly do something like that'

LadyAce says, 'hrm, I think I've missed what the question was'

Herbuser says, 'if i didnt have like 10 characters i'd be pretty pissed off about having 1 of them locked in an 8 room area cuz someone decided show off their epenos and whack phylegas'

Herbuser says, 'whats the deal with hell? having a character trapped inside an area for like a day isnt fun... nothing about that is fun... then getting him out and bringing another one in to explore and getting that one trapped is even less fun'

Herbuser says, 'that was the q'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'hell's pretty quick to transverse'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'but phlegyas is a pain in the royal arse'

Herbuser says, 'yeah it really is... but there are these bottlenecks... charon, phylegas, geryon... then these guys are down it really screws everyone else'

LadyAce says, 'I'd say, use bug/idea to give your feedback. Kae, Kaige, and Cheyla have done a ton of work in response to things players have commented on.'

Herbuser says, 'hard... and without lube'

Malicious says, 'Hell's new, so it's gonna have major issues that people don't agree with...'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'charon isnt such a bottleneck, phlegyas really irks me'

Sandra says, 'I think taht Kae said that their repop is gonna get fixed for tomorrow'

Somar gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Somar says, 'got to run :('

Cheyla says, 'charon actually was to begin with'

LadyAce says, 'that and give it some time to settle in and get those things fixed :)'

Somar slowly fades into thin air.

Cheyla says, 'prior to one of our reboots for major fixes that day, he got puton a lower repop... but nobody had even gotten past him yet'

Herbuser says, 'giving players the ability to kill a mob and limit 9 other players ability to play... is like giving me the slay command'

Herbuser says, 'you just dont do it'

Herbuser says, 'ever'

Sana says, 'i think hell has a few getting in and getting out issues that need to be looked at'

Sana peers around intently.

LadyAce says, 'so, any last questions? We're really up against the hard limit for time unless there are pressing issues'

Herbuser says, 'that raises another question'

Malicious giggles.

Herbuser says, 'hell was in testing for like a year'

Herbuser says, 'so...'

Herbuser says, 'wtfbbq?'

Sandra says, 'mmm bbq'

Peony says, 'bbq!'

Peony whines.

Sandra nods her agreement with Peony.

Sandra says, 'I just love typing 'nod peon''

Malicious giggles.

Peony points proudly at herself.

Sandra says, 'you gotta realize that we don't stand around for repop when we're testing mob strengths'

LadyAce says, 'Players have a way of finding bugs in the first week that couldn't be found by months of immortal testing. Some areas take longer for imms to test than others.'

Sandra says, 'I go in, beat 'em up, put up bugs, reboot, do it again'

Kaige says, 'they also don't kill things usually because they get stuck and can't figure out a puzzle'

LadyAce says, 'it really depends on the area, the testers, the builder -- how done the area was to start with, how much the builder has the urge to tweak and change and rearrange and need things re-tested because of it, and so on.'

Kaige saw that happen with Charon early on.

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'just cause you can, doesn't mean you should.'

LadyAce says, 'yea, the first bit of an area install is always a total kill fest...everything's dead, none of the more subtle features are available :P'

Herbuser says, 'i know geryon has broken on me twice'

Cheyla says, 'but most of all, make sure you submit bug reports on stuff, and try to be detailed'

Spanish-Flea says, 'yeah, because there was such an indication of how to get those battered coins'

Kaige says, 'and I do think there was an issue where mobs were turning and attacking other mobs that Kae didn't intend to happen, which I think she also fixed for tomorrow'

Malicious giggles at Spanish-Flea.

Cheyla says, 'if you think something specific you did caused the problem, mention it.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'the most infuriating part of hell is the stuff you need'

Spanish-Flea says, 'arturo just reminded me'

Kaige says, 'be a boy scout... be prepared!'

Spanish-Flea says, 'I am'

Spanish-Flea says, 'other people arent'

Spanish-Flea says, 'and some characters cant be prepared'

Herbuser says, 'art wants someone to fly him... yeah i'd be down for that if it didnt mean stranding another alt there for a day'

Kaige says, 'good thing to have friends who are then. =)'

Spanish-Flea says, 'you cant cross the styx prepared as a pure fighter'

Malicious says, 'I think they should sell certain vials there for a bit of money, like a couple thou.'

Huginn waves happily.

Cheyla says, 'i'm sure kae would be open for suggestion... but i'm also curious whether all the stuff in hell has been found yet, either'

Malicious says, 'prolly not...'

Spanish-Flea says, 'we've got the basic jist'

Kaige says, 'anyway. I have to cook dinner here and make the kids dinner and see if Ptah is alive yet after succumbing to jet lag after going to China this week.'

Herbuser says, 'its really hard to move around and really get down to the exploring when everytime you go down there's either a bottleneck from a bug, or from ppl whacking a critical mob'

Spanish-Flea says, 'we should Lotp Ptah'

Spanish-Flea says, 'and he can go around shooting people with under 1000 hours played'

Malicious says, 'that is expected though when a new area goes in'

Malicious says, 'I'm safe'

Kaige says, 'nah. he logs in every so often to talk to me.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'make him a newbie imm alt :P'

LadyAce says, 'any other questions, or are we all done?'

Spanish-Flea says, 'and that way, somar and huma can have target practice :p'

LadyAce says, 'going....going.....'

Kaige says, 'anyway, I need to scoot.'

Kaige waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'gone :)'

Malicious waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'thanks for coming, folks.'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

LadyAce waves happily.

Malicious flops about helplessly.

Sandra says, 'oh doneness'

Lorenzo gets a loon wing wand from a battered purple leather backpack.

Peony peers at Sandra, looking her up and down.

Lorenzo gives a loon wing wand a great big smooch!

Malicious giggles at Sandra.

Herbuser says, 'another q&a, another session of no lube anal penetration'

Peony says to Sandra, 'You're a contributing member of society!'

Peony says to Sandra, 'A pillar!'

Peony says to Sandra, 'Stands in the corner and keeps quiet!'

Peony nudges Sandra.

Lorenzo says to Cheyla, 'thanks for this :)'

Cheyla says, 'heh, and we get asked about our negative attitudes'

Lorenzo giggles.

Cheyla smiles at Lorenzo.

Lorenzo puts a loon wing wand in a battered purple leather backpack.

Malicious says, 'I never feel like anything gets accoplished at Q&A other than players get to vent... I remember why I tend to avoid it...'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Malicious.

Malicious says, 'I'm gonna stick with boards and notes'

Cheyla says, 'my eyes are watering, does that count as an accomplishment?'

Malicious says, 'were you trying to pretend like you were crying?'

Spanish-Flea says to Cheyla, 'go make kae wipe them dry, and then give you a foot massage.'

Cheyla shakes her head in disagreement with Malicious.

Cheyla chuckles politely at Spanish-Flea.

Malicious says, 'then no, it wasn't an accomplishment...'

Malicious says, 'sorry..'

Cheyla pouts.

Malicious says, 'I definatly feel bad for you imms though... having to deal...'

Galahad lies down in a cloud of brimstone.

Malicious waves to Cheyla.

Cheyla waves happily.

Kaige flops about helplessly.

Marcel beeps Kaige on the nose.

Kaige might or might not be here long.

Kaige feels like crap.

Marcel says, 'still sick?'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Marcel wrinkles his nose with distaste.

Marcel comforts Kaige.

Kaige says, 'had both kids home today.. but David's fever's gone, so he was bouncing off the walls'

Marcel says, 'which is like, exactly what you don't need while feeling like shit I imagine'

Kaige says, 'but they're both going tomorrow.. tho I did enjoy sleeping in until 10L:30'

Marcel giggles.

Kaige nods her agreement with Marcel.

Marcel bets.

Marcel is trying to write but figured he'd drop in for supports' sake or something.

Kaige says to Marcel, '' doh. slipped to 51 at topmudsites and moved up to 269 on mudconnector.'

Kaige thanks Marcel heartily.

Marcel says, 'going the right way on one of them at least :)'

Kaige says, 'we'd been sitting at 50 for a couple days... so the other one got a jump on us if not everyone's been voting regularly'

Marcel says, 'well, I haven't been here the last few days to poke people either'

Kaige usually hits it in the morning before really waking up, and again before dinner

Kaige nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'I imagine that -does- make a difference'

Kaige says, 'yeah they got one more in than we did'

Marcel snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'we have like twice their outs tho'

Marcel says, 'obviously the blurp I wrote wasn't all bad because we do get quite a lot of outs'

Kaige says, 'Sometimes, in order to make friends, you have to KILL them!'

Kaige snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'nice premise'

Marcel snickers softly.

Marcel nods his agreement with Kaige.

Marcel'd avoid that one like the plague.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'I put all the links you guys found yesterday in a new category at the site'

Marcel giggles.

Kaige says, 'ahh... The Eternal City ... if I ever did another one of these, I think that's what I'd want to do... a huge sprawling city that every so often you could find new rat holes to slip into and explore'

Marcel says, 'some useful stuff for inspiration in there after all'

Kaige says, 'cool'

Marcel says to Kaige, 'That's how like Ankh-Morpork is on discworld.'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'it's like 2,000 rooms and they keep adding to it ever so slowly'

Kaige says, 'but that'd be boring... you'd have to like GO BACK and look at things cloers'

Marcel does stress -slowly-,

Kaige says, 'err closer'

Marcel giggles.

Marcel nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'well, a lot of it is quite dull'

Marcel says, 'you can only hope this will change -sometime-'

Marcel flops about helplessly.

Marcel doubts that tonight will be anymore interesting than usual.

Kaige says to Marcel, 'Yay! i didn't even recognize the top of that list as what I sent you.'

Kaige giggles.

Marcel giggles.

Somar flops himself down and gets comfortable.

LadyAce smiles at Somar.

Somar smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'hi unca somar'

Somar pounces on LadyAce, bowling her over.

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce bounces onto Somar's lap.

Somar says, 'hold on, you might get hurt bouncing around like that .. this has sharp edges'

Somar stops using the LegendMUD air hockey trophy.

Somar puts the LegendMUD air hockey trophy in Patchy, the patchwork bag.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Somar's head.

Marcel says, 'mmm, marinara screwtape'

Screwtape splashes water all over Marcel - wanna join in the fun?

Marcel wrinkles his nose with distaste.

Marcel cleans his blazer off with obvious dismay.

Kaige says to Marcel, 'New brand of cleaner?'

Marcel says, 'Yes -- Obvious Dismay(tm), gets 'em all, even those pesky lava spots'

LadyAce says, 'there, much better'

Screwtape says, 'Use new Dismay! For those tough, tough stains!'

Wren says, 'spin jumpm dance bounce!'

Wren says, 'I'm sana!'

Wren says, 'I just look like wren'

LadyAce discreetly sniffs the air around Wren.

LadyAce says, 'you don't smell like Sana'

Somar lurks around Sana ominously!

Wren says, 'that's wren!'

Sana stares deeply into Somar's eyes... you wonder if you're intruding.

Wren says, 'she just looks like sana'

Wren points at Sana.

Somar knocks Sandra over and flops all over her.

Sandra squeezes Somar's nose and says, 'HONK HONK.'

LadyAce says, 'sooo, who has questions?'

Lisette snickers softly.

Sana says, 'wheres the update post!'

Sana stares off into space.

Wren says, 'OOOOH'

Sana peers around intently.

Lisette giggles at Wren.

Lisette says to Wren, 'Squishy!!'

LadyAce points at Sana.

Sana stomps on a giant bowl of marinara sauce - it breaks into a million little pieces.

LadyAce says, 'or was that your question? :)'

Screwtape stretches out on a giant bowl of marinara sauce, purring as he makes himself comfy.

Sana says, 'yeah'

Wren says, 'see, it's stomping. it must be wren'

LadyAce says, 'Not sure'

Sana says, 'well then umm'

Sana says, 'whats the best way to cook bird?'

Sana says, 'scrawny little brown ones'

Wren says, 'ooh covered with batter and deep fried'

Marcel says, 'flyswatter'

Somar says, 'do you use red wine or white wine for the sauce?'

Somar says, 'I think white'

LadyAce says, 'one only drinks white wine when there is no more red wine'

Somar chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'He's coming with the update soon -- any other questions I can answer for folks?'

Screwtape says, 'he wasn't drinking it, he was using it for the sauce.'

Chandler says, 'white wine with birds and fish red wine with beef and pork'

Wren says, 'but I don't LIKE white wine!'

Wren says, 'um not that it matters cause I'm sana'

LadyAce says, 'don't listen to him, then!'

Screwtape says, 'ooh! Multi-line prompts. Spammy!'

Marcel shudders.

LadyAce says, 'point sana'

LadyAce says, 'oops'

LadyAce points at Sana.

Marcel'd prefer for the blank line we still have to go away too.

Sana says, 'are we going to get brail notes with this new change?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Marcel.

LadyAce says, 'that sounds like a modification to be made on the user end :P'

Marcel says, 'no it doesn't'

Marcel says, 'the mud outputs a blank line even if you're in no blank line mode'

Somar lurks around Huginn ominously!

Huginn waves a welcome to Somar. Hello!

Sana pokes Huginn in the ribs.

Wren says, 'look, it's the huginn! kill it!'

Huginn nods his agreement with Sana.

Huginn staples Wren's feet to the ground.

Sana says, 'for real!'

Sana says, 'was that the real wren or the fake wrens feet'

Sana says, '..'

Wren giggles.

Kaige says, 'afk a few, going to grab some tylenol'

LadyAce says, 'questions comments etc?'

Screwtape says, 'hell is fun!'

LadyAce says to Marcel, 'I meant about the braille, not the blank lines.'

Wren says to Sana, 'it was the real wren's feet! yours!'

Wren points at Sana.

Marcel nods solemnly.

TheWatcher bows deeply.

Sana stares off into space.

Sana says, 'so uhhh, whats everyones take on the debate?'

Sana zones out.

LadyAce says, 'aw, let's stick with Legendy questions and so forth'

LadyAce says, 'if there are any?'

LadyAce says, 'otherwise we might just close up shop early!'

Sana says, 'whens steal gonna be fixed?'

LadyAce says, 'you mean totally redesigned, not fixed, yes?'

LadyAce says, 'you say fixed, I think bug :)'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Sana says, 'i dunno, its a fallback question'

Kaige hasn't seen any player submitted reports on it lately. And I know Somar just made a couple fixes for next week I think that were based on code generated reports.

Chandler says, 'what is wrong with steal?'

Sana says, 'you cant do it ooc'

Somar laughs.

Sana says, 'with an equipped item'

Sana says, 'there'

Somar says to Sana, 'I'll get right on that.'

Wren giggles at Sandra.

Chandler says, 'you will be able to steal eq'd items?'

Kaige says, 'not likely, no'

Huginn says, 'no'

Chandler says, 'don't scare me like that'

Chandler laughs.

Sana says, 'ive stolen the shirt off someones back before!'

Marcel says, 'snatch and run, maybe, but the idea of someone stealing my pants off my butt and me not noticing sounds rather odd'

Wren says, 'hah LIES'

Somar says, 'nor will there really be stealing ooc anytime soon :P'

Wren says, 'he stole my EYES'

Wren points at Huginn.

Wren says, 'I umm.. didn't see him!'

Kaige says to Marcel, 'Not meeting the right girls?'

Huginn nods his agreement with Wren.

Sana says, 'hey thats right'

Sana says, 'he stole my craziness once'

Marcel grins evilly at Kaige... Wonder what he's thinking...

Wren says, 'he'sa meanie!'

Sana nods solemnly.

Huginn has sticky fingers..

Marcel says to Kaige, 'Well, usually I am the one stealing... Eh well, not the appropriate time and place I guess.'

Wren says, 'meanwhile I have a question I do I do I do'

Huginn says, 'too much blood'

Wren hops on the spot.

Sana says to Wren, '21-8-15.'

Wren peers at Sandra, looking her up and down.

Wren peers at Sana, looking her up and down.

LadyAce points at Screwtape.

Wren says to Sana, 'ha you bad person... been getting the sandra!'

Screwtape says, 'what's wrong with etheric archer? Can you fix it?'

Kaige says, 'can you be a bit more specific in how you think it's "wrong"?'

Marcel says, 'they fade away after 1 round of fighting'

Marcel says, 'whether your enemy is dead or not'

Screwtape says, 'I've used it twice last week. Each time, the archer takes a shot and fades.'

Wren says, 'oh. they got unionised'

Sana says, 'really?'

Huginn says, 'hmm ok'

Screwtape says, 'It may fight for more than one round, but it goes away after it shoots.'

Kaige says, 'ahh. ok. I've seen that one, thought it'd have gone to the coders already'

Marcel says, 'it's been reported several times I believe'

Marcel shrugs philosophically.

Huginn says to Marcel, 'No not like that it hasn't.'

Marcel says, 'then people are more illiterate than I gave them credit for'

YieXa reloads a Webley revolver from a carton of .45 caliber cartridges.

Screwtape says, 'I like to rely on my doppel, my angel and my archer. I miss my archer.'

LadyAce sneezes on Wren - you hastily back away from her.

Wren says, 'we're all nice to each other today, it's so touching!'

YieXa snickers softly.

Wren comforts Screwtape.

LadyAce recalls bug reporting something with it, but it was a while ago

LadyAce says, 'well, we'll take a looksee at that'

LadyAce points at Wren.

Screwtape says, 'thankee'

Kaige has created a small piece of paper!

Wren bounces around.

Wren says, 'any plans to look at gow on the sastram now that it puts a lag on mobbies (but not on players I think - but not sure, someone correct me if me wrong), and now that resistances have changed again?'

Kaige gives a small piece of paper from Kaige to Huginn.

Wren says, '!'

LadyAce says, 'hm, I think that's a resounding sound of we don't know'

LadyAce giggles.

Wren says, 'ah'

LadyAce says, 'did you make a bug report with what you've observed?'

Wren says, 'well I love the sastram but is a bit tappity atm'

YieXa says, 'whoa. I won...'

YieXa says, 'erm...'

Wren says, 'I still have a percless druid and she does fine now'

Wren says, 'and no more res slash (well not really)'

Wren says, 'is why I asked because I am not sure of the lag on players'

Sana says, 'whats the sound of one imm clapping'

Wren says, 'which changes the landscape of the whattit hitting other people thing'

Huginn says, 'sastram is a pretty good weapon to begin with'

Wren nods solemnly.

Wren says, 'mebbe rent higher or sommink?'

Wren dunno.

Wren says, 'I like dem! was just wondering.'

Sana says, 'nooo, lower rent'

Huginn says, 'the question is should obj cast gusts of winds behave differently than person cast spells'

Wren says, 'ooh thassa good question'

Wren beams at Huginn delightedly.

Somar lurks around Chocorua ominously!

Marcel beeps Chocorua on the nose.

Wren beams at Huginn delightedly.

Wren says to Huginn, 'thas right!'

Wren says, 'me all done now'

Wren beams delightedly.

Kaige gives a pink plastic prize token to Basara.

Huginn says, 'I'm tempted to say its fine the way it is since its really 2 effects'

Wren says, 'oo hokie'

Huginn says, 'but something for us to consider I guess'

Screwtape stretches out on a giant bowl of marinara sauce, purring as he makes himself comfy.

Wren says, 'it's just that... all my non evil strs if they can use em use em now'

Wren says, 'well unless they have old gear'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Wren says, 'or are stacking hitroll to hell from 40 dex'

Wren giggles.

Huginn says, 'well they're limited in where you can use them'

Basara pokes a giant bowl of marinara sauce.

Wren nods solemnly.

Basara does a visible double take, not quite believing a giant bowl of marinara sauce is here.

Huginn says, 'but up to you..'

Wren says to Basara, 'sauce!'

Wren says, 'all answered yay!'

Basara says, 'whoa'

Wren giggles at Screwtape.

LadyAce says, 'so, any other questions kicking around out there?'

LadyAce says, 'so far they've been high quality low frequency :)'

Screwtape says, 'high signal-to-noise'

Wren says, 'will we have jellydonuts in the ooc someday?'

LadyAce says, 'I've been plowing through a few ideas for the ooc, you should toss in your thoughts while the iron is hot'

Kaige says, 'maybe in an area'

Kaige has a perfect spot for some in one of her in progress areas

Sandra says, 'we're not putting them in to save you. If we had them, you'd surely eat way too many and twitch yourself off a cliff'

Wren glowers darkly at Sandra.

Screwtape laughs.

Somar just can't wait for paczkis...

Basara says, 'I'm already happy that we have cobblestones we can throw around'

Screwtape says to Kaige, 'Maybe you can put in a Krispy Kreme franchise!'

Marcel smirks.

Kaige says to Screwtape, 'Did they open in 1950?'

Marcel says to Basara, 'Less fond of the dead cats?'

Screwtape says, 'Oooh! And a Starbucks!'

Screwtape says to Kaige, 'I have no idea.'

Basara says, 'no overpriced crap coffee'

Kaige says, 'ooh.. donuts and coffee since 1937'

Screwtape nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chocorua says, 'yeah 1937'

Wren says, 'OOH'

Wren jumps up and down.

Screwtape says, 'I just looked it up myself'

Chocorua says, 'to bad krispy kreme makes lousy doughnuts'

Wren says, 'fie'

Wren says, 'all donuts are avatars of the Supreme Donut'

Kaige says, 'hmm... southeast tho...'

Screwtape says, 'Well, like most things, that's a matter of opinion.'

Wren says, '(well if they're jellydonuts)'

Kaige says, 'this is more a midwest area I think'

Wren says, 'All jellydonuts are DIVINE!!!'

Sandra says, 'dunkin' donuts'

Chocorua nods his agreement with Sandra.

Chocorua says to Sandra, 'Those are real donuts.'

Sandra says, 'I think they're all over. I know they're northern'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Wren says, 'dying donuts =('

Basara says, 'you should try the ones in old Polish neighborhood in Brooklyn, NY'

Wren says, 'we used to have those here but they closed down'

Somar says, 'I'll settle for Paczkis!'

Basara says, 'they don't use cheap jelly'

Wren says, 'not a single one left in the country!'

Kaige says, 'they weren't in the 1940s and 50s tho. only small mom&pop type chain'

Kaige says, 'krispy kreme that is'

LadyAce says, 'ok, any non-donut questions? :)'

Kaige says, 'anyway...'

Basara laughs.

Kaige gnaws on a bottle of extra-strength Excedrin - what a Neanderthal.

Sandra whispers quietly to Kaige.

Screwtape says, 'got anything scary ready for Halloween?'

Somar startles Screwtape.

Screwtape chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'we're still working on what will happen when, but there will definitely be some events'

Sandra says, 'screwt BOO!'

Sandra says, 'doh'

Wren snickers at Sandra nastily.

Sandra says, 'stupid say alts :P'

Wren says, 'howls! I like that!'

Wren says, 'sandra BOO!'

Basara says, 'scary... how about induced delusions of dante's inferno?'

Marcel snickers softly.

Marcel says to Basara, 'If all else fails, I can provide those I suppose.'

Basara says, 'I really enjoyed the flames around me while the shades were floating by...'

Screwtape says, 'just replace all the mobs with mobs from Hell.'

Screwtape smiles happily.

Screwtape says, 'Well, their descs, I mean.'

Screwtape giggles.

Basara says to Marcel, 'No thanks, I've had that experience last week. I'm not exactly enthusiastic to go back.'

Marcel smirks.

Basara says, 'ooo! replace all the mobs w/ rude people talking on their cell phones!'

Wren says, 'haha'

Screwtape goes EEK! in distress.

Wren says, 'I like that'

Basara says, 'that can be interesting'

Wren says, 'have it while they're driving too!'

LadyAce says, 'sounds like we're all done'

Screwtape says, 'Oh, and so satisfying to kill them!'

LadyAce says, 'thanks for coming, folks!'

Basara nods solemnly.

Wren says, 'ooh'

Wren says, 'and you can have a cinema'

Sana says, 'where do babies come from?'

LadyAce says, 'see you later :)'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Wren says, 'with them going RING RING RING in the middle of the show too'

Basara waves happily.

Wren drools contentedly.

Wren runs in circles around Sana, squealing loudly.

Basara says, 'let's watch all the imms disappear'

Chocorua waves happily.

Basara waves happily.

Sana catches sight of her reflection, emits a piercing squeal and faints dead away.

Somar nods his agreement with Basara.

Cheyla waves happily.

Basara waves happily.

Somar says, 'ooooh.. poofout!'

Basara says, 'two more...'

Basara laughs.

Basara says, '2 more'

Kaige says, 'technically 3, but you can't see one'

Kaige giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Basara snickers softly.

Sandra pets you lovingly.

Basara says, 'well, that's not exactly...'

Kaige says, 'easier to have the log done with a separate char'

Basara says, 'ahh'

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