June 24th, 2004

Val pounces on Kae, bowling her over.

Kae bounces onto Cheyla's lap.

Val says, 'Kae, Cian and Donncadd went into the lotto!?'

Val spanks Kae playfully.

Val says, 'Bad, bad, bad!'

Kae says, 'don't blame me, blame Kaige!'

Val smirks.

Kae says, 'at least they didn't win!'

Dogbert says, 'actually'

Dogbert says, 'check the note'

Val says to Kae, 'i forgive you this time, darling.'

Dogbert says, 'doncadd is a CC:'

Kae says, 'yeah, I know, but I rerolled that one :p'

Dogbert laughs.

Val says, 'Yes but it skewed the chances for the rest of us. There should be a redraw'

Val ducks to the ground.

Kaige says, 'it's the way the stupid bug reports capitalize the mob names now'

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Kae giggles.

Dogbert says, 'ok, for this stupidity donncadd must now have a prize machine string on him'

Dogbert says, 'make him a sandra mob'

Kaige says, 'or not.'

Val says, 'Cian on the list was my doing then'

Val sharpens his nails against his shirt in self-congratulations.

Val taunts Kaige mercilessly.

Dogbert says, 'aww just make him like 5k hp, see illusion, immune to magic, and hit as hard has the tarasque'

Scathniamh snorts derisively.

Val tips his hat to Renno.

Val smiles happily.

Renno says, 'Kae!'

Dogbert tugs on Kae's sleeve imploringly.

Dogbert says, 'who got the ferrets'

Renno says, 'what are ya doin!'

Renno says, 'your suppsed be working mjjh'

Val laughs.

Renno snickers softly.

Val says, 'All work and no play-!'

Renno says, 'going afk :P'

TigerLilly kisses Dogbert.

Val nods his agreement with TigerLilly.

Val grins evilly at LadyAce.. wonder what he's thinking...

Dogbert says to LadyAce, 'pfft.'

LadyAce blinks.

Dogbert says to LadyAce, 'pulling a huma.'

Val says to LadyAce, 'laaaadyAce.'

Val cackles gleefully at LadyAce - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

LadyAce says to Val, 'Explooooore :)'

Dogbert says to LadyAce, 'dont wanna remember the vnum, so you go ooc and go west.'

Val says to LadyAce, 'bah.'

Dogbert shakes his head.

Val says to LadyAce, 'wretched woman.'

Dogbert says, 'ducky of darkness!'

Dogbert runs in circles around Duckon, squealing loudly.

Duckon laughs.

Scathniamh says to Val, 'you're more in touch with your feminine side now.'

LadyAce says, 'ok, did someone do announces and stuff? Sandra says I'm runnin this :P'

Duckon says, 'hey look at my new toy'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Duckon twirls the devil's trident on the tip of his finger and expertly catches it in the air.

Sandra did.

LadyAce says, 'excellent'

LadyAce says, 'exxxxxcellent'

Val says to LadyAce, 'sure I can't get a hint in return for a really expensive dinner, maybe get you drunk on some fine wine and have you spill?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Val's head.

TigerLilly says, 'Huginn coming?'

Sandra says, 'he'll be here shortly'

Dogbert says, 'yeah, we gotta hear about this well nonsense'

TigerLilly thanks Sandra heartily.

Scathniamh says to Sandra, 'you should make expel work on all items in a room.'

Scathniamh says to Sandra, 'incase someone forgets about there chest.'

Scathniamh peers at Duckon, looking him up and down.

Dogbert hugs a grinning gargoyle.

Scathniamh says, 'their'

Duckon rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'Alrighty. I'm going to take questions and so on from raised hands, but I have a question too -- so put this one in the back of your mind, and we'll talk about it when the questioning slows'

Duckon says, 'its jasras! i forgot it was there!'

Scathniamh snorts derisively.

Val says, 'Ooo, you have a question for us?'

Val says, 'Now I'm surious'

LadyAce says, 'Q&A has been running the same way for a long time. It's never been perfect, and it's time to change how we do this (IMO). So let's all think about what ya don't like and what you do'

Val says, 'Curious* *glower*'

LadyAce says, 'so be ready for me to fire that out'

LadyAce says, 'on to handses'

LadyAce points at Dogbert.

Dogbert says, 'so um, I'm confused'

Dogbert says, 'the fix to inciting while entranced is to make entranced people immune to incite?'

Dogbert patiently twiddles his thumbs.

TigerLilly laughs.

Sandra says, 'it's kind of hard to be inspired to fight harder while you're dancing around the room'

LadyAce says, 'just in time, peeps are wondering about inspire/entrance -- entrancing gives incite immunity?'

LadyAce smiles at Huginn.

Duckon says, 'hrmsmmm'

Val smiles at Huginn.

Huginn says, 'I haven't check but that would make sense'

Dogbert says, 'well I guess it's the fix since that's what happened with talia today, but I thought the new incite would just make entrance break automatically'

Huginn says, 'for one thing it would be unbalancing'

Duckon says, 'er'

Dogbert says, 'good news: i still is unbalanced!'

Dogbert strokes a shiny scalpel.

Dogbert strokes Herne's hunting horn.

Sandra says, 'battle surgeons are so yesterday'

Sandra winks suggestively at Dogbert.

TigerLilly says, 'i'd think that an entranced person couldn't be incited, but an incited person could be entranced, logically.'

Scathniamh giggles.

Dogbert says, 'cant do either, negating effects'

Duckon smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'I can see good reasons to make people only one or the other'

TigerLilly says to Dogbert, 'That's prolly a good thing, flavor of the month.'

Dogbert says, 'dont know why, the only real problem with inciting an entranced person is that the person is entranced till they break again'

Sandra says, 'I think if theyre in too much of a rage from incite, that they wouldn't be paying attention to music'

Dogbert says, 'ok, I can see this is going nowhere'

Val salutes Robar briskly. Why don't people obey YOU like that?

Drow shrugs helplessly.

Val says to Sandra, 'good point.'

Drow nods his agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'just from a designy way of looking at it, having a generic 'behavior altering' type aff on you is enough, one at a time'

Dogbert says, 'yes yes, ignoring realism, I forgo the debate etc etc'

LadyAce says, 'If you have specific ideas on what's wrong, then please be specific :) all I've heard is "this is no so good"'

LadyAce says, 'alright'

Drow nods his agreement with Val.

LadyAce points at TigerLilly.

Huginn says, 'l'

TigerLilly says, 'my question is directy for huginn.'

Huginn says, 'yes'

Huginn says, '?'

Drow smiles at Somar.

Horror smiles at Somar.

Scathniamh pats Somar on the head.

TigerLilly says, 'last week, you clearly stated that you won't be able to flee over walls, with the climb skill?'

Huginn says, 'no actually that's not what I said'

Huginn says, 'what I said was..'

TigerLilly says, 'or i misunderstood.'

Huginn says, 'that you would be able to flee over stone walls with the climb skill and there would be a lag set on you for doing so'

Huginn says, 'also a chance to fall'

Dogbert says to Huginn, 'thanks.'

Dogbert slaps TigerLilly.

TigerLilly says to Huginn, 'I misunderstood, my apologies.'

Huginn says, 'you'll be able to fly over with no lag'

TigerLilly nods her agreement with Huginn.

TigerLilly says to Huginn, 'I'd assumed that.'

Drow cheers wildly!

TigerLilly says, 'and a comment to ladyace, if i may.'

LadyAce says, 'sure!'

Robar fidgets impatiently.

Val comforts Robar.

Duckon sinks his teeth into Robar's flesh.

Dogbert tugs on Robar's sleeve imploringly.

Dogbert says, 'divorced yet?'

TigerLilly says to LadyAce, 'In regards to your comment at the beginning. i think a qna channel would be nice, where socials didn't work.'

Horror laughs at Dogbert.

Kae says, 'we have one'

TigerLilly is done!

Lorenzo lies down on a barrel cactus with seven-inch spines.

LadyAce says, 'You're thinking, a conference folks can all join during the time?'

Lorenzo jumps up and down.

Kaige says, 'it's not an interactive one, but we have one.'

Sandra says, 'that looks like it hurt'

Lorenzo says, 'hey, that's not nice'

TigerLilly nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Sandra.

TigerLilly says to LadyAce, 'Instead of us all cramming in here with people spamming us both on chat, and in room.'

Trousers flourishes grandly.

Scathniamh bounces around.

Val tips his hat to Trousers.

LadyAce says, 'so what that suggests to me is you think a conf format would be more comfortable and so on, that part of our trouble is venue'

LadyAce says, 'good feedback, thanks'

Val says, 'Shouldn't we do Q&A, and discuss the Q&A after...? Or...'

Horror says, 'tiger is right you would get more input if you could play and listen to qna at the same time'

TigerLilly says to LadyAce, 'I think the problem is spam, simply put.'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Horror.

Kae nods her agreement with TigerLilly.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Drow says, 'IMO, attendance would severely drop and no one would ever do QNA besides the imms'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Drow.

Dogbert says, 'I disagree, I'd still type 'slap tigerlilly' on a qna channel, plus even imms use emotes in q n a to convey points, and talking to people to navigate complex conversations'

Scathniamh says, 'I have the solution to that'

Scathniamh says, 'if i can talk'

Drow nods his agreement with Dogbert.

Scathniamh peers around intently.

LadyAce says, 'yea, let's hold this to the end tho? So we can get the open and shut stuff taken care of first?'

Duckon looks up into the sky and ponders.

TigerLilly says to Dogbert, 'Hence my suggestion about socials not working, flavor of the month.'

Scathniamh sighs loudly.

Val thanks LadyAce heartily.

Horror says to TigerLilly, '*slap*'

LadyAce says, 'I'd like everyone to have lotsa time to talk, I won't rush you if you wait'

TigerLilly nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Scathniamh writes down her comments so she won't forget

Dogbert says to TigerLilly, 'if I'm flavour of the month, you're the freaking flavour of the century.'

LadyAce points at Duckon.

LadyAce thanks Scathniamh heartily.

Duckon says, 'k me'

Duckon says, 'i was watching info the other day .. and i noticed a laud ive seen a bazillion times ..'

Renno says, 'hey'

Renno snickers softly.

Duckon says, 'cant remember who it was who leveled .. but it said .. Bards sing and Poets write .. .. shouldnt it be .. the othe rway around?'

Renno says, 'question'

Cheyla says, 'it's intentional - the world's turned upside down type of thing'

Kaige says, 'it wouldn't be as exceptional if it was the other way around'

Kae can testify to that, she wrote it.

Duckon sweeps Kae into a romantic waltz - aren't they a striking couple?

Scathniamh giggles at Kae.

Duckon says, 'yeah i thought about that too'

Dogbert gives Kae a baby ferret.

Renno says, 'question'

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Trousers says, 'Traditionally, I think Bard's were poet's of music and voice, whereas a "poet" is more pen and paper... Correct?'

Duckon says, 'and it didnt sound the same so i thought maybe that was wy'

Scathniamh says to Renno, 'raise your hand!'

Renno snickers softly.

Trousers pets Renno lovingly.

LadyAce says, 'I've never really understood it myself, but I stopped noticing it as much as I did at first.'

Scathniamh giggles at LadyAce.

Duckon nods solemnly.

Trousers chuckles politely.

Duckon says, 'answered then. good laud'

Duckon smiles happily.

Renno says, 'Is the PKE'

LadyAce points at Scathniamh.

Kae says to Renno, 'Take your turn.'

Scathniamh says to Renno, 'wait your turn.'

Scathniamh giggles.

Scathniamh says, 'Okay'

Horror says to Renno, 'Wait your turn you dolt.'

Horror bonks Renno on the head!

Trousers looks up into the sky and ponders.

Scathniamh says, 'Regal Ksatriyah or whatever'

Scathniamh says, 'Is that a bug?'

Val wipes the spam from his eyes.

Horror says, 'haha'

Renno says, 'thing gonna change to where you can have more than one char with PKE or is it gonna be with just one char for a long time?'

Scathniamh says, 'Because he's like, NEVER alive.'

Horror whines.

LadyAce says, 'the mob has been removed, I talked with Rufus about it earlier'

Trousers pokes Renno in the eye!

Dogbert taunts Horror mercilessly.

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Kaige says, 'you best best is to drop a note to Rufus to ask what the deal is... maybe he forgot to post it to the welcome board'

Scathniamh says, 'so how do we get the eq?'

Scathniamh swoons.

Robar says, 'he posted it'

Dogbert says to Scathniamh, 'it's in a conditional DT.'

LadyAce says, 'the eq isn't in the game anymore.'

Robar says, 'said some mobs would be removed from the area'

Duckon flops about helplessly.

Scathniamh sighs loudly.

Scathniamh comforts Horror.

LadyAce says, 'there's a think welcome 22 I think'

Horror says, 'thats a bad piece of eq to remove'

Scathniamh says, 'I need to start printing it all out again'

Horror says, 'really'

Kaige says, 'that's sandra's'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Horror.

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Horror says, 'alot of peeps use it'

Scathniamh says, 'I have it like, on most of my lists.'

Horror says, 'guess thats why'

Scathniamh sighs loudly.

Horror says, 'like old SSS and many many others'

Duckon pokes welcome 29, because he finally won!

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'let's boycot Rufus!'

Horror cheers for Scathniamh - huzzah!

Horror prances about happily.

Scathniamh shhhs.

Horror says, 'if i may make a comment about this'

Duckon lies down on the ground and gets comfortable.

Duckon rests.

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Duckon.

Trousers peers intently at the corpse of Talia.

Trousers chuckles politely.

Renno frowns.

Horror looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'I think we don't have a complete answer to what's up with this one. Give us some time to get back to you'

Renno says, 'sorry :P'

Renno blushes bright red.

Scathniamh nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Horror says, 'i can kind of understand pulling it'

LadyAce says, 'next question was from Dogbert, and Robar is after him.'

Robar says, 'pull the rests of the crazy xp mobs there as well'

Horror says, 'for maybe material =ac reasons'

Val stretches, you hear several loud snaps - maybe a massage would help?

Dogbert says, 'ok, yeah, my next question is kind of an atatche'

LadyAce points at Dogbert.

Dogbert says, 'two part as well'

Dogbert says, 'part one: are we back to the days of 250k crimson cloaks and huge sums for old SSS's?'

Dogbert says, 'as in, eq now damages like nobody's business'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Dogbert says, 'second part is, dear god, dropping rent on some of it too?'

Huginn says, '1) only if you're looking to waste money on something that will change'

Horror says, 'since my DT i have scraped 4 or 5 itemzx'

Kaige says, 'that's a factor of the crimson cloak itself... I suggest bugging it specifically and any others like that'

Horror says, 'like 4 days ago :P'

LadyAce says, 'some eq is up in rent, some is going down.'

Dogbert says, 'well yeah, but if you'll pardon this line'

Dogbert says, '1500 for brine?!'

Kae says, 'the crimson cloak is actually very small and thus scraps faster than larger items'

Sandra says, 'it's alot of adjusting all around. If you find items scrapping way easily, please bug it'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Dogbert.

Kaige nods her agreement with Kae.

Duckon licks a brine crusted ring.

Dogbert says, 'brines are going on all my chars if I cant find a huge hitch with it'

Dogbert says, 'everything, even my damn pure surgeon :P'

Duckon pokes a faience bracelet.

Horror chuckles politely.

Duckon says, 'scraps like thongs'

Renno peers intently at a sharp shark jawbone.

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Duckon.

Duckon flops about helplessly.

Huginn says, 'that wouldn't really help you that much'

Huginn says, 'but your choice'

Horror says, 'red suit jacket scraps like mad too'

Horror says, 'this is my 3ed in 4 days'

Robar isnt sure he got the question part.

Dogbert says, 'ok, the idea is anything mendable is now scrappy'

Scathniamh says, 'it's hard to get half the eq without scrapping something'

Dogbert says, 'should we be ugging that?'

Cheyla says, 'not all items have been converted to the new materials yet, either.'

Duckon nods his agreement with Dogbert.

Kae says, 'that's weird, my red suit jacket seems to do fine, but hey, I could be lucky :)'

Kaige says, 'haven't gotten around to updating my med or ind areas for materials yet... expect them in July and August'

Duckon says, 'seems like the mend stuff'

Scathniamh says, 'is it a new one or old one?'

Dogbert says to Kae, 'just you.'

Dogbert says, 'doesnt matter'

Horror says, 'guess its just me'

Val secretly wishes Choc was here.

Dogbert says, 'old ones still have same dmg increase'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'not just you.'

Horror says, 'ok good'

LadyAce says, 'I've seen some scrappage out there, for sure.'

Cheyla says, 'so items in MED and IND that seem to scrap quickly may not have been updated yet.'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'we tried to get someone a jacket the other day, and it scrapped when we killed him.'

Dogbert snickers softly.

Horror says to Cheyla, 'Red suit jacket updated?'

LadyAce says, 'this is a set of changes like any other -- it'll take time to adjust. You may need to adjust, and the mobs may need to too'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Duckon says, 'too much damagin goin on'

Horror nods her agreement with Duckon.

Kaige says to Horror, 'Is it ind or med?'

Horror says, 'indus'

Scathniamh giggles at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'yeah.. so...'

Horror says, 'ferrari'

Kae says to Renno, 'I was a dex fighter and this matters how?'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'i think that was a rhetorical question.'

Dogbert says, 'not really'

Dogbert says, 'it was more of a gripe in the form of a question'

Dogbert says, 'I mean--1500 rent brines!!'

Trousers pets Dogbert lovingly.

LadyAce says, 'gripe noted :) keep on buggin stuff if it's weird'

Dogbert says, 'even imms should be wearing them!'

Val patiently twiddles his thumbs.

LadyAce points at Robar.

Dogbert says, 'save cheese hitters 2k rent and I guarantee they'll only hit harder heh'

Duckon chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'let's go to Robar'

Robar says, 'why are there two head PRs?'

Duckon jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Dogbert!

Scathniamh giggles at Robar.

Scathniamh says, 'because players are so moody!'

Duckon says, 'they share'

Dogbert gets very red in the face.

Duckon says, 'kinda like .. a .. team!'

Renno nonchalantly flips a glowing red nose.

Dogbert begins to twitch nervously.

LadyAce says, 'we're a team :) why not? It's been done before!'

Scathniamh says, 'we whine and whine and whine, and when we give one a headache, they need a replacement until the aspirin kicks in'

Dogbert begins to twitch nervously.

Trousers says, 'I think that PR is a big job... there's a lot of relations of player's to deal with, you know?'

Trousers peers at himself myopically.

Robar says, 'oh I thought the PR appartment had turned into a two-headed monster'

Dogbert says, 'sandra's my personal PR'

Val says, 'There are a lot of PRs but still not enough'

Sandra says, 'obviously'

Renno cackles gleefully at Dogbert - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Duckon says to Dogbert, 'For relations?'

LadyAce says, 'I do think it's a big job, and I don't think I've ever done it fully even when I had scads and scads of time...maybe we'll do a better job for you folks if there are more of us :)'

Dogbert nods solemnly.

Trousers nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Dogbert says, 'she's my personal slayer/shooter/glue dispenser'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra pets Dogbert lovingly.

LadyAce says, 'I think if you find it causing trouble or problems, we'd love to hear that feedback so we can improve'

Renno rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Dogbert says, 'she has idling trigs, like ladyace can tell sandra glue and I get glued'

Robar says, 'But why not just have one head and an army of normal PRs?'

Renno has been glues before :P

Renno with an alt :P

Dogbert says, 'cuz sandra's too pretty to be demoted'

Dogbert gives Sandra a huge bearhug - your ribs ache in sympathy.

Duckon wants his bracelet fixed, dagnabbit!

Sandra says, 'I seem to remember this discussion not long ago.'

Val doesn't understand what difference it makes HOW many heads there are. At least they're there.

Horror says, 'i think it ended with a slaying too'

LadyAce says, 'part of the job of head pr is to look at where we're going, and what we have to do to change'

Horror nods her agreement with Sandra.

Dogbert nods his agreement with Horror.

LadyAce says, 'and I definitely appreciate having a second perspective on that'

Duckon says, 'er'

Duckon says, 'never mind'

Renno nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'part of what we're tasked to do is to take care of all kinds of players'

Duckon says, 'i'll just idea it'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Sandra says, 'its nice to be able to focus a bit more on that'

Robar says, 'so normal PRs cant come with suggestions to where they think you should lead them?'

Dogbert says, 'players are like hot dogs...'

Dogbert says, 'armor hot dogs...'

Sandra says, 'I don't think that she said that'

LadyAce says, 'oh, definitely. But if someone is pulling that much weight, they deserve the title that goes with it'

LadyAce says, 'and the right to do all the same things'

Duckon nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'it's a joint job at the moment, and as far as I've heard, it's working out well.'

Trousers nods solemnly.

Duckon gives out a hearty 'Yeeeeeehaaaaww'!

Duckon says, 'cmon .. ya gotta admit! thats good'

LadyAce says, 'Better to make her a co-head than to treat her like one without the title, if you ask me'

Renno snickers softly.

Sandra says, 'for my next trick, I will be head coder'

LadyAce says, 'anyway, I'd be happy to address this more with you, but I don't wanna bore folks.'

LadyAce giggles at Sandra.

Val patiently twiddles his thumbs.

Lorenzo giggles at Sandra.

Scathniamh cackles gleefully at Sandra - whatever she's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Scathniamh says to Sandra, 'you can code for sintal.'

Scathniamh giggles.

Sandra hasn't been that one yet.

Duckon peers at himself myopically.

Trousers chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'now is the time for Renno!'

Trousers says, 'Don't listen to her anyway, Sintal went bye bye for a while...'

Trousers ducks to the ground.

LadyAce points at Renno.

Scathniamh sighs wistfully at the sight of Trousers.

Duckon says, 'scath is a walking billboard hey scath? :D'

Scathniamh says, 'with my fiance.'

Scathniamh laughs at Duckon.

Trousers chuckles politely.

Trousers nods his agreement with Scathniamh.

Scathniamh says, 'it comes with the territory'

Duckon laughs.

Renno says, 'so my question?'

Renno snickers softly.

Scathniamh says, 'i get his bank account...'

Sandra nods her agreement with Renno.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Renno.

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Renno.

Renno says, 'OK'

Trousers cackles gleefully at Scathniamh - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Sandra says, 'guys, let's let the questions go out with a little less spam :)'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Sandra.

Val says, 'Please'

Scathniamh bonks Val on the head!

Renno says, 'hrmm'

Scathniamh peers at Lukas, looking him up and down.

Lukas says, 'my internet is messing up, srry. is it my turn?'

Renno says, 'Are we going to be able sometime in the fuuture to be able to have more than one PKE char istead of one?'

Lorenzo shakes his head in disagreement with Lukas.

Scathniamh shakes her head.

Moris shakes his head.

Duckon lies down on the ground and gets comfortable.

Duckon rests.

Renno says, '??'

LadyAce says, 'I don't foresee that'

Scathniamh says to Renno, 'there's a good reason for that rule.'

Lukas says, 'CURSE THE INTERNET!!!!'

Trousers pets Lukas lovingly.

Duckon drinks from a Mountain Dew.

Renno says, 'whats the reason...'

Scathniamh says, 'well..'

Horror says, 'xplay'

Val says, 'Xplay'

Lorenzo says to Lukas, 'been there, done that!'

Renno says, 'I just wanna know :P'

Horror winks suggestively at Val.

Renno says, 'Xplay?'

Duckon says, 'xplay!'

Sandra says, 'we want to limit crossplaying'

Horror says, 'cross play'

Renno nods solemnly.

Scathniamh says to Renno, 'say you hate duckon.'

Scathniamh says to Renno, 'he kills you as renno.'

Kaige says, 'taking in-character grudges across more than one character'

Scathniamh says to Renno, 'you switch to an alt, kill him.'

Renno says, 'OHHH!'

Dogbert says, 'we acn already do that'

Duckon drinks to taht!

Scathniamh giggles at Duckon.

Duckon wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff his breath!

Renno says, 'Ok'

Renno says, 'thats what myquestion'

Dogbert says, 'I get this char permaed by someone, what the hell you think my next char's gonna do :P'

LadyAce says, 'rejects allow people to control that, pke doesn't have reject'

Kaige says, 'not be enabled?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Moris snickers softly.

Sandra grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what she's thinking...

Scathniamh giggles.

Dogbert says, 'there are fun ways to be enabled'

Sandra says, 'have all it's stats set to 1?'

Duckon says, 'can i be pke endabled because ive been here a long time? :/'

Scathniamh cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Kaige says, 'if you establish a problem pattern, it WILL happen -- it has in the past'

Horror says, 'speaking of pke....'

Renno says, 'Well i have PKE char'

Dogbert says, 'if you wont enable my char, I'd pk interfere, and then make you enable one of my badass 50's :P'

Renno says, 'and its cool :P'

Kaige says, 'no then I'd site ban you and be done'

Kae says to Dogbert, 'Or make you play with Arsene?'

Sandra says, 'no, we'd delete all your 50s =)'

Dogbert cries on Kaige's shoulder.

Duckon rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Duckon.

Duckon pats Dogbert on the head.

Renno says, 'Ummm'

Renno says, 'ouch :P'

Dogbert says, 'what if I just got warned by choc for no reason, and told half of you to f off on a public channel :P'

Sandra says, 'it's been tried'

LadyAce says, 'at any rate, it's pretty clear we don't like cross play. Did we cover your question?'

Renno says to LadyAce, 'thank you :)'

Duckon says to Dogbert, 'That would be funny :) go ahead :D heeheeeheeee.'

Renno says to Kaige, 'thank you.'

LadyAce says, 'Ok, Val is up next'

LadyAce points at Val.

Sandra smiles happily.

Renno says to Kaige, 'thank you.'

Val says, 'Really quick'

Renno says to Sandra, 'thank you.'

Val says, 'If I have ideas for new moods and socials, which of you should I send them to? I can't find any info in the helpfiles or the site'

Sandra says, 'idea those babies'

Kae says, 'the idea channel'

Drow flops about helplessly.

Val says, 'But they're long'

Drow hugs Haley.

Val chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'and don't worry if it takes more than one line.. I CAN deal'

Kae says, 'you can use multiple entries :)'

Cheyla says, 'you can use several lines, kaige is good at piecing them together'

Duckon says, 'cmon guys .. that yehaw thing is good .. admit it.'

Val says, 'It's difficult to space out the categories on a line'

Scathniamh peers at Duckon, looking him up and down.

Scathniamh pointedly ignores Duckon. Bit chilly in here, eh what?

LadyAce says to Duckon, 'You're being too spammy :( please stop.'

Duckon frowns.

Lukas curses his modem for making him lose link so often.

Robar says, 'that is if you really want to be one of those eeky people actually trying to make this place better for us all'

Kaige says, 'example: idea New social idea: spam: '

Kaige says, 'idea spam person: '

Kaige says, 'etc until done'

Val nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'I can string them together... trust me'

Val says, 'Okay, that's all I have on that. Thank you. :)'

Val nods his agreement with Kaige.

Val smiles happily.

Kaige smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'if you want to be really thorough, check the social helpfiles -- they show the same format we'll use, and you can give us as many of those fields as you like!'

Horror says, 'we need more socials!'

LadyAce says, 'Lukas is up next, if his link is stable.'

Horror says, 'we need a mosh and headbang social!'

Horror headbangs

Val says to Robar, '*eeky* =P'

Kae says, 'actually, 50% of the socials are barely used as is ;)'

Val chuckles politely.

Lukas says, 'ill try to hurry, remember that party you threw and the dead bard?'

Horror says to Kae, 'Remove them then!'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Lukas.

Lukas says, 'we killed a cyclops and found a presumably angry hermes and he had forgotten us. whats up with that?'

LadyAce says, 'In tinyplots, I don't have 100% control over what the mobs say, they have acts of their own'

Robar says, 'he's old and senlie'

LadyAce says, 'so sometimes you have to "work around" the oddities that come up'

Dogbert tugs on Somar's sleeve imploringly.

Dogbert says, 'shot smart?'

Horror says, 'my fav was the vikings and roland'

Horror laughs.

Lukas says, 'hrmm... any chance you could tell us exactly how we were supposed to tell heremes the cyclops was dead?'

Duckon says, 'she was in heremes i think'

LadyAce says, 'I think that you guys did fairly well on that by the end'

Scathniamh says, '"yo, hermes, we kicked that cyclops' arse"'

Horror says, 'yeah'

Dogbert says, 'hey hermes, respond and we'll give you an air nike deal!'

Horror says, 'it was fun'

LadyAce says, 'The song was a nice touch'

Lukas says, 'and i really wouldn't be as mad about that thing, but we got stuck and had to auto rent while link dead to escape that loop'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Lukas says, 'or at least i did, i dont know if the others got out of there'

LadyAce says, 'I don't know why you guys chose to go to an area you didn't know how to navigate :)'

Duckon says, 'heh got rescued'

LadyAce says, 'the folks who stuck around were rescued by Athena, the poor sots'

Lukas says, 'maybe cause we had a mad god throwing fireballs all over greece?'

Scathniamh laughs.

Sandra says, 'it was greece, that happens'

LadyAce says, 'well, anyway, let's move on to other questions :)'

Robar says, 'not going to areas you dont know how to navigate.. doesnt that create stagmonsters?'

Sandra says, 'they're so moody'

Val nods solemnly.

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Sandra.

Kaige says, 'I didn't get why they were so mad at the poor aborigines tho'

LadyAce says, 'I wouldn't necessarily choose to do something I didn't know how to do as part of a tinyplot'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'they were just in harm's way.'

LadyAce giggles.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'or their vnum range was closer than I realized :)'

Lukas says, 'my modem is getting fuzzy again, imma rent out'

Trousers says, 'Blah, Computer is spazzing....'

Trousers begins to twitch nervously.

LadyAce says, 'if I *did* go somewhere I would get lost in, I'd rp my way out if possible :) not drop link'

LadyAce says to Dogbert, 'Did you have a question, or were you just anxious with that hand before? :)'

Dogbert says, 'ah, they got caught in the loop of rooms near the kraken?'

Dogbert says, 'eek'

Dogbert says, 'thats not my question'

LadyAce says, 'well, they split up, and some of 'em knew how to do it, and some no'

Scathniamh giggles.

UggaBagugga looks up into the sky and ponders.

Duckon says, 'i didnt'

Dogbert says, 'my question is, now that creates have lost everything, or are gonna lose everything, are we gonna see them gain something else?'

Dogbert says, 'I mean, they're gonna lose walling'

Duckon says, 'i never go there heh'

Dogbert says, 'they're gonna lose dispel 100%'

Dogbert says, 'or at least I recall that was in the works'

Scathniamh thanks her lucky stars for just being alive!

Dogbert says, 'are the gonna get roots as a 3c spell?'

Horror says, 'what were losing dispel?'

Horror says, 'omfg'

Dogbert says, 'grr'

Sandra says, 'aren't losing dispel'

Somar says, 'do they have to remain massively overpowered?'

LadyAce says, 'I'm confused about this question.'

Dogbert says, 'not dispel'

Scathniamh says, 'dispel doesn't always work, anyway'

Horror says, 'oh god thanks'

LadyAce says, 'what is the question here?'

Dogbert says, 'the question is: are there any PK improvements for 3c creates coming?'

Sandra says, 'are creates gonna get something new? That's the question?'

Dogbert says, 'i.e. bringing roots back, etc'

Kaige says, 'roots won't be coming back.'

Huginn says, 'no roots'

Duckon says, 'hmm'

Dogbert bursts into tears.

Lorenzo says, 'I'm confused too. Can eb be specific about what's being lost?'

LadyAce says, 'None I'm aware of personally, but we're always working to correct balance'

Dogbert says, 'ok, elmme do a little recap for all you non PKE people'

Lorenzo says, '"everything" isn't very descriptive :P'

Horror says to Lorenzo, 'Walls more or less.'

Trousers begins to twitch nervously.

Dogbert says, 'creates got for a PK fight, one really good charmy, walls, some offensive spells, and dispel'

Dogbert says, 'those are the main bases for their fighting'

Horror says, 'im perma bait when i loses walling'

LadyAce says, 'I think we covered your question, though. This might be a better topic for discussion than Q&A, so you can spell out your thinking in a more paragraph kinda form'

Dogbert says, 'so since demons now have summoning lag or whatever, walsl are gonna be escapable, and as I recall, dispel was being looked into, what can they do with 700 mana, or even 500 mana as a 60 mind 3c create?'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'dogbert wants to be sure he can still beat you.'

Dogbert says to Scathniamh, 'oh, I can beat her now.'

Lorenzo missed the announce about walls vanishing.

Huginn says, 'damage'

Horror says to Scathniamh, 'Dogbert owns me with entrance.'

Dogbert says, 'damage'

Scathniamh says to Horror, 'i said still. i know he can now. =P'

Dogbert says, 'to clarify, is the dispel spell gonna be made a %age thing?'

Dogbert says, 'like it wont dispel a sink, or it'll fail moer?'

Sandra says, 'usually, when we take something away, we give something in return'

Somar says, 'I don't think create mages should have the capability of winning against non-mages without any chance of failure if set up right :P'

Dogbert says to Somar, 'they really dont right now if they lose walls.'

Sandra says, 'creates will get a new spell'

Dogbert says to Somar, 'there goes sniper.'

Somar says to Dogbert, 'which is exactly why they're changing it.'

Dogbert says, 'and this spell will...'

Huginn says, 'do damage'

Sandra says, 'be fun'

Duckon says, 'kill stuff'

Horror says, 'creates cant go toe to toe with a sniper without walls'

Sandra nods her agreement with Duckon.

Scathniamh giggles at Duckon.

Lorenzo has trouble understanding when people spin facts to match interpretation.

Sandra likes it. But she coded it.

Duckon says, 'too bad high 5 self dont work.'

Huginn says, 'actually that's not completely true.'

Huginn says, 'not since the wimpy lag'

Dogbert says, 'actually, kinda is huginn :P'

Huginn says, 'plenty of str creates do the o all kill X'

Dogbert says, 'wimpy lag didnt change the tactics of most successful snipers'

Huginn says, 'bash X'

Dogbert says, 'then the sniper goes tumble x, flee x, stun x, para x'

Horror says to Huginn, 'Theres not many str creates anymore.'

Horror says to Huginn, 'More con then anything.'

Dogbert says, 'there are what, 2 str creates?'

Dogbert says, 'not con'

LadyAce says, 'This topic is closed and I'm sure it'll open again or go to discussion. We've got 5 more people in queue to go to. Thanks everyone for their comments.'

Huginn says, 'para and wfw stuns will be less effective in the future'

Dogbert says, 'most pke creates are dex with hp'

Horror says, 'a fewe dex'

Horror says, 'para is just nuts WFW never land on dexies anyway'

LadyAce says, 'Next up is Lorenzo'

Scathniamh pokes Lorenzo in the ribs.

Lorenzo says to Scathniamh, 'i'm typing :P'

Scathniamh shhs.

Sandra says, 'and now he had to backspace!'

Scathniamh giggles.

UggaBagugga says, 'nah, he uses a clint'

Scathniamh laughs.

Lorenzo says, 'I was wondering, following onto the question about material type updates: since pfiles won't be changed, we'll need to know when we ought to replace eq. I guess we'll know because of welcome posts that materials have been updated.'

UggaBagugga asks Kaige a question.

It sounded like 'bug it?' to you.

Lorenzo says, 'so, my question is: does that post mean that all items in the area have been updated, or will that vary?'

Kaige nods her agreement with UggaBagugga.

Sandra says, 'I would start changing eq, just to be on the safe side, from the areas you see are updated by the welcome board posts'

Cheyla says, 'items that are armor will have been updated - they're the only ones that use materials currently'

Huginn says, 'actually I believe that the obj templating stuff isn't so far away'

Lorenzo says, 'or, in other words, will we know somehow when an particualr item is for sure updated?'

Cheyla says, 'but it is being mentioned in the area update posts when which areas are getting updated'

Kaige says, 'you can also wait until the one you have scraps'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Scathniamh giggles at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'or until the old eq template thing renders it moot'

Horror says to Kaige, ':P'

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'you mean, in the middle of an AT run?'

Sandra says, 'object templates are gonna be so cool'

Scathniamh says to Kaige, 'with the GMA beating on you?'

LadyAce says, 'all of Anc is slated for completion by the first update after June, etc. -- from what Cheyla has said'

Kaige says, 'I said you can... not that you should'

Scathniamh giggles.

Trousers begins to twitch nervously.

Sandra has her areas updated.

Duckon flops about helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'might be sooner for many places'

Dogbert says to Sandra, 'pfft.'

Lorenzo says to Cheyla, 'right, I just mean that when it goes into welcome does that mean that all items in the area have been reviewed?'

Trousers wants to shoot his computer...

Scathniamh says to Sandra, 'over-achiever.'

Lorenzo says, 'or might it just be some'

Sandra says, 'I had free time'

Kae says, 'ancient has been done, july is medieval, august is industrial, pretty much'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'Not necessarily... at the least, all items that use materials.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Lorenzo says, 'ok, just want to be sure of when to replace items on all my characters, assuming they haven't scrapped yet :)'

Lorenzo says, 'thanks'

Cheyla says to Lorenzo, 'They're being updated as part of the odyssey, but some for med and ind have already been done where the builders have wanted to get them out of the way.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Lorenzo comforts a cuirass embossed with the Spanish Lion.

Robar says, 'the perfect eq list is tform only anyway'

Horror nods her agreement with Robar.

Duckon says, 'huh?'

Dogbert shakes his head.

Horror says to Robar, 'Hard to do tho.'

Dogbert says, 'hell no'

Robar nods his agreement with Horror.

Val says, 'Anyhow'

Val ducks to the ground.

Horror says, 'mend is soooo... how do i put this... crapy'

LadyAce says, 'Eh, for someone who doesn't tform, I can see it being darn beneficial to not have any tf items'

Robar says, 'yes'

Dogbert says, 'you're a amge, mend isnt a skill you can do well'

Horror says, 'yeah i know'

LadyAce says, 'that definition of ideal will shift person to person'

Duckon says, 'my mend is crappy too'

Robar says to LadyAce, 'good thing I'm a nice person and like doing favors for gold.'

UggaBagugga nods his agreement with Robar.

Horror says, 'tools just up chance of a good mend'

Scathniamh says, 'It's a better thing that i'm a great person and i do favors for free.'

Dogbert says to Robar, 'she's showing leg, go in for the kill.'

Horror says, 'should even'

Scathniamh snorts in disbelief at Robar's last comment.

UggaBagugga pats Scathniamh on the head.

Scathniamh blushes bright red.

Kaige says, 'I like mend. helps me make some money where I wouldn't have without it'

LadyAce says, 'Some of my chars have such a mob slaying mentality, they don't like to stop for much :)'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says, 'sometimes I completely scrap things, but not usually'

Robar says to Scathniamh, 'its people like you's fault that I have to get off my butt sometimes and actually make some homos to carry loot for me.'

Huginn says, 'often times you can check between mobs'

Scathniamh giggles.

UggaBagugga asks LadyAce a question.

It sounded like 'you have morts that you play!??' to you.

Scathniamh struts proudly.

UggaBagugga gasps at LadyAce.

LadyAce raises her eyebrow at UggaBagugga.

Duckon says, 'is there a special time mend is better? like after a tick or something heh'

Scathniamh giggles at Duckon.

Horror says, 'full moon'

Horror winces at her own injuries.

Somar says, 'yeah, it works best when you're not on a big run with no extra supplies to fix stuff with'

LadyAce says, 'Yes, but I'd rather no one knew who they were....'

Scathniamh says, 'how do we manage to get so off-topic..'

Scathniamh giggles.

Val nods his agreement with Scathniamh.

LadyAce says, 'Somar is up next'

Dogbert says, 'I blame you'

Horror laughs.

Scathniamh says, 'I do, too'

Somar says, 'ok, my question is pretty simple.. there's a couple of social helpfiles with keywords that conflict with other helpfiles'

Somar says, 'would it be feasible to allow something like the helpfile systems for spells? Like for example, help zone social?'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'view s since help just calls that'

Cheyla says, 'view s '

Somar says, 'ah'

Kae says, 'view social wassname should do it'

Somar says, 'I guess that answers that one easily enough'

Somar blushes bright red.

Lorenzo want to quickly interject that the view command is cool.

Robar says, 'which i believe the right helpfile will tell you as well'

LadyAce smiles at Somar.

Somar nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'we aim to please!'

LadyAce points at Scathniamh.

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Somar says, 'and you hit the mark!'

Scathniamh says, 'Okay. Just curious, why does it cost so much to build a house?'

Scathniamh says, 'For example.'

Dogbert says to Somar, 'shop smart?'

Scathniamh says, 'I have the money to afford rent, and I need a house'

Robar wonders how far you're willing to go to please.

Scathniamh says, 'But I can't get enought money together to build, and then pay rent'

LadyAce giggles.

Scathniamh whines.

LadyAce says, 'james bond ref, sorry!'

Sandra says, 'we don't want houses on every corner ;)'

Scathniamh says, 'I"m a lover, not a fighter!'

Dogbert says, 'where are you trying to build, right accross from the stag?'

UggaBagugga says to Scathniamh, 'chip in with me..we can buil done.'

Dogbert says, 'find cheaper housing'

Scathniamh cheers wildly!

Scathniamh says, 'Dogbert'

Scathniamh says, 'I have just over 100K in my bank account'

Dogbert says, 'yeah, 80k for the house'

UggaBagugga pats Scathniamh on the head.

Dogbert says, '1k for the rent'

LadyAce says, 'It's definitely hard to keep a house up, a definite challenge to the moneyrunning skills'

Scathniamh says, 'Not with the crud I lug around'

Scathniamh giggles.

Trousers chuckles politely.

Dogbert says, 'you just gotta (never thought I say this) explore'

Trousers sighs loudly.

Robar sharpens his nails against his shirt in self-congratulations.

Duckon says, 'hehe not if your wife is rich. :P'

LadyAce giggles at Dogbert.

Scathniamh says, 'Okay, that's the answer'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Dogbert.

Scathniamh says, 'Make Axis marry me NOW.'

Scathniamh nods solemnly.

Scathniamh says, 'neeeeext question'

UggaBagugga says to Duckon, 'or in Kimba's case..if your husband is rich.'

Robar says, 'if you have enough money its because you dont have enough mistresses'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Robar.

Val grins evilly at Robar.. wonder what he's thinking...

Duckon chuckles politely at UggaBagugga's feeble witticism.

Dogbert tugs on Robar's sleeve imploringly.

LadyAce says, 'Val is next up, and then I *think* my list of questions is clear.'

Robar says to Dogbert, 'no.'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Dogbert is still waiting for alimony

Lorenzo says, 'huge challenge :/'

Scathniamh cheers wildly!

LadyAce points at Val.

Scathniamh says to LadyAce, 'so we can discuss your question?'

Val says, 'Okay -- I might be behind the times, but, uh, is there any word from LT-land?'

Lorenzo says, 'especially when your neighbors have 80k houses :P'

Kaige says, 'it'll be back soon, hopefully with some much needed changes and additions'

Val says, 'Okay and second half'

Val says, 'If it's a struggle, is there anything the rest of us can do to help with it'

Duckon says, 'hehe'

Cheyla says, 'submit articles'

Scathniamh runs around the room in circles, squealing loudly.

Scathniamh says, 'time for LA's question?'

Val says, 'I'm done'

Val smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'or even better -- submit articles that you've already spellchecked, formatted nicely without wacky characters, and that aren't too long!'

Dogbert says, 'can they be haiku dissess of pkers?'

Duckon says, 'sometimes i wish i was a create so i could put up red signs that say Submit for Pink tokens everywhere :)'

UggaBagugga cackles gleefully at Dogbert - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Lorenzo says, 'also, run it past the internet grammarian, please'

Val's spelling and format is impeccable, regardless. *snicker*

Scathniamh raises her eyebrow at Val.

Dogbert says, 'horror is eeky/ she hit a DT running/ from me, alt of flea'

LadyAce says, 'mmm, yes. So let's get to talking about the earlier question, I didn't think we'd take quite so long to get to it but the questions tonight have been juicy'

Trousers lies down on the ground and gets comfortable.

Scathniamh runs around the room in circles, squealing loudly.

LadyAce says, 'Q&A -- what do you like, not like, and what do we do?'

Val smiles at LadyAce.

Scathniamh says, 'me first me first me first!'

Kae says to LadyAce, 'Less spam, less socials, I'm happy.'

LadyAce says, 'Let's get Scath talking before some pants catch on fire :)'

Scathniamh giggles.

Cheyla says, 'the amount of extra spammage'

Scathniamh says, 'Okay!'

Robar says to Kae, 'you're happy?'

Scathniamh says, 'I have a solution to many problems'

UggaBagugga waves happily.

Kae is staggered by Robar's spam!

Dogbert splashes water all over Trousers - wanna join in the fun?

Scathniamh says, 'First problem it solves: Kaige's posting logs on the website'

Dogbert says, 'dont worry he's wet'

Trousers pets Dogbert lovingly.

Dogbert says, 'he wont catch on fire'

Scathniamh says, 'Second: Whoever mentioned the stuff about a channel to ask questions on'

Scathniamh says, 'And it'd make QnA time less spammy'

Scathniamh says, 'A QnA board.'

Scathniamh says, 'Not like news, where you can have whole conversations'

Trousers says, 'Like a forum board?'

Scathniamh says, 'But where you can post questions you have, and people can formulate opinions'

Lorenzo says to Scathniamh, 'how's it different from discussion?'

Chauvelin says, 'it's called the discussion board'

Kae says, 'oh, the discusion board?'

Robar says, 'as in discussion board?'

Scathniamh says, 'Not really'

Dogbert says, 'how about this: a qna channel where you can submit questions for q n a before it happens'

Dogbert says, 'I always have a notepad for q n a questions'

Dogbert says, 'that fills up every week'

Kae says, 'we have one, it's called qna or feedback'

Dogbert says, 'eek!'

Scathniamh says, 'Dogbert...there is a problem with that'

Robar says, 'more pr for all the features'

Cheyla says, 'if you submit stuff via feedback, it gets appended to the bottom of the log when it is posted to the web'

Dogbert says, 'but the thing is, Id only throw a question in there if I knwe the response would be in q n a'

Scathniamh says to Cheyla, 'and when does that happen?'

Dogbert nods his agreement with Scathniamh.

Scathniamh says to Cheyla, 'two weeks from never?'

Duckon says, 'hmm'

Scathniamh says, 'It's not Kaige's fault'

Cheyla says, 'when kaige does it?'

Scathniamh says, 'She's got a lot of work.'

Dogbert says, 'it's always kaige's fault :P'

LadyAce says, 'I do understand being fond of live responses'

Scathniamh says, 'But really, it's almost never updated.'

Duckon says, 'so a nondiscussable discussion board'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Duckon.

Duckon nods solemnly.

Scathniamh says, 'Somewhere where you could look, "oh, these are the questions being asked. I'm interested in the answers. I'll go to qna"'

Kaige says, 'kinda takes the point out of Q&A if it's not discussable'

Scathniamh says, 'No, no'

Duckon says, 'but i'd miss the interraction'

Scathniamh says, 'Just the board'

Scathniamh says, 'You post the questions'

Robar says, 'yay, more board one should check to keep updated, and please place it in yet another room so one have to move as much as possible'

Dogbert says, 'like a weolcome board post every week for q n a'

Scathniamh says, 'people can form comments and such for QnA night'

Scathniamh says, 'or, something like what dogbert said'

Kae says, 'sounds like the discussion board to me'

Val nods his agreement with Kae.

Scathniamh says, 'Can you append on the discussion board?'

Kae says, 'yes'

Dogbert says, 'the discussion board is just a place to suggest things, then get flamed for it'

LadyAce says, 'Yea, there are 60-append threads on there sometimes'

Scathniamh says, 'the point of the board i'm discussion isn't to discuss'

Robar says to Scathniamh, 'have you read the discussion board?'

Scathniamh says, 'it's to POST questions'

Scathniamh says, 'Not answers'

Robar says, 'ah, a statement board?'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Robar.

Duckon smiles happily.

Cheyla says, 'if you can write on a board, you can append, we can't restrict that'

Dogbert says, 'you could make it simpler'

Scathniamh looks up into the sky and ponders.

Scathniamh says, 'That is a quandry'

Robar says, 'use a notepad for that'

Dogbert says, 'make a welcome board post every wednesday with things from feedback to be answered at q n a'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Dogbert.

Scathniamh says, 'The whole point of it would be to prepare you guys'

Kae says, 'you could just post on discussion -- I'm gonna ask this next thursday, formulate views now'

Kae shrugs philosophically.

Scathniamh says, 'So we can get something done at QnA besides "we don't know now"'

Scathniamh says, 'not that you give that answer a lot'

Scathniamh says, 'But it's kinda frustrating when you do.'

Kaige says, 'ok currently it has in it:'

Kaige says, 'Cleaned 06/21/04'

Robar says, 'I think we need to drown powerful people in more paperwork so they never get around to squash nifty features'

Dogbert says, 'ok, something like this, but on the *welcome* board so we cant respond'

Scathniamh says, 'and for people like me who are in school all day, and come home to do homework...'

Scathniamh says, 'We know if we need to go or not'

Kae nods her agreement with Robar.

Dogbert posts a small piece of paper from Dogbert on the news board.

Dogbert says, 'something like that'

Dogbert says, 'but unappendable'

Scathniamh nods solemnly.

Duckon says, 'ahhh'

Trousers rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Dogbert says, 'everyone get the idea?'

Dogbert says, 'except unappendable'

Scathniamh thanks Dogbert heartily.

Huginn has created a postcard!

Duckon says, 'dogbert you nutty genius fool! :D'

Dogbert erases message #19 from the news board.

LadyAce says, 'I'm not sure if a board without appends allowed is as useful as any of the other methods we have'

Dogbert says, 'then why have the welcome board!'

Scathniamh says, 'What methods?'

Val nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'without appends, no one could clarify, redirect, etc.'

Dogbert says, 'thats where you can post it!'

Scathniamh says, 'Posting the logs six months later?'

Scathniamh says, 'Ah, but IMMS can.'

LadyAce says, 'channels, tells, Q&A itself, discussion'

Kae says, 'seems to me like a source of aditional paperwork and frustration since people would then run and append their views on the other boards anyway'

Lorenzo says, 'people would just follow up by posting a new topic, instead of appending. it would be messy'

Scathniamh says, 'Not necessarily'

LadyAce says, 'players give good perspectives in Q&A as well'

Huginn posts a postcard from Huginn on the welcome board.

Scathniamh says, 'Yes, but then it would be more organized'

LadyAce says, 'we don't see the world from all possible facets, that's why player feedback can be so helpful'

Scathniamh says, 'You guys complain about spam and crap'

Scathniamh says, 'We spam as we work things out'

Val says, 'Good god, read at an Inn!'

Val ducks to the ground.

Kaige says, 'yeah but honestly sometimes it's MUCH worse than others'

Duckon says, 'maybe its fine the way it is .. and we as a singler person could cut down on our indivisual spam input *smile self*'

Lorenzo says, 'no, no: "message 19: I have this question. message 20: I don't think you should ask that question, I think you should instead ask that questiopn. message 21: here is the answer to the question in #19."'

Scathniamh says to Duckon, 'you honestly think that's possible?'

Kaige says, 'and I don't think it's the format or the forum that's so much the problem'

Lorenzo says, 'that's what would happen if appends didn't work.'

Duckon shakes his head.

Scathniamh says to Lorenzo, 'that's why it's an IMM board.'

Dogbert says, 'scat'

Lorenzo says, 'and that's not more organized'

Scathniamh says to Lorenzo, 'like Welcome.'

Duckon says, 'but its probable'

Dogbert says, 'exactly!'

Val nods his agreement with Duckon.

Dogbert says, 'look, when you imms say something, you generally all take the same view, despite dislikes or likes'

Kae says, 'to me the problem is people talking and chatting and chitting and flopping around off topic -- hanging out and socializing is all cool but do it after or before, not during'

Dogbert says, 'this posting idea is the logical extension of that'

Scathniamh says, 'Okay. Let's see if I can explain this better'

Dogbert says, 'like if I feedbacked a question that you *knew* the answer to regardless of personal position, you could post it as a question to be answered absolutely'

Scathniamh says, 'You guys have this QnA channel'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kae.

Lorenzo agrees!

Scathniamh says, 'Which posts when it's posted on the website'

Scathniamh says, 'Which never happens.'

Kaige says, 'when there's something in it to post too'

Scathniamh says, 'What if, instead of doing that, you posted all the questions on the welcome board'

Scathniamh says, 'You'd have to publicize the channel, of course'

Scathniamh says, 'But then you'd have an agenda.'

Dogbert says, 'bad example, and one you probably all understand: "Why cant I redeem for incite on my mage now?"'

Dogbert says, 'I feedback it'

Val points to the fact that you don't -have- to ask questions in Q&A, there are Imms around outside of that time as well.

Duckon says, 'then you can be like "So, Duckon, you had a question about fish .. you all saw teh question posted .. so lets discuss!" right?'

Dogbert says, 'she then compiles a post of such questions'

Cheyla says, 'poor kaige, even more to do'

Dogbert says, 'and posts the said questions on the welcome board'

Scathniamh says to Val, 'you're trying to negate QnA all together if you pull that one.'

Dogbert says, 'then just spams a response at the beginning of q n a'

Kae says, 'yep, Kaige definitely doesn't have enough work as is ;)'

Scathniamh says, 'QnA would take less time'

Dogbert says, 'that way, real questions get answered, people in absentia can ask stuff'

Scathniamh nods her agreement with Dogbert.

Robar says, 'make her choke on paperwork!'

Dogbert says, 'well then replace kaige with some other imm in that post'

Dogbert says, 'but same idea'

Lorenzo bursts into tears.

Kae says, 'people in absentia already can ask stuff, their answers get appended to the qna logs'

Duckon comforts Lorenzo.

Scathniamh says, 'you know...there are so many people in this game that would LOVE to just handle paperwork'

LadyAce says, 'so far, here are the things I've heard: spam, followthrough, and format elements'

Scathniamh says, 'the logs that NEVER come out!'

Dogbert facepalms.

Dogbert says to Scathniamh, 'i give up, *we're* agreeing on something and the imms cant understand :('

Val does not agree.

Sandra understands it.

Kae says to Scathniamh, 'You know, the way you carry on about that, if I were Kaige I'd dump them 6 months longer just to bug you by now.'

Cheyla says, 'it's not that we don't understand'

Scathniamh cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Dogbert emotes it.

Duckon says to Dogbert, 'I find it weird that youre agreeing.'

Scathniamh says, 'dump what?'

LadyAce says, 'I'd like to try to focus down on the issues we've identified, unless there are other major categories.'

Robar says to Dogbert, 'it comes with being imm, its like a virus, you simpyl stop being able to understand anything.'

Scathniamh says, 'I'm not complaining.'

Cheyla whaps Robar across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Kaige says, 'the backlog of logs that are sitting waiting to be cleaned/notated with topics and htmlized'

Robar smirks.

Trousers looks up into the sky and ponders.

Robar says to Cheyla, 'you didnt understand that.'

Scathniamh says, 'I'm just stating fact. She has too much work to bother with logs'

Scathniamh says, 'If you had a board where you could post the questions, people would know to be here if they wanted to hear the answers.'

LadyAce says, 'Ok, look. Here's the deal. You need to let me lead this forum, or we will NOT be able to resolve this. I can't talk louder in here, but I must insist. We need to focus our discussion down.'

Lorenzo says to Robar, 'isn't that on the imm app? "do you understand anything? check no or maybe."'

Kae says to Scathniamh, 'So what you're basically saying is that someone else should do it, well, then, feel free to make LA deputize someone ;)'

Robar chuckles politely.

Scathniamh says, 'No. I'm not.'

Scathniamh says, 'I'm saying it doesn't NEED to be done.'

Duckon says to Scathniamh, 'Hmmm.'

Val says to Scathniamh, 'seems like you should just post this to the discussion board.'

Val ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'If no one is adding to my list of major focus areas, we're going to go with the first one'

Kae snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'who has thoughts about spam?'

LadyAce says, 'raise and be pointed at :) thanks much'

LadyAce points at Val.

Val says, 'I apologize for length in advance... but I have a few ideas based on recent observations... note the following are only my personal suggestions/opinions. =P'

Val says, '1 - Most important... it should be the players' responsibility, not the Imms', to control the spam and climate of the Q&A. Which means we need to come up with some rules of conduct in order to participate in the session.'

Val says, '2 - If you want to keep things moving, it helps to indicate to the Imm running the Q&A when you have gotten the answer to your question and we can move on.'

Val says, '3 - Keep your personal issues with other players and particularly the Imms -out- of Q&A... this is, quite honestly, the worst.'

Val says, '4 - Lastly, (I promise,) it's just going to be spammy, regardless. I don't care much for the idea of a board, I'm willing to deal with some spam in order to have an interactive discussion.'

Val says, 'Fine'

Val says, 'Er, done'

Val chuckles politely.

Scathniamh sighs loudly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Val.

LadyAce says, 'nice analysis, thanks'

Trousers blinks.

Sandra smiles at Val.

LadyAce points at Kae.

Kae says, 'I'll just summarize what Val already said for me: If it's not your question, shut the hell up and let people answer the question without emotes, socials, spams, in-jokes, chitchat, and other side show amusement'

Trousers nods his agreement with Kae.

Kae says, 'that's it'

LadyAce points at Dogbert.

Dogbert is writing it out

Dogbert says, '1 - Spam isnt just socials and opinions, a *lot* of it is discussions between imms and players on little side issues that arise--I say this because blaming players solely for spam is bad an false.'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Dogbert.

Dogbert says, '2 - a lot of questions are repetitive, and it contributes to the spam.'

Dogbert says, 'best example is the hot potato 'flavour of the week' issue'

Dogbert says, 'i.e. this is pk overpowered etc etc'

Dogbert says, 'but when I take it to tells, a lot of imms say to say it so I dont ruin the flow of the logs'

Dogbert says, '3 - A lot of the time questions are already answered before they're asked, and this is a big spam factor.'

Duckon points at LadyAce.

LadyAce points at Robar.

LadyAce says, 'actually, is Robar if Dogbert is done :)'

LadyAce points at Robar.

LadyAce says, 'Or me, if Robar is link-troubled....'

LadyAce says, 'anyway I was just going to add in there that the sidetrips are something of a whirlpool'

Scathniamh peers around intently.

Trousers says, 'What was that?'

Scathniamh says, 'is it just me, or did it seem like LA kicked the router?'

Val says, 'I knew it would happen. Spammed LD. =P *snicker*'

LadyAce says, 'hm, or maybe it's the net :) robar's turn when he's ok'

Dogbert begins to twitch nervously.

Duckon says, 'interresting'

Robar says, 'I'm always better than ok'

Dogbert says, 'am I still up?'

LadyAce says, 'I'm not sure why that happened, really. I'm cooking dinner, no where near the router'

Duckon drinks from a tall glass of lemonade.

LadyAce says to Dogbert, 'I thought you might be done, but it could've been network :)'

Dogbert says, 'network!'

Scathniamh says, 'last thing I was was LA raising his hand.'

Trousers drinks from a silver goblet of deep red wine.

Scathniamh says, 'saw was'

Robar says, 'ahem anyway, all I wanted to state was that all those good intentions and player controlled spam filters they're all fine but it wont work unless theres some spam-keeper with a short fuse, a single warning and a bucket of glue'

Dogbert says to Robar, 'we have the answer.'

Dogbert pokes Sandra in the ribs.

Scathniamh says, 'her hand. man, talk about brain farts'

Val nods his agreement with Robar.

Sandra says, 'what'd I do?'

Duckon says, 'was spam really that bad today?'

LadyAce says, 'I must say that when I did the Expies Ceremony this year, it was a big big help to have people ready with the glue pot'

Scathniamh says, 'But how can one person subjectively gauge what's spam and what's not?'

LadyAce says, 'and past years too, not to single anything out'

Scathniamh says, 'I mean, are spin-off conversations with imms spam?'

Scathniamh says, 'Are spin-off questions spam?'

Val says, 'Yep.'

Scathniamh says, 'To you.'

Duckon says, 'justifiable spam?'

Kae says, 'yes - anything that doesn't pertain directly to the question asked is spam and should be brought to a separate question if required'

Sandra says, 'I find it really difficult to keep up with things. My typing has slowed down lately, so I can't catch it all, and it gets frustrating'

Kaige says, 'definitely if someone else has already started in on their question period'

Lorenzo says, 'for spin-offs, use tells. collecive discussion is useful -- I don't think it should be limited to the person posing the question -- but if it's tangential, wait it out or talk privately.'

Kae says, 'an opinion pertaining to the question asked is not spam even if not offered by the original asker, no'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Scathniamh says, 'even if that opinion is in question form?'

LadyAce says, 'the opinions in form of questions are actually rather aggravating if you ask me'

Kaige says, 'retelling entire pk fights... is usually not that helpful in most cases'

Scathniamh grins evilly.

Scathniamh says, 'I don't pk'

LadyAce says, 'I prefer questions that are questions, and feedback that is feedback'

Scathniamh whistles appreciatively.

LadyAce says to Robar, 'We cover your thought ok?'

Robar says, 'but cant feedback sometimes be in the form of a question?'

Robar says to LadyAce, 'my thought? I'm not thinking.'

LadyAce says, 'I'm thinking of questions like "Is it supposed to be the case that this code you put in really sucks??"'

LadyAce says, 'that's not a question, and it's rude to put it that way'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Scathniamh peers around intently.

Kae says to LadyAce, 'Oh, is that like that change 3 months suxed too?'

Kae steps off her example horse.

LadyAce says, 'that's what I meant about questions versus feedback'

Kae nods solemnly.

Dogbert says, 'hey, dont get angry, some of your changes are bad changes, and they're gonna get negative reviews'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Lorenzo says, 'questions elucidating questions or answers are useful, but questions with (usually badly-) hidden meaning are annoying'

Val says to Dogbert, 'they don't have to be phrased in a rude way.'

LadyAce says, 'That's not a negative review, that's an insult with a negative review inside.'

Dogbert says, 'it's not like we're saying gigli was a bad production, the plot just sucked :P'

Kae says, 'the issue isn't that you're not allowed to voice your hatred of som changes, it's whether you ask in a way that can be replied to or you just flame'

Robar says, 'but 'sucks' isnt very descriptive, precise perhaps..'

Kaige says, 'my dishwasher's broke... fix it'

Duckon says, 'play with words'

Val giggles at Kaige.

Lorenzo says to Dogbert, 'but it's not the word "suck", it's the tone of "I presume that you know this sucks, and you're doing it because you hate me"'

Dogbert says to Lorenzo, 'no, generally it's done for conformity, and that's not always a good thing.'

Cheyla says, 'and here we have an example of a side conversation starting'

Val nods his agreement with Cheyla.

Duckon says, 'they just seem to sneak up on ya! like .. spiders'

Robar says, 'but they're not as cute as most spiders'

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Dogbert says, 'what's that? lion's scalp was gonna be my example?'

Scathniamh says, 'spiders!? cute!?'

Duckon whaps Robar across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

LadyAce says, 'well, let's consider that my turn, I talked enough in there'

Duckon says, 'stay on the subject! spam!'

Scathniamh goes EEK! in distress.

Scathniamh laughs.

Scathniamh waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'Next up is Lorenzo'

Val gently sighs with relief -- PHEW!

Lorenzo says, 'is this hand #1 or hand #2?'

Lorenzo says, 'the first was on another topic'

Kae watches the spam levels plummet.

LadyAce says, 'We're talking about spam, if you have a comment for that.'

Lorenzo says, '#2 is withdrawn :)'

LadyAce says, 'Val is up next'

LadyAce points at Val.

Val says, 'I just wanted to comment'

Val says, 'That spin-off questions are incredibly rude to the person talking, and confusing and spammy for everyone. Keep a piece of paper on your desk for Q&A and raise your hand =P'

Val shrugs helplessly.

Val says, 'Works for me'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Val is finished.

LadyAce points at Lorenzo.

Lorenzo says, 'I think that's about right. It's easy and convenient to comment in-flow, and useful! -- it's how we would do it if we were in a room together, really. But this is asynchronous, and it's easy for RL behavior to get out of control.'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Dogbert says, 'smells bad, but the words are good.'

Lorenzo says, 'I think it's important to allow some side talk, on topic, but police ourselves not to let it carry far -- if it's more than a line or two, write it down and bring it up as a follow-on'

Lorenzo says, 'that's it'

Dogbert glares icily at Sandra.

Kaige says, 'the hush social is very useful.. you only spam the spammer with it'

Duckon puts a finger to his lips.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce points at Robar.

Duckon says, 'hmmm'

Robar says, 'I forgot what I wanted to say, must have been important'

Lorenzo giggles.

LadyAce says, 'any other comments on spam?'

Val says, 'Yeah'

Val says, 'Don't =P'

Robar says, 'we agree lets stop spamming out agreeing and move on?'

Kae giggles.

Dogbert says, 'spam is good, spam is great, we surrender to spam, our will & estate'

LadyAce says, 'what I'd like to do is go back through this and extract specifics, and put it on discussion, as a global agreement sort of thread'

LadyAce says to Dogbert, 'A last word about spam before we talk about followthrough?'

Kae says, 'discussion, rather than welcome where we can't append?'

Dogbert says, 'I jsut said it'

LadyAce says, 'ok.'

Duckon says, 'viva la spam'

LadyAce says, 'next up is followthrough. I have already heard enough ragging on Kaige, so I won't hear more of that.'

LadyAce says, 'do I have any comments on what type of followthrough would be useful, yet not excessively work-intensive?'

LadyAce points at Duckon.

Duckon says, 'i kinda liked scath's ideas .. but honestly i like it just the way it is really .. !'

Duckon was quick and now is done.

LadyAce says, 'I'm not sure I extracted the request -- more advance agenda, was the request?'

Duckon nods to something like that.

LadyAce says, 'My comment on that is that I'd rather see a forum reflect the people who are there, rather than answering absentees -- that seems like discussion board fodder'

Kaige says, 'basically, tho I don't like the idea of advertising it or thinking of it as "hmm... doesn't look interesting, don't think I'll go tonight"'

Duckon nods his agreement with Kaige.

Duckon says, 'i had the same thought'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Duckon says, 'partially because i would do that'

LadyAce says, 'we almost always discuss any posted changes, that's on the permanent agenda in a way'

Kaige says, 'Hopefully we can get those up sooner too'

Huginn says, 'sorry.. I was oow. Get which up sooner?'

Kaige says, 'code updates so they can be discussed and people can formulate questions to be asked about them at Q&A'

Huginn says, 'sure'

Huginn says, 'I can post them wed night if you want'

Huginn says, 'heck I can post them when I tag on sunday'

Kae says, 'I think some people would love that at least'

Huginn says, 'ok'

Val nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'other thoughts about followthrough? Something I used to do more is update helpfiles right there in Q&A, based on questions asked. Seem like a good thing to put forward as a hey-you-go-do-this-thing?'

Val says to LadyAce, 'you shall go forth and make it rain waffles.'

Val gives LadyAce permission to leave.

Val grins evilly.

LadyAce wrinkles her nose with distaste.

LadyAce says, 'next topic is format'

LadyAce says, 'Who has comments about format?'

Duckon says, 'hmm'

Val looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says, 'we could return to the old idea that only the person holding the mike can actually speak'

Kae ducks to the ground.

LadyAce points at Val.

Val says, 'And bingo to Kae.'

LadyAce says, 'I think that would slow down the conversation quite a bit, in the absence of nonverbal cues'

Val says, 'One person gets a point, everyone else didn't get a point, thus, everyone else isn't talking.'

Val shrugs helplessly.

Val says, 'It could be fast if people had a concise question, put it forth, and passed the torch when they were done.'

LadyAce says, 'but if 3 players and 2 imms all have interesting things to say in reply?'

Kae raises her hand, pointing at it.

Val says, 'They should raise their hand, jot it down, whatever, and wait their turn'

LadyAce says, 'It sounds like something we could give a try and see how folks like it.'

Robar says, 'I think it sounds a tad anal'

Val says, 'I doubt it would be liked. But it would be orderly, manageable, and do-able'

Val shrugs helplessly.

Val says, 'And that concludes my part of that.'

Kae says, 'me too, and I happily agree that as is right now it's over-control-freaky, but as was 20 minutes ago I would have worshiped'

LadyAce says, 'It seems too slow to me, but I'll try anything once :)'

Val nods his agreement with Kae.

Kaige says, 'we could even string a zip as 'the floor''

LadyAce says, 'I definitely would make fewer friendly/stupid comments. Maybe that's good, maybe bad.'

Val says, 'With a smaller group it's really needless, but with 15 people in the room...'

Lorenzo says to Kae, 'that's a remark there that wouldn't have been allowed, but is nice to be able to hear :)'

Lorenzo scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Kae says, 'with 4-10 people it's fine to just chat'

Kae says, 'when people start off, though, it's a nightmare'

Lorenzo nods. Seems like it needs to be a little dynamic.

LadyAce says, 'Did I miss a hand? Other thoughts about format?'

Robar says, 'just upgrade your internal eye-spam filter to type Robar63 and you'll never ahve a problem with spam again'

Kaige says, 'yeah, I like the free form bit, and that's how I try to keep it when I run it... but you have to stop the runaways and move on'

Duckon says, 'in your example with the gavel it got me to the thought of like actual discussion meetings they have in some towns heh how they give one person the floor then open up for discussion .. is it possible to block out all other messages th'

Duckon says, 'doh!'

Duckon says, 'en give a verbal open and ungag them all so they can THEN discuss?'

LadyAce says, 'I'm with Robar on that being a bit too over the top, control wise :/'

Duckon says, 'prolly was already answered .. was waiting for call on hand :S pretype'

Kae says, 'like, question is asked, attempted answered, and then we all rant about it for a few minutes?'

Kaige gives the floor to Kae.

Duckon looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae gives the floor to Duckon.

Kae giggles.

Duckon says, 'well .. kinda?'

Kae says, 'sounds good to me'

Robar wouldnt mind a bed now we're handing out free furniture.

Duckon says, 'cept nobody can talk because .. they cant heh cept the one person'

Kae says, 'well, if we opened the floor to discussion in between they could?'

Kae has created a smidge of zip!

LadyAce says, 'I like that -- ask, answer, discussion, CUT'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Val nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kae nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'I think he means hard-coded couldn't, right? And that idea's come up many times in the past'

Duckon says, 'something we did on irc with special chats'

Robar says, 'isnt that what we're doing? except sometimes the cut is a tad slow?'

Kae gives the softest bed this side of Betelgeuse to Robar.

Kae says, 'pretty much'

Robar beams at the softest bed this side of Betelgeuse delightedly - such materialism!

Duckon says, 'no .. i mean make it so they CANT talk .. only the question asker and immorties'

Robar says to Kae, 'my 2nd favortie.'

Robar bats his eyelashes at Kae.

Duckon says, 'THEENNN open it so they can for everyon else'

LadyAce says, 'if the answer bit was imm-only, they'd get AN answer before all broke loose'

Kae says, 'what you're saying is basically the same as now but with the silence hard coded until the floor is opened'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Duckon nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'that way they'd get their words in edgewise and get full attention'

Duckon kisses Kae.

Duckon smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'before everyone jumped in'

Kae nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Duckon says, 'yesh'

Val says, 'I would be very interested to see that.'

LadyAce says, 'I think that's a good compromise between chaos and control.'

Kae says, 'will require some coding obviously'

Duckon nods solemnly.

Kae says, 'a daemon to toggle the room gag people and off'

Kaige says, 'or just a command'

Kae nods solemnly.

Duckon says, 'just something i thought about ..'

Val says, 'You're right, this can be done in a way that is both orderly and democratic :)'

Robar says, 'sounds boring'

Kaige says, 'yeah.. it's basically the same thing as we've bandied about lots of times in the past'

Duckon says, 'because on irc ya know they have the +m and the ops only can talk .. so they'd voice up the people who were asking .. and such'

Kae says, 'I think it'd break a lot of social-spamming out of pure habit at least'

Val nods his agreement with Kae.

Robar says, 'have you considered that sometimes some people might use talking as some kind of staying awake therapy?'

Kaige points at Kae.

Cheyla says, 'use tells, group up, or chat'

Kae says to Robar, 'Have you considered that sometimes I muzzle you when you get too frisky?'

LadyAce says, 'let's go back to hands, I think Lorenzo was up'

Robar says to Kae, 'just dont use that ferret.'

Val stifles a laugh.

Lorenzo says, 'well, something I've been trying more of lately, that I just gave an example of -- I think socials can be nice for coloring context so it's not so black & white texty, but they can get out of hand.'

Lorenzo says, 'so can says when there are lots in sequence'

Lorenzo says, 'But with just a little work socials and speech can be coalesced to be less spammy just by using emote. Maybe that's the wrong topic, but it's sort of format-related too.'

Lorenzo says, 'the exmaple was a while back now'

Lorenzo says, 'just made me think of it as a tactic when I happened to do it.'

Lorenzo yields the floor. "All done!"

LadyAce says, 'yea, cutting socials doesn't mean cutting all non-word context'

LadyAce says, 'then again, people with moods on in Q&A...well...some of them get old when overused'

Kaige says, 'suppressing getting stuff from containers and all would be a useful part of it'

Kae says, 'more like everyone who isn't currently holding the floor that Duckon's currently got and not me will be effectively glued social, emote, and talk wise?'

Val says, 'I'd really like it if I could at least nod agreement with someone on occasion.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Val.

Kae says, 'maybe it could be made to allow nod and shake'

Lorenzo nods at Val. "But if you want to nod and say something, emoting is a nice way to make it less spammy."

Kae says to Kaige, 'Voiding should send you back to ooc.'

Lorenzo cringes away from Kae in mortal terror.

LadyAce says, 'would be nice if no one had socials to unvoid :P'

LadyAce says, 'use look! Just use look!'

Kaige says, 'I don't mind people voiding as long as they have QUIET unvoid triggers'

Kae goes nuts from people with 3-5 socials as an antivoid triggers.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Robar says, 'was that 3 to five or a typo for 365?'

Lorenzo says, 'it's the excessive socials that are trouble, to me. using look is good -- but I often go 15 minutes just listening, without saying anything.'

Kae threatens Robar with a particularly misbehaven ferret.

Robar behaves.

Kaige says, 'yeah and I don't think that's a problem, nor people whose links die on them and they reconnect'

LadyAce says, 'I had one idea about format -- would it be helpful to have more special topical sessions, where some of the really long stuff can belong?'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'it's the extra spam of the socials that are unpredictable can can't be skimmed out easily that are annoying'

Kae says, 'could be nice to have one qna a month dedicated to specific topics, yes'

LadyAce says, 'like this :) I imagine belonged in its own thing, not regular Q&A. I just couldn't stand to attend without talking about this, personally. Too troubling'

Robar says, '3 to pke whining and 1 to 'the rest*?'

LadyAce points at Val.

Val says, 'There's a possible problem with the extra meet I might point out'

Val says, 'I means an extra meet =P'

Robar says, 'so delete one of the others'

LadyAce says, 'I'd rather have more meets that were more orderly and useful than have fewer that were unsatisfactory'

Val says, 'Nah, don't delete them. Maybe make one extra-long Q&A, similar to this, and if you want to just do Q&A, or the extra, or both, you have that option all in one block?'

LadyAce says, 'if we need a gripes session, let's do that, and not drag Q&A in, or what not'

Val looks up into the sky and ponders.

Val says to LadyAce, 'that's a good point.'

Val shrugs helplessly.

Val says, 'That's my two cents :)'

LadyAce points at Lorenzo.

Duckon says, 'a complain session hehe Q&AAA'

Val says, 'We could call it the B&M *duck*'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'this month on B&M, our axe to grind is...: '

Lorenzo says, 'I think special-topic sesssions would be nice, and a lot of regular Q&A sessions tell us what topics been that kind of attention. It might even allow more topics than just the predeterminedone, just be designated as a time for'

Lorenzo says, 'longer-form discussion. And it could be, say, after each first q&a of a month, or something like that, for regularity.'

Lorenzo says, 'er, they tell us what topics *need* that kind of attention'

Val says to Lorenzo, 'you mean, vote on it, or...?'

LadyAce says, 'I think nominations would be cool. But I'd want to walk into the session willing to change whatever the topic was'

Val nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo says, 'I mean, if something turns out to be a hot topic, the chair *point ladyace* can ask whether we can defer it for another meeting'

LadyAce says, 'er, make change to the situation that the topic referred to'

LadyAce says, 'so that people don't feel their gripe energy wasted, that's just setting people up for sadness'

Lorenzo says, 'and then just have that particular scheduled time slot the default time to discussed deferred topics.'

Robar says, 'which would suck if you were waiting up for a particularly interesting topic just to find it changed last minute'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we should change the topic itself, no'

LadyAce says, 'just be willing to make changes regarding the thing being discussed.'

LadyAce says, 'I suppose if no one wanted to talk about it, we could sit around and yammer :)'

LadyAce says, 'other thoughts about format?'

Val giggles at LadyAce.

Lorenzo says, 'it is nice sometimes just to get together and talk, it's one of the things I like about q&a but that definitely causes trouble at times'

LadyAce says, 'could try to direct that to the "after party"'

Kaige says, 'mixers would be good to get going again too'

Cheyla says, 'we had a mixer once...'

Kae says, 'could make it so the first qna of a month is about a topic -- pkill, mages, socials, what have you that seems to be stirring in the crowd recently, might bring in some new faces too'

Kae says, 'could have a thread on di'

Robar wrinkles his nose with distaste.

Val says, 'Sorry... a "mixer"??'

Robar says, 'you mean actually talk to THEM?'

Duckon smiles happily.

Kaige says, 'organized time to just hang out'

Lorenzo says, 'mostly I mean that if the topic isn't very popular, don't cancel the get-together, just let it devolve then'

Kae says, 'discussion board where people append the topics they find most relevant'

LadyAce says, 'I'd definitely love to see those happen, if I could sucker people into running them :)'

Kae says, 'then we could pretty much pick them from what seems most stirring in the crowd recently'

Kae ran 2, somebody else's turn.

Robar ran 5?

Val says, 'Ohhh I will'

Val chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'ok, have we covered this topic well enough to give everyone stuff to think about and add to a discussion board summary if they have more thoughts?'

Duckon smiles happily.

Val nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'you mean format?'

LadyAce says, 'format and the overall actually'

LadyAce points at Lorenzo.

Dogbert blinks.

Robar bonks Dogbert on the head!

Dogbert says, 'hey'

Val snickers softly.

Dogbert says, 'it's boring'

LadyAce says to Lorenzo, 'Less thinking, more typing! :)'

Lorenzo says, 'this is touching back on what scath said earlier, and some responses I've seen since. I agree that pre-publishing the topic list for q&a would have a negative effect, but there's another change I'd like'

Lorenzo pouts.

Robar says, 'ooh, less thinking before typing this sounds like my forum!'

Lorenzo says, 'I find it really useful to see other people's questions -- it stimulates new thoughts of my own and helps me form new questions. so I think that covering questions raised on the q&a channel publically, in the session, would be great'

Lorenzo says, 'that is, instead of just having them tacked onto the log'

Val nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Kaige says, 'go out and evangelize for people to use it'

Kae says, 'could we possibly post the questions from there into a discussion post with the answers? Surely we must have some sucker pr imm who wants that job'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'What do you think? I'd be willing to mine them out if it's trouble?'

Lorenzo says, 'reader mail! "We have a letter from joebob, who asks, '...'"'

LadyAce giggles at Kae.

LadyAce says to Kae, 'Jinx! :)'

Kae says to LadyAce, 'Well, I'd volunteer but my schedule is already overstocked and Cheyla and Choc will both kill me if I take on more jobs :)'

Val cackles gleefully at Kae - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Cheyla says to Kae, 'I need lunch once in a while...'

Kaige says, 'another thing is a LOT of the ones that I posted in that section before were from the bug and typo files, not just the qna file... because they were questions and not reports'

Kae says to Cheyla, 'You get that whenever I go near admintypos.'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'Yea, that's why I wonder if it wouldn't be trouble :/'

Robar says to Kaige, 'wow, it sounds like somebody puts thought into something, i'm impressed.'

Cheyla says, 'or if it's a bug report that isn't really a bug'

Cheyla says, 'that we keep seeing over and over and over'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Kaige smiles at Robar.

Lorenzo was just htinking of posing the question during q&a itself, actually, so it gets into the log thataway. And attendees can think about it during session and assk any followups they think of.

Val blushes as he sees Cheyla here.

Kae says to Cheyla, 'The +8 ring never loads?'

Robar says, 'which is why poeple shoudl stop bugging things thats really features'

Val looks guilty!

Lorenzo says, 'so that the channel is more of a "please ask this question for me" than a "please answer this question"'

Cheyla giggles at Val.

Val winks suggestively at Cheyla.

LadyAce says, 'we could try pulling reader mail in from the feedback channel, and still doing the addendums based on discoveries in other files'

Val says to LadyAce, 'english dear?'

Lorenzo forgets. is feedback the same as q&a?

Kae says to Lorenzo, 'Same channel.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Lorenzo nods solemnly.

Kae says, 'got to be called feedback too cos I kept typoing it to qua'

Kae giggles.

Robar says, 'actually whats best, bugging things thats not bugs or not bugging things thats bugs? and do you think publicly announcing that many people are stupid will promote the first or the latter?'

Lorenzo giggles.

Kaige says to Val, 'Yes, but take the ones that get misfiled and still put them at the bottom.'

Kaige translates.

Kae says to Robar, 'If in doubt, bug it.'

Cheyla says to Robar, 'Bugging things that aren't is better.'

Kae says to Robar, 'We already know that everyone who muds are too stupid to get a life ;)'

Cheyla says to Robar, 'And we don't publish the names, just the report/question and answer.'

Val rolls around laughing at Kae's joke.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Robar says, 'well I was thinking more now, you all seemed to be laughing more or less secretly at how stupid people can be'

Robar says, 'and I do consider myself the public'

Kae says, 'can I say something I've been sitting on all evening? My feet are getting tired from hopping around and it'll be real quick'

LadyAce says, 'sure'

Kae woulda waited but she suddenly has a sick husband to look after.

Kae says, 'just wanteta say that for the first time since I immed, the admin board went quiet for a month'

Kae says, 'so go all the players that behaved nicely ;)'

Kae is all done.

Kaige gives a round of applause.

Cheyla cheers wildly!

Robar must have done something wrong.

Duckon chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'hopefully it's due to better behavior, not lack of board-writing :)'

Kae says, 'well, we can but hope :)'

Val grins evilly.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Val's head.

Kae says, 'so I'm gonna run off and look after my poor husband before he dies of self pity'

Kae gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige hugs Kae.

Val purrs contentedly in Kae's lap.

Lorenzo blinks.

LadyAce says, 'thank you everyone for an excellent session'

Lorenzo says, 'should I know that?'

Val smiles happily.

Huginn nods solemnly.

Val says, 'Thanks all'

LadyAce says, 'we've gone quite late and you've all been gems about it'

Huginn waves happily.

Val salutes the gods in admiration of the amazing world around him.

Val winks suggestively.

Lorenzo says, 'thanks to all of you :)'

Kaige waves happily.

Cheyla waves happily.

Sandra says, 'poofie'

Dogbert says, 'booring'

Duckon says, 'do we get pink tokens for staying? *halo*'

Kaige ruffles Duckon's hair playfully.

Duckon says, 'worth trying :P'

Duckon smiles happily.

Kaige chuckles politely.

Kaige waves happily.

Duckon says, 'rent money dont grow on trees!'

Duckon says, 'they grow on coupons and silly strings!'

Lorenzo says to Duckon, 'idea that!'

Robar says, 'no, they grow on mobs'

Duckon says, 'oh my .. good idea'

Duckon says, 'a money tree!! god im good'

Lorenzo forgot to read the updates. What if he has questions now?

Duckon says to Pete, the janitor, '.. poor you .. they never ask if you have questions :/'

Lorenzo giggles.

Duckon says to Pete, the janitor, '.. what if you need a new broom? you need to speak up more often!'

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