February 5th, 2004

Post Code Updates Before Q&A?

Joel says, 'Whhhhyyyyyyyy aren't the code updates ever on the board before Q&A starts? I mean isn't that what we're suppose to be questioning?'

Lust says, 'that's a good idea :P'

Kaige says, 'one sec, I've got this week's to post in a sec, but I was wishing my mom a happy birthday.'

Axis cheers for Kaige - huzzah!

Joel says to Kaige, 'You're not suppose to be that fast!'

Group XP Bonus Change?

Cheap says, 'whats the experience group bonus change mean?'

Kaige says to Rufus, 'You wanna answer that one?'

Kaige says, 'basically, it's a slight change in the formula that smooths out the curve between the bonuses for differing numbers of group members... more how it was originally intended to be instead of having sweet spots'

Hitokai frowns.

Axis cheers wildly!

Cheap says, 'so the bigger the group the more xp or?'

Kaige says, 'no. the cap is the same as it used to be'

Cheap nods solemnly.

Rufus says, 'oh sorry, in and out of a window.'

Kaige says to Rufus, 'Feel free to correct me... wasn't sure I'd get it exactly right.'

Kaige smiles at Rufus.

Rufus says, 'there were a couple bugs with the formula, it was a saw-wave when we intended it to be a linear curve. It's now a linear curve =) Every grouup should see a slight bonus in xp, and groups of 8 or 9 will be much better off'

Lust says, 'wow, you're giving us more xp?'

Lust gasps in astonishment.

Rufus says, 'it's not an amazing change in the way xp's dealt out, but it should be more fair.'

Tainting with Potions?

Hitokai says, 'Why can't I taint arrows from potions I find lying around?'

Kaige says, 'it depends on the potion. not all are intended to be used with taint.'

Hitokai says, 'For example, clear pungent potions lying around near Tara?'

Hitokai says, 'I cant seem to locate any potions that will work...'

LadyAce says to Hitokai, 'What sort of potions don't work?'

Kaige says to Hitokai, 'Not knowing which you've tried I can't say for sure, but if you think it's a problem with the specific one you've found, drop a note on the bug channel, and please let us know where you got the vial.'

Hitokai says, 'Clear Pungents dont work for sure, I've tried brewing all sorts and cant get anything to work'

Hitokai nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'as far as we know, it works. But report what you think should work after you've brewed the herb and we can look'

Hitokai nods solemnly.

Hitokai thanks LadyAce heartily.

Hitokai thanks Kaige heartily.

Why Change Wall of Fog?

Sana says, 'why the change on wall of fog?'

Sana says, 'it hardly worked against dex people anyways, now it just works even less'

Huginn says, 'it worked fine against dex people'

Huginn says, 'there was no check for dex'

Sana says, 'yeah but dex people suceeded thier flees that much more often for the wall to even be an issue with them'

Chocorua says, 'dex people flee'

Huginn says, 'flees succeeding was irrelevant'

Sana says, 'only really worked on fat ugly bald guys like cheap, who cant flee worth a damn in the first place'

Sana mutters under her breath.

Cheap shrugs helplessly.

Huginn says, 'it was cheap, persistent and had no defense'

Huginn says, 'now it does'

Sana says, 'is there gonna be a gust of wind protection? If your character is wearing high heel shoes maybe?'

Sana mutters under her breath.

Huginn says, 'try magic sink'

Sana says, 'bah'

Cheap says, 'I still think dispel magic should check magic sink :P if that hurts creates more to then sorry'

Cheap scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Rufus says, 'dispel magic sink behaves differently when it encounters magic sink than what it does when it doesn't encounter it =) that's intentional.'

Cheap says, 'dispel magic eats magic sink though, its auto, there is no check, personally I think that dispel magic should be checked against it, because its magic cancelling magic'

Cheap says, 'if the dispel magic spell gets past the sink, then all magic on target should be dispelled, not just sink'

Trouble with Spell Tools?

Sana says, 'how bout this, anyone else report trouble with spell tools?'

Huginn says, 'such as ?'

Sana says, 'like for the life of me my doppelganger can't seem to make the ring of fire tool work when I need it to, in a fight but umm'

Sana says, 'as soon as im alone in my hall it works fine'

Sana says, 'using wands in fights too, like the gust wand, dopps just seem to be moody about using items sometimes'

Sana says, 'and other times it works fine so urm'

Cheap says, 'one or the other should be more powerful, a duel of power so to speak instead of auto'

Sana says, 'feel free to say something any time so I can stop talking'

Huginn says, 'no idea about the tools'

Sana says, 'well ill go mess around with it then start spamming you in pink tells if I find something cool'

Sana nods to herself.

Huginn says, 'there shouldn't be any reason for it not to work'

Non-Imm Testers for Areas?

Lust says, 'Kae was mentioning earlier she was having trouble getting hell tested because everyone's so busy. Why not immort a lesser plateau of imms to do nothing but test, held to the same standards of imms but still mortal?'

Cheap says, 'ohh, I asked that once'

Cheap says, 'or maybe twice'

Axis jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Lust!

LadyAce says, 'unfortunately I'd be concerned that might ruin many of the surprises and answers to how the quests work and so forth'

Chocorua says, 'with that we might as well just use morts ...'

LadyAce says, 'testing really involves getting into the guts'

Lust says, 'held to the same standards and the same code of conduct, and rigorous rules'

Lust nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Moira says, 'also involves knowing how stuff works'

LadyAce says, 'why consider them still mortal, though, if they're at the same rule level?'

Lust says, 'i'm not saying 'immort 20 people to test''

Cheyla says, 'testing honestly isn't needed on a regular basis, either'

Cheyla says, 'this time, we just ended up with three large areas in testing at the same time, at different stages'

LadyAce says, 'I've been thinking up some different strategies for area creation that would make testing quicker.'

LadyAce says, 'self-complete smaller modules and so on'

Lust says, 'certainly they could also be used to run through problematic areas and bugtesting'

Cheyla says, 'and i'd feel bad for anyone who's only job was to test to the degree we do'

LadyAce says, 'stuff that could be tested by someone with less time :)'

Kaige says, 'having a lot of other imms through it throughout the whole process helps as well, so everything isn't all piled up in the last month or so'

Axis says, 'bah just bring in the areas and wait for spanish-flea to crash the mud'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

Kaige says to Cheyla, 'Yeah, seems rather unfair to "promote" someone to the level of slave.'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lust says, 'you guys would LOVE to have little slaves :P'

Axis nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'if there's someone we trust and so on enough to join the staff far enough to test, we'd waste them if we only let them test'

Chocorua says to Lust, 'We have Firefly.'

Joel falls to his knees and worships Cheyla's existence.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

SL Expansion?

Cheap says, 'question for rufus, can we start pesturing you now that you have tweaked pd to finish your extension to sl like people pester Kae?'

Axis throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Rufus says, 'no =)'

Cheap laughs.

Cheap says, 'ohh but, you gave us a taste and now we want more :P'

Cheap tugs on Rufus's sleeve imploringly.

Cheap grins evilly.

Huginn says, 'first hit's free?'

Kaige says, 'I'd be careful what you ask for... cause rufus building means new code for builders to play with'

Kaige says, 'and evil will ensue.'

Rufus says, 'the new mob going in PD should keep you busy for a while.'

Kaige grins evilly.

Cheap says, 'ohh, new mob?????'

Axis says, 'which side :P'

Cheap blinks.

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige already has some ideas.

LadyAce giggles.

Rufus says, 'I'll post something about it when it goes in.'

Axis cheers for Rufus - huzzah!

Cheap says, 'ohh, I don't mind new evil code, I have lived with Sandra's and rufus's evil areas long enough'

Rufus says, 'lets just say: bring friends'

Axis throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Cheap says, 'ew, nice'

Axis nods his agreement with Cheap.

Axis still gets beat on in Sandra's areas

Cheap says, 'anytime I need a mud reality check, I go play with hibbins'

Axis says, 'bah Hibbins is a pushover'

Cheap says, 'don't take much, a round or two, she with her firestorms, me with me rings of fire'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'See.. free license to beef her up.'

Sandra says, 'ooh beefing'

Axis nods solemnly.

Cheap says, 'yeah, hibbins needs something, maybe summon greater'

Axis says, 'Any mob I can solo needs beefing'

Lorenzo says to Axis, 'not *any* :P.'

Cheap says, 'yeah, I can solo bunnies, don't mean then need to start doing 100 pt immolates'

Axis says, 'Well any lvl 50 mobs :P'

Cheap says, 'but would be funny if mice in tara exploded if you were lvl 50 and did 50 pts of damage with a little message, stop picking on the newbie fodder :P'

Axis rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Cheap says, 'bad lvl 50 waiting for sl, baaaaaddddd, stop backstabing every living thing at the xroads :P'

Axis says, 'yeah killing Mobs 49 levels lower then you should take away xp'

Cheap laughs.

Cheap says, 'agree'd'

Axis says, 'with the obvious message You need to explore how much experiance does it take to kill a mouse.'

Kaige says, 'depends on the person and the mouse.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Cheap says, 'of course if they exploded, id sit around mice and wait for a pkiller to come by and blind them hoping they were blinded into the mouse'

Axis throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Cheap says, '1 free round of hitting+blind+exploding mouse= lots of laughing'

Removing Posttitles?

Suileach says, 'i'd like to comment on post titles'

Suileach says, 'i had one i liked, the one i have now superceded'

LadyAce says, 'so get the one you have, removed.'

Suileach says, 'now i can't rid myself of it and it is against my rp'

Suileach says, 'nothing else supercedes it'

LadyAce says, 'why can't you?'

LadyAce says, 'get the dragon slayer one removed if you don't want it'

Chocorua says, 'choices in life have consequences'

LadyAce says, 'if you remove one, the one it superceded will appear again'

LadyAce says, 'unless it was removed as well'

Suileach says, 'i tried witch and performer again neither overrode'

Kaige puts in a shameless plug/plea for ideas for post-titles that you have to keep doing things to maintain like the performer one in Arabia.

LadyAce says, 'have the dragon slayer one removed'

Suileach says, 'may i ask how'

LadyAce says, 'it's in the game, you'll hafta explore to find it'

Suileach says, 'ok thank you'

Kaige says, 'You can probably ask some other players for hints too'

LadyAce says, 'yea, it's been found I know'

Suileach says, 'all say it cant be undone'

Suileach says, 'but now i know better'

Suileach says, 'and thats encouraging anyway'

Axis is now thinking up millions of post title ideas and hopes the logs can hold them all when he is done thinking.

LadyAce giggles at Axis.

Kaige giggles at Axis.

Cheap says, 'it can be, but I know not how myself, but of course, I don't kill or do the thing that gets that post title either'

Kaige says to Axis, 'Notice I didnt' promise to implement them all by the 14th?'

LadyAce says, 'it's converted to require you to do a quest, not just kill something now.'

Axis says, 'one down 999,999 more to go'

Account System & Purges

Cheap says, 'so a few q and a's before someone mentioned a log on platform so that you could manage your alts without having to log each one on, did anything ever come of that? it was said it would be discussed'

Chocorua says to Cheap, 'We are still stuck in discussion about implementation.'

Cheap nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'it's been discussed for years now, but nothing on the immediate horizon for it going in any time soon.'

Kaige says, 'we're still trying to get back to the point where we can do the monthly purges again'

Rufus says, 'Unless Ptah comes around and dares me that I can't do it in a weekend =P'

LadyAce giggles.

Cheap laughs.

Kaige says to Rufus, 'Be careful.. I can arrange that...'

LadyAce says, 'yea, we're going to have to start adding that disclaimer in again'

Cheap says, 'ohh, almost have that fixed?'

LadyAce says, '"that's a great idea, but it's hard and we don't have time, unless Rufus goes off and does it some weekend" *repeat as necessary*'

Cheap waits for the day he logs on and everyone is screaming I lost this alt and that alt

Axis throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Kaige says, 'or this clan went poof.'

Cheap says, 'then I get to point and laugh'

Chocorua says, 'yeah i think rufus just fixed my last stumling block on purges'

Kaige says, 'there's several that would be gone if we ran it now'

Axis throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Cheap says, 'yeah, and thank God for that'

Axis says, 'Run it already!'

Rufus says, 'what did I fix?'

Chocorua says, 'still needs to be written and tested .. or rewritten and tested ...'

Cheap nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'yea, it's in our best interest to keep the clans list clean and to purge inactives so names can be reused if they're not being played'

Kaige says to Rufus, 'Bad logins saving the pfile itself.'

Rufus says, 'I didn't fix that.'

Rufus just moved where bad logins were stored.

Kaige says, 'oh? didn't you move them to a new file today?'

Kaige peers at Rufus, looking him up and down.

Kaige giggles.

Chocorua says, 'open is ok as long as its not saved'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Suileach eats a smoked ham.

Rufus says, 'I left most of the code untouched. Sec.'

Chocorua says, 'like i said there is still some testing'

Kaige says, 'anyway... look for lots of changes next week... Ruf's declared war on the bug list again.'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Huginn cheers for Rufus - huzzah!

Axis cheers for Rufus - huzzah!

Kaige says, 'and area changes have also been slow last week and will likely be again this week, as the builders gear up for next week as well.'

Rufus says, 'hrm, yeah, after my changes, all of the character saving and even the loading was unecessary.'

Rufus says to Chocorua, 'Okay, it's fixed now.'

Kaige cheers wildly!

Kaige thanks Rufus heartily.

Chocorua thanks Rufus heartily.

Cheyla claps for Rufus approvingly.

Rufus says, 'the other code was encapsulated enough I didn't need to change anything outside of it, so I didn't bother looking at the rest of the logic =P'

Rufus says to Kaige, 'Invariably fixing the problems on the bug list uncover (or intruduce) about a dozen more. Heh, I wouldn't call it an 'accomplishment' just yet =).'

Death Counter?

Axis says, 'we need an OOC mob that will tell us how many times we have died so far kinda like a what are those people uhmmmm Fortune tellers!'

Kaige says to Axis, 'That's assuming it's tracked some where.'

Kaige says, 'which it isn't'

Axis says, 'start tracking :P'

Axis ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'the last time people were asking about it, I did a buncha greps from the command line'

Kaige says, 'honestly, I can think of much better uses for harddrive and memory space'

Plea for Better Bug Reports

Rufus says, 'i have a question!'

LadyAce points at Rufus.

Rufus says, 'when are players going to submit more verbose and detailed descriptions of bugs? It would *really* be helpful.'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Rufus.

Huginn laughs at Rufus.

Sandra says, 'yea, that'd rock'

Sandra says, '"This is broken!"'

Sandra whines.

Chocorua says, 'i've tried explaining that'

Kaige says, 'this sucks! fix it.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Kaige says, 'me too.. it's even still up on the welcome board!'

Cheyla nods her agreement with Kaige.

Cheyla says to Kaige, 'Lucky post #7.'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Suileach says, 'on bugs: brand x mud i used to play assigned a number to the bug reported, and status was posted on bug list accessible by reporting playing. more info could be put there?'

LadyAce says, 'maybe we need a "bug report of the week" spotlight :P a really-well phrased one to hold up there as an example'

Kaige yells, 'fix my dishwasher! I've been asking everyone on this street corner all day! Someone should be able to!'

Sandra goes EEK! at Kaige in distress - isn't Kaige an awful person for teasing?

Kaige says, 'oh wait.. that's string requests.'

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Plans for Dual Wield?

Virtue says, 'I kinda wanted to ask if you have plans of implementing a dual wield'

Virtue says, 'I want my ninja ;)'

LadyAce says, 'Something like that would work decently as a secondary attack weapon'

LadyAce says, 'not for like, dual katanas or something'

Virtue says, 'I just mean like dual backstab etc'

LadyAce says, 'but dagger and sword is decent with secondary attack weapons'

LadyAce says, 'oh, well, that sounds a leeeetle dangerous to balance :)'

Cheap says, 'dual wield would be super cool'

Virtue nods her agreement with Cheap.

Virtue says, 'or like double slash maybe, as a skill lol'

Virtue says, 'like more powerful than kick, but no status ailments'

Cheap says, 'something I saw on another mud with dual wield was you lost your shield and held item'

Virtue nods her agreement with Cheap.

LadyAce says, 'I think it sounds like it could be exciting but tricky to deal with'

Virtue says, 'I'm sure, but if there's no challenge, then what's the point right? ;)'

LadyAce says, 'well, one does need to choose one's challenges'

Virtue says, 'If I teach myself C, can I code it?'

LadyAce says, 'it takes a while to get good at C, I think. But you can check our application guidelines on the web'

LadyAce says, 'www.legendmud.org/Reference/documents.html'

Virtue says, 'Oh I can guarantee I'd never be able to be an imm...'

Virtue says, 'I'm learning some programming languages in college atm tho'

Virtue says, 'I'm sure if I learn one, another owuldn't be hard to catch on to it'

Kaige nods her agreement with Virtue.

Rufus says, 'I started learning C by working on legend. It took me a week to completely break all the skills in one form or another. About 6 months after that I was breaking larger things. Another year or so and I was actually productive'

Virtue nods her agreement with Rufus.

Sandra's still breaking skills.

Rufus says, 'then I had to go back and learn how to do everything the right way. That's taken me almost 6 years =P'

Kaige says, 'I learned C by learning to code for the mud... I came from knowing basic and pascal. once you have logic on your side and are used to the process, then learning the syntax of a language is pretty easy'

Kaige nods her agreement with Rufus.

Chocorua says to Rufus, '... i think yer being hard on yerself .. i think in 6 months you were already making me cringe with how little i knew.'

Virtue nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo chuckles politely at Rufus's feeble witticism.

Kaige won't claim to know the right way and often resorts to brute force programming methods.

Kaige hangs her head.

Huginn jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Kaige!

Rufus says, 'nah, some of that code's still in here, and it's REALLY REALLY UGLY'

LadyAce giggles.

Virtue laughs at Rufus.

Rufus nods his agreement with Kaige.

Rufus grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

Rufus says, 'I do.'

Virtue says, 'Well it's all patchwork anyway right, I think you did pretty good to bring it all together'

Virtue says, 'everyone who worked on it'

LadyAce giggles at Rufus.

Virtue says, 'A few rough changes, but that's got nothign to do with coding, that's just choices.'

Admin, Conferences, Atmosphere

Axis says, 'if Chocoru hates everyone why doesn't he outwardly hate me'

Axis panics, and attempts to flee.

Axis fears the glue.

Chocorua says to Axis, 'I don't hate very many people at all.'

Axis nods his agreement with Chocorua.

Chocorua says to Axis, 'Hate takes to much energy.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Chocorua.

Axis says, 'I know that you know that so how come your always the center of spammy imm/mort chats'

Cheap says, 'whats it rufus said once, I don't hate anyone, hate implies I care and I don't?'

Chocorua says to Axis, 'I don't quite follow.'

Kaige says, 'I think some people confuse "they hate me" with "I keep getting myself in trouble"'

Kaige says, 'they're not the same thing.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Cheap says, 'lets not have this convo tonight please'

Axis says, 'I think in the past week I've had to turn chat off cause the word Chocorua was in about 30 sentences/min'

Axis licks Cheap.

Cheap says, 'lets live and let live eh'

Chocorua says, 'i haven't seen my name pop up that much in chat this week'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think this really sounds like a productive conversation ....do you have a question, or do you just wanna berate Choc?'

Axis says, 'well referencing you'

Chocorua says to Axis, 'Noone wants to listen to this we can talk aout it later.'

Axis says, 'ok so here is the question'

Axis says, 'What are the chances of the next time a convo berating imms comes up in can get its own channel'

Axis says, 'just so I don't have to turn chat off not to hear it.'

Axis is lagged

Chocorua says, 'very good'

Chocorua says, 'request it and an imm will create it if one is on and they agree'

Chocorua says, 'but it will cause more complaints about killing a discussion'

Kaige says, 'we'll get accused of "killing the conversation" but.. what he said.'

Axis says, 'hehe'

Cheap says, 'you know, I can't explain why it kills the convo, but it does, weird thing really'

Axis says, 'cause people are prolly afraid people without a clue won't turn the channel on'

Kaige says, 'yeah, a smaller potential audience is definitely a discouragement to some'

Axis tries to follow the rules.......

Kaige smiles at Axis.

Axis also knows there are consequances if he doesn't not a hard concept

More on Posttitles

Adamar says, 'is there a way to get rid of post titles w/o getting a new one'

Suileach throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Axis says to Adamar, 'too late.'

Adamar says, 'i wasn't here'

LadyAce says, 'yes'

Adamar says, 'second question is easier'

Kaige says, 'I think we have a quest in for all them except the ones where they "wear off" over time if you don't maintain that reputation'

Adamar says, 'for all post titles? ok thanks'

Axis says to Kaige, 'i like the one I recently Ideaed as a wearing off one :P.'

Kaige says, 'if you can't find a way to get rid of a specific one, drop some comments onto the idea channel of where you're having trouble finding what you should be doing.'

Expies Final Ballots?

Adamar says, 'when is the actual expie voting?'

Cheyla says, 'ballot will be out the end of this week'

Adamar nods solemnly.

Adamar says, 'ok thanks, that's all'

Chocorua says, 'we spent half of today bickering about the fine points of it'

Chocorua says, 'ballot that is'

Adamar nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'polishing! polishing! not bickering!'

Adamar says, 'well, it is mostly the same people who win every year anyways'

Chocorua says to LadyAce, 'PR is your department spin it how ya want :).'

Axis wonder if he is on the ballot anywhere

LadyAce says, 'without your vote, there's not a chance for it to be different year to year :)'

Kaige says, 'mostly it's the same people who get nominated! and we're not to blame for that!'

LadyAce says, 'and I was pleased to see that a number of categories don't have last year's winner eligible'

Cheyla says, 'and it's usually the same people sending in nominations'

Axis will have a heart attack if he is on the ballot.

LadyAce says, 'it's good to have a cycle of folks'

Kaige nods her agreement with Cheyla.

LadyAce says, 'I think Adamar might've had another question'

LadyAce raises her eyebrow at Adamar.

Adamar says, 'that was 2'

LadyAce says, 'oh ok'

Adamar says, 'postitle and expie'

Rufus' Commandments & Wrap Up

Axis says, 'Rufus' Twelve (or was it thirteen) commandments should be posted somewhere in the wild boar'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Axis's head.

Kaige chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'I'm for that!'

Kaige sends a gnome out to cross-stitch it and hang it up on the wall.

Axis cheers wildly!

Axis is on fire tonight.

Axis says, 'well I hear XP calling my name so Im gonna run and get it'

Axis gets large amounts of experience points from a belt-pouch.

Cheyla waves happily.

Adamar says, 'i guess this is done'

Adamar bows deeply.

Chocorua waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'lookin like it'

LadyAce says, 'thanks for coming, all'

Suileach says, 'thank you, i have something to remove'

Adamar says, 'unless anybody wants to whisper some hints about how to remove a postitle'

Suileach looks for warts

Kaige waves happily.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Adamar's head.

Kaige chuckles politely.

Adamar sighs loudly.

Kaige says to Adamar, 'Ask around? mobs and players?'

Adamar says, 'i guess the hard way it is'

Sandra waves happily.

Adamar waves happily.

Kaige wishes Adamar good luck!

Kaige waves happily.

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