July 31st, 2003

Can You Stack Limn Spells?

Spanish-Flea says, 'just a question because I cant test limn like Sandra said I could'

Spanish-Flea bonks Sandra on the head!

Spanish-Flea says, 'ok then my question is simply how does limn stack'

LadyAce says, 'is that all you wanted to ask?'

Spanish-Flea says, 'I cant test it in the mud'

Spanish-Flea says, 'is it +3 hit, then +2 hit then +1 hit or just +3 hit +3 hit +3 hit'

Kaige says, 'does it say "nothing happens" when you cast it a second time?'

Spanish-Flea says, 'look can we please get by innuendoes about subtleties I'm supposed to notice linguistically so I can get a straightforward answer?'

Kaige says to Spanish-Flea, 'I'm trying to figure out if it stacks at all without having to crawl through the code and take even LONGER to answer your questions'

Tim pokes Spanish-Flea in the eye!

Spanish-Flea says, 'well I wouldnt mind so much but It just seems to be a recurring theme with imms'

Kaige says, 'but I believe that there's only one check to see if they're affected by it where it's used in the fight... so I don't think it stacks multiple "affects" that way.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'not to rag on you personally but isnt there a quick way to get this sort of info rather than use the equivalent line to 'skilltree steal!' on us (which is 'experiment with it')???'

LadyAce says, 'there's not really a quick way for us to figure out a lot of the internals of the code'

LadyAce says, 'it's too big and complex and none of us know all of it, except perhaps some folks who aren't here'

Kaige says, 'then perhaps you should be phrasing your questions more straight forwardly? Cause we do NOT generally give out formulas or exactly what affects do, other than what's in the helpfiles.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'ok I can respect that'

Kaige says, 'so yeah.. the general answer is "play with it and see what you think... like everyone else does."'

Spanish-Flea says, 'then I'll just end my semi-complaint with the note that no we morts cant experiment with everything and some imms who think they're always right are fallible :)'

Spanish-Flea points at Sandra.

Kasdeja blinks at Spanish-Flea.

Sandra says, 'I still say you can experiment with it'

Kaige says, 'we're all human.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Spanish-Flea says, 'sandra's pure evil'

Spanish-Flea says, 'like in darkness falls, but not as cheesy'

Sandra says, 'yea, but that's besides the point'

Spanish-Flea says, 'agh I'm sorry I ask such stupid questions, I'm done :('

Kaige says, 'it's not so much that you ask stupid questions.. but they don't often make it very easy to answer them.'

LadyAce says, 'they're not stupid questions, but we can't always satisfy what you're asking.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Why So Many Crashes Lately?

Blane says, 'first i would like to know how come so many crashes lately and what happened this afternoon???'

Kaige says, 'it got hung in an infinitely loop this afternoon until I went in and manually killed the process.'

Blane says, 'umm, dont know what your talkin bout, can ya say it in stupid terms???'

Kaige says, 'And I know Saturday's multiple crashes were cause by a single line in a helpfile being way too long for the mud to digest... fixed that already though'

Sandra says to Blane, 'it got stuck'

Sandra giggles.

Blane says, 'thanks'

Blane smiles at Kaige.

Kaige says, 'it got stuck going through one little thing over and over and over and over again.. so I had to log in to the machine and kill it'

LadyAce says, 'Like when your computer freezes and you can't do anything, you just have to reboot?'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Blane smiles happily.

LadyAce smiles at Blane.

Blane says, 'ahhhh that i understand'

Blane smiles at LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'but we've been squishing the crashing bugs as we find them.. and we've been making some progress lately... but fixing one memory bug usually exposes like 3 more'

Kaige sighs loudly.

Kaige says, 'and they often take longer to track down'

Writing LT Stories?

Jasra says, 'okay can you write more than 1 story for LT?'

Kaige says to Jasra, 'I usually try to limit it to one story per char per week'

LadyAce says, 'on the other hand, nothing wrong with having something in for consecutive weeks?'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Blane says, 'story?? LT??'

LadyAce says, 'like this week and next week, and so forth?'

Kaige says, 'definitely not'

Kaige says, 'the Legendary Times... our weekly e-newsletter'

Sandra says to Blane, 'help lt'

Blane says, 'ahhhh the paper'

Kasdeja giggles at Blane.

Jasra says, 'but if you were to write two ... would you get 2 tokens?'

Kaige says, 'as they were published yes... for RP/PK pieces... editorial pieces don't get them, and neither do clan recruiting type things'

Jasra says, 'huh?'

Tim says, 'you only get tokens for stories'

Kaige says, 'you would get a token for each rp/pk story as it was published.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Tim.

Tim says, 'not for news'

LadyAce says, 'It seems like the primary goal is sharing with the community, not the reward.'

Kaige tried to cram too much info in one thought.

Tim says, 'and not for commentary'

Sonny nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Jasra says, 'yeah i know but if you write two stories...do you get two tokens or 1 token?'

Sonny says, 'seems to me you should write for the love of writing not for tokens :)'

Kasdeja comforts Kaige.

Spanish-Flea says, 'we get tokens for stories!'

Spanish-Flea says, 'sweet!'

Tim says, 'apparently'

Kaige says, 'you get 1 token for each story as it's published. It's unlikely that I will publish two stories about the same character (at least written by the same player) in the same week'

Kasdeja bonks Spanish-Flea on the head!

Spanish-Flea says, 'if I can ramble in q and a this long, think of the LT!'

Spanish-Flea throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Blane says, 'what are the stories about???'

Tim says, 'is there a helpfile for what qualifies to be published?'

Kasdeja says, 'You get to write a story and everyone reads it, that's the sweet part =P'

Jasra says, 'okay thank you'

LadyAce says, 'All of them are archived on the web.'

Tim blinks.

LadyAce says, 'you should investigate your market before you start work, and think about your audience too.'

Kaige says to Blane, 'they can be about RP/PK that happened in the mud, or provide background info on your characters (happenings offstage, so to speak)'

Blane says, 'do they have to be about a specific thing???'

Spanish-Flea says, 'wow ladyace giving us tips for skimping the system for free rewards'

Spanish-Flea cheers wildly!

Blane says, 'thanks kewl, background yeah'

Tim says, 'will anything get put in the LT or are there specific criteria (word limit, coherent spelling, etc)'

Kaige says to Blane, 'your character as it related to Legendmud is pretty much the only criteria for RP stories'

Kaige says, 'help LT has a lot of that kind of info'

LadyAce says to Spanish-Flea, 'I don't think that's skimping :P throwing any old thing out there, that'd be skimping. Doing research and thinking about it in advance, that's work :P'

Spanish-Flea says to LadyAce, 'to me its the same thing, hell Tim made his way through school on being able to fake research well'

Spanish-Flea pats Tim on the head.

Kaige says, 'and coherent spelling is a VERY good thing... there's a spellchecker built into the submission page on the web...'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Tim's head.

Spanish-Flea says, 'lazy hobo'

Tim shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'if you spellcheck it, means less work for me.'

Blane says, 'whats the address please???'

Tim says, 'www.legendmud.org'

Blane says, 'thanks'

Kaige says to Blane, 'have you been introduced to the websites command?'

Why Can I See Wizinvis Imms?

Sonny says, 'oh mines easy and I guess obvious but uh, Kaige and Sandra are wizinvis and the only reason I can see them is because I'm in the room right'

LadyAce says, 'Yes, they have auras on.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Sonny.

LadyAce says, 'the aura command lets people see imms even when they're invis to the world.'

Sonny says, 'I suspected as much, but I was here, figured I might as well make sure'

Sonny nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige nods her agreement with Sonny.

LadyAce says, 'it's a good question'

Kaige says, 'that's what that (Aura) tag means'

Sonny nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce smiles at Sonny.

Kaige says, 'it helps me focus on the people talking in the room and not get distracted by tells out of the blue'

New Full-Stat Bows?

Spanish-Flea says, 'are there any plans to make more full stat bows in the future?'

Sandra says, 'not really. Unless there's a new area that calls for 'em'

What's With the Hunt Lag?

Blane says, 'whats with the hunt lag'

Sandra says, 'it was in response to a couple player complaints about autohunt speed.'

Kaige says, 'basically, the concern was brought up that people who have really fast connections can't be lost by other people they're hunting'

Blane says, 'for pk'

Kasdeja says, 'I thought it was just another rule to flush out the dex PKers on the mud'

Blane says, 'whys everything gotta go for pk'

Sandra says, 'they had actually suggested a lag throughout hunt. but we settled on the initial hunt lag'

Kaige says, 'well yeah.. mobs over all don't tend to move much'

Sonny thanks Sandra heartily.

Blane says, 'some like me dont pk'

Sonny says, 'thank god'

Sandra says, 'well, if you're mobkilling, hunt doesn't really affect you'

Jasra giggles.

Blane says, 'helps me learn my way around'

Sandra says, 'yea, but you aren't chasing them. You'll still get there ;)'

LadyAce says, 'does it give a lag to mobs hunting?'

Sandra says, 'it should'

LadyAce hasn't looked.

Blane says, 'but if i wanted to get from agrabah to tara quick for something say eq in the box anounced over auction i'd be well scr##'

LadyAce says, '_hunt or just hunt?'

Kaige says, 'what'd be better would be if we could drop some messages saying you're checking around looking for the trail in various ways.'

Sandra says, 'well, I would say that you should learn the route instead of depending on hunt'

Sandra says, 'but I think a 2 pulse increase in lag won't hurt you'

Sonny nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sonny says, 'you're gonna be slow already if you need hunt to get from arabia to tara'

Blane says, 'well thats a good idea though, makin it more rpish'

Spanish-Flea says, 'whatd be wicked is if hunt either hunted the last person with that keyword that entered the room or the nearest person with that keyword and not going by the same list as tells'

Sandra says to Kaige, 'I thought we were gonna do that. Will have to ask Huginn'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'sounds good to me'

Kaige says, '"closest" is too expensive to calculate'

Sandra says to Spanish-Flea, 'in the future, hunt will only work when the person you're hunting has pasted through the room you're in'

Kaige says, 'and the tracking it by rooms needs something with a lot of time to throw at it'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Spanish-Flea says, 'that raises some new problems'

Spanish-Flea says, 'mainly in trail freshness'

Kaige says, 'yeah.. which is why i said someone with a lot of time to put to coding it'

Kasdeja says, 'Only through the room they've passed through?'

Kaige nods her agreement with Kasdeja.

LadyAce says, 'it's definitely a future sort of thing, I wouldn't get really worried about it right now.'

Blane says, 'no more hunting marauder'

Sandra says, 'yea, it's a long way off'

Kasdeja says, 'Then, how exactly will you ever find a mod that always sits in the same room somewhere'

Kaige says, 'can't find footprints of someone where they haven't been'

Spanish-Flea says to Blane, 'just make a speedwalking script'

Sandra says to Blane, 'there's one important word of advice I can give you :) Learn the route.'

Kaige says, 'same way as people who don't have hunt?'

Kasdeja says, 'Who doesn't have hunt! @_@'

Kasdeja giggles.

Blane says, 'have actually, but when i just started i didnt know very well and hunt helped me'

Jasra says, 'i dont'

Sandra says, 'I have a few chars that don't. Hehe'

Kaige says, 'seriously folks.. a pencil and a piece of paper are your friends'

Kasdeja nods her agreement with Blane.

Spanish-Flea says, 'nobody, a few creates'

Spanish-Flea says, 'retribution is the only char I can think of with no hunt...him and lilac'

LadyAce says, 'the original ladyace never had hunt. I learned a whole lot of the mud that way.'

Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Spanish-Flea says, 'you die a lot more that way'

Sandra says, 'she did'

Sandra giggles.

Why Does Some EQ Zap Me?

Jasra says, 'um why does some EQ zap me and i cant put it on?'

LadyAce says, 'read help alignment'

Sandra says, 'some eq has alignment restrictions'

LadyAce smiles at Jasra.

Blane says, 'evil align'

Kaige says, 'it's restricted based on character alignment'

Jasra says, 'okay so neutral doesnt go as good?'

Sandra says, 'nah neutral is neutral'

Jasra says, 'and im still zapped'

Jasra snaps her fingers. ATTITUDE!

Jasra wears The Jewel of Judgement around her neck.

Jasra almost fumbles The Jewel of Judgement as it zaps her.

Sonny says to Jasra, 'its variable some things are evil only some things are good only some things are anti-good and anti-evil'

Kaige says, 'depends on the gear... maybe get a mage with aura sight to cast on you or help you'

Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with Kaige.

Spirit Requirements for Fighters

Sonny says, 'whats the thinking behind the new spirit req's added to the fighting skills, were fighters getting... too powerful?'

Spanish-Flea laughs.

Kaige says, 'no.. but the -perc freaks like Sandra's chars were'

Sonny nods his agreement with Kaige.

Sandra says, 'we've always wanted each stat to matter'

Sandra kinda helped that along.

Sandra stares off into space.

Sonny says, 'seems to me that fighters seem to be fairing better in PK and such'

Sandra nods her agreement with Sonny.

Spanish-Flea says, 'uhhh...'

Sonny says, 'either way, you guys have managed to even things out'

Sandra says, 'yea the new skills helped them alot'

Sonny says, 'at least somewhat'

Spanish-Flea says, 'you cant pk without healing now you'll get whalloped by an experienced healer'

Sonny says, 'havent done enough experimenting yet'

Sandra says, 'I pk without healing =P'

Sonny pk's and dies rather convincingly without healing.

Spanish-Flea says, 'hence this character could mop the floor with you multiple times over'

Sandra ruffles Spanish-Flea's hair playfully.

Sonny says, 'I guess that why I should keep you locked in a room while I go about the dirty business?'

Sonny says, 'either way uh, thats all'

Sonny says, 'congrats on making fighters not so bad'

LadyAce chuckles politely.

Sandra thanks Sonny heartily.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'you are so kind'

Kaige smiles at Sonny.

Sonny says, 'I PK'd with a fighter for years'

Sonny says, 'felt like a human doormat'

Sandra says, 'I like the iron will warcries personally'

Sonny nods his agreement with Sandra.

Spanish-Flea says to Sandra, 'you like con too much'

Sandra says, 'actually, I've always been dex ;) This is my first con pkiller'

Spanish-Flea says to Sandra, 'and its beginning to show in PK just as a general consensus from everybody I've talked too'

Sandra pats Spanish-Flea on the head.

LadyAce says, 'these things take a while to work their way out there'

Sandra says, 'anyone that knows me knows I've had dex mages in pk for 8 years. So I don't think I favour con =P'

Sonny says, 'although I must say the half-mage is rather less then as good as he used to be'

LadyAce says, 'but maybe it helps you make sense of why we're so stubborn sometimes with the wait and see ...'

Spanish-Flea says, 'silly dex mages with high hp, you get bashed now'

Sonny nods solemnly.

Sonny says, 'I tend to get bashed or stunned into oblivion'

New Skills/Spells/Items?

Blane says, 'simple yes or no question really, planning on introducing any new skills, spells, eq and such???'

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says, 'no new skills or spells planned'

Sandra says, 'eq will come with new areas'

Kaige says, 'eq: we've still got a month left of summer odyssey.. so who knows where new stuff might pop up in industrial'

LadyAce says, 'there should be some new things in Klein, which is testing at present.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'well technically you are implementing dress wounds'

LadyAce says to Blane, 'skilltree is a general term for a long-term set of code changes that are gradually working their way into the mud.'

Update the Welcome Board?

Spanish-Flea says, 'just generally could you update the welcome board some time?'

Blane says, 'that would be nice'

Spanish-Flea says, 'A few weeks ago I inquired about guards for PK after looking at the board'

Spanish-Flea says, 'there are a ton of things in there I doubt we'll ever see'

Spanish-Flea says, 'pets for example'

Spanish-Flea says, 'erm rather reference to pets'

LadyAce says, 'I removed the reference to it from welcome, unless there was another that I didn't see.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'probably'

LadyAce says, 'which other things do you think are out of date?'

Sandra says, 'well, Rufus did try to code pets. Then got a major headache at the amount of difficulty. So it was attempted!'

Spanish-Flea says, 'I read them when I read it'

Spanish-Flea says, 'there's a lot'

Spanish-Flea says, 'should I just typo it?'

LadyAce says, 'that'd work'

LadyAce says, 'we'd see it, for sure.'

Spanish-Flea nods solemnly.

Why Two Different PK Systems?

Sonny says, 'Whats the logic now behind the two seperate worlds of PKill'

Sandra says, 'some want pke, some want to pk part time'

Sonny says, 'yes... then what are the PKALL people about'

Sonny says, 'seems to me that uh, I dunno'

Kaige says, 'they're pkok people who don't care who attacks them, but want to be able to step back from it sometimes'

Sandra says, 'they want to pk constantly'

Sonny says, 'its confuzzling'

Sandra giggles.

Sandra says, 'it is. But it gives everyone their way of pkilling'

Sonny says, 'too many options and I suffer brain trauma'

Sonny says, 'ok I guess thats all'

Ironwill and Multiple Fighting Stats?

Aythald says, 'if i have 1 stat in iron will, 1 in courage and 1 in valor'

Aythald says, 'do i get benifits of 1 courage 1 valor and 1 iron?'

Aythald says, 'or just 1 iron'

Sandra says, '1 courage, 1 valor, one iron will'

Sandra says, 'lemme give a better example'

Kaige says, 'you'd get each benefit where it was appropriate I think.'

Sandra says, 'say you have 100 str, 90 con, 80dex'

Sandra says, 'str will get all 3'

Sandra says, 'con will get 2'

Sandra says, 'dex will get 1'

Aythald says, 'i thought it was 90 for iron?'

Kaige shakes her head.

Aythald says, '95?'

Aythald says, 'or 100?'

Kaige says, 'we can't say exactly... you'll have to experiment'

Sandra says, 'I'm just using numbers as best I can without giving the reqs :)'

Sandra says, 'but you see my point?'

Aythald says, 'some said only one works at a time, you got stats for iron in one stat and others in courage you only get 1 stat bonused'

Aythald shrugs helplessly.

Sandra shakes her head.

Sandra says, 'they'll all work'

LadyAce says, 'think of it like a tally sheet, with the skills as the columns and the stats as the rows. Put check marks where you qualify, and add the bonuses.'

Aythald nods solemnly.

Picking Up Quests Again

Spanish-Flea says, 'I just gotta gripe about some quest continuity'

Spanish-Flea says, 'with some quests if you rent, ask the wrong question at the wrong time, or even leave the room you get punished'

LadyAce says, 'sounds like a cool topic :)'

Sandra says, 'bug those. Though some builders may do that intentionally'

Spanish-Flea says, 'do builders like making mortals suffer as much as you?'

Sandra says, 'if i teach them well ;)'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes if a mob is in the middle of telling you something, walking away will break things'

Spanish-Flea says, 'well ok that answers my question'

Kaige says, 'generally if a mob asks you a yes/no question they expect an answer right away and will forget if you walk away and come back'

New Area Progress?

Temujin says, 'how many new areas is being worked on, and how soon (in years) will we be able to see them'

Sandra says, 'hm'

Sandra says, '3 new areas, 2 updates'

Kaige says, 'bunches and when they're done.'

Temujin nods solemnly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Temujin says, 'hmm, will i be able to see it in within my life time?'

Sandra says, 'that depends on how short you'd like me to make your life ;)'

Temujin says, 'please end it now!'

Sandra says, 'You should see 2 new areas in the coming year, and 2 updates soonish'

Temujin says, 'so we will see new areas in the year 2004 then'

Temujin nods his agreement with Spanish-Flea.

Sandra says, 'yea'

Temujin says, 'alright then, think i will go to sleep til then'

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'I imagine we'll see them before then!'

Spanish-Flea says, 'dont say that'

LadyAce says, 'I certainly hope it doesn't take *that* long to test klein :)'

Spanish-Flea says, 'anything that can go wrong--will'

Temujin says, 'say what?'

LadyAce beams at Rictor delightedly.

Sandra says, 'well klein isn't new tho. I was just talking new ones'

Rictor bounces onto LadyAce's lap.

Sandra says, 'the updates I hope will be done by fall'

Sandra peers around intently.

LadyAce says, 'ah. Well, with all the stuff I piled in there, it oughta be counted for new.'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Sandra.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'the file is 5x the size :P'

Rictor says, 'for Klein?'

Sandra nods her agreement with Rictor.

Rictor says, 'is it still all in German?'

Spanish-Flea growls.

LadyAce says, 'I hope that I've kept enough of the original flavor and made enough of an update that everyone will hate me equally.'

Sandra giggles.

Rictor nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rictor says, 'as long as you please nobody'

Spanish-Flea says, 'as long as we can still gauche the more poewrful mobs'

Sandra says, 'she's a prize pupil!'

LadyAce says, 'A little foreign language never hurt anyone, but I hope it is a little more useful'

Bond says, 'i dont read naything in klien, i just kill'

Rictor nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Bond says, 'so language dont mean anything to me'

LadyAce says, 'a bit more consistent and flavor-boosting but not confusing...'

LadyAce says, 'if I have any luck'

Rictor says to Bond, 'I spent some newbie time there when I was young'

Rictor says, 'I had some issues'

Bond says, 'ya same here, but i learnt from other people'

Spanish-Flea says, 'by consistent with medieval germany, does this mean that we have all the fun of religious wars?'

Bond says, 'the names scared me'

Kaige says, 'most of the items there you can easily tell what they are by looking at them.'

LadyAce says, 'well, I hope they're less scary but still have that sense of "hum...I'm not in Kansas anymore"'

Bond chuckles politely.

Bond nods solemnly.

Spanish-Flea says, 'its say because I know how to spell most of the items from selling'

Spanish-Flea says, 'but only know a few'

Rictor nods his agreement with Kaige.

Spanish-Flea says, 'stulpenhandschuhe'

Bond says, 'some names or like books...so long'

Rictor says, 'I always did it the hard way and spelled it out compeltely'

Spanish-Flea says, 'beinschienein'

Bond says, 'like that one'

LadyAce says, 'there are some increased elements of religious war in there, not the only thing going on at the time tho'

LadyAce says, 'gloves :P'

Spanish-Flea says, 'gauntlets is the better keyword I found :P'

Kaige says, 'handshoe gauntlets'

Rictor says, 'the religious wars as in Catholic/Protestant or like Crusade stuff'

Kaige nods her agreement with Spanish-Flea.

Spanish-Flea says, 'not crusades, too late for that'

Spanish-Flea says, 'definately wanna see some france vs Charles wars though :P'

LadyAce says, 'yea, I know what you mean. I have a bit of anti-cathar sentiment in there that I want to beef up, a bit of fear of the woods and witches'

LadyAce says, 'plus Teutonic Knights. But not a major element'

Spanish-Flea says, 'euis regio cuis religio?'

LadyAce says, 'it's got a tournament and lots of farmland/pastoral stuff.'

LadyAce says, 'more shopkeepers selling more stuff, apprentices, all that kind of thing. A bigger castle area, more guards running around.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'is the pastoral stuff burning? :D'

LadyAce says, 'lots of quests, etc. etc.'

Spanish-Flea drools contentedly.

LadyAce says, 'anyway, I hope it's fun :)'

Update for Lima?

Rictor says, 'is anyone ever gonna revamp lima?'

Sandra says, 'Kaige did'

Spanish-Flea says, 'lima's cool'

LadyAce says, 'Kaige has done some wonders with Lima'

Sandra says, 'it's got a marketplace and stuff'

Rictor says, 'oh....'

LadyAce says, 'you should check it out :)'

Rictor says, 'yeah I'll just shutup then'

Kaige says, 'Greyscot did the marketplace'

Bond says, 'i havnt bene in lima for a bit. i still hate that guy that throws me out of his room'

Sandra says, 'oh yea.'

Sandra giggles.

Bond grumbles.

Rictor says, 'I guess I'll wander down to Lima then'

LadyAce says, 'and Lima has some neato stuff added to it balance wise lately too'

Bond says, 'i dont notice anything changed...and i havent played here in 8 months *laff* might just me be though'

Kaige says, 'One of the things I like to do is update areas in subtle ways... add new things in for those who like to explore and explore an area thoroughly'

Kaige says, 'so on the face of things.. it may not LOOK that different at first glance.. but there should be a lot more going on under the surface'

Bond nods solemnly.

Rictor says, 'yeah I only go their for gameplay reasons'

Rictor says, 'and the front of it looks the same'

Rictor says, 'I guess you'd have to wander in there'

Bond says, 'oh it that dt still there...oh man i remmeber hitting that like 4 times in a row...not kewl at al'

Kaige says, 'but there's been some new quests and such added there too'

Bond nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Bond, 'you likely mean the one that's not a DT, but is avoidable?'

Bond nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige nods solemnly.

Bond says, 'at first i freaked out till i went back for string and found my eq..than i went back in it'

Strings and DTs?

Rictor says, 'strings pop out of DT's now?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Rictor.

Rictor laughs.

Rictor says, 'you guys are goin to easy on us'

Sandra nods her agreement with Rictor.

Rictor nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Sandra says, 'we got whiny players ;)'

Bond chuckles politely.

Spanish-Flea says, 'we still lose coupons'

Spanish-Flea says, 'which is bad enough'

Rictor says, 'I DT'd morphs old colorful dark black trenchcoat'

Rictor says, 'I mean come on'

Sandra says, 'I always dtd my blinding wormies'

Rictor says, 'DT's are supposed to be the worst levels of hell'

Bond says, 'wth or ravens doing in here bah'

Rictor says, 'thats why they're there'

Rictor says, 'how will we know evil if we can't look it in the face'

LadyAce says, 'they still do eat your eq :P'

Spanish-Flea says, 'because kae's making the face'

Rictor nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'just the string on a storage item is saved. It's not like you can just get that coupon back with some xp or by killing a mob with a pal.'

Rictor says, 'I always thought of DT's as natures way of clearing out old EQ'

Bond says, 'i alway sthought a dt a place to sit a newbie beside when he gets you angry'

LadyAce says, 'aw, that's not nice.'

Bond says, 'i had a good reason to. he wasnt being very nice'

Spanish-Flea says, 'not beside a DT it does no good to anybody under levle 25'

Rictor says, 'or to have someone autohunt you into'

Why a Summoning Lag?

Bond says, 'i just got back playing after like 8 months, was wonder why you put the summoning lag on?'

Bond says, 'cause i find it a pain..and i never got a straight asnwer from players'

Sandra says, 'to help tone down create mages. Pure and simple'

Bond says, 'is it only for creates? or is it for causes also'

Sandra says, 'it's only on the greater summoning spell'

LadyAce says, 'we were ending up with a wimpy create mage slaying massive mobs by treating their creations like cannon fodder'

Bond says, 'because cant they just summon dead just the same as summoning an angel if they find a body'

Bond says, 'ahh'

LadyAce says, 'the charmies formed a union, and they made demands for better working conditions. We had to give in.'

Sandra giggles.

Bond chuckles politely.

Primal giggles.

Is Lori's Item In-Spec?

Rictor says, 'about Lori's item, someone told me the stats, and according to the rules I thought I understood, they arent legal stats'

Sandra says, 'it's in spec'

Rictor says, 'like its +5 but it also gives you like +25 mana'

Rictor says, 'and -5 mv or sometin'

Sandra says, 'you should try out the item yourself ;) It's in spec'

Spanish-Flea says, 'sandra's in charge of lori :P'

Rictor nods his agreement with Sandra.

Rictor says, 'yeah I'll go kill her right now'

LadyAce giggles.

Sandra giggles.

Sandra comforts Rictor.

Kaige says to Spanish-Flea, 'and technically everything else building-wise.'

Prize Machine Discussion

Alejandro says, 'Well, before strange new prize machines start getting implented and what not, could I express just how bad an idea I think it is?'

LadyAce says, 'well, they're already in :) but I'm happy to hear your feedback.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'nobody likes the prize machine since nobody ever gets a half string, which is the point of the machine'

Spanish-Flea says, 'just like nobody would take a non over a multi if you could only choose one'

Rictor says, 'my question is how does one come across tokens nowadays'

Sandra says, 'sometimes we'll rain 'em. Or you could write something for the LT, or win the bug lotto'

LadyAce says to Alejandro, 'Can you be more specific about what you're bothered by?'

Rictor nods his agreement with Sandra.

Alejandro says, 'Well, the problem I think with the initial machine was that things weren't interesting looking, didn't quite fit them, some people couldn't even give them away, and in a sense, naturally so, as the machine has existed for ages, and a lot of ideas are already used'

Alejandro says, 'So I don't see how having to come up with yet even more ideas solves this'

Alejandro says, 'You'd likely end up repeating old things'

Alejandro says, 'like this recent vorpal squirrel in this second machine'

LadyAce says, 'My sense on it is that by mixing up the formula a bit, we give a chance for ideas that wouldn't have quite fit in before.'

Alejandro says, 'It diminishes the value of the old string, and the present strings are already losing value'

LadyAce says, 'people have been pretty consistently asking that old items or variants on old stuff, be available'

Rictor says, 'I say we remove the prize machine'

Straussy gasps in astonishment.

Rictor says, 'get it outta there'

Alejandro says, 'If there was a great bunch of new ideas that could have been used, why didn't you just put them in the initial machine?'

Spanish-Flea says, 'no! the prize machine is god!'

LadyAce says, 'I think revamping the format has opened the door to a variety of new ideas.'

LadyAce says, 'the inflow of ideas from players had gotten diminished, but it's picked up again very nicely, which is great.'

Alejandro says, 'Well, I personally don't like having old stuff put back in, I mean, if people spent their happy token then or paid some amount to get it, why would it be nice to see it out again?'

LadyAce says, 'The number of items left over from so long ago is very small at this point.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'hey! dont wail on me I just wanna load up on old eq and make a fortune'

Kaige says, 'which to the collector types, makes them all the more valuable.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'but old ideas would be sweet I mean it'll be sad the day we dont have any more old stuff left from DT's'

Alejandro says, 'I love my old strings, I like that they were collectable and that not everyone has them, I'm sure other people have old strings strung on them too that are almost unique now because it's old'

Alejandro says, 'Having stuff all repeated just makes it less unique'

LadyAce says, 'the squirrel example ... well, there was a wind-up toy, and now there's a plastic one. I don't think having a concept once should make it forbidden forever.'

Alejandro says, 'Well, at the same time, this new machine is rather exclusive, I mean, didn't you say some time before that you didn't want a coupon machine so people wouldn't hoard tokens?'

LadyAce says, 'exclusive how?'

Alejandro says, 'With this new machine that has a choice, only people with tokens can get them, and if they're using their own token, they're obviously picking the one they want'

Alejandro says, 'No one will want to trade or sell cos they got what they want'

LadyAce says, 'There are two machines actually right now -- the choice machine, and the non-choice.'

Alejandro says, 'So even if someone who doesn't have a token wants something in there, well they can't have it'

Alejandro says, 'Yes but there's different things in both'

Alejandro says, 'If someone wants something in the new one, or subsequent new machines with choices, they can't because I doubt anyone will sell something they chose because they wanted it'

LadyAce says, 'I think that some folks might decide they like a thing right now, but they get a coupon and decide that they don't want the string.'

LadyAce says, 'but you're right that the items put into the choice machine are less likely to go into circulation than the non-choice.'

LadyAce says, 'on the other hand, that also means people might be happier with the stuff they get to begin with'

LadyAce says, 'after all, they won a token and they want a prize, not just hope for some cash with a prize they don't much like.'

Spanish-Flea says, 'if you want cash why sell a stupid prize item'

Spanish-Flea says, 'the token's more valuable as is'

Alejandro says, 'Yes, right now the token itself is probably a few times more valuable than anything you can get in the machine'

Spanish-Flea says, 'maybe there could be uber-rare token things'

Spanish-Flea says, 'like 1 in 100 things gets an old string or something'

LadyAce says, 'well, the old string use is starting from the time I started putting up polls about the re-usable items'

LadyAce says, 'and that machine will only be around for the month of February.'

LadyAce says, 'so it's like an extension on the life of the item, a greatest hits.'

Alejandro says, 'About those polls, I found them very subjective'

Kaige says, 'it's a shame that the polls are limited to 10 answers... with 10 strings that doesn't leave space for a "none of the above"'

Alejandro says, 'exactly, I would have chosen none of the above'

Spanish-Flea says, 'hey now, Hello Kitty rules all'

Huginn pukes.

Sandra says, 'we should do themes. Like a medieval theme'd set, an ancient one, etc'

Alejandro says, 'By not allowing a negative option, you're automatically assuming that people would actually wanna see any of these strings again'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'yea, that's the 3rd machine when I get to it :)'

Sandra says, 'oo'

Alejandro says, 'And the poll before this, the options for what you expected to get and what not, were all "positive"'

LadyAce says, 'that's true, there is that assumption. I've just gotten so many people telling me they want to see old items or variations on old items.'

Sandra says, 'could do it by area too. That'd be funky neat'

LadyAce says, 'Hm, I dunno, I thought the poll was kinda negative :) I didn't ask people what they like, only what they don't like or want to see different.'

LadyAce says, 'I did try to phrase it in terms of things that could be changed or positive solutions for change'

Alejandro says, 'Well, your options were like, something you can use for your eq set, something for a gift, something you can sell, and so on'

LadyAce says, 'that's because I wanted to put the poll results into action.'

Alejandro says, 'You didn't add in a none of the above, or something I can't do squat with'

LadyAce says, 'That's why I say I trended it towards something I felt I could change.'

LadyAce says, 'If the feedback is "can't do anything with" ... I'm not sure what that means, in practice.'

Alejandro says, 'Well, if you're going to poll, and you want an honest response, shouldn't you include all the possible options?'

Alejandro says, 'Well, technically it means that people are getting strings that no one wants at all, and what that means is you're not targetting the right audience?'

Kaige says, 'I was wondering if I read the "what you expect to get" part of that question wrong.'

Kaige says, 'I mean.. on one hand.. you could expect to get something you couldn't do squat with... on the other... you could expect what it SHOULD be like'

LadyAce says, 'But "targetting the right audience" -- what does that mean? That's where that expectation versus hope thing comes in, I guess, and analyzing the gap between them.'

Dakota says to LadyAce, 'I think it means Alejandro likes to collect useless items by the gross, just to keep and enjoy.'

Dakota snickers softly.

Alejandro says, 'Ah, I kinda read it as, what do you expect to get if you put a token in right now, like, what do you think you'd get'

Kaige says, 'yeah, but I'm not sure all the expectations that were out there were covered.'

LadyAce says, 'that's how I meant it -- what do you figure you'll get, versus what do you hope you'll get.'

Kaige says, 'ok.. so the expectation of getting something worthless and useless that you can't even give away wasn't there.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'I tried to cover the bases I could think of, but the missing options phenomenon is why I suggested boards/mail.'

LadyAce says, 'If someone actually expects to get something thoroughly useless, I would wonder why they didn't just sell the token. Optimism I guess!'

Rictor says to LadyAce, 'they're all chronic gamblers'

LadyAce says, 'but I think that "useless" is in that category of hard to address.'

Kaige says, 'yeah and no.. depends on why they and everyone else thinks it's useless'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Alejandro nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'I mean you might not want to sell/give away tokens if there's a reasonable expectation that something good might come along in the future.'

Kaige says, 'some people find it harder to come by tokens than others'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Alejandro says, 'Will the upcoming new themed machines be selective too?'

LadyAce says, 'My idea on that is to make the current pure-random machine into a 'chance to steer' machine, and make the themed one pure random.'

LadyAce says, 'the idea being that if you're good with the theme, you're reasonably likely to find a good use for the theme item'

LadyAce says, 'but if you take a random go for the gusto chance, you want that arcade feeling'

LadyAce says to Alejandro, 'does that cover your questions and feedback? I know we don't see eye to eye on all of it, but I've tried to explain where I'm coming from.'

LadyAce says to Alejandro, 'I really do appreciate you being honest with your feedback, and I hope you'll assess things as they go along to see what you think -- and how bad it really is.'

LadyAce says to Alejandro, 'I will definitely be re-assessing the changes after they've been in for a while, and will again adjust based on feedback.'

Alejandro says to LadyAce, 'Will the new one be in soon?'

LadyAce says to Alejandro, 'I have 2 machines in right now, and the third will go in when I have time to devote to it. Maybe next week.'

The Imms Went Soft: Stuff to Rip!

Rictor says, 'my theory is you just rip out the token system'

Rictor says, 'and make DT's string eaters again'

Sandra giggles.

Spanish-Flea goes EEK! in distress.

Rictor says, 'everyones gettin soft'

Rictor says, 'gotta toughen ya up'

Alejandro nods solemnly.

Spanish-Flea says, 'i agree'

Rictor says, 'I just would like to see this place toughened up'

Huginn says, 'I'd like to see an equip standardization'

Huginn says, 'no old equip'

Sandra nods her agreement with Huginn.

Spanish-Flea nods his agreement with Huginn.

Dakota grins evilly at Huginn.. wonder what he's thinking...

Rictor says, 'thats a good idea'

Sandra says, 'we should do that'

Huginn says, 'and when something changes in the future, that's what loads'

Rictor says, 'go for it'

Myrella laughs.

Huginn says, 'would probably make pfiles tiny too :-)'

Rictor says, 'I am bristling with old eq'

Kaige says to Huginn, 'just makes changing vnums close to impossible'

Dakota says to Huginn, 'has my vote, so to speak.'

Rictor says, 'but I'd settle for a mud wide switch'

Sandra says, 'lets put that on the list of things to do soon!'

Sandra says, 'after we convince the other imms'

Myrella says, 'why not just delete everyone then? same diff :P'

Rictor says, 'didnt y'all do that with the last set of 'old eq''

Rictor says, 'like the oars'

Dakota shakes his head in disagreement with Myrella.

Sandra says, 'we did with weapons and hp eq'

Rictor says, 'and the wormys'

Rictor nods solemnly.

Rictor says, 'the rings'

Sandra says, 'we were nice about the old hit/dam stuff though'

Rictor says, 'for instance'

Sandra says, 'but it'd be easier to balance things out if we weren't so nice'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Rictor nods his agreement with Sandra.

Rictor says, 'why be nice'

Rictor says, 'I say be mean'

Spanish-Flea says, 'just downgrade all the eq'

Rictor says, 'you're screwed either way'

Sandra says, 'I try to be nice at least once every 6 months =P'

Dakota says to Myrella, 'consider it your chance to fleece somebody who doesn't know the eq is about to be purged'

Sandra giggles at Dakota.

Administrating Pkill?

Rictor says, 'I have a question I guess its somewhat personal and not related to the working of the mud in a physical sense'

LadyAce says, 'ask away.'

Rictor says, 'more of a administrative sense'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Rictor says, 'way back in the day, when you guys ripped PKill, remember that?'

Sandra nods solemnly.

Rictor says, 'now at the time I was having a good time loot junking and Permaing Arsene'

Rictor says, 'why was it removed again?'

Rictor forgot.

Sandra says, 'because people were acting like idiots'

Kaige says, 'didn't you answer your own question?'

Sandra nudges Rictor.

Dakota blinks at Rictor.

Huginn laughs.

LadyAce says, 'too many rude people making a big mess :P'

Dakota says to Rictor, 'is that rhetorical?'

Spanish-Flea says, 'well technically I could see old Pk working again'

Alejandro chuckles politely.

Rictor says, 'dont blame me'

Rictor says, 'not my fault he deserved it'

Spanish-Flea says, 'if some of those pesky xplay rules were removed'

Sandra says, 'I'll tell ya too, if it gets out of hand again, pke goes away forever. Those of us that like pke put alot on the line for it, so behave ;)'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Rictor says, 'now I didnt go running around permaing everyone in sight'

Dakota says to Rictor, 'right, your Honor!'

Rictor peers around intently.

Rictor says, 'no really'

Huginn looks accusingly at Rictor.

Rictor says, 'I always thought PK was self-policing'

Sandra says, 'I had given a warning prior to that temporary removal. That night it was from those attacking him and him that got it pulled'

Rictor nods solemnly.

Rictor says, 'just seemed to me that PK policed itself'

Rictor says, 'eventually, if you deserved it you got it'

Sandra says, 'it does and should to an extent'

Huginn says, 'no not really'

LadyAce says, 'but did it pay back the mud for the drain it was on resources? Not as often as it should have.'

Sandra says, 'situations like that were well beyond the extent'

Huginn says, 'it does correct the largest problems but causes a lot more in the process'

Rictor nods solemnly.

Rictor says, 'yeah I'll stop hasseling you'

Rictor says, 'I just ponder the philosophy of it all sometimes'

Sandra nods her agreement with Rictor.

LadyAce says, 'yea, I understand where you're coming from'

Sandra says, 'I was head admin back then'

Rictor nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says, 'and ya'll gave me huge headaches'

Sandra giggles.

Rictor says, 'dont look at me'

Rictor says, 'I was busy removing the biggest problems'

Rictor says, 'I was an exemplary mud citizen'

Huginn rolls his eyes, exasperated with Rictor.

Rictor smiles happily.

Sandra giggles.

Rictor says, 'I've gotten like two or three warnings in 6 years'

Myrella says, 'excpet for the looting and multing'

Rictor says, 'and most of them are for language'

Myrella winks suggestively at Rictor.

Rictor says to Myrella, 'he deserved it!'

Myrella says, 'I bet he didnt think that though'

Myrella chuckles politely.

Huginn has gotten fewer than that in a longer time

Sandra says, 'boy didn't he.'

Sandra heard about it over, and over, and over, and over

And over...

Myrella comforts Sandra.

Rictor says, 'sorry'

Sandra says, 'and when I shut off pk, I heard it all over again ;)'

MoiraGwyn blinks.

Rictor says to Huginn, 'well not perfect, but pretty good'

Rictor says, 'I pretty much always obeyed the letter of the law'

Huginn says to Rictor, 'that's not the reassurance we'd like from players :-)'

Rictor giggles.

Kaige says, 'anyway.. that about wrap us up for tonight? So we can let LA focus on the trivia game?'

Rictor says, 'we were better then the grendels'

LadyAce says, 'yea, I think we are just vamping :)'

Sandra says, 'you say tomato...'

Posting Changes This Week?

Myrella says, 'no changes this week?'

Myrella says, 'or later posting?'

Sandra says, 'later posting'

Huginn says, 'later posting'

Sandra giggles.

Myrella nods solemnly.

Huginn says to Sandra, 'jynx'

Sandra snaps her fingers. ATTITUDE!

Kaige says, 'I think most of them were internal things again... maybe one or two that'll be noticed by players'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'that sounds right'

Kaige says, 'putting in all the qualifies checks for the iron will skills in qualifies, not just allskills and adding the physical stats to those checks...'

Kaige says, 'lots of better debugging messages for the builders'

Kaige says, 'and fixed a problem with flavored drink_cons'

Kaige says, 'ok the natives are getting restless here,... I guess I better feed them'

LadyAce giggles at Kaige.

Sandra says, 'yea I'm gonna head out too'

Sandra waves happily.

Kaige waves happily.

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