January 9th, 2003

Rules: Warn vs Etiquette?

Fokke-Wulf says, 'oh, on cheyla's welcome board post, aren't some of the warnable offences in ediquette?'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'I got warned as a newbie for quest info on channels, read 'help rules' like choc said, and the part about quest info on channels was actually in etiquette'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'nevermind'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'covered in rule 13 I guess'

Kaige nods her agreement with Fokke-Wulf.

Kaige says, 'basically she's been hearing "Huh? I didn't know that was against the rules" too often recently and wanted to remind people they agree to them every time they log in'

Pure Perc Characters?

Fokke-Wulf says, 'so who wants to hear what I've been thinking of the past few days :) or are we gonna wait another 30 seconds first :D'

Fokke-Wulf blinks.

LadyAce says, 'so, who has questions?'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'not so much questions as lots of spammy suggestions and what ifs'

LadyAce says, 'well, let's hear 'em :)'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'first off, I don't see enough pure perc characters in this game'

Psychosis says, 'perc dex?'

Fokke-Wulf shakes his head.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'pure perc'

LadyAce says, 'that's probly cuz it's not a weapons proficiency'

Bhavitatta says to Fokke-Wulf, 'what is the point in that?'

Psychosis nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'well it could well be with better weapons'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'maybe more really big two handed guns'

Bhavitatta says to Fokke-Wulf, 'not like perc even helps backstab that much anymore'

AlexDeLarge says, 'machineguns?'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'yeah, and if you go for the best backstab, you end up with a q0 weapon'

Bhavitatta says to Fokke-Wulf, 'there is REALLY big guns round.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'but you already knew that too, didn't you'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'not mobile either, I'm talking like an SSS of guns, I see potential for pure perc hitters or surgeons with just perc'

Kae loves her perc character.

Kae scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Psychosis shoots 5 times and hits 4.

Fokke-Wulf nods solemnly.

Psychosis shakes his head.

Psychosis hugs Kae.

Kae giggles.

Psychosis drools contentedly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'guns have snipe, and admitted you can bs with high perc too, but maybe there's a way around it by making gunplay a full proficiency at higher levels of sacrifice'

Ea! says, 'We don't currently consider perc to be a fighting skill that people can survive on with only high perc.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'you can't be perc dex if a gun has the same weight as a SSS'

Bhavitatta nods his agreement with Fokke-Wulf.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'well maybe you should, that's all I'm saying, guns fire in between every round, why not make it a full proficiency'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'not like indus chars are gonna be winning against con causes and creates any time soon :P'

Kae looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae's perc char does tend to win.

Fortebraccio says, 'i bet is in skill tree list though!'

Fortebraccio smiles happily.

Kae says, 'I can shoot faster than they can immolate!'

Kae nods to herself.

Fokke-Wulf nods solemnly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'but assume the gun is two handed'

Fortebraccio snickers at Kae nastily.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'and doesn't give stats'

Ea! says, 'at some point we might do it, but we don't have any plans at the moment.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'you can't attack in between rounds and let's say it has to be held to fire'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'then you've got a good fighter class that can maybe do some martial arts or something in between, if that's ever gonna be implemented'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'well I thought it was a cool idea to just go pure perc as a char and be sustainable as a non-healer'

Bhavitatta says, 'i still think str needs a stunning skill, like uppercut or spinning backfist, of something but that'll go in with skill trees'

Kae says, 'it's a neat idea, but it does smell of the ugly skill t-word with martial arts and whatnot'

Fortebraccio says, 'just remind me...you putted in some change but pulled it off because unbalancing...no way to work around that change you had then...just to make it more balanced?'

Ea! says, 'nothing simple.'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Itto says, 'I've been away a long time and don't recall, but do we have a cripple ability?'

Itto says, 'That way you could cripple someone with a high gun ability'

Fortebraccio says, 'an option of faster shooting rate without weapon though could be something not terribly unbalancing?..or is it?'

LadyAce says, 'not called that -- you mean as in, make it hard for people to move?'

Itto says, 'No, reduce a mob's ability to fight'

Itto says, 'Say, you wing a mob on th arm.'

Itto says, 'Or for high strength, you break his arm'

Fokke-Wulf still laughs at how mobs dodge bullets.

LadyAce says, 'we don't have a structure that supports that right now, no'

Itto nods solemnly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'yeah, another thing, mobs and people in pk can dodge--alright, but dodge a projectile moving in excess of 250 m/s? :P'

LadyAce says, 'at various points we've talked about putting in such a thing, often in the context of positional combat, but it's not an area of focused work right now'

AlexDeLarge says, 'they don't dodge while it's in flight, they dodge where you're aiming at. They are swinging a weapon at you.'

Itto nods solemnly.

AlexDeLarge says, 'which doesn't give you a lot of room to aim'

Kaige says, 'assume poor aim as part of the equation, or failure to "lead" the target'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'no'

Kaige nods her agreement with AlexDeLarge.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'i've had it happen to me in pk and mobmill while the other mob was in another room'

Itto says, 'Is it possible to have a high perc shot not be dodgeable?'

Fokke-Wulf shakes his head.

Fokke-Wulf is 100 perc and had it happen.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'just something wierd with that, all I think, anyway, my other idea for a fighting-type skill involved the ugly t-word I guess, but maybe a vehicle based character would be cool'

Kae says to Fokke-Wulf, 'you can join me in the push Breton to finish the WWII update club ;)'

Fortebraccio giggles.

Vehicles Discussion

Fokke-Wulf says, 'vehicles right now are kind of cumbersome and rare, but it'd be really cool to trans a sub and fight the kraken with it'

AlexDeLarge says, '... What's the ugly t-word?'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'skill tree, apaprently'

Kae says, 'ride a tank across medieval sounds good too, somehow'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'while still being able to keep my dinghy mind you'

Itto chuckles politely.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'my beef with vehicles is dropping one for another'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'like having to drop a dinghy to board a car, then put the dinghy in the trunk'

Itto says, 'We need a portage skill too'

Kaige says, 'you already have to portage group boats'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'yeah, portage skill would be kinda cool, but I'm just trying to think of things involving game changes not like 3 years of work to implement'

Itto says, 'Oh'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'yeah, I know that, but what itto means is that you don't have to pick them up every land room'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'I think'

AlexDeLarge says, 'i'm confused about what itto means'

Itto says, 'If it makes me look good, I'll agree to that'

Ea! says, 'I really think that we should just ditch carryable boats and move over to vehicles for them which you would need to board and leave.'

AlexDeLarge says, 'you can already carry around smaller boats'

Marcel laughs.

Itto nods solemnly.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'we can always make boats damageable'

Marcel says, 'ooh, I see the prices on inflatable boats going up'

AlexDeLarge says, 'they can catch fire'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'like a dinghy gets holes in it until it sinks'

Fortebraccio snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'we could always up the sink chance of those smaller crafts on the open seas'

Itto says, 'I drowned because I left my knarr without realizing it :/'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Fokke-Wulf nods his agreement with Kaige.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'exactly'

Kaige comforts Itto.

AlexDeLarge thinks he should learn how to swim.

Itto smiles at Kaige.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'the sea is 2/3rds or the earth's surface area, but it's rare to find a good sea-based area, it'd be really cool to have atlantis or a jacques coustaeu-type area'

Fortebraccio smiles at Jenna.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'hmm one second'

Itto says, 'Atlantis yes, but jacques is not legendary, wait he is'

Rush says, 'would make the insanely long sus breath useful'

Rush giggles.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'maybe not being able to go agg/wary while ooc would also be a plus, heh'

What Happens to Ideas?

Azeem says, 'if you idea something, do you imms discuss the idea when you get it or does it just go in a pile of ideas to be looked at later ?'

Ea! says, 'For coding ideas, Kaige and I go through them every week.'

Kae feeds hers to the ferrets. Just kidding.

Kaige says, 'pile is pretty much the case for the building ones tho. Each builder has a section of a bug/idea/todo file that things for their areas get sorted into.'

Azeem says, 'because sometimes i could like some feedback on some of my ideas.. not something i require but it could be nice..'

Greshym wants to see that =)

Kaige says, 'If you want a response, use the feedback/q&a command or mudmail the builder directly'

Azeem says, 'well im not always on when theres a q&a'

Kae says, 'feedback is a separate idea channel which requests answers in the q&a post on the web'

Azeem raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Kaige says, 'help feedback'

Kaige says, 'err...'

Kaige says, 'hmm... guess that needs syntax info in two places'

AlexDeLarge patiently twiddles his thumbs.

Kaige says, 'aha! help bug.. it's the last type listed.'

Rush says, 'help q&a works'

Bhavitatta says, 'so does help feedback =P'

Kaige says, 'yeah. they give info, but I was looking for the specific Syntax: spot'

LadyAce says, 'at any rate -- you can ask for more feedback on your ideas here or via that command, or on the discussion board'

Kaige says, 'or via the builder responsible for the area according to areainfo'

LadyAce says, 'if anything's burning a hole in your mental pocket right this minute, speak up :)'

Explorer Whois?

Itto says, 'I'd like a whois - Has travelled the world over for those who have taken the time to visit all areas'

Ea! gives a quick polish to Knowledge, wisdom, and magic. It now shines brightly.

Itto shrugs philosophically.

Rush says, 'ohhh'

Rush says to Itto, 'cool idea'

Kaige says, 'ahh.. I thought you were gonna say, "and thought I found true love..."'

Damroll & Backstab?

Bhavitatta says, 'does dam roll affect your backstabs if so, how much can you tell us about it. just been testing backstabs.'

LadyAce says, 'damroll is a melee modifier not a special modifier'

Kaige says, 'in game info..at any rate.. so experimenting will be your best bet'

Bhavitatta nods solemnly.

LadyAce is quoting helpfile on that one.

Bhavitatta says, 'thank you.'

Fortebraccio giggles at LadyAce.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Bug with Elevator in OOC?

Rush says, 'ok ooc, on the admin floor I believe, there is no entrance message when you get off the elevator that is echoed tot he room'

LadyAce says, 'report that on the bug channel for us?'

Rush says, 'which essentially means people can enter and you don't see it'

Kaige says, 'yeah on the todo list already. just waiting for someone to look into it'

Rush says, 'i have several times'

Kaige nods her agreement with Rush.

Rush says, 'ok'

Rush says, 'making sure'

How to Find Mundane Equipment?

Rush says, 'zandy mentioned something'

Rush says, 'i wanted to follow up ad make sure he didn't forget'

Rush says, 'he said he would try to get a list of the possible newbie player gear'

Marcel says, 'oops'

Rush says, 'for purposes of more iteresting mundanes'

Kaige says, 'first I've heard of it...'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce hasn't heard anything about this in particular....

Rush says, 'can that be done?'

Rush says, 'I got in trouble ...'

LadyAce says, 'was he going to give you a list or something? I don't think we generally do that....'

Greshym tips his hat gallantly.

Greshym says, 'laters'

Rush says, 'for making too many newbies in too short a time'

Rush giggles.

LadyAce says, 'if you have ideas about how to make the gear more exciting, you could just use idea :)'

Rush says, 'i just want to see it so i know what's out there for possible mundaning'

Rush says, 'since that gear doesn't seem to exist in game it seems like a good place to look for something a little unusual'

Itto looks up into the sky and ponders.

Rush says, 'a lot of mobs have really boring eq :P'

Rush giggles.

LadyAce says, 'I don't know anything about providing people with a list of eq, part of the idea of mundanes is for people to explore Legend with their own chars....'

Marcel knew he should have saved the little pitchfork he was made with.

Itto says, 'Are we talking about newbie gear that's sort of provided by a tranining hall room?'

Rush says, 'but how do you explore something you can't get without making innumerable newbies?'

LadyAce says, 'no, we don't offer a training hall room'

Rush says, 'the gear that you get when you create a newbie'

Rush says, 'the gear that comes on you'

LadyAce says, 'newbies are born with a slight variation on their equipment.'

Itto says, 'I know. I'm trying to understand this idea :)'

Rush says, 'then also, if I did find something I really liked, how do I legally get it?'

LadyAce says, 'you'd have to get it from someone else'

LadyAce says, 'if you got it from your own newbies, it'd be swapping'

Marcel says, 'sounds like stalking out hometowns a lot to me ;)'

LadyAce says, 'ultimately, it's not really a good strategy.'

Marcel says, 'meet new newbies, mug them for their clothes...'

LadyAce says, 'making newbies, I mean'

Rush says, 'which means asking them to go through making innumerable throwawy newbies'

Rush says, 'which is why i thought the idea of having a list of just that eq would be a good idea'

LadyAce says, 'it's not like the stuff they get is so great :P most of it is the exact same eq that's out there'

LadyAce says, 'a list wouldn't help you, cuz you'd still need the item in hand'

Kaige says, 'or getting lots of people to try the place out and mug them for their clothes *halo*'

Fokke-Wulf gasps at Kaige.

Marcel grins evilly.

Rush says, 'oh really? zandy said that it often didn't exist in game'

Kaige says, 'yeah. it's completely random which set of gear you get on creation, so even a list of those would be useless in that respect.'

Itto says, 'And they call Ptah bloodthirsty! hah!'

Kaige says, 'I didn't say and then drive them AWAY. =)'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'it was inferred :P'

Rush says, 'say i jus wnt cool stuff to mundane :P'

Fortebraccio says, 'just make them run around naked!'

Marcel says, 'nah, lure them into some dark corner, get them to undress, abuse their clothes, and help them get something else seems fair to me'

LadyAce says, 'the areas have SO much more cool and inventive stuff than the randomized newbie eq could ever have'

LadyAce says, 'explore more :)'

Itto nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Rush says, 'i have been exploring areas ... some interesting stuff'

Itto says, 'But there is no randomness depending on who you were born as in the area. ie class-wise'

Kae says, 'actually, there is variation on that theme'

LadyAce says, 'the randomness of the eq doesn't take your stat order into account'

Itto says, 'maybe you cluld be born to a serf or a noble and get starting eq based on that'

Kae says, 'I remember someone cheering lately because their London newlyn actually looked like the wealthy lady they wanted to play'

LadyAce says, 'you may find that your eq does just that...'

Itto says, 'I want a little sailor suit for London Port'

Itto snickers softly.

Kaige says to Itto, 'you can.. but you don't get to pick that.'

Itto raises his eyebrow at Kaige.

LadyAce says, 'the 'random' sets of eq are themed for class or occupation, generally'

Itto says, 'Really? well, I'm going to create a tin on newbies and never vchange the equipment!'

LadyAce says, 'which class or occupation your clothing matches, is random'

Rush laughs.

Kaige says, 'there are different economic levels in the starting gear.. rich, average and poor. but it's random chance what you get... you the player don't get topick one'

Tailor Suggestions

Rush says, 'make sandra update tailor!'

Rush ducks to the ground.

Rush says, 'as near as I can tell tailor doesn't make a blouse, a vest, a skirt, or a dress'

Rush says, 'that sucks'

Kaige pokes the idea command.

Kae says, 'well, yeah, what Kaige beat me to saying'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'nor does it make tube tobs, halter tops, spaghetti strap tops, the 5 bazillion types of shoes that exist or bellbottoms!'

Rush says, 'but not enough!'

Fokke-Wulf ducks to the ground.

LadyAce tickles Fokke-Wulf.

Rush looks up into the sky and ponders.

Rush looks confused.

Kaige says, 'and I did just update tailor...'

HOL/LoP Helpfile?

Itto says, 'is there a help file on existing wandering former HOL personnel?'

Kaige says, 'help LOP'

Itto says, 'I don't know most of em'

Itto nods solemnly.

Itto says, 'Thanks'

Kaige says, 'and some of them have help files of their own.. not all do yet'

Marcel says to Itto, 'there's this here bard Ramadan too, he tells nice stories'

Kaige nods her agreement with Marcel.

Itto nods his agreement with Marcel.

Itto says, 'Did you know Ramadan's last day as a mortal was on the last day of Ramadan?'

Itto chuckles politely.

Marcel says, 'can't say I did'

Player Rep to Imms?

Fortebraccio says, 'just a wild thought...have you ever thought about creating the figure of a player representitive...something like a middle man between player base and immortals?'

LadyAce says, 'what for, are you thinking?'

Fortebraccio says, 'could be useful especially on game mechanics'

LadyAce says, 'well, but what about game mechanics?'

LadyAce says, 'it's nice to have direct contact with mortals on stuff, it seems like'

Rush says, 'i'm not sure i'd want a layer between imms and players'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Rush says, 'would seem to put the imms in an unreachable place, which they already seem to be sometimes'

Fortebraccio says, 'but someone that couldbe involved in decisional process without being an immortal'

Kae says, 'I'm not so sure I'd like to lose touch with what the players want to see area-wise...'

Fortebraccio says, 'i am not talking about that'

Kae wobbles under the weight of some 300 notes on requests and ideas.

Itto says, 'I don't know if the player base at any given time would require a player pr.'

Kaige says, 'it was brought up in the past... but was always more of a PR deal in how it was described.'

Fortebraccio says, 'i am thinking about decisional involvement'

Marcel says to Fortebraccio, 'what would such a liaison actually DO?'

Dude says, 'wield unholy power over his fellow mortals :P'

Itto laughs.

LadyAce says, 'If someone wanted to have that much involvement with how things are done here, I think that what we'd do is ask them to immort'

Fortebraccio says, 'but maybe he/she doesn't want to immortal because will get harassesd as you are!'

Fortebraccio smiles happily.

Rush says, 'hmmm'

Rush says, 'maybe like, a playerbase elected representative?'

Itto says, 'They had those in Asheron's Call. Theymlstly cautioned newbies about dangerous areas.'

Fortebraccio nods his agreement with Rush.

Kae says, 'I think that a player go-between would see MORE of that, as in you sold out to the imms and whatnot'

Rush says, 'since the imms choose the imms ... might be nice to have a player chosen voice?'

Fortebraccio says, 'well i know would be tricky'

Dude says, 'i dont think they're going for anything resembling a democracy here, though'

Fortebraccio says, 'just a wild thought'

Rush says, 'interesting'

Silence says to Rush, 'This isn't a democracy'

Silence says to Dude, 'Bah'

Kaige says, 'yeah. that's pretty much how it was described before.. only no one ever wanted to organize enough to nominate/elect anyone.. and you think calls of favoritism and popularity are bad over the expies?'

Rush says, 'I didn't say it was :P'

Itto says, 'It's a theocracy.'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Fortebraccio says, 'i think it should have immortal approval'

Dude says, 'and isn't this setting right here the way the imms get to hear the player voice?'

Fortebraccio says, 'before going to ballot'

Itto looks up into the sky and ponders.

Rush says, 'I think its an interesting idea'

Rush says, 'just has a lot of kinks'

LadyAce says, 'part of the element at play here is that the people who do the work are the people who end up deciding what work gets done'

Fortebraccio says, 'i think some players have given a lot to the mud..and if involved more in decision making would be good'

Itto says, 'I for one, would not like being a player rep. Too much time pre-sifting the chaff.'

Kae says, 'too much time spent listening to you immort asskisser'

Kaige sees it as yet another prolonging/roadblock to making any decisions.

Fortebraccio says, 'pkill representitive also would not be bad :)'

Rush giggles.

Kaige says, 'you don't see it.. but most decisions get wrangled to death before they can be implemented.'

Fortebraccio says, 'i know'

Gunnar reads a small piece of paper from Gunnar marked 'WEAPON STRING'.

LadyAce says, 'we're a volunteer staff, and we're something of a wild bunch. What we end up doing is what we decide needs doing. I think it'd be hard for any players to overcome that'

Itto waves happily.

LadyAce says, 'on issues where we're honestly split or could go either way, we do tend to take in player feedback'

Rush says, 'overcome it?'

Fortebraccio says, 'i was talking about feedback'

Fortebraccio says, 'before implemenation!'

Fortebraccio smiles happily.

Kaige says, 'me too'

Fortebraccio says, 'from players'

Fortebraccio says, 'i know you play as mortals'

LadyAce says, 'design of what goes in is a good part of the fun of doing it'

Fortebraccio says, 'but you cannot play as much as a player'

Kae giggles.

Fortebraccio says, 'so sometimes you overlook some things'

Ea! says, 'most of the things that we end up implementing have been discussed with players, often in this forum.'

Silence says, 'Look Obviously imms know what they're doing if they made this MUD what it is.'

Kae probably plays more than most players.

Kae sighs at herself. What a sorry sight.

Ea! says, 'It's just that there's often a big lag time.'

Fortebraccio says to Dude, 'but rp though :)'

Rush giggles at Kaige.

Fortebraccio says, 'i am talking game changes'

Ea! says, 'Many of the projects for the coding staff predate my time as an imm here.'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Fortebraccio says, 'is just an idea'

LadyAce says, 'if we overlook stuff and you point it out, we generally fix it. Large changes generally get discussed to pieces before they go in -- discussed with imms and mortals both'

Fortebraccio says, 'you probably know that there is a player that discovred many bugs more than anyone here'

LadyAce says, 'do you have a particular change in mind?'

Fortebraccio says, 'that type of player i think'

Fortebraccio says, 'no is just an idea'

LadyAce says, 'it's hard for a bugfinder to find a bug before the code is in, though'

Fortebraccio says, 'uhm i can tell you of couple changes that went in recently that are unbalancing'

LadyAce says, 'it's playing with the system, once in, that makes the weaknesses show. We tweak things a lot after they go in.'

Silence nods his agreement with Fortebraccio.

Fortebraccio says, 'i'd rather tell you before hand..rather that exploiting them and get them changed'

LadyAce says, 'discussion board, q&a and talking to us about them are all good ways to discuss them.'

Fortebraccio says, 'ok..was just a thought'

Fortebraccio smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'mudmail works too.'

Ea! says, 'I'd be amiss in my responsibilities if I didn't mention that exploiting bugs is a warnable offense, etc, etc.'

Fortebraccio says to Ea!, 'is not a bug'

Rush says, 'not bugs'

Silence cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Rush says, 'features'

Kaige says, 'regardless.. if it feels off, you should report it.'

Rush says, 'unbalancing ones'

Kaige says, 'and obviously you think it feels off.'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'I did report what I thought was majorly off with mobkill sniping and bsing'

Rush says, 'like someone was telling me you could try to snipe, when you miss, rent, then go try ti snipe again'

Fokke-Wulf nods his agreement with Rush.

Fortebraccio says to Ea!, 'i think a spell is overpowered because of recent changes..i made it known..people..immortals didn't agree :)'

Fokke-Wulf says, 'that was me :P'

Rush says, 'therby allowing you to run hug amounts of xp wthout damage'

Kaige says, 'yeah.. too good to be true.. sucks too much to withstand... both valid definitions of "off"'

Silence says, 'Because as fortebraccio said there are some interesting set-ups that could be employed in fighting.'

Silence says, 'That make it seem like a bug.'

LadyAce says, 'If you're worried about some balance issues, this is a good place to bring them up specifically. So is mudmail and the discussion board....all this vaguenness is making my knee itch.'

Marcel thinks Suger's chalice is a bug. Way too easy mana for everyone.

Rush is completely boggled.

Silence nods his agreement with Marcel.

Silence says, 'They can afford more rent.'

Fokke-Wulf thinks that meditate needs to be pumped if sugers chalice is absolved

Sandra thinks that meditate is fine as is.

Marcel says, 'just meaning to point out that that just because something is old doesn't mean it's sacrosanct'

Fortebraccio knocks Sandra over and flops all over her.

Rush says, 'what do you mean the chalice being absolved?'

PK Balance Changes Coming?

Silence says, 'Kind of on the same topic as fortebraccio.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Silence says, 'Are there any balance changes coming to classes for PK any time soon?'

Fokke-Wulf nods solemnly.

Silence says, 'Did someone answer my question, cause I'm spammed?'

Kaige says, 'nope. I'm looking at next week's update list.'

LadyAce says to Silence, 'I don't know of any in the works.'

Kaige says, 'yeah. none immediately on the horizon... but there's several on the todo list that might get picked up'

EXP Loss/Gain in PK?

Silence says, 'Another thing, could we please change the XP/PK ratio... LOWER the xp-lost or RAISE xp-gained'

Sandra says, 'no'

Rush laughs.

Silence says to Sandra, '5 reasons?'

Kaige says, 'only if we can make xp loss from death bigger.'

Sandra says, 'pk isn't a way to gain xp. And I can give you about 11'

Fokke-Wulf shrugs helplessly.

Silence waits patiently.

Fokke-Wulf laughs.

Sandra says, 'but I'll save you the trouble, and have you type wizlist'

Fortebraccio giggles.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'what is it with you and ticking off authority figures? *chuckle*'

Silence says, 'and now I can see all the names of the imms'

Sandra says, 'exactly'

Sandra says, '11+ reasons it won't change ;)'

Silence says, 'But why does PK have to be a way to lose xp?'

LadyAce says, 'we can't make xp loss from pk death less meaningful because it'd take out a good element of the danger'

Silence says to LadyAce, 'Danger of permaing?'

Kaige says, 'personally I've never liked that there's a difference between xp lost to players and mobs.'

Marcel beams at Kaige delightedly.

Kaige says, 'cause the loss from death after a certain point really isn't a huge hassle after a while.'

Fortebraccio says, 'well every pkiller should count as much as metacomat though :)'

LadyAce says, 'just the sheer fact that you lose something substantial and valuable -- not simply perma'

Dude says, 'run a trial of like a week... with there being no xp loss from pk - see what happens'

Dude says, 'it'd be interesting at least'

Kaige says, 'free-for-allwith mindless quake style pk which we don't want'

LadyAce says, 'bunches of 'shrug, it meant nothing to me' deaths'

Fortebraccio says, 'i wouldn't want that at all'

Fortebraccio nods his agreement with Kaige.

Dude says, 'quake style pk is fun :P'

LadyAce says, 'what happens when I turn on a free for all, no xp loss port? :P'

LadyAce says, 'people go nuts killing each other over and over'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'quake is why we have pk :P'

Marcel says, 'people would probably loot like freaks in order to cause a 'loss' in the enemy -- not ALL people, but all the bad sports'

Silence says to LadyAce, 'Well there's 350K and there's 200K both big numbers but one is easier to cope with.'

Dude says, 'as a matter of fact... if i were at school on my broadband... i'd be playing quake right now'

Dude laughs.

Silence says, 'I'm not saying make it no loss'

LadyAce says, 'risk/danger and excitement feed on each other'

Fortebraccio says, 'pkill here should never be quake..but could still use some tweaking from what is now :)'

Sandra says, '350k is hardly anything to get your panties in a bunch over'

Marcel says, 'now it's just, shrug, I lost 20 minutes, so what'

LadyAce says, 'I think that people in general have a much greater fear of any kind of dying than they should.'

LadyAce thinks that dying is part of the game, and that avoiding risk to avoid dying is silly.

Silence says to Sandra, 'say that I get into 3 fights a day... that's a lot of fights in a week and with half of them lost I lose 3.5 mil?'

Marcel says to LadyAce, 'there's probably a reason a good number of players avoid those runs.'

Sandra says to Silence, 'You should plan better for it then'

PK Discussion

Silence says, 'Many people don't fight at low levels because they're afraid of never levelling'

Marcel says, 'I kind of miss the days when a pkill loss usually would mean grouping up to get the xp back, was more solidarity in the pkill community at that time'

Rush says, 'the main reason i hear people don't fight at low levels is because it's so random'

Kaige says, 'and because all the level 50 people laugh at them when they do... not exactly a welcoming atmosphere for lowbie pkillershere.'

Sandra says, 'I think all pkillers have become sissies =P But that's just my opinion'

LadyAce says, 'the way that you guys jump on each other for a run go wrong can be ugly...'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Rush mutters under her breath.

Rush says, 'we could rehash that'

Rush says, 'but i wont in Q&A'

Fortebraccio says, 'uhm problem with pkill at low levels is really that xp loss is too little..they multi each other so many times'

Silence says to Sandra, 'Sissies my butt, is all you do just throwing insults?'

Gunnar reads a small piece of paper from Gunnar marked 'WEAPON STRING'.

Itto waves happily.

Silence says, 'This feels like an awkward moment where something is about to happen.'

Sandra says, 'sissies. yep yep. Do you realize that pkillers make up the majority of complainers here? ;) Sissies.'

Kaige thinks everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

Rush laughs.

Fokke-Wulf says, 'if I called imms sissies, would I get 11+ slays sandra?'

Sandra says, 'and this is coming from someone that used to be one of our most active pkillers'

LadyAce says, 'so, did we cover that question? I don't think we told you what you were hoping for, but I think we're at a bit of a standstill.'

Silence nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce would like to move on to other hands, if there are any? Questions, comments, thoughts?

Silence says, 'You guys should be more open minded.'

Sandra is very open minded.

Rush snickers softly.

Fortebraccio says to Sandra, 'uhm there is some truth about what you says...and i agree that pkiller population may be not be the more mature..but there are players that are :)'

Rush looks in Sandra's head. Yep, it's open!

Marcel is too tired of being told that rp pkillers don't matter to even care much.

Sandra says to Fortebraccio, 'it was a general statement ;)'

Silence whispers quietly to Sandra.

Fortebraccio says, 'well i do have some complains about the state of affair in pkill...but i won't go there yet again! :)'

Silence chuckles politely at Fortebraccio's feeble witticism.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Silence, 'I'd say a break from the mob death xp loss is exactly that'

Marcel says, 'Hey, I do too, when will it become required for people to do more than type t marcel u want to duel in order to initiate a fight?'

LadyAce says, 'other comments, questions, etc.? Or shall we wrap this up?'

Fortebraccio says, 'just expand the clan limit to 30..so i can induct everyone in Grendels..and divide them in 2 factions'

Fortebraccio says, 'can you do that?'

Kaige says, 'it's currently 32.'

Rush laughs.

Sandra giggles.

Fortebraccio says, 'is is already?'

Kaige says, 'or you mean members?'

Sandra says to Kaige, 'he means members'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Fortebraccio says, 'members'

Silence chuckles politely.

Silence says, 'what's the limit now?'

Fortebraccio says, 'anyway they all ask only in my clan'

Fortebraccio says, 'so we could do that'

Fortebraccio winks suggestively.

Silence says to Fortebraccio, 'I never asked to join :P'

Kaige says, 'could induct all your seekers now and have only 5 less on each team'

Sandra says, 'it's dumb of them to all go to one clan. Then they end up fighting themselves. Oh wait, they do that already!'

Fortebraccio nods his agreement with Sandra.

Fortebraccio says, 'is not my fault!'

Silence says to Sandra, 'The Players didn't kill PK.'

Fortebraccio says, 'if no other clan takes the stand'

Sandra says, 'I beg to differ.'

Silence takes a rather wide, although unbalanced, stand.

Kaige says, 'max members is currently 20.'

Fortebraccio says, 'uhm'

Fortebraccio says, 'so maybe i could start that plan'

Fortebraccio says, 'white Grendels vs Black Grendels!'

Silence chuckles politely.

Fortebraccio says, 'i like that idea'

Sandra says, 'for years, I fought for pk, and players did not a damn thing to help it along. I gave up fighting. Ya'll are SoL if you don't get off your asses and make something happen.'

Marcel says, 'I'm actually kind of serious in asking how come we are encouraged as rpers to fight in pkill, but not the other way around?'

Fortebraccio says to Sandra, 'is 3 years i am trying'

Silence says, 'SoL?'

Kaige says, 'out of luck'

Rush says, 'super outa luck'

Ea! says, 'technically, straight out of luck, but, yeah.'

Silence nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'I think we do encourage pk types to rp, to have reasons for their fights and such, but that the sort of pker who doesn't rp is less likely to be interested in learning rp than the rper who doesn't pk is in learning to pk.'

LadyAce says, 'pk can expand your rp, and rp your pk, but the mentalities of people who mix them and the mentalities of pure pkers are far apart it seems'

Marcel says, 'well, that's my point: As GM of an RP clan, what incentive do I have to offer to my clanmates to start pkilling?'

LadyAce says, 'whereas a rp/pk type and a straight rp type have more in common.'

Marcel says, 'they can get insulted and cursed at a lot and called babies?'

Fortebraccio says, 'uhm i don't consider myself a RP but i don't think i ever made it bad for RP players'

LadyAce says, 'that it's fun?'

Rush hugs Fokke-Wulf.

Kaige says, 'I think it's also a function of the players doing the pk and what they give and expect from each other... just like in the rp circles.'

LadyAce says, 'same as the incentive for RPing.'

Marcel says to Fortebraccio, 'I'm not talking about you in particular'

Marcel says to LadyAce, 'nor am I actually asking the staff as much as the socalled pkill community'

Silence whispers quietly to Sandra.

Silence whispers quietly to Sandra.

Fortebraccio says, 'well so i don't talk about you either Marcel as RP player that look down on pkillers..but there are some'

Marcel says, 'I keep getting asked as a GM to accept pkill clans, yet when I do, I find that baby pkillers in my clan get harassed out of ever wanting to touch it again by older pkillers'

Sandra says, 'I stand by what I said. I'm done fighting for pk. It's a tiring job.'

Marcel says to Fortebraccio, 'of course there are, there are twits everywhere'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Silence says to Sandra, 'heh, looks like its a mutual thing.'

Rush nods her agreement with Riley.

Marcel says, 'I for one would love to see more pkill action, but I am very hard pressed to defend any IC approach to it in most cases'

Fortebraccio says, 'well the matter is that we Grendels aren't even considred in those accept'

Fortebraccio says, 'why?'

Marcel says to Fortebraccio, 'In 7C's case because there are Grendel members who are abusive to baby pkillers with no respect for their desire to RP too -- we do individual accepts on the non-bad Grendels, though.'

Rush nods her agreement with Fokke-Wulf.

Marcel says, 'admittedly, we're not always up to date, but you can help with that'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'gotta remember that for us, a random jump is hey, who cares'

Fokke-Wulf coughs Habeeb.

Marcel says, 'but to a new pkiller, it's totally scary and disturbing'

Fortebraccio says, 'i babysitted some in my clan though..and i can assure i changed some attitudes'

Fortebraccio says, 'do other people ever think about that?'

Marcel says to Fortebraccio, 'I would be a fool to argue with that :)'

Fortebraccio says, 'well i am noneless bitter about the state of affair'

Marcel says, 'I can understand that, because I am too'

Marcel says, 'sort of from the other side of the fence, if you know what I mean -- I used to be a pkiller in the old days too and all that'

Fortebraccio says, 'i actaully never been a pkiller in old pkill..well not active'

Marcel giggles.

Silence says to Fortebraccio, 'I don't know how I trust the change of heart story. I've seen Grendels they haven't changed ever.'

Marcel says, 'it had its ups and its downs'

Fortebraccio says to Silence, 'your opinion'

Marcel says, 'not all Grendels are "bad" just because they're Grendels'

Silence says to Fortebraccio, 'ya, true.'

Silence nods his agreement with Marcel.

Silence says, 'Aquilante and Stain and some others are great.'

Fortebraccio says, 'someone would ven daresay that some RP eveil'

Fortebraccio shudders.

Silence says to Fortebraccio, 'You too.'

Marcel says, 'the problem I see most RP clan GMs having is that there is little incentive to convince members to try it out -- because the proverbial dump hits the fan hard on them, and they get scared off easy'

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'I mean, to you and me, getting jumped, say, once every 2-3rd hour, that's great, that's fun'

Riley sighs loudly.

Marcel says, 'to someone who's new to pkill and not quite sure about it, it's very very unsettling'

Rush nods solemnly.

Rush says, 'true that'

Rush giggles.

Fortebraccio giggles.

Marcel says, 'moreso if followed up with a crapload of mean tells and whatnot'

Silence laughs.

Fortebraccio says, 'i can see that'

Kaige says, 'especially when it slides more OOC than IC./'

Marcel has issues with the attitudes of some of the newer pkillers here, can you tell?

Fortebraccio snickers softly.

Riley shudders.

Rush says, 'pk is scary'

Sandra says, 'I just pretend they're all 8 and dont know any better'

Riley says, 'Or "Hurry up and level so I can kill you." I get that alot.'

Marcel says to Riley, 'very encouraging, isn't it='

Riley throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Fortebraccio says, 'as i said you should just jopin Grendels..we offer many degrees of protection you jump one of us..2-3 of us will pop up!'

Riley says, 'Yes, I don't care for any OOC murder motives.'

Silence says to Sandra, 'They are all eight.'

Marcel says, 'well, it sure as hell doesn't bother me, I used to have Craven stalking me all day and the grendels on the side, but I can understand why clanmates who are new prefer to go reject all and leave it at that'

Fortebraccio nods his agreement with Marcel.

Rush says to Fortebraccio, 'you guys teach newbie pkers?'

Fortebraccio says, 'is my new aim'

Rush looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'get some to come to the open practice at the end of the month!'

Marcel says, 'I encourage my baby rpers to try out pkill on 'safe' targets and upgrade from there'

Fortebraccio says, 'free pratcice is not practice'

Fortebraccio smiles happily.

Marcel says, 'perhaps you pkill clan people can do the same'

Marcel says to Fortebraccio, 'sorta do some duelling and socializing, help bridge the gap'

Fortebraccio says, 'i believe in the full approach!'

Silence says, 'I want fortebraccio for my practice :P'

Marcel giggles.

Fortebraccio says, 'duel is so no RP!'

Marcel says, 'yes, it is'

Riley waves happily.

Marcel says, 'but it's also a way to learn, and if both parts are agreed on it as practice it has its place'

Marcel says, 'as for duelling IC -- no freaking way :p'

Fortebraccio giggles.

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'if we could reduce the bitching and the shouting on info we'd get far for all of us'

Fortebraccio says, 'i undertsand that the game is fun if everyone play by the same rules..doens't happen here though'

Marcel says, 'nah, but the game here is big enough for all of us if we can just not act like kindergarten which seems to be a bigger problem than it sounds like'

Fortebraccio says, 'you can say that aloud'

Marcel says, 'for example, Ramirez killed one of mine the other day'

Marcel says, 'five people jumped him -- he got multi'd -- if he had been a baby pkiller he'd reject all so fast we wouldn't know what hti'

Marcel says, 'people are looking for trouble :)'

Rush nods solemnly.

Fortebraccio says, 'uhm he does reject us though!'

Fortebraccio snickers softly.

Marcel says, 'killing an unarmed druid sucks, sure, but sometimes crap happens'

Sandra says to Fortebraccio, 'probably coz you smell funny'

Silence says, 'There's always jerks.'

Sandra discreetly sniffs the air around Fortebraccio.

Fortebraccio says, 'that's not a good enough reason!'

Fortebraccio smiles at Sandra.

Sandra says, 'sure it is!'

Fortebraccio sniffs sadly.

Marcel says, 'well, he didn't realize she was unarmed, and that's the end of that, she rejected him later on and everyone was happy -- except for the bitchfest on info and the multis and the perma threats and th elootings...'

Silence says, 'I could take ya.'

Kaige says, 'hell, look at some of Sylia's reasons...'

Fortebraccio laughs.

Kaige says, 'for attacking that is...'

Sandra says, 'bad hair day was my fav'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Fortebraccio says, 'exactly..that doens't happen anymore!'

Kaige says, 'that and the phone bill arrived... ooc as that was.'

Fortebraccio smiles happily.

Marcel says, 'sounds good to me, I got jumped today for not paying my pizza tab ;)'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Rush laughs.

Marcel says, 'I honestly think it's all the bitching that kills pkill because it drives new blood away'

Itto nods solemnly.

Fortebraccio nods solemnly.

Marcel says, 'code and whatnot matters, but in the end, it's the bitching that really hurts'

Kaige says, 'and middlin' too.. cause you just get tired of listening to it..'

Fortebraccio says, 'that's my first rule in Grendel..no complaining'

Itto says, 'Could we have some prize to be fought over for pkill reasons?'

LadyAce says to Marcel, 'you should write an LT article. Get this all out there :)'

Marcel says, '7C's pkill rule is, if you give it, take it'

Sandra says, 'Make up your own pk reasons to fight. Don't count on us to do all your work ;)'

Marcel giggles.

Marcel says, 'I probably should'

Itto says, 'For example, in Dark gaes of camelot, you take over forts.'

Itto says, 'Additional reasons'

Marcel says to Itto, 'that'd be cool to do, absolutely'

Sandra says, 'ugh, and please, don't compare us to those games ;)'

Kaige says, 'I'm glad to see some of the GM's actually enforcing rules..like Barabas with the activity one, and stuff like you guys just mentioned.'

Sandra says, 'it makes me twitch'

Marcel says, 'although, I remember the Knights took Klein once :)'

Silence cheers wildly!

Fortebraccio says to Kaige, 'but that died fast'

Kaige says, 'Zips are always free for the asking!. Some of the best clan wars were over little more'

Itto says, 'hey, you take ideas from wherever you can find them.'

Fortebraccio says, 'is just in the hand of one 2 players'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Fortebraccio says, 'i bet you if i leave the mud..Grendels are gone in 2 months'

Silence says to Fortebraccio, 'heh'

Sandra says, 'I once started a war by stealing a harp that wasn't a harp and I didn't have steal!'

LadyAce says, 'a zip with your name in it, for example, or clan name, can only be approved by you or your GM'

Rush cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Sandra says, 'that was fun'

Sandra swoons.

Marcel says, 'I once started a war by being jealous of my wife grouping with my alt ;)'

Fortebraccio giggles.

LadyAce says, 'so there's a kind of value enforced by that'

Sandra says, 'hehe'

Kaige says, 'the IRA flag is always a good one for taunting if you grab it. The Knight's code of conduct should have gotten more of a rise out of them for all the abbuse Krynn gave it.'

Marcel says, 'I'd really hate to see pkill ripped because after so many redeems, it's the thing that keeps one on one's toes'

Rush laughs.

Fortebraccio says, 'well i have no problem to start wars..my problems is that no one wants to wage aginst us!'

Fortebraccio smiles happily.

Marcel says, 'but it's us who's gonna have to fix it'

Marcel says to Kaige, 'The knights had enough trouble keeping their own act in gear at that point, alas'

Kaige nods her agreement with Marcel.

Marcel says, 'he sure did try, credit to Krynn for that'

Kaige says, 'yeah. but you rarely even heard one speak up about it.'

Silence says to Kaige, 'I was a Knight back then'

Silence says to Kaige, 'Boy, they've been going down ever since.'

LadyAce says, 'I've seen the Knights up and down. I can't say any one gets credit or blame for the cycling of the cycle of a clan.'

Marcel says, 'clans do tend to be cyclic'

Kaige was just saying great opportunities like that do occur.

Marcel says, 'two years ago 7C had a waiting list of 30 people, today there's 11 of us -- and that's the second tour through that cycle we take'

Marcel says, 'it's cool, be dull if we all stayed the same all the time just because some of us oldbies are too lazy to make up new identities'

Lorenzo says to Marcel, '^la^bu'

Kaige says, 'yeah. we currently have 212 characters in clans right now.'

Dude says, 'but there isn't NPH... so the world is a bleak place...'

Dude waves happily.

Marcel hops off the soapbox. Next.

LadyAce says, 'other comments or questions before we close up the session?'

LadyAce says, 'goodnight, all :) thanks for coming'

LadyAce waves happily.

Kaige waves happily.

Marcel tips his hat gallantly.

Itto says, 'G'Nite'

Itto bows deeply.

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o Why not make innkeepers hirable to be put in homes?

Homes that are meant to be rented in come with a room that allows renting. Check with the build query command and suggest it on idea if you think one is missing one.

o Why do bandages weigh so much?

A single bandage is currently at the lowest weight we can make it. With the make bandage skill you can roll them up to take less space and the weight of the roll is based off of how many are in it.

o I'd like to access the continent of Asia during the industrial or ancient eras.

o Make a Troy area!

There are many areas we've been looking to have built for quite some time. However, we haven't had any one with the time to work on them or new immorts wanting to propose them. They're definitely not neglected on purpose!

o Make a channel where we can tell ya about ya great mobs like Sylia a mob that gives me a challenge now I hafta think when killing *hug immies*

You can find out which builder is reponsible for the creation and maintenance of an area by typing AREAINFO.You can always drop mudmail to any of the immorts to send them personal feedback. We've also gotten comments like these over the years through the bug/idea channels as well.

o What is the xp cap at here? I mean, when do you stop getting whois lines, and redeem points?

You can keep getting xp. There's probably a point where it'll roll over and be negative and be ugly, but even Israfel hasn't managed that yet. And you can currently only get 31 redeems total. You stop getting whois lines at 1000 million XP. You can see which active characters have reached level 50 and each 100 million milestone after that by pointing your browser to the Hall of Fame page.

o Is the cloudy grey opal ring quest bug? I did the same things I always did, but this time, it didn't work.

We've gotten a fair number of reports on this problem recently. I don't think anything has been changed with it, but it's on the area's to do.

o Is there a way to see who is accepting you?

There is no way to get a "Prey du Jour" menu laid out for you. You can try asking, attacking, stealing, or in some cases healing the person in question.

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