October 17th, 2002

Old Luckstones and Tform?

Herbert says, 'old luckstones, whats the deal?'

Retribution rolls around on the ground with laughter.

LadyAce points at Sandra.

LadyAce passes zee buck.

Herbert says, 'apparently they're supposed to be nonrepair, but you can spam tform till yer outta mana and it will say its TRYIN to fix it, but never does'

Herbert says, 'can i have it either just nonrepair, or tformable'

Sandra says, 'that's a tform problem'

Herbert says, 'obviously i want it tformable but i know how y'all are'

Sandra says, 'not a luckstone problem'

Herbert wrinkles his nose with distaste.

Rush giggles.

Herbert says, 'ohhhh never seen it before that one item'

Herbert says, 'ok its Ea!'s domain'

Herbert pounces on Ea!, bowling him over.

Kaige says, 'could always get a new one?'

Kaige giggles.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Huginn says to Herbert, 'did you bug it?'

Herbert nods solemnly.

Herbert says, 'but of course'

Huginn nods solemnly.

Alarmist waves hello to the world!

Huginn says, 'well then it'll get fixed'

Retribution says, 'herbert bugs everything he dont like'

Ea! says, 'What he said.'

Rush giggles.

Retribution ducks under Herbert.

Ea! points at Huginn.

LadyAce giggles.

Rush nods her agreement with Retribution.

LadyAce claps for Herbert approvingly.

LadyAce giggles.

Herbert tries not to comment on a zillion reports that disappear.

Rangi snickers at Retribution nastily.

Herbert says, 'but ok! i will just trust ya on it'

LadyAce says to Herbert, 'hey, no one said when :P'

Ea! says to Herbert, 'We have stuff on our todo list that predates my time as an immortal.'

Kaige points teh the Zillion+ reports still in the file that she wishes would just disappear.

Ea! says, 'That's how back logged we are.'

Ea! says, 'and, no, it's not a first in, first out queue. We prioritize.'

Herbert says, 'gimme the piles of evil things i will fix it all!'

Bow of Fate?

Jase says, 'ok i was wondering for the bow of fate the first time i used it it aged someone 10 years now its not doing it and someone told me only ethearl archers or something can only do that was it a bug or what'

Kaige says, 'probably just random chance'

Jase says, 'ok'

Rush says, 'i didn't even know there were arrows for the bow of fate'

Rush makes a mental note.

Faith nods solemnly.

Jase says, 'or do ya think its the arrows'

Faith says, 'I never even knew they were usable by players'

Rush nods her agreement with Faith.

Jase waves the bow of Fate.

Alarmist says, 'i put regular arrows in it the other day and it shot'

Jase says, 'no i know it shoots but the arrows i use i wonder if they don't age for the bow of fate'

Jase says, 'maybe only certain kind does'

Ea! says, 'There's a chance of aging, it isn't certain.'

Retribution says to Jase, 'only the masters of fate should be aging people'

Jase says, 'so its all random then'

LadyAce says to Jase, 'it's a % chance'

Jase says, 'ok thanks'

Jase says, 'so then any arrows can age'

Jase says, 'just random'

LadyAce says, 'only the special arrows can'

LadyAce says, 'but they don't do it all the time, only a % of the time'

Jase says, 'special arrows?'

Retribution nods his agreement with Jase.

Jase says, 'what specail arrows'

Kaige says to Jase, 'the ones the archer uses'

LadyAce says, 'the arrows that come with it are what holds the magic spell'

Jase says, 'ok like but do they come in a quiver or what'

Kaige nods her agreement with Jase.

Faith says, 'ahhh, so since it did it on the first shot, the archer must have loaded an arrow and that is the one it shot, but it wont do it anymore???'

Jase says, 'nope'

LadyAce says, 'the bow is loaded with arrows from the quiver'

Faith looks confused.

LadyAce says, 'each shot has a chance of doing the spell.'

Jase says, 'so i should just try different quivers'

Kaige says, 'no, all the arrows in that quiver have a chance... it's like he has a quiver of tainted arrows'

Rush says, 'all the arrows in what quiver?'

Kaige says, 'not all quivers will have that particular affect, only the ethereal archer's that I know of.'

Faith says to Kaige, 'does the archer drop a quiver when he poofs as well?'

Kaige says, 'sometimes.'

Rush says, 'i never saw my archer drop a quiver'

Faith says to Rush, 'Ethereal archer spell'

Kaige says, 'just like he sometiems drops the bow'

Rush says, 'only bows'

Rush says, 'maybe just weird karma'

Faith's eyes glisten with a hint of understanding.

Jase says, 'oh so i need someone to summon an archer?'

Jase says, 'to get the quiver?'

Retribution says to Rush, 'you really expect it to be anything but karma?'

Rush giggles at Retribution.

LadyAce says, 'try it and see :)'

Any Upcoming Fall Events?

Dare says, 'are there gonna be any fall games and stuff?'

Dare bounces around.

Faith says to Dare, 'type events, there is a bunch this month'

Dare says, 'ooh'

Alarmist says, 'events callendar is cool with the colored days for special events...never seen that before'

Dare bounces around.

Kaige smiles at Alarmist.

Kaige thanks Alarmist heartily.

Alarmist says to Kaige, 'no, thank you !'

Consider Problems?

Herbert says, 'what the hell is the definition of 'Like stepping on a bug' cos it sure as hell varies a lot..'

LadyAce says, 'more than x levels lower than you'

Kaige says, 'it's a level range below you.'

Retribution nods his agreement with Herbert.

Faith says, 'I've had a few "bug bites" too'

Herbert says, 'from a tara mouse that you kick and it dies.. to a mayors assistant in indus paris that takes a ring of fire and 3 firestorms'

Herbert says, 'its not just a difference, its a HUGE difference'

Retribution rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Kaige says, 'best thing to do is bug the ones that seem way out of line so they can be looked at'

LadyAce says, 'if you think the mob is too hard for its level, report it as a bug'

Rush says, 'at 50 anything from like level 1 to level 41 is like stepping'

Faith says to Kaige, 'get ready for an influx of bug reports'

Faith winks suggestively at Herbert.

Kaige says to Faith, 'not a problem'

Retribution says, 'good one, now we gonna have herbert spamming the bug channel with things that are too hard for his cause mage'

Faith nods her agreement with Retribution.

Rush giggles at Retribution.

Herbert nods his agreement with Retribution.

Herbert says, 'no only things that are just mental'

Kaige says to Herbert, 'a challenge is always ABOVE your level tho'

Faith is glad she doesnt have to go thru that report.

Herbert says, 'that assistant.. sure he didnt hit that hard but he sucked down firestorms'

Herbert says, 'well maybe the whole thing needs an edit then?'

Herbert says, 'scaled along with your level'

Rush says, 'read help consider'

Retribution says, '*cough*greece*cough*'

Rush says, 'it talks about the limitations of consider'

Herbert says, 'so all these 50th level mobs that are like ten times better than a 50th arent so horridly deceiving'

Rush says, 'gotta get judge to get a better idea'

Kaige says, 'it's just a simple level comparison.. yours vs theirs'

Kaige nods her agreement with Rush.

Faith says, 'I've had alts that take things that con as death without losing a hp, then move on to another area and lose half their life from something that cons as perfect match.'

Retribution flexes his judge spell

Herbert says, 'ok but we needa stop all the like steppings cos theyre so NOT'

Elementals Bug with Weather?

Retribution says, 'Ive prolly asked this before, but why when it rains do my golems die, but not the things actually made of fire, my salamanders'

Faith says, 'good question'

Sandra says, 'sounds like a bug with the salamanders'

Kaige nods her agreement with Sandra.

Retribution says, 'dammit!'

Trinity shakes her head.

Retribution bursts into tears.

Shivan says, 'hehe, i havent played create sence those changes went in :P'

Trinity says, 'Not a bug. I believe what he means is this:'

Trinity says, 'Golems die instantly'

Trinity says, 'Salamanders take damage from rain, then die'

Retribution says, 'nope'

Ea! says, 'depends on the type of golem/salamander.'

Trinity nods her agreement with Ea!.

Retribution says, 'lessers still die'

Rush says, 'another very karmic thing'

Retribution says, 'but my greaters dont'

Trinity says, 'ahhhh'

Trinity only has lessers and will hide under a rock now.

Ea! says, 'Right -- greaters can resist more than lessers.'

Herbert says, 'gah i better get darkness her item, back soon, cuz i need coffee'

Faith chuckles politely at Trinity's feeble witticism.

Retribution says, 'nothing worse than creating a horde of lesser salamanders and having them die in a pulse'

Rush nods solemnly.

Faith nods her agreement with Retribution.

Ea! says, 'change the weather.'

Rush says, 'the worst thing is walking into a room like a frigging cave and having your air sprites die'

Retribution says, 'I would if it wasnt so costly'

Shivan says, 'and watch 700 mana disappear for nothing :P'

Rush says, 'like, hello, there isn't enough air one step into a frigging cave?'

Retribution says, 'but my greater salamanders dont even take damage from the rain'

Ea! says to Rush, 'they need to pull in lots and lots of air to keep swirling around.'

Ea! says to Retribution, 'It's only rain...'

Retribution says to Ea!, 'but it kills golems?'

Rush says, 'suuuuuure! a pat answer for everything!'

Shivan says, 'they melt?'

Kaige says, 'they're made of mud.. what happens to mud when it gets rained on'

Rush throws her hands up into the air.

Retribution says, 'what happens to fire :P'

Rush says, 'it doesn't melt instantly'

Shivan says, 'mud = watery dirt'

Ea! says, 'Whereas a large fire can easily survive the rain.'

Rush says, 'any more than fire is instantly extinguished'

Retribution says, 'good so its not a bug, just means no more golems again'

Ea! says, 'The golems shouldn't die instantly.'

Retribution says, 'they dont, but its no point wasting the mana'

Ea! says, 'We can look at lessening it some.'

Ea! says, 'Well, actually, looking at it...'

Ea! says, 'They don't take any damage unless it's quite a downpour.'

Faith says, 'HA! look again'

Trinity says, 'The golems, you mean?'

Ea! nods solemnly.

Kaige giggles.

Retribution says, 'or if its too hot :P'

Ea! says, 'fire guys get hurt in a drizzle.'

Faith nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'the golems also can't be allowed to dry out either.'

Retribution says, 'not that I have ever seen'

Faith says, 'they should, but geesh, I had my golem poof when it started to sprinkle and I had just summoned it like 5 minutes ago'

Trinity says to Ea!, 'However, even the smallest fire elemental can be quickly rushed in doors after taking damage - with golems you haven't that luxury.'

Faith nods her agreement with Trinity.

Faith says, 'golems cant stand outside, cant go inside'

Ea! says, 'Weather doesn't go from "clear" to "downpour". It builds up. Watch the weather and go for cover.'

Retribution says, 'one other question, why do my salamanders take damage from flying over water? they aint actually touching it'

Faith says to Ea!, 'but why? taking a golem indoors out of the rain will kill it'

Ea! says to Retribution, 'they should only take rain when flying if it is raining out.'

Faith says, 'one quick question on the golems thing'

Ea! says, 'Or if it is an underwater room, obviously.'

LadyAce says to Faith, 'go ahead'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'it's out of element in or over water... '

Faith asks Ea!, 'Why do earth golems take damage inside the druids tree? when everything there is earth?'

Retribution says, 'over water makes no sense if its not touching it'

Rush nods her agreement with Retribution.

Ea! says to Faith, ''cause we don't have that level of distinction in the code...'

Kaige says, 'every been sailing and gotten wet without getting in the water?'

Retribution says, 'golems getting damages like that I understand'

Faith nods her agreement with Ea!.

Shivan says, 'there flying, not in a boat :P'

Ea! says to Retribution, 'Unless I'm reading the code wrong, I don't think that they should take damage while flying over the water unless it is raining.'

Trinity says to Kaige, 'If you use that arguement then rush lights should go out when sailing'

Trinity winks suggestively at Kaige.

Faith says to Ea!, 'just seems totally silly, you're standing inside a TREE and yet you're not connected to the earth?'

Rush goes EEK! at Trinity in distress - isn't Trinity an awful person for teasing?

Faith says to Trinity, 'dont give them any ideas'

Rush giggles.

Trinity says to Rush, 'ermmm.....the bundle of sticks, not your lights'

Trinity smiles at Rush.

Rimenshi says, 'hehe maybe they are SCARED of the water'

Sandra says to Trinity, 'if we had object acts, they would ;)'

Faith giggles at Rimenshi.

Ea! says to Faith, 'Well, but if we tried to model the world to that level of reality, it'd take forever for builders to build anything.'

Rush pouts at Sandra.

Trinity smiles at Sandra.

Retribution says to Kaige, 'yeah but if a little rain doesnt hurt salamanders then a little sea-spray shouldnt'

Faith giggles at Ea!.

Faith says to Ea!, 'and it doesnt now?'

Rush says, 'I still like the idea of not allowing people to carry boats'

Faith is still waiting for the new hell.

Faith winks suggestively at Ea!.

Ea! says to Faith, 'right, well, imagine it being two hundred times slower.'

Faith giggles.

Rimenshi nods his agreement with Rush.

Retribution says, 'how about making the damage they take a little lower so im not wasting hundreds of mana a tick :P'

Kaige says, 'looking closer at the code, Yeah.. it'd depend on how close they were to the water'

Room Flags/Characteristics?

Faith says to Ea!, 'I can understand what you're talking about..quick question about your building code?'

Faith says to Ea!, 'are your rooms set up that you can pick a "setting" or "type" and can you configure those settings?'

Kaige says, 'pick from a bunch of characteristics that the "space" has'

Faith nods her agreement with Kaige.

Faith says, 'then why couldnt you add one that is outdoor but covered? like the druids tree would be?'

Rush says, 'or some caves'

Faith says, 'I dont know how hard or easy that would be, I've just worked with the building files before and know that the specs are there, I dont know about the details involved within the specs'

LadyAce says, 'could be useful -- we only have indoor and then a big list of types of outdoor'

LadyAce says, 'the way we do building is 100% custom, tho, so I'm not sure if what you've seen applies?'

Faith says, 'indoor: with open roof (air, sunlight, dark, ect) Indoor: with ground floor'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'yes it's custom, but the bones and skeleton are similar, not exact'

Kaige says, 'we also have a limited number of slots for those two, so we pick the ones we add carefully to make sure they're useful. We did just add one for stables, so you could take your mounts into them.. but seems like a slightly different defintion of the flag'

Faith nods her agreement with Kaige.

Faith says to Kaige, 'so there is a max limit of flags allowed per room?'

Faith says to Kaige, 'flags/room types/acts/ ect ect'

Kaige says, 'not per room, but they're stored as bits, so 32 is a hard limit without setting aside that much memory again'

Faith nods her agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says, 'I need to fix that at some point.'

Kaige says, 'the limit on the room is only limited by what exists'

Retribution says to Ea!, 'your list keeps on growing doesnt it :)'

Kaige says, 'it's long.'

Faith says to Ea!, 'you're going to die sitting at your computer you keep that up.'

Kaige comforts Ea!.

Ea! says to Retribution, 'Well, that one has been on it for a while.'

Ea! says to Faith, 'Heh. My list here is small compared to work!'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Faith giggles at Ea!.

Faith says to Ea!, 'that's the point, when AREN'T you on the computer?'

Ea! says, 'Actually, that's not really true. It's just that the stakes are higher at work.'

Clients & Spam Filters?

Faith wants a spam guard type deal, different windows for channels/tells/gtells so I can resize and read everything at leisure.

Kaige says, 'rapscallion for the Mac does that nicely... maybe a windows client that does too'

LadyAce says to Faith, 'you might be able to get tiny fugue to do that, too.'

Faith says to Kaige, 'I havent found one that works that way that I can use.'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'I've never used tiny fugue and wouldnt even BEGIN to know how to configure it'

Ea! says, 'afk a couple.'

LadyAce says to Faith, 'no pain, no gain? :)'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'that pain costs me my computer, I spent almost 2 weeks rebuilding/reseting everything last time I tried to do something like that'

Questions about Corpses

Retribution says, 'hmmm is a corpse considered an object?'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'it's a special container type even'

Retribution says, 'so in effect I can use the transparency spell to fade corpses?'

Rush says, 'about corpses I have a questions'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Rush.

Rush says, 'it says i can't get a corpse of like, a rabbit, when I have 100 str'

Rush says, 'is there a reason why we aren't supposed to be able to get little corpses'

Faith says to Retribution, 'I know there is a spell that can fade corpses, or there use to be.'

LadyAce says to Rush, 'most corpses are ungettable as a blanket thing'

Kaige says to Rush, 'basically because mobs don't have a size associated with them to carry over to their corpse'

Rush nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Rush, 'it's not that we have a bunch of code to do it and we refuse to :) we just don't have any tools to be that specific'

Rush says, 'i remember as a newbie thinking how cool it would be when i could pick up corpses'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'did they fix that with fly corpses then? I know you use to be able to pick up their corpses'

Kaige says, 'some of the builders have made special objects that replace the regular corpse like the ducks in egypt, but then that brings their own set of confusions'

Rush says, 'but isn't a big deal, just would be fun'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Rimenshi says, 'a lot of work for a lot of stinky players'

Rimenshi says, 'carrying around corpses, indeed'

Faith giggles at Rimenshi.

Rimenshi grins evilly at Faith.. wonder what he's thinking...

Retribution says, 'they called mundanes, then you too can have your very own corpse to carry around'

Rimenshi says, 'hadnt thought of that'

Faith snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'also won't go poof on ya'

Rush says, 'that reminds me'

Retribution says, 'they do when you give them to homunculi :P'

Retribution pouts.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Rush.

Kaige comforts Retribution.

Rush says, 'is there any discussion of making it so elementals/anything summoned drops stuff when they return to their own plane?'

Trinity chuckles politely.

Faith says, 'good question..'

Retribution says to Rush, 'Im a vocal person in favor of that :)'

Rush says, 'i mean, if i was an angel, i wouldn't carry a bunch of swords and crap back with me'

Trinity says, 'I kinda wondered why my angels were concerned with earthly possessions.'

Kaige says, 'perhaps to make you take better care of them?'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Trinity laughs.

Kaige says, 'not an official answer. just mine'

Trinity says to Kaige, 'touche'

Faith chuckles politely.

Sandra says, 'yea, get them killed before they poof!'

Sandra throws her head back and cackles gleefully!

Rush giggles.

Faith snickers at Sandra nastily.

Rimenshi says, 'same reason we like to bow to each other in this text based program...interest'

Retribution says, 'at least I can kill my dmeons to get their stuff, its the homunculi that are the bane of my existence'

Delandel says to Retribution, 'that's what you get for being 3rd circle'

Bug with Bags on Floor?

Rush says, 'is the deal with bags on the floor a bug?'

Ea! says, 'Where 2. and 1. are inconsistant and get confused if you have a bag in your inv and all that? Yeah, it's a bug.'

Ea! says, 'just a pain to fix.'

Rush says, 'okie'

Trinity nods her agreement with Ea!.

Rush says, 'annoying as hell when your bag is a box'

Rush waves a LegendMUD lunchbox.

Faith nods her agreement with Rush.

Trinity has junked bags before because of that.

Trinity sighs at herself. What a sorry sight.

Faith has too.

Faith shudders.

Rush nods solemnly.

Rush says, 'l i bag? oh it's empty ... junk bag ... DEAR GOD I JUST JUNKED MY OLD SATCHEL WITH !( COUPONS!'

SOCIAL BAG; if (right_bag) junk bag; else social 2.bag

Retribution nods his agreement with Rush.

Faith winces.

Faith whimpers softly.

Faith did that once.

Sandra says, 'I used to junk bags of clan tokens all the time'

Faith shudders.

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce still junks bags she meant to keep :P

Rush giggles.

Kaige finds a slot to wear those in.

Kaige pats a special bag affectionately.

Faith giggles at Kaige.

Retribution says, 'I gave up junking bags, I drop them for some lowbie to scavenge'

Rush giggles at Retribution.

Sandra says, 'I just make my bag bigger.'

Faith says to Kaige, 'YOU can'

Sandra pats a bottomless pit affectionately.

Rush giggles at Sandra.

Kaige nods her agreement with Faith.

PK Incentive Thread?

Thundarr says to LadyAce, 'has Saga's thread been discuessed yet? pk points'

LadyAce says to Thundarr, 'no one's brought it up, no'

Thundarr says, 'consider it on deck =P'

Ea! says, 'the main problem is still identifying a "win" and a "loss" in the code. Is it a win if you were wolf packed by 5 people? If you only have 5 hp left before the combat started?'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Ea!.

Faith nods her agreement with Ea!.

Thundarr says, 'but then you are worth zero points for the next 50 ticks'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'or you could make a duel command'

Rush looks up into the sky and ponders.

Thundarr says, 'and you only get points for winning duels'

Thundarr shrugs philosophically.

Rush says, 'what if it was equal points to win or lose'

Thundarr says, 'then how do you keep score'

Rush says, 'and then a hella long tick timer when you couldn't get more points'

Thundarr laughs.

Faith says, 'so, an action command like "duel person" and you would gain/lose points for that person?'

Rush says, 'the point is to encourage pk'

Rush says, 'not make it quake'

Ea! says to Thundarr, 'If we made a duel command we'd hear hell about how we were killing old-style "jump" pkill.'

Thundarr says to Faith, 'yes if they type accept duel something like that'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Ea!.

Thundarr says, 'true dat'

Faith nods her agreement with Ea!.

Faith says to Ea!, 'you hear that now'

Thundarr says, 'i know its old idea, how about an arena, you only get poitns in there'

Sandra wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Trinity wrinkles her nose with distaste.

Kaige says, 'so who gets stopped with a prompt when you have to sit and wait for someone to type ACCEPT DUEL and how much is THAT gonna get abused?'

Faith nods her agreement with Kaige.

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'Hey, I'm behind ya 100% but its useless.'

Faith says, 'we have an arena, it's called PK tourneys'

Thundarr says, 'if enough players want it, its worth discussing right>?'

Sandra says, 'I'm all for more pk. I just don't think either of those will help it'

Delandel says to Sandra, 'Maybe lower the xp value of dying would'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'what would get you to pk more?'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'ya the cost vs reward xp-wise is wack for pk'

Rush says, 'the xp loss isn't tht bad'

Sandra says to Thundarr, 'I dunno. I've grown pretty bored of it in general'

Faith says to Sandra, 'if it could be figured, I think some way to benifit pk'ers, or give them incentive would help, it doesnt have to be huge'

Rush says, 'annoying'

Sandra says, 'pk was never about xp'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Sandra.

Thundarr says, 'das true too'

Retribution says, 'from my observations into the pk world, it appears to me, while there are a few problems with the current system, it is mostly the so called old skool pkers whos attitudes are ruining pk, not the system'

Delandel says to Sandra, 'not to gain xp, but rather make the loss less.'

Faith says to Sandra, 'then why cant you take out xp gain/loss in pk totally?'

Retribution says, 'stop trying to implement new ideas for pk and work to root out the bad parts'

Sandra says to Faith, 'if we take out the loss, then there's little risk involved. The risk is part of the fun'

Thundarr says, 'has to be xp loss otherwise itd be a gank fest'

Thundarr says, 'like on test mud'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Sandra.

Faith says, 'true'

Kaige nods her agreement with Thundarr.

Rush says, 'i disagree with that'

Rush says, 'the xploss never worried me much'

Thundarr says, 'how about adding in points for a pk info/kill, but have them do nothing EXCEPT modify YOUR xp value when PKED?'

Rush says, 'just dying to another player sucks'

Trinity says, 'What's an info/kill?'

Thundarr says to Ea!, 'so if i have lots of infos, i am worth more xp to kill?'

Rush says, 'dun wanna do that for the fact of it, not because of xp'

Trinity is completely boggled.

Thundarr says, 'killing blow on a pc'

Barabas nods his agreement with Thundarr.

Thundarr says, 'then that pc is worht zero points for 25 ticks'

Kaige says, 'then we get back to what do multi's do to that.'

Thundarr says, 'so multi gets you nohting'

Trinity says, 'Why is it called an info/kill and not just a kill?'

Thundarr says to Kaige, 'and 10 tick timer have a mob death'

Straussy nods his agreement with Thundarr.

Thundarr says, 'so no killing at 1 hp'

Faith says to Kaige, 'maybe tick base it, 0 pt effect for 50 or so ticks after death?'

Thundarr says to Trinity, 'info kill whichever, basically the killing blow on a pc'

Faith says to Kaige, '0 pt and maybe 0 xp so someone who multi's you gets no benefit from it either'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'so no rewards for having tons of points, zero, except you are woth more xp to others'

Thundarr says, 'leave death xp as is?'

Thundarr says, 'thoughts from imms?'

Straussy says, 'I dont think multi'ing is a problem anymore'

Delandel is completely boggled.

Delandel says to Straussy, 'think again'

Faith says to Thundarr, 'they're quiet, it means they're either laughing so hard they cant type, or discussing it on IMM channels'

Ea! looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ea! says, 'I'm not sure. I need to think about it.'

Thundarr beams delightedly.

Thundarr says, 'obviously thered be caps and stuff to work out'

Faith says to Delandel, 'it is no where near as bad of a problem as it use to be'

Delandel says to Straussy, 'my alts have been multied by other people'

Delandel nods his agreement with Faith.

Thundarr says, 'multi would get you 1 pt for first kill but then zero more anyway'

Thundarr says, 'so this woudl neither help nor hinder that issue'

Thundarr says, 'and if you get a 10 tick zero point timer for npc deaths thats fixed too'

Faith says to Delandel, 'so have mine, but multi's are not nearly as big a problem as the total lack of action over all'

Thundarr nods his agreement with Faith.

Ea! says, 'I suspect that the details will make it hard.'

Delandel rolls his eyes heavenward.

Thundarr says, 'ya plus, and i know the imms might agree, the population here is getting old(er?)'

Thundarr says, 'heck we all have jobs and wives and kids now'

Faith chuckles politely.

Thundarr says, 'and less free time to sit and wait for pk'

Straussy says, 'not yet!'

Kaige ruffles Straussy's hair playfully.

Faith says to Thundarr, 'doesnt mean they're getting wiser!'

Faith grumbles.

Rush wants a wife.

Kaige nods her agreement with Rush.

LadyAce says, 'could make it like praise somewhat -- put a value on diversity instead of duplication'

Kaige says, 'me too'

Thundarr says, 'in college id play for hours on end, now its like ooc while at work ooc, maybe 30 mins here and there ta home'

Rush giggles at Kaige.

Rush nods her agreement with Thundarr.

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Rush says, 'i am here way too much'

Faith would be happy with someone who helped out around the house a bit.

Faith snickers softly.

Rush says, 'my grades and housekeeping hurt for it'

Rush giggles.

Straussy says to Rush, 'stay in school ;)'

Thundarr says, 'do drugs'

Klein Update?

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'ya, klein update, is it a myth or reality?'

LadyAce says, 'reality, just haven't published any of the changes I've made lately.'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'right after trees'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'you know 1.5 years ago I asked about getting a house there from you... and nothing.'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, it's taken a long time.'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'why not?'

Delandel nods his agreement with Thundarr.

Faith says to LadyAce, 'are they still in testing?'

LadyAce says, 'it's not in testing at the moment, it's still in development'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'So any more predictions on housing in klein?'

LadyAce says, 'I just haven't had a lot of time to devote to it'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'DELEGATE MORE! you got a huge dept, let them take care of some of the pr stuff, BUILD!'

LadyAce giggles.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Faith's head.

Faith ducks behind Kaige to hide.

LadyAce says, 'well, if it were that easy :)'

Faith giggles.

Faith nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Delandel says, 'And you can't use "Rome wasn't built in a day" as an excuse...'

Delandel holds for laughter and applause.

Faith pats Delandel on the head.

Delandel sighs loudly.

Sandra says, 'it wasn't. It's still being built ;)'

Faith giggles at Sandra.

Kaige says, 'nope. we can't claim rome was built in a day here...'

Kaige says, 'not even Roman Britain.'

Thundarr bounces around.

LadyAce says, 'I do have to prioritize PR work, but I do still work on Klein when I have the opportunity. I simply haven't had much opportunity, particularly in the last 4 months.'

Faith chuckles politely.

Faith nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Kaige says, 'I think the fastest one was the original Sherwood at 2 weeks.'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'and it is coming up on a busy time of the year for PR, with the next few months all having big events typically worked in'

LadyAce says, 'I've been looking forward to the slow season at work, which I'm hoping is upon me now.'

LadyAce says to Faith, 'my busy time at work is generally june-oct, which is fortunate, considering the timing of the hot events season :)'

Faith nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Faith says to LadyAce, 'I always pity you starting mid to late Oct and lasting thru March'

LadyAce says to Faith, 'not very many breaks in activity, true enough :)'

Faith says to LadyAce, 'next month is the fullest event calender I've seen in a LONG time'

LadyAce says to Faith, 'yea, I've got my work cut out for me.'

LadyAce says to Faith, 'can you tell my busy season is over? :)'

Faith giggles at LadyAce.

Faith nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'I'll get sucked away come May ish or so :( but 'til then, I think I'm here for real'

Changes to Healing in PK

Delandel says, 'how about that whole post about poulticing in PK'

Thundarr throws his head back and cackles gleefully!

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'that was my question'

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'and cure crits'

Delandel sticks his tongue out at everyone! =P

Sandra says, 'we've been discussing poulticing a little bit'

Thundarr says, 'cure crits are hp per mana, should not be changed'

Thundarr says, 'poultice is 35 mana for 60-130 hp, hence the problem for only 60 spir+'

Rush says, 'I think poulting should be left alone'

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'what about people who have 300 mana and are fighters'

Faith says, 'dont mess with poultices anymore!'

Faith grumbles.

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'to cure crit well you sacrifice 90+ mind'

Sandra says, 'but honestly. I'm of the mind that I won't agree to a single change to any healing skill unless: perc and spirit are made usefull to ALL characters, and ingame healing is also reduced'

Barabas says, 'cure crit should be lowered.. healers should be surgeons and druids'

Delandel nods his agreement with Thundarr.

Barabas shrugs helplessly.

Barabas says, 'and I do it all the time'

Delandel says to Barabas, 'you also have too much con'

Delandel says to Barabas, 'so you don't heal that much'

Delandel says to Sandra, 'you don understand, that for example sibwarra'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'so thats the word, no changes to poultice on the horizon?'

Sandra says, 'that's my word. Not THE word'

Delandel says to Sandra, 'if he went PK, he heals 130hp he could infinitely out tank anything.... in PK and eventually win.'

Rush says, 'so steal his dert'

Delandel giggles at Straussy.

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'like herbewst or edric-wulf chars'

Delandel says to Straussy, 'its on my calendar.'

Ea! says, 'I'm not really sure where the idea that a change to poultice was coming came from... I think it's been a while since we've talked about it. Mostly, there are bigger fish to fry.'

Faith says to Delandel, 'not true, keep him on his arse or steal the dert, or blind, ect you can stop him from healing'

Straussy says to Delandel, 'it is?'

Sandra says, 'I do understand. I have alot of different chars and have played just about everything there is =P I still stand by what I said'

Rush nods her agreement with Faith.

Delandel nods his agreement with Straussy.

Delandel says to Straussy, 'or now it is...'

Delandel giggles.

Faith says to Straussy, 'mine is just a few days earlier, it's not there either, dont feel alone'

Rush says, 'I lose to augmentors but not any worse than any other chartype'

Delandel says to Faith, 'not everyone has steal'

Thundarr ruffles Rush's hair playfully.

Faith says to Delandel, 'not everyone can heal'

Retribution says, 'leave poultice alone, 60 spir augments are just nasty and I like my druids 100spi 120hp augments'

Rush says, 'if I recally, I hurt edric pretty bad'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'i feel for you, 2c creates are hurting'

Delandel says to Faith, 'most can'

Faith says to Delandel, 'that is the benifit/downside to character choice'

Delandel nods his agreement with Thundarr.

Sandra says, 'they are?'

Thundarr says to Retribution, 'think it was only pk changes, i.e. applying your own poultices to yourself with a pk timer active'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'pkwise'

Delandel says to Faith, 'look most PKers out there are either pure hitters, con snipers, druids and 3c mages'

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'dops as usual help for mob kill, your mobs withstanding'

Faith says to Delandel, 'you want to heal, create a character type that can heal, I have a dexie/perc alt who slaughters another mage she pk's with'

Retribution says, 'augmentors aint invincible, so leave em the way they are'

Thundarr says, 'ya bind is nice if they are ill-preparied'

Rush nods her agreement with Retribution.

Straussy says, 'well no char type is invincible..'

Faith nods her agreement with Thundarr.

Rush says, 'bind if the devil'

Sandra says, 'you just need to know how to fight a druid.'

Delandel says to Faith, 'I want to make any type of character and have a chance to kill any other'

Rush stomps around.

Faith nods her agreement with Sandra.

Retribution nods his agreement with Sandra.

Faith says to Delandel, 'you cant, and you do if you play it smart'

Sandra says, 'afk a min'

Delandel says to Sandra, 'have the @ command?'

Faith says to Delandel, 'errrr..you CAN'

Faith slaps her typing

Rush says, '@ command?'

Delandel says, 'the one where they're not in your room but they hug you'

Haley slowly fades into thin air.

Faith says to Delandel, 'I've seen surgeons win in pk, and they are the weakest fighter types currently'

Delandel says, 'so you're not in their room but you headbutt them'

Ea! says, 'that'd be "at" not "@"'

LadyAce says to Haley, 'somethin went wrong with that unpurge'

Rush giggles at Faith.

Delandel says to Ea!, 'stands for the same'

Ea! says, '@ is what is used to call editting commands within the editor.'

Faith says to Rush, 'nothing personal'

Thundarr says, 'any new code going in any time soon, like new spells skills etc?'

Delandel says, 'But can any IMMS please respond to my shpiel about the 130hp augmentor with 650+ mana who can heal and run infinitely'

Ea! says, 'Nothing big and new planned at the moment.'

Retribution says, 'jesus I dont use half the spells I have, dont put any more in :P'

Rush says to Faith, 'oh, of course ... I know how wweak I am :P lol'

Faith snickers at Retribution nastily.

Kaige says, 'other than what Sandra said, I'd only add trip them?'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'basically you cant beat that kinda char if you chase'

Faith says to Rush, 'so are all of my surgeons, I make surgeons to heal, if I want a fighter I'll make a fighter'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'its trap them or reject them'

Kaige hates being set to sitting.

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'I hate rejecting people'

Rush says, 'is fun to to try to pk with this me'

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'I only reject people when they completely ruin the game for me.'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'learn all the no flee rooms, and incite'

Faith nods her agreement with Kaige.

Retribution says, 'err I watched a con sniper run a high spirit dex augementor out of mana and herbs'

Retribution says, 'the sniper won that one'

Delandel says to Retribution, 'bad augmentor?'

Retribution says to Delandel, 'no, just a persistant sniper'

Rimenshi says, 'quick question, sniper meaning an actual rifle? or a flee/backstab attacker? sorry folks'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'big bag stabs and high hp can be tough for dex druids'

Delandel says to Retribution, 'I bet you he used all in game heals possible and cured fish'

Retribution nods his agreement with Delandel.

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'you can't have a big backstab and have high hp, trust me'

Retribution says, 'yer silly if you dont use the healing'

Kaige says to Rimenshi, 'I STILL say a backstab/flee attacker is a thief type, not a "sniper" but then I'm pendantic that way'

Retribution says, 'hell my augmentor uses the healing'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says, 'me, too!'

Straussy nods his agreement with Kaige.

Faith says, 'but the tumble ratio for that spell sucks horribly'

Rimenshi says, 'I agree, I was actually asking what you peopl emeant by a sniper'

Ea! says, 'Some day, I'll make snipers and thieves different!'

Rimenshi says, 'for all I know you have sniper rifles here'

Rush cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Ea! says, 'Or someone else will!'

Faith giggles at Ea!.

Delandel says to Kaige, 'I could beat any backstab flee char, just because its easy to incite them'

Faith says to Rimenshi, 'they do'

Rimenshi says, 'figured'

Rimenshi grins evilly.

Faith says to Delandel, 'low con dexie, learns headbutt, incited headbutt stuns themself outta incite and flee's'

Kaige says to Rimenshi, 'actually no items with keyword sniper'

Kaige giggles.

Retribution says, 'my con cause died to an incited sniper once'

Retribution says, 'it comes down to karma'

Faith nods her agreement with Retribution.

Thundarr nods his agreement with Retribution.

Retribution says, 'every shot stunned or knocked me down'

Delandel says to Faith, 'its not that easy, its tough to stun yourself'

Retribution says, 'anyone can die if the dice are against them'

Delandel says to Faith, 'did it to drakkon the other day'

Thundarr says, 'ya karrion got 5 paras in like 6 backstabs last week, this week i won'

Rush nods her agreement with Retribution.

Thundarr shrugs philosophically.

Faith says to Delandel, 'yeah, but it is easy to stun yourself on backlash spells..it is all a matter of karma as they said'

Faith nods her agreement with Thundarr.

Faith says to Thundarr, 'I watched those fights'

Faith shudders.

Delandel says, 'but I'm saying you can't beat an augmentor I want a real response, sandra just complained about the work she has to do.'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'that is correct, your char probably cant'

Faith says to Delandel, 'you CAN beat an augmentor, I've seen it happen many times'

Retribution says, 'you can beat augementors'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'but str/2c create is weak period'

Rush says, 'and if you can't then learn new tactics'

Delandel says to Faith, 'I've beat a real augmentor once'

Rush says, 'or accept that your chartype has a weak spot'

Faith says to Delandel, 'I've known augmentors who cant win in pk for anything, heck MY augmentor dies in pk everytime she tries'

Retribution says, 'my 450hp str hitter beat a dex augmentor'

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'I like my style and I'll be damned if code changes make me change characters'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'next time just go sit in a no flee room'

Thundarr says to Delandel, 'if they come in, you win!'

Retribution says, 'but of course it cant be done, if you stand around waiting for them to come to you'

Delandel says to Thundarr, 'if they have a gun, I'm screwed'

Faith says to Delandel, 'every character type CAN beat every other character type, it is just a matter of skill and luck'

Thundarr says, 'tara chars <> gun users'

Retribution says, 'giving chase is the key, dont give them a chance to flee and augment'

Thundarr says, 'maybe a bow, but if they have high prec and spir and dex, they have like 300 hp'

Faith nods her agreement with Retribution.

Thundarr says, '2 bashes'

Delandel says to Faith, 'no that's not true'

Faith says to Delandel, 'that IS true'

Faith says to Delandel, 'there is no all might all powerful character type, it is a matter of skill, knowledge, and luck'

Rush says, 'knowledge is a big part of it'

Faith says to Delandel, 'there are some that are better yes, but there are none that are unbeatable'

Thundarr says to Faith, 'did you see karrion and my fight today?'

Rush says, 'knowning the little tricks like healing stones and stuff'

Delandel says to Faith, 'hehe ever see a create mage make you walk into all his charmies which are sunk and beat you in 2 rounds?'

Faith shakes her head.

Faith says to Thundarr, 'not today, I took a nap'

Thundarr says to Faith, 'he made 4k gold the hard way =P'

Faith says to Delandel, 'my dex beat a create mages arse earlier'

Faith giggles at Thundarr.

Retribution says, 'creates are in no way overpowered'

Delandel says to Faith, 'he won't beat krynn'

Thundarr says to Retribution, '3c con is ok'

Retribution says, 'dispel vials, blinding flash'

Delandel says to Retribution, 'they aren't'

Retribution says, 'ring of fire'

Delandel says to Retribution, 'I love creates'

Thundarr says to Retribution, 'but thats due tothe flaw in calm/inspire having the same dang timer'

Pyrazinamide smiles happily.

Faith says to Delandel, 'nope, because Krynn is good at what he does, that doesnt make the character type over powered, it makes Krynn a freak'

Retribution says, 'max wimpy'

Thundarr says to Retribution, 'i just hang in sidhe land'

Thundarr laughs.

Thundarr says, 'incite/calm/incite/calm/incite/dead'

Bug with Gust of Wind?

Faith says, 'OH!'

Faith says, 'THAT REMINDS ME!'

Kaige giggles.

Faith says, 'I do have one bitch'

Straussy raises his eyebrow at Faith.

Faith says, 'why does gust of wind ALWAYS set you to sitting! no matter what damage level it hits for?'

Thundarr says to Faith, 'get a sink?'

Faith says, 'it does 1 pt to me, that is a TICKLE why does it set me on my arse?'

Thundarr says to Faith, 'sloth does the same thing'

Faith says to Thundarr, 'sloth should, it is making you lazy, gust of wind is suppose to be a wind slap, but if it just tickles with 1 pt it should NOT set a 700+ tank on their arse'

Ea! says, 'Think of it as you managing to only take one point of damage because you broke your fall somehow.'

Straussy says, 'or think of it as a gust of wind knocking you down... nothing really to hurt you but something to put you on your ass'

Thundarr says to Faith, 'be glad it didnt do 50and sit'

Faith says to Thundarr, 'it can'

New Weapons Soon?

Thundarr says to Sandra, 'any new q5 weapons going in soon!?'

Thundarr bounces around.

Thundarr looks up into the sky and ponders.

Thundarr nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sandra says to Thundarr, 'no new weapons in the works'

Thundarr frowns.

Thundarr says, 'you know i hate to hear that'

Additional Topics Answered

Also, some of the builders will often have some feedback on suggestions and typos that get reported with some of their reasoning for why things are the way they are or won't be incorporated into the areas.

General Suggestions/Questions

o Mobs should not mess up repairs if they cant fix them.

Your best bet will always be to go find a player who has the skill. it's part of the price you pay for the convenience and the risk you take.

o What happens if the mud crashes while a mob that can fix your item has it? Does that mean you lose the item? or not?

Yes, this is the same as if a player who could fix it had it and they hadn't saved and it is a hard crash. Unfortunately, we can't predict or plan for crashes, so again, you're safer finding and paying another player for this type of service.

o It would be spiffy if experience rolled over when one levelled =) So if it takes 100xp to level, and you get 1000xp, 900 would go towards the *new* level.

We used to do it this way. However, powerlevelling was even more of a problem then. Get a huge mob down to dying, send the newbie in and hope they get a killing blow and presto, multiple levels.

o How about make lying down another snipe position but a higher chance of snipe... maybe more aim messages or something.

Our currently lying down position isn't one where you are prone, it's lying down relaxing, like on your back or side and therefore would probably reduce your chances for a snipe instead of increasing them.

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