March 21st, 2002

Scavenger Hunt Results

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'who won the Scavenger Hunt last night?'

LadyAce says, 'Still totalling, I'll try to post it tonight.'

LadyAce says, 'didn't get free time at lunch today to do it'

Adamar says, 'did anybody get all the items?'

LadyAce says, 'No, I don't think so'

LadyAce says, 'or at least, no one said they did'

LadyAce giggles.

Spellcasting Contest Location?

Adamar says, 'i have question on the spell casting thing'

Adamar says, 'contest'

Adamar says, 'where ishte spell casting contest going to be held'

Isam says, 'ask the player running it?'

Isam snickers softly.

Adamar says, 'i don't see the player, so i figure i ask the imm judge'

Isam nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'I imagine Skar will say when he starts it, I don't happen to know.'

Isam says, 'don't mind me.'

Adamar shrugs helplessly.

Embeth says, 'you could mudmail him, or post it to the thread about it?'

Inn/Bank in Antioch?

Sabastian says, 'not sure who i should be directing this towards...'

Sabastian says, 'but it seems to me that a city as fortified as Antioch would have an inn, or other place to sleep... and maybe a well'

Sabastian smiles happily.

Isam says, 'it does, doesn't it?'

Embeth says, 'antioch doesn't have an inn, but Mosul and Akka do'

LadyAce says, 'Antioch is mine, part of Crusades.'

Isam says, 'i'm not clear on whitch City is antioch'

Sabastian says, 'the one with the "antioch guards" in it :)'

Sabastian smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'it's a really small place, just not largely done. It could have tons more stuff to make it more of a city, it just doesn't (I ran out of room)'

Embeth says to Isam, 'the one north of the dragon's cave'

LadyAce says, 'I agree that it'd be a nice place to expand someday.'

Isam says, 'oh, right'

Embeth says, 'roughly'

Isam says, 'i didnt even realize that was a city'

Isam says, 'so small...'

LadyAce says, 'it's more like a fort atm :)'

Axis says to LadyAce, 'There does need to be a bank in mosul though'

Sabastian says, 'in history it was a grand city :)'

LadyAce says, 'lotsa walls and castle/stronghold.'

Sabastian smiles happily.

LadyAce says, 'It's actually against Islam to have a bank'

Axis says, 'or at least remove the tunnel room between it and the banker'

Axis goes ACK TTTTHHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTT!

Axis says, 'then remove the tunnel room!'

Ruby says, 'tunnel rooms are good'

LadyAce says, 'so I can't put a bank in a purely Islamic city like that.'

Isam says, 'I have a question about crusades, but you probably can't answer it, hehe'

Embeth says, 'I manage to get to either the crusades banker or another banker without a problem after mosul, no matter which me I am.'

Sabastian says, 'well, my thought having been shared - i believe i'll return to prefecting my skills'

Sabastian smiles happily.

Sabastian ponders a shiny scalpel's existence.

Sabastian waves happily.

Axis says, 'I can only carry 3k gold at a time'

LadyAce says, 'the tunnel rooms are necessary to make the armies work right in keeping people out'

Embeth says, 'one of mine can only carry 2799 coins at a time. She manages without recalls.'

Axis says, 'then make it like alaskan fort'

LadyAce says, 'They don't want a big wad of people just wandering in and out of their military zone.'

Isam says, 'the tunnel rooms are fun'

Embeth says, 'can charmies be made to follow through tunnel rooms? Like the one-only ones.'

Axis says, 'where you can order your charmies to go through'

Embeth says, 'I mean the greaters ... not the lessers.'

LadyAce says, 'I think the area is ok making charmies hard to use. I talked to Sandra and she thought it was good to leave it in, for balance reasons.'

Ruby cheers for LadyAce - huzzah!

Axis loves ashimar

An aura of heavenly light appears above Axis's head.

Ruby says, 'down with charmies!'

Axis ducks to the ground.

Isam says, 'and creates won't fight me in there'

Isam sniffs sadly.

Embeth says, 'it's just a pain to ditch your greaters and regen if you want to kill somewhere else. Since we can only have one.'

Embeth says, 'when I killed with homunculi, it wasn't a problem. Cos I could have lots.'

Ruby says to Embeth, 'well create needs some sort of downfall'

Axis says, '35k+ gold in there and no way to take it to a bank'

Isam says to Axis, 'i carry it 12k at a time'

Spike says, 'it's called recall spell or potion'

Embeth says, 'buy recalls, use homunculi and ferry the cash through the tunnel room, lots of ways.'

What's Anatolia about?

Isam says, 'i have another question concerning crusades-- but i don't know if its answerable'

LadyAce says, 'you can go ahead and ask it ... it won't hurt, anyway.'

Isam says, 'ok'

LadyAce smiles at Isam.

Isam says, 'whats the point of the desert/maze in the far north?'

Isam says, 'it doesn't seem to lead to anywhere, the mobs are awfully tough for xp...'

LadyAce says, 'you mean Anatolia?'

Isam says, 'erhm'

Axis says, 'yes he does'

Isam says, 'with all the agg animals and such'

Isam says, 'i don't remember room names, on the other side of the mountains'

LadyAce says, 'there's housing there, and interesting food....'

Axis nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Isam says, 'ooh, housing?'

LadyAce says, 'it's also a goodplace for other people who might want to link to the area'

Embeth says, 'you mean the part near the slay room, or the part on the way to the tower?'

Isam says, 'i'll have to explore more'

Craven snickers softly.

LadyAce says, 'and a place for expansion'

Chunk nods his agreement with Axis.

LadyAce says, 'well, I'm assuming you mean Anatolia. If you mean past Mosul, there's a high-level zone up in the mountains'

Chunk grins evilly.

Isam says, 'past mosul is AT'

LadyAce says, 'the road is partially to separate the dangerous spot from the normaller area'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Isam says, 'i mean up north before mosul'

Axis says, 'he means antolia'

LadyAce says, 'then that's Anatolia, yea. Modern Turkey.'

Isam says, 'throug the mountains/past the previously buggy slay room'

Isam says, 'and i nearly had a heart attack when i ran into that room btw =P'

LadyAce says, 'good :)'

Axis licks Isam.

LadyAce winks suggestively at Isam.

Axis says, 'I love that room'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Axis's head.

Isam says, 'the info was even better'

Isam says, 'it said something like N$ for my name'

Isam grins evilly.

LadyAce says, '$N is imm building language for <>'

Isam nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Any Reloadable Quivers Yet?

Ruby says, 'Reloadable quivers gonna be in game this update?'

LadyAce says to Ruby, 'check welcome for updates status?'

Ruby says to LadyAce, 'March 8th says the code is done for them. I'm asking if any builders put them in yet'

LadyAce says, 'oh. Well, then it'd be in the building update post. I don't think we've had many if any of those ... so my guess is no....'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'did you notice any go by?'

Ruby bursts into tears.

Axis glares icily at the welcome board.

Ruby says, 'I want to string my quiver!'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'not yet.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Ruby sighs loudly.

Axis ponders stringable quivers.....

Ruby says to Axis, 'nice idea huh'

Isam says, 'if only my archer had coupons =P'

Isam says, 'but you'd have to get a restring every time you changed bow type'

Ruby says, 'if only I had a bow right now :P'

Kaige says to Isam, 'well not really unless you're changing between bow/heavycross bow, light cross bow/heka*chouch's* bow'

Isam says to Kaige, 'well, i tend to change between longbows/heka's bow'

Is 2C Create Changing?

Craven says, 'is 2nd circle create healing ever going to be changed or not asking when, asking IF. I've been waiting for what, 7 months now? If its not, then I might as well reequip, if not, then I'll keep waiting, but we get no updates and I would just like to know'

LadyAce says, 'I think that it's undetermined. We don't know IF or WHEN for sure.'

LadyAce says, 'any changes made might be to other chartypes too'

Craven says, 'so basically no?'

Craven says, 'I've sucked for 7 months waiting, I just want yes or no :P'

Craven says, 'is 2nd circle create worthless without augment going to continue or not :P'

Ea! says, 'I think we're leaning towards "no", but haven't decided for sure yet.'

Craven says, 'wish I was from tara...'

Isam says, 'you have doppels!'

Craven sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

Ruby says to Craven, 'oh god now we will have super con craven..'

Craven reports: 425/425 hp 442/473 mana 379/379 mv.

Craven says, 'pretty worthless in pk'

LadyAce says, 'I'd hold on to any old eq, but I wouldn't wait on changes.'

Isam snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'but 2nd circle with just barely qualifying for it is always going to be much "suckier" than fully committed 2nd circle.'

Craven says, 'its not much suckier'

Isam nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'its completely worthless'

Craven says, '2nd circle create without augment has about 3 or 4 useful spells'

Ruby does the not 2nd circle create dance.

Adamar looks up into the sky and ponders.

Craven says, 'dopples, cure poison, poison, and what, preserve maybe'

Spike chuckles politely at Ruby's feeble witticism.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Isam says to Craven, 'bflash'

Craven says, 'just thought I'd ask'

Ruby says to Craven, 'your forgetting orbs!'

Adamar says, 'balm?'

Craven says, 'yea, bflash is nice'

Craven says, 'balm is completely worthless with 50 mind'

Isam says, 'thats about it though'

Ruby says, 'balm = worthless x2'

Craven says, 'you basically heal the same with or without it'

Spike says, 'balm's nice if you have high mind'

Adamar nods solemnly.

Ruby says, 'so basicly if your from klien never ever go 2nd create'

Craven says, 'create's power was shifted to summons, which 2nd doesn't get...so I guess its off to be a con sniper, yippy'

Spike says to Craven, 'you shoulda been from tara then :p'

Craven says, 'I made this character 4 years ago, when create didn't suck'

Embeth says, 'for one spell, it's not worth going high mind.'

Craven says, 'sorry I couldn't see into the future :P'

Isam wonders exactly the klein dmaage bonus is...

Spike snickers at Craven nastily.

Ruby says to Isam, 'about 1/2% on every 100th hit'

Craven says, 'I adapted to no spam, this is unadaptable without dropping spells'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Isam see's str druids hit harder then him all the time.

Straussy says, 'create cant suck, it's compatible with anything'

Craven says, 'from what ea! has told me, the klien bonus's are basically non-existant'

Craven says, 'your headbutts do 5 damage instead of 2'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Er, that's not what I said.'

Craven says, 'it affects specials, not attacks'

Isam says, 'wooh'

Craven says, 'no, I'm interpretting what you said'

Isam goes ACK TTTTHHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTT!

Straussy holds Ea! back..

Craven says, 'never said it was a direct quote :)'

Isam says, 'ok, tara just rules then, all bow before the tarans.'

Ruby says, 'this one time at band camp....'

Isam nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Craven says, 'I still make fighters from klien on the off chance the bonus's are ever made worthwhile'

Spike snickers at Isam nastily.

Craven says, 'but I wouldn't hope on them helping you now'

Ruby says to Craven, 'naw fighters are better from London for parry'

Craven says, 'swords never parry anyway'

Ruby says, 'I can tell the diff...'

Ruby says, 'London helps.'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Isam says, 'i parry once in a blue moon'

Craven says, 'instead of getting hit for 26 from a dex fighter, you'll be hit for 22'

Craven says, 'go london :P'

Craven says, 'I'm just mad I was made worthless, don't mind me'

Craven is spiteful, thats all.

Isam says to Craven, 'i can understand that =P'

Craven says, 'my balm is more useful as a hand grenade :P'

Spike snickers softly.

Ruby cackles gleefully at Craven - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Spike jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Craven!

Craven says, 'I like giving it to sleeping people and watching it do 2 damage'

Isam says to Craven, 'of course, i think the starving rooters were a bit silly. but thats me.'

Spike says to Isam, 'that was fun!'

Craven says, 'roots did suck, the solution just sucks more for us, but its better for 3rd circle'

Embeth says, 'would it be worth making a reverse balm ... that slows healing rates?'

Ruby says to Embeth, 'thats 50mind balm. already in'

Spike says, 'though balm was made for 3c, in my opinion, so it should be a 3c spell'

Craven says, 'basically 3rd circle gained strength off of us little creates backs :P'

Isam nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'I agree, but I think they didn't want everyone to have bad cast levels'

Craven says, 'since starving for roots would have made balm a lot less effective'

Craven says, 'so you couldn't really use both'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven pokes the welcome board - It's dead, Craven.

Ruby says, 'bah just turn the summon butterfly spell into 3c balm :P'

Craven throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Craven says, 'but summon butterflies is useful!'

Ruby says, 'butterfly balm would be sweet'

Craven says, 'it pisses people off when you cast it, hehe'

Spike snickers softly.

Ea! says, 'Sorry -- had to run afk.'

Isam says, 'prestige, wooh'

Ruby says to Craven, 'no Aura sight pisses people off'

Craven says, 'yea well, so does butterflies'

Isam says, 'aura sight is a useful spell'

Ea! says to Embeth, 'It'd probably be worth your time investigating balm a bit.'

Ruby says, 'yeh I like that idea. turn 2nd circle healing back into roots and make summon butterfly into balm...'

Embeth says, 'a group of butterflies swarm around $N, making them feel better?'

Craven says, 'if butterflies was 2nd circle, I'd stay a mage and just run around butterfling everyone'

Spike laughs with amusement.

Isam snickers softly.

Ruby says, 'anyway afk'

Craven says, 'For the record, I hope to god you one day come to your senses and make 2nd circle create without augment feasible again, but if not, oh well, wait for trees which aren't ever going to be finished cuz they aren't worked on I guess :)'

Ea! says, 'I think we're more likely to change augment than 2nd circle create...'

Craven says, 'changing augment isn't going to make 2nd circle create feasible, but whatever :)'

Isam says, 'then you have the druids up in arms'

Isam snickers softly.

Embeth says, 'didn't roots get changed for two reasons ... one is the starving thing, but the other was people complaining the a starving create could eat 11 or something and heal too fast?'

Ea! says, 'but we don't really have much in the way of plans so far.'

Spike says, 'don't change augment!'

Ea! says, 'It was entirely because we didn't like people starving themselves to heal.'

Craven says, 'with the elimination of spam we cut the options of people and the diversity in half, we're slowly moving towards more and more cut and paste type chars'

Craven says, 'just the way the mud is heading I suppose'

Embeth says, 'ah, I thought it was in part a response to the complaints on the discussion board.'

Kaige says, 'why starve to heal when being starving slows healing othewise.'

Craven says, 'of course the less classes possible, the easier it is to balance'

Isam says to Craven, 'just be a str/con fight, and stay the same forever...well, wait, we got changed too'

Embeth says, 'I saw the complaints about creates healing too fast ... and thought they'll be changing roots soon. And roots were changed.'

Spike nods his agreement with Isam.

Spike says to Isam, 'all my str hitters are now str/dex :p'

Isam says to Spike, 'well'

Chunk looks up into the sky and ponders.

MCCP and Weird Messages on Login

Embeth says, 'why do I often get the message That character does not exist. Please choose 'Establish a new character.' when logging on?'

Kaige says, 'what client do you use? Zmud?'

Ea! says, 'I think that's a bug with the MCCP stuff, but I'm not sure.'

Embeth nods solemnly.

Isam says, 'your client is putting something in automatically most likely'

Embeth says, 'ver 6.26a, and I don't use auto login'

Kaige says, 'it might have something to do with the compression trying to negotiate.'

Ea! says, 'I have that problem with tf.'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Isam says, 'oh, i'm not using the compression, hehe'

Ea! says, 'haven't had a chance to figure it out, though.'

Kaige says, 'I'm not sure. but I get that sometimes if I try to go too fast with just raw telnet'

Ea! says to Isam, 'Of course, if you *were* we all might not have lagged out a minute ago.'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'yes, but the mud itself tries to see if you are'

Embeth says, 'well, I've tried waiting until the screen flow has stopped ... even walking away from the screen, so it's not that I'm going too fast.'

Craven says, 'just turn compression off, its easier'

Isam says to Ea!, 'hehe'

Ea! says to Craven, 'It's people like you that cause all the lag here.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Embeth.

Craven snickers at Ea! nastily.

Isam says, 'just wait till i have a create with 30 or so homo's running around'

Craven says, 'if compression worked right, maybe I'd use it :)'

Isam says, 'now thats lag'

Isam throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Craven says, 'I got sick of logging in to a screen of garbage 2/3rd's of the time'

Isam ducks to the ground.

Isam nods his agreement with Craven.

Isam says to Craven, 'thats beautifull isnt it.'

Ea! says to Craven, 'I believe that was a bug with an old version of zMud that Zugg fixed.'

Craven says, 'I'm useing 6.16, it did it with this'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Isam says, 'i don't get new versions of zmud, i'm too cheap'

Craven says, 'whatever the reason, its incredibly annoying'

Craven says, 'sides, the mud ran just fine before we imp'd compressoin, no reason it shouldn't now'

Ea! says, 'Well, no matter how good we are, we can't fix bugs in other people's programs.'

Craven says, 'routers have always been our enemy :)'

Craven says, 'but bandwidth hasn't been'

LadyAce says, 'but mccp helps us not be hurt so much by routers.'

Embeth says, 'to get rid of the screen garbage in zmud, you have to use the beta version, and if you're using an old version of windows you have to download lots of other stuff to make the new version work.'

Ea! says to Craven, 'We haven't had major router issues in a year or two -- pretty much since we got off sig.net. Since then, it's been bandwidth.'

Craven says, 'I'd rather lag then log into garbage'

Straussy peers at Craven, looking him up and down.

Craven says, 'besides, I only tend to lag from bandwidth problems when imms are updating their code :P'

Ea! says, 'Best to just upgrade.'

Craven says, 'THAT hurts...'

Craven says, 'if he ever takes it out of beta, I probably will'

Ea! says to Craven, 'We haven't had that problem since we left Wombat.'

Isam says, 'be happy, the other mud i play has these global saves every few ticks, its awfull'

Isam says, 'a good 20 second freeze is so nice while your trying to backstab someone'

Isam grumbles.

Isam grins evilly.

Quests/Items/LegendDB

Craven says, 'its more for rufus though'

Craven says, 'it sucks he made the old con dis ring the tarnished ring in a quest'

Craven says, 'for those of us who actually want a tarnished ring, its like pulling teeth to get :P'

Kaige eats Manannan Mac Lir's coat of twice smelted mail.

Craven says, 'cuz now everyone wants it for that damn con ring'

Craven says, 'if the ring is that powerful, just give it to the phantom or something :P'

LadyAce says, 'you can use idea to mention that to him ...he's sure to see it there when he's revising his areas'

Isam says, 'tarnished ring has stats?'

Isam snickers softly.

Kaige says, 'there's always mudmail too.'

LadyAce says, 'or send him mudmail if you like'

Craven says, 'it was +50 mana for 2 years before they changed it'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Craven says, 'still is'

Craven says, 'but noone uses it for the mana'

Craven says, 'they just do that quest'

Isam says, 'timed?'

Craven says, 'well not noone, but few'

Craven nods solemnly.

Isam says, 'someone told me if you dropp it, it poofs'

Craven snickers softly.

Ruby says, 'yeh Tarnished rings are way to hard to get'

Isam says, 'so i figured it was statless'

Craven says, 'I find it funny that newbies don't know it even has a value other then the con ring'

Craven says, 'my point exactly :P'

Kaige says, 'probably not listed with all of it at legenddb.com'

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Darla smiles happily.

Straussy says, 'yeah dont go to Legenddb.com'

Darla pounces on Spike, pushing him to the ground and snapping her teeth a hair's breadth above his neck.

Kaige waves a welcome to Darla. Hello!

Straussy says, 'its ooky'

Ruby says, 'heh legenddb is nice but people that use it exclusivly are silly'

Darla nods her agreement with Ruby.

Kaige nods her agreement with Ruby.

Isam says, 'its convenient'

Embeth says, 'it's in my files ... but only the old value.'

Isam shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I use legenddb all the time, its a good reference tool'

Isam nods his agreement with Craven.

Ruby says to Craven, 'but you mostly relie on knowledge.'

Kaige says, 'yeah tells me a lot of things to fix, not as good as Beam's page used to be tho.'

Craven says, 'I can tell you almost any item and its stats from any area 2 or more years old'

Straussy says to Craven, 'its a spoiler and ruins the game for any newbie who visits the page'

Craven says, 'but the new stuff...'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'gives me ideas on how to not set quests up.'

Kaige grins evilly.

Ruby grins evilly at Kaige.. wonder what he's thinking...

Isam says, 'hey'

Embeth says, 'some people think 'helping' newbies is to send them to the page for all their answers.'

Ruby says to Kaige, 'it's ok legenddb will never add anything new'

Craven says, 'think of legenddb as a compliment'

Straussy says to Ruby, 'cuz they're too busy fixing their mistakes'

Craven says, 'the information in legend is so vast we need a directory for it all'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'we get so many bug reports based on how it's set out there and not how it actually works. it's scary'

Darla says, 'that there is a legenddb shows the complexity of the mud'

Darla nods her agreement with Craven.

Straussy says, 'fixin or trippin over em..'

Isam says, 'people don't read the disclaimer'

Craven says, 'I think thats an imm conspieracy'

Isam snickers softly.

Craven says, 'I've never once seen an error on that site :P'

Isam says, 'dinner time'

Craven says, 'maybe some day I'll find one'

Isam waves happily.

Isam says, 'i have!'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, it bugs me to have to argue with someone whether or not something is a bug because legenddb says it works one way and then it doesn't'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Isam says, 'there quest info is allllllll wrong'

Spike blinks.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Isam nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Ruby says, 'ow btw. Did anyone ever look into the lost child quest in london? I couldn't get it to work. Big surprise Legenddb didn't help me either :P'

Isam waves happily.

Embeth says, 'it's funny when I auction something that's not on the site ... everyone asks for the stats.'

LadyAce says, 'sometimes it's just that they give the essential steps, not the "logic" of the quest.'

Darla says, 'ah'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'I found one problem with it and fixed it a while back.. '

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'so if the path chan, it seems illogical to people'

Straussy says to LadyAce, 'its just a legend spoiler'

Craven says, 'I thought london was getting revamped'

Kaige says, 'or miss an essential step... or get the wrong PERSON for that essential step'

Kaige giggles.

Ruby says to Kaige, 'within the last week?'

Craven says, 'why put a quest in an area that won't exist :P'

Kaige says to Ruby, 'nope. my parents have been here so I haven't done much this past week'

Straussy says, 'you would think it would be more fun to have hints or helpful clues instead of giving the walkthroughs'

LadyAce says, 'quests tell stories, they're not just a sequence of secret codes you utter to mobs...cutting out the intermediate steps that explain the logic makes than disappear'

Craven says to Straussy, 'not always'

Darla nods her agreement with Straussy.

Craven says to Straussy, 'you forget, some of us are powerplayers'

Craven says, 'I frankly don't pay attention to what they are saying for the most part'

Craven says, 'I look for key phrases and go on'

Darla says, 'it would be more fun to have the quest hints set up so that you only see part at a time.'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Straussy says, 'powerplayers arent stopped by anything'

Ruby says to Craven, 'unless isn't something cool like kudos'

Craven says, 'its all just for xp or for gear or a whois for me, not the story :P'

Darla says, 'then you could just use it to get started, or on some place where you are stuck, but still figure out the rest on your own'

Straussy says, 'well you're certainly a minority in that respect'

Craven says, 'says you'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Craven says, 'I don't have the patience for some of the quests you people dream up'

Craven says, 'I don't know how the FUCK anyone EVER figured out the earring quest'

Ruby says, 'bah for a place to get started just whois stick or someone like him :P'

Kaige says, 'but gee they did.'

Craven says, 'though quest clues tend to be more apparent these days'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'I'm not going to spend 4 RL weeks figuring out a quest for 100k xp'

Craven says, 'I could kill 2 klien guards instead'

Craven says, 'in 5 minutes'

Darla says, 'sometimes the quests just have no hints for starting them, or you get stuck on something where it is just the syntax of doing it'

Embeth says, 'maybe chars could convert current HPs into 'hint points' or something ... and get a hint from the mud in some of the trickier quests? say a quarter of your current hps, so you don't keep asking for hint after hint in the same quest?'

Kaige says, 'actually The first person figured it out in a few hours. we were there when he did it.'

Craven says, 'rachael?'

Straussy says, 'personally, I get to know the town im in or the area im in before I try to quest'

Kaige shakes her head.

Kaige says, 'Khelleck'

Craven says, 'well kaige, I guess some people are genius's'

Craven says, 'or INCREDIBLY lucky'

Craven says, 'because there are no clues for that damn quest'

Darla shakes her head in disagreement with Craven.

Ruby says, 'and some of us can't even spell :P'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Darla says, 'it isn't being smart, it is being able to think like the builder who made the quest'

Craven says, 'I've figured out quests'

Ruby says, 'god I never want to have to think like Ea!'

Ruby shudders.

Craven says, 'I remember doing a ton of them in crusades when it went in'

LadyAce says to Craven, 'I actually found hints for that quest after someone led me thru it :) (earring)'

Straussy says, 'not all of our quests are earring hard'

Craven says, 'but other areas I just genuinly don't like, like alaska, which I have no interest in the story or figuring them out myself'

Kaige says, 'it's also being willing to read what's out there in the area and being patient enough to not walk into an area and slaughter everything and expect the quest to leap out at you.'

Craven says, 'so I'd rather just go get step by step, assuming I want them'

Ea! says to Ruby, 'I'm not sure if I was just complimented or insulted....'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'compliment :)'

Sabrine nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Embeth, 'that would probably make it much harder for a builder to actually get a quest finished and in the game'

Embeth says to Kaige, 'well maybe up to three or four imms could do it ... and that way they could respond to the exact quest/hint needed.'

Ea! should work on Uruk some more.

Craven says, 'and some quests, like stupid timed quests, I'd rather know the exact stuff for'

Ruby says to Ea!, 'I got a question. just what the hell is Uruk?'

Straussy nods his agreement with Ea!.

Freeman says, 'gilamesh, uruk?'

Ea! says, 'It's an ancient Mesopotamian city.'

Ea! nods his agreement with Freeman.

Craven says, 'gilamesh sounds like a smurf'

Ruby says, 'drawing a blank....'

Ea! says, 'Gilgamesh.'

Sabrine says, 'mesopotamia.. fun!'

Ea! says, 'It's the first written epic.'

Freeman says, 'the story goes, the hero killed his best friend or something'

Ruby says, 'Anchient is good. not enough anchient'

Freeman says, 'some monster guy'

Sabrine nods her agreement with Ruby.

Craven says, 'god'

Ea! says, 'no, his best friend gets killed by the Great Bull of Heaven.'

Craven says, 'I need two of those damn con dis rings for my list that doesn't use spells'

Craven sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

Ruby winces in sympathy with Craven.

Freeman says, 'or is that the indian rama story'

Straussy says to Freeman, 'neither'

Ea! says, 'But when I put it in, it'll be pre-Enkidu. I'll add the main quest as an expansion. It'll start really small...'

Freeman says, 'oh enkidu'

Freeman says, 'marduk and stuff?'

Freeman says, 'and multi-head dragons...that story?'

Ea! says, 'It's before the rise of Marduk as a diety.'

Spike pets Darla lovingly.

Ea! says, 'And Ti'amet isn't a multi-headed dragon in the original -- that was artistic license on Gygax or one of his coworker's part.'

Darla smiles happily.

Strings/Mundanes/Indonesian Souls?

Freeman says, 'i just want to know if this item is a string or mundane toy'

Freeman picks up the soul of an Indonesian tribesman...so it -is- true and shakes it vigorously.

Craven says, 'toy'

Craven says, 'its from the photo booth'

Freeman nods solemnly.

Freeman says, 'how about htis'

Freeman picks up a goatee beard and long mustaches and shakes it vigorously.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Darla says, 'I'd like to know just what -is- true...'

Freeman nods his agreement with Darla.

Freeman ponders the soul of an Indonesian tribesman...so it -is- true's existence.

Freeman says, 'oh, the photograph can capture souls'

Freeman says, 'it is true that cameras will capture your soul'

Freeman says to Darla, 'that would be my guess'

Darla says to Freeman, 'is that what indonesians thought?'

Kaige says to Freeman, 'I think the mustaches is a mundane'

Freeman says, 'national graphic shows always say native people are afraid to take photos cuz'

Freeman says, 'cameras will take your soul'

Freeman thanks Kaige heartily.

Freeman shrugs helplessly.

Freeman says, 'unless the imm who made this want to explain'

Kaige looks at Freeman questioningly.

Straussy says, 'actually I saw an NG not to long ago where they took pics of these two native guys with polaroids'

Freeman picks up the soul of an Indonesian tribesman...so it -is- true and shakes it vigorously.

LadyAce says, 'Leila made it up long ago'

Straussy says, 'and the native guys thought it was the coolest thing'

Freeman says, 'what -is- true... about this thing'

ArchAngel bows deeply.

Freeman pokes the soul of an Indonesian tribesman...so it -is- true - It's dead, Freeman.

LadyAce says, 'I'm pretty sure the implication is about the soul-stealing'

Kaige says, 'that cameras steal your soulds'

LadyAce says, 'since it came out of the photo machine'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Freeman nods solemnly.

Darla says, 'oh...I've never seen it in connection to the photo machine before. Just people waving it around'

LadyAce says, 'that's where they come from'

Darla says, 'that makes a little more sense then'

Freeman nods solemnly.

Freeman says, 'why only indonesian souls'

LadyAce says, 'great mysteries of design and detail? :)'

Freeman sticks his tongue out at everyone! =P

LadyAce says, 'Oh, I imagine that it was just who came to mind. Leila's an Aussie.'

Freeman nods solemnly.

Is AT Fixed?

Freeman says, 'oh one more question, is AT fixed? does the GMA still appear in random rooms'

LadyAce says, 'I haven't seen the GMA appearing in random rooms. But I did some bulletproofing to keep him from being so easily confused.'

LadyAce says, 'all worked cleanly in test environment, and I think someone told me it worked right here.'

Freeman says, 'like that time when GMA was at sifi'

Freeman waves happily.

Ruby says, 'dang'

Craven chuckles politely at Ruby's feeble witticism.

Lag & Connection

ArchAngel says, 'umm when are we gunna fix this problem with the lagging n losing connection?'

LadyAce says, 'very soon, we hope.'

ArchAngel says, 'ok'

LadyAce says, 'the crashes would be bugs that we're trying to fix'

ArchAngel nods solemnly.

ArchAngel says, 'aight'

LadyAce says, 'the lag would be connection trouble that we're also trying to fix'

LT Subs for Clans?

ArchAngel says to Kaige, 'now i have a q for you was it you that i talked to last time about sending the paper for the legend paper? to insert my clan in there i mean?'

Kaige nods her agreement with ArchAngel.

ArchAngel says to Kaige, 'ok thanks i just wanted to make sure of that i'll try and get you a paper soon.. what all should i include in it?'

Kaige says to ArchAngel, 'there's a submission page on www.legendmud.org/Community/ltsubmission.php to make it really easy for you to submit stuff'

Kaige says to ArchAngel, 'well if you want to describe the clan's purpose and stuff like that, any services you offer, prices, stuff like that and all'

ArchAngel says, 'oh ok cool i'll check it out after i look at the socials :P'

ArchAngel nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige nods solemnly.

ArchAngel says, 'thanks!'

Kaige says, 'no problem'

Kaige says, 'Am I sensing it's time to go forage for food?'

Kaige looks hungry.

Ea! giggles.

Ea! says, 'Need... food.'

Kaige says, 'must.. drive... to Rudy's'

Kaige giggles.

LadyAce looks at Kaige and drools.

Ea! says, 'We're outnumbering the morts here.'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'we're not as exciting as PD'

LadyAce giggles.

Ea! says, 'ah, right.'

LadyAce says, 'they go to pd, then they complain about lag. silly spammy megagroups'

LadyAce says, 'maybe we should set down the grouping bonus'

Kaige giggles.

LadyAce says, 'no really :) it's not exactly the sort of grouping we want'

LadyAce says, 'impossible to be too social or interact much'

Ea! says, 'I think the right solution is to make rescue only work if you aren't already fighting.'

LadyAce says, 'well, then you just need a lev 50 to sit around watching for bad things to happen?'

LadyAce says, 'i.e. tank and backup tank, only the backup has to sit around more than usual'

Ea! says, 'yeah, but then if they run low on hp, you're in trouble.'

Kaige says, 'okie. I need to eat here. so if we're done I'll turn off the logging, and if not, I'll leave it run'

LadyAce says, 'I think we're done done'

Kaige says, 'the crash didn't help matters, but it was kinda slow right before then too'

Kaige giggles.

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Ea! giggles.

Kaige waves happily.

Ea! says, 'i need to get going, too.'

Ea! waves happily.

Kaige says, 'see y'all'

Kaige waves happily.

Judah smiles happily.

LadyAce waves happily.

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