March 8th, 2001

Empty & Damaged Vials

Craven says, 'could we make all new vials bought empty'

Craven says, 'its annoying to have "a glass vial" and "an empty glass vial"'

Craven says, 'when they are the same thing'

LadyAce says, 'hm, a good point.'

Godsmack nods his agreement with Craven.

LadyAce says to Craven, 'we'll take a look at it.'

Craven says, 'excellent'

Craven says, 'I am in your debt'

LadyAce says to Dude, 'your turn to ask a question'

Dude says, 'I actually have a comment more then question... I'd like to officially say that Crusades rocks =P'

Tobias says to Dude, 'Heh.'

Dude ruffles LadyAce's hair playfully.

Lawrence nods his agreement with Dude.

Chaykin says, 'heh'

Dude says, 'okies... back to killing dragon =P'

Dude waves happily.

Tobias laughs with amusement.

West chuckles politely.

Kaige chuckles politely.

Tobias says, 'I'll get CR ready.'

Tobias grins evilly.

LadyAce says, 'don't play in my area, it's supposed to be a secret.'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Dude.

Kyna says, 'a good secret :)'

Dude snickers at LadyAce nastily.

Dare hugs LadyAce.

Tobias says to LadyAce, 'Now tell us how to get those mobs ^_~'

Tobias grins evilly.

LadyAce says, 'really I'm glad that you like it :)'

Craven says, 'I just hate carrying little papers that rent for 100 rent each to get in :P'

LadyAce says to Craven, 'your turn to ask'

Kyna says, 'it is the majority of my levels from 15 or so to 35 or so.'

Craven says, 'you think your area is so elite that it needs special rentable papers :P'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'I didn't think of it that way, I thought of the papers as an option for people :P'

Craven says, 'we should make vials non damagable'

Craven says, 'how can a vial be damaged and useable :P'

Craven says, 'and its annoying cuz they don't sort right'

Craven says, 'and I hate having 3 different bubblies all in different states of condition'

LadyAce says, 'I guess we could make them brittle'

LadyAce says, 'one hit and they're dead'

Kaige says, 'maybe they should be brittle instead'

Kaige giggles.

Kyna says, 'it's scratched? got a chip around the rim?'

Craven says, 'alright, fine'

SkullKrusher says, 'i like that LA'

Craven says, 'make them fixable'

Craven says, 'or something'

Craven says, 'transferable'

Craven says, 'you have 2 ticks after its damaged to transfer it to another vial before its gone!'

Craven throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Sandra says, 'I like the brittle idea'

Kyna says, 'fill empty vial?'

Craven says, 'weird code for ea :P'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Sandra.

LadyAce says, 'emptiable like? Weeerd.'

Craven says, 'I like the brittle idea except I'm a sniper and I'll cry when someone frickin immolates me and I lose 19 vials'

Rosette says, 'and if it breaks in your hand, you get affected with it'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Craven.

SkullKrusher says, 'really tho vials sould be brittle in a battle how can one hold onto 5 vials and not break them :P'

Sassie says, 'put them in a bag?'

SkullKrusher says to Sassie, 'still break'

Craven says, 'can't use a vial if its in your bag anyway'

Craven says, 'specially if your frickin blind'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'stupid barabas...'

Sassie nods her agreement with Craven.

SkullKrusher giggles.

Reloading Missile Weapons

Sassie says, 'ok, on the reloading of weapons'

Sassie says, 'if a nickel-plated can only be reload from a clip'

Sassie says, 'it is aggrivating to hear reload from what, when you are carrying the clip and type reload nickel-plated'

Sassie says, 'same with other weapons'

Zeppelin peers intently at a pair of silk boxers decorated with hearts.

Rosette covers her eyes with her hands.

Sassie says, 'annoying to have to type reload with clip, box, carton etc'

Sassie says, 'if one is carrying the correct ammo, then reload weapon should reload'

Ea! says, 'You want it to use the first one in your inv that works? Or go through all of your items and make sure that you've only got one thing that works?'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Sassie.

Godsmack nods his agreement with Sassie.

Zeppelin says to Ea!, 'as long as the old way keeps working for people that use 2 dipped quivers'

Dare nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Zeppelin says, 'reload bow 2.quiver'

Sassie says, 'well, its just a bit different with bows'

Ea! says, 'The code isn't different, though.'

Sassie nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'And it's certainly possible that a builder might make a "box of .45 bullets" and "a single .45 bullet"'

Ea! says, 'In which case you might have a preference which to reload with...'

Sassie says, 'i pull a clip from my bag, type reload nickel-plated, and am told, reload from what, you can't reload nickel-plated with anything else'

Rosette says, ' a single .45 bullet'

Rosette says to Sassie, 'you could make an alias for getting it from your bag and reloading. Then not so much a bother to type clip'

Sassie says, 'already have'

Kae's sniper has triggers to do those things.

Rosette nods her agreement with Kae.

Rosette says, 'or trigger it to you gun being empty'

Kae even has it pick a new clip out of the bag when empty.

Rosette says, 'if you could get it to count your shots, that would be super spiffy'

Sassie says, 'but my point is, i think, if the weapon can only be loaded from clip, and you are carrying clip, why have to type clip'

Dusk says, 'when i want to kick, why can't the mud just know already that i want to kick, why do i have to spell out kick!!!!'

Sassie says, 'oh come on now'

Sabu snickers softly.

Kyna says, 'maybe for the same reason I have to type fill chalice skin ... cos there might be something else on the floor that it wants to use first'

Sassie says, 'getting silly'

Kyna says, 'I meant my trigger types fill chalice watersack, in case there's an alcohol container on the floor.'

Sabu likes aliases more then trigs.

Player Shops/Hirelings/Pets?

Dare says, 'I was wondering when one could expect the player to player owned 'business'-like project would be launched, and if the players could do anything to help with them? Because I'm interested in them, maybe give more specific ideas releva'

LadyAce says, 'that's part of the 'pets' project, and it's a far future sort of thing.'

Dare nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'We don't really have a time schedule planned for that... It's probably about 5th on my list of medium sized projects...'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we're short on ideas so much as time from our talent'

Ea! says, 'Assuming that we can find a way to implement player businesses without implementing pets.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Ea!.

Dare nods solemnly.

SkullKrusher says, 'i want pets!'

LadyAce says, 'true, we'd talked about possible ways to decouple those'

Rosette says, 'I wanna kitten'

Ryan says, 'Bah, work on pets.'

Ea! says, 'If it involves pets, it's about 3rd on the large projects list... no, make that 4th or 5th.'

Naiobi says, 'i want a gewbil!'

SkullKrusher says, 'i want to have chickens in my chickencoop :P'

Lawrence wants a tree.

Chaykin says, 'what about a skill that lets you act like a shopkeeper and people can get a list from you?'

Ryan wrinkles his nose at Lawrence.

LadyAce doesn't want to encourage bots....

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'It's not a skill -- it's the "say" and "talk" commands.'

Dare nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin looks up into the sky and ponders.

SkullKrusher says, 'not bots just PETS like a dog for yuor house or chickens .. rentable...'

Kyna says, 'noticeboard in your house, if you are using your house ... could use that as a list.'

SkullKrusher says, 'cats yada yada yada'

SkullKrusher says, 'ferrets'

SkullKrusher grins evilly.

SkullKrusher nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Kae strokes a particularly misbehaven ferret.

Chaykin says to SkullKrusher, 'guards, for clanhalls'

LadyAce says to SkullKrusher, 'I mean if it's a command to let players act as shopkeepers themselves'

Tobias giggles at Kae.

Arturo talks quietly to himself.

SkullKrusher says, 'no not guard'

LadyAce says to SkullKrusher, 'that'd encourage bots'

SkullKrusher says, 'bah!'

SkullKrusher stomps around.

Tobias says, 'I'd like the tudor shops to be real shops'

Tobias says, 'I could sell bakery things.'

SkullKrusher says, 'if your so anti bot slay marauder'

Tobias grins evilly.

SkullKrusher says, 'plz'

Chaykin says to Tobias, 'are you a good cook?'

SkullKrusher ducks to the ground.

Sandra says, 'I'd get yelled at'

Sandra sniffs sadly.

Kae says, 'I'd LOVE to see more shop things, but I guess we hafta wait :)'

Sandra giggles.

LadyAce says, 'there's a long distance between not liking them and disallowing them'

Ea! says, 'We'd like to implement shops as well.'

Rosette says, 'maybe at least for clans--they could each get an immortal merchant type mob'

SkullKrusher says, 'ok if pets are no chance...then why make a chicken coop a buildable room?'

SkullKrusher is completely boggled.

Kyna says, 'why clans only?'

Rosette says, 'so it would be something special for clans'

Tobias says, 'BTW, whoever made the rabbit-hole room....is a god.'

Ea! says, 'We're not going to implement something like that for clans only... and I don't think we're going to make them immortal, either...'

Kyna says, 'my best eq getter isn't in a clan, doesn't want to join a clan.'

Chaykin says, 'immortal guards would be a little silly'

SkullKrusher says to Tobias, 'charity i think'

LadyAce says, 'the problem with chickencoops or farms or kittens is making them collect traits and be rentable with you, persisting over reboot'

Tobias nods solemnly.

Kae wouldn't want immortal guards in her areas.

LadyAce says, 'they're more complex to put together than just a mob'

Rosette says to Kyna, 'well, maybe you could sell items to clans to put in their shops. they won't do it anyway'

Ea! says to LadyAce, '...teaching them skills, having them go up levels, etc.'

Sabu says, 'players dont want immortal guards trust me'

LadyAce says, 'without that structure to make them saveable...which takes work...they're not worth much to you'

Kae says, 'immortal guards are the end of any ic attempt to burglarize houses and clan halls, or just even eavesdrop'

Sabu used to shoot cats into his houses.

Sabu scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Ea! says, 'LadyAce is afk for a second.'

Sabu launches himself across the room and tackles Sasha to the ground!

Chaykin says, 'CHAYKIN'S MESSY ROOM Your stuff is lost in the mountain of stuff on the floor and you will never get it back!'

Sandra says, 'with immortal clan hall mobs, we're back to how clan halls were before =P'

Ea! says to Tobias, 'You're next, though.'

Tobias nods his agreement with Ea!.

Arturo says, 'yeah but a house pet would be neat, ie a dog greeting you at the door etc'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Arturo.

Dusk says to Sandra, 'were they useless then to?'

SkullKrusher says, 'yeah give it a few acts'

Kyna says, 'what about immortal guards if you're non-pkok? Like a surgeon with a 'nurse' guard who says 'the doctor is in' when people enter'

Rosette says, 'and herbs for gardens'

SkullKrusher says, 'liek your cat jump up in your lap startling you'

Sandra says to Dusk, 'they were good bankers!'

SkullKrusher says, 'or purrr....'

SkullKrusher says, 'always in your home'

Dusk says to Sandra, 'thats all i ever used em for. :P'

SkullKrusher says, 'rent..'

Discuss & Eloquence Reimbs?

Tobias says to Ea!, '1) Discuss skill?'

Ea! begins to eloquently discuss Sandra's new code with Sandra.

But in the end she manages to convince him that she's right.

Sandra cheers for herself since no one else has.

Tobias giggles at Ea!.

Sandra says, 'go me!'

Sasha giggles at Sandra.

Rosette says, 'what's discuss do?'

Sassie smiles happily.

Aquilante giggles.

Tobias says, '2) Can we get the practice back if we want it?'

Chaykin says, 'sounds like a say and talk version of converse'

Ea! says, 'It's a little like armwrestle, though with some RP benefits.'

Tobias nods solemnly.

Tobias says, 'you guys should make a quest with it!'

Rowane scratches his head in puzzlement.

Rosette says, 'so it is just an act?'

Ea! says, 'Also, we're hoping to make it be parts of quests, improve reactions to characters, etc.'

Dare says, 'like juggle?'

Tobias nods his agreement with Ea!.

Dare says, 'wait, juggle has a purpose'

Dare shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says, 'we'll reimb the prac if you don't want the skill.'

LadyAce says, 'the thing we haven't decided yet is for how long'

Tobias says, 'Don't see what I'd use the prac on, though, so it doesn't matter.'

Chaykin says, 'will eloquence still be a pre-req for bardic skills?'

Kyna says, 'or will it use the other pre-req?'

Sabu says, 'my was just what exactly eloquence used for now'

Sabu still dont get what ea said about it..

Sabu nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Sabu, 'can you be more explicit about how we're confusing you?'

Sabu says, 'what is eloquence used for.. i dont see what good it is now'

Sabu shrugs philosophically.

Kyna says, 'it's one of the alternative pre-reqs for bardic skills'

Sabu says, 'its not a pre-req for anything etc..'

LadyAce says, 'it's an option for some later skills'

Sabu says, 'play is just as easy to get and needed for most anyways'

LadyAce says, 'mostly people get it for the moods, I imagine'

Ea! says, 'In addition for the pre-req for a few skills, it's got a discuss option that's a little like arm-wrestle.'

Sabu says, 'later skills as in skill trees?'

Ea! eloquently says, 'It's still the only way to speak eloquently.'

Sabu says, 'ooh that discuss thing'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'but how is it like armwrestle? do you use it to say things? and is there a winner and loser?'

LadyAce says, 'later skills as in higher bardic skills we already have'

Ea! nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Sabu nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'Lemme demo it a few times'

Chaykin nods solemnly.

Ea! begins to eloquently discuss testing with Sandra.

Ea! quickly convinces Sandra of his argument about testing.

Sabu says, 'i dont plan on being a bard =p'

Vahn says, 'hah, and when was the last time you saw a bard on the mud?'

Ea! begins to eloquently discuss various things with Sandra.

Ea! quickly convinces Sandra of his argument about various things.

Ea! begins to eloquently discuss various things with Sandra.

Ea! quickly convinces Sandra of his argument about various things.

Chaykin looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kyna says to Sabu, 'the two bardic skills I'm mostly like to use, can use eloquence.'

Ea! says, 'Sometimes she'll win, and sometimes I will.'

Chaykin says to Ea!, 'is it random?'

Ea! says to Chaykin, 'Like arm wrestle, it's based on stats with some level of randomness.'

Rosette says, 'and can you make it have an argument?'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Ea!.

Sabu says, 'ill take the practice back i think.. and how long will the reimburse be?'

Aquilante says to Ea!, 'heheh you were just looking for an excuse for a remtach with her :P'

Sabu says, 'any set time on it yet?'

LadyAce says, 'like I said about 3 min ago, that's what we haven't decided.'

Ea! says, 'How useful it is will depend on how the builders use it... but it's meant to be a low level skill that's primary function is to enable other skills.'

Sabu nods his agreement with Ea!.

Kyna says, 'I assume if I reimb it, I will lose the higher skills if I haven't learned the other pre-req?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kyna.

LadyAce says to Kyna, 'unless you use somethin else as the prereq'

Kyna nods solemnly.

Mob Interactions & Age

Sassie says, 'i think mobs should be more "social" sensitive, like the new tika'

Sandra says, 'we're working on it'

Sassie smiles happily.

Sandra says, 'some already are'

Tobias nods solemnly.

Dusk says, 'great, so we can go around and harrass mobs all day!'

Dusk rolls his eyes heavenward.

Kae worked a good deal on socials in Malta.

Rosette says, 'I think mobs should be more age sensitive, cause lots of icky ones hit on me'

Rosette shudders.

Rowane says to Rosette, 'thats kinda hard, the mobs dont know your rp age'

Rosette nods her agreement with Rowane.

Rosette sniffs sadly.

Rowane chuckles politely.

Kae says, 'that's the reason my mobs don't check age at innkeepers -- it's kinda hard to tell how old someone RPs to be'

Ryan says, 'About age... couldn't you make it like a slot that a person fills when they register there desc, and it ticks up from there?'

Rosette says to Ryan, 'oooh'

Kae whistles appreciatively.

Rosette says, 'but what if we age backwards?'

Kyna says, 'then we'd all be ancient.'

Rosette points proudly at herself.

Rowane says to Ryan, 'that might limit rp though, unless of course you could change the age at will'

Arturo says to Ryan, 'god that would be a complex code '

Vahn says, 'huh? Ill quit this damn mud if age starts affecting what we can and cant do'

Example Builder Proposal?

Rowane says, 'Was wondering, is it possible that I can get an example builders proposal sent to me email, I'd like to know what a good proposal looks like, ive tried looking at the site, couldn't really find one, is it basically like a persuasive essay?'

LadyAce says, 'well, you have to answer all the questions'

Sandra says, 'arkenstone's proposal is up as a sample'

LadyAce says, 'it's not really an essay, more like a grant application where you fill out all the blanks'

Kae says, 'yeah, that worked for me'

LadyAce says, 'so many general outlines, so many specific details, etc.'

Rowane says to Sandra, 'must have missed that'

Sandra nods her agreement with Rowane.

Kaige says, 'and there is an example one up there www.legendmud.org/Reference/documents.html Listed as Arkenstone's proposal with ocmments'

Kaige says, 'It should be linked from the builder proposal page too'

Rowane says, 'Ok, thanks'

Arturo smiles at Kaige.

Greater Summons

SkullKrusher says, 'i dont wanna suck up time or anything. i just got a few thing.. one why have greater summon hps been low>? did they get messed with or is it just me? 2.whats the precentage of getting a ultimate control on my greaters?'

SkullKrusher says, 'or is it all mind based and just me'

SkullKrusher bonks himself on the head and looks sheepish.

Ea! says, 'We can't answer the second part of it...'

LadyAce says, 'well, by "low" you mean recently they've seemed lower?'

SkullKrusher says to Ea!, 'why?'

SkullKrusher says to LadyAce, 'alot yeah'

Ea! says, 'Cause it's in-game information.'

Sabu nods his agreement with LadyAce.

SkullKrusher says to Ea!, 'er?'

Kyna says to SkullKrusher, 'I thought greater ellies were based on HP and mind, but that demons/angels /titans weren't based on HP?'

Vahn says, 'yea my graters only have like 400hp and my create mages has had rush since level 25 and 100mind since level 14'

Ea! says, 'As for the first part, I don't think we've made any changes to that recently, though I doubt they got a boost when the players did.'

Sabu says, 'they have been lately i have seen as low as 400 hps'

Sassie says, 'i asked, a bit of discussion, but no answers'

SkullKrusher says, 'ok wait'

Vahn says to SkullKrusher, 'yea my graters only have like 400hp and my create mages has had rush since level 25 and 100mind since level 14'

Lawrence's angels lie around 450-500 hp.

Sassie nods solemnly.

Vahn says, 'rudh even'

SkullKrusher says, 'right when the con bonus went in i was getting demon at like 600 hps SOMETIMES now im lucky if i get a 400'

SkullKrusher says, 'theres something wrong there'

Lawrence must have better angel wheaties.

Sabu nods solemnly.

Vahn says, 'I'd rather make a dop and let it tank cus my dop has more hp then my greater'

LadyAce says, 'well, we can take a look at it...use bug to report it for us?'

Sandra thinks there's something wrong with 600hp demons. =P

SkullKrusher says, 'and all i want to know is control ultimately mind based?'

Ea! says, 'I dunno, this is the first I've heard of it. I'd be suprised if anything changed, but we can look.'

Vahn says, 'Id say my create get ultimate control over 4 out of 10 angels he summons'

Kyna says, 'wow! that's high.'

Sabu says, 'cause mage charmies animated only max at 500 yes we know this but a greater demon etc can stun i think they shouldnt be higher than 500 hps personally but'

SkullKrusher says, 'what can you tell me about control on my demons then?'

Dusk says, 'what is the difference?'

Vahn says to Sabu, 'No, only Titans can stun'

Sabu says, 'but i can see the create stunnings etc'

Sabu says, 'angels and demons stun to last i knew..'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we can tell you what you really want to know here...'

SkullKrusher says, 'ok at 100 mind i got ultimate control maybe 10 percent of the time'

Dusk says, 'what is the difference between ultimate control and non-ultimate control?'

Sandra says, 'they have their own specials'

Vahn says to Sabu, 'angels and demons dont stun but do greater damage per round via attacking and there specials are more powerful'

SkullKrusher says, 'is that right?'

LadyAce says to Dusk, 'i think he means perm vs wanders off later'

Sabu says, 'yeah thats basically my comment.. with a special on create charmies i think they shouldnt have higher than 500 hps'

Dusk says, 'i thought they were all timed.'

Aquilante says to Dusk, 'not all of them'

Sabu says, 'because causes animated dont have specials and they should be balanced with a create charmy'

Dusk says, 'yeah, just gime em all 10,000 hp!'

Kyna says, 'greater summonings cost more than zombies/skellies, so they should have more HPs.'

Dusk says, 'i think they are fine the way they are!!!'

Sandra says, '50 mana isn't worth 100more hp and a special'

Sabu says, 'they do more damage then a animated charmie plus the special they have'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Dusk.

Dusk says, 'zombies and dopples don't do nasty nasty specials!'

LadyAce says to Arturo, 'ok, your turn to ask your question.'

SkullKrusher says to Sandra, 'your so anti create :P'

Sabu says, 'i think they shouldnt have more hps as well.. kinda not balanced between cause and create'

Sandra says to SkullKrusher, 'I have 8 create mages'

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

SkullKrusher says, 'whatever i dont think anyone even answered me'

LadyAce says to SkullKrusher, 'our primary answer is that it might be a bug but it doesn't seem like a bad one to many of us, and that we can't give you specifics on your charmy like you want'

SkullKrusher says, 'am i missing something on ultimate control?'

SkullKrusher says, 'ok then be vague'

SkullKrusher says, 'just tell me something'

Vahn says to SkullKrusher, 'basicly create gets screwed royaly again'

SkullKrusher says, 'on ultimate'

SkullKrusher looks up into the sky and ponders.

Ea! says, 'What do you want us to tell you? We can't tell you what dictates whether it'll stay around forever.'

Lawrence is create and feels quite virgin-like, thank you.

Dusk says to Vahn, 'shetup'

SkullKrusher is completely boggled.

Sandra says, 'Yes, they're screwed, they can create quite alot of charmies, 3 sets of which have specials, another set that costs less then 30 mana to create. They're screwed royally'

Lawrence is the most efficient killing machine he's played in 4 years and does not feel in any way screwed.

Mitra nods solemnly.

Mitra is happy thank you

Mitra says, 'i can take suger'

Dusk chuckles politely.

Mitra says, 'i don't see many people killing him these days'

Sandra says, 'I've seen create mages take out half of shadowlands. I don't even want to hear that they're screwed =P'

Ryan nods his agreement with Mitra.

Sabu says to LadyAce, 'i love the 25 homies at 90-130 hps each attacking a huge mob'

Lawrence nods his agreement with Sandra.

Kyna says, 'i can take Hrothgar at level 31.'

SkullKrusher snickers softly.

Sabu ducks to the ground.

Vahn says to Sandra, 'Screwed I tell you!'

SkullKrusher shakes his head.

Vahn says to Sandra, 'Yea, I couldnt even take the train conducter the other day and I used to be able to'

Vahn says to Sandra, 'so something wrong'

Sandra says, 'I don't *want* one person being able to take him. So that's not a bad thing'

Vahn says to Sandra, 'Oh I killed him 1700mana later'

Stunned Mobs Doing Specials?

Arturo says, 'okies a quick question: I have noticed a few mobs that are able to do superfilious actions while stunned, although Nathaniel in particular is able to drag others back into his room durring a fight while he is stunned, is this a bug or is he just special?'

Sandra says, 'I haven't fixed him yet'

LadyAce says, 'those are almost always bugs.'

LadyAce says, 'report them as such, and we'll fix them'

Arturo nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Arturo says, 'i have'

Sandra hasn't fixed him yet.

LadyAce says, 'mobs need a ton of 'if the mob is like this, don't do the special' statements and sometimes we miss them'

Arturo nods his agreement with Sandra.

Arturo says to Sandra, 'get with it will yah?'

Arturo ducks under Sandra.

Sandra winks suggestively at Arturo.

Arturo says, 'thanks that is all i wanted to know'

Arturo waves happily.

Kaige says to Sandra, 'he can pull people through doors too... I need to check on that if check'

Sandra says to Kaige, 'oops'

More on Reloading

LadyAce says to Sassie, 'ok, your question is next. You said we didn't answer what you asked, please re-ask.'

Sassie says, 'well, ill use nickel-plated as example'

Sassie says, 'a nickel-plated can only be reloaded from a clip'

Ea! says to Sassie, 'The problem is that the reason that the nickle-plated can only be reloaded from a clip is because that's how the builder defined it...'

Ea! says, 'The code doesn't know that...'

Sassie says, 'yes'

Ea! says, 'So it can't act like it's the only way to reload it.'

Sassie says, 'yes, but if i have clip and type reload nickel-plated, says, reload from what'

Sassie says, 'so, clip, same with revolver, etc'

Sabu says to Sassie, 'because if you type help load and reload it tells you to be specific?'

Vahn says to Sandra, 'point being hes harder then metacomat and thats NOT coo =P'

Sandra says, 'good, that's how I wanted him to be ;)'

Sassie says, 'just seemed pointless to have to say clip when thats all that will reload it anyway'

LadyAce says, 'do some things reload without you specifying what to use?'

Sassie shakes her head.

Sassie says, 'no'

Sabu says to Sassie, 'there are a few guns that have 2-3 different types of the same ammo be it a box or a carton or a bullet'

Ea! says to Sassie, 'If we could tell in the code that that was the only thing to reload it with, we'd save you the step, but we can't tell that in the code... since it's been left up to the builder.'

Sassie looks surprised.

Sassie says, 'really?'

Sassie says, 'i haven't encountered any'

Sassie says, 'and thats all the .45 will use, is cartons, right?'

LadyAce says to Sassie, 'I think that the answer is: we hear what you are asking for, but we're not interested in making the change you want.'

Sassie chuckles politely.

Sassie nods solemnly.

SkullKrusher giggles.

Sassie nods her agreement with LadyAce.

SkullKrusher says to Sassie, 'you hear that alot '

SkullKrusher winks suggestively at Sassie.

Sassie nods solemnly.

LadyAce smiles at Sassie.

Soloing without a Healer?

Vahn says, 'Ok my question is simple and too the point'

Vahn says, 'When will it be possible to be level 50 and not need a surgeon to make any kind of descent XP?'

Sabu snickers softly.

Chaykin smirks.

SkullKrusher cheers for Vahn - huzzah!

Sabu says to Vahn, 'never'

SkullKrusher ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'when you're a mage? :P'

Sandra says, 'it's always been possible?'

Lawrence screams loudly!

Dusk says, 'i got 1 million exp in 40 minutes today, SOLO!'

Vahn says, 'Cus as it stand now when I hit level 50 I either perma or archive'

SkullKrusher says, 'mage :P'

Kae says, 'I never use surgeons unless I happen to run into 'em accidentally'

Milamber says, 'be sniper and shoot mobs who are buggy'

Sandra says, 'I don't use one either'

Milamber says, 'nice exps too'

LadyAce says, 'or else you could make use of more of the ingame healing stuff. Or avoid getting injured by being a runaway and shooter type'

Milamber says, 'or go for snipe'

LadyAce tickles Milamber.

Sabu says, 'pure fighters kinda need healers..'

Kyna says, 'be a mage.'

Kae says, 'not hey don't'

Vahn says, 'No, I wanna make fair xp and not have to heal every 5 minuets'

Kae says, 'they just hafta be creativer and patienter'

Milamber says, 'Beowulf rocks'

Milamber flexes his bulging, impressive muscles.

Sabu says to Kae, 'bleah suuuure'

Sandra says to Milamber, 'don't worry, that bug will be fixed friday'

Milamber spits on the ground.

Vahn says, 'ok since Im being ignore screw it'

Milamber giggles at Sandra.

Milamber says, 'bad bad'

Sabu says to Kae, 'my good xp route for a pure fighter has been beefed up now =p'

Kae says to Sabu, 'works for me'

Sandra giggles.

Vahn says, 'I feel this is a valid subject'

Milamber says, 'when will my sniper level now?'

Milamber says, 'oh ricky blane'

Vahn says, 'and should be addressed.'

SkullKrusher says, 'and make my demons get more hps!'

LadyAce says to Vahn, 'oh, like you never talked right over top of other people? I'm sorry about the overlap, but spare us the dramatics.'

Sabu says to Vahn, 'let me ask you this.. do you think that most of this mud is for solo xping?'

Vahn says, 'Cus unless your a sniper or mage you DONT xp solo'

Sandra says, 'It's possible to get xp without using a surgeon. If yo u are unable to figure out such ways, it seems that maybe you should inquire and find out what exactly they are'

Kyna says to Vahn, 'what would my surgeon do, if no level 50's needed her?'

Sabu says to Vahn, 'specially for level 50'

Sabu cringes in terror.

Vahn says to LadyAce, 'what sacrafice?'

Vahn says, 'Look at fighter druids/klien mages'

Vahn says, 'oh they make such a BIG sacrfice'

Kae says, 'my fighter druid is handling himself quite nicely, thank you :P'

Sabu says to Kae, 'pure fighters darn it pure fighters im talking =p'

LadyAce says, 'they've surely sacrificed some kinda fight stat to get that much mind/spr'

Kae says to Sabu, 'I have no problem getting xp solo as a pure fighter either'

Vahn says, 'its possible to get a druid and still be a fighter with awsome stats.'

Vahn says, 'Pure fighters just suck now'

Sabu says to Kae, 'killing easy stuff and lots of it =p'

Kae shrugs philosophically.

Kae says to Sabu, 'among other things'

Sabu nods his agreement with Kae.

LadyAce says, 'We agree that the offensive powers are out of whack, but you've all heard the refrain of our solution for that one.'

Sabu says, 'we have?'

Vahn says, 'whatever, I was a 2c mage for awhile and it was just as bad as being a pure fighter'

Sabu raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Sabu says to Vahn, 'um no'

Kae says, 'my refrain is, like it or get a healer :P'

Vahn says, 'unless your 3c *which sucks now thanks to Sandra* mages are dumb'

Sandra says, 'sucks thanks to me?'

Sabu says to Vahn, 'if you need info on how to solo things as long as your not a pure fighter let me know ill help ya ;)'

Vahn says, 'yea your dumb rudh/mrti crap'

Sandra says, 'maybe it's just your inability to play one well? ;)'

Sandra says, 'pfft, they're easy'

Ea! says, 'Two problems here: first, without giving non-fighters access to fight skills, they're not viable at all. Second, if we limit things down to their basics, we get a class-based mud, which we don't want.'

Vahn says to Sandra, 'Bite me I play Luna very well thanks'

Lawrence found rudh surprisingly easy.

Sandra says to Vahn, 'then why are you bitching?'

Sandra says, 'just to bitch?'

Vahn says, 'No, I HATE 3c'

Sabu says, 'uh oh.. someone is in a mood!'

Vahn says, 'HATE HATE HATE HATEHATEHATE'

LadyAce says, 'then don't play it :P'

Sabu ducks to the ground.

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we're getting anywhere on this topic.'

Vahn says, 'mages are too easy imho'

LadyAce says to Kyna, 'please ask your question.'

Ea! says, 'At some point in the future, it might be possible to have a viable character with out lots of access to fight skills, but it's not currently... and when it is, we can make it so that there's more power for straight fighters...'

Chaykin says, 'sounds to me like you're saying everything sucks :P'

Vahn says, 'Ok plain and simple, mages are to pawerful and fighters suck'

Sabu says, 'we know that!'

Ea! says, 'But straight fighters do have a lot more flexibility in combat than anyone else... most straight fighters don't use that to their advantage.'

Sabu giggles at Vahn.

Aurelius says, 'are you talking fighters/mages PKwise?'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'I use e4verything I can in battle is why I can kill most stuff'

Vahn says, 'Ok, just let me rephrase my question calmly'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'one sec Ill put my thought to gether better'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'What Im trying to say is, mages and snipers can easily make huge amounts of xp cus they have such easy ways to kill things. A fighter, on the other hand needs a healer to help him. but in the time it takes me to kill metacomat a 3'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'metacomat a 3c create or cause can kil nat, hibbens, magistate etc'

Sasha says, 'just at high levels... cause when you're low levels mages/snipers can't make any xp'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'in affext make like 4 to 5 times the xp I did with less effort, where is the sacrafice?'

Aurelius says, 'snipers make good enough XP at low levels'

Kae says to Sasha, 'queeeeeests!'

Ea! says to Vahn, 'How much do you use your different fight stats? Have you tried, for example, swapping which type of weapon you're using based on the mob you're fighting?'

Sasha says to Kae, 'I'm not complaining'

Aurelius says, 'Mages after about halfway...are fastest levelers :)'

Sasha says to Kae, 'I do just fine, I'm just talking about straight mobkill'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'yes I do that. thats why Im str/con so I can fight either way, I have and use all fight skills'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'thing Im saying is is LA talked about a sacrafice but I dont see where there is one'

Kyna says, '30 str isn't a sacrfice?'

Vahn says, '30 str when you have 5 greater summons to fight for you'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Vahn.

Kyna says, 'greaters cost too much mana.'

Aurelius is a 3c create in the making himself :)

Lawrence's a happy 3c create camper.

Vahn pokes Ea! in the ribs.

Ea! says to Vahn, 'You find me a 3rd circle mage with decent mind that has over 80 in all three combat skills.'

Aurelius says, 'find me a fighter that can XP faster than me :)'

Ea! says to Vahn, 'There are plenty of straight-up fighters with 80+ in all three fight stats.'

Aurelius nods his agreement with Ea!.

Aurelius says, 'couple of 100 all threes too'

Vahn says, 'must be why i cant kill anything'

Ea! says to Vahn, 'You have to make decisions about how you're going to balance your character -- not all choices will work as well as every other choice. '

Ea! says, 'Making characters is about balancing trade offs.'

Vahn says to Ea!, 'Im not convinced. It still feel wrong that I need a healer to make more then 150k solo befor I have to rest up my HP again'

Vahn says, 'well whatever. im gonna rent. Ill check- in a few weeks to see what else got screwed up on the mud'

Chaykin says to Vahn, 'see you tomorrow'

Aurelius says to Vahn, 'this mud ain't screwed up :)'

Vahn says to Chaykin, 'No, you wont'

Aurelius says to Chaykin, 'lol'

More Notice for Good Deeds?

Arturo says, 'As an rp'er albeit a bad one I found it much more interesting to rp when tokens or even strings were given out a bit more freely, is there any reason why there has been a short comming in them of late?'

LadyAce says, 'you mean, when there are more games etc?'

Kae says to Arturo, 'in my personal case cuz I got tired of people demanding them of me in tells...'

Kae scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Arturo shakes his head in disagreement with LadyAce.

Sabu has never demanded anything for rp because he does it for fun not for rewards

Sabu shrugs helplessly.

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'no, I mean when an immortal notices a good deed being done, they randomly take it upon themselves to reward the deed doer with a prize'

Sabu says, 'but it would be nice to magically get awards for going along with plots and stuff :)'

Mitra nods solemnly.

Mitra giggles.

Sabu says, 'and cr's and stuff'

Sabu nods his agreement with Arturo.

Arturo says, 'it used to happen'

LadyAce says, 'well, I don't think that randomly giving out prizes is a good thing.'

Mitra says, 'and being a nice person'

Mitra giggles.

Kae says, 'it also attracts a ton of whining from those who get overlooked'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'it used to? i never got any!'

Sabu sniffs sadly.

LadyAce says, 'In fact i'm pretty opposed to niceness-rewards.'

Aurelius says, 'and morts will accuse the imm of "playing favorites"'

You do a slow fade as Mitra whines at Kae, hoping she won't get to you too.

Kae says, 'that too'

Sabu says to Kae, 'no.. quimby makes us look sad!'

Sabu nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Arturo says, 'heh why not, if you notice a person repititously helping others why not reward them?'

Kae says to Arturo, 'well, hopefully the people he's helped should repay his kindness'

Aurelius says, 'they are rewarded by the fuzzy feeling inside! :)'

Sabu says, 'freakin quimby and his alts having tons of coupons makes me mad =p'

Kae says, 'and the fuzzies :)'

Arturo sighs loudly.

Aurelius says, 'and rewarded by a stronger, better reputation.'

LadyAce says, 'there's a favoritism issue, and there's also the fact that noticing people often only happens at people telling us to notice them'

Kae nods solemnly.

Arturo says, 'yet when one of those people who always help needs help who helps them?'

LadyAce says, 'people saying 'hey, i helped a newbie, reward me' or 'hey there newbie, tell the imms I'm swell''

Arturo shakes his head.

Arturo sighs loudly.

Sabu says to Arturo, 'nobody'

Arturo says, 'exactly'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'i cant ever get help'

Sabu sighs loudly.

Kyna goes EEK! at LadyAce in distress - isn't LadyAce an awful person for teasing?

Arturo says to Sabu, 'not true if i am on i help you sabu'

Kae peers at herself myopically.

Sabu nods solemnly.

Mitra looks up into the sky and ponders.

Mitra nods her agreement with Lawrence.

Ryan says to LadyAce, 'What about a more regulated system? Ya hit 50, ya get a non-color. Bad example, but I here what Arturo is saying. I cant do much with 'rosy red cheeks from the machine.'

LadyAce says, 'well, if you don't like the prizes, that's what the 'idea' command is for.'

Ryan says to LadyAce, 'Fair enough, fair enough.'

Sabu says, 'which brings a good question!'

LadyAce says, 'I think you already get a good benefit for hitting 50'

Kae says, 'I tend to forget I'm xp running until the redemtpion points jump up and bite me'

Kae giggles.

Arturo says, 'i am just soo bored with helping others but there seems to be nothing else to do, yet the level 50 newbies we have now dont like to help others for some reason'

Mitra giggles at Kae.

LadyAce says, 'more hp/ma/mv, another skill, better comparison against mobs, more rent.'

West peers at Mitra, looking her up and down.

Mitra says, 'rp'

Vahn says, 'Well, im at 55mill to 100mill and I will probly be here forever because I am not allowed to kill anything worth XP by myself'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'and they like to do things solo'

Mitra says to Arturo, 'cause angst and distress to the good citizens of legend'

Dusk says, 'well why don't you complain some more then.'

Kae says to Arturo, 'that's an entirely different story, namely that of damn rude players who need to grow up'

Sabu prefers groups of friends all running for money or something..

Arturo sighs loudly.

Mitra nods her agreement with Sabu.

Sabu says to Arturo, 'once i hit 50 we can run together'

Arturo says, 'sorry to bring it up'

Sabu hugs Arturo.

Kae says to Arturo, 'don't be :)'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'i feel what your saying man'

Kyna says to Arturo, 'and its cos of people thinking powerlevelling newbies to 50 is helping them. It isn't, it's just creating level 50s who don't know anything.'

Mitra says, 'lots of room for skills'

Ryan nods his agreement with Arturo.

Kae nods her agreement with Kyna.

Mitra nods solemnly.

Shine says, 'nod'

West nods his agreement with Kyna.

Aurelius says, 'tankers that hit real hard.'

Mitra says, 'i have very few skills'

Aurelius says, 'yes, the abundance of skill points :)'

Kae giggles.

Vahn says, 'and you talk about fighters having 80+ in all three fight stats? you better mstat me Ea!'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'the thing is our gen has handed down too much stuff to lowbies and now they just wanna solo stuff and be rude because they were given everything'

Kae says, 'not all newbies'

Mitra says to Sabu, 'twas always so'

LadyAce says, 'clueless lev 50s are generally created by the players who help them get there...don't fall into the trap of sppon feeding 'em.'

Kae says, 'but yes, we do have a generation of darn rude people'

Kae nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Mitra says, 'ah, the younger generation'

Sabu says to Kae, 'my gen is responsible for that'

Sabu sighs loudly.

LadyAce says, 'I think that every generation has the same durn complaints :P'

Kae says to Sabu, 'your gen is mine :P'

Kae nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Arturo says, 'another thing and excuse me for being drunk but, I recently dt'd and i have one item yet to get from 7 days ago, think about it 7 days to re-equip, how often do you do a re-eq run that lasts longer than one night? I will admit my li'

Sabu nods his agreement with Kae.

LadyAce says, 'they all think they invented the clueless newbies.'

Arturo says, 'list was tough but wow'

Vahn says, 'Oh, so I guess I should just perma then cus I dont have 80+ in three stats'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'see its just me you and kae now!'

Sabu giggles.

Chaykin says, 'I'm still a clueless newbie'

Mitra says, 'oh no, my generation was the clueless newvies'

LadyAce says to Arturo, 'I think that it should take time to re-eq.'

Mitra giggles.

Kae says to Arturo, 'I do know that one item on your list is darn hard to get, I had to go through 28 of the mob to get just one'

Kae says to Arturo, 'and you want two :)'

Aquilante says, 'in general it take me about one week to requip'

Kyna says, 'ooh, luckstone with particular stats?'

Mitra says, 'my first character spent about three weeks in ancient before she laarned time trans'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'you still need help re-equiping man?'

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'yeah but when you do 69% of the list with you and a healer then ask for help it should not take that long'

Arturo nods his agreement with Sabu.

LadyAce says to Arturo, 'and if you want hard stuff, you should be insanely greatful that anyone is willing to help at all, not unhappy that it hasn't gone faster.'

Shine says, 'hard eq is At eq'

Shine pokes LadyAce in the ribs.

Ryan says, 'A week, takes me forever. But I am incredibly lazy, too.'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'why didnt you tell me!'

Aquilante nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Shine says, 'to get'

LadyAce says to Arturo, 'that's the same bad attitude you complain about newbies having.'

Sabu bonks Arturo on the head!

Arturo nods his agreement with Shine.

Shine says, 'nobody going there anymore'

Vahn says, 'Hey, I soloed Herne for Arturo with my sniper!'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'send me a freakin mail or something =p'

Shine says, 'maybe fear, assassins evil'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'silly'

Lawrence whacked shamen for Art.

Arturo says, 'true but with all the help i have given i can expect a bit of help back can i not'

Lawrence giggles.

Kyna says, 'my surgeon did a ground floor run there just last week, with Stick'

Aurelius says, 'We should teach the newbies how to do runs and stuff :)'

Aquilante looks up into the sky and ponders.

Mitra thinks hard

Arturo says, 'well perhaps not'

LadyAce says, 'helping people is a gift.'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'i had a group the other night taking out the warlord all night long from midnight to 9 in the morning'

Shine says to Aquilante, 'At belt going for 230k'

Mitra says, 'I liked Sylia's runs'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'if i woulda known you needed it i woulda grabbed the right one'

LadyAce says, 'if you expect a gift to give you return like an investment, you should take IOUs or something'

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'no it is a duty to help your fellow person'

Aquilante says to Shine, 'heheh'

Shine says, 'not sure what eq would go for 200+k atm'

Aquilante says, 'gotta go back in AT so'

Aurelius says, 'If you expect something in return for helping somebody..its not giving them help, its selling them help...'

LadyAce says, 'helping other people isn't a duty.'

Aquilante says, 'to get anothe rone :P'

Mitra says, 'she, or rather, her first chracter, would grab a buncha newbies and show us the world'

Kyna says, 'I don't think you can help people in the expectation that they will help you later. It's sort of like you trying to put them in your debt or something.'

Mitra says, 'it was a great place to socialize and rp'

LadyAce says, 'and newbies who treat you like it's your duty to help them, you should be mad at them :P'

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'sure it is.'

Cerberus says to Vahn, 'you need to find a new run then'

LadyAce says, 'why? They're not starving in the streets.'

Kae gives y'all a chance to hug the ditch command.

Sabu says to LadyAce, 'im too nice to be mad at them'

Kae nods to herself - she must be getting senile.

Sabu sighs loudly.

Vahn says, 'Hey, im NPH im expected to help newbie'

Shine says, 'i like newbies if they dont talk with me'

Shine nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'this is a place built on selfishness, fundamentally.'

Aurelius cackles gleefully at Kae - whatever he's going to do to her, glad it's not you!

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'newbies I help because they need to learn to help themselves'

LadyAce says, 'this is a place about fun and making ourselves happy'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'so is the world'

Aurelius nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'not about making other people happy'

Chaykin cheers wildly!

Aquilante giggles at Cerberus.

Aurelius says, 'even me...i hardly ever group, i almost always XP by myself.'

Kyna says to Vahn, 'you're expected to help with advice about getting settled in Legend, not in getting eq or levels or quests.'

Sabu says to LadyAce, 'and some of us feel the need to help others because we are just that way...'

Mitra says, 'i think some just plain enjoy helping tho'

Sabu scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Kyna points at the MOTD.

Sabu nods his agreement with Mitra.

LadyAce says, 'if you enjoy helping, great.'

Lawrence likes to help, not to be abused.

Sabu loves helping/leading etc.

Mitra says, 'i guess you have to do it for the fun of it'

Shine says, 'we need more pkillers and someone who is able to kil dusk anytime he log on.... then we will be happt'

Shine says, 'er happy'

Mitra says, 'if you do it only for a payback, you'll be disapointed'

Ryan likes napping.

Aurelius asks Lawrence for 100k.

Arturo says, 'others I help because they need help to help themselves, ie re-equipping, getting money to sustain their houses, or finding equipment that people have forgotten about'

Fuego peers at Shine, looking him up and down.

Aquilante laughs at Shine.

Dusk burps loudly.

Lawrence gives Marcus Aurelius some gold.

Aurelius thanks Lawrence heartily.

Shine chuckles politely.

Aquilante says, 'down the handf from grendels!'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'i think the thing is a friend issue more then anything bud'

Arturo says, 'and I do it nightly'

Dusk licks Aurelius.

Sabu says to Arturo, 'we have too many cliques these days with our newer peeps and they tend to stick together unless they need help'

Kae says, 'I disagree on that'

Sabu raises an eyebrow inquiringly.

Arturo says to Sabu, 'friend or foe it matters not I will help any one in need, and I have sworn to such'

Mitra says, 'I helped with a SL CR yesterday for someone i had never met'

Kae says, 'probably because I get accused of cliquishness all the time'

Mitra shrugs helplessly.

Fuego says, 'i disagree with sabu too'

Fuego says, 'im actually RPing for once...'

Aquilante says to Kae, 'uhmn i'm not accusing you..but is true in general'

Fuego says, 'new clique!'

Kae's tired of hearing it, particularly after trying odds and ends to get newbies to talk.

Arturo bows before Fuego.

Sabu snickers softly.

Shine says to Fuego, 'me too'

Kae says to Aquilante, 'I dunno, I still disagree'

Arturo says to Fuego, 'good to see you sir.'

Fuego says to Shine, 'go have another drink'

Shine says to Fuego, 'you stole something from me, u will die'

Sabu says to Kae, 'i dont even agree with myself its just something i say because it just seems that way'

Fuego nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Mitra wishes it were easier to draw newbies out

Shine nods his agreement with Fuego.

Kae nods her agreement with Mitra.

LadyAce says, 'I think that we're a lot less cliqued-up now than we were about 2 years ago'

Aquilante says, 'you mean there are not cliques in Legend?'

Sabu nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Sabu says to LadyAce, 'a looooot less'

Mitra nods solemnly.

Kae says, 'yeah, when you've spent an hour trying to get someone in Tara to just acknowledge your existence you do lose some of the initial hot for it'

Arturo says to Aquilante, 'heh i have no friends here'

Ea! says, 'And even less than when I was a mort...'

LadyAce remembers unending patterns of 4 people who would play each other's children/parents/uncles/gods with no breaks in the circle

Mitra says, 'i get ignored by most characters'

Mitra giggles.

Kae says to Aquilante, 'there are cliques, sure, but I don't think you have to belong to one to find help'

LadyAce says, 'I'm really glad we're not doing that anymore :P'

Sasha says to Mitra, 'I like you'

Ea! says, 'Man, no way to find a group ever, people telling you you can't rp with them because you're not in the script...'

Aquilante looks up into the sky and ponders.

Mitra says to LadyAce, 'ew'

LadyAce giggles.

Kae goes ACK TTTHHHHHPPPPPTTTTT! all over Ea! - what a mess!

Mitra giggles at Sasha.

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'that was more than 2 years ago.'

Aquilante says, 'well not necessary..but helps so much!'

Aurelius says, 'there are a lot of people out there that would offer help if you asked on chat.. :)'

Kae says, 'I confess, I ignore chat requests'

Kyna nods solemnly.

Kae says, 'I want them made face to face'

Sabu says to Kae, 'they only reason i say that, like i said i disagree with myself, is the late night players and some other times of the day that have friends run with them ungrouped for xp'

Vahn says, 'well, no one ever asks me for help, nph or not =P'

Ryan is more likely to answer a chat plea for help than a tell from someone he hasnt ever met.

Kae says to Sabu, 'sounds dull :)'

Cerberus says to Vahn, 'I can't say I blame them'

Kyna says, 'I had two offers one by tell, and one came to Agrabah, to help me when I was having trouble with the mural. Which was nice.'

Aquilante giggles at Cerberus.

Mitra says, 'i've wandered ungrouped'

Mitra giggles.

LadyAce says to Ryan, 'tells from strangers, I always fear that they're come ons.'

Kae says, 'I want people to walk up to me and give me an IC reason to help them, even if it's just talking about the weather'

Mitra nods solemnly.

Vahn says, 'Well, I dont even hardly chat on chat anymore I just kinda do my thing and no one ever asks me for help'

LadyAce says to Ryan, 'I prefer chats, and I prefer talks in inns even more'

Sabu nods solemnly.

Ryan nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Mitra says to Kae, 'yes, conversation is a good payment'

Fuego says, 'theres one thing'

Aurelius says, 'ahh yes the talks at the tara altar :)'

Shine nods his agreement with Fuego.

Kae says, 'I gladly admit I ignore can-you-get-me tells from strangers 100%'

LadyAce says, 'because if i'm out in an inn, I want people to interact with me'

Fuego says, 'dont walk up to someone and pretend you know them'

Fuego says, 'it ALWAYS pisses me off'

Mitra nods her agreement with Kae.

Vahn says, 'and then when I do ask if anyone needs something I generally get ignored'

Arturo says, 'I will answer any calls for aid if I am not already on one, and if i am i will ask the others to wait, I find it is what I do best is help others,'

LadyAce says, 'when I'm not in an inn or on the road, I could be doing anything, in the middle of anything...'

Kyna doesn't like asking people things in person, cos they might feel pressured to say yes, or they might not be up to the task at hand and try it anyway.

Aquilante says, 'i am totally for not asking help..i have been raised the hard way 6 months to get to level 8 but i think i learned the mud by then'

Fuego says, 'unless you've interacted with the person before, YOU DONT KNOW THEM! :)'

Mitra says to Kyna, 'be assured, I can always say no'

Kae says to Kyna, 'that's probably where you and I would have a bad barrier, then :)'

Fuego nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Mitra nods her agreement with Fuego.

Kae nods her agreement with Fuego.

Chaykin says, 'I help people with eq, hints, rides to places if I can, but I flatly refuse to get people xp and levels'

Ea! can never remember who he's met with which characters.

Kyna nods her agreement with Ea!.

Ryan nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Mitra says, 'i don't like duel requests from people i've never met'

Mitra scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

LadyAce says to Kyna, 'there's more friendly and indirect ways to do it tho.'

Arturo says to Chaykin, 'I will not help with that either'

Kae says, 'I group with any fun people without caring whether they get xp or levels from it... It just happens'

Cerberus gets lots of lowbies levels.

Aquilante nods his agreement with Kae.

Cerberus shrugs philosophically.

Ea! says, 'It's embarassing to introduce yourself to someone and have them say that we'd been in a group together the other day.'

Mitra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Mitra giggles.

Sabu snickers softly.

Sabu nods his agreement with Ea!.

Aurelius laughs at Ea!.

LadyAce says to Kyna, 'My chars often will offer...not necessarily get any takers, but usually if there's a conversation, it'll come up'

Kyna nods solemnly.

Mitra says to Kae, 'yes, large wandering social masses '

Fuego says, 'yea, but theres a difference between introducing someone, and talking to them about things that happened on alts'

Kae says, 'gotta love 'em!'

Kyna says, 'thing is, I don't hang around in inns, so that people don't pester me for things I'd rather not do.'

Vahn says, 'Hey, at least I have 1 alt whos liked =P what more can a guy ask =P'

LadyAce says to Kyna, 'there's also places like restaurants, crossroads...'

Arturo says, 'I am still annoyed that when a player that helps others on a regular basis has problems finding help themselves'

Sabu nods his agreement with Arturo.

Ryan looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kyna says, 'is it the player or the char?'

Arturo says, 'char'

Soze joins Mitra's group.

Sabu says to Arturo, 'are you in a clan?'

Arturo says, 'sorry i do not intermix other than the obvious alt'

Kyna says, 'I must admit, I've had offers of help on this char, purely on what I did last time I was Kyna.'

Arturo says, 'i am as of 4 days ago'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'and they havent helped you?'

Sabu looks up into the sky and ponders.

Arturo says, 'heh they are never on'

Vahn says to Arturo, 'later man'

Sabu snickers softly.

Arturo says, 'the knights templar'

Arturo bows before Vahn.

LadyAce says, 'maybe you need a different clan'

Sasha says to Arturo, 'oh don't go there with people not helping you after your conning :P'

Kae says, 'that's a clan problem, then, and probably worth taking up with the clanmates'

Sabu says to Arturo, 'lets make a clan!'

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'heh I have strived to be worthy of that clan for 2 years'

Sabu feels better when in clans because he knows they will atleast help him.

Arturo scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Fuego says to Sabu, 'unfortunately thats not true :P'

Fuego sighs loudly.

Fuego says to Sabu, 'there are no clan ties anymore'

Sabu says to Fuego, 'not when the clan is inactive =p'

Kae peers at Fuego, looking him up and down.

Sasha says to Fuego, 'that's not true, Coven's been very tight lately'

Fuego says to Kae, 'im talking more PK then RP'

Kae says to Fuego, 'meet me out back and repeat that :P'

LadyAce says to Arturo, 'maybe it's not a eq-getting sort of clan then'

Dude says, 'will you be giving skill reimburses for eloquence?'

Kae says, 'it's a mostly inactive clan'

Kae says, 'and that will be changed :)'

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'heh I am not worried about that they were not on in that timeframe.'

Arturo says to LadyAce, 'I am just dissappointed with others here, that are helped but do not offer any.'

Arturo says, 'i am also annoyed that it took me losing about 20 million xp for people to notice that I had dt'd'

Reimbs for Eloquence?

Dude says, 'will you be giving skill reimburses for eloquence?'

Sabu nods his agreement with Dude.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Dude.

Dude says, 'you will? spiffy! i finally have enough practices to go to str!'

Dude cheers for himself since no one else has.

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'will it be automatic, or will you have to ask an imm every time?'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'hafta be a by-request kinda thing'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'with a time period?'

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'time limit'

Ea! says, 'You'll have to talk to an imm, and if you get a reimb but then realize you needed it for other skills or that you really wanted it for some reason, you'll be out of luck...'

Cerberus says, 'I'd like to suggest that everyone gets dropped the skill automatically, and then if you still want it you can re-learn it'

Boosting PK

Fuego says, 'so you've said that this month we were planning on boosting pkill, what else is planned?'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'I think the assassin game and the weekly tourneys are the primary thing. Sandra's going to do a pk lecture, she hasn't set a time/date.'

Sabu says to Fuego, 'um a nice AA has been a bad pker lately and is scaring a lot of late nighters out of AA and thinking of not enabling =p'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'and that Zaba guy did a cool pk discussion'

Ryan nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Wyvern says to Sabu, 'who'

Sabu says to Wyvern, 'takaya =p'

Fuego says, 'other then discussions... how can we encourage there to be new pkillers?'

Sabu winks suggestively at Wyvern.

Kae says to Fuego, 'good example'

Ea! says to Cerberus, 'Hasn't been decided yet.'

Kae says to Fuego, 'I kid you not, I see it work every day'

Fuego says, 'huh?'

Kae says to Fuego, 'take the clan you're in, most of your clanmates hadn't pkilled until they got there'

Fuego looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says to Fuego, 'so they're pk newbies now, but they won't remain newbies forever'

Fuego says, 'i guess...'

Fuego says, 'i was kinda hoping things would be revamped though'

Wyvern says, 'damn i wanna teach some newbies how to pk..'

Arturo says, 'may i make a suggestion regarding pkill please'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'i've seen a good stream of new pkers recently, but we might not be seeing the benefits of that yet'

Wyvern says, 'we should assemble a pk school! :P'

Aquilante says to Wyvern, 'teach me please'

Kae nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Wyvern, 'sounds like fun :P go for it'

Wyvern says to Aquilante, 'nothing to teach you :P'

Wyvern nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Sabu says to Wyvern, 'uh teach me!'

Cerberus says to Wyvern, 'may be an interesting clan idea'

Fuego says, 'we were put in a massive slump and i think the best way to get out of it is to rework it'

Aquilante sniffs sadly at Wyvern.

Sabu nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Kae says, 'gotta keep in mind that most people take some time from their first frightened pk loss to going accept all :P'

Kyna says, 'I tried pk, it was fun and stuff, but I hated the feeling that I was letting my opponents down by being too easy.'

Fuego says, 'wyvern teaches me all the time :)'

Mitra nods solemnly.

Aquilante giggles at Kyna.

LadyAce says to Kyna, 'I know what you mean'

Mitra says, 'and few of us few obligated to provide entertainment for other pkers'

Wyvern says to Fuego, 'more like i get pissed off and yell at you :)'

Lawrence bats his eyelashes at Kyna.

Lawrence lurks around Kyna ominously - glad he's not after you!

Mitra says, 'er feel'

Lawrence might stand a chance.

Kyna says, 'she sucked ... highlight of her career was getting to 50. when pkok came in I perma'd her.'

Fuego says, 'any chance of a revamping of the PK clans in some sort of way?'

Wyvern goes EEK! at Kyna in distress - isn't Kyna an awful person for teasing?

Aquilante says, 'taht was my hand raised few minutes ago'

Fuego rips aquilantes arm off and beats him with it

Aquilante ponders Fuego's existence.

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we have any clan changing plans right now'

Kyna says, 'but yeah, I don't mind losing/dying, etc, the reason I don't pk, is cos I'm not much fun for others to play with, and I feel bad about that.'

Fuego winks suggestively at Aquilante.

LadyAce says, 'but there was an interesting suggestion last night about clans'

Arturo pokes his hand which has turned blue from being held up for so long.

TheThing winks suggestively at Sandra.

Fuego says, 'whats that?'

Aquilante says, 'like?'

Sabu says, 'oh?'

Mitra says to Kyna, 'you arn't obligated to entertain ;)'

Kaige says, 'only possible clan change might be to increase max members by like 5 for a while see how that goes'

LadyAce says, 'kinda like a 'pledge night' -- a meeting with everyone who wants to be in a clan and everyone who wants members'

Aquilante giggles.

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'true, i'd forgotten about that'

Kae's all for the increase in members.

Fuego says, 'i would rather lower the max members'

Mitra shakes her head.

Sabu says, 'bah increase em!'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'did that ever go to the right lists? I always forget'

Tourach says, 'increasing the max members would help out .. ummm.. Coven :P'

Fuego says, 'more clans, but have them have to be approved by immortals'

Cerberus says, 'I would like to see it higher'

Tourach ducks to the ground.

Mitra says, 'clan smaller than that becomes a private club'

Kaige says to Fuego, 'I'd rather up the min members too, but'

Kaige giggles.

Aquilante says, 'can i go back to one suggestion?'

LadyAce says, 'noooo, no imm-approved anything :P'

Kae says to Mitra, 'yeah, then we're back at the cliques'

Wyvern says, 'yeah! gotta up the min members!'

Fuego says, 'yesss!'

Cerberus would like no limit on numbers.

Fuego says, 'look at the stupid clans we have!'

Wyvern says, 'in fact'

Wyvern says, 'yeah ya gibbering fool! no limit!'

Kae says to Fuego, 'seven circles!'

LadyAce says, 'we've done a whole lotta work to get out of that business, you're not gonna drag us back into it'

Wyvern throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'it was better tho!'

TheThing says, 'what happened to the old clan halls?'

Fuego says to Kae, 'yeah i hate that clan... all my clanmates hate me'

Aquilante says, 'can we make pkill clan obligated to accept each other?'

Fuego whimpers softly.

Fuego says, 'yea!'

Wyvern throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Mitra shakes her head.

Fuego says, 'i would love to see that change'

Mitra says, 'I'd not like that'

Kae says to Fuego, 'and your gm plots your death, right?'

Wyvern says, 'its like "clan chat, hey blah where are you i wanna jump you"'

Aquilante says, 'i just like to hear why not?'

Ea! says to Aquilante, 'The power over clan accept lists resides soley in the GM of the clan.'

LadyAce says, 'any jerk can make a clan, we're not going to force you to accept other clans'

Fuego says, 'i also want to see a benefit for being accept all'

Arturo smiles at TheThing.

Mitra says, ''cause clans should have the same right not to play with jerks'

Aquilante says to Ea!, 'i know taht but why cannot change it?'

Aquilante says to Mitra, 'so you go in Rp clan'

Ea! says to Aquilante, 'Mitra answered that more eloquently than I could have.'

Arturo says, 'quick question if I may?'

Aquilante shakes his head.

Fuego says, 'there really needs to be a benefit for being accept all... right now all i see is a disadvantage because your more able to have a code abused on you'

Aquilante says, 'you can choose to go in RP clan'

LadyAce says, 'let me interject that if you have a question, we're out of the 'hands' phase here, and just rolling along. Please toss in questions as you have them'

Hrutwang says, 'benefit for aa would be nice not to go ooc'

Mitra says, 'the whole idea of pkok is to choose your playmates'

Hrutwang nods solemnly.

Fuego says, 'so?'

Ea! says to Aquilante, 'If you're a clan that wants to fight everyone except for one person you don't like, you're not an RP clan... your a PK clan.'

Aquilante says to Mitra, 'so you go in Rp clan'

Wyvern says, 'whats the genotype of a biological dysfunctional human in the x chromosone crossed with the y with a mutation?'

Fuego says, 'why does that mean AA has to have a great disadvantage?'

Mitra says to Aquilante, 'can't, I'm Coven'

Mitra giggles.

Ea! says to Aquilante, ''sides, if we force all pk clans to accept all the other ones, people'd just stop making pk clans.'

Kae says, 'yep'

Aquilante says to Ea!, 'i think it's ok to reject one person..not rejeact other clans'

Fuego says, 'they're doing that already!'

TheThing says, 'why can't I make a Temple of LadyAce in my house?'

Kyna says, 'it'd kill some of the current pk clans.'

Ea! says to Aquilante, 'Or one clan... same theory.'

Fuego says, 'theres no benefit to making a PK clan!'

Aquilante says to Ea!, 'is not'

Arturo says, 'is there really such a thing as an rp clan with the new pkill system in place?'

Fuego says, 'nor being AA'

Kae says, 'no'

Aquilante says, 'you can always anyway choose to go in a rp clan'

Huginn says to TheThing, 'cause imms are ooc'

Kae says, 'at least the rp clans I'm in all have pkill active members'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Kae.

Aquilante says, 'so why not make pkill clan obligated to accept other clan?'

Wyvern says, 'hrm..yeah whats the dif between rp and pk clan anyway...with pkok?'

Fuego nods his agreement with Wyvern.

Arturo says, 'thus no rp clans truly exist'

Chaykin says, 'there really isn't a difference between pk and rp clans nowadays that I can see, other than intent'

TheThing shakes his head in disagreement with Chaykin.

TheThing shakes his head in disagreement with Chaykin.

TheThing shakes his head in disagreement with Chaykin.

TheThing shakes his head in disagreement with Chaykin.

Aquilante says, 'exactky'

Mitra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Mitra shrugs helplessly.

Aquilante says, 'so let's make the difference!'

Kaige says, 'I'm all for pulling the two types and making one type of clan'

Chaykin peers at TheThing, looking him up and down.

Arturo says, 'so why differentiate anymore'

TheThing is staggered by Wyvern's spam!

Chaykin says to TheThing, 'shake your head a few more times so I don't miss it'

Huginn says, 'part of it is your decision to surrender control to the CM'

Wyvern says, 'yeah kaige'

Fuego says, 'absolutely no difference exceot the disadvantage of the fact that your GM can force you to accept someone you dont want to'

Huginn says, 'GM even'

Chaykin tickles TheThing.

Kae says, 'I dunno, I think an RP clan with pkill members has kind of declared its intent to do IC combat only, whereas pk often is more pk for the fun and profit'

Fuego says, 'yet another disadvantage for being PK'

Aquilante nods solemnly.

Ryan grumbles.

Arturo nods his agreement with Fuego.

Arturo says to Fuego, 'ahh now i understand last night'

Soze says, 'if people claim it's an RP clan, why would the GM enforce an accept?'

Kaige says to Fuego, 'isn't that the same as you agreeing to be in a pk clan and having to accept people you don't want to if we changed it so pk clans accepted all others?'

Kae says to Soze, 'good one, I've wondered that too'

Fuego says to Kaige, 'i didnt say make all PK clans accept all PK clans'

Fuego says to Kaige, 'what i am saying is that all i see is disadvantages to being PK, and if we want to boost pkill, that has to be changed'

Soze says, 'and if they claim to have an RP clan, and the GM DOES enforce an accept without discussing it with the memebers, why would the rest of the RP'ers in the clan want him/her for GM?'

Soze says, 'just a thought'

Aquilante says, 'honestly none answred me..why cannot we force pkil clan to accept each other?'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'I did answer...you just didn't agree.'

Mitra says, 'becaue the clans don't wanna'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'it's our position that pk clans should be able to decide not to play with other pkill clans.'

Aquilante looks up into the sky and ponders.

Soze says, 'wouldn't that quite dishrup the entire discussion of whether we should have one type of clan[s]?'

Aquilante says to LadyAce, 'how they are different from rp clan so?'

Wyvern says, 'yes yes, one type of clan'

Aquilante nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'I kind of agree that there's no longer any reason to have seperate RP and PK clans'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Soze nods his agreement with Chaykin.

LadyAce says, 'hrm, I disagree there...'

Sasha nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Aquilante says, 'make them equal or differentiate them'

Chaykin says to LadyAce, 'why?'

LadyAce says, 'I think the differences are really important.'

Wyvern says, 'it would also further support legends theory of pk and rp working together.'

Tourach says, 'there's never really been an advantage to having a pk clan, in my opinion'

LadyAce says, 'in an RP clan, your gm can't force you to accept people'

Chaykin looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says, 'err, wrong'

LadyAce says, 'in a pk clan, the GM can force you to pk with people.'

Mitra looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says to LadyAce, 'that's not true'

LadyAce says, 'to me that's a big deal.'

Soze says, 'imho RP clans are flirting with PK, and could become more engaged once they know there are others who wants to "play"'

LadyAce says to Kae, 'is too :P'

Mitra says, 'but my gm decides what clans i accept'

Sasha says, 'thay can make me accept them, can't make me fight them!'

Kae says to LadyAce, 'If I accept a clan, my clannies have to reject them'

Aquilante says, 'you can always reject them'

Kae says to LadyAce, 'may not be how it's meant to be, but it's how it iss'

LadyAce says to Kae, 'right, but the gm can be overridden.'

Sasha shakes her head in disagreement with Aquilante.

Sasha says, 'clan overrides'

Kae says, 'right'

Sandra says, 'right, but the point is, you *can* override it as an rp clan'

Aquilante says to LadyAce, 'so no difference at all'

Kae nods solemnly.

Cerberus is all for removing the rp/pk clan designation.

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'Huge difference.'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Sandra.

Sasha says to Sandra, 'you can?'

Tourach says, 'sounds like none of my ideas are being implemented!'

Tourach sulks in the corner.

Soze nods his agreement with Cerberus.

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'you cannot ever reject someone your gm accepts.'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'if you are in a pk clan'

Sandra says, 'as a pk clan, you can abandon your clan to override it's accept list, that's it.'

Tourach sticks his tongue out at everyone! =P

Aquilante says to LadyAce, 'is not if you can overrid GM is no difference'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'if rp, you CAN override that gm.'

Aquilante says, 'even in pkill'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'rp clan can override gm, pk can't.'

Aquilante says, 'you can reject individual'

Wyvern says, 'to make their name one char longer.'

Sandra says, 'but if the character you reject is in a pk clan that your clan has accepted, you're reject is overridden by the clan'

Aquilante says to LadyAce, 'if you are in pkill clan you can overrid your GM i think'

Arturo says, 'see I am truly a drone, I will accept those that my clan accepts on speculation, I mean that is until i have reason to doubt the selection.'

Sandra shakes her head in disagreement with Aquilante.

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'No, you can't.'

Aquilante says, 'individual?'

Chaykin says, 'it still seems a pretty small difference to me'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Kae says to Arturo, 'and hopefully yell at the GM if you think he or she has made a mistake'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'try it :P'

Soze nods his agreement with Chaykin.

Aquilante says, 'i;m GM'

Aquilante giggles.

LadyAce pokes Aquilante in the ribs.

LadyAce pokes Aquilante in the ribs.

LadyAce pokes Aquilante in the ribs.

Hrutwang chuckles politely at Aquilante's feeble witticism.

Redeeming out of PKOK?

TheThing says, 'why is it that you took out the "redeem out of PK entirely" system when you made PKok?'

Kyna says to TheThing, 'cos you can redeem out of pk entirely by typing 'reject all''

TheThing says, 'I personally know of one RP clan that is being torn apart because a couple of its members tried PKok and now they can't leave it entirely, cbecause you removed the redemption point option'

TheThing says, 'and dont give me that crap about being Reject All is out, becuase it isnt'

Chaykin says to TheThing, 'yes it is :P'

Huginn says to TheThing, 'it is'

Cerberus peers at TheThing, looking him up and down.

Wyvern says to TheThing, 'why isn't it?'

TheThing says to Chaykin, 'it is NOT'

Chaykin says to TheThing, 'explain to me the logic in that'

Sandra says, 'that's silly. It is. If they 'can't get out of it', it's because they don't want to'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Sandra.

Kyna says to TheThing, 'what's the difference between reject all, with no accepts ... and never going pkok?'

Wyvern says, 'it's like saying you can't stop somebody from permaing you...its almost impossible for somebody to perma you.'

TheThing says to Chaykin, 'if you are pkok reject all and one of your friends die you have the Ability to accept someone and fight again, if you redeem out like in the old days that temptation is removed'

Aquilante says, 'i say like Kaige said ot take off differences between clan or give pkil clan an option'

Chaykin says to TheThing, 'but that is your choice'

Aquilante says, 'like you have to accept all pkill'

Cerberus says to TheThing, 'thats not the same thing'

TheThing says to Chaykin, 'and it should be my choice to redeem all the way out of PKok'

Cerberus says to TheThing, 'so you want them to code something jsut because you have no self-discipline?'

Sabu says to TheThing, 'uh.. its really not hard to stay reject all =p'

Chaykin says to TheThing, 'what you're saying makes no sense. if you want to be out of pk, reject all, and just if you feel like accepting all again, DON'T'

Chaykin says to TheThing, 'you can't blame the imms because you lack the will power to stay out of it'

Fuego says to TheThing, 'your complaining about your temptations so your upset about a code change?!?!?!'

Fuego is completely boggled.

TheThing says to Ea!, 'and yet there used to be a one point redemption for players to remove themselves from the PK arena and that is gone now'

Kyna says to TheThing, 'or to code something because you feel guilty if you say no?'

Wyvern cackles gleefully at Chaykin - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Fuego isnt going to start with that one cause it will only get him glued

TheThing says, 'does no one here see the legitimacy of my point?'

Kaige thanks Fuego heartily.

Ea! says to TheThing, 'The temptation is still there, regardless -- you could always ask an imm to repkokset you.'

Huginn says to TheThing, 'no one does'

Chaykin says to TheThing, 'nope'

Wyvern resists the urge to get upset and breath down fire!

LadyAce says, 'well, I know of people who have asked me to siteban them so they won't log in'

Lawrence thinks the pkill timer is too low...

TheThing says, 'then again I see the Immortals are unwilling to listen to logic and my coming here has been wasted'

Lawrence flops about helplessly.

Sasha giggles at Wyvern.

TheThing says, 'so screw you all - AGAIN'

Cerberus says to TheThing, 'its not much of a point. All you are saying is that you can't resist temptation, and that you think the imms should code around that for you'

Kyna says, 'if you're saying you are having probs in your clan because you won't accept somebody when the peer pressure wants you to, then maybe you're in the wrong clan.'

Chaykin rolls his eyes heavenward.

Sabu laughs with amusement.

Kae rolls her eyes heavenward.

Aquilante giggles.

Chaykin says, 'sheesh, what a stage show this Q&A has been'

Tourach ponders the idea of asking for all the changes you want in, then whining and leaving when they aren't all implemented.

Unlearning Skills?

Sasha says, 'sorry if someone asked this, but are there plans to allow you to unlearn a skill with your first redeem point? I remember some talk about this'

Ea! says to Sasha, 'It was decided when redemption points went in that there would be no in-game benefits from them.'

Sasha says to Ea!, 'nodnod'

Sasha says, 'fair enough'

PK Timer

Arturo says, 'why is it the pkill timer is set so high?'

Ea! says to Arturo, 'It was balanced to be set somewhere in between the people who think it's too high and those who think it's too low.'

Arturo says, 'I am barely on that long in a week let alone two or three days, and it does not seem to go down as fast in a safe room or a house'

Ea! says, 'Basically, it's long enough that you can't attack someone without repercution, but short enough that it lets you avoid someone who's abusing pk.'

Lawrence still thinks the timer is too short!

Tourach says, 'you can still attack people without repercussion'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Lawrence.

Tourach says, 'just run to the one person no_shoot room :P'

Wyvern says to Lawrence, 'i agree but i didn't wanna say that cuz i was afraid everyone was gonna kick my ass for saying dat :P'

Tourach says, 'and wait there til it ticks off'

Sasha snickers at Tourach nastily.

Kyna says, 'didn't think it ticked down at all in a safe room or a house?'

Lawrence giggles at Wyvern.

Tourach says, 'I didn't say safe room ;)'

Lawrence's a peaceful elf who thinks the timer is too damn short.

Mitra giggles at Lawrence.

Sasha says to Tourach, 'shhhhhh'

Tourach says, 'it's a room that's not a safe room, but is one person and no_shoot :P'

Wyvern says, 'there are a couple places you can tick down safely....'

Kyna says, 'or there's the gong room.'

Cerberus says, 'that one person room really needs to be changed... without annoucing it to the mud :)'

Sasha says, 'nah, you still gotta leave it, can't reacall out of it'

More on Boosting PK

Fuego says, 'btw, may i suggest a Q & A based completely on boosting pkill? since thats what this months supposed to be about?'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'I thought we already had one of those!'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'that was different :P'

LadyAce sticks her tongue out at Fuego. =P

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'that was on how to PK better'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'im talking about ideas on how to make PK better'

LadyAce says, 'sounds like a board post rather than a q and a'

Fuego says, 'nah, it needs a discussion'

Fuego says, 'like we can hold a meeting to discuss how being PK needs to have at least ONE advantage as opposed to the million disadvantages it has :P'

Ea! says, 'My take on PK is that there are a lot of lazy pkillers who don't want to organize themselves, they want someone else to organize them.'

Huginn nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'Take the Assassin game -- originally, it was discussed as something that would be organized by pkillers for pkillers...'

Ea! says, 'But instead, Kaige is organizing it...'

Fuego says, 'think about PK... we automatically lose XP because its 375k for a loss, and a lousy 17k for a win, and we get abused by the PKOK code'

Fuego says, 'what reason would people have to go AA?'

Fuego says, '"its exciting" doesnt cut it'

Sasha says to Fuego, 'aa won't be a big deal if you get a mark next to the people you can fight with...'

Cerberus nods his agreement with Sasha.

Sasha says to Fuego, 'only problem with aa is that it's the ONLY way you can see who you can fight'

Fuego says to Sasha, 'but there is absolutely NO advantage to pkilling'

Mitra says to Fuego, 'besides the sheer joy of doing it?'

Fuego nods his agreement with Mitra.

Fuego says to Mitra, '"its exciting" doesnt cut it'

Mitra says, 'seems like an advantage to me'

Wyvern says, 'i like AA..makes ppl attack you more.'

Fuego says to Mitra, 'not when we are trying to interest new people'

Mitra says to Fuego, 'what about the ability to throttle people that annoy you?'

Mitra chuckles politely.

Kaige says to Mitra, 'having smarter-than-the-average-mob prey seems like a pro to me too'

Mitra says, 'well, i'm still a new pker'

Fuego says to Mitra, 'not being AA has that ability too'

Mitra says, 'and the thrill makes it work for me'

Mitra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Ea! says, 'There's never going to be an in-game benefit to pkilling. If we did that, then the mud would be about pkill instead of making pkill an option for people who want to do it.'

Mitra says, 'just like there is no in game benefit for rp'

Ea! nods his agreement with Mitra.

Mitra says, 'imagine being forced to rp'

Fuego says, 'there is no disadvantage tho'

Kae says, 'except the fuuuuuun'

Wyvern says, 'pk gives you the same warm fuzzy feeling inside that you get when helping ppl...instead now its killing them!'

Mitra wrinkles her nose distastefully.

Wyvern throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Mitra says to Fuego, 'oh really'

Mitra giggles.

Fuego nods his agreement with Mitra.

Mitra says to Fuego, 'i've gotten into some real messes rping'

Fuego says to Mitra, 'absoultely'

LadyAce says, 'there's rp benefit for rping'

Fuego says, 'there is no disadvantage to RP, there is to PK'

LadyAce says, 'and pk benefit for pking.'

Ea! says, 'There's tons of disadvantages to rping. Say your RP is that of an orthodox jew -- you can't work on Saturdays, which means no fighting except in self defense.'

Mitra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Mitra says to Ea!, 'ooh, i should make one'

LadyAce says, 'another disadvantage to rp can be a lot of heartache when people mess it up for you'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'you get to choose what RP you want'

Mitra nods her agreement with Kae.

Fuego says, 'thats not in game though'

Ea! says, 'Yes, you do.'

Wyvern cackles gleefully at Ea! - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Fuego says, 'in game, there are disadvantages to being PK that arent there to being RP'

LadyAce says, 'it's a large personal risk-taking. the benefits and risks are emotional and intellectual.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Kaige says, 'or being told you're a dork on channels because you go to a meeting in the ooc... makes me wanna go rp more'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Ea! says, 'But if I'm grouped with an orthodox jew, I dono't get healed as soon as nightfall on Friday night.'

Mitra says, 'or rping someone vulnerable and getting stomped on'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'then you dont have an active PKer do you?'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'You'll know when you see the info.'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'if you made a very active PKer in a PK clan, you would see the dire need to make a change'

Soze says to Chaykin, 'if you are a GM of an RP clan, surely your members would protest loudly if they didn't agree in an accept'

Aquilante says, 'ok let me make clear you don't want to change pkill and rp because of The GM overrid..right?'

Arturo says, 'well my alt is needed be well all'

Kae says, 'I sure hope so, speaking as GM of two RP clans :P'

Arturo waves happily.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Soze.

Aquilante says, 'so in pkill clan decide the options for clan but does not necessarily have to accept everyone?'

Soze says to Chaykin, 'and you could start wondering how long time you had left as a clan or GM if you didn't reject'

Aquilante says, 'if you want to keep the pkill lcan like they are only because of the override of the Gm can i say something else?'

Ea! says to Aquilante, 'I don't think that's the cause and effect...'

Ea! says, 'We don't want to muck with pkill clans because we don't see a need.'

Aquilante says to Ea!, 'why not?'

Aquilante says, 'i swear i just a want a reason of why is not possible to muck with pkill clan'

Ea! says, 'I can only speak for myself on this, but before I start making complex code changes, I'd like to see the pkill comunity put something in to the game as a community itself.'

Cerberus still doesn't get it, despite the explinations.

Cerberus peers at himself myopically.

Ea! says, 'I see a dire need for an attitude change by pkillers... but I don't see that the code will fix it.'

Aquilante says, 'and eventually discuss it :)'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'we are trying as hard as we can'

Sandra says, 'I don't pk constantly, but I do pk. I don't see a dire need for anything other than what Ea just said =P'

Wyvern says, 'i've made a lot of friends that way...randomly backstabbing passerbyers at inns...'

Aquilante says to Ea!, 'you saying that we aren't trying now?'

Mitra says, 'I still think it's improved drastically'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'we behave, we help newbies, we hold PK discussion!'

Wyvern says, 'in fact..i think thats how fuego and I met... :P'

Tuddle chuckles politely at Ea!'s feeble witticism.

Sabu says to Fuego, 'um there are some that are idiots still'

Fuego says, 'what else should we do? go over their house and win the PK fight for them?'

Ea! says to Aquilante, 'Right now you're trying to find a way to get someone else (me) to do it for you.'

Aquilante shakes his head.

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'Over time, I've become convinced that you're trying. I was skeptical at first, but I buy it now.'

Kae nods solemnly.

Kaige says to Ea!, 'or at least hold out little carrots for them'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'I think you try too. We're just not ready to do it for you.'

Fuego says, 'so we are trying quite hard, we need something to show for it'

Sasha giggles at Fuego.

Kae says to Fuego, 'come to my house! win my fights! do my laundry!'

Kae tugs on Fuego's sleeve imploringly.

Fuego says, 'we can only work our asses off so long without any rewards before we give up'

Ea! says, 'Okay, you've got to try *and* you have to have some success.'

Aquilante says, 'i think some help from imms to make pkill more viable would go a long way'

Kyna says, 'eww, all those coffee stains on the clothes'

Aquilante says, 'well i pkil quite a bit'

Sasha grins evilly at Haley.. wonder what she's thinking...

Ea! says, 'Why do you expect the rewards to come from the imms as opposed to from the players?'

Haley smiles happily.

Wyvern says, 'i almost stopped pkill altogether :('

Aquilante says, 'i'm not saying that'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'we are trying so damn hard, we need immortal help to become successful'

Aquilante says, 'not reward..help?'

Sandra says to Wyvern, 'I hate to say it, but then you're part of theproblem =P'

Mitra says, 'i don't want immortal interference'

Mitra chuckles politely.

Wyvern says to Sandra, 'i know :P i don't play much anymore, but i'm trying to come back :P'

Fuego says, 'wyvern gave up, much like many of the other PKillers that have tried for so long'

Ea! says, 'What sort of help do you need -- and by help, I mean, what sort of help do you need organizing the community?'

Aquilante says, 'is not immortal interference is just a change in code'

Aquilante says, 'pkill clan change'

Sandra says, 'I don't believe that they tried. They came, they whined, they sat ooc and afk for hours, and then they left.'

Ea! says, 'How's that going to improve the organization of the pkill community?'

Aquilante says, 'at least dicuss about it'

Ea! says, 'I mean, here's the problem...'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'we feel that our ideas are just being shot down without any thought, perhaps there is a way we can both win, we get some help, and you dont break rules'

Aquilante says, 'can i say it how?'

LadyAce says, 'we're not interested in changing the code like that. We have talked about this one until we're blue in the face, and it's not a topic we're budging on.'

Aquilante says, 'if we had even only 2 pkill clan obligated to accept eaxch other'

Ea! says, 'there's a bunch of new blood in pkill -- they're not your "hard core" pkillers, but they really like the new system. Why should we screw things over for them?'

LadyAce says, 'find something else to beat on us about :P'

Aquilante says, 'we could divide the mud in evil clan and good clan'

Fuego says, 'but then how can you expect the pkill community to change if you refuse to make a change?'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'tons of pk clans are accepting all the other pk clans'

Wyvern says, 'good always wins!'

Kae says, 'I think a LOT of people are tired of good vs bad'

Ea! says, 'I see a few problems:'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kae.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kae.

Ea! says, 'I see a few problems with the code change suggested:'

Aquilante says, 'only for pkill clan'

Aquilante says, 'i'm not saying other clan cannot participate'

Ea! says, 'First, it will cause problems for some of the non-"hard core" pkillers.'

Aquilante says, 'why they can rp?'

Fuego says, 'so why cant we work those out so that we at least get something? rather then a "no, go fix it yourself"'

Chaykin says, 'there aren't any hardcore pkers on legend'

Ea! says, 'Second, it's going to increase the load on the admin department -- because people will be upset that they're being harassed and their only option is to abandon their group of friends (the clan)'

Aquilante says, 'well friends can make rp clans'

Fuego nods solemnly.

Aquilante says, 'i do not see problems'

Aquilante says, 'if you are in pkill pkill!'

Sandra says to Aquilante, 'why should we force them to stay out of pk because there are one or two jerks? This is what brought pkok to start with'

Kaige says, 'why upset existing groups like that tho?'

Ea! says, 'Oh, and third... people will decide that there's no reason to be in a pkill clan when they can be in an rp clan, so no one will make pkill clans anymore.'

Aquilante says to Sandra, 'you can still pkill in rp clan'

Kyna says, 'I noticed the % of aa's logged on increased from 5 to 7 according to the LT. It's a small change, but is an improvement that is happening.'

Aquilante says, 'where is the problem?'

Fuego says, 'i just want you guys to know that the pkillers refuse to idea things because we know the answer "no! go fix it yourself, and stop whining to us"'

Ea! says, 'Okay, listen:'

Fuego says, 'at least thats how they feel'

Aquilante nods his agreement with Ea!.

Tancred's inclined to get wasted by whoever gives him fair IC reason to.

Ea! says, 'I will *not* implement a change that will get the admin department saying that pkill needs to be pulled.'

Sandra says, 'Personally, I *like* being in a pk clan. Mine accepts all other pk clans. I enjoy that part of it, I also like to rp. But if you're gonna tell me I should be in an rp clan, you'll just piss me off =P'

Mitra grins evilly at Tancred.. wonder what she's thinking...

Haley joins Mitra's group.

Soze taunts Tancred mercilessly.

Ea! says, 'Frankly, there's still a noticable number of imms who think that pkok didn't fix the problems with pkill and we should pull it.'

Mitra giggles at Sandra.

Tancred threatens Soze.

Aquilante says, 'that's the second part of my change'

Aquilante says, 'wait'

Fuego says, 'pull PK?'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'then I have no sympathy at all. You can't get this pkclan change and suddenly the sky is falling? You should think of something else to wish for :P'

Fuego peers around the room intently.

LadyAce says, 'it's pkok or the highway, far as pk is concerned.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'we try, when have you ever seen the pkill society behave so well?'

Aquilante says, 'in ro clan you can have some kind of vote..like pledge to keep it like it is now..Gm decide'

Aquilante says, 'what you think about it?'

Sandra says, 'I think that what you're all doing so far is great. I think also that you need to take it a step further.'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'I do agree that I haven't gotten a lot of pk-related complaints. But the absence of negative is not the same as the production of positives'

Ea! says, 'If we water down pkok and make it more like the old system, we'll loose a lot of the support we have for it. And then pk will go.'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'you're half way there, don't give up.'

Tancred says, 'I waited 3 years to get killed by my IC enemies, I'd hate to see pkok go'

Wyvern rolls around on the ground with laughter.

Aquilante says, 'i don't want pkok go!'

Ea! says to Aquilante, 'If you don't like your GM's pkill policy, pledge someone else. How is the new system different?'

Fuego says, 'me neither'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'especially when some admins still say that 5/6 of their admin things are pk complaint related'

Aquilante giggles.

Fuego says, 'i just think things need to be updated a bit so that we have more to work with'

Wyvern says, 'hrm is there anyway to build area for legend w/out being an immortal?'

Aquilante says to Ea!, 'that was not my point'

Fuego says, 'right now all we have is disadvantages'

Kae says to Wyvern, 'nope'

Wyvern says, 'like build the area then give it to legend or something?'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'which seems a little different than my experience, but what do I know :P'

Sandra says to Wyvern, 'no'

Wyvern says, 'doh'

Tourach says, 'is that 5/6 including the people who try to get people killed without being pk types?'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'What sort of advantages do you think would help?'

SkullKrusher says, 'wow long q and a'

Kaige says to Tourach, 'I have no idea. They didn't give any specific examples and I know my admin ratio isn't that.. it's much lower these days'

Tourach nods solemnly.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Fuego says, 'on the spot, i do not know, but i have seen so many briliant ideas that get shot down with no compromise'

Aquilante giggles.

LadyAce smiles at X'z.

Ea! says, 'Let's assume for a minute that the disadvantages that exist are going to stay -- that we can't get rid of them without altering pkok in a way that we're not comfortable doing.'

Ea! says, 'What can we do to compensate on the other direction?'

X'z says, 'But I 100% think that the on/off of reject needs to be dealt with in a manner that would suit pk'

Aquilante nods solemnly.

Aquilante says, 'let's think about it'

Tourach personally thinks that elimination of rooms used to hide until you can reject would be a benefit.

Fuego shrugs helplessly.

Fuego says, 'that should be worked out with the pkill community so that we can get something that 'will' work'

Aquilante says, 'if you are adamant on not changing pkill clan'

Fuego says to Tourach, 'that could be one, but i dont think its a major one'

Fuego says to Tourach, 'we're more interested in getting people to be active in pkill'

Aquilante says, 'can we have a discussion about it again?'

Fuego nods solemnly.

Fuego says, 'please'

Tourach says, 'well, that would encourage people to be active for times longer than 1 kill :P'

Sandra says, 'those rooms are going away tomorrow'

Kyna goes EEK! at Sandra in distress - isn't Sandra an awful person for teasing?

Tourach says, 'no more sulking for me!'

Tancred cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Sandra says, 'so if you plan to hide on the mountain for 48 ticks, I feel bad for you =P'

Mitra giggles.

Aquilante cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

Tourach says, 'especially if you're afk!'

X'z says to Sandra, 'yeah I got that fixed! :P'

Sabu laughs with amusement.

X'z struts proudly.

Aquilante says, 'now that's a nice change'

Sandra says, 'no you didn't'

Fuego chuckles politely.

X'z says, 'well, i told rufus about it!'

Tourach hasn't seen Rufus in ages.

Fuego says, 'see? things like this are what we need'

Kyna says, 'all of the rooms like that are going?'

LadyAce says, 'area changes...there's a lot more room for changes there'

Fuego says, 'we proposed a problem we see to be fixed, and the players and the immortal staff compromise to get things to work'

Kyna says, 'what if you want to reject someone, and they won't let you?'

Sandra says to Kyna, 'right now, 1 set is. If I find others, I will ask for them to be changed as well.'

LadyAce says, 'not really a compromise so much as an 'agree with a problem report''

Tourach says, 'then you shouldn't have accepted them in the first place'

Kae says to Kyna, 'avoid them long enough and they can't prevent it'

Tourach nods his agreement with Kae.

Kyna says, 'which is a valid fear for maybe I could try pkill types'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'well there needs to be more compromise if there is going to be a boost to pkill'

Fuego says, 'we are the ones that explore the problems every day'

LadyAce says, 'compromise would be if you had something we wanted .... create an environment we want to keep and that you like, that might qualify'

Fuego says, 'we are the ones that know whats wrong and what needs to be fixed'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'well, you're one view among many :)'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'so have more discussions about it'

Mutual Accepts on Who?

Cerberus says to LadyAce, 'I suggested on the discussion board a few weeks ago that everyone that you can currently fight be marked with an asterix on the whos. Is there a reason why this wouldn't work?'

Kae says, 'I dislike a list of targets'

Sasha nods her agreement with Cerberus.

Sandra says to Cerberus, 'that sounds like a menu to me =P'

LadyAce says to Cerberus, 'I think the * is about aa, i don't wanna dilute that'

Cerberus says, 'why all the noise about AA?'

Ea! says to Cerberus, 'Additionally, we don't want the who list to become a shopping list for pkillers.'

Cerberus says, 'AA is just an easy way of accepting a big group of people. I don't see why they should use different rules'

Sasha says, 'dunno, I think there's only noise about AA because you get to see who you can fight... but anything else you can't... I don't think wanting to see who you can fight is the same as wanting to fight everyone'

LadyAce says to Sasha, 'I understand that they serve different purposes. The trouble is the creation of a 'menu' of targets'

Sasha nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Sasha, 'that's why we pulled levels from whos, among other reasons.'

Sasha says to LadyAce, 'it's the seeing rosters?'

Kyna says, 'but people wouldnt be accepting if they didn't want to be a target'

Sasha nods her agreement with Kyna.

LadyAce says, 'it's a dehumanizing process...not having to learn about your fellow players, figure out what they're up to, but just bing, pick them off a list.'

Kyna says, 'it's not like old pkill, where you couldn't reject those you didn't want to fight.'

XP Loss Changes?

Sabu says, 'ok i know this is gunna sound stupid or maybe even bad but im gunna ask anyway'

Sabu says, 'i would like to see xp loss factored to the level of the mob/player whatever you die to instead of the massive xp loss it is now'

Tancred says, '"massive"?'

Sabu says, 'yeah massive'

Tancred says, 'I thought death was a joke...'

Tourach says, 'dying is less than an hour's work, honestly...'

Tancred says, 'guess opinions vary'

Sandra says to Sabu, 'eh'

Tourach says, 'which is far more fair than it is in reality'

Ea! says, 'XP loss at death is likely to go up.'

Kyna remembers the old xp system.

Fuego says, 'theres another thing i was thinking of by the way'

Sandra nods her agreement with Ea!.

Sabu says, 'ack!'

Kyna says, 'this is NOT massive.'

Sandra says, 'xp loss is patheticly low'

Tancred nods his agreement with Kyna.

XP and PKill & Clan Wars

Fuego says, 'think of XP in a PK sense'

Fuego says, 'if you lose a PK fight, thats 375k xp loss'

Kaige gasps in astonishment.

Kaige says, 'you mean less than if you died to a mob?!?!'

Fuego says, 'but if you win, you get a lousy 17k?'

Aquilante smiles at Sandra.

X'z says, 'not it isnt is it?'

X'z looks very confused.

Tancred says, 'in a PK sense I can afford to lose my next 72 battles without raising a finger?'

Sabu says, '750k is about 16 level 50 mobs?'

LadyAce says, 'guess it's not about the xp when you win :)'

LadyAce says, 'it does seem like the initial pk kill could be worth more'

Sandra says to Sabu, 'It's about 10'

Kyna says, 'a stock-standard level 50 mob is around 20K when you win.'

Fuego says, 'well, theres another disadvanrage to pkillers, now isnt it?'

Ea! says, 'The problem with giving people a lot of xp for winning a pkill battle is that it's easy to pkill someone who wants to die to level.'

LadyAce says, 'there's a problem with multis if you make it worth more'

Sabu says to Sandra, 'not counting ones that kick your butt =p'

Chaykin says, 'I think what people are overlooking is that most of the mud just isn't interested in the kind of pk you are trying to promote. if you can change that, great, but...'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Tourach says, 'either that, or it's an advantage'

Mitra nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Tourach says, 'you lose a lot less xp for death'

Kyna nods solemnly.

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'i want clan wars... its wishful thinking, but...'

Kyna says, 'half xp loss on death, but around the same xp as a stock-standard 50 mob if you win.'

Chaykin says, 'clan wars were only fun when they meant something'

Mitra suggests you recruit new legend players that want the same then

Fuego nods solemnly.

Tourach says, 'clan wars can only be implemented by two clans agreeing to fight'

Fuego says, 'exactly'

Mitra says, 'trying to make the rest of us pk like you do is kinda silly'

Fuego says, 'now a clan war is "I declare war on you cause im bored"'

Tourach says, 'the OTS-Sec war was one of the coolest clan wars of all time, and it did not have to involve imms in any major way'

LadyAce says, 'I'm hoping that the gang wars show people some of the fun of a big war.'

Tourach says, 'except for maybe providing the "Harp of Homer" for Lori to steal'

Aquilante nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Sabu scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'maybe, its a little too hectic though for people to get that idea'

Chaykin says, 'my alt is the GM of a pk clan, I asked prolly 2 or 3 other GMs about having a pk war and got no response'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Tourach says, 'discuss matters with another clan, set up an RP plot'

Sandra says to Tourach, 'and I didn't even have the steal skill!'

Aquilante says, 'that gangwar was bloody fun!'

LadyAce giggles.

Tourach jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Sandra!

Sandra giggles.

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'cause they dont mean anything anymore'

Mitra curtseys gracefully.

Chaykin nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'in a PK clan there are no clanmate bonds'

Fuego says to Chaykin, 'and thats a HUGE problem'

Sandra says, 'I dunno, the coven/knight war was fun =P'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'how many years ago?'

Tourach says to Sandra, 'you mean when mistress was huntin the knights down?'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'oh that was a while ago, but I'm slow ;)'

Kae slowly fades into thin air.

Tourach says, 'or after that?'

LadyAce was a little bit busy last week with the tp stuffies

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'that had an event that touched it off, which no one really saw coming, they just went with it'

Sandra says to Tourach, 'no, when Abigail went after th em all'

Tourach nods solemnly.

Tourach says, 'Mistress was cooler!'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'we need stuff to start wars before we can have ones with meaning'

Tourach says, 'the merc grendel wars kind of missed something of the previous clan wars'

Tourach says, 'it was either RP, or Civility'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'oh I agree. I think that people can always come up with things to start a war. But people seem less inventive these days'

Tourach says, 'I don't remember which :P'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'well'

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'I don't know that anyone really "came up with" the stuff that started that war, it just sorta happened'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'they can't even seem to find good reason to form a clan around'

Tourach still needs to find some time one of these Saturdays to show up for the gangwars....

Kaige sighs loudly.

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'aw, it was so fun! ;)'

Aquilante says to Sandra, 'that's true but i'm not a good rplayer...my only try was at that tinyplot...*ponder* after all i had an expie nomination for that'

Sandra nods her agreement with Kaige.

Aquilante giggles.

Chaykin says to Sandra, 'heh yeah it was, but how much stuff like that happens anymore without being planned to exhaustion?'

Sandra says to Aquilante, 'You'd be suprised what a little big of rp can do to a clan war'

Sandra says to Chaykin, 'yea, not much =('

Aquilante says, 'we Grendels anyway we don't have reason to start pkill wars..we always in war'

Fuego says to Aquilante, 'not really...'

Aquilante says, 'yes i am'

Fuego says to Aquilante, 'you guys kill for the sake of killing...'

Aquilante says, 'exactly'

Sandra says to Aquilante, '"You stepped on my toe when you ran past, and didn't apologize! Now you die!"'

Chaykin giggles.

Aquilante giggles.

Fuego says to Aquilante, 'whens the last time you called on your clanmates because you were getting attacked by 3 mercenaries or something?'

Aquilante says, 'see i'm not good at RP'

Kaige says to Sandra, 'or "You got blood on my sweater! DIE!"'

Aquilante says, 'uhm when i jumped 3 knights'

Sandra says, 'there's always an excuse, rpwise, to start a war. You just need to think it up ;)'

X'z says, 'the mercs dont wolfpack!'

Aquilante giggles.

Sandra says to Kaige, 'hehe'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'you say that, but I think it's a cover'

Sandra says to Fuego, 'there's 3 mercenaries that play? ;)'

X'z says to Aquilante, 'im sure you jumped "one" knight and the rest helped him out!'

X'z says to Sandra, 'heh '

X'z says, 'theres only two'

Aquilante says, 'really problem is i even fear to jump anyone because i fear to lost targets'

X'z snickers softly.

Sandra says to Aquilante, 'it's a good bet that if t hey're aa, they're aa for the same reason you are - for the surprise attacks.'

Aquilante says, 'true'

Aquilante says, 'thats' why i attack aa..but they aren't many'

X'z nods solemnly.

X'z says to Aquilante, 'true'

X'z says, 'Ladyace mentioned that'

Aquilante says, 'and i attack Knights because they are Knights!'

Wyvern growls at Aquilante. Better leave before the fighting starts!

Aquilante giggles.

Sandra says, 'You could try attacking other pk clan people too. Alot of pk clans are accepting all others. We did that a while ago, from that way old warboard post'

X'z says, 'Ladyace mentioned that, the reason the timer is 50 is because of multis...but if you're being multi'd 50 tick sis too long anyway...can it be less on-off ish?'

Sandra says, 'want to know my biggest problem with multi?'

Aquilante says, 'all right i heard that Witches need they backs massaged'

X'z says, 'ok'

Sandra says, 'why are people stupid enough to go back after the 2nd death when they KNOW they're being multi'd?'

Aquilante says, 'mispelled all over'

X'z says, 'To try and get their corpse maybe'

Kyna says, 'cos they fear they'll be looted out of all eq?'

Fuego says to Sandra, 'ignorance'

Sandra says, 'Get your corpse later.'

Fuego says, 'they hope it will be over'

Kyna says, 'and cos they don't know where to go to wear off the timer'

Kaige says, 'treeat it as a walking dt'

Sandra says, 'it'll be there, and if they looted, then they can't reject you'

X'z says, 'they can hide your eq though.'

Fuego says, 'me personally, i just call all my friends on the guy and get revenge'

Kyna says, 'but if you don't have your eq, you can't get it back.'

Fuego winks suggestively at Sandra.

Aquilante nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego scuffles his feet around in the dirt.

Sandra giggles.

Wyvern says, 'fuego when was the last time you got looted?'

Wyvern says, 'or a serious gang bang war occured? :)'

Sandra says to Kyna, 'sure you have to wait a few to get some new stuff, or maybe get some help, but at least you haven't died 10 times'

Fuego says, 'this char? never'

X'z says to Sandra, 'still, you can pass stuff around'

Fuego says, 'shmeck was multi'd by riven'

Fuego says, 'zaba was looted by dusk once'

Wyvern grumbles.

Aquilante says, 'uhm Riven got his though'

X'z says to Sandra, 'some guy you've never heard of can end up with your shiny sword'

Kyna says, 'the things is it's these fears, valid or not, that stop people trying pk'

Wyvern says, 'yeah'

Wyvern says, 'ended up not being able to play his char.'

Fuego says, 'phobus permad some guy WAAAAAAAAAAY back in the dred pyrat war'

X'z says, 'Riven was a dirtbag anyway :P'

Sandra says to X'z, 'If he's pk, then he is accepting you because he's got your looted weapon. If I remember right.'

Wyvern says to Fuego, 'i remember that!'

X'z says to Sandra, 'forever?'

Kyna says, 'I found it wasn't like that in oldstyle ... but it took me a looooooong time before I tried because of those fears.'

X'z says, 'er'

Fuego says to Wyvern, 'i think it was straussy's lil bro :P'

X'z says, 'my bad'

Wyvern laughs with amusement.

Kyna says, 'People not trying out pk is nothing to do with xp loss, it's the perceptions they hold about pk'

Wyvern says, 'straussy's such a good person..his brother is like a total opposite of him :P'

Fuego snickers softly.

Immorts grouping with Morts?

Zappa says, 'why can't immorts group morts?'

X'z says, 'why do they need to? :P'

Zappa says, 'it's always been a peeve of mine'

LadyAce says, 'cuz then it'd be cheating when they killed stuff'

Zappa says, 'but that's not the groups fault.. with great power come great responsability'

LadyAce pets Zappa lovingly.

Zappa says, 'and a lack of spelling'

Kaige says, 'and we'd suck up ALL the xp if you killed anything with us in the room'

Zappa pets LadyAce lovingly.

Ea! says, 'The code is based on least-needed priviledges.'

Ea! says, 'So we don't let imms do things unless there's a need.'

Zappa says, 'can they at least group with other imms?'

Ea! says to Zappa, 'I dunno...'

Ea! giggles.

Zappa says, 'you'd think that after 6 years I'd have something more to gripe about'

Kaige joins Ea!'s group.

Ea! says, 'Yeah, looks like imms can group each other.'

SkullKrusher nods his agreement with Zappa.

Zappa says, 'see now you know.. and knowing is half the battle'

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Gang Wars Tourney

Aquilante says, 'oh i forgot to ask one thing about gangwars..there are prizes for it?'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'of course'

Aquilante says to LadyAce, 'only at the end of seessions?'

Aquilante says, 'or weekly?'

LadyAce says to Aquilante, 'one set of prizes per week'

LadyAce says, 'I coulda missed prizes for last time...anyone else not get theirs?'

X'z says to LadyAce, 'everyone who participated had to get one?'

X'z says to LadyAce, 'or the winners only?'

Aquilante smiles at LadyAce.

LadyAce says to X'z, 'both'

X'z says, 'oh'

Fuego says, 'winners of what?'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'tourney'

Fuego says, 'the gangwar tourny? its over?'

Fuego is confused

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'no, i just dunno if i sent prizes for last week or not'

X'z says to LadyAce, 'I dont believe you did'

Aquilante says, 'anyway i think that the gangwar thing is a nice idea to help peple into pkill it shows how fun can be..i hope that might work'

Wyvern says, 'i just wish it was on this port.. :P'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'i think the gangwar tourny is a great idea, but there should be some sort of change'

Aquilante giggles.

Aquilante says, 'maybe will come'

LadyAce says, 'people would complain about the xp loss'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'its too hectic to give people the idea of wanting to PK'

Kyna says, 'im(not so)ho if you want to get people into pkill, you need to change their perceptions about looting, multi, etc, teach them the safe places to go to wear off timers, etc.'

LadyAce says, 'and want to go back for their eq'

Wyvern says, 'thats why i want it to be on this port...'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'some of that hecticness is what makes pk fun if you ask me'

Fuego says, 'they're just spamming bash or headbutt or backstab and hoping they dont die right away'

Wyvern says, 'gives a stronger urgency to win or stay alive..but then again..it won't attract as much ppl.'

Fuego says to LadyAce, 'hectic is ok, but not when you dont know whats going on'

Aquilante says, 'well for newbie pkillers is the best way'

Wyvern says, 'best way to learn is read logs up the poo! :P'

Aquilante says, 'what would be the fun on just being killed from me or you without chances?'

Aquilante says, 'i'm not talking about learning to pkill'

Aquilante says, 'but trying pkill with a chance'

Fuego says to Aquilante, 'i dont get what your trying to say...'

Aquilante says to Fuego, 'that in gangwars even a newbie get a chance to have a kill'

Looting & PKOK

X'z says to Ea!, 'say I looted your sword and gave it to my friend can I reject you and be safe from you?'

Kyna says to X'z, 'you can't give away looted eq, I think'

Wyvern nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to X'z, 'the person with the stolen sword would be attackable by the sword owner'

X'z says, 'yeah but they wouldnt know who it was'

Ea! says, 'They'd need to steal it from you.'

Wyvern says, 'also gotta formulate a strategy...then keep honing down to perfection...like in any sport..'

Fuego says, 'thats a great idea'

Wyvern says, 'can't just spam spam spam'

Sasha says to Zappa, 'not talents my dear, not talent'

Fuego says, 'there should be some sort of sign on the who list as to who has your eq'

Wyvern says, 'gotta make certain rules and conditions..If charA does this, do this, if charB does this, counter with this.'

Wyvern says to Fuego, 'cackle that'd be fun :P'

Fuego says, 'think thats possible?'

Aquilante says to Fuego, 'and that might induce him to try it for real'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'We'd like it to be part of the detective skill under 'trees. Dunno what to do until then.'

Fuego nods his agreement with Aquilante.

X'z chuckles politely at Ea!'s feeble witticism.

Zappa nods his agreement with Sasha.

Fuego says, 'heh, trees'

Fuego says, 'until then tho...'

Fuego says, 'maybe quotation marks around the persons name?'

Sasha says, 'god, won't this q&a ever end? I gotta sleep'

Fuego says, 'you'll know who has your stolen gear and how to get it back'

Aquilante says, 'well if looting is a fear maybe something should be done'

Fuego nods solemnly.

Sandra says to Sasha, 'wanna come up and talk now?'

Zappa says, 'can I come with?'

Fuego says, 'quotation marks would mean you dont have to worry about never getting your revenge, and your eq back'

Fuego says, 'which was the idea behind not allowing the person to reject if they owned stolen gear'

Aquilante says, 'but could a pkiller with looted gear archive?'

Fuego tugs the imms, what you think?

Fuego says to Aquilante, 'i dont know much about the code, i dont steal things :P'

Aquilante nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'I dunno, I'm not sure about it.'

Wyvern says, 'make the LP!'

Wyvern says, 'LootPOlice!'

Aquilante says, 'see that might be a problem'

Ea! says, 'Primarily because it's tricky to implement.'

Wyvern says, 'pkers dedicated to pk anti-crime'

Zappa says, 'can immorts have circular riding?'

Chaykin says, 'ya know, the Mercs could offer to get stuff back for a fee too'

Fuego says, 'why? they have the flag that they cant reject the owner anyways'

Wyvern says, 'o yah'

Wyvern says, 'forgot about the merx'

X'z says to Chaykin, 'the mercs dont really have active members.'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'It's not a not-reject thing.'

Fuego says, 'i got a better idea!'

Ea! says, 'It's a "bypass all other checks if they've got my item".'

Ea! says, 'But it might be doable.'

Aquilante says, 'a steal stuff from b and give it to c and c archive'

Fuego says, 'if you own looted equipment your force accept all!'

SkullKrusher says to Zappa, 'sounds kinky'

Fuego says, 'that would make a reason to be a merc again!'

Fuego says to Ea!, 'think we can do that?'

Fuego looks hopeful.

SkullKrusher chuckles politely.

Aquilante giggles at Fuego.

X'z says to Ea!, 'that'd be cool'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'I can't remember if it was a problem with implementation or if we didn't like the idea.'

Fuego says, 'ooh ooh! find out!'

Fuego says, 'it would be a GREAT implementation'

Fuego says, 'would help prevent looting a bit, and make people more active!'

Fuego says, 'and it would keep a person from abusing PKOK!'

Kaige says, 'i thought the problem was fear of looting not actual looting?'

Aquilante says, 'true'

X'z says, 'its revenge...'

X'z says, 'sort of'

Fuego says, 'like if a level 50 person loots a level 40 person of his gear and rejects everyone, the level 40 person is gonna have a LOOOOOONG time before revenge'

X'z says, 'and'

Aquilante says, 'but if there is no way to prevent fear of looting..that's the problem'

SkullKrusher says, 'why not just make it so you can accept looting and not accept looting'

Fuego whaps SkullKrusher across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Aquilante giggles.

Fuego says, 'thats not pk'

SkullKrusher says, 'hell we can call it lootok'

Zappa says, 'who would accept looting'

Fuego says, 'ahahahahah'

Aquilante says, 'interesting'

Fuego says, 'lootok!'

Aquilante giggles.

Chaykin says, 'why not just take steal out altogether? :P'

Fuego says, 'but in all seriousness'

SkullKrusher says, 'makes sense to me now thay we have pkok'

SkullKrusher shrugs philosophically.

Aquilante says, 'steal is cool for rp purposes'

Fuego whaps SkullKrusher across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

SkullKrusher says, 'and im serious'

Fuego says, 'i would like to see a force accept all when you have stolen gear on you'

Zappa nods his agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'and then maybe we could work on a way to find out who has your stolen gear after that'

Ea! says, 'I don't want to duplicated pkok again to make one for looting... that'd be tons of work. I haven't even back ported the code to befriend/repudiate yet.'

Fuego says, 'but it would be a start'

Aquilante giggles at Ea!.

Zappa snickers softly.

Ea! says to Fuego, 'Idea some of these things?'

Ea! doesn't want to forget 'em.

Fuego says, 'btw, i would like to thank you guys for this Q & A, this is the first Q & A i didnt leave thinking "those jerk imms never listen to a word i say"'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'Thanks... I think.'

Chaykin chuckles politely.

Aquilante giggles at Ea!.

Fuego says, 'it wasnt meant to be an insult :)'

Fuego says, 'i just didnt know how else to put it :P'

LadyAce says, 'well, I think we're pretty much done, eh :)?'

LadyAce smiles happily.

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

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