October 12th, 2000

Fight Length & Mob Balance

Craven says, 'Pk and mobkill.'

'We could slow down the pulses,' Ea! says to Craven.

Ea! ducks to the ground.

A drunken fisherman with huge chops rolls his eyes heavenward.

'Maybe if fights were harder/longer, xp could be raised a bit, making xp a bit more fun again,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'We could give everyone the equivalent of a sanc ring in pk I spose.'

'Thats what I miss,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'Pk and mob fights end so quickly.'

'I think that's a reasonable goal to be striving for, but it's hard to do in practice,' Ea! says.

'Ohh,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to LadyAce.

Craven says, 'I know.'

A drunken fisherman with huge chops nods his agreement with Craven.

'So much relies on current hp, damroll, hit, etc,' Craven says.

'I just think everything is so quick here,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'I do think fights tend to not last long enough.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'The only characters that beat my ass very, VERY badly are snipers :(.'

'I'm mostly a pkiller but only because xp got boring,' Craven says.

'Because I kill elands for 20 hours,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Hehe.'

'Anything about the lag problem?' a drunken fisherman with huge chops says.

'Make a deadly non-group zone ^.~,' Tobias Veleda says playfully.

Craven says, 'If those elands were worth a bunch more but longer fights...'

'Like Hell was?' Skar says with a chuckle.

A drunken fisherman with huge chops says, 'Hell yeah.'

'Yanno, I wandered around the other day yesterday looking for things to kill, I couldn't think of much either :(,' LadyAce says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Elands blow, I never kill elands.'

'Its all boring,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'Xp at 50 is somewhat entertaining.'

'Except at 50 you have nothing to strive for,' Craven says.

'When you don't, really, need it,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'I miss HOL for that, could always rely on a challenge for a small number of people,' LadyAce says.

Craven says, 'They weren't worth the challenge.'

'Nope,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Except for gear,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella says, smiling slightly, 'Level 25-45 kill wildebeests then elands, weee so fun.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'They reeked for xp.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer chuckles politely at Temptress Myrella's feeble witticism.

Tobias Veleda says, with a playful tone, 'Make a string-colloseum That's really really hard ^_~.'

Craven says, 'I enjoy level 1-10 sorta.'

'I guess im the only one that never kills elands,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'And 40-50 isn't so bad.'

'Oh yeah with a few ape breaks too,' Temptress Myrella says.

A drunken fisherman with huge chops says, 'Hehehe.'

'Its 10-40 that blow cuz its just tediously killing mobs that won't hurt you for 3 seconds,' Craven says.

'Wildebeests+kudus+apes=lots of xp,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'I think instead of quantity it should be quality :).'

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with a mage of ultimate PoWer.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'For a certain amount of time...'

'Not to the extremes it was before, where killing 2 captains leveled you,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'It goes.'

'Though that was a blast cuz half the time you'd die,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'But more then now...'

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with Craven.

'Ok, guys, enough complaining :) are there any mobs at all out there which are hard but worth it?' LadyAce says.

'Egypt croc, kestrels, illuminators, savanah, klein/casablanca,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven looks up into the sky and ponders.

'Then you're 50,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Temptress Myrella says, 'I dunno about other but I really hate that at the same level as a mob I get less for it that 5 levels earlier.'

'I think klien is "worth it" in a way,' Craven says.

A drunken fisherman with huge chops says, 'Hmm.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Well I never do kill klein, but there is lots of xp there.'

Craven says, 'Casablanca was destroyed with hol being ripped.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Yeah...senor was a nice addition.'

'Hell WAS nice xp for like 35-45, but thats gone now,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Never tried him now.'

LadyAce says to Craven, 'How's that?'

'After sandra tweeked it,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer shudders.

'Yeah, I'd survive on hell snakes and hounds for a few levels,' Skar says.

Craven says, 'Mobs like captain renault and farrari are not worth it now.'

'Just as soon as I hit level 25,' Skar says.

A drunken fisherman with huge chops says, 'Yeah, some good mid-level areas would be nice...'

'Yeah,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Cuz they have hol gear,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Something like the savanah cause everyone kills there.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'For the level range.'

Temptress Myrella says, 'I'm happy with just killing the Lion, now at least he's a challenge.'

'Make danar make hawaii that ^_~,' Tobias Veleda says playfully.

'I say make an area with somewhat harder mobs for 10-40 but worth more xp,' Craven says.

A drunken fisherman with huge chops says, 'Heh.'

LadyAce says, 'Oh, I see...their xp went down cuz their gear went up but their difficulty stayed the same.'

Craven says, 'Exactly myrella.'

Craven says, 'The lion is worth a lot.'

Temptress Myrella nods solemnly.

'?' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to LadyAce.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Backwards.'

Craven says, 'Actually ladyace.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Or.'

Temptress Myrella says, 'An if he bashes I get killed/very hurt.'

'Casablanca mobs with hol gear a lot harder,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Well its too hard for the xp its worth and captain renaults item stinks anyway :P.'

Craven says, 'But aren't worth what they cost you.'

Craven nods his agreement with Temptress Myrella.

LadyAce says to Craven, 'Crusades was supposed to be the harder 10-40 but worth it sort of area.'

A drunken fisherman with huge chops stands up.

Craven says, 'It's that danger...'

'You can't get in crusades unless you don't quests,' Craven says.

'So I don't even consider crusades for xp,' Craven says.

'Man...I dont even kill imam and salah anymore, no hol,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Well, there's several ways of getting in :P quests is one,' LadyAce says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Too lazy to find another keper.'

'Keeper,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'Well.'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

'I just don't wanna carry around papers to get in an area,' Craven says.

'Easier to just go elsewhere,' Craven says.

'All the more xp for those of us who are more openminded in where they go, I guess,' Ea! says to Craven.

Craven nods his agreement with Ea!.

Skar chuckles politely.

Craven says to Ea!, 'There ya go :).'

'Actually in my path to 50, I skipped horses,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Yeah, a lack of places to sell does cause some troubles there,' LadyAce says to a mage of ultimate PoWer.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'They're nasty :P.'

'Like 2k for -2 hp hehe,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'I think the merchant near the abby should be come the new hol merchant.'

Skar looks at the welcome board.

'How about Malta and Alaska?' LadyAce says. 'Any thoughts on the mob availability there?'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Yeah..no one uses him cept for beryl stones.'

Craven says, 'See, horses are the perfect example of a good xp mob for low levels.'

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with Craven.

'Malta is mean,' Tobias Veleda says playfully.

Skar says to Ea!, 'You're not posting any code changes?'

'Naw, never seen a shop in alaska,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'If you get unlucky, you get your ass handed to you,' Craven says.

Tobias Veleda says playfully, 'I died to two 'like stepping on a bug' mobs there today.'

'Ew...' LadyAce says.

'Seen a few in malta tho,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'The bashbashbash headbuttheadbuttheadbutt,' Tobias Veleda says playfully.

Craven says, 'I didn't like the layout of alaska so I don't go there :P.'

'Too many empty rooms,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'Be sure you give feedback on the areas, I know that Cheyla and Kae are committed to fixing problems.'

'Alaska is a huge empty place in rl craven :P,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'As for malta...'

Craven says, 'Some of her mobs are just incredibly hard.'

Craven says, 'But it was at least an interesting area.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Alophs a shmuck!'

'Dragut sucks,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'I walked in there and he auto bashed me.'

'Customs offical reeks, and the dang prison in st elmo blows!' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Then his buddy staggered me to dead,' Craven says.

Tobias Veleda chuckles politely.

'Was dumb,' Craven says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief, 'Dragut wasn't bad, the first time.'

'Considering the guy doesn't have crap,' Craven says.

'I do like how the customs dude gives ya a whois thats wicked spiffy,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Well he should be reasonably hard now :P,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Craven.

The Incorrigible Elisa looks at the welcome board.

LadyAce says, 'Well, if you use idea to give them your feedback, I'm sure they'd like to see it :).'

Craven shrugs helplessly.

'The mud is so huge its impossible to tell you all the mobs that blow :P,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'Or all the ones that are good.'

'I know, I know :),' LadyAce says.

'Hehe,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Hm,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'But we can try to fix up certain bad ones or whatnot.'

Craven says, 'A mob I like for xp is sneezy.'

'Whats the difference between weak and strong nuclear?' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'He isn't incredibly hard and worth fairly good xp.'

LadyAce says, 'How about aztec, there's midlevel mobs in there.'

A humble avatar sticks his tongue out at a mage of ultimate PoWer. =P

'Never xp there hehe,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'Aztec is so out of the way its not worth it.'

'And assisting mobs make it hard to level a small one there,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, mischievously.

Craven says, 'With newbie mv etc....might as well go somewhere closer.'

'EVERYTIME I get lost going in there and never able to get out,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Why don't you start by listing the areas that you're willing to go to, and we can work on those areas? ,' Ea! says to Craven.

Ea! ducks to the ground.

'Actually, with the world being round these days, it's not as bad as it once was,' LadyAce says to Craven.

'Hah,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'I think aztec now takes the trophy for most out of the way area from lima :P.'

'Yes anoother way into/out of aztec would be nice,' Temptress Myrella says.

Ignorance stands up.

'No,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Anasazi.'

Craven says, 'Fine, anasazi.'

'Thats what I mean,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Thats farther :P.' Tobias Veleda flops about helplessly.

'Heh,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Another BIG issue is mobs in aztec are animals,' Craven says.

'It isn't so out of the way with more areas being built there,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, mischievously. 'But the trans is not so convenient, and anasazi needs an inn.'

'Therefore they have no gold,' Craven says.

'And as a newbie you need gold,' Craven says. 'Well,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'That's rather racist,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, to Craven.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'I never kill mobs for gold low level anyway.'

'I don't kill apes at level 20 anymore cuz I need gold to buy gear,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'Romania is pretty good xp/gold.' Craven says, 'Plus they have the cup.'

'That's a nice place for awhile,' Craven says.

'Speciest?' Skar says to The Incorrigible Elisa.

'I always do 2-5 in Romania,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin.

Temptress Myrella says, 'If you need gold as a newbie just visit tara it so easy to make cash there its not funny.'

The Incorrigible Elisa nods her agreement with Temptress Myrella.

'I do 2-5 in sherwood/tudor,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'How do you make gold at level 10 in tara?'

'2-5 croc and kestrels :P,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, mischievously, 'Easy to make cash in klein with all the unlooted corpses people leave around.'

'Not anymore,' Craven says.

'Well more like 2-3 or 4,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Pittsburgh is a good option in industrial, tried it for xp?' LadyAce says.

'Fith-fath, gawains dagger,' Temptress Myrella says. 'Leftovers from others.'

'Two mobs,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to LadyAce.

'I tried college students,' Craven says.

Tobias Veleda says playfully, 'Easy to make cash of of the junges and the schildknappen.'

Craven says, 'I thought they did a lot of damage for their xp.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to LadyAce, '3 if you have a patient soul.'

Syphus disappears into the void.

'Sandra is always like that :P,' Craven says.

Syphus has returned from the void.

'My personal favourite is to hang around tara roman britan area killing legionarys and grooms and mice and stuff you can get heaps of gold from the horseshoe and legionary stuff,' Hawklin says.

LadyAce says to a mage of ultimate PoWer, 'Midlevels.'

Craven says, 'If you want to die fight a stable boy in salem sometime.'

Craven says, 'Hehe.'

Temptress Myrella says, 'Mobs it pittsburg are a bit too nasty for their xp.'

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief, 'I've found pitts to be bad xp for the difficulty of the mobs.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Oh oh.'

'Only one,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Temptress Myrella.

'Good concentration, just too hard?' LadyAce says.

Ea! finishes writing on a small piece of paper from Ea!.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'The other ones are weak.'

Craven says, 'Stableboys are the most insane mid level mob in the game :P.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer looks at the welcome board.

'I had fun killing em with my latest lowbie,' Temptress Myrella says.

Sandra says, 'Maybe your midlevels just suck Craven =P.'

'If we could hire mercenaries, I'd hire salem stableboys,' Craven says.

LadyAce thinks that's enough feedback on areas for now. And stuff.

Balance Skill

Tobias Veleda returns to being In Character.

LadyAce says, 'More than just calm/inspire actually.'

LadyAce says to The Incorrigible Elisa, 'Balance thing?'

'Warcry,' Craven says.

'Balance skill,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief, to you.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, mischievously, 'Me being the only person who uses it.'

'Balance is just tedious for what it does,' Craven says.

'Ah...can't balance while sitting/meditating,' LadyAce says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, 'Now I'll have to rebalance every time I sit down, which is a lot since I fail bashes all the time.'

'If you've fallen down, you've lost your balance,' Skar says, looking amused. 'QED.'

'So since I miss most of my bashes, I'm going to be not balanced most of the time,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief.

Craven says, 'Qued?'

'It's latin for, "as was to be proved"' LadyAce says to Craven.

'QED,' Skar says. 'Some latin acronym for that which has been proven, or something.'

'I see,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Some crap I always had to put at the end of my proofs in geometry :P.'

'Your now going to be known as latin boy,' Craven says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief, 'Maybe now you'll make balance help me NOT to fall when I miss bashes?'

'Put a small square instead,' Ea! says to a mage of ultimate PoWer.

'Hah,' Skar retorts. 'That's all I know.'

'Or 3 dots,' LadyAce says to Ea!.

'The 3 periods making a triangle was my other option,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Ea!.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Signum says, from the heart, '(qed: quod est demonstratum = that which is to be proven).'

Skar congratulates Signum on a job well done.

What good is Prestige

Craven nods his agreement with Ea!.

Temptress Myrella chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'As was the overrent thing :P.'

Signum nods solemnly.

'All of you guys, stop being overrent and losing your stuff!' LadyAce says. ':P.'

Dancing Swords Change

'It does help bring them down to earth a bit more,' LadyAce says to Skar.

LadyAce says to Skar, 'We can't make create mages as good as cause if cause are in the stratosphere.'

Skar says to LadyAce, 'Er, so you reduce cause mage capabilities rather than increase create mage capabilities?'

Hawklin says, 'Are charmies need to be stronger.'

'Er, we added a new feature to a cause mage spell last week that was way out of wack,' Ea! says to Skar. 'That's a large part of it.'

'Then the other was a balance issue,' Ea! says. 'And, yes, sometimes the right thing to do is to weaken someone rather than strengthen everyone else.'

'Trees,' Craven says to Skar.

'Patience :),' Craven says to Skar.

'Only 5 more years,' Craven says to Skar.

'Without making it a classless mud and while still giving people enough things to do to be interesting and complex characters...' Ea! says to Skar.

Ea! says, 'In short, what Craven said.'

'Trees doesn't address spells at all,' Skar says.

'Trees will give the imms a chance to completely rebalance the system,' Craven says.

'Not the published trees,' Skar says.

'Yes they do,' Craven says.

'The published information in the skill trees faq, is, in fact, way out of date,' Ea! says.

'I was told that the coders would re-examine the spell system after the skill trees,' Skar says.

Ea! says, 'In fact, I believe it says things about housing that you can tell are wrong based on the housing stuff that's in.'

LadyAce says to Skar, 'It does let us change the reqs and the axioms.'

Craven says, 'Axioms :P.'

'Long time ago, true,' Skar adds.

Craven says, 'I hate taht word cuz I will never understand it.'

LadyAce says to Skar, 'After the rearranged reqs and axioms, we'll see what needs to be done with spells, hopefully not much.'

'Part of the problem is that we can't take away fighting skills from mages and still have them be viable characters,' Ea! says to Skar. 'With trees, we'll have enough skills to do things like that.'

'I agree that it's a balancing act,' Skar says to Ea!. 'But if you leave fighter-mages alone, balance-wise, while encouraging specialist mages, you might make progress.'

Helpfiles

Craven throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

'We completely changed how helpfiles work :P if that matters to you,' LadyAce says.

Craven says, 'Not much.'

Craven says, 'I don't use help files cuz I can't see helpfiles of skills I want to learn.'

Temptress Myrella says, 'There are help files?'

Temptress Myrella is completely boggled.

'Which is the only time I care about help on them,' Craven says.

'Theres an idea,' Craven says.

LadyAce says to Craven, 'Talk to Kaige about it :).'

Craven says, 'Let people read helpfiles of skills in allskills.'

Craven says, 'Or allwords.'

Temptress Myrella snaps her fingers. ATTITUDE!

Signum asks you, 'How were they changed? I'm interested.'

Signum smiles happily.

LadyAce says to Skar, 'Nah, just saying we can't have parity if one is so far into the stratosphere making creates go there too would hurt the mud even more.'

Craven raises his hand.

LadyAce says to Signum, 'Essentially there's a central index of keywords instead of separate files for each keyword.'

Skar says to LadyAce, 'What you need is a way to limit fighter-mages, so that you can have powerful mages so long as they don't also have expert fighting skills.'

'So instead of 5 files with the same info about color strings, we have 1 file and 5 references in an index,' LadyAce says.

Signum nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says to Skar, 'Is tougher, but we are workin on it.'

LadyAce says, 'The one benefit of the update to helpfiles is that it's way less of a pain to deal with helpfiles and so it's easier to keep them up to date.'

Signum asks LadyAce, 'shouldn't it also be easier to multi-key the helpfiles? That could be a real benefit.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Signum.

'Lots,' LadyAce says to Signum. 'And only one file to edit, so they'll all be the same.'

New Spell Ideas?

'Sorry, which new skill/spells idea was that? :(,' LadyAce says to Craven.

'We haven't gotten many spell ideas, and none of them have jumped out at me enough to want to code them,' Ea! says. 'Also, I haven't done the initial legwork that needs to be done before I would do any, anyway.'

'Ea! was accepting new spells/skill ideas from people ?' Craven says.

Craven nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'Just wondered.'

'I'd rather see trees done then new stuff imp'd :),' Craven says.

'I want lightning bolt changed so we creates can cast at targets in adjacent rooms,' Temptress Myrella says.

'I said that I'd consider some new spell ideas that I thought would help balance things out a bit to replace some of the unimped stuff that's going to vanish at some point,' Ea! says.

Temptress Myrella smiles happily.

'No new skills though, only spells,' Ea! says.

'I'm not suggesting removing fight skills from fighter-mages,' Skar says to Ea!. 'I'm suggesting adding things that make them *want* to ditch fight skills.'

A gruff historian nods his agreement with Temptress Myrella.

Ea! nods solemnly.

'It would be fun!, and not to mention different,' Temptress Myrella says.

'Newsflash skar: specialists don't exist in this game :P,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'Okie, let's try to get this thing centered a bit more.'

'Sure they do,' Skar says. 'You can specialize at any fight stat you like.'

'Thats not specializing though,' Craven says.

Ea! says to Temptress Myrella, 'Not to mention making the throw skill a lot less useful...'

'Why?' Temptress Myrella says to Ea!. 'Cause create mages without dex can actually sorta throw?'

'Because there'd be no point in getting the throw skill if you could just cast a spell?' Ea! says to Temptress Myrella.

'Spells already duplicate too many skills, imho,' Skar says to Temptress Myrella.

'Yes and that means that all 3rd circle creates could do it?' Temptress Myrella says to Ea!. 'So what, just buy a bow and you never have to learn throw if it that bad.'

Clan Changes?

'Just interested in possible changes,' a gruff historian says contentedly.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Yeah pk tournies.'

'Like what?' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Wyvern and z'x would spank craven and barabas into the ground :P.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer cackles gleefully at Craven - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Craven thought clans were fine, you haven't driven anything into the ground cuz I haven't even heard about this :P

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Well there'll be one "eventually'.'

'I don't think we have anything on the list as specific to clans, although more options for housing will certainly affect clans,' LadyAce says to a gruff historian.

A gruff historian says with satisfaction, 'No, just a me and ladyace discussion.'

Craven says, 'Ahh.'

'What is it you want done to clans ?' Craven says.

Craven is curious.

Craven says, 'I agree clans are bland atm, but I'm not smart enough to think of anyway to fix them.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer comforts Craven.

'Should join the sista-hood yo :P,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Maybe start a post on discussion and collect more ideas?' LadyAce says to a gruff historian. 'I don't think we're closed to the idea of improving the clan system, we just don't want to create a system of special priveleges for nice people.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer cackles gleefully at Craven - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

'My sisats would beat down your mod!' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

A gruff historian giggles at LadyAce.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Sistas...'

Skar says, looking interested, 'Siestas?'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'No not breaks at noon in mexico.'

Skar pulls a feather pillow out of thin air and throws it at a mage of ultimate PoWer - Pillow fight!

PK Tourney?

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Ohhh sweet.'

'I have to win one,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer snaps his fingers. ATTITUDE!

Craven says, 'Actually.'

LadyAce says, 'Hers are usually in fall, I try not to step on toes and do mine close to that, hafta let the demand build up :).'

LadyAce says, 'Or rather, fall/spring.'

Craven says, 'I suggest we postpone the tourney.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Demand is up there.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer winks suggestively at LadyAce.

A mage of ultimate PoWer scowls darkly in Craven's direction.

'Its not fair atm, considering the mud is quite obviously leaning towards dex,' Craven says.

'Well, it's Sandra's tourney :) not mine,' LadyAce says to Craven.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with Craven.

'I think it would be a shame to have a tourney in such a bias'd system due to a few bugs,' Craven says.

'Dex is god atm, sadly,' Temptress Myrella says.

'Someone would win that didn't necessarily deserve to,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'Yeah, I hope that the coders get that ironed out.'

'Like you!' Temptress Myrella says with a chuckle to Craven.

Temptress Myrella ducks to the ground.

Craven nods solemnly.

'I suck!' Craven says.

'I rule,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Wimpy & Delays?

'Funny, oddly, because without any code changes, backstab has gone from being waaaay underpowered to waaayyy overpowered,' Ea! says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Blah nothing wrong with wimyp.'

'Wimpy,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'How did I miss 2 kicks on a 20 dex con mage yesterday with mandarb :P,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer grins evilly at Sandra.. wonder what he's thinking...

'I'd never kill the Lion without wimpy,' Temptress Myrella says.

'I'm not worried about mobkill wimpy, just pkill wimpy,' Skar says.

LadyAce says to Skar, 'I don't remember that being the discussion...I thought we said pk wimpy might be a good thing to go ahead and pull.'

Craven says, 'Skar doesn't like us snipers fleeing cuz its harder to wfw us.'

LadyAce says, 'There was some worry that it'd hurt non dex people tho.'

Craven says, 'Anyone without hpw ould be hurt.'

A humble avatar stands up.

'I don't like it because I can't spam skills like you can spam skills, primarily,' Skar says.

Temptress Myrella says to Skar, 'But you con you must have millions of hp who needs wimpy!'

'Especially with fights ending as fast as they do :),' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'Dex people hit their flees regardless.'

Craven says, 'Its a vicious circle!'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'I ahte those.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Your neck hurts so you dont move it, and its gets worse and worse.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer grumbles.

'Dex people might hit their flees, but wimpy lets them flee while lagged from skills,' Skar says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Silly circles.'

'If they had to type flee, I wouldn't be as worried,' Skar says.

'If they had to type flee its worthless,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods solemnly.

'Point is to screw mages outa mana,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'The only people who would flee would be healers,' Craven says.

'But you need to wait for them to flee w/ lag,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'What're we thinking on taking out wimpy in pk?' LadyAce says to Ea!.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Follow and spell.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer blinks at you.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods his agreement with Craven.

'Flee for ticks et,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'I agree wimpy is tough skar, but I win pretty consistantly with my mages regardless.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Etc.'

'I type in a spell, before my skill lag clears, you've fled,' Skar says. 'My spell goes off, you're not there, I'm lagged again.'

'We've thought about it, but, frankly, balance changes, particularly ones that move pk and non-pk further apart, aren't high on the priority list,' Ea! says to LadyAce.

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with Craven.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'You win with everyone, shut up :P.'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'Ok, remove wimpy for everyone :).'

Craven says, 'Mobkill would be a nightmare.'

Craven says, 'Its one of those things that if you change its going to affect millions of other little things.'

Ea! says to LadyAce, 'That hurts newbies a lot, though...'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'And level 50s.'

'Most people cant tank a magistrate :P,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Temptress Myrella says, 'Personally I think wimpy is just fine the way it is.'

Temptress Myrella shrugs philosophically.

Craven says, 'Mobs are built on the fact that you can wimpy.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods his agreement with Temptress Myrella.

Skar says, 'Why should you be allowed to wait out your skill lag in safety?'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce says to Skar, 'Maybe the solution is to have spells that fail not cost lag like that.'

'If you rip wimpy, a lot of mobs will be overpowered,' Craven says.

'How is it saftey?' Craven says.

'One of 2 things happen,' Craven says.

'Either you HIT me before I fled with your special,' Craven says.

Skar says, 'It's almost cheating, dodging skill lag that way, imho.'

'Immobilze your targets,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Skar.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Skar, 'Quit whining about wimpy :P.'

'Or you WILL hit me with your special while I'm lagged east of you,' Craven says.

'Im a mage and wimpy doesnt bother me,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Are they?' Temptress Myrella says. 'Often I find I can walk in on them while they are waiting for theirs to wear off.'

A gruff historian says with satisfaction, 'Bah... I'm not exactly the smartest player here, granted, but I don't even use wimpy... Mine's always at zero... Do or die, I guess...:P.'

'If you let me spam spells, I'd be happy,' Skar says to LadyAce.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Skar, 'Laugh.'

Craven says, 'Then mages would be overpowered.'

'Spells cost mana skills dont,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Skar.

Craven says, 'People spamming stun, I can't wait to see that.'

'Spells are BETTER then skills,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Therefore they have cost,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Skar says to Craven, 'And how is that diff from people spamming headbutt?'

Skar says, 'It's still a stun.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Skar, 'Read my talking.'

Craven says, 'Its different because you are a mage: you get a TON of variety.'

'I understand a lot of spells are worthless,' Craven says.

'I hear you,' Skar says to a mage of ultimate PoWer. 'I don't agree with you.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer pokes Skar in the ribs.

Kunnar sticks his tongue out at Temptress Myrella. =P

'But as a fighter, even with 100 dex/con/strength, your looking at maybe 10-12 skills, fight skills,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella grins evilly at Kunnar.. wonder what she's thinking...

'MAYBE,' Craven says.

'Well a firestorm does a lot more then a kick,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Skar.

LadyAce says, 'I do think spamming in stuff should have some consequences for fighters as it does with mages.'

Craven says, 'Plus you can't heal, go invis, etc.'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'But I'm not sure how we could put it in fairly.'

'Yeah, but if I get spell lag when you're not there, that gives me a huge disadvantage,' Skar says to Craven. 'Couple that with wimpy and it really sucks.'

Sandra says, 'If you kick air, you should fall over =P.'

Sandra bounces around.

LadyAce says, 'All the ways we think of, I talk myself out of.'

'I think as long as wfw is in, its fine the way it is,' Craven says.

'I went from 400 hp to 32 in one wfw,' Craven says.

'Thats just boring,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer chuckles politely.

Craven says, 'If your spamming stun it'll be even worse.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Musta been a str fighte.'

LadyAce says to Sandra, 'Unless all you did was typo the name, that's a little harsh.'

'Fine,' Skar says. 'Remove wfw, stagger, etc.'

Craven says, 'Actually it was kinslayer.'

Sandra says, 'Well, yea that'd suck.'

'No,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Sandra giggles.

'Ok, enough, enough :) Next topic,' LadyAce says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Skar, 'Whats your beef, I dont get what the big deal is.'

Sandra says to LadyAce, 'But if we could work around that, it'd be cool!'

'I'm a mage like you,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says to a mage of ultimate PoWer, 'He has no fight skills other then magic, when he's out of magic he's defenseless.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer pats Skar on the head.

'Don't get personal with people, let 'em have their opinions,' LadyAce says to a mage of ultimate PoWer.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'So get a fight skill.'

Craven says, 'Actually.'

'Sure,' Skar says. 'An 80 con headbutt. Whee.'

'I have an idea to possibly make balance a little better,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella says to Skar, 'So raise your con 20.'

'Genius number,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods his agreement with Temptress Myrella.

Craven says, 'Make the last 20 points of any stat mean MORE then the first 80.'

'So maybe up to 80 dex, every 3 points is 1 hit,' Craven says.

'But after 80, every 2 is,' Craven says.

'Or something like that,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, '!NO.'

Signum winces.

'23 hitroll is bad enough,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'Half mages are evil.'

Ea! says to Craven, 'Doing something like that across the board would be a *major* pain.'

Craven says, 'I dunno.'

'It would make 80+ dex more hitroll,' Craven says.

'I just want to gank all the hit/dam/hp eq,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'I'd be happy.'

Craven says, '80+ str more damroll.'

Sandra says, 'I like that for some things, like perc and mind.'

'Con would have more hp,' Craven says.

'Thus making hp gear a little less powerful,' Craven says.

'Hm,' Skar says. 'I'd get more mana.'

'It would make what the stats are supposed to be for more prominant,' Craven says.

Skar grins evilly.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods his agreement with Craven.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Good idea.'

'Thus making specialists a bit more powerful,' Craven says.

'Bah,' Skar says. 'Just take out eq that simulates the benefit from stats. hit, dam, +hp, +mana, etc.'

'You could still be an 80 perc sniper but you won't get as good of benefits,' Craven says.

'You can be a 50 mind mage but your not going to be as cool,' Craven says.

Craven shrugs helplessly.

'It does seem like strange gear, working on the "effect" side instead of the "cause"' LadyAce says to Skar.

Craven says, 'If its hard to code, its probably not worth it.'

'We'd also be talking about needing to change things in about 800 different places in the code,' Ea! says to Craven. ''taint worth it.'

LadyAce says, 'On the other hand, it can be useful if balanced properly.'

LadyAce shrugs.

'All that stuff dilutes the benefits of maxing a stat,' Skar says to LadyAce. 'I never really liked it.'

'Just as it stands, specializing anything is dumb,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'What else can I answer for y'all tonight?'

Craven says, '95 mind or 100 mind means jack.'

Jesus nods his agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'But 40 dex or 60 dex means a lot.'

Temptress Myrella says, 'Thats cause dex matters for too much.'

'There are very very very few 100/100 anything out there,' Craven says.

Jesus raises his hand.

'60-40 >> 100-95,' LadyAce says to Craven.

The Incorrigible Elisa enters from the east, with a mischievous grin.

The Incorrigible Elisa sits down and rests.

Craven says, 'Even 80 mind.'

Jesus gives The Incorrigible Elisa a great big smooch!

The Incorrigible Elisa licks Jesus.

'Cya'll later,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'With 80 mind you still have 500 mana, all prep spells, damage spells, and your stun might not wfw as much,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'But you can tumble and hit more oftn.'

'The trade off is worth it,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'Sammael has 80 mind 60 con because the extra hp and the less frequent staggers were worth 100 mind and a few damage points on mind based spells.'

Craven says, 'What about just 100 Ea!?'

'If you have 100 you get a bonus of some kind,' Craven says.

'I don't like too much emphasis on 100 though,' LadyAce says.

Craven says, 'Every since weapons don't rely on 100 of a stat to get max stats, noone has it.'

'Used to be a big difference, 99 to 100, and that was silly,' LadyAce says.

'Unless you had a serpent dagger :),' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella says, 'About the only characters I bother to get 100's in are my non-pkill ones.'

'That worked from 98!' Craven says.

'I like legend for being classless,' Craven says.

The Incorrigible Elisa enters from the east, with a mischievous grin.

The Incorrigible Elisa sits down and rests on a chair.

'But in its effort to do so it has forgotton the people who want to be somewhat specific in their role here,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella says, 'Now only if we had classless mages.'

Temptress Myrella throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

'Look at this character,' Craven says.

'That could be pretty darn cool,' LadyAce says to Temptress Myrella.

'One of the more powerful pkiller characters,' Craven says.

'Most of the mages I know are totally without class,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, mischievously.

Temptress Myrella nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Signum looks up into the sky and ponders.

'Because I do everything a sniper does PLUS eat roots,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella growls at The Incorrigible Elisa. Better leave before the fighting starts!

The Incorrigible Elisa tickles Temptress Myrella.

Temptress Myrella grins evilly at The Incorrigible Elisa.. wonder what she's thinking...

'Snipers die to me easily because they have nothing against me,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'Just seems wrong.'

'Hmm and you have the stats to do that all?' Temptress Myrella says to Craven.

'Same goes for me :p,' Jesus says in a courtly fashion.

Temptress Myrella looks up into the sky and ponders.

Jesus says fluently, 'And it is wrong.'

'I have 96 dex/perc and 2nd circle create,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella says, 'Hmm ouch.'

Craven says, 'Must be that klien bonus.'

Craven snickers softly.

'No wonder I win!' Craven says.

Craven says, 'That extra 2 damage on headbutt damage.'

Craven cheers for himself since no one else has.

An aged assassin has arrived from the east.

'Another thing you should look at, lima and klien bonus's :P,' Craven says.

LadyAce says, 'At any rate, I think it's clear that we continue to have our work cut out for us :) if you could see our list of projects...'

Craven says, 'Med sucks to be born in, hehe, just like in rl.'

'I think balance skill needs work,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin.

LadyAce says to The Incorrigible Elisa, 'Doesn't do enough?'

An aged assassin says, 'I just poked my head in hoping there is something new about skill trees.'

The Incorrigible Elisa nods her agreement with LadyAce.

'Trees are on hold indefinatly until someone has time to work on them,' Craven says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, 'Especially since it got downgraded, it should be worth more.'

'Since we've made it harder to keep the skill going, making it more useful seems reasonable,' LadyAce says to The Incorrigible Elisa. 'Put something in on idea about that, or discussion?'

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, 'I think it should keep you from falling on missed bashes.'

'I think rufus got busy in rl again,' Craven says.

Temptress Myrella looks up into the sky and ponders.

New areas?

'I need more items to forget :P,' Craven says.

'Hm, Chimera's mini area, my Klein update...' LadyAce says.

Craven says, 'Mini area?'

Craven says, 'Oh no, klien update?!'

LadyAce says, 'Yeah, klein update :) but I changed how I'm doing it, so you should be happy.'

Craven peers around the room intently.

'Thing I'm worried about is klien is like the last place to have been ruined xp wise,' Craven says.

'You fixed it once, don't fix what isn't broken :P,' Craven says.

'Instead of rewriting Klein, I have been updating it to have the same map, and putting the rewritten stuff into a new city,' LadyAce says.

LadyAce says, 'It needs more mobs, quests, housing.'

Craven nods solemnly.

Craven says, 'Just don't ruin the xp on the current ones!'

LadyAce says, 'That's what it's getting :) plus some of the descs kinda sucked.'

Rewards for Roleplaying

'What about pk clans,' Craven says.

'We should get rewarded for pkilling then :P,' Craven says.

'Its a neverending cycle!' Craven says.

Sandra says, 'Rewarding clans for rping?'

Talon enters from the east, with a mischievous grin.

Signum stands up.

LadyAce says, 'We worked pretty hard to get out of the business of passing judgement on clans.'

'You're rewarded by ego increase,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief, to Craven.

LadyAce says, 'So I don't think we're going to get back into that business.' Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

'RPing should be a reward in of itself,' Ea! says.

'Oooh,' Craven says.

Signum laughs with amusement.

'There'd be no way I'd want to judge something like that,' Sandra says.

'Ea gets philisoophical,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'I like.'

'It is a reward, but I think some people need incentive,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief.

'I disagree,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'You rp because you like to.'

Craven says, 'Not to get prizes.'

Craven says, 'Same with pk.'

Sandra nods her agreement with Craven.

Craven says, 'You don't pk because you don't like to.'

'By far the best way that I've seen imms encourage RP is by logging in some morts and doing it themselves,' Ea! says.

Craven says, 'You shouldn't be "bribed" into pk by promises of tokens or something.'

Craven says, 'You get prizes for rping anyway.'

'You shouldn't have to, tho,' Jesus says, in a voice smooth and courtly, to Ea!.

'It's called the LT :),' Craven says.

Ea! says, 'Same thing for pk, for that matter.'

The Incorrigible Elisa says, mischievously, 'I know, but I'd like ways to increase other people rping, and I realize that not everyone realizes its intrinsic rewards.'

Jesus looks normal.

'Rp would be more interesting with some imms if they logged their characters on more then once a year :P,' Craven says.

Jesus snickers at Craven nastily.

'What it really comes down to is a willingness to accept a leadership role,' LadyAce says.

'I have fun rping with some imms for hours at a time,' Craven says.

'Players should try to draw more people into rp plots and such,' Sandra says. 'That's not something the staff should have to bribe people to do.'

'Then I never see that char for months,' Craven says.

Craven sobs quietly to himself.

LadyAce says, 'I'd say pretty much everyone in this room has taken on that role at one time or another, is part of why you come to this stuff.'

'Imms are the only ones I trust to rp with :P,' Craven says.

Sandra giggles at Craven.

Craven says, 'In reality elisa, everyone rp's.'

Craven says, 'I don't backstab people in rl.'

'I don't lead a clan of ruffians in rl,' Craven says.

'And what we need is more people willing to take on that role, to lead clans, to lead RP, to lead groups,' LadyAce says.

'Its to what degree you do it to,' Craven says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, to Craven, 'I'm not so sure of that...'

LadyAce says, 'Creating leaders in the social-skill-free zone of the internet...not easy :).'

Craven says, 'I've yet to meet a person who is exactly like rl here.'

'I'm not near as brash or in your face in rl,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'I'm actually kinda shy.'

'Its all about taking on another role,' Craven says.

LadyAce says to Craven, 'Hrm, I dunno about that one :P.'

The Incorrigible Elisa says, mischievously, 'Well, I don't wear starfish irl.'

'One you wouldn't have taken otherwise,' Craven says.

'Heh, I'm nowhere near any of my chars in rl,' Jesus says.

The Incorrigible Elisa gasps at Jesus.

'Barabas is the same here as he is in RL,' Ea! says. 'He even looks *exactly* like what I'd expect.'

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, to Jesus, 'You're not really the son of god?'

'You get out of it what you want,' Craven says.

Sandra giggles.

'I never once saw barabas scream in his name at the meet :P,' Craven says.

Ea! says to Craven, 'I dunno, he screamed it when he introduced himself to me...'

Craven laughs with amusement.

'But that Kareoke bar *was* pretty loud,' Ea! says.

Craven nods solemnly.

'See, but I want to encourage more than just acting differently,' The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a hint of mischief. 'I hope that people rp within the scope of the game. It's really impressive when a char seems to fit in an area.'

'Thats why me and him left you guys behind :),' Craven says.

'But not everyone feels that way elisa,' Craven says.

'I've tried SERIOUS rp,' Craven says.

'And in reality I get extremely bored with it,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'I can't sit for hours doing that stuff.'

LadyAce says to Craven, 'Bah, you were good at it.'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Craven says, 'I need action :P.'

'I grew up on arnold movies, give me a break!' Craven says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, to Craven, 'Make a female char and you'll get action.'

Craven says, 'Hehe.'

Craven pets wad lovingly.

Craven says, 'I get enough already baby.'

Craven purrs contentedly.

The Incorrigible Elisa laughs with amusement.

Craven says, 'Anyway :).'

'I find I often need a bit of action too, but integrating action and rp isn't always easy,' LadyAce says to Craven. 'Hard to have a nice rp and go around slaying things.'

Craven says, 'Finding people who are interesting to rp with is the problem.'

'Wanna give me the low down on sink?' Jesus says to Ea!.

Craven says, 'Don't take this offensivly, but I find your rp boring elisa.'

Straussy thinks, 'i cant believe will clark is still playing baseball..'

'Try as I might, I have very thin excuses for slaying entire schools full of children other than madness :P,' LadyAce says.

The Incorrigible Elisa says, with a mischievous grin, 'And finding people who's rp fits with yours somehow too.'

Craven says, 'On the other hand I've rp'd with some of the ones I find intresting.'

'Sure,' Ea! says to Jesus. 'We're considering changing how it works.'

Jesus looks up into the sky and ponders.

'For five years now?' Jesus says to Ea!.

Jesus shrugs philosophically.

Jesus says to Ea!, 'Nevermind.'

Craven says, 'Anyway.'

'Well, I know I put it on the list of balance changes to consider in Feb,' Ea! says to Jesus.

'Its all about what you want to get out of it,' Craven says.

Ea! says, 'So really closer to 8 months.'

Signum waves happily.

With a sincere gesture, Signum leaves east.

'If you spend time, and I mean SERIOUS time, you can become "known" as an rper with a certain background,' Craven says.

'Marcel comes to mind,' Craven says.

Ea! says, ''sides, it's been changed at least 2-3 times in a while.'

'Or you can spend that time pkilling or xping or whatever,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer returns to being In Character.

Craven says, 'Its really whatever you find interesting.'

Craven says, 'I enjoy pk/rp, but the majority of people I see rp are morons :P.'

Jesus says to Ea!, 'Miss the part where I said nevermind?'

Talon would be in that moron catagory

'No, just ignored it,' Ea! says to Jesus.

Magic Sink

The Incorrigible Elisa pets Talon lovingly.

Talon smiles at The Incorrigible Elisa.

'I think all spells should always go through, but if your sink goes off, you eat all the mana from it too,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'Mage fights could go on forever, hehe.'

'Actually rufus and I came up with some cool ideas,' Jesus says.

'Rufus is insane,' Craven says.

'He always has ideas,' Craven says.

'Weird ones that rock that I would never think of,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'But after he says them I think they are by far the best.'

Jesus says, 'Nah, it'd work well enough.'

'Sink is weird,' Craven says.

'It doesn't have to be, tho,' Jesus says.

Craven says, 'A 51 mind mage who's sink sucks so bad it lasts 2 ticks ate half my 95 mind spells.'

'Thought that kinda blew,' Craven says.

Jesus says to Craven, 'Yeah, and my 100 mind sink won't eat a 50 mind spell.'

Craven says, 'I think sink wouldn't be so powerful if maybe 3rd circle spells were considered "learned" 10 levels before they really were.'

Craven says, 'So popular spells like immolate or firestorm would be less sunk.'

Jesus says to Craven, 'I can't eat second level spells.'

'Thats another bug I told sandra about but she always forgets,' Craven says to Ea!.

Sandra says, 'What?'

'Firestorm lag is 2 rounds if it gets sunk,' Craven says to Ea!.

'I didn't forget, I bugged it ;),' Sandra says.

Craven cheers for Sandra - huzzah!

'You forget everything, admit it :P,' Craven says.

Sandra says, 'Only when I'm doing too much at once.'

Sandra giggles.

'Natures candy in my hand, no can or pie...' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Natures candy!' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Peaches!'

'Oh yeah, I do have a Q for you,' Jesus says to Ea!.

'Potusa is wicked :P,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'I'm proud of you,' Craven says to Sandra.

A mage of ultimate PoWer lurks around Sandra ominously - glad he's not after you!

'Zenith was a punk,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Sandra.

'Hmm?' Sandra says to Craven.

'Any thoughts on my post about missed spells?' Jesus says to Ea!.

An aged assassin has arrived from the east.

'You and skar should rent a hotel,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Jesus.

'I didn't read it carefully yet,' Ea! says. 'Just saw it before the Q & A, so, no, not yet.'

Jesus nods his agreement with Ea!.

Craven says, 'Nooooo.'

'Lump sat alone in a buggy marsh,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Why would you do something like that,' Craven says.

'Do me a fav and read it when you get a chance,' Jesus says to Ea!.

Sandra says, 'I'm mean or something like that.'

'Hey ..the new AIM is cool,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says. 'It doesnt suck. Like my AIM before.'

Craven says, 'I meant a real reason.'

Craven thanks Ea! heartily.

'Lump limped alone at subsonic speeds,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'I think,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

LadyAce says, 'Okie, anything else I can answer for y'all?'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Talon, 'Hearts are usually red :P.'

Craven says to Sandra, 'I think you need a string to remember me by.'

'Okay, I *think* that the missed spells are supposed to cost like 4-5 mana (the cost of chant), but no more,' Ea! says to Jesus. 'They *should* however lag you.'

'It wasn't my string,' Talon says, with a mischievous grin.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'His butt!'

'Bought it from someone,' Talon says, with a hint of mischief.

'Yea?' Sandra says to Craven.

Ea! says, 'But I need to double check on that to see what we decided last time we decided it.'

Craven says to Sandra, 'Oh yea.'

Ea! needs to write these sorts of things down.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Chant costs mana?'

'4,' Craven says.

Jesus says to Ea!, 'Missed stun is 35 & one round lag.'

'Heh didnt know that,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'Yea that blows.'

'I hate stun,' Craven says.

'Hey if you miss a spell, suck it up and dont cast into empty air,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'Wish it could be yanked out of the game, but that would be horendous to balance :P.'

Ea! says, 'Stun might be an exception, actually.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'I really dont get the problem.'

Jesus says, 'That means I miss, lose mana, get lagged, and get backstabbed for 1/3 of my life.'

Craven says, 'Don't miss.'

'Skar is a damn create mage, and he can make walls, make people uhh not able to move,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Whatever, I really still dont get it.'

Craven says, 'Its merely timing.'

Craven says, 'I rarely shoot spells off into air.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Jesus, 'You -wait- for them to get the lag.'

Craven says, 'Yea.'

'You dont try to get the spell first,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'You need to accept the fact they will probably get first attack.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Thats where you lose the mana.'

'Can't, with max wimpy, they lag in other room,' Jesus says.

'Way it works,' Craven says.

'Like barabas, he spams follow or something then stuns :P,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, 'But you don't.'

'I follow a lot too,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'For example.'

Craven says, 'If you walk in and backstab.'

An aged assassin leaves east.

Craven says, 'I will probably try to stun before you flee.'

Craven says, 'But I use STUN.'

'Not stun person,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods his agreement with Craven.

Ea! says, 'Actually, I think it might not be supposed to lag you, either... except for stun, of course.'

Craven says, 'Assuming you flee before I stun, I then walk east and follow you, then stun.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods solemnly.

'Or immolate or whatever,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Follow is useful against snipers, ocassionally.'

Jesus says, 'Stun is the only damn thing this char can do, people.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'When they flee a lot :P.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Jesus, 'Backstab kick.'

'No its not,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Liar.'

'Augment,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'If I were you I'd kick everyone,' Craven says.

'Even dex people,' Craven says.

'Kick kick kick kick,' Craven says.

Jesus says, 'I miss hundreds of kicks at 103 dex.'

'Kick is nice,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Yup,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'So get 100 and add 3 ponts to something.'

'You miss tons more spells cuz of wimpy apperently,' Craven says.

Craven says, 'Besides.'

'Why do you need 103 dex?' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

Craven says, '35 mana is either a one round stun for a decimate instead of an obliterate, or 60 hp.'

'I would choose the hp,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer nods his agreement with Craven.

'Augment is insane,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Jesus, 'You dont augment very effeciently :P.'

'If you'd just learn how to use it, you'd be invincible,' Craven says.

Jesus says, 'Well, the idea is to have both.'

'No, its not :P,' Craven says.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Armor str and bless sink.'

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'You get those.'

'And kick/augment,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'When I can't survive two rounds, I can't augment,' Jesus says to a mage of ultimate PoWer.

A mage of ultimate PoWer says, 'Backstab too.'

'I guarentee you'd win 95% of the time if you kicked with max wimpy and augmented,' Craven says.

'Two rounds?' a mage of ultimate PoWer says to Jesus.

'Report,' a mage of ultimate PoWer says.

'Yeah, pretty much,' Jesus says.

Jesus reports: 368/368 hp 491/491 mana 393/393 mv.

LadyAce thinks Q & A is long over :).

A mage of ultimate PoWer says to Jesus, 'Dont wait until you're dying to make augments either.'

'Take care, all,' LadyAce says.

LadyAce gives everyone in the room a big hug, all at once.

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