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UGA people make up a big part of the mud, a bigger part than most people think. At any time, the number of UGA players range from 1 (before I arrived) to about 10 (when we all got bored). If you know a Georgia person, you can certainly verify that in most part they are 1) nice 2) generally polite 3)helpful 4)involved and 5) concerned about the mud and its future (contrary to some mortals opinions). We have characters that are healers and hepers while some are murderers and cultists. Basically, we are well-rounded and fun. (No player fits all of these descriptions but almost every UGA player fits several of them.)
As for the immort/UGA conflict, I think the biggest obstacle to mutual agreement is the relationship between the UGA people and the immortals. These relationships range from getting along with most of the immortals to liking only one. These feelings have developed over the last two years in which most of us have had many interactions with the immorts. Much of the animosity from our perspective eminates from events that have occurred repeatedly.
Most all players have at least one "Dang, I hate
Now, I understand that it's possible for us to simply lie
and say "no, I'm sitting next to
In an append to some other note, a statement was made about
holding an unfair bias against UGA players when they tried to
immort. I believe that this is generally true, with good and
bad reasons behind it.
The good reasons are that we live in a close-knit community and
as friends it would make it hard for a person to stay impartial.
However, most of the immortals live in sort of a group, a sort
of clique, if you want to call it (the Texas gang). The general
feeling that myself and some of the other UGA players have
gotten when talking to imorts is that we shouldn't even bother
to apply because we won't get in. You can call it paranoia if
you like but remember that we have had at least one person try
to immort every round for the last two years. Every time we
get back a leter explaining what was wrong with our application
and after two years of attempting to immort, I am fairly
confident that this next round will definitely have a strong
UGA force in the immortal staff (GO DANNY!).
In another note, there was also a mention to Particleman. I,
as do most of the UGA people, believe that he is doing an
amazing job. Many a Saturday morning I have seen a newbie
cry for help, and as all the other immorts are asleep,
P-man comes to their aid. My point is that, yes, Particleman
did something wrong and it ended up that he has made a
great immortal.
-waiver-
This post was not meant to offend anyone. If it did then
respond straight to me. The opinions expressed here do not
represent all UGA players and should not be held against them
if you disagree with something here.
Thank you-
Dial "ooooh, spooky....I'm talking from the grave"
Unfortunately there is no easy fix for this problem short of all
players who play in labs send in all the characters they play, or
to never group or be around another player from the same lab. I hope
that this clears all this up a little.
ParticleMan
I explained that I rented out JC, but just to check, I then
rented Mistral and brought JC back on. When I logged JC on,
I got the "Jen-Creature has entered the game" message instead
of "Reconnecting, already playing." I explained this to Petal,
and we concluded it was just some freak circumstance. Petal
was VERY gracious to me and never accusatory. She explained that
she gets a message when two chars are on from the same site, and
she then checks out the situation. She knew that I played both
chars (and I knew that she knew =P), so she wanted to find out
what was going on. I commend her for doing her job, and I
commend her yet again for at least helping me find out what
happened instead of flipping out. (Also when I checked the
who list, only Mistral was listed). I think she handled the
situation admirably.
On the negative side, I know that the clark.net players used
to get accused of multiplaying a lot. Some of them did cheat
using other techniques, but I know for a fact that a few of
them exist, as I met them in rl. In this, I can sympathize with
the UGA players.
So I think a verbal warning that you're still under suspicion is not
totally out of line in such circumstances.
Not that this in any way releases the imm involved from the requirement
of being polite.
As for the UGA people, I think I know two, and I don't think
I've ever encountered any of them in a situation of accusation
of multiplaying (which, btw, is darn nearly impossible to
catch, save for those few incidents where they outright
admit it to a player or an imm).
I'm glad to see such a strong standing from a single group of
people. I was, however, unaware of any imm/uga conflict and
would like to dispel, at least from my position, any ideas
that there may be conflict based solely upon where you log
on from. Coming from Washington State University, where we
had 13 players or more at one point and only a single unix
machine at the entire college, I can completely understand
being falsely accused of multiplaying.
If it so comes to pass that you are in a situation where an
immortal is confronting you about such, you can take a few
actions to speed the inquiry and help clear things up.
First off, don't get offended, they're only doing their
job. They should approach you with respect, trying to
get at the bottom of things rather than accusing outright.
They are there to find out exactly what's going on, if
for no other reason than to keep your playing as immort-
intervention free as possible, so the situation won't
come up again. Second, don't be rude. This is often (and quite
often, a true) tell tale sign that there IS something
illegal. You don't like your playing interrupted. That is
understandable, but understand that they have a job to do
as well, and the faster things go, the sooner you get to
play and the sooner they're no longer in your face and
you can go about your business. Third, find out why the
immort is asking these questions. It is in your right to
know why they're asking you, but keep in mind, if it is
by tip of another player, that player's character or
any info about that player will not be given. Usually
a quick query will come up with 'we saw you with a
duplicate IP address' and that will generally lead
the conversation in the proper direction. If the
immortal is rude, you have proper recourse of action,
which is an appeal with the department head or the
imps, and you are well within your right to take these
actions and are encouraged to do so.
People who do really cheat fall into three categories. The first
is those who do not know the rules. They are likely to, once
made aware, to cease. The second are those who admit they are,
and hone up, taking their punishment. The third group are those
who get angry when they get caught, deny it, and get even
angrier when they are proven and punished. Sad to say, the
largest groups are the first and third. If you are not part
of any of these groups, however, you have the right to be
treated honestly.
Another suggestion, if two of you ARE accused, it really looks
bad if one goes afk all of a sudden, or a single person does
all the talking. Just be polite, expect a polite inquiry, and
by god, if you ARE in a situation that you are cheating,
hone up to it, take the punishment (especially if its a
first offense, it's almost always just a warning) rather
than setting up a situation that could mean a more severe
punishment later or a conflict between you and the morts.
er, imms, sorry.
Anyway, just some suggestions,
-Ruf
-Ptah
JC
Why not quit? Or log everyone in, with actualy players behind the address
and talk with the Imms.
I know of other people who have felt that they are being denied Immhood
I dunno, if you feel abused, do something about it but don't be stupid
in other words if you are multi-playing Admit it and apologise
Makes things a lot less ugly
From: ParticleMan
Sunday, July 20, 04:41PM
I figured I'd respond to this post. I'm not an admin immort, and I
don't have all the cool commands they do, but I would like to state
how misunderstandings can happen. The system channel that all immorts
have, shows when people log on and log off. It will also show when
players log on from the same IP address. What I do when I see that is
to take a look and see where both the players are. If they are in
the same room I'll stop and see if they pass equipment back and forth,
or if they go thier seperate ways. As I stated before, I don't have
all the cool commands that admins do, so I'm limited at what I can
watch. Personally I don't keep up on the IP's of all the labs,
as its really not my position to. So if there are 2 players with
the same IP running around together I'd get suspicious. I can't remember
if I've ever accused a UGA player of multi-playing, heck, I don't
know most of the UGA players. If there are no admins immorts on, I
would stop and ask if they were multi-playing. So to summarize what I've
just written, it is easy for us to make mistakes, we are after all
human in R/L. I do know that in the past we have had problems with
some of the UGA players, so maybe we are paying a little more
attention to the UGA players than others, I don't know. I do know
that no one has ever told me to pay special attention to From: Starbiter
Sunday, July 20, 06:41PM
I agree with particleman, I thought it was made clear that
we completely understand that when an immort checks our
adresses or see's us passing equipment to each other then it's
suspicious, but when we tell them that we are sitting next
to each other and they are rude and obnoxious like many times
in the past, then it gets upsetng (sorry thought that was a
point that was made pretty clear in the actual text -shrug-)
From: Jen-Creature
Sunday, July 20, 06:41PM
well, I have pros and cons on this one. On the positive side,
I rented out JC once and brought on Mistral. The next thing I
knew I had a tell from Petal telling me that I should remember
to rent out JC before bringing on another char. Petal said it
very politely, so pardon me for paraphrasing. Petal assumed
I went dropped link on JC ooc and then brought in Mistral.From: Joachim
Sunday, July 20, 06:58PM
the only problem of course, is that cheaters rarely admit to cheating,
so if an immort -does- feel that someone is cheating, it will generally
not totally allay their suspicions to just say "I'm innocent", and
expecting it to pretty much provides an absolute defense to cheaters.From: Rufus
Sunday, July 20, 07:59PM
A bit about the duplicate IP and Jen-Creature's situation...
If you rent out and do not wait for the mud to disconnect
you after hitting '0' sometimes, especially with zmud and
gmud, you remain online at the menu. It will show a
duplicate IP address if you try to log on another character.
Generally this can be discounted by a quick check of the
who list for both characters.From: Ptah
Sunday, July 20, 09:34PM
I have been told by UGA players themselves that some UGA players have
the character passwords to characters other than their own, that the
get them again even if they are changed, and that they cannot control
who logs into their character. :P Add that to the mix.From: Jen-Creature
Sunday, July 20, 10:08PM
-nod- rufus which is why I again want to state that I felt
Petal handled my situation extremely well. She never took
a hostile position. Instead, she tried to get to the bottom
of things as effectively as possible.From: Belrix
Sunday, July 20, 10:08PM
Okie I know this is gonna sound harsh, but if you feel that you are never
get a fair shake and are always getting picked on