December 13th, 2001

How to Get Coupons?

LadyAce says, 'so, who has questions?'

LadyAce says, 'questions, problems, solutions, observations, complaints? :)'

Finnegan says, 'how come coupons are so hard to get?'

LadyAce says, 'there's a helpfile on how to get coupons -- check it out'

DeSade says to Finnegan, 'to ruin mud economy of course :P'

Davenport says to Finnegan, 'they are not, all you gotta do is work for them'

Finnegan says, 'yeah but im not good at writing lt arcticles'

Milo says, 'you don't have to be good at it.'

Kaige says, 'my mort picked up a mundane one the other day from a bug lotto token'

Kaige giggles.

Finnegan says, 'im not good at writing much of anything'

LadyAce says, 'find bugs/typos?'

Milo says, 'money run and buy them?'

Milo says, 'what is the help file for getting coupons?'

LadyAce says, 'help getting coupons'

LadyAce giggles.

Milo tried get_coupons

Does Engraver Eat Strings?

Harlequin says to LadyAce, 'i have have a strung metal item and i take to the the engraver .. will him engraving it poof the string'

LadyAce says, 'yes'

Davenport goes EEK! in distress.

Harlequin nods solemnly.

Harlequin says, 'thanks'

LadyAce says, 'or at least, I'd assume so.'

Davenport says, 'lucky I never tried it'

LadyAce says, 'I'll have to test it to be sure.'

Level to 5 Contest?

Finnegan says, 'how does the level to 5 game work?'

Finnegan says, 'do you just level to 5 or what?'

LadyAce says, 'it's a race'

Krynn says, 'you can start now! i'm here'

LadyAce says, ''help level to 5''

New Connection Yet?

Whisper says to LadyAce, '...are we on the new servers yet....or soon....'

LadyAce says, 'we don't have any plans to change servers right now'

Whisper sighs loudly.

LadyAce says, 'we'd like to someday, but there's no plan to change anytime in the immediate future'

Whisper nods solemnly.

DeSade says, 'lag for EVER! :P'

Dude says, 'i dont think the lag comes from the server'

Kaige shakes her head.

Dude says, 'think thats attributed to the connection'

Kaige says, 'it's the net connection itself. not the machine'

Dude jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Kaige!

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Dude says, 'chicks dig it!'

Kaige says, 'we only have so much bandwidth and tend to fill it at times'

LadyAce says, 'that's what I assumed she meant.'

Whisper says to Kaige, '...what's the distinction between connection to the net and server....'

LadyAce says, 'yea, we don't need hardware, we need better pipes'

LadyAce says to Whisper, 'one is a machine, the other is a phone line'

Whisper nods solemnly.

Demographics Poll?

Dude says, 'i have a request'

Dude says, 'i'd like to submit questions to place in the poll area... demographic questions - you guys can approve them all or whatwver... then i'd like to compile all the data, do some statistics stuff, then write an LT thing'

Dude says, 'can i?'

LadyAce looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'that doesn't sound bad to me. What do you think, Kaige?'

Milo says, 'voluntary response polls are unscientific...'

Kaige says, 'sounds cool to me'

Kaige says, 'ok but do you REALLY want me coming to your house and makingyou answer one?'

Dude says, 'great, i'll write a list of questions and pass them along to you LA by the beginning of next week'

Kaige winks suggestively at Milo.

Milo giggles at Kaige.

Davenport snickers softly.

Krynn says to Kaige, 'i'm only 2 hours away, i wouldn't mind a visit'

Milo says to Kaige, 'just...dont' bring the gerbils'

Krynn shrugs helplessly.

Kaige doesn't have any real gerbils any more. Hasn't for about 4 or 5 years now.

Whisper says to Dude '....id like to know where people are from...like location questions....'

LadyAce smiles at Dude.

Dude says, 'thats a good idea actually, maybe i should post on the news board and ask ppl what types of things they'd like to know'

Dude says, 'and consider the responses?'

Milo says, 'things like average ages, where people live, gender...'

Dude nods his agreement with Milo.

Language Rules Discussion

S'ou'le says, 'ok...when we gonna modernize the language barriers...'

Davenport laughs at S'ou'le.

LadyAce says, 'modernize the language barrier?'

Kaige says to S'ou'le, 'I don't think that insulting people is necessary nor that asking people to respect each other is outdated.'

Dude nods his agreement with Kaige.

S'ou'le says, 'I got warned for saying "gay inspire crap"....gay was used as an adjective desribing a negative feeling, there was no deragatory means behind it'

Dude says, 'that never gets old'

Kaige says, 'if you mean stupid say stupid. sheesh.'

LadyAce says, 'well, there are many uses for that word -- one definition is ok, the other isn't.'

Harlequin says, 'i would like them a little clear .. i lot more than one immort will warn you for a some words and others will not i never no what i can and can't say'

S'ou'le says, 'the way I used it, it is fine....had I wanted to make a sexual slur I would have made it quite clear'

Milo says, 'when you use it to mean stupid, or something negative, then it is an insult to gay people'

Dude says, 'hmmm... sometimes i find myself saying gay in RL as an adjective to describe something - its something i'm really trying to curb'

LadyAce says, 'and you might consider this: how would it feel to have people use a term that means *you* as if it meant *stupid*?'

Kaige says, 'and stupid is derogatory in that you're implying that the imms are stupid because they coded it'

S'ou'le says to Milo, 'not talking about a skill'

Dude says, 'but its sorta hard cause of the % of ppl who use it that way around me'

S'ou'le says, 'I didn't use it toward any person or group of people.....'

S'ou'le says, 'I could care less what people type about me'

Milo says to S'ou'le, 'but it comes across that way, whether you intend it or not'

Davenport nods his agreement with S'ou'le.

S'ou'le says, 'if someone takes offense to typed words then they got issues'

Kaige nods her agreement with Milo.

Kaige says, 'not necessarily. since we're all people with feelings behind these monitor screens.'

S'ou'le says to Milo, 'then get over it, its just words. if I talk directly to you then I can see your point...but "gay inspire crap" is nothing to anyone.'

Kaige says, 'It doesn't hurt to respect people'

Davenport says to S'ou'le, 'not everyone is like you, some people are so deeply into this place that they get easily offended by what is said here'

Milo says, 'I do agree that there should be some greater concensus on what words we should be warned for, and what offenses get what consequences'

Kaige says to S'ou'le, 'it insults me and every member of the staff here'

S'ou'le says, 'I have respect for gay people, as long as they dont hit on me....'

Krynn has a simple solution to people using gay as a derogitory term on his Counterstrike server.

Whisper whispers mysteriously to you, 'time to go...'

LadyAce says, 'it's not a matter of thinking a game is more important than it is. It's a matter of what kind of a game we make it.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

S'ou'le says to Kaige, 'how is that offensive? "gay inspire crap" was directed toward no-one'

Kaige says, 'and want it to continue to be'

LadyAce says, 'do we want a place where people do their thing and don't mess up either people's fun, or where everything disintigrates into nasty words all the time?'

S'ou'le says, 'whatever...pizza's here, I'm outta here.'

Davenport says, 'I vote for nasty words :P'

S'ou'le says, 'can I RP a homophobic then?'

LadyAce says, 'there are other muds where people vote that way too'

Davenport ducks to the ground.

Kaige says, 'go find a mud who'll put up with it and sure.'

LadyAce says, 'you can RP whatever you like, but you'll be warned if you say anything inappropriate.'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Davenport looks up into the sky and ponders.

Milo says, 'and many people will hate you right off the bat if you are a homophobic'

S'ou'le says, 'so I can't use modern uses of a word.....now thats ridiculous'

Ramus says, 'what negative consequences does one face in being warned?'

Kaige says to S'ou'le, 'modern? It's about as third grade as you can get.. and that was about 25 years ago'

Pentara says, 'In RL I moderate a mailing list, and I'll stop people using nasty words, because that is not the environment I want to create on my list...I don't allow jabs at others on the board, either... no one seems to mind my occasional interve'

Milo says, 'it isn't "modern uses" it is the fad among uneducated teenage boys.'

LadyAce says, 'the word has multiple meanings. You can't pretend the other ones don't exist.'

LadyAce giggles at Milo.

Pentara says, 'no one seems to mind my occasional intervention, which is how I see what the imms do here.'

Davenport says, 'I know the feeling, about 40% of my vocab is viewed as derogatory, when its everyday language here'

S'ou'le nods his agreement with Davenport.

LadyAce says, 'well, we have a higher standard than the people you talk with, then.'

LadyAce says, 'we expect people to act at least somewhat mature. Take it as good practice.'

S'ou'le says, 'if people take offense to "gay inspire crap" then they have a problem. the phrase wasn't directed to them nor any other person.'

Davenport says, 'NZ english has become a language of slang'

Pentara says, 'I figure, if it isn't appropriate in a professional environment, it's not appropriate here... this is a public forum, after all...'

Harlequin nods her agreement with Davenport.

Milo nods her agreement with Pentara.

Davenport says, 'I gotta learn a totally new language so I dont offend people'

LadyAce says, 'you'll learn, over time, that there are hundreds of dialects for different contexts'

Milo says, 'just pretend your grandmother plays here'

Pentara says, 'or your boss.'

LadyAce says, 'one set of things you say in front of mom, another set you say at the office, another set you say with your kids....'

S'ou'le says, 'right right...'

S'ou'le nods his agreement with LadyAce.

S'ou'le says, 'I'm asking to allow leniancy on the word 'gay''

S'ou'le says, 'its not just used as 'happy' and 'homosexual' anymore...'

Kaige says, 'you're not going to get it. it's been an issue for a while and we're not going to let up on it.'

Davenport says, 'so many people have been busted big on that word'

LadyAce says, 'we've discussed it at length internally, and we determined that we should be more harsh -- not less.'

Pentara nods her agreement with LadyAce.

S'ou'le rolls his eyes heavenward.

Davenport says to LadyAce, 'more harsh isnt always a good thing'

Kaige says, 'people have to remember that they agree to the rules when they make a character and log in, whether they read them or not.'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

S'ou'le says, 'yea yea...I know. I'm trying to get rules expanded'

S'ou'le looks up into the sky and ponders.

S'ou'le says, 'what was I thinking? *sarcasm*'

S'ou'le whaps himself across the back of the head!

Kaige says, 'and we do revise rules occasionally, but you've picked one that's been raked over the coals several times and we're pretty firm on'

S'ou'le says, 'so get unfirm....its a ridiculous rule'

S'ou'le nods solemnly.

Davenport says, 'I have had so many language warnings and speeches on language I know where you imms are coming from with the rules as they are'

S'ou'le says, 'ok...pizza waiting for me...I'm outta here'

Kaige says, 'I don't see lowering our standards and encouraging disrepect something we WANT to do'

S'ou'le says, 'I didn't disrespect anyone with "gay inspire crap"!!!'

S'ou'le looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'and that's where we will have to disagree'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Free Legend Radio?

Krynn says, 'any objections to me setting up a ShoutCast server called "Free Legend Radio" & streaming music for players, eventually setting up a weekly live show for player interviews & such'

LadyAce says, 'go ahead -- sounds like fun'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Kaige giggles.

Pentara says, 'That soes sound great!'

Pentara says, 'er, does sound great'

Krynn goes back to playing with the config file.

Krynn says, 'i mentioned it to rummy, he's claiming the first show as his'

Krynn says, '"I'm gonna get on it and rule!"'

Krynn shudders.

More Rules Discussion

LadyAce says to Milo, 'go ahead with your question'

Milo says, 'well, I mentioned this in the previous discussion, but I think it got lost'

Milo says, 'I, and I think many others, would like to see more concensus over what consequences we get for breaking rules, etc.'

LadyAce says, 'almost always, the issue is kicked to admin, and they discuss out what to do, to make it even'

Milo says, 'and I think if it were in help rules, or even if instead of "don't do this, this and this" it were, "if you do this, this happens" people would react better'

LadyAce says, 'in general I don't think we have a problem punishing people unequally in one circumstance vs another'

Davenport says, 'yeah but then those admins dont actually tell you whats going on :P'

LadyAce says, 'can you be more specific about the trouble you're seeing?'

Kaige says, 'well discussion 25 should be a pretty good guide for MOST people... it's pretty rare we have to go beyond telling people something is a bad idea.'

Milo says, 'well, people just seem to complain about getting harsher punishments than they thought they deserved, while others get away. And it seems mostlyl to be based on which imm was around'

Kaige says, 'well a lot of times they are just looking at one incident and aren't thinking about their entire track record.'

LadyAce says, 'well, people do get away when we don't catch them'

LadyAce says, 'often we'll get people who have a huge history trying to compare their actions to a first-time offender'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'also if I was a regular trouble maker looking for support from my friends, I doubt I'd be telling them everything I'd done or even just been caught doing.'

LadyAce says, 'there's a level where it's always a judgement call for us'

Milo nods solemnly.

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'is it the same if someone swaps eq one time, or five times, or all their eq across 15 alts?'

Milo says, 'I realize I don't usually know the full story ;)'

Kaige says, 'some things like intentionally crashing the server aren't the same as saying "gay inspire crap"'

Milo says, 'it's just, I'd like less judgement and more structure'

Davenport snickers at Kaige nastily.

Kaige says, 'and abusing other players ranks up closer to the top rather than the bottom too. especially if it's pattern behaviour'

Joel snickers softly.

Harlequin nods her agreement with Milo.

LadyAce says, 'can you be more specific about what you think has too much judgement involved? I'm thinking you mean language -- because the others are pretty cut and dried'

LadyAce says, 'harassment is sorta along that line too, but we get less flak about it'

Davenport says, 'so whats your opinion on a punishment for someone thats swears on public channels a lot, creates offensive illusions and when warned to stop won't?'

LadyAce says, '3 warns = 1 week limit (language)'

Milo says, 'yes, the language for one. We don't really have any list of what words to use and not use, and I agree that 'gay inspire crap' is wrong, but I hear people use gay that way on channels all the time'

LadyAce says, 'we have three approaches to language'

LadyAce says, 'we have autowarn words'

DeSade says, 'the F-Bomb!'

Joel says to LadyAce, 'that must have changed since my alt got into trouble :p'

LadyAce says, 'those are the 'f word' and the 's word' *eyeroll*'

LadyAce says, 'there's "knock that off" stuff'

LadyAce says, 'and there's "that's over the top, ridiculous, wrong, you're in trouble."'

Joel says, 'there's a lot of those'

Milo says, 'bah, that shouldn't even be considered a bad word, but that's another issue'

LadyAce says to Milo, 'well, people can write all the books they want about reclaiming it ... it's not reclaimed :)'

Harlequin says, 'i haven been hearing about immorts slapping people down with out hearing both side of the story a bit now . if that new way of dealing with problems ? gilty and can't be proven orderwise ? (just wondering)'

LadyAce says, 'we haven't changed any policies along that line that I know of.'

LadyAce says, 'there's a standard route of appeal, Zandy then Kaige'

Harlequin nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'if we observe something personally, we warn based on what we've seen.'

Harlequin says, 'thankies'

Davenport says, 'where is zandy at, I never catch him'

LadyAce says, 'we do hear about mitigating circumstances, sometimes, and we can always change our ruling based on that'

LadyAce says, 'we assess warning severity at the time of warning, so sometimes that has to change'

LadyAce says, 'send him mudmail -- he's on a lot, but maybe not when you are'

DeSade says, 'he tends to be wizinvis too'

Milo says, 'my theory is that he is almost always on, just invis'

Milo nods her agreement with DeSade.

LadyAce says, 'oh, I dunno about always on :P'

Davenport says, 'I need to find out about a punishment funnily enough'

Milo says, 'he's like Big Brother'

LadyAce says, 'well, often any imm can answer a question about an admin situation'

LadyAce says, 'we all can check the boards, or ask around and get an answer'

Kaige says, 'but if you can't find the one you're looking for, mudmail!'

LadyAce says, 'and most of us can unlimit'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'and there's also email too'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Davenport says, 'I just wanna know a timeframe on devlins archive-locked status, all I know is a little while longer and that was about a month ago'

Davenport says, 'Im not too worried about it, would just be nice to know when he gets out'

LadyAce says, 'you have to ask for them to be pulled out of lock'

LadyAce says, 'we don't rescue them for you'

Davenport chuckles politely.

LadyAce says, 'looks like it's been archived off'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'I never remember the password into the site where it's all archived'

LadyAce says, 'Devlin is limited until Christmas 2002'

Milo goes EEK! in distress.

Kaige says, '2002?'

Huginn slowly fades into thin air.

LadyAce says, 'that's what it says on the board :P'

Kaige says, 'definitely doesn't look like he got the message looking at his warnings.'

LadyAce says, 'maybe Zandy meant 2001'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'so it looks like you'll hafta check with Zandy for sure, but don't expect any motion before the 25th'

LadyAce says, 'who else has a question?'

Joel looks up into the sky and ponders.

Milo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Milo says, 'I guess q&a is over...'

Kaige says, 'unless you got a question'

Milo shakes her head.

Kaige says, 'guess so..'

Milo says, 'everything's hunkydory'

Kaige smiles at Milo.

Milo gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Milo waves happily.

Kaige waves happily.

LadyAce smiles happily.

LadyAce waves happily.

Kaige waves happily.

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