November 29th, 2001

2C Balm & PK Balance?

Delandel says, 'I would like to say I am a 2nd circle create mage'

Delandel says, 'not a druid though.'

Delandel says, 'I created this character for PK.'

Delandel says, 'When I made it, I took in consideration the fact that I can make doppels and make ROOTS'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Dae says, 'heh, this was my question'

Ea! says, 'If you're asking about the balance issues surrounding 2nd circle create, 3rd circle create, and druids, we've yet to come to any decision as to how we're going to change them.'

LadyAce says, 'we're aware that there are balance issues for non-druid 2nd circles, though'

Delandel says, 'Not balance as of yet.'

Dae says, 'are you refering to roots?'

Delandel says, 'especially to roots.'

LadyAce says, 'when we have a solution -- or if you do (post on discussion if so) -- we will put it into action'

Delandel says, 'When will this be?'

Boreas says to Delandel, 'think of it this way: sure you are one step down from a druid, but you're two steps up from a 0c.'

Delandel says, 'A year?'

LadyAce says, 'we might fix it in any number of ways, we just don't know'

Dae looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'we don't have a solution settled at this point'

Delandel says, 'Well, I want instant healing back'

Dae nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'I would recommend moving a few stats around a touch, and seeing what you can do to have fun while you wait.'

Dae says, 'do you feel 2c non druid is underpowered now etc'

Delandel says, 'You can make it as realistic as you want, BUT it was part of my strat in PK, without them my character is useless'

Dae nudges Delandel.

Delandel nods his agreement with Dae.

LadyAce says to Dae, 'when we say that we know there are balance problems, yes, that's what we mean -- underpowered non-druid 2nd circles'

Dae nods solemnly.

Dae says, 'whee'

Dae says, 'thought you forgot about em =)'

Dae says to Delandel, 'there is hope!'

LadyAce says, 'if you base your char on one spell, you will always run into this problem at one point or another'

LadyAce says, 'it is NEVER a good idea to base your char on one spell.'

Dae says, 'that's a cornerstone spell =P'

LadyAce says, 'or one skill'

Boreas sniffs sadly.

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'there is only 2 PK 2nd circle cerates I know of'

Boreas says, 'I based my char on phase person, and now I'm 'opeless!'

LadyAce says, 'it's a cornerstone if you put it there, don't put it there.'

Dae says, 'pfft'

Dae says, 'that's like asking cause not to look to immolate for support =P'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'I am based on 2 spells and a whole lot of thinking'

Ea! says, 'If you're a cause mage and you're relying on immolate, or any other single spell, for your character, then you may well run into trouble in the future.'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'its not good to go around changing important spells to useless and worthless spells that waste mana'

LadyAce says, 'you should do some more thinking. Even when we fix the current problem, it may not be the sort of fix you were hoping for'

LadyAce says, 'it might fix things for everyone but you'

Dae says, 'which was the like the last one heh =) I don't think it could get any worse'

LadyAce says, 'If you rely on one or two things, be they skills, spells, mobs, items, etc....you ARE going to get burned.'

Ea! says, 'If you're relying on a single spell for your character, that means there's a balance problem with that spell.'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'I don't think you guys are very good with this balance thing then'

Dae says, 'I said corner stone, not a crackhead feening for it'

Ea! says to Delandel, 'Balance is a slow thing.'

LadyAce says, 'we have a different definition of balance perhaps.'

Dae says, 'backstab, roots, bowman, dops =P'

Ea! says, 'It takes time for players to adapt and create new strategies for balance changes.'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'roots are not a big spell'

LadyAce says, 'we see balance in terms of chartypes having a wide range of interesting options to attack and defend.'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'but it means I don't have to have 50 spirit to heal myself'

Boreas ponders LadyAce's existence.

Ea! says, 'The best example I have of this is with shoot a while back: snipers were underpowered, so we thought we'd give them a boost. We put in a change that made it so that if people used a bow or gun without a weapon they'd get a bonus.'

Boreas says to LadyAce, 'if that is how you see balance, that would make pure fighters the most underbalanced'

Ea! says, 'It didn't help.'

Archaon says, 'with bs, will con or str EVER get anything to othe same power?'

Ea! says, 'So we improved the bonus *slightly*.'

Boreas looks interested.

Archaon says, 'cause that AINT balanced..'

Delandel says, 'The ROOTS were never a problem'

Dae says, 'are you talking about stun rate or firing rate?'

Ea! says, 'Then people started using it as a strategy, and it was ridiculous. If you have a bow or gun, you could solo just about anything if you knew how -- I think it was shoot/flee.'

LadyAce says to Boreas, 'I think that they are (in pk at least) -- and that's why our "big thing" is trees -- because they are so short on options.'

Dae says, 'ah'

Delandel says, 'roots rarely give a big advantage'

Ea! says, 'Damage from weapons.'

Boreas nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Ea! says, 'The problem with roots is that they were unbalancing a major part of the game -- hunger. It was no longer disadvantageous to be hungry. In fact, it was an advantage.'

Dae says, 'you could have just made it a vial form +20hp instant heal and balm 3c =P'

Dae says, 'altho there's probably a problem with that'

Delandel says to Ea!, 'SO make it some other type of spell don't ruin it for us'

Ea! says, 'It meant that builders couldn't use hunger in any meaningful way.'

Dae looks up into the sky and ponders.

Delandel says to Ea!, 'Make it the balm but with instant heal'

Boreas says, 'I like balm.'

Ea! says to Dae, 'In which case you'd get yourself 20 or 30 of those vials and be unstoppable.'

Dae says, 'vials, then we would need vials again'

Delandel says to Ea!, 'I just want to be able to heal without sleeping for 10 minutes'

Dae says, 'make it like balm =P'

Dae says, 'just one at a time'

Dae says, 'there's all sorts of ways around it, but you've chopped off a leg of a whole class of people'

Kae says, 'I really don't get it. Both my 3c create mages are quite happy with the speed of balm's effect.'

Boreas says to Delandel, 'why do you think you should be able to do that? You aren't a healer.'

Delandel says to Ea!, 'make some sort of restraint but keep the same effect'

Dae says, 'right, 3c =P'

Delandel says to Ea!, 'don't rob us of a usefull spell'

Delandel says to Ea!, 'I talked to dusk and Kaeos they both use roots in PK'

Ea! says, 'Okay, first off, don't exaggerate -- balm is a useful spell, just not in pk.'

Dae nods solemnly.

Dae says, 'agree'd'

Ea! says, 'The problem is a pk vs. non-pk balance issue.'

Delandel says to Ea!, 'There is not enough 2nd circle creates to care about it'

Ea! says, 'Those are the hardest types that we have.'

Dae nods his agreement with Delandel.

Kaige says, 'I'd say it could be useful in pk, just not an instant repeatable useful like roots were'

Ea! nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'I mean I'd rather have balm than nothing.'

Dae looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kae says, 'I've had good success with applying it before the fight begins, yes'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'Also, you can use it offensively in pk to slow your opponent's healing.'

Dae says, 'your talking 3c again'

Delandel says to Ea!, '2nd circle mages are hard enough to make, cause they need spirit and perc and other things'

Dae says, 'the spell is 2c, but heals better than a cure crit especially in the mana:hp ratio if you have high con, balm should be 3c =/'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'Let me say one more thing'

LadyAce says, 'okie'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'After this change I heard of many 2nd cuircle creates quitting'

Dae says, 'just pk'

Dae says, 'well most are inactive now'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'THis week each day I asked how many 2nd circle creates were on I saw 3 in total and one was PK'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'I was on at peak hours too'

Boreas says, 'different types are popular at different times'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'when I had a PK battle my opponent said he didn't expect a second circle mage'

Delandel says, 'caue they suck, now.'

Dae says, 'just pk =)'

Delandel nods solemnly.

Dae says, 'well mobkill was hurt to some extent'

LadyAce says, 'well...absolutely if a given char type is having balance problems, they tend to not be played as much -- or else the player makes changes to compensate.'

Dae says, 'can't change a 2c create mage'

LadyAce says, 'so all that really tells me is that people think there's a balance issue, and they're choosing a response to that.'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'I don't have time to remake a new character'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'I liked my combination of skills and spells'

LadyAce says, 'you might want to consider changing the one you have, if you don't like how it's working out for you and you don't want to make a new one'

Boreas says, 'always time to make a new char. That's where the fun is!'

Dae says, 'they are mages, mages don't have extra pracs when they're all done and made'

LadyAce says, '2nd circ mages generally do have some room....'

Delandel says, 'Change how? Change my start stats? or maybe completely re-eq?'

LadyAce says, 'even 3rd circ mages have a bit of wiggle'

Archaon says, '2c do though!'

Delandel says, 'I have horrible fighter start stats'

LadyAce says, 'change a few pieces of eq around, try some new tactics...'

LadyAce says, 'reduce your rent, up your str, and cart around vials or scrolls or wands'

Ea! says, 'if we could make it so that none of our changes effect people's characters, we would. but we can't do that. We minimize balance changes as much as we can already. This is one of the reasons.'

LadyAce says, 'try items with resistences or special properties'

Dae nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'you have options that don't involve your start stats'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'I pumped 25 Stats in quests into my spirit'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'According to any character that is really dumb!'

Dae says, 'heh spirit'

Dae says, 'now you have fighting spirit!'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think we're going to find any further resolution on this issue -- I'm going to move on. You know where we stand, and we know where you stand.'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'Will you take this into consideration?'

LadyAce says to Delandel, 'we already have it under consideration, it's been there since fairly soon after the change....'

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'ok'

House Details Before Buying?

Archaon says, 'well about houses, why cant you see anything on the other rooms?'

LadyAce says to Archaon, 'we'd like to have that feature, it's just not written'

Delandel says, 'sorry'

Archaon says, 'so how long till its in?'

Archaon says, 'cause i'm fed up with buying a house with expansion capabilties and then realise i cant rent...'

Archaon growls.

LadyAce says to Archaon, 'well, it's not written, and it's not being worked on...it's a plan but not in action right now'

LadyAce says, 'we have many more feature additions than we have coders to spare'

Ea! says, 'I've looked into adding that...'

Ea! says, 'It turns out to be a bit of a pain.'

Str/Con Fight Skills?

Archaon says, 'and will con and or str EVER get anything to same or similar str as dex with bs?'

Dae says, 'yea they get some cool skills in skilltrees'

Dae says, 'um, scalp I think it is'

Archaon says, 'and what would that do?'

LadyAce says, 'we'd like to have exciting 'initiate combat' skills for all kinds of chars, eventually, yes.'

Ea! says, 'Str and Con both get skills to initate combat.'

Delandel says, 'Skilltrees are a tall tale'

Archaon says, 'mega dam?'

Dae says, 'it's like kick'

Bling chuckles politely at Delandel's feeble witticism.

Dae says, 'but you get some sort of hp transference if it kills them'

Kae says, 'I'm inclined to think str hits preeeeetty hard myself'

Archaon says, 'but kick doesnt do dick...'

Dae says, 'hahahahahha'

Dae says, 'man your missing out on the best direct damage skill in the game then =P'

LadyAce says, 'kick does damange and it won't make you fall over. Not too shabby :P'

Dae says, 'hell yea'

Dae jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with LadyAce!

Archaon nods solemnly.

Archaon says, 'i know that, just it doesnt do anything fancy either...'

Archaon starts moaning.

Bardic Skills & Prestige?

Bling says, 'i have a question on bardic skills'

Bling says, 'since prestige no longer affects rent'

Bling says, 'satire and praise have become practically useless'

Boreas giggles.

Dae says, 'good for spamming info when you want to be silly'

Boreas's question was on the same lines.

Bling says, 'is there a bardic section on the mythic skill trees?'

Ea! nods his agreement with Bling.

Ea! says, 'Yeah. And we also mean to make prestige mean something again at some point.'

Bling says, 'and is sing going to be imp with entrance'

Dae says, 'sing will entrance?'

Dae says, 'oooh'

Bling says, 'in the help file it said so'

Dae reads the helpfile!

Kae says, 'funny thing is, prestige does seem to mean a lot to one of my chars in mobkill right now'

Boreas says, 'with skilltrees, or in the foreseeable future?'

Bling says, 'anytime...'

Dae says, 'prestige is good for pk'

Dae says, 'you can calm incite better!'

Bling says, 'so prestige affects calm, satire, inspire., not spirit'

Kaige says to Dae, 'among other things'

Ea! says, 'Sing doesn't entrance, it's just that if you have sing you don't need an instrument to use the entrance skill.'

Bling nods her agreement with Ea!.

Bling says, 'but it is not imp yet'

Ea! says, 'hm. Yeah. We should probably do that.'

Boreas chuckles politely.

Ride Skill?

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'Will the ride skill ever be made into something more exciting and fun, then just riding horses?'

Dae lances you.

Ea! says, 'you can ride more than horses currently...'

Bling says, 'toby'

Boreas says, 'goats!'

Dae says, 'heffalumps!'

Dae says, 'and with warcry they be rockin''

Delandel nods his agreement with Dae.

Boreas says, 'but what about dragons and dolphins?'

Ea! says, 'But under trees there's a handful of skills for use from horseback.'

LadyAce says, 'if you see anything you can't ride that you think you should, use idea to suggest it to the builder'

Dae says, 'the fearsome dragon?'

Ea! says, 'Jousting, and a few others.'

Dae winks suggestively at LadyAce.

Delandel says, 'JOUSTING, ya!'

Boreas says, 'I think you should be able to kick from horseback'

Dae nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Bling says, 'can you ride cars?'

LadyAce says, 'the dragon wants to kill you, he doesn't want to be ridden'

Dae laughs with amusement.

LadyAce says, 'at least, my dragon does :)'

Dae says, 'he can be tamed!'

LadyAce says, 'he's not a tame dragon :P'

Dae says, 'he just likes his belly itched'

Dae says, 'he calms down after that'

Boreas says to LadyAce, 'but Medea escaped on a dragon! or was it a dragon-pulled chariot?'

LadyAce says to Boreas, 'but Medea wasn't a middle ages chickie out for a crusade'

Boreas grumbles.

Double Opaque Harder to Wake?

Dae says, 'any plans on making a double opaque vial (that's sleep twice mixed) a struggle to wake from, like entrancing?'

Dae says, 'thrown that is'

Ea! says to Dae, 'Nope.'

Dae says to Ea!, 'but it's a good idea!'

LadyAce says, 'it's kind of an interesting idea from a theoretical standpoint...'

Ea! says to Dae, 'Make a bard, then you can lullaby people.'

LadyAce says, 'but we don't want to replicate what we have already in practice'

Dae says, 'well, with the throw formula it's not like i'll be landing a whole bunch'

Ea! says to Dae, 'Yeah, that's on the list to be fixed at some point. '

Dae says, 'jeeeeez I wanted a reason to use mix vials for other than defense =P'

Dae cries on Ea!'s shoulder.

AC and Dex/Per/Str

Delandel says, 'I have noticed that eq with dex or perc stats tends to give more ac then str eq'

Delandel says, 'I have proof to back that up'

Dae says, 'dex gives more ac? or is that a built in thing with the stats?'

Kaige thinks that's covered in help dexterity.

Delandel says to LadyAce, 'For example there is a lvl 45 character that is CON DEX PERC and he had -100 AC and not even all his eq on'

Delandel says, 'I am lvl 46 and have barely under 0 AC and almost all my eq'

Boreas says, 'dex has myriad ways of not getting damage'

Boreas says, 'I think ac on items is based more on the arbitrary mood of the builders than the item's stats...'

LadyAce says, 'well, they try not to be arbitrary :)'

Delandel says, 'was there a reponse given?'

LadyAce says, 'if you see stuff that looks arbitrary, I hope you'll point it out'

Kae got a list of properties and ac to follow, she'd assume that goes for all of us.

Delandel says, 'For example the dirty sticking plaster'

Delandel says, '5 PERC and -9 AC'

Delandel says, '2 of them give more than an on body item'

LadyAce says, 'The general response was that your question is covered in help AC and help dex.'

Delandel nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Boreas says, 'well...I think that items that are all big and armory should have high ac, and little cloth items low ac, but sooo many items have really good magical ac, that armor isn't so much a factor'

Delandel says, 'still I think some items could use more AC and some items less'

Kaige points to the bug/idea channel

Boreas coughs, 'Manannan mac Lir's coat.'

Kaige says to Boreas, 'and that is EXACTLY in spec.. I double checked it.'

Boreas looks at Kaige, boggled.

LadyAce says, 'the issue with the coat is the material it's made of'

Kaige nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Boreas says, 'well, rent aside, shouldn't twice-smelted mail have really good ac?'

Delandel nods his agreement with Boreas.

Kaige says, 'it _has_ the max for the slot it's in'

Boreas says, 'I'm not sure on the numbers, but I thought it was less even than the bloody stained vest, and certainly than crowe's breastplate'

LadyAce says, '...not as far as we know.'

Boreas says, 'thing is...I'm used to rpgs where fighter-type chars can wear heavy armor, while mages and thieves can't. Here there aren't restrictions on that, so that whole aspect is taken away'

Boreas giggles at Delandel.

Kaige says, 'vest is same AC as smelted. but has different stats'

Boreas looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'crowe's is more but it's also higher than the spec as well then.'

Boreas says, 'well, the breastplate makes sense...that should turn a few blows. But why would a leather vest be so good?'

Kaige sees no reason to play the EQ arms race with an item that's already at max.

Kaige says, 'because it was put in way fast as a replacement for some hell or hol item'

Kae says, 'we can take it out and put it back into Hell?'

Boreas nods solemnly.

Kae ducks to the ground.

Kaige says to Kae, 'heh.'

Boreas says, 'my point is that it does seem to us to be very arbitrary...not really based on what you would expect that type of item to protect'

Kaige says, 'well if we had one person doing all the building, sure it'd be less arbitrary.. but that'd kill that person.'

Boreas says, 'I don't even know what I'd expect a tunic of flame to protect'

Bling says, 'water'

Kaige says, 'but be glad we do have guidelines to go by, cause I've seen muds that don't where every new area means only THOSE items are the only ones to use until the next area goes in.'

LadyAce says, 'well...we try to base it on how protective an item could be, but magic does throw things off, as does trying to make up for other weird issues/problems'

Boreas nods her agreement with LadyAce.

Boreas says, 'I dunno. It's just an issue to think on.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Kaige says, 'remember builders are always fighting "logic" with a desire to have their items used too.'

Box in Klein & Update?

Bling says, 'i idea'd this before'

Bling says, 'can you put a donation box in klein'

LadyAce says, 'yeah, sorry. I keep meaning to do that.'

Bling smiles happily.

Bling says, 'germans are spammy'

LadyAce giggles.

Cadmus says to LadyAce, 'when is your klien update scheduled?'

LadyAce says, 'when I stop sucking and start finishing it? :/'

Cadmus snickers softly.

Boreas chortles with amusement.

Kaige keeps finding more for her to fix.

Kaige scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

LadyAce says, 'everybody's being really supportive about it, and encouraging me, I just haven't had the time I need.'

LadyAce says, 'well, you could put it that way too :)'

LadyAce winks suggestively at Kaige.

Boreas says to Kaige, 'better to find things to fix now, than for it to go in and have all us morts bitching and whining about bugs'

Kaige nods her agreement with Boreas.

Cadmus nods solemnly.

Boreas says, 'wait! Did I admit to bitching and whining?'

Boreas peers at herself myopically.

Kaige says, 'tho even as much as we catch before an area goes in there's always stuff to fix later'

Kaige was appaled at the typos stilli n Arabia this summer

More Cooking Variety?

Bling says, 'oh can i ask one thing...more cooking choices than pie, roast or stew'

LadyAce says to Bling, 'oh, use idea to suggest that?'

LadyAce says, 'maybe list out what you'd like to see?'

Bling says, 'maybe use recipes from ooc kitchen'

Boreas says, 'fry!'

LadyAce says, 'well, we'd want to keep it a bit simple so as not to get lots of logic issues'

Bling says, 'deep fried filet of piglet'

Boreas says, 'fried filet of sole'

Kaige says, 'well then you're getting into asking to make the others more detailed and require some tools to accomplish too'

Bling says, 'or make quest food items'

Bling says, 'squirrel nachos'

Bling nods solemnly.

Boreas giggles at Bling.

LadyAce smiles happily.

Kaige says, 'which is why we haven't gone beyond the initial three, it's not lack of want, but time and priorities'

Boreas says, 'anything killable can be made into a quesadilla'

Bling nods her agreement with Kaige.

Bling says, 'dragon quesadilla'

Boreas licks her lips and smiles.

Bling says, 'that is it for real questions....unless you want to hear whiny complaints'

Boreas says, 'baby quesadilla'

Bling drools contentedly.

Better Tailor Options?

Bling says, 'this is not so much a question but'

Bling says, 'forge and make staff are great skills to make good lowbie weapons'

Bling says, 'but tailor is still kind of dull'

Boreas says, 'when I was a wee newlyn with my first char, I learned tan and tailor and never needed re-eq'

Bling says, 'but the tailor stuff is nowhere near the quality of a level 50 druid's make staff'

Bling says, 'or even cheap forge swords'

LadyAce says, 'well, some skills are not going to be super for your lev 50th'

Bling says, 'i dont' want super gear'

Bling says, 'jut specialized gear like a make staff'

Bling says, 'like deerskin socks you can't find on mobs'

Bling says, 'etc'

Bling says, 'fur headband'

Bling shrugs helplessly.

Bling says, 'just different that you can't find on the mobs'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Boreas says, 'baby bottom gloves?'

LadyAce says, 'toss your thoughts on to the idea channel'

Bling nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'we might not put it in right away, but when we do go through the skill to update it, we'll see your idea in there'

Bling nods solemnly.

Bling says, 'dragon hide boxer shorts'

LadyAce giggles.

Bling says, 'don't matter if it is only 1 ac with no magic'

Boreas says, 'perhaps if there were more materials that you can use tailor with?'

Battle Druids Overpowered?

Cadmus says, 'did anyone kinda point at the battle druid thing tonight?'

LadyAce says, 'we talked about issues with 2nd circ create already if that's whatcha mean'

Cadmus shakes his head.

LadyAce says, 'well, shoot :)'

Cadmus says, 'more meaning the 60 spirit augments =p'

Cadmus says, 'its been thrown around a lot about how druids are really powerful even with 60 spirit etc'

Boreas says, 'battle druids are one of those pk balance vs mobkill balance things'

Cadmus says, 'they rule best in mobkill and in pkill'

Cadmus says, 'they flee/slap augments on for 35 mana healing min of 80 hps'

Boreas says, 'mine is wimpy in mobkill'

Cadmus says, 'you dont use it right? =p'

Unfair Charmie Tactics?

Cadmus says, 'i also have a bone to pick about pkill and creating charmies'

Cadmus says to LadyAce, 'ready for this? =p'

LadyAce giggles.

LadyAce says, 'shoot.'

Cadmus says, 'here goes'

Cadmus says, 'im a create mage be it 2nd circle or 3rd'

Cadmus says, 'i come and fight you and incite'

Cadmus says, 'now I can make a charmie, whatever I would like.. and flee'

Cadmus says, 'that charmie is made auto agg to whoever I am fighting'

Cadmus says, 'so when I flee to either laugh or just heal, you are stuck there fighting that charmie unless you can calm'

Cadmus says, 'if you do calm I can just come back in and repeat over and over again'

Cadmus says, 'I really dislike the fact that charmies are made auto agg to the caster's target'

Boreas says, 'kinda makes you wonder why create mages complain about being downgraded, doesn't it?'

LadyAce says, 'sounds like maybe charmies should notice that their owner poofed'

Cadmus says, 'creates have always been good =p'

Kaige says, 'because not all create mages can flee?'

Bling says, '3c create is still the best mob killer'

Cadmus says to Kaige, 'not all create mages know this fact'

Kaige says to Cadmus, 'they will tomorrow'

Cadmus says, 'but if you take say a good pker like.. aquilante'

Cadmus says, 'he is a 2nd create druid and knows of the charmie auto agg'

Cadmus says, 'which makes said character type, 2nd create druid.. almost impossible to beat in pk due to fleeing and charmies unless of course you are a mage yourself with detect illusion'

Cadmus says, 'even with targeting him and not his doppel he will be able to flee while you are raging against his doppel heal and repeat until you die'

Cadmus says, 'to me it is a cheap way to escape a pk fight'

Kaige nods solemnly.

Cadmus says, 'if your low on health.. just need mana to create any charmie and flee while your victim has to kill that charmie'

Kaige says, 'but then's so's flee and run to a safe room'

Bling says, 'moot point since pkok'

Cadmus says, 'without you ordering that is.. which would take some lag time etc'

Kaige nods her agreement with Bling.

Bling nods solemnly.

Cadmus says, 'more so the not needing to order, auto agg, thing is what upsets me'

Kaige says, 'well bug/idea it and we'll see what we can come up with'

Cadmus nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'any last questions?'

Cadmus says, 'well that isn't a bug is it?'

Kaige says, 'which is why I said /idea'

Cadmus giggles.

Cadmus nods solemnly.

Kaige just means write it down where it'll be seen and put in the queue

Cadmus nods solemnly.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'good night :)'

Kaige says, 'Thanks for coming guys.'

Boreas waves happily.

Cadmus waves happily.

LadyAce waves happily.

Bling waves good-bye to LadyAce.

Kaige gives gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Kaige waves happily.

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