April 26th, 2001

Missing Weather Messages?

LadyAce says, 'so, who has a question?'

Chaykin says, 'well, a friend and I noticed the other day that one of us saw messages about changes in the weather, while the other didn't. Is there a reason for that?'

LadyAce looks up into the sky and ponders.

LadyAce says, 'other person didn't notice?'

Chaykin says, 'I didn't see. She told me there was a message like "It starts to rain" and told me exactly when she saw it. I backscrolled and it wasn't there.'

Gondar says, 'difference in perception perhaps?'

Chaykin says, 'she also said she sees lots of such messages'

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'I have 30 perc so I can't tell it's raining?'

Chaykin chuckles politely.

Kaige shakes her head.

Gondar shrugs philosophically.

Kaige says, 'you have it gagged in your client?'

Chaykin says, 'no...'

LadyAce says, 'I am pretty sure I see them...'

LadyAce says, 'i can't think of any code that would block such things...'

LadyAce looks up into the sky and ponders.

Gondar says, 'zmud defaults to gag password, I hadda turn it off cause it was interfering with certain spell triggers'

Kaige says, 'me either... as long as you're outdoors'

Chaykin says, 'she said just after she walked into the room with me she saw it. the room was outdoors and we were both in the same one'

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'you use zmud?'

Quimby nods solemnly.

Chaykin says to Gondar, 'yep, but my password has no words in it'

Gondar shrugs philosophically.

Chaykin says, '"It starts to rain."'

Soze says, 'it could still be thought a password with simple matchings'

Gondar nods his agreement with Soze.

Chaykin says to Soze, 'I don't see how. none of it matches'

Chaykin says, 'anyway it's not a big big deal...just seemed strange to me'

Chaykin says, 'because she says she sees lots of weather messages. I see hardly any'

Kaige says to Chaykin, 'do you see the sunrise and sunset and moon messages?'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Kaige.

Kaige says, 'weird.'

LadyAce says, 'very odd'

LadyAce says, 'Not sure there is much we can do there...report it as a bug so that it's in the files?'

Chaykin says, 'heh k'

Kaige says, 'especially if it's any particular areas you don't see them'

Chaykin says to Kaige, 'was at the well of trust in Romania'

Soze says, 'ah, I've seen chant's getting "ignored" too'

Chaykin says to Soze, 'ignored?'

Soze nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'you mean, you type chant foo and it doesn't show up?'

LadyAce would say that's either client or network problems

Chaykin says to Soze, 'you know what's weird, that happens to me with directions sometimes. And a friend of mine too.'

Soze says, 'you type em' they never show up, you await skill-lag, but it don't come, you repeat and it's there'

Chaykin says, 'type n enter, nothing happens'

Chaykin says, 'then n enter again and you move'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Soze.

LadyAce says, 'yea, that's going to be due to network issues or client issues'

Lorenzo chuckles politely.

Omni says, 'perhaps command gets lagged out?'

Soze says, 'that's odd, since I've tried it on raw telnet too'

Kaige says, 'or the packet gets lost on the way to the machine'

Chaykin says, 'it's possible the command gets lost in the mail'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'and with no lag whatsoever'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Soze.

Soze says, 'but since I couldn't replicate it....'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'if there's no skill lag, the mud didn't get the command'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'was there actually a bug with sink a while ago?'

Quimby says, 'oh skip that no biggie'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'with you chanting, losing mana like a fail-cast but they still gain mana from it'

Soze says, 'and no skill-lag'

Soze says, 'err'

Quimby says, 'ah'

Soze says, 'well, like a failed chant skill lag, less pulses'

LadyAce says, 'weird. make a bug report with all the details you remember? It might be a case with no message'

Ea! says, 'You might try running without support for compression and see if that helps...'

Soze says, 'I don't'

Soze says, 'I never did, never will :P'

Soze says, 'and it still happened on raw telnet too'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'bug report!'

LadyAce says to Quimby, 'your turn'

Chaykin says, 'it's the command getting lost on the way to the machine, I bet'

Soze says, 'but I can't replicate it, it just happened, it seems to be gone now :P'

Soze shakes his head in disagreement with Chaykin.

Spell Failure Rate

Quimby says, 'oh what the hell its been brought up a million times but im sick of spells i learned at level 2 failing at level 30 on up whats up with this?'

LadyAce says, 'all spells have a chance to fail'

Quimby says, 'im tired of casting str or bless or armor and not having it go off or cure light for gods sake'

LadyAce says, 'some spells don't think a thing about when you learn them'

Gondar fails armor spell at least once a day

Quimby says, 'yeah but at 100 mind it should be very rare, i died cause i couldn't get an immolate off earlier'

Quimby says, '5 failures in a row'

LadyAce says, 'strange...'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think any of that code has changed in ages'

Omni says to Quimby, 'i too have 100 mind and at level 35 fail immolate often'

LadyAce says, 'how about at lev 50?'

LadyAce says, 'not all that surprising to fail spells against lev 50 mobs at lev 35...'

Quimby says, 'but if its like you say cast level, then i should very rarely have any problems with str armor or bless'

Gondar says, 'I fail armor at least 5 times as often as I fail immolate at 50'

Quimby says, 'it was a sidhe i think'

Quimby says, 'now i will hit 40 and i wont hardly ever have a fail on immolate or any of the other ones'

Limn Spell

Quimby says, 'someone told me i can cast limn 3 times on a mob but ive gone further, if it affects the mob 3 times can't we put a little message saying that'

Quimby says, 'you cant cast it any further'

Quimby says, 'after the third casting its a waste of mana'

Gondar nods his agreement with Quimby.

Quimby says, 'or so i think. not sure cause i see no message change'

Quimby says, 'after the second'

Quimby says, 'if you cast it once it goes to a faint glow'

Gondar says, 'it does give 2 messages, once on first casting, and a second one for all subsequent castings'

Quimby says, 'then gets steadier on teh second casting, no change on teh third'

Quimby says, 'what i want to know does the third casting do anything'

Ea! says, 'I think it's just extending the duration, not actually increasing the effect at all.'

Quimby says, 'oh'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Kaige says, 'yeah that's whjat it looks likje'

Cause Charm Restrictions?

Quimby says, 'oh can i ask what was meant on last weeks post on restricting charmies for cause mages?'

Ea! says, 'cause mages can't control as many charmies as they used to be able to.'

Quimby says, 'i never have more then 5 i get confused all the time with em'

Quimby says, 'if its a guard and im killing a guard i usually kill my damn charmie so i dont even bother with em to be honest'

Omni says, 'what is the maximum number or charmies you can have?'

Ea! says, 'It varries depending on your mind.'

Quimby says, 'i do wish there was a way to get a zombie over a skeleton , tis too much based on luck'

Ea! says to Quimby, 'I'm planning a revamp of animate dead when I get a chance, but I'm not sure it'll be any time soon.'

Quimby nods solemnly.

Gondar says to Ea!, 'are you gonna add more options to it?'

Quimby says, 'i just plain dont use charmies too much mana and skeletons no help just a little buffer for a few hits'

Ea! says to Gondar, 'I hope to.'

Omni says to Ea!, 'so say i have 100 mind.. what then can i expect to get for a charmie army?'

Gondar says, 'kool'

Gondar likes the idea of wraiths and such as well as the egular ones

Quimby nods his agreement with Gondar.

Rosaline cuddles Gondar.

Ea! says, 'I want to make it so that there are more options and it's easier to control what you get -- but you'll control it based on criteria, not by your choice.'

Gondar nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'You might get a ghoul if you cast it in a graveyard, for example.'

LadyAce whistles at Ea! appreciatively.

Gondar jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Ea!!

Chaykin says, 'what's the point?'

Soze says, 'would that affect create too?'

Rosaline says to Ea!, 'and what about vampies? we ever get vampies?'

Soze says, 'just on a side note :P'

Gondar chuckles politely at Rosaline's feeble witticism.

Quimby says to Rosaline, 'we have enough damn vampires running around here don't you think?'

Soze nods his agreement with Quimby.

Mordred says, 'life drain attack would be cool'

Ea! says to Rosaline, 'I dunno, it would depend on what we came up with.'

Rosaline shakes her head in disagreement with Quimby.

Ea! says, 'It's something that requires a lot of research...'

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'zombies!'

Ea! says to Soze, 'Would the animate changes effect create mages? No. The limit on charmies? No, they still have the old one.'

Soze says to Ea!, 'more thinking whether e.g. homies would be different as to where they were created.... '

Soze says to Ea!, 'just a thought'

Soze says, 'would be nice with a little variety :P'

Ea! says to Soze, 'Oh, yeah, I'd like to do that sort of thing, too. We'll see how it works with the animate change.'

Chaykin says, 'I think more should be done with create charmies personally'

Chaykin shrugs philosophically.

Soze nods his agreement with Ea!.

Gondar says to Chaykin, 'creates already have the best, most varied charmies, and you want more?'

Gondar is completely boggled.

Quimby says, 'well id like to see create greater summons go up to 500 mana each so you can't solo sl :P'

Soze says to Gondar, 'they are dreadfully boring, at least you can have skellies of what you kill'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Soze.

Gondar says, 'wow. . . skellies. . . the most useless charmies there are'

Quimby says, 'my favorite skele's are the ones of people's dead dopples'

Gondar does like dead doppels though

Soze says to Gondar, 'not the point, I'm not talking about more kind of create charmies, more like different descriptions etc.'

Soze says, 'perhaps on a random basis with skills as of where they were created as ea just suggested with cause'

Gondar chuckles politely.

Gondar says to Soze, 'talk them into doing the charmie strings I idead'

Gondar chuckles politely.

Soze shrugs philosophically.

Quimby says, 'but take me in a few questions trying to eat and its messy'

Soze says, 'strings in the hands of mortals? iekwkeraeararaaargh!'

Gondar shakes his head.

Gondar shakes his head in disagreement with Soze.

The OOC Library

Rosaline says, 'Since the Library is just SITTING there ;) shoulding we get all of those umm... I don't know what to call them Mini Arks? anyway, couldn't we get those in there?'

LadyAce says, 'mini arks?'

Rosaline says, 'the little stories like the recent one with the poisoned well?'

LadyAce says, 'the Library is Kae's project actually'

LadyAce says, 'tiny plots'

Gondar says, 'tinyplot'

Chaykin says, 'you want those things to be written in there?'

Rosaline nods solemnly.

Chaykin says, 'that'd be neat'

LadyAce says, 'well, that's what we have on the web...it's probably more readable on the web than on boards?'

Rosaline says, 'that way people can go in there and read them, like me'

Gondar never knew there was a library

Rosaline says to LadyAce, 'but what if your on a comp where you can't use the browser? having them in the library would be cool'

LadyAce says, 'it's just a room, really'

LadyAce says to Rosaline, 'I think we do want to have information there, but not info that reproduces something done in another forum.'

Rosaline sighs wistfully at the sight of LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'I'd like to see little historical synopses, poems, etc.'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'rites of different cultures, an RP tome'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'right. Basically a place with RP resources.'

Soze nods solemnly.

More Missing Messages?

Gondar will wait on the spam before trying to get an answer to his earlier question

LadyAce says to Gondar, 'what question? Didn't intend to not-answer it'

Gondar says, 'I have had, on occasion, chanted a spell, seen the effect, but not the withdrawing, etc. and generally only 1 pulse of lag when that happens. . . and ideas?'

Gondar sighs loudly.

Ea! says to Gondar, 'I meant to boggle at it if I didn't.'

Ea! says, 'It's news to me.'

LadyAce says, 'report it on the bug channel.'

Friendship Lists

Quimby says, 'now i forgot oh this enemy list and friend list'

Quimby says, 'it says when yo archive it supposed to remove your name from people's lists'

Quimby says, 'it doesn't

Soze says, 'oooh, could enemy actually get to mean something at some point? *pounce*'

Omni snickers at Soze nastily.

Ea! says, 'It does it when they log back in.'

Quimby says, 'and can we have those lists cleared for us by an immortal, half of the people on shane's no longer exist, or are archived'

Ea! says, 'And enemies do mean something. They work for befriend the way reject works for accept.'

Quimby says, 'some i never see period'

Ea! says to Quimby, 'Actually, if they're archived, they stay on the list.'

LadyAce says, 'so if you befriend all, you can pick people to have as enemies'

Rosaline says, 'it makes sense that when you leave they'll still be your enemy or still accept challenges'

Quimby nods solemnly.

Soze says to Ea!, 'umm, if they are never befriended in the first place they are considered enemies?'

Ea! says, 'That's to protect you from having someone archive and then unarchive in order to get off of one of yourl ists.'

Quimby says, 'but it limits you to 30 doesnt it'

Quimby says, 'ah'

Rosaline wants to go BA, Befriend All *cackle*

LadyAce says, 'a command to clear out your whole list might be useful'

Ea! says, 'But I should update the code on befriend/repudiate so that it works like accept/reject and you can remove people simply.'

Quimby nods solemnly.

Quimby says, 'i dont like that i can repudiate from one end of the mud but to befriend them i have to meet them again'

LadyAce says, 'so the short answer is, we're working on it.'

Next New Area?

Quimby says, 'oh when's the next area going in sandra :P'

LadyAce says, 'no areas in final review, some areas in testing'

Sandra says, 'sorry, um, what LA said'

LadyAce says, 'Straussy is making good progress on titanic, and Leila on London, and Cheyla on Alaska. They're the only ones I see messages from regularly'

Underwater Logic?

Quimby says, 'hrrrm heres a silly idea but if we cant make fire underwater should we be able to cast spells underwater?'

Ea! says, 'At one point we went through and got a long list of the changes to spells/skills that should take place under water...'

Ea! says, 'but then the coder left and we never got the data from him.'

Chaykin winces in sympathy with Ea!.

Quimby says, 'i still think magical ( immolates and such) should work not things like torches and lanterns'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'most of the info is still in charity's log from the underwater discussion on the web in the lectures'

Kaige says, 'or at least a lot of it'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'cool.'

Combined or Set Equip?

Soze says to Sandra, 'umm as the big-bad-builder and all, have you considered set-eq?'

Sandra says to Soze, 'set-eq?'

Soze says to Sandra, 'like, 5 pieces of renty junk will become something usefull if combined... I guess there's some code involved there too..'

Sandra shakes her head.

Soze says to Sandra, 'wanna?'

Soze bounces onto Sandra's lap.

LadyAce says to Soze, 'that's mostly a code thing, not much to do with builders'

Sandra says to Soze, 'not really? ;) It' actually more code than builder'

LadyAce says, 'as far as getting it done goes'

Soze mopes around Sandra. You hope you don't start being depressed too.

LadyAce says, 'thing is, it's not like we could give you more than the usual +5 max bonus'

Soze says, 'sure!'

Sandra nods her agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'so the combo eq might be hard to give a benefit worthy of the difficulty'

Soze says, 'but i'm thinking renty junk, 2 net stat or something, alingment restricted, like really hard to fit in, and give a bonus, of course no more than net 5 each'

Omni says, 'true if it only has a 5 bonus'

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'What if one items were a usual slot, and the other four were custom slots?'

LadyAce says, 'I don't think anyone's actively planning on working it, but it's something in the list'

LadyAce says, 'custom slots?'

LadyAce says, 'you mean having items in aux slots making the normal-slotted item be worth more?'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Lorenzo says to LadyAce, 'that would obviate thee problem with +5 max making it uninteresting, anyway.'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'umm kinda like an extention to heavy alingment restrictions there already are on some pieces [and lovely pieces] of eq'

Soze is a mashochist when it comes to eq.

LadyAce says, 'it's been suggested before, I think it's an interesting way to add depth from a historical context'

Soze cheers wildly!

Soze bats his eyelashes at LadyAce.

Soze says to LadyAce, 'like ritter-gear, full ritter gear gives a bonus... yeahuh'

Soze nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Soze ignores everything, lost in his own little world.

Lorenzo says to Soze, 'ah..'

LadyAce says, 'I think we've got a lot of other high-priority stuff going at the moment, but I can definitely see the nifty cool factor'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'it's a suggestion and a question if you would consider it'

Soze says to LadyAce, 'not something I want coded now'

Lorenzo says, ' a scarred metal blowtorch a fuming tank of acetylene'

LadyAce says to Soze, 'it was almost someone's coder project once...'

IC Clothing for Newbies?

Chaykin says, 'how about making it so that newbies are dressed in period clothes from the start? Guys from ind would have waistcoats and women dresses and parasols...people from Agrabah in robes and silks...'

Chaykin says, 'it would set it in newbies' minds right off that bat that we RP here'

Chaykin says, 'and give them a little much-needed AC'

Soze says, 'that works'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce nods solemnly.

Ea! says, 'i like it.'

Soze would really like a little more themes without strings too.

Kaige says, 'we could probably do that fairly easily with the hometown set up we have.. or an easy addition to the existing one'

Rosaline says, 'Yeah, I don't like running round naked'

LadyAce says, 'it's a good idea, i'm not sure why it's not like that now'

Chaykin says, 'well I think it'd be cool :)'

Kaige says to LadyAce, 'people used to makes tons of newbies to sell whatever they were given, creating fake newbies to seell the stuff.. easier to start them with less'

Kaige says, 'on one hand... didn't say it was optimal'

LadyAce says to Kaige, 'but now we have Prices'

Chaykin says, 'well it doesn't have to be anything that valuable...just maybe worth 20 AC or so overall'

Yui says, 'maybe newbie kit gear worth 0.'

Chaykin says, 'for maybe 3-5 pieces'

Ea! says, 'I'd like to see people have a bunch of stuff in each slot and have some random options for each slot based on gender, etc.'

Chaykin says, 'but more than the ac is just feeling like you are actually part of your hometown right away'

Quimby says, 'well suggested'

Soze cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Quimby says, 'having newbies run around with just a weapon and a lantern is boring, get em some clothing'

Kaige says to Ea!, 'what I think would work is something like the NAMES section, but hand them a specific set of items from limbo strung to those'

Quimby says, 'maybe a bag and stuff and a boat'

Soze says to Kaige, 'perhaps some family jewelry?'

Quimby says, 'esp london i rememebr being stuck there for a day cause i couldn't lift a galleon at level 1 and there were no dingy's to be boughty'

Soze says to Kaige, 'or sword/dagger gun, dependin on sex and place of birth'

LadyAce says, 'not sure about a boat'

Kaige says, 'would depend on each builder'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Quimby says, 'or make is so the boatmaker can't be stolen from'

LadyAce says, 'would be nice to eliminate the everyone-carries-a-boat-on-their-back phenomenon...not reinforce it'

Kaige says, 'which in most cases these days is me for the hometowns'

Kaige peers at herself myopically.

Quimby nods solemnly.

Kaige sighs loudly.

Soze nudges Kaige.

Rusalka hugs Kaige.

Kaige says to Soze, 'so we'll have to work out how to implement it and we'll see what we come up with'

Soze nods his agreement with Kaige.

Chaykin says to X'z, 'yeah but too many people start out here and just ignore the mud theme and their hometown'

X'z nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Soze says to Sandra, '_more_ aligned eq!'

Soze beams at Sandra delightedly.

Chaykin says, 'so then the answer is, it's a good idea and you'd think of doing it?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Chaykin.

Chaykin smiles happily.

Chaykin says, 'okie'

Soze says, 'to be honest, you've got a good place going, and it's all in detail, the more the better'

Soze shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says to Chaykin, 'put it in on idea so we don't lose it?'

Quimby says, 'well i was looking around here earlier and saw the pr trophy room'

Quimby says, 'last updates were 1998, we had newbie kit design contests for 2 years how come they stopped'

LadyAce says to Quimby, 'needs updating, I remember you saying that earlier today :)'

Quimby nods solemnly.

LadyAce says, 'just haven't run it in a while. I graduated from college and got a job in 1998, so...'

LadyAce says to Quimby, 'games run pretty much as people's interest allows, so I would say that people are just not interested in running it. suggest on idea that it be re-run and your vote will be recorded'

Aging

Quimby says, 'we should make it so you dont age ooc :P'

Quimby says, 'how do you figure out your age according to the mud, not hours played ive been youthened so many times i cant tell'

Soze says, 'would be pretty funny if I had been playing 2 hours'

Soze peers at himself myopically.

Rosaline says, 'I'm 43 in mud years!'

Quimby pats Sandra on the head.

Quimby says, 'im only 26 but played 187 hours'

Quimby says to Rosaline, 'old bat'

Soze says, '18 and 788 hours'

Quimby ducks under Rosaline.

Sandra says, '1137'

Social Events

Quimby says, 'i propose we shut the mud down once a week and make everyone go to the yahoo club room :P'

Soze says, 'oh god no!'

Soze whimpers softly.

Quimby throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Soze hated that ghastly place.

Rusalka says, 'and get spammed by mp3s?'

Rusalka shudders.

Mute says, 'God Craven will play the chain saw song!'

Sasha says, 'I don't think it's the mud's responsibility for you to have a life'

Sasha laughs with amusement.

Rusalka nods her agreement with Soze.

Sandra says, 'ack'

Soze mopes around Rusalka. You hope you don't start being depressed too.

Rusalka giggles at Soze.

You do a slow fade as Soze whines at Rusalka, hoping he won't get to you too.

Chaykin giggles at Sasha.

Kaige says to Quimby, 'if someone set a time and advertised it regularly, I bet people would show up'

Kaige shrugs philosophically.

Soze says, 'irc instead!'

Rusalka says, 'and then there were those auto socials'

Rusalka scuffles her feet around in the dirt.

Soze says, 'no spammy popups, commercials and god knows how many logins and stuff.'

Chaykin says, 'I think the mud itself could use more social events, without taking them out of the game altogether'

Chaykin shrugs helplessly.

Lorenzo says, 'I don't think I understand. Why sit on a web page running applets that crash my ewb browser to say the same things to the same people as I can say via chat while playing?'

Chaykin nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Soze nods his agreement with Lorenzo.

Soze shivers uncomfortably.

Kaige says, 'well one place it definitely will not be confused as to who is saying it.. the player or the character'

Kaige chuckles politely.

Ea! says to Lorenzo, ''cause trading mp3s is a pain via notes?'

Rusalka giggles at Kaige.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'OK, good point.'

Lorenzo grins evilly at Ea!.. wonder what he's thinking...

Soze says, 'so, we turned into the socializing Q&A now :P'

Chaykin says, 'yeah, the Q&A mixer'

Chaykin giggles.

LadyAce chuckles politely at Lorenzo's feeble witticism.

LadyAce says, 'anyone else need stuff answered?'

LadyAce says, 'otherwise we can call this the end.'

LadyAce gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

LadyAce waves happily.

Limit # of Clans?

Fuego says, 'am i too late? or can i ask a question?'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'Both?'

Kaige says, 'we're technically done I think... but we can try'

Fuego says, 'now that i realized that you raised the max number of people allowed in a clan, is there any chance we can restrict the amount of clans to lets say, 20?'

Fuego says, 'i know there are 28 current clans, but they will poof, lets just not make a new clan be able to formed'

Fuego says, 'i think if we went down to only 20 clans, it would make clans mean more'

Fuego says, 'i would actually push for a lower numer, but i know thats not gonna happen'

Rosaline says to Fuego, 'you know how silly that is?'

Fuego says, 'the fewer clans there are, the more important they become'

Tobias nods his agreement with Fuego.

Rosaline shakes her head.

Fuego says, 'its a priveledge to be in a clan'

Rosaline says, 'just means more people forming loose clans'

Kaige says, 'That's come up before, and I think if someone has a good idea for a clan that's not already out there, they should be able to try it.'

Fuego says, 'not a "oh, i guess i'll join a clan"'

Rosaline says to Fuego, 'not really'

Kaige says, 'and 32 is feeling like a good number.'

Fuego says, 'but its too many'

Ea! says to Fuego, 'But if it's too hard to get in a clan, everyone who's in a clan now will just clan their friends.'

Fuego says, '32 times 25 is way more then the amount of players we have :/'

Kaige says, 'if people were more discriminating about who they LET into their clans it would mean more too.. espeically the cooler clans where everyone wants to get in'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Tobias says, 'Like the Player's Club ^_~'

Fuego says to Kaige, 'yeah, well if clans now have a larger amount of people they can accept in, they're more likely to accept someone just for the hell of it'

Fuego says, 'Malia said herself, "oh we only have 16 members in coven, time to go look for more"'

Rosaline says, 'my clan has reqs, not hard ones but still reqs'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'they shouldn't. That's no reason to prevent people from coming up with new & different ideas.'

Kaige says, 'shame on them.. they should make sure it's people who are going to benefit the clan'

Lorenzo shrugs philosophically.

Fuego says, 'EVERYONE can pretend they are going to benefit the clan'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'and everyone can be ousted, right?'

Fuego says, 'yeah, well they arent'

Kaige says, 'and if they don't they can be outcast too... more gms need to remember that's an option and use it'

Lorenzo says, 'sounds like a another social problem that can be fixed with code, but shouldn't.'

Lorenzo says to Tobias, 'Lazy? Pshah! Why do I need to be in lazy? Seeking is so much trouble.'

Tobias says, 'I haven't had people apply ^_~'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Fuego says, 'yeah, well you would if there were less then 28 clans :/'

Tobias says to Fuego, 'Lazy doesn't have a point ^_~'

Fuego says, 'neither do grendels'

Tobias says to Fuego, 'You have a biiit more of one.'

Fuego says, 'im not a grendel'

Fuego whaps Tobias across the back of the head - your ears ring in sympathy.

Tobias says to Fuego, 'Fine, then the grendels do ^_~'

Tobias sticks his tongue out at Fuego. =P

Tobias says, 'They kill people!'

Tobias grins evilly.

Fuego says, 'what about IRA?'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'Don't be so sure. I'm not clanned, and I'm satisifed with that. Not like having fewer options will drive me to seek someone I wouldn't otherwise.'

Fuego says, 'they have NO point!'

Tobias says, 'I don't even know what IRA stands for ^_~'

Fuego says to Lorenzo, 'you dont know that, if being in a clan actually meant something, you would have more of a goal to be in a clan'

Snoring loudly, Tobias nods off to sleep using a big, inflatable, red thinking chair as a pillow.

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'It does mean something to me to be in a clan.'

Fuego says, 'i want GM's to have to really strain through the people that apply to get a good member'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'That's why I'm not in one.'

Fuego says to Lorenzo, 'it means you have a clan channel :/'

Fuego says, 'whatever, my idea would work, and i know it :P'

Fuego chuckles politely.

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Fuego says, 'i've seen it work before on alot of other muds'

Fuego says, 'i played a mud where there were only 5 clans, and everyone else was rogue'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'Clanning is joining a society. There aren't any clans I, Lorenzo San Pedro, want to be part of right now, so I'm not joining one. Having more clans might alleviate that, but having fewer won't.'

Fuego says, 'people STRIVED to be in a clan'

Fuego says to Lorenzo, 'if more clans were created then each one becomes less important'

Fuego says to Lorenzo, 'would you want to join a clan that meant nothing, altho it matched your RP?'

Fuego says, 'it just pisses me off that we have some of the stupidest clans around :P'

Rusalka shrugs helplessly.

Rusalka says, 'people choose to join them'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'I disagree: it's not a limited commodity that I dearly want a piece of. It's a subculture I want to be part of, and there's no limitation of resources on that.'

Kaige says, 'only if they all do nothing... yeah.. more of the same is less important... the trick is to make your clan important and to make people WANT to be a member of your cool subgroup'

Fuego says, 'SWAT team, Tuatha De Mannan, Bahan Sopeh'

Rusalka nods her agreement with Kaige.

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Rusalka says, 'poeple get the clans they deserve, to paraphrase A.E. van voght'

Ea! says, 'I think that the problem is that people don't play their clanned characters enough and don't work on publicity enough.'

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Rusalka says, 'pkok may have made that worse'

Fuego says to Kaige, 'and they would make it a REAL clan if they couldnt just "make" a clan at will'

Rusalka says, 'pkok may have made that worse'

Fuego says, 'i've been in that situation where i just created a clan just for the hell of it'

Tobias says, 'Coven is getting a lot of publicity right now...'

Tobias says, 'they're having a neato rp conflict.'

Tobias nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Fuego says, 'no planning went into it, i just grabbed 5 friends, and poof there we go'

Fuego says, 'im a clan!'

Rusalka says to Ea!, 'now you make infinite numbers of clanned characters'

Rusalka says to Ea!, '..and not play them'

Rusalka admits to some guilt

Ea! says, 'Yep.'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'I think that the will to make meaningless clans derives from a lack of sense of what a clan's value is, not from a surplus of clans.'

Ea! says, 'But before you could play non-clanned characters just as easily...'

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Rusalka says, 'this is true'

Kaige says, 'so what it sounds like is we need not a higher barrier to entry, but a higher barrier to sustaining it'

Fuego says, 'its all based on the Supply and demand idea'

Rusalka says, 'originally, of course, you got ONE clanned char, when clanned meant pk'

Fuego says, 'more supply means demand is down'

Fuego says, 'less supply means demand is up'

Rusalka says, 'i personally don't have a problem with "silly" clans'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'What I'm saying is that I think this is completely orthogonal to supply economics.'

Ea! says to Kaige, 'We could only count the members who have logged in in the last week in the count of people who are in the clan for the checks.'

Rusalka nods solemnly.

Rusalka says, 'hm..note to self'

Fuego says to Lorenzo, 'no its not :/'

Lorenzo shrugs philosophically.

Rusalka says, 'make a weekly character login checklist'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'ok'

Fuego says to Lorenzo, 'it fits just as an economy in the US does'

Fuego says, 'we are a mud economy, and the US is a social economy'

Fuego says, 'the idea of supply and demand is more common sense then it is an economical idea'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'I think it's completely different. I'm not a member of my local Rotary Club because the Lions are bigger, and it's therefore easier to become Rotary. I'm a member because I like bake sales.'

Fuego says, 'whatever, i hope you guys will take it into consideration that the clans of today have little to no meaning, and that if we make the supply of clans go down, the demand to be in one will raise'

Tobias laughs with amusement.

Kaige says, 'the supply has gone down (number of clans, although the number of clan slots has increased) in the past year'

Lorenzo says to Fuego, 'Essentially: supply/demand economics only apply where there is a limited resource in high demand. If you can't make the demand, the limitation of resources won't drive activity.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Lorenzo.

Fuego says to Kaige, 'yes, and i have noticed that clans mean more now then they did a few months ago'

Kaige says, 'basically, you have to create demand, not wait for supply to create it'

Fuego says, 'remember when we had the "Pikachu" clan?'

Fuego says, 'i will never forget that :P'

Lorenzo nods his agreement with Kaige.

Fuego says, 'stupid clan demeaned every clan on this mud'

Lorenzo says to Kaige, 'exactly'

Ea! says, 'Well, but that clan was more popular than half the clans on this mud... driven up by an outside demand.'

Kaige says, 'Oh.. that could be fun and very interesting, but I don't know how to implement it'

Fuego says, 'to implement what?'

Lorenzo looks up into the sky and ponders.

Kaige says, 'allowing clans to be voted out of existance by the others'

Fuego says, 'that could get ugly'

Kaige nods her agreement with Fuego.

Fuego says, 'people are assholes :P'

Kaige says, 'yup'

Kaige says, 'would definitely give them something to fight over on the PK side'

Lorenzo says, 'It could, but that would definitely create some demand.'

Ea! says, 'And make clan allegiances very important.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Ea!.

Fuego says, 'so we're making the mud a copy of survivor?'

Fuego smirks.

Kaige shakes her head.

Ea! giggles.

Kaige says, 'not hardly'

Fuego says, 'i vote you off! :P'

Fuego chuckles politely.

Kaige says, 'would be more umm... complex and subtle than that'

Lorenzo says, 'People who were upset by it could make characters to seek other clans, to balance off the aggression.'

Fuego says, 'how would you derive the vote from?'

Kaige says, 'because I'd like to include a way to better measure "activity" of a clan as well and that would weight things'

Lorenzo says, 'Allegiance would become more important. Threat beings people together.'

Tobias wobbles around unsteadily - better sniff his breath!

Fuego says, 'all people? or all GM's?'

Fuego says, 'or all people clanned?'

Fuego says, 'well, take it into consideration, im gonna go get drunk'

Fuego nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

Tobias says to Fuego, 'Nice priorities ^^;'

Tobias giggles.

Kaige says, 'ok I have to go deal with dinner'

Kaige gives a big hug to everyone in the room.

Tobias waves happily.

Kaige says, 'thanks for coming and stuff'

Kaige waves happily.

REJECTGIVES/SPLITS?

Semirhage says, 'question, what does "config rejectgives keeps you out of any splits" mean'

Semirhage says, 'like gold splits?'

Sasha says, 'if you have reject give on you cant get gold in a group'

Ea! says, 'It means that if you've got rejectgives on, you won't get money when someone in your group uses split'

Semirhage says, 'hm'

Semirhage says, 'can't see as how that was very important to the game, but okay, hehe'

Ea! says, 'It was a suggestion and easy enough to do.'

Semirhage says, 'I didn't know there was an autosplit'

Semirhage says, 'I sorta vaguely remember using it eons ago'

Semirhage says, 'but quit using it cuz charmies were included'

Ea! says, 'I think we changed that one a few months back, by the way.'

Semirhage says, 'its so hard to get coins off of charmies'

Getting Rid of Doppels?

Semirhage says, 'I don't know how simple it is but I have to add one suggestion for the week or it won't be complete'

Semirhage ruffles Ea!'s hair playfully.

Semirhage says, 'would be nice if there was either some way to locate your own doppel, have a new spell imp'd that reaches across time and kills your dopple, or when you make a new one your old one poofs'

Semirhage says, 'something'

Semirhage says, 'I have to go invis and ask people to locate semirhage to find it'

Sasha cheers for Semirhage - huzzah!

Semirhage says, 'which seems incredibly dumb'

Sasha says, 'good idea'

Ea! says, 'You should keep better track of the doppel.'

Ea! ducks to the ground.

Semirhage says, 'since you can't locate with a #.'

Sasha chuckles politely.

Semirhage says, 'well'

Semirhage says, 'if your wifes area let doppels in and out :P'

Semirhage says, 'but nooooo'

Semirhage throws her head back and cackles with insane glee!

Semirhage says, 'like I said, if its a giant code hassle, I guess that just sucks'

Semirhage says, 'but it sure is annoying'

Ea! says, 'It's more a matter of stuborness -- one of the things that makes using doppels harder.'

Semirhage chuckles politely.

Semirhage says, 'I guess'

Semirhage says, 'half the mobs you WANT to use one for see illusion'

Semirhage chuckles politely.

Ea! says, 'Anyhow, I gotta dash.'

Ea! waves happily.

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