October 26th, 2000

Possible to Timestamp Mudmail?

LadyAce says, 'I think that'd be cool.'

'Just like a header on the top of the note,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Received at 19:04:42 Aug 4 1999,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'Or whatever.'

'Yeah, it might be,' Ea! says to Sammael. 'Tempting just to pull out the whole board/note code and start over.'

'Time sent would be more useful I think,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says patiently, 'Well, received is time sent.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Its when your mailbox received it.'

Sammael says patiently, 'If that makes sense.'

LadyAce says, 'Thought you meant the time when you typed rec.'

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

'That would be worthless, hehe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sammael.

'I suggest you rip it since you hate it so much :),' Sammael says patiently to Ea!.

Warnings

LadyAce says, 'Part of it is and part isn't.'

LadyAce says, 'The part you see isn't, the part we see, is.'

Sammael snickers at LadyAce nastily.

'Great :P,' Sammael says patiently.

'Huginn hasn't figured out the part players see,' LadyAce says.

'I still only have 2, hehe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'When you get a warning, it emails the admin list,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Bet you guys got spammed.'

'For a while those emails were blank, and we think we fixed that,' LadyAce says.

'We're hoping to get a fix in for the other one, too, but we're not sure yet what's causing it,' Ea! says.

'Have they raised the warning level(minor,medium,major) for swearing on chat?' Zalbag says. 'I got a medium for saying BS and S in one line :P.'

Ea! says, 'And I'll probably clean out the duplicates when we reboot.'

'Problem is zalbag all imms are different,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says patiently, 'Which is unfortunate.'

LadyAce says, 'You might want to appeal warnings you get that seem uneven.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Well.'

'I did appeal,' Fuego says, annoyed by something.

'Think about it,' Sammael says patiently.

'I don't know the situation so I can't say for sure,' LadyAce says.

'If you get a ticket for speeding,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I don't know what was said before, after, or the attitude you displayed,' LadyAce says.

'Its a LOT easier to just pay it then go to court, play your word against mine in front of a judge, etc,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Zalbag says, 'Well im fine with it im just asking waht the standard is, i got mad yesterday and it was my fault for swearing on chat cause i was pissed off at two people.'

'In reality, the warning would have to be REALLY bad for me to appeal it,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Its just too much of a hassle,' Sammael says patiently.

'Talk to sandra or kaige they know the situation,' Zalbag says to LadyAce.

'Sides, you get the same feeling as you would in court...they are all friends and don't want to condemn one another,' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce says to Zalbag, 'As far as I know, we warn with minors unless there are extra circumstances.'

'Thanks for answreing my question ill ask kaige about it a bit more when she gets back :P,' Zalbag says to LadyAce.

'Oops, did I not handle it all the way?' LadyAce says to Zalbag. 'You would have to ask them what the extra circumstances were, yeah.'

'I was running out of topics,' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce says, 'As someone who overturns other people's warnings somewhat regularly ... maybe I'm not friends with anyone :).'

'Well you weren't at the situation so you dont know if i deserved a medium or not, i know kaige has seen the log so she knows why i swore etc.. :),' Zalbag says.

'Well,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Do you remember the last time I fought a warning ladyace,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Sabellea exploded on chat, calling me all sorts of names, then quit :P.'

How do you get pk banned?

'It usually takes some serious problems,' LadyAce says.

'Cuz I think sandra reversed her warning,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'So she went ape.'

LadyAce says, 'Repeated demonstrations of inability to handle pk, essentially.'

LadyAce says, 'We usually start with a temporary thing, and then a longer temp thing, etc.'

RogueMoon says incredulously, 'Inability to handle PK, what, like multi'ing someone?'

'Am I on your list of people to exempt from pk?' Sammael says tolerantly. ':P.'

Sammael would cry.

Sammael nods to himself - he must be getting senile.

'Not that I know of,' LadyAce says to Sammael.

'Hehe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I got pkbanned a few times, its boring,' Sammael says patiently.

'So, multi ing someone would be grounds to be pk banned?' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

Tyrion chuckles politely.

Fuego says, looking annoyed, 'I never got pk banned! :).'

'Inability to handle pk,' LadyAce says. 'Persistent cheating, harassment, etc.'

'I think she means if your constantly bugging imms,' Sammael says patiently.

'I seriously doubt thething could ever go pk,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Or if you do like I did in years past...when i started rattling off Fionn alts on chat :P after he killed me,' Moonshadow says.

'And stuff along the lines of spitting the dummy a lot,' Julia says honestly.

LadyAce says, 'We don't pkban someone out of nowhere tho.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'You can just tell who shouldn't be pkilling :).'

'Sometimes they can't though,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'We give them a lot of chances to shape up, but eventually it comes down to a last chance situation,' LadyAce says.

'Its like in the old system having two pkillers,' Zalbag says. 'Or basically like now you attacking someone with an alt, losing then logging on your other alt and finishing them off that would probably be grounds if you did it repeatedly :P.'

'Yea, I can only think of a few people who have EVER been removed from pk,' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sammael.

Kudos to Deanna and Sandra

RogueMoon nods solemnly.

'Which now makes that stupid dragon eye *snarl* less powerful,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Zalbag says, 'Eh what did they do to it?'

Zalbag doesnt pay attention.

Tyrion says, rather cocky, to Sammael, 'Hows that?'

'It has stats,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Zalbag says, 'Oh really?'

Fuego says, annoyed by something, 'It needs a special :P.'

Sammael puts tongues of flame in a giant treasure chest.

'Random stats,' Julia says honestly.

Julia says, speaking truthfully, 'Special would up the rent.'

'I wanna see a dagger with a 100 mind stun, as a special :),' Fuego says, annoyed by something.

'I would suggest the repop be upped,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Hey not too shabby :P,' Zalbag says.

'I'd like to commend ladyace for this insane bag :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia says, speaking truthfully, 'I want a 5 dex heavy dagger, no special.'

LadyAce giggles at Sammael.

Sammael says patiently, 'If a piece of gear existed for every single combo....good god.'

'Get someone to purify the one that's already out there,' Malia says in a sultry voice.

'It doesn't reduce the rent,' Julia says honestly.

Kaige says to Julia, 'Does it have to be q5?'

Julia says honestly, 'As a non-pkiller, 9K rent is just too much.'

Sammael says tolerantly, '9k rent is jack.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Shit, I know someone who uses a katar and still manages to have like 8k free rent WITH a chalice.'

'Shmeck :),' Fuego says, annoyed, to Sammael.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I don't know about him.'

Warnings Clarification

Mertjai says to Zalbag, 'Didn't you use the same word twice in the same chat?'

Zalbag says to Mertjai, 'Same word two different contexts!'

'Okie,' Mertjai says to Zalbag.

Zalbag says to Mertjai, 'In fact i said what sammael just said and the bull part too :P.'

Kaige says to Zalbag, 'Usually minor for first type offenses, it can be bumped depending if you were given attitude when you asked them to stop, or how abusive the language was towards another player.'

LadyAce beams delightedly.

LadyAce said that too :)

Sammael says patiently, 'I just know that if you'd drop your old gear, you wouldn't have such rent problems.'

'You seen the log from yesterday right?' Zalbag says to Kaige. 'Did i deserve a medium?'

Zalbag whines.

'I haven't had a chance to read through all that log yet,' Kaige says.

'Oh doh,' Zalbag says.

'Hey i was bitter yesterday,' Zalbag says to Fuego.

'Very bitter,' Zalbag says to Fuego.what's up.

'I will and see what's up,' Kaige says to Zalbag.

'I noticed :P,' Fuego says, looking annoyed.

Zalbag says to Kaige, 'Thanks.'

Zalbag says to LadyAce, 'Told ya you did a good job :P.'

Deicide's Site Ban

Kaige says to Fuego, 'Up to you.'

Fuego laughs with amusement.

Fuego looks up into the sky and ponders.

Fuego says, looking annoyed, 'Ok, since im already known as someone the mud hates...'

'If you told me that you would not discuss deicides situation with me, only him, and then he requests for you to authorize his ICQ so that he could talk to you, why do you ignore him?' Fuego says, looking annoyed, to Kaige.

'And why do you not reply to his emails?' Fuego says, looking annoyed, to Kaige.

'I haven't ignored him and have flat out told him that he's not welcome, but he doesn't seem to think that's bluntly rude enough,' Kaige says to Fuego.

'So your to say that once punished, there is no such thing as redemption on this mud?' Fuego says, annoyed by something, to Kaige.

'And I haven't opened icq in a couple weeks without it crashing,' Kaige says. 'However, I still have the same three email address as I have since I've been responding to his emails.'

LadyAce says to Fuego, 'I guess it comes down to how many times she has to say no before she gets tired of saying it.'

Kaige says, 'No.. I'm saying that when someone repeatedly breaks the rules, and shows no signs of learning from it, well, we've tried and we've got more people out there to let have a good time instead of babysitting a few problem ones.'

Kaige says, 'Site ban isn't something we do lightly.'

Fuego says, annoyed by something, 'He repeatedly broke the rules 2 years ago!'

'And had logged on and started the same behaviour again since then,' Kaige says.

Kaige says, 'Which he even said was probably a stupid thing to do..'

Zalbag says, 'He was calm during that week from my understanding he wasnt that bad.'

'But he shouldnt have logged on :P,' Zalbag says.

Fuego says, looking annoyed, 'Yes, it was a stupid thing to do, but first of all if was my fault, cause i convinced him to, and second of all, he behaved civilized while he was there.'

Fuego says, annoyed, 'Even if he was there when he was not supposed to.'

'Which is a continued flaunting of the rules,' Kaige says.

'Hehe sandra's damn smart i didnt know he was on or ronnie was on until afterwards :p,' Zalbag says.

'Had he logged on or not, you had no intention of ever letting him back,' Fuego says, annoyed by something.

Fuego says, annoyed, 'Im not one to argue for him here about what he did, because i was not always there when he did stupid things... i can however argue that it is bullshit that once banned, he is forever fucked.'

Fuego says, annoyed by something, 'We rarely speak of legend anymore cause he knows that you have no intention of letting him back, but he does tell me that he wants to once again play legend.. nd he has tried to make amenz, but it seems as if there is no such thing as.'fu

Fuego says, annoyed by something, 'As redeeming your errors on legend.'

'It's not like we are denying him the right to drive a car or buy food,' LadyAce says. 'We're denying him the right to come in our house.'

Fuego says, annoyed, to LadyAce, 'I understand that, but as a public mud, why should he not have the ability to prove that he made his mistakes, and that he has paid his dues for it?'

'Because he'd been given that chance before and failed to do so?' Kaige says.

'He had been given the chance as he was a mere immature kid,' Fuego says, annoyed by something.

Fuego says, annoyed, 'Not as he is now... which is completely different.'

'I've heard that story from him several times before, and it's not worth the extra resources to deal with players who bring us the kinds of problems he did,' LadyAce says to Fuego.

Fuego says, annoyed, to LadyAce, 'Is punishment not issued to teach a lesson?'

'In this case, it was to get rid of him,' LadyAce says to Fuego. 'No lesson intended.'

Fuego says, annoyed by something, to LadyAce, 'He was told that when his ban was issued, it was not a permanent ban.'

'I don't recall anyone saying it was temporary,' LadyAce says to Fuego.

'He happens to have an email from kaige saying that it was meant as a temp ban,' Fuego says, annoyed, to LadyAce.'

Kaige says, 'It certainly wasn't referring to the last one.. and originally it probably was meant to be temporary but situations change.'

HP GEAR

Ea! says to Sammael, 'Still working on it.'

Sammael says patiently, 'No rush, just wondered.'

'I've just completely lost interest in this character :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Any chance your discussing getting rid of old hit/dam gear ? :P,' Sammael says patiently.

Signum arrives from the east with a smile on his face.

Signum pokes a stadium chair with a NY logo on it - It's dead, Signum.

'I haven't seen a discussion thread on it, no,' LadyAce says to Sammael.

'Doh,' Sammael says patiently.

'2 seperate pk communities....whee :),' Sammael says patiently.

'Whats wrong with old gear?' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to Sammael.

Signum pokes a stadium chair with a NY logo on it - It's dead, Signum.

Tyrion hugs a silver serrated sword.

Zalbag says, 'Old hp/dam gear should be pulled.'

Sammael says patiently, 'The mud is SUPPOSED to be balanced for new.'

Signum sits down on a stadium chair with a NY logo on it.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Thus old gear is incredibly overpowered.'

Zalbag nods his agreement with Sammael.

Tyrion laughs with amusement.

'Any chance of bringing back old eq?' Julia says honestly.

'Nah the new stuff is just underpowered too much,' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

'Though as it stands my old gear sets me to about normal,' Sammael says patiently.

'Depends,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'The new stuff was put in to balance things out why leave the old things there,' Zalbag says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'If they made say 23 damroll the equivilant of what 44 was before..'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Or whatever.'

LadyAce says to Tyrion, 'I kind of agree with you, yeah.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Then it wouldn't be underpowered.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Its all numbers, you can make it work with anything.'email address as I have since I

'You could use 100 base damroll with 1000 max where herne horns were worth 200,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Because 22 damroll means something,' Ea! says to Sammael. 'It means 22% extra damage.'

'I know,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'But you COULD make any numbers work.'

'We don't want to change that,' Ea! says.

'And um,' Sammael says patiently.

'I don't think 22 hit makes you hit 22% more,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Zalbag says, 'Haha my alt with her great and mighty -1% damage :P.'

'If we poor people can ever hit with 5 attack with our swords,' Tyrion says, rather cocky, to Ea!.

Tyrion peers at himself myopically.

'You hit a lot more then 22% extra,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'You could up the 0 dam?' Julia says honestly. 'So that 22% more is more of something worthwhile?'

'And 30 or 40 is even worse,' Sammael says tolerantly.'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'It gives you an extra 22% in the hittable, I think it is.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I think sometime if you ever get bored ea you should do a test :P.'

'My hitroll and damroll are wierd,' Time says, trying to help.

'Make 0 hit hit a set number of times, make a weapon do set damage, make tumble go off every 3rd time, whatever, set everything to specific numbers and pit people against each other, like dex vs str etc,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says patiently, 'Would be a good way to tell if its the randomness factor of if the numbers just don't work out :).'

'Yea I know its a lot of work,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Thats why I said when you get bored, which is never *cackle*.'

'I have a damroll of 2, and im carrying a katar...' Time says helpfully. 'Is that right? i thought it should be higher than that.'

Ea! nods his agreement with Sammael.

Zalbag says, 'I say we just give people whos names that start with a Z +88% chance to hit and damage and call it quits.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I do think the info you'd get would be very useful though.'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'It's probably too complex to actually be able to do that.'

'Probably,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I think something that would fix this super luck problem is if you set more limits, but I know how against that everyone is,' Sammael says patiently.

'Like if you have 25 hitroll you can't ever hit less then half the times, though they could block some of those half or parry them,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'If you had 25 damroll you couldn't do less then the average of the weapon every attack,' Sammael says tolerantly.having som

'Weird stuff like that,' Sammael says tolerantly.eon

'Only prob if you did that people would equip themselves just to met those thressholds,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, to Sammael.

Milo models her 0 dam, 1 hit.

'But I'm talking about some really screwed up shit,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently to Tyrion, 'It would work off a formula.'

Tyrion looks up into the sky and ponders.

'It's probably easier to just tweak other things until they work out right. ,' Ea! says to Sammael.

'So 18 dam wouldn't be the average, maybe 2 less then the average or something,' Sammael says tolerantly to Tyrion.

Sammael shrugs in response to Ea!'s words.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I'm so fustrated with my strength fighter with 10 hitroll.''

'He's wearing old gear even, but he just can't hit,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'He has 44 damroll and is lucky to obliterate,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I don't think you should be REQUIRED to have high dex to hurt people.'

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to Sammael, 'I know the feeling my str mage has 6 hit roll.'

'Dex people certainly aren't required to have high strength,' Sammael says patiently.

Tyrion rolls his eyes heavenward..

Sammael says patiently, 'Katar rip me with 3 damroll constantly.'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'We recognize the problem and are planning on working on finding a good solution.'

'It sucks, dex needs to be less important!' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

Sammael nods his agreement with Ea!.

Ea! says, 'That's about all I can really say...'

Sammael says tolerantly to Ea!, 'Sorry, I'm just fustrated and you guys never tell us what your working on :P.'

'Right now, I'm working on new code for poisons,' Ea! says to Sammael.

'Hehe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Ooh,' Zalbag says.

Kunnar grins evilly at Ea!.. wonder what he's thinking...

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Poison should be based on the persons con :P.'

''cause I've been doing bug fixes and tweaks for too long, and I wanted to code something new,' Ea! says.

Sammael cheers for Ea! - huzzah!

Milo giggles at Ea!.

Zalbag jumps in the air and slams a thunderous high-5 with Ea!!

'Would be nifty to have stats work into spells like that,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Any chance we can make dip less effective?' Tyrion says, rather cocky, to Ea!. 'Its starting to really annoy me getting blinded with every shot from dipped arrows.'

'Ugh, the dip balance issue,' Sammael says patiently.

'I'm not sure yet how players will be get affected by the new poisons,' Ea! says to Sammael.

Sammael says patiently, 'One fight the sniper dies in 2 wfws, the next he wins and the mage is mad they got blinded :P.'

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, 'I went through 7 clear and bubblies my last pkill fight and still lost beacause I kep getting blinded.'

'Ack :(,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

'Then the next fight I went through 6 more and lost again,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything.

Tyrion sighs at himself. What a sorry sight.

Kunnar comforts Tyrion.

'Again, I bet you were autorushing too,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Usually if the person isn't autorushing I don't blind that much.'

'But with autorush blind is all that gives you a chance sometimes,' Sammael says patiently.

'Since its 100% effective,' Sammael says patiently.

'I wasn't autorushing,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Unless they crash.'

'I was playing my gun using sniper,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful.

'Turn on autorushing,' Sammael says tolerantly to Tyrion.

Sammael says patiently to Tyrion, 'Its way overpowered and you'll kick ass with it :).'

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, to Sammael, 'I'll try but it didnt seem to help much once i did turn it on.'

Fuego thinks autorush rules.

'In a sniper vs sniper fight, if one blinds and the other doesn't, the non blinder is dead,' Sammael says patiently.

'Just the way it works,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Since snipers have no way to do much damage while blind,' Sammael says patiently.

'Unless he runs away,' Kunnar says.

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to Sammael, 'So i've noticed.' 'A mage can just autorush and firestorm everytime you blind them,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Thus doing 80 damage a shot.'

'Their needs to be a wild swing move that allows you to at least find your target if you ran out of clears/bubblies,' Zalbag says. 'Random chance of finding them by swinging your arms around :P.'

LadyAce giggles at Zalbag.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Blinding arrows are a necessary evil.'

'The game has come to make snipers rely on them if they don't have high con,' Sammael says patiently.

Tyrion says, looking amused, 'Or better yet make dip a skill with the same requirements as poison.'

Tyrion snickers softly.

'If they just rip them or make them ineffective, a lot of snipers would be in deep crap,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Make dipping a skill only allowed to certain hometowns maybe?' Zalbag says.

Zalbag says, 'Needed with certain skills too?'

'As a sniper I get so fustrated fighting a mage who wfw's me 4 times in a fight,' Sammael says patiently.

'That would suck eh, screwing over a character class by taking something out?' RogueMoon says, disbelieving.

'And stats too,' Zalbag says.

RogueMoon nods solemnly.

Sammael says patiently, 'If sterling was here, he'd be chuckling I'm sure.'

Zalbag says, 'I also think they need to raise 2nd circle requirements :P.'

'But these are all issues that will never be resolved, because balance is never final :P,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I say let it all go to hell ea and make trees!'

Kunnar cackles gleefully at Sammael - whatever he's going to do to him, glad it's not you!

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, 'Nah just make 2cd circle spells only 75% as good as 3rd circle ones.'

'Or even only 50%,' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

'I don't see 3rd circle mages having many problems,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Unless they are strength.'

Sammael sniffles sadly to himself, since no one else is paying attention.

'But 2nd circle mages are too powerful :P,' Zalbag says.

'Ok, I don't think we're getting anywhere with this one,' LadyAce says. 'Any other questions?'

Sammael says patiently, 'How was your day la.'

Tyrion raises his hand.

RogueMoon raises his hand.

LadyAce points at Tyrion.

Sammael says patiently, 'Sure, don't answer :P.'

'Bush or gore?' Zalbag says to LadyAce.

RogueMoon says incredulously, 'Moot.'

LadyAce says, 'Probably Gore.'

'Either,' RogueMoon says incredulously.

'Hehe she answered mine :P,' Zalbag says.

Zalbag taunts Sammael mercilessly.

'Fine :P,' LadyAce says to Sammael.

'Doh,' Zalbag says.

'Most imms I've talked to are gore, hehe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Zalbag snaps his fingers. ATTITUDE!

'Its a conspiracy,' Sammael says tolerantly.

XP & Mob Balance

'Its harder for them,' Sammael says tolerantly to Tyrion.

'Thats correct,' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

'Actually, you know what could be really cool,' Sammael says patiently.

'Yes I know but the max should be a max for all,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, to Sammael.

'The idea is that you get rewarded for challenges, up to a certain limit,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

'If you added a special level or flag, like made a mob level 51, bumping all the imms higher,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia says honestly, 'Yeah, if my level 40 kills a big 50 mob, they should get more xp than if they were 50.'

'And ONLY level 50's could kill a 51,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Give 50's something nifty to look forward to or something,' Sammael says patiently.

'I know which means lvl 50 mobs need be worth more for lvl 50 killing em,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, to LadyAce.

'So I dont get so damn mad when i get less at 50 then I did at 49,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything.

'Level 51 mobs should be big ass mobs like vlad, erin,etc..' Zalbag says.

'Yea,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'That only 50's can hit that are worth good good xp,' Sammael says patiently.

'It shouldn't be too huge a difference between 49 and 50,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

Milo says, in a soft tone, 'More xp for high level mobs might promote group interaction.'

'Its not but it still really annoys me,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to LadyAce.

'We give a grouping bonus up to 10 people in a group,' LadyAce says to Milo.

'I don't know if its possible but maybe you could make this "magical" level 51 mob's xp only obtainable vya 50's or higher, and then make places like sl and pd all 51's,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Or only obtainable by like level 25 or above.'

Sammael says patiently, 'So people don't level from 1 to 10 in a pd run.'

RogueMoon shakes his head.

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to LadyAce, 'And why are we rewarding low levels for being foolish anyways?'

'That is kinda wack,' Time says helpfully.

'Making SL and PD that way would suck,' RogueMoon says incredulously.

'That means you have to be level 50 to hit,' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

'Sl and pd shouldn't be newbie leveling arenas,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'They should promote high level grouping, since a level 50 has nothing else to do.'

RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief, 'Thats true samm.'

Time says helpfully, 'But they are.'

'I agree that they shouldn't be so safe for newbies,' LadyAce says.

'SL,' RogueMoon says incredulously.

'I don't think AT is all that safe for newbies, for example :),' LadyAce says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Make sl and pd level 50s can hit only, but a level 25 healer could group and still get xp.'

RogueMoon says incredulously, 'The number of people who try to go without friendship boggles me.'

'I just think the xp cap for killing a mob should be whats its worth for a character the same lvl as the mob gets for killing it,' Tyrion says, rather cocky, to LadyAce.

'No, high level healers need work,' Milo says in a tranquil voice.

'Make them have a level req to enter?' Julia says, speaking truthfully. 'Either a level or skill req (eq recallers, healers can go in, or you have to be a certain level).'

'Well we had a hell thing where only level 25 plus could go in i dont see why we couldnt make pd and sl the same way,' Brown1Guest says.

Brown1Guest shrugs philosophically.

LadyAce says, 'I would far rather see us do it with game design than just putting in a hard limit.'

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

'Make it riskier, not just flat impossible,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says patiently, 'Its not that big of a problem anyway.'

RogueMoon shrugs helplessly.

Signum nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I'd just rather see 50's get a "special" mobs that only they can hit that are worth better xp, cuz I think 50's have nothing over a 49 right now.'

'Nah the problem is mob killing sucks cause the xp for it at high levels sucks,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything.

Sammael says patiently, 'In a way, the 49 has more over the 50, they have something to look forward to other then 25 mil for 2 coupons.'

'Well i miss the fact of what the inferno requirements were to get in, so seeing another similar requirement would be nice,' Brown1Guest says to LadyAce.

'I think it drags the whole group down when it is a 'risk' making it virtually impossible for level 30 and under to go, would make sense,' RogueMoon says incredulously.

RogueMoon shrugs helplessly.

Milo says, in a soft tone, 'What about skills that have a level 50 requirement?'

'I'd like to see if harder for leeches in PD and SL,' Ea! says. 'Riskier.'

'They'd never do it,' Sammael says patiently.

'When I have to CR someone who tried to go IN sl without friendship it drags the group,' RogueMoon says, disbelieving.

RogueMoon says incredulously, 'If you know what i mean.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Some crap about 50 being too powerful.'

Ea! says, 'What I'd *really* like to do is make rescue only work if you're not already fighting....'

Sammael says patiently, 'Which is a load of crap :P.'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Zalbag.

RogueMoon says, disbelieving, 'They are doing great.'

'But then people'd need to get a totally new set of tactics for combat,' Ea! says.

Sammael says tolerantly, '50's should be powerful.'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

'I tend to miss the role the inferno served, not every trait about it,' LadyAce says to Brown1Guest. 'I wasn't fond of the 25+ limit in and of itself.'

Julia says honestly, 'I rarely play my 50's.'

Zalbag says, 'That would screw over level 40 people in PK :P.'

LadyAce says, 'Sorry if I'm not responding to all your comments, guys, but they're coming in a bit fast.'

'Over a dozen alts, and not one redeem among them,' Julia says honestly. 'Too boring.'

'I think a level 50 should be noticably better then a 45 or a 46 or whatever,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'But 50 is better then 49 the same way 7 is better then 8...' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Low-levels can't deal with those areas alone, anyway,' Signum says cheerfully. 'What if high-levels took some penalty for losing low-levels in dangerous areas?'

RogueMoon says incredulously to Sammael, 'I used to be able to have a solo session on barney, now he will tune the crap outta me.'

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'I think it's a lot of extra work without a lot of gain to emphasize a single level like that.'

Zalbag says, '5 hitroll 5 damroll bonus!'

'I think 50 should be better then 49 the way 35 is better then 34,' Sammael says patiently.

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Its the maximum.'

'Having to go back and save them is a pretty good penalty in my experience :),' LadyAce says to Signum.

'I hate to make comparisons to other games...' Sammael says tolerantly.

'If i may say so, i think the pretitle should be attainable at level 50 at 30mil xp so it is easier to get it as well as a reason to xp after 50,' Brown1Guest says.

'But like ad&d you get some really nifty stuff at HIGH levels,' Sammael says patiently.

'Yea, there should be something that makes 50 the special level, other than just it being levelk 50,' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'We don't here.'

Signum smiles at LadyAce.

'I find very small amount of players actually trying for 50mil and higher,' Brown1Guest says.

Milo nods her agreement with RogueMoon.

'I agree that there should be something, but I'm not convinced of the mob thing,' LadyAce says to Sammael.

'My monk hit level 20, 21 being max, and was immune to normal weapons,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'I don't expect it to be that drastic...it just gives you something to look foward to and to make you a better fighter.'

'We need life after lvl 50,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful.

Milo thinks more high level fightskills.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'You should progressively get better at everything you do.'

'Just trying to think of ways to discourage that kind of run without hard limits :),' Signum says, eyes twinkling.

'Not just hp and mana after 35,' Sammael says patiently.

'There's actually a plan for making mobs that are fightable and higher levels,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Which is how it works now.'

'Putting the pretitle down to 30mil and not costing a 25mil redeem point would be awesome,' Brown1Guest says.

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

Tyrion says, bored, 'Oo I made level 50, archive time...'

LadyAce says, 'And a plan for new skills, of course.'

'The more you do something, the more you would become adept at it,' RogueMoon says, disbelieving.

LadyAce says, 'But y'all know how overidea'd we are at the moment.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'You hit 35 and you've maxed yourself out.'

'That way you can still get your coupons etc for the redeem at 50mil,' Brown1Guest says.

Milo says in a tranquil voice to LadyAce, 'I know, skilltrees.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'The whole idea behind experience is you get better...'

Brown1Guest says, 'If anyone is actually listening to the guest :P.'

'You cant ever be over idea'd,' RogueMoon says, disbelieving.

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Brown1Guest.

'I just throw tons and tons of ideas out and hope that a scrap of one is used ever :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

RogueMoon says, disbelieving, 'You just have to have that big brainstorming sheet and rule out the stuff that doesnt jive.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Hehe, my final idea of the night.'

'Well...I think you can,' LadyAce says to RogueMoon. 'It can be pretty frustrating to have tons of ideas and not enough resources.'

'Thing is once I've passed 35 I can kill a 20K xp mob, or kill several 15K xp mobs for less effort,' Julia says, speaking truthfully. 'Why bother killing big mobs? Why bother to be 50?'

'Release the code so people who have the ideas and the energy to do something about it can make nifty legendrelated muds with cool differences :P,' Sammael says patiently.

'I can make more xp in a run at level 35 than I can at any other level,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything.

'Bla bla bla its not stable,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says to Julia, 'We would rather having you kill mobs your own level, but unfortunately a lot of non-50th level mobs are dull.'

'Whatever :P,' Sammael says patiently.

'Mobs your own level have to have a chance of kicking your ass and being worth xp,' Sammael says tolerantly to LadyAce.

'But there's no point to killing 50 mobs,' Julia says honestly. 'They're not worth the xp.'

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, 'Amem.'

'An eland to a level 38 should take you to 1/4th your hp and be worth a 10th of your level,' Sammael says patiently to LadyAce.

'Amen even,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful.

'Or something to that extent,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'The idea is to have them worth it when they're the same level as you or a little above you,' LadyAce says to Julia. 'Not tons above you.'

'So I can solo a mob for 70K?' Julia says honestly. 'Or I could solo a lot more xp in smaller mobs.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Not you kill 8 of them with half your hp left and you got 300k/700k to level.'

Tyrion says, rather cocky, 'The problem with the current system is it favour quantity over quality.'

'The most fun thing about the old xp system was not that you leveled so fast,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Whihc makes it horribly boring,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful.

Sammael says patiently, 'I remember looking forward to hitting level 15 so I could solo a captain, which was like level 45.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'He would beat my ass everytime, half the time I'd die or fail to finish him, but the other half I'd win and get like a third of xp.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Then sleep for ages :P.'

LadyAce says to Tyrion, 'I think the trouble is that a lot of the mobs need revision.'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with LadyAce.

'I second that motion,' RogueMoon says incredulously.

'A larger proportion of them should be more interesting to fight, and reward for that difficulty,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'But I wouldn't worry guys, this is far from the only game with senseless boring killing.'

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to LadyAce, 'I think that we need to make level mobs on average worth a good 50% more than they are atm.'

RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief, 'The eq changes have also made it harder for us 50's.'

Good Area for 40-50? & More Mob Balance

Tyrion nods his agreement with RogueMoon.

Time says helpfully, 'Im having trouble finding mobs to kill in my level range.'

'Pd,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Thats where everyone goes now,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Time says helpfully, 'By myself?'

'Too much downgrades and not enough upgrades,' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

'From level 1 to 2 the mobs double in xp,' Julia says honestly. 'At level 49 to 50 it's like a 20th xp difference between mobs.'the

'Which of course means PD is unblanced,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to Sammael.

'Duh tyrion :P,' Sammael says patiently.

'I've been to pd like 3 times every with all my alts combined,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'That is the weakest level range we have right now.. but there are 152 different ones out there. =) ,' Kaige says to Time.

Sammael says patiently, 'I loathe that place.'

'After about what lvl 5 or 6 the mobs go up a flat 400xp per level the get higher,' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

Tyrion wrinkles his nose distastefully.

'To me it means we've got some work to do so that other parts of the mud are as attractive as PD,' LadyAce says.

Julia nods her agreement with Tyrion.

'I think with the eq changes, many mobs have become MUCH harder for me, and lots of others who I have talked to, maybe not anyone here presently, but overall I notice quite a large difference,' RogueMoon says, disbelieving.

'What PD really has going for it is density,' LadyAce says.

'Sorta,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'152 mobs?' Time says helpfully. 'Or 152 difficult level ranges?'

'I have even thought sometimes that the mobs have been tweaked to make harder,' RogueMoon says incredulously.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'The mobs are just more bang for your buck.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I enjoy killing klien.'

Sammael says patiently, 'But klien guards sometimes hit as hard as pirates.'

'And aren't worth near as much,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael shrugs helplessly.

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'Yeah, pirates should be meaner :P.'

'Too much eq dam in klein,' Julia says, speaking truthfully.

Kaige says, 'Actually the overall density there is kinda low.. but it has a high concentration of mobs of the same level all in one area.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I love klien, its my solo headquarters, well, surgeon solo.'

Sammael says patiently, 'But compared to pd or sl...its no wonder they all do those.'

Brown1Guest says to LadyAce, 'And a certain item has made pd too easy and doable with 3-4 players.'

RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief, 'It doesnt make sense that the guards hit harder than the shopkeepers for less xp.'

RogueMoon shrugs helplessly.

Milo keeps dying in klein.

LadyAce says to RogueMoon, 'It's not all about xp yanno.'

'Not to mention some GOOD areas were ruined,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Like casablanca,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'Thanks flagg *grumble*.'

Tyrion nods his agreement with Sammael.

RogueMoon says, disbelieving, to LadyAce, 'Oh, definitely not.'

RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief, to LadyAce, 'It is all about how much fun you have killing and gaining the xp.'

Brown1Guest says to Kaige, 'Did you see anything about redeem i mentioned?'

'Yeah...I'm sad to see my casablanca changes reversed,' LadyAce says.

'There has to be a certain risk to xp factor,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Unfortunatly thats a VERy hard formula to find,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'And 99 times out of 100 your going to be over on one,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige nods her agreement with Brown1Guest.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I just know the most fun I ever had xping here was probably either my dex mages vs the lion in the old xp system or the old fight/xp system vs captains with my level 15 characters.'

'Is that probable or?' Brown1Guest says to Kaige.

Kaige says to Brown1Guest, 'Dunno.. been kinda distracted.'

Brown1Guest snickers softly.

Sammael says patiently, 'Not to mention it felt so much more good to get a million xp in one heal then 300k.'

'The numbers playing tricks with your head,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says, 'I think boston/salem/canada can be good for a small high-level group.'

LadyAce says, 'But Casablanca is missed.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I don't know.'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with LadyAce.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I personally miss soloable mobs.'

Brown1Guest says to Kaige, 'Basically seeing pretitles given away at level 50 at 30 mil xp and keep the other redeems the way they are maybe like 50mil you can change your pretitle.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Seems like everything has to be bigger and badder these days.'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says patiently, 'Whats wrong with an average joe shmoe...I don't know.'

'*nod* I'm logging, so I didn't miss it completely,' Kaige says to Brown1Guest.

'Then there would be too many pretitles,' Milo says in a tranquil voice. 'Should make a seepretitle config.'

'You complain about the average joe shmoe :P,' LadyAce says to Sammael.

Brown1Guest nods his agreement with Kaige.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I don't KNOW any joe shmoes.'

'Honest to god,' Sammael says tolerantly.

RogueMoon throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

'Interesting, but not *too* interesting :P,' LadyAce says.

'There is not one mob in the game I could consider killing for fun/xp solo,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'The average level 50 joe shmoe should be worth more xp,' Julia says honestly.

RogueMoon says incredulously, 'I think what he means is there should be an equal amount of easily soloable mobs to not so easily soloable mobs.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'An example of a joe schoe once upon a time would have been southland.'

'Then you made him snipe people,' Sammael says patiently.

'Now he headbutts you if you flee and reenter,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'And he's still worth joe schmoe xp,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Thats exactly what I'm talking about,' Sammael says tolerantly.

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

Tyrion nods his agreement with Sammael.

'Mobs get better and the xp for em goes down, or stays the same,' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Mobs that were once fun to just kill by yourself now required 4 healers and a cannon for the same xp :P.'

'And he's still killed 20% of the time at least by someone lower than joe average level 50,' Kaige says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Dunno kaige.'

'You seen how many people die to southland these days?' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia says honestly, 'But soloable for one char is different to soloable for another.'

Sammael says patiently, 'He is hard.'

Kaige nods her agreement with Julia.

'Not to mention the horrible rationalization 'it has good eq so it has low xp',' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

'He is no longer a joe schmoe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'True,' Kaige says to Julia.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I agree with the soloable by some char types.'

'I can't say I like that one either, but I understand it,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Let me rephrase.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I can still find soloable mage mobs.'

'He's also worth more than average xp too,' Kaige says. 'Not heaps and heaps.. but more than average.'

'I.e,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'Any mob with low mind.'

'And people will no longer get free diamonds for newbies,' Milo says softly.

'Name a high level mob with low con or strength or dex,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia says honestly, 'I start soloing level 50 mobs at around level 25, as soon as I can make homunculi.'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I can go wfw the elephant or the mugger and kick their ass fairly easily with al ittle luck.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I don't know any mob I can headbutt with certainty and get good xp.'

Tyrion nods his agreement with Sammael.

RogueMoon says, disbelieving, 'There is a unbalance for the char types, seems the only chars who can do well nowadays are dexy mage types who can stun and BS.'

'But thats a REALLY old problem :P,' Sammael says patiently.

Milo spends half her time staggered.'

'Level 25 its higbald, around level 27 its cian, for his bracelet... then it's on the 70K mobs,' Julia says, speaking truthfully.

'Just seems like mobkill is like pk now, with shit xp,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I can think of one.. that has low str and low con...' Kaige says.

'The mobs are incresingly harder to kill with lower and lower xp,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Tyrion says with a chuckle to you, 'One of how many mobs?'

'Wasn't the one I was thinking of.. but there is at least one out there. =),' Kaige says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'For example, I would be surprised if craven could make 150k solo in one heal.'

'And then he sleeps for 30 min to heal,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige says to Tyrion, 'At least 346, but that's just one random statting...'

'I can think of at least a dozen lev 50 mobs with low stats,' LadyAce says.

'On the other hand mandarb could, with a little luck, make 300k probably in one heal,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Now the real question ladyace.'

'But it does take some looking to figure out which are which,' LadyAce says.

Judge Skill & More Mob Balance

Kaige says, 'The judge skill?'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Judge tells you mind?'

'It doesn't tell you dex or con,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige says, 'The id person spell?'

'It tells strength,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Again only mages can use,' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'More armored doesn't qualify for dex and more hp doesn't qualify for con.'

'Since mobs aren't on a scale like we are,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'That's a good point,' LadyAce says to Sammael.

'A mob could have 4 hp and have 900 con,' Sammael says tolerantly.

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

'Or vice versa,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says, 'I think an identify person scroll might be cool to have out there.'

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, 'I always find it depressing to get a mob much smater than me when I have 100 mind.'

RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief, 'Only way to find out is trial and error.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I think judge should just be made more useful.'

'Well they can't have 900 con.. but...' Kaige says.

Kaige chuckles politely.

'And each different time you fight a mob, its a different fight,' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

Sammael says patiently, 'Honestly, who learns judge?'

LadyAce nods her agreement with RogueMoon.

'I think judge was a pk skill,' RogueMoon says incredulously.

Kaige says, 'Currently 10 people on know judge.. and 9 qualify to use it.'

'And if you do learn it, how often do you actually use it,' Sammael says tolerantly.'

'Used to judge and see if the person was way tougher than you, or a fair match,' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

'That I can't currently tell you,' Kaige says.

RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief, 'I think its use has been pushed to the back burner.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Well I'm asking you imms in general who mort.'

'Do you use judge?' Sammael says patiently.

'Very very rarely I'll use id person,' Sammael says patiently.

Milo says, in a soft tone, 'I used it all the time with my first char.'

Sammael says patiently, 'So I'll know if I can stun them or not.'

LadyAce says, 'No, but I have a different style than you do.'

'And if you don't use it, are there times where it would have been useful, but you never use it because you're not used to?' Ea! says to Sammael.

Brown1Guest says, 'I have never used judge other than in pk a few times.'

Sammael says patiently to Ea!, 'Possibly, but it doesn't tell you anything thats very useful.'

'Hehe I use ID person when I'm exploring new areas and thats about it,' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

LadyAce says, 'I always group, and I have a set of group tactics, rather than mob-specific ones.'

'It tells you A,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'If they have more hp.'

'B,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'If they have more mind.'

'C,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'If they have more armor.'

'D,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'What align they are.'

'E,' Sammael says tolerantly. 'It cons them.'

'Anything I missed?' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I think it shows strength based on yours,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Would be cooler if it was more like doors.'

Julia says honestly, 'I used it on my first char - with subsequent chars I had an idea of what I could kill and didn't bother.'

RogueMoon stands up.

Milo nods her agreement with Julia.

Sammael says tolerantly, '"They look like they could pick up almost anything!"'

'Could mean like 90-100 str,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Instead of, they look a lot stronger then you,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige says, 'You mean it's bad to have to know what your own strength is?'

'No,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I don't know,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I can't think of a place that would be a good one to gear toward lev 50 soloers...' LadyAce says.

LadyAce looks up into the sky and ponders.

'I just wish judge would tell dex/con if you say mobs out there have less then 100,' Sammael says patiently.

RogueMoon says, disbelieving, 'Ok, Judge tells you str, dex, armor, and if they are wounded.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Half that shit from judge you can find alternatively.'

'Look, glance, con, know alignment,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige says, 'Umm.. I just judged Big jim and I got a dex message...'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Did you get an ARMOR message or dex message?'

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Kaige.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Very different thing.''

'I said it did,' RogueMoon says, disbelieving.

'It says he is about as agile as you,' RogueMoon says, jaw dropping in disbelief.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Fine.'

Julia says, speaking truthfully, 'Extremely agile, I think?'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'So what about con.'

'And maybe you could hint at skills they have like tumble or backstab,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Fuego says, annoyed, 'I choked him out like 10 times... how could he be dex?'

Zalbag says, 'So and so looks like he he can withstand a semi running into him :P.'

Sammael says tolerantly, '"They look like they'd backstab you at a moments notice" "They look like they could be in the circus!"'

'Strength, dex, arrmor, relative hp and current shape, and that he's heardy enough to take on more than one opponent and align,' Kaige says.

RogueMoon says, disbelieving, 'Do mobs have stats tho?'

'Of course mobs have stats,' Kaige says.

'Though the real issue isn't judge,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Its mobs that aren't immune to everything :P,' Sammael says patiently.

'As for a "soloable" area...' Sammael says tolerantly.

'It is too irregular, ex, I fight abbot suger,' RogueMoon says incredulously. 'He obviously isnt very dexy guy, prolly got high con, high str, high mind. I do choke flees, and I land one of ten.'

'I think you should fix paris, the mobs there are incredibly hard for the level/xp they give, but thats the 30's,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Is there a set formula for determing mob xp or is it at the builders discretion?' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

'Croaker totally ruined it,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I'm sorry if that offends any of you, but he did.'

Tyrion nods his agreement with Sammael.

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to Sammael, 'He did.'

'I used to xp there sometimes and now...' Sammael says tolerantly.

'There's a formula for the "nondescript" mob, but it's discretion after that,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

RogueMoon nods his agreement with Sammael.

'A mob worth 10k will take you from full to half,' Sammael says tolerantly.

RogueMoon says, disbelieving, 'Same.'

'Was good xp, not overly hard,' RogueMoon says, disbelieving.

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, to LadyAce, 'Thats probably part of the problem then, needs to be a formula for it like rent on items and stuff.'

'Actually ladyace...' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says to Tyrion, 'There's not really a way to write a formula like that.'

'A nice area to make some high level soloable mobs could be wwI,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Who goes there.'

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, to LadyAce, 'Sure there is.'

'Ever since pirates were destroyed its worthless,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, 'There aren't that many variables.'

'Way too many variables and judgement calls involved,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

'And the "soloable" level 50 mobs don't have to be like klien or pd, in neat little rows,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'You could just randomly make them,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Like maybe doctor le'cheir,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Then southland,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Then the sultan in agrabah,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Etc,' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce says to Tyrion, 'There's probably 100 different factors to consider.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I wouldn't mind having to move around to get xp solo.'

'Might make it more interesting,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Well then its be a fancy formula!' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, to LadyAce.

Tyrion giggles.

'Don't you guys have a "stock" level 50 mob?' Sammael says tolerantly.

'It's inevitably a judgement call,' LadyAce says to Tyrion.

'Guess I'll have to make a formula when I become a builder then,' Tyrion says, looking amused.

Tyrion giggles.

Kaige nods her agreement with Sammael.

'Yeah, we do,' LadyAce says.

LadyAce has created a level fifty mob!

'So make the stock level 50 mob a soloable mob,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce pets a level fifty mob lovingly.

Zalbag laughs with amusement.

'Instead of some insane bad ass,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'It's pretty joe shmoe,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Will he beat my ass?'

'If you want, I'll put up a testmud and you can fight him,' LadyAce says.

'I doubt it,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says patiently, 'You can't use any spells/skills here so I can't even judge him.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Will he be WORTH anything :P.'

'20k,' LadyAce says.

'6 100's?' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce says, 'Yeah.'

'Does he have specials?' Julia says honestly.

'A major flaw with legend :),' Sammael says tolerantly.

'No,' LadyAce says.

Fuego nods his agreement with Sammael.

LadyAce says, 'No specials.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'All 100's give mages a huge advantage.'

'Because we have spells that don't look at the castors stats,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says, 'I agree that straight 100s isn't good on stock mobs.'

'Hmm he should be worth more xp then he's got more than the maxc mortal possible stats of 349,' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

Sammael says patiently, 'Whereas a fighter or sniper has none.'

Sammael says patiently, 'If I gust for example, a stock level 50 with all 100's isn't going to ever dodge or take less damage.'

'But he's not really very hard, even with the 50s,' LadyAce says.

RogueMoon thanks Sammael heartily.

Kaige says, 'Yeah., but he doesn't have brains like you all do.'

Sammael says patiently, 'On the other hand he'll dodge, on average, half of all specials.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'From a fighter or sniper.'

RogueMoon bows before Sammael.

RogueMoon waves happily.

'He does 1d9+10 each round,' LadyAce says. 'How much do you do? :P.'

Sammael says patiently, 'And some specials.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Like backstab, are VERY heavily needed.'

Tyrion says, rather cocky, to Kaige, 'Yeah but typing kick every two rounds dont take much brains :-).'

Sammael says patiently, 'How many hp does he have?'

A level fifty mob reports: 420/420 hp 547/547 mana 413/413 mv.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Ouch.'

'Well, maybe your strategy needs improving,' Ea! says to Tyrion..

'He's right though Ea!,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'As a sniper, what else can you do if it dodges your bs?' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Shoot?' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says to Ea!, 'We could use more skills to develop strategies with :P.'

Tyrion says, rather cocky, to Ea!, 'Most likely.'

'100 perc shots miss tons anyway,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'As for how much damage I do ladyace,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I don't know,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'With my stats, and him not having tons of dex skills which destroys strength...'

LadyAce says, 'What's maxdam on your weapon?'

'I'd guess, if I hit a bash, I'd do like 70-100,' Sammael says patiently.

'Also depends on his ac and shit,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'And how many hits per round do you have?' LadyAce says.

'And if I roll 3's on my weapon hits,' Sammael says patiently.

'5,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says, 'Maxdam is?'

'18,' Sammael says patiently.

'So you do 5d18,' LadyAce says.

'Like I said, it all depends on tons of factors,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'It's damage depends on hitting, too,' Ea! says to Sammael.

'Plus 49 damroll,' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce says, '5d18 + 5d18/2.'

Sammael says patiently, 'But its damage isn't NEARLY as random.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'It gets a 10 or a 19.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I get a 10-127.'

Ea! says, 'Or something in between.'

LadyAce says, '1d9+10 means 11-19/round.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Which is why I'd like to see minimums.'

'1 die with 9 sides,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Yea.'

'Right, and you have the ability to adjust your wary,' Ea! says. 'You can flee at different levels depending on how the fight's going. You can call in help from friends.'

'I couldn't remember what it was,' Sammael says patiently.

Ea! points at a level fifty mob.

'She can't,' Ea! says.

The 9 sided die spins from Tyrion's hand, landing with the 2 on top.

'Was thinking it was 1d9+10,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'I do not have the ability to adjust my wary.'

'I cannot flee,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Me and dune were discussing something,' Sammael says patiently.

'And I just want to throw this out, though I'm sure you realize this,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'You might not have as high of a success rate as you'd like, but you can do it,' Ea! says to Sammael.

'There is one reason this is currently "dex" mud,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'Dex has the most benefits, and is the hardest to stop.'

'For example,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'You can gain like 2 things from strength.'

'Weight capacity and damroll,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'The ability to hold bigger weapons I guess, but it all comes down to damage,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Con gets hp and the ability to for whatever reason hit pretty hard on stuns, though I don't think thats intended :).'

Tyrion chuckles politely.

Sammael says patiently, 'Dex gets backstab, tumble, parry, flee, hitroll.'

'Oh lets not forget ac,' Sammael says patiently.

'And dodge,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Basicly so many things rely on dex,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Dex rocks because it determines the 3 most important things,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything.

'That its the dominate stat,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, 'Hittting, avoiding getting hit and tumble.'

LadyAce nods solemnly.

'Tumble alone can totally nullify a strength fighter,' Sammael says tolerantly.query tumble

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Dodge all his bashes and I can almost guarentee you'll outank a strength fighter.'

Time says helpfully, 'I dont tumble that much....'

'Well, but then again, if you look at the number of places that perc is looked at, you'd think it was 2nd in importance,' Ea! says to Sammael. 'But it's clearly not.'

'Because strength hits for shit while standing against a standing foe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Not to mention kick is the perfect no risk special,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Because perc isn't needed in as IMPORTANT of things.'

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, 'The worst that happens is a miss.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Perc gives me what, 1 hitroll every 10?'

'Backstab,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Oh but lets not forget,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Ea! says to Sammael, 'It's used in what, half of the things you just attributed to dex?'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Dex is more important in dodging and hitting a bs then perc.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Tyrion.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Which I feel is wrong but shrug.'

'I also dont doge very much,' Time says, trying to help.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'My point is this.'

'Maybe 90 is low a dex to have...' Time says helpfully.

'If you stuck a 100 dex 40 con/spirit/mind/strength/ perc char vs the same with 100 str or 100 con...' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Right, but by your theory here, perc would be second most important,' Ea! says to Sammael. 'But it's not. So your theory isn't perfect.'

Sammael says patiently, 'The dex would win the most.'

Sammael says patiently, 'I can almost guarentee it.'

'I've tried playing str, don't like it,' Julia says, speaking truthfully. 'Too many misses. My first pref is dex, then con.'

Kaige says to Time, 'With your stats, how do you see them to dodge them?'

'Seems like im pretty much screwed as a solo fighter, or in pk, because i tried to round out my char,' Time says helpfully.

'You attack 5 times and hit once,' Julia says, speaking truthfully.

Julia shudders.

'True..' Time says helpfully to Kaige.

Ea! says, 'I'm not saying that dex isn't used more than it should be in the fight system, I'm just saying that the fact that it's used a lot is taken into consideration in headbutt's formula and all throughout the code.'

Sammael says patiently, 'That strength fighter will have what, 4 hitroll and 23 damroll.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'The con will have 4 hitroll and 3 damroll.'

'The dex will have 23 hit and 3 damroll,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Time says helpfully, 'I still think 30 perc, you should doge more than i do..'

'Where a dex or con (light staff, say), can miss 4 times, and still hit over half the time,' Julia says honestly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'The dex can tumble the headbutts and bashes and dodge the elbows.'

'They can backstab and kick,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I have 22 hit and 2 dam,' Time says helpfully.

Sammael says patiently, 'The strength has no skill the dex can't dodge.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'And even if it DOES hit a bash, it has 4 hitroll.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'So its damage will be jack.'

'Because the dex will be parrying/dodging/blocking constantly,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'And you'll only hit 2 or 3 times anyway,' Sammael says tolerantly.)

'Of course, parry isn't all dex based,' Ea! says.

'I dont parry much either...' Time says helpfully.

'I need to up my perc...' Time says, trying to help.

'The con will have the same problem as strength except it has more hp to fight with,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'A con might win if it can stagger a few times,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says patiently, 'But in all actuallity I'd still bet on the dex.'

'With 4 hit and 3 dam, its headbutts aren't going to be very scary,' Sammael says tolerantly.ww.l

'And more attacks per round, there aren't a lot of 18kg con weapons,' Julia says, speaking truthfully.

'He'd kick the others to death,' Tyrion says, rather cocky.

Ea! says, 'Parry has more to do with which weapons are used than it does dex, unless your dex really sucks.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'More attacks per round, right.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'They'll hit 4/12 instead of 2/5.'

'If they are lucky,' Sammael says patiently.

Ea! says, 'As I said, I'm not disagreeing with the fact that dex gets more than it's fair share -- but it gets used a little bit in a lot of places instead of a lot in a few places.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I guess my problem is that 0 hitroll should be the basis....its the "norm"'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Why does it suck so bad :P.'

'Because you're attacking people with better than 0 ac, probably,' Ea! says to Sammael.

Sammael says patiently, 'You need to take that into coding consideration.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'NOONE at level 50 has 0 ac.'average of all the chars

'It doesn't make sense to code hitroll to assume people do,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Your setting hitroll up to fail.'

Ea! says to Sammael, 'Well, I'm not sure it is coded that way.'

'I have one...ONE character with less then 50 ac,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I coded that, like, what, 3 years ago now?' Ea! says.

Kaige says, 'Hmm... average of all the chars online.. the average hitroll is +15 and daroll is +14... dunno if is that's an average of 0... average AC is...-24.'

'He has like 49,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige says, 'That's an average level of 33 too.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'But thats taking newbies into consideration.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Newbies have crappier ac.'

'Can you do that test with level 50's only?' Sammael says tolerantly.

'We I'm raising the average!' Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful.

Kaige looks up into the sky and ponders.

Tyrion pats himself on the head - wonder if he can rub his belly too?

Tyrion laughs with amusement.

'Shit, I have -51 ac right now, without my 30 ac spell and missing 2 items and damaged gear,' Sammael says patiently.

'Fully tformed and equped with my spell I have -95 I think,' Sammael says tolerantly.' not easily.

'With my 40 dex,' Sammael says tolerantly.it'll take me a minute to find it tho

You say, 'Oh wait.. it'll take me a minute to find it tho.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'As for damroll/hitroll, again, newbies.'

'And now the combination of old/hit gear,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Try 40+, most people are nearly fully equipped by then,' Julia says, speaking truthfully.

Sammael says patiently, 'Old/new hit/dam I should say.'

'Anyway, we know that hitroll is a bit overpowered and dex gets taken into consideration too much in the fight system,' Ea! says. 'Both of those things are on our todo list to look into.'hit _

'Heh I get +4 hit and +12 damage from old gear atm,' Tyrion says, confident to take on anything.err +19

'Alright, I'm just bringing it up :),' Sammael says tolerantly.

'For level 50.. +20 hit _19 dam.. err +19 that is..' Kaige says.

'Ac?' Sammael says patiently.

Kaige says, 'Don't have AC in that listing...'

'Damn,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I would bet its over -50.'

Time says, trying to help, 'I think damroll is underpowered :).'

Sammael says patiently, 'Unless there are a lot of level 50 surgeons and augmenters on.'

Time says helpfully, 'And it didnt go up with any of my fencing skills. only the hit did...'

'Thats another weird thing,' Sammael says patiently.

'Why does dex hit the hardest on standing characters with low damroll?' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Craven with 3 damroll can consistantly obliterate/decimate on a standing opponant,' Sammael says patiently.

'I have 49 damroll and feel good to obliterate a standing opponant,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Tyrion says, confident to take on anything, 'Better chance of hitting result in more hits, thus more damage?'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Craven has 33 hit, I have 28.'

'Damn wish i could do that,' Time says, trying to help.

'Strength by far does the most damage on stunned and sitting,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says patiently, 'But standing its dex hands down...'

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, 'Str always seem to have trouble hitting moving things.'

'But then again its always been like that, I just wondered why,' Sammael says patiently.

'Well, that's because it's easier to hit while they're stunned/sitting so the damroll will come into play more often,' Ea! says to Sammael. 'It's harder to hit standing people, so dex will do better since they hit better.'

'Its the weapon weight ...' Julia says, speaking truthfully. 'If you fail 1/3rd of your hits ... you hit around 3/5 str, and 8/12 dex. More hits = more dam.'

Tyrion says, rather cocky, 'Though in the last fight I got into I decimated every round.'

Sammael says patiently to Ea!, 'I don't want you to be offended or anything, I'm just bringing up issues that I think of :).'

'Well,' Sammael says patiently.

'Then dex assist you in hitting in other ways then hitroll,' Sammael says tolerantly.

LadyAce says, 'Dex is more consistent, less susceptible to the dodging that can happen when standing.'

Ea! nods his agreement with Sammael.

'Because 100 dex with 30 hit and 40 dex with 30 hit is not the same,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Yes, it does,' Ea! says.mexic

LadyAce says, 'Less avoidance is possible on the ground.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Hehe, okay, now that I've pissed everyone off....I suggest one last thing.'

'Priority shouldn't exist,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Straussy chuckles politely.

'We both hit at the same time,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige isn't pissed off.. .just headachey.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'If we both get a killing blow, we both die.'

'It happens :),' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I'm not mad, I just stagger under the weight of things to do around here :P and RogueMoon says we can't have too many ideas,' LadyAce says.

'Hehe,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I have too many,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael sniffles sadly to himself, since no one else is paying attention.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I should not show up for like a month of q&a's :P.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Make your lives easier.'

'Nah, then they'd be dull :P,' LadyAce says.

'I'd tell you if I thought you were talking too much :P,' LadyAce says.

Sammael says patiently, 'Hehe.'

'What do you think of my prio idea?' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Dunno,' Ea! says. 'Probably a pain to code.'

'Why,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I'm not sure why we have priority, or what function it serves,' LadyAce says.

'Just make it display the damage,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Then all the damage is received at the same time at the end of the round.'

LadyAce says, 'So I can't say if I like it or not.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Who cares what order you see the damage in.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'You could make it so you always see yours first if prio didn't matter.'

Sammael says patiently, 'So you could always look at the top to see your damage.'

LadyAce says, 'Well, but is the person sitting when you hit, or standing?'

'Some things have to be calculated in order,' LadyAce says.

Sammael shakes his head.

'They might fall from weapon weight or something?' LadyAce says.

'I say all the damage is calculate like it is now,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Its just not DONE till the end of the round,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'For example,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Lets say variable a = to damage,' Sammael says patiently.

Julia says honestly, 'That raises a question - when my rough dagger makes the mob rest, does that happen before the dam is done that round, or after?'

'All the math is done during the round like now,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'But a is not removed from your current hp till all damage for the round is over.'

Ea! says to Julia, 'It happens right when you see it, I believe.'

Sammael says patiently, 'As for the other things.'=)

'They could be fixed,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'To whatever you think is fair.'

Tyrion laughs with amusement.

'Sloth I think should go off after the damage, but shrug, whatever,' Sammael says patiently.

Julia says honestly to Ea!, 'So after the dam, and mobs auto stand before the next round, so I might as well poison my rough dagger.'

Sammael says patiently, 'I think all spells should all be calculated last.'

'If you fall on the round it affects that round,' Sammael says patiently.

'Cuz you fell while you were attacking,' Sammael says patiently.

Ea! says to Julia, 'No, I think it happens before the attack.'

Julia says, speaking truthfully, to Ea!, 'It shows after the attack.'

'Prio is just such a pain, I feel this would make it a very very small pain :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia says, speaking truthfully, 'You hit x of x times, you do whatever dam, the mob rests.'

Sammael says patiently, 'No more bitching about lucky wins on prio.'

Sammael says patiently, 'No more being upset cuz you shoot flee and never get prio.'

'Hm,' Ea! says. 'Probably just a display error -- like people waking up after they die... but I'm not sure.'

Kaige says, 'We could take out the little lines of code that break the fight messages into rounds and it'd probably give the same results.'

An aura of heavenly light appears above your head.

'I don't know,' Sammael says patiently. 'Before you disperse, do you think its a possible?'

'Are you even interested,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I don't think it's worth it,' Ea! says. 'I'm not sure it's an improvement.'

Sammael is very very curious about this one.

Sammael says patiently, 'Okay, what about it being changes SOMEHOW.'

'The current way is completely and utterly stupid, sorry if that offends people,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Straussy sniffs sadly

Sammael says patiently, 'Its based on stun, yet again giving huge advantages to mages and con.'

Ea! says, 'What's "it"'

'Priority?' Ea! says.

'Yes,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia says honestly, 'It would certainly kill dexmud, if there was no such thing as prio.'

'Or fight rounds...' Ea! says.

'I had no problem with old priority,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Some people want it, some don't,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'But the current way just sucks, I hate it so bad.'

'I'm not opposed to changing it, I'm just unsure that I know how it should change,' Ea! says.

'I can choke flee a mob 6 times, it having prio,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I do like 50 damage with my chokes and it does 300.'

Sammael says patiently, 'And it STILL has prio.'

Priority & Even More Mob Balance

A level fifty mob has arrived from the east.

'Its based on stun and agg,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'It may just need to have some numbers tweaked -- become less random or more random,' Ea! says. 'Dunno.'

'What about if priority switched,' Sammael says patiently.

'Perhaps we need more ways to win prio?' Julia says, speaking truthfully.

'It's a complicated system that queues people up,' Ea! says to Time. 'I don't know all of the details -- Rufus could probably explain it better if he were here.'

'You get it every other time,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Its seems now you either have it the whole time till you get stunned or you don't till you stun them.'

'Something we can do to try to gain prio?' Julia says honestly.

'Which really sucks,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Stun.'

Julia says, speaking truthfully, 'More ways, I mean.'

Sammael says patiently, 'If you stun them, you get prio like 90% of the time, maybe even 100.'

'Which makes fighting a mage or a headbutter incredibly annoying,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'But it makes sense,' Time says, trying to help.

Julia says honestly, 'Like if you flurry, you lose prio?'

'How about we just make stun really really close to impossible to get,' Straussy says.

'If you are stunned, you shouldnt be able to have prio,' Time says, trying to help.

'Making sense is not a valid argument,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'If it was the mud would collapse,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Or if the mob gets set to sitting you gain prio?' Julia says honestly.

'Personaly I think whoever intiates the combat should get prio,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'If a mob growls with anger, they have prio.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'If I backstab it, I have prio.'

Sammael says patiently, 'If someone walks in the room and bashes, they have it.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'If they flee, I walk in and backstab, I have it.'

Time says, trying to help, 'So a stunned mob who iniated combat, should still have prio?'

Time says, trying to help, 'Or a mob that is sitting?'

'No, I think if prio worked like this stun would be fine,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'If I walk in, backstab, hit you a prio round, then you headbutted, I would wake up on the defensive, not the offensive.'

Julia says honestly, 'Mob flees, and heals on tick, you chase, it growls, you lose prio?'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Yup.'

'I think it should change if you stun... you should have prio if you knock something on its ass,' Time says helpfully.

'It initiated combat, it has the priority, in my opinion,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly to Time, 'I agree, IF you get prio when you start the fight.'

'Even if it is on the ground, incapable of hitting...' Time says helpfully.

[Clan: Avengers] LadyDagger: hahahahaha

You tell The_Ace, 'umm.. maybe? '

'Anyway, again, I'm bringin up issues noone cares about :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'This really will be my last suggestion,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Straussy says, 'So what was the initial question here?'

'Make stun shots last longer,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige says to Sammael, 'Lemme say somethign real quick..'

'Make lower level stuns work for longer too,' Time says helpfully.

Julia says, speaking truthfully, 'But if it's a fleeing mob - and it just happened to flee one pulse before tick, that shouldn't gain it prio.'

'For mages i mean,' Time says, trying to help...

Ea! says to Straussy, 'I think it was "Why is dex so powerful"'.

Straussy nods his agreement with Ea!.hings...

'Oh,' Straussy says.

Time says helpfully, 'My stuns on my alt hardly ever last, and i've wfw once.'

Kaige says to Sammael, 'It's not that I don't care about a topic when it's brought up... I often have to take time to digest things... to think about them when I don't have two kids trying to kill each other behind me and such.'

'90% of the time the person wakes up first,' Sammael says tolerantly to Ea!.

Sammael nods his agreement with Kaige.

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'I think we have a lot of the same frustrations than you do, but we're not really sure how to solve them.'

'I didn't say you didn't care persay, or at least I didn't mean,' Sammael says tolerantly to you.t the_ace

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I just meant its a topic thats not really "Important" or "hot"'

'Not necessary,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Ok.. I get what you're saying...' Kaige says.

'I'm guessing you mean "...in pkill"?' Ea! says to Sammael.

'Mobkill seems to work fine,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I can walk in and bs.'

'In pk 90% of the time they wake up first,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'I once watched gaidal stun shot barabas.'day.. =)

'Barabas woke up, walked west, and wfw'd him while he was still lagged from the shot,' Sammael says patiently.

'Thats dumb,' Sammael says patiently.

'Makes a stun shot worthless,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says patiently, 'Might as well have been a bash, since all it did was stop them from rushing.'

Sammael feels dumb in the silence.

'Duhhhhh,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael cackles gleefully to himself for no apparent reason.

Tyrion chuckles politely.

Straussy says, 'Any other questions?'

'Do not even try to take over this q&a :P,' Sammael says tolerantly to Straussy.

LadyAce smiles at Straussy.

LadyAce tickles Sammael.

'You've been here 5 minutes!' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Your on the bottom of the seniority ladder buddy,' Sammael says patiently.

'Is it wrong to see if any of the quiet people here have any comments or ideas?' Straussy says to Sammael.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'You sound like your trying to shut us down :P.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Thats a ladyace time to leave line.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Which is fine if she says it.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'But not you :P.'

Tyrion says, looking amused, 'I dont think up idea just complaints :P.'

Straussy shrugs helplessly.

Sammael says patiently, 'I don't know what mine are.'

'Are they whining or ideas...' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael peers at himself myopically.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I dunno, i try to support my "whinings"'

Sammael throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

'Try not to just say, "Stunning shots suck ass!"' Sammael says patiently.

Tyrion says, in a voice that's all powerful, to Sammael, 'I agreed with most of em thus they couldn't have been whining.'

Sammael says tolerantly, '"priority is stupid and I don't know how to fix it but do it!"'

Sammael says patiently, 'Hehe.'

'No point in my whining, what I want isn't going to happen,' Julia says honestly.

'You're the only one :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Everyone else is thinking, "my god, shut up sammael"'

Julia shakes her head.

Tyrion laughs with amusement.

Sammael looks at the welcome board.

Fuego nods his agreement with Sammael.

Sammael says patiently, 'Only I could keep a q&a going 2 hours, a new world record!'

'If I really wanted you to be quiet, I would say so,' LadyAce says.

LadyAce shrugs helplessly.

'Well,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia says honestly, 'I don't agree with some of what you say, but it's interesting to hear your point of view.'

Sammael says patiently, 'You can still think my ideas are valid and be sick of hearing them :P.'

LadyAce says, 'I think it's important for people to speak up about what they see.'

Sammael does weird things.

LadyAce says, 'These forums do a lot in the way of adjusting our priorities.'

Tyrion says, rather cocky, 'I'm too lazy to go finish baldurs gate so q+a is fine.'

'I won't even tell you about the nifty triggers I'm working on :),' Sammael says patiently.

Tyrion laughs with amusement.

'I want to hit like my old char with the same stats,' Julia says honestly. '*sniff*.'

'Probably talk about those next week *cackle*,' Sammael says patiently.

'I dunno about your priorities,' Sammael says patiently.

'I think it would be incredibly hard to decide whats more important,' Sammael says patiently.

'Well, on some things,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Kaige says, 'Especially when there's so much to choose from.'

'Things like, my bag is spelled bga,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Is lower then, will gives me a coupon everytime I walk by.'

Sammael throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

Julia raises her hand.

LadyAce points at Julia.

Sammael says patiently to Kaige, 'Hehe, that would be a cool way to say merry xmas.'

'Maybe not with coupons but have will give everyone something when they walk by,' Sammael says tolerantly to Kaige.

'Why does fill chalice waterskin fill from a skin on the floor, and not the one in my inv?' Julia says honestly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I asked rufus about that, something he said he can't fix :(.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Or if he could it was a hack job or something weird.'

Ea! says, 'So that you can fill it from fountains, I believe.'

Sammael thinks rufus is funny.

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'Coupon giveaways like that cripple our ability to do anything but strings 24/7 :P.'

'How many fountains have keyword waterskin?' Julia says honestly.

'I said maybe not coupons,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Just something,' Sammael says patiently.

Ea! says, 'Though it might be part of the code to allow "fill waterskin" when there's a fountain there.'

Sammael says patiently, 'At xmas.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'It does suck though.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'There was an owned waterskin in the inn once.'

'Can we make it so that waterskins only take water, not alcohol?' Julia says honestly.

'None, but we have to decide if we want to check for them on the ground or on inv first,' Ea! says.

'It defaulted to that instead of my inventory,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently to Fee, 'I've kept it going an amazing 1:59.'

'So you can't fill a waterskin with alcohol and leave it in an inn,' Julia says honestly.

Sammael throws his head back and cackles with insane glee!

'We're working on a fix for it, but it's a *real* pain, though, so don't expect it any time soon,' Ea! says.

'It would be nice if some items weren't ownable,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Julia ponders Suger's chalice's existence.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Bandages/newbie weapons/waterskins.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Mundane stuff.'

Julia says honestly, 'Newbie maps, lamps, faqs.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Even quiver.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Vials.'

Tyrion laughs with amusement.

'Empty vials only?' Julia says honestly.

'Nah,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Quest pieces,' Kaige says.

An aura of heavenly light appears above Kaige's head.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'You can easily replace your fly vial if you lose it.'

Sammael chuckles politely at Kaige's feeble witticism.

Sammael says patiently, 'Quests...'

'I wonder what I consider the best quest in the game to be...' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce says, 'I like the witch quest.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I'd say the best area for quests is romania, I love the quests there.'

'Easiest is malta knights,' Julia says honestly.

Fee nods his agreement with Sammael.

'Know what the most evil quest is,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'The FALCON quest.'

Sammael grumbles to LadyAce.

LadyAce laughs at Sammael.

'I've still yet to get that whois,' Sammael says patiently.

'Gaidal, ruby, and I figured out like 70% of the quests in crusades first,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Just got to get the syntax right :),' Julia says honestly.

'But that quest just has eluded us for over a year :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I did like some of the crusades quests.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'The brick one took me hours to figure out, the crack in the wall.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Had to resort to cheating with vid bhu :P.'

'I've been out of touch for a while, is AT quest fixed?' Julia says honestly.

'I still don't know what that pouch at the bottom of the sewers is for though I heard some stuff,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Dunno,' Sammael says patiently.

'Far as I know, it is,' LadyAce says to Julia.

'I think their should be a shroud clone though,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Aww, noone is discussing my ideas anymore.'

Straussy says, 'I always likes the ritter quest.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'All my ideas went poof!'

Sammael sniffs sadly.

Ea! comforts Sammael.

'I'd really like to see stunshot changed though,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'I haven't worked out what the key on bohemund is for - I found the door, and got in ...but is there a quest there?' Julia says honestly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I know thats selfish or whatever but it just is so annoying.'

Ea! says, 'It seems like a reasonable suggestion to me, that it last at least one round.'

'Yea,' Sammael says patiently.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I hate it when I stun shoot someone, walk in and get para bs'd cuz they are spamming bs.'

'Stun shots are so rare anyway,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Scorn nods solemnly.

Sammael says patiently, 'I was told its based on your perc and accuracy of weapon.'

'But craven has like a 4 accuracy bow and 96 perc and never stuns, so I dunno,' Sammael says patiently.

'Hehe, I have an opinion question,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Do you sometimes wish you could just use the current code and start from scratch on the fight system, word system, skill system, the way stats affect people, classes, all that stuff :P,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Any other questions?' LadyAce says. 'Otherwise, I think we're done for now.'

LadyAce smiles happily.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'I kept it interesting, I moved from one thing to another :P.'

LadyAce nods her agreement with Sammael.

'Priority, stun shots, dex, hp, damroll, hitroll, we went everywhere!' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says patiently, 'I still think at level 1-10 instead of seeing your stats you should see the order you picked them.'

'So if you picked strength first it would say 1 in score,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'Better for it to say 1st :P,' LadyAce says to Sammael.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'But rufus said that was hard to code or something.'

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'Newbies will be confuzzled.'

Sammael nods his agreement with LadyAce.

LadyAce says, 'Would require storing that info, we currently don't.'

'1st fits, its 3 digits, like 100,' Sammael says tolerantly.

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Wouldn't require storing.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'Do elseifs :P.'

'Or whatever,' Sammael says patiently.

LadyAce says to Sammael, 'That wouldn't show order picked.'

'The largest number is 1st, ect,' Sammael says tolerantly.

'That'd show which was largest,' LadyAce says to Sammael. 'Not the same.'' C

'If they are the same, it just randomly chooes one,' Sammael says patiently.

'So if you add eq, and something changes position ...' Julia says, speaking truthfully.

Sammael says patiently, 'Well.'

Sammael says tolerantly, 'If I pick strength first.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Its going to be the highest or tied for highest.'

Sammael says patiently, 'Its not going to be 27.'

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