Posted by Tarn on 05/04
Hi,
As you may know I have been away for a month or so,
and upon my return, I wanted to catch up on this board.
It has been a nightmare. I don't have unlimited access,
I get a set hours of net time per day, and have to pay
more per hour for extra time.
Normally this board is full of concise posts, that debate,
and yes, sometimes argue, points relevant to the game.
Some posts are long, but most are short and to the point.
I find a board that has taken me hours to wade through,
hours that I could have been socialising, helping
newbies, or even (shudder) gaining xp.
Hours that I have to pay for.
It would be nice if all posters could consider that not
everyone has unlimited access to the internet, yet still
take an interest in this board. Please, try to keep
posts brief, to the point, and don't rehash and restate
everything. It's not just one person who has been 'guilty'
of this.
On another note, I personally am offended by some of the
comments that have been made comparing the players of
this mud to lynch mobs, references to Kosovo, etc.
I am insulted by comments that we do not help newbies.
I am usually willing to help those who are willing to
help themselves, as are most of the players here, imho.
BTW, has the person who has been making references to
Kosovo consider that we may have players who live near
there, or have relatives who are over there right now?
Sorry this turned out to be longer than I intended.
Tarn of the USL
From: Nothing
Sunday, May 02, 11:30AM
Yah, lay off the Kosovo stuff, if ground troops are sent, I'll
most likely be the first to go.
From: Krystal
Sunday, May 02, 05:51PM
in response to tarn, why not just copy posts from here
and paste them into your favourite word processor?
hen you can respond in your word processor and
finally copy and paste it in here. just remember, you
have to format it so that the lines have returns on them
within.. a certain amount of characters.. experiment
until you find the limit of characters you can put on a
line.. i tried inputting numbers in and the limit was 74
characters (a space is still a character by the way).
From: Tarn
Sunday, May 02, 07:36PM
Ok, now you've made me mad. I -tried- to be reasonable.
I hate hypocrisy and that is what I see here.
A certain player -will not- change their style of using this
board, but the rest of us have to, it seems.
We have to scroll past the quotes. We have to -my god- copy
and paste into a word processor to read this board.
Why should -we- all change when someone else refuses to do
so.
The point of this board is DISCUSSION. I dont see a lot
of that. I see of lot of personal battles, somebody's
personal crusade against all the injustices of the world,
and their sense of martyrdom when we (at first politely)
say please don't do that, then tell them in stronger
terms.
If you don't want to xp, fine, you don't have to. You can
socialise. But if you want to get into loooooong discussions
where you can repeat yourself ad nauseam, you don't want a
mud, you want Usenet. You can do your discussing on
Usenet, and just come here and socialise, have fun without
stepping on any toes, and quest, and learn, and explore,
and even -shudder- learn how to use your skills and spells
and gain that dreaded xp you seem so afraid of.
The xp scale for newbies is much much better than it was a
year ago. Ask anyone whos been around about the old level
6.
The game limits you want to push so hard (too hard imho) are
there for a reason. Those reasons have been explained to
you, when you have actually made suggestions and not
turned the discussion into a general slanging match of
' you said and I said and they said and no one is
listening to poor me and I'm going to get banned for
just stating my point of view'.
I'm sure you have some great ideas. Suggest away and leave
it at that, don't insist on arguing your point ad infinitum,
please.
Otherwise we will just skip your posts and miss your
potentially great ideas.
And, please try and make an effort to learn the game, so that
you have a better grasp of the implications of the ideas you
come up with.
I have never seen so many otherwise -nice- people get so mad.
Some of the nicest people I know here have posted to the many
many Jean/Krystal threads.
That saddens me.
You have also raised old emnities, giving people who dislike
each other reasons to sling off at each other, merely by your
refusing to listen to the many many voices who have responded
to you.
Once again, my apologies for this long spammy post, but as I
said at the beginning of this post, you've made me mad.
Tarn of the USL
sadly watching the mud community brawling
From: Moonlight
Tuesday, May 04, 01:51AM
in append 3, Tarn writes:
I feel likewise. Ive already mentioned where i see
hypocrisy (read hypocrisy and avoidance for details). I
fail to see where you mention hypocrisy though..
perhaps you were speaking of what i had already
mentioned :-p?
Not true- you can skip my messages entirely if you
want.
not that thats true, but youre saying thats a
horrifying prospect :-p? In any case, once again, you
dont have to read my posts.
personal battles can count as discussion.. at this point, a
rather violent one, where im being denied access and
deleted and i retaliate with calling those actions
pathetic. If things continue the way they are though, ill
be gone and youll presumably have your wished for
appropriate discussions :-p.
Sounds about right. Now what you have to ask yourself
is, even if youre right, was it necessary to deny me
access? giving me a board, say, would have aleviated
all of your problems and left me happy too. Im not the
only person whos unhappy with the results, but when
the immortals start trampling a player, even friends
will desert one..
Not as much community feel on usenet.
You know where the term flame came from? Trust
me, usenet can be -pretty- trying to ones nerves
sometimes..
Not afraid of the xp- just afraid of becoming an
automaton whos just a little better then a mob for
countless hours.
They also say that the xp scale for higher ups is worse
then it was a year ago- and that, in general, it was
easier before (especially if you powerlevelled up on the
newbie levels)
Reasons which i challenged- after a bit of a discussion,
the challenges still stand, only modified by the stuff i
learned from people i discussed these issues with.
laugh :-p. thats happened for all of about a day. Believe
me, ill -never- have to worry about people just
skipping me altogether- far before that, some immortal
will deny me board access or delete me or ban me-
they think that just getting rid of the disturbance will
solve the problem. Its like modern medicine- treat the
symptom of the problem and everything will be fine.
To anyone who knows much about alternative
medicines, such as naturopathy, the idea is pretty
dumb- what you want to do is take out the -cause-. The
cause of the problems here is that people would rather
force a person to be the way you are or banish
him/her, instead of perhaps finding a little niche (say, a
board made for the person) where the person could
just do their own thing and have like minded people
see him. Its possible that no one would pay attention
to my board- -then- I would worry and perhaps even
change my ways. But this is all hypothetical- it doesnt
seem like ill be getting the chance to see how
successful id be with my own board as Sandra, at the
very least, doesnt want to make me one.
I have and i think i know a fair amount now. about the
enmities thing, believe me, it was just waiting to come
out- furthermore, if youre talking about ulrics idea
about clans, i actually didnt agree with him on that-
perhaps eventually softening his views on that. He
certainly doesnt seem to be talking about it anymore.
With that, adieu.
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