You people should all be ashamed of yourselves for being so
utterly and ridiculously oversensitive. Jean posts a few appends
with some quoting in it, and you all freak out. I really hope
its simply the quoting and not the content of the message that
has you all worked up, because Jean isnt the first 'newbie'
to state some of these opinions, except he's the first to
get this much attention. Uncle Ulric wants to teach everyone
a new word today.. Hypocrisy, something that frequently happens
with such utterly superficial topics as this. Example -
I, along with others, complained about the frivolous rp
clan creation... I was told by the powers that be that they
(being whoever) can create any clan they wish no matter
how ridiculous due to the fact that 'its their right to
do so.' Yet I find it wholly ironic that Jean here is being
insulted and told to LEAVE of all things because he is quoting
posts, which is HIS RIGHT TO DO SO. You people all need to
get a clue. This is just one example of a million I could name
of the superficial behavior many of you display on a day to day
basis.
If you dont want to read his freakin posts.. DONT READ THEM.
I personally cant stand Ceri's retarded death/info messages..
however I ignore them! She wont stop because she wants to
be stubborn, and I respect that. If jean doesnt want to
stop, then let it go!
Here's another handy little tip for all you people who think that
yelling at people solves everything - if you ignore the things
that are annoying (but not destructive in the least bit - jean)
then they go away... magically! Look what happened
to Angesley.. I ignored them after a while.. and they went
away (short lived however).
I personally am going to take Jean under my wing, and harbor his
obviously incredible riot-causing posting skills. Anyone who
can get that much attention is highly useful for our nihilistic
cause. I just find it hilarious that this all started for
such a small incident... really get a grip. I've seen
much more serious incidents hardly unargued.. yet
when relatively newcomer Jean over here says a few silly
things and uses <>'s to quote other posts.. you all
blow an O-ring.
May you all suffer eternal quoting from Jean..
Lord Ulric - benevolent Lawyer for the oppressed
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope
reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." -Einstein
From: SkaTeBoaRDeR
Friday, April 30, 02:52AM
I think Uncle Ulric is right. You people should be appalled! Even you
imms are doing likewise!
tsk tsk
What ever happened to player rights? And Ulric is right. If you don't
like the way he writes, then don't READ IT! You people make me gag.
Of all things! I'm gonna keep tabs on the discussion board CLOSELY...
And...who knows? Maybe a few will find themselves added to my ignore list.
Extreme you say? Well don't you think Jean thinks it is extreme that you
are so evil to him? Sure he has some whacked ideas and ways of bringing
them across, but that's discrimination!
And I think Ceri is spammy too -hide- but she's nice so who cares? Plus
there is a nice little feature that allows you to turn info off. :-p
-SkaTeBoaRDeR [SPICE]
Look! I found two cents! I think I'll share them with you!
-fizzle-
From: Ulric
Friday, April 30, 02:53AM
Oh yah, another lesson Uncle Ulric forgot to teach..
Stop eating glue, it gives you constipation.
Oh and another thing I've noticed through the years I've been
here. It seems that from time to time people have to pluck
out one mudder (usually just deemed annoying) and will
release their aggressions or frustrations on that person and
pratically make him/her a pariah. The fact that some
of you suggested that Jean leave the mud because of his
views are unpopular, is the true crime here.
You people can go to hell in my opinion.. I wouldnt miss
any of you (the ones that suggested leaving the mud obviously)
I'll let Jean quote that for added affect in a later append.
Lord Ulric - Sensei of the infamous Jean
From: Ghandi
Friday, April 30, 06:01AM
If we don't like them don't read them? I don't like being spammed
and I'm not about to give up using READ NEXT because of one person.
Would it be within my rights to write the same word over and over
again just for the hell of it? I don't think there's a rule againt
that yet.
From: LadyAce
Friday, April 30, 09:55AM
I think that when a player's particular style of using a given medium,
makes that medium difficult for others to use according to its intended
purpose, then it's our duty to require that person to use the medium in
a manner which permits others to exercise their right to use it as well.
Something like, your right to swing your arms about, ends, at the tip
of the other fellow's nose.
And as for clans -- there are many ways to enjoy the mud, and we try to
leave as many of those methods open as possible. Social clans/mutual
assistance clans are an aspect of community building, as are RP clans.
If we get to a point where the number of social type clans is interfering
with the addition of new RP clans, we may need to revisit how open we
are to various types of clans, but until that point, I'd like to see the
free market take its toll, and see how the membership works out.
-LA
From: Amadio
Friday, April 30, 11:53AM
It's not Jean's message I object to, but the manner in which he
delivers it. If that's hypocrisy, so be it. But I don't intend
to start taking moral lessons from you any time soon, Ulric.
From: SkaTeBoaRDeR
Friday, April 30, 07:24PM
well...that's interesting Ghandi. so the only reason you are mad at
Jean is because you are too lazy to type read board # # instead of
read next? How cruel.
And I read your post LA, but I still don't see how Jean is hurting
people or how your illustration applies.
And to Amadio: -laugh- you're funny -poke last line about Ulric-
Well, I'm gonna be true to my post.
-SkaTeBoaRDeR
From: Ulric
Friday, April 30, 08:19PM
Lemmie clear up some arguments here...
According to ladyace, we are supposed to 'require' others
to use this medium of communication in the way its intended.
Good point, however it falls waaaaaay too short. Last time I
remember, we have international players that mud here and many of
them dont have particularly good english. Should we attack
them for using poor grammar or non-english words in their
posts because its incorrect? I personally think a few people
that mud here are particularly ignorant and couldnt find
their way out of a port-o-pottie, should I request that they
be disallowed to post anything because of their ignorance?
Quoting is annoying I agree, but the fact that many of you
are insulting jean and almost requesting site-ban, and at
the least deletion is particularly disturbing to me.
This mud may be a 'privilage' of sorts, but this is
just slightly short of oppression, and at the least
ridiculous. You people really need to get out more..
The world is full of people who dont necessarily participate
like you would wish them to.
As for the people who whine about having to hit READ NEXT
twice to skip past posts they dont want to read..
(this goes for you Ghandi) __Your all a bunch of f'n idiots, I
fear for anyone who is forced to put up with your whining.
If you all wish to throw the proverbial gas in the flame,
I'll be happy to sit here with my flamethrower and bring
us all down one notch. After all, I have no morals and
will dip to any level.. right Amadio?
From: Amadio
Friday, April 30, 09:06PM
Yeah, that's pretty much right.
From: Ghandi
Friday, April 30, 08:57PM
How about I spam you whenever I see you, all you need do
is sleep or leave the room. MANY have found Jean's quoting
annoying and rather than change his ways to suit not just us
but the 'threaded' message system, he's decided to be stubborn
about it for no good reason. It's obvious he just enjoys
argument for the sake of argument and we won't put up with
that kinda crap for long.
From: Cicatrize
Saturday, May 01, 03:17AM
Ulric is a genius
Why...we could have the Imms delete all the Non-Jean posts!
because the original post is not needed after the re-paste
And I wish I had known there was a "Read Next"
here I thought I had to keep pressing "Up" (to repost) and then
delete the last append and enter the next
I learn something new everyday.
From: Jean
Saturday, May 01, 07:45PM
(part 1 of 2)
Ulric writes:
I wish id known that before. Well, nice to know now :
). Anyways, about the reason as to why people dont
like my posts- i actually -hope- that the reason they
dont like my posts really has little to do with quoting-
its such a lame reason, considering the fact that either
not using read next or just typing read next a few times
(perhaps with a few returns in between if youve got
screenlen active) will solve the problem. Again, I bring
to everyones attention the hypocrisy in supposedly
being -happy- while xping for hours on end and yet
grouching about skipping my posts here. If anyone
should be upset, it should be -me-- i have to repeat,
over and over and over again, the same reasons for
quoting, for wanting this or that idea, simply because
people dont want to read all the appends in a post. But
I dont- im perfectly willing to accept that most people
dont have -nearly- as much time as I presently do to
think of these issues, let alone want to; So I repeat my
reasons many times for many different people. But
people push things -too far- when they complain about
a little read next typing.
The rights of people here is defined by the immortals,
so theyre technically right. But not only that, id like to
say that I dont mind clans being created for any
reason wished for- i mean, why not? If the clan doesnt
have much substance to it, itll die out soon anyways.
As to me being able to post here, there -is- one
alternative, that ive been thinking about for a bit of
time now, if creating a gag feature for the ooc
discussion board is so difficult- create another board,
created specifically for me- call it the Jean board :-p.
Hopefully it could be just one north of the ooc
discussion board so i wouldnt have to walk much
further to get to it :-). What I could then do is look at
the ooc discussion board, read the messages there, then
reply on the ooc discussion board with a simple
replied to in message 48 or replied to in message 48,
append 3 of my Jean board. Itd be nice if i could still
have the option of writing on the ooc discussion board
without quoting or perhaps even a 1 or 2 sentence
quote, for the time when theres annoying people
criticizing me on the ooc discussion board yet who
refuse to check out mine. But this is a last ditch solution
in the event that its impossibly hard to do the board
gag thing that Wuss suggested or the imms, despite the
wishes of all the players that want this feature, dont
want to be bothered.
From: Jean
Saturday, May 01, 07:46PM
(part 2 of 2)
Ulric writes:
I thought she wasnt allowed to do that anymore? Ceris
posts is one example where i actually -do- think its
spamming- theyre automatic messages that can wreck
conversation on the info channel. The most peaceful
solution might be to be able to gag a person
-everywhere-, not just in tells- in channels, boards, etc.
Each selective- so to gag a person tell, youd type tgag
person and to ban me in chattype channels like info
and chat, youd type cgag person or to gag me in
boards, youd type bgag person. Finally, if youd just
like to gag the person -everywhere-, just type egag
person. Now -thats- what id call a solution :-). But if
thats incredibly difficult, one could just create a special
channel for Ceri so that who wanted to here her
automated infos could listen to it through there.
Well, if -everyone- ignores them, yes. But im hardly
being ignored by everyone, he :-p.
Tell me of this angesley? And you say they.. she was
more then one person?
lol :-).
lol :-). on the subject of nihilism, id like to say that
while i have many views that would counter the
traditional values and beliefs, i in know way think that
existence is senseless and useless- that sounds like the
perfect suicide fodder. while i sometimes might think
that the benefits of living arent enough to go on living
:-p, that hasnt been too often..
i know eh :-)?. Thinking about this for a while though,
im thinking that the -only- people who might have a
true claim here are the immortals- do they -have- to
read -all- the posts (with appends) in this board? If
they do, why? I mean, if theres anything thats -really-
important going on here, im sure a player who has
more time or is more interested in this board could tell
them.
lol :-).
:-)
<"If people are good only because they fear
punishment, and hope reward, then we are a sorry lot
indeed." -Einstein>
I love that quote, he :-). personally, i live for myself; if
im happy with what ive accomplished, im happy. Note
that, despite what some may think, im -very- sensitive
bake filet
fairly good idea of whats absurd- that my quoting is
making this board unbearable, say :-p. anyways, heres
to things getting better in the future.
From: Jean
Saturday, May 01, 07:51PM
in append 2, Ulric writes:
Lol :-). god, youre funny ulric, he :-). anyways, i was
thinking of resisting the temptation of quoting this, but
after reading it the second time, i just thought i just
-had- to, he he :-). anyways, i agreed with pretty much
you whole append, so this is all i have to say, heh :-).
From: Jean
Saturday, May 01, 08:39PM
in append 3, Ghandi writes:
thats right- whats so hard to understand about that?
read my what wuss said... for solutions to this
problem..
possibly not, but thered be no -point- in that. for as of
yet uncontested reasons as to why i quote for
-readers-, read board 48, append 36 (theres no quotes
in it so youll be happy :-p). and ofcourse, it just saves
me plenty of time from paraphrasing as well- not to
mention the fact that if you read my posts without the
quoting, some parts would either not make sense or
could mean many different things, as i pointed out to
Dworkin in board 48, append 41.
From: Jean
Saturday, May 01, 10:42PM
in response to LadyAces comments (append 4):
read board 62 to see how the whole problem of having
to see board messages one doesnt want to see could be
eliminated. Also, a bunch of other problems as well.
As to your point about clans- as long as people are
having fun, what does it matter what type of clans one
has on here? If theres more unrp clans then rp clans,
perhaps people just like that type more.
From: Jean
Sunday, May 02, 01:23AM
in append 5, Amadio writes:
No, thats not hypocrisy- what i was labelling hypocrisy
is that, on the hand, people were telling me that
tediously levelling was fun, yet on the other, they were
saying that going through a few quotes was unbearably
tedious? the only way this could not be hypocrisy,
ofcourse, is if levelling isnt tedious. Id -love- to here
the arguments for -that- one, he he :-p. Ive heard
some vague rumblings about fighting for your life-
well, i dont know about you, but -i- wouldnt risk life
and limb just to get a few levels- ofcourse, on here you
dont -really- die; you just lose some xp (which means
you have to do more of that tedious xping) and you
have to go fetch your eq (unless you hit a dt, in which
case you have to get new eq, which is annoying id
think- where, exactly, the fun is, i still fail to see :-p).
Quests are good, but ive heard it told to me often
enough- you cant get to 50 on quests. They also seem
to be a -lot- harder to do, especially if you dont know
how to get to distant cities (this, ofcourse, is assuming
you have an inside track on how to -do- the quest- im
not even sure how to figure out quests myself, though
that may change)
You later go on to say that you dont think Ulric has any
morals- why do you think that?
From: Danar
Sunday, May 02, 03:52PM
An argument for leveling being more interesting than reading thousands of
posts? all right.
See, this is a MUD primarily for those people who LIKE fighting and
leveling. While RP is certainly a very important concern, it's (as you'll
see if you listen to chat for fifteen seconds) very much secondary. As
such, it has a lot of fighting and a lot of leveling. If you don't like
combat, fine, good for you, you're a better person than I am - any
psychologist would immediately call my amusement at dicing up hounds of
Cullan a reaction to the lack of aggression therapy in my personal life.
But this is a fighting MUD, not a MUSH. Violence is a way of life here.
Therefore, ergo, and thusly, the reason I don't mind fighting a lot but do
mind reading tedious posts is because I find fighting to be very much
enjoyable, and I don't find reading posts inherently that enjoyable - I
can read anywhere, but I can only fight here ;P
Danar
From: Krystal
Sunday, May 02, 06:09PM
first off, id like to say that, yes, im jean, using another
of my characters. Im doing this because Jean was
denied access to boards. Im perfectly aware that this
might get me banned but frankly, after the pathetic
reason given for denying me access to the boards, the
chance of getting one more post in means more to me
then getting banned for the same pathetic reason that i
was denied access to boards for (im too spammy or
whatever- a claim ive denied and shown much
evidence against, but which the imms and many
players dont seem to care about).
in append 17, Danar writes:
I think you give me a little -too- much credit- i didnt
write -thousands- of posts :-p.
all right. See, this is a MUD primarily
for those people who LIKE fighting and leveling.>
oh, i like levelling too- its the amount of xp you have
to get per level thats annoying.
Ive listened for far longer then that and contributed a
few times as well and i havent come to that conclusion
at all.
The reason for this, id think, is to make it so that the
haves can maintain their higher standing longer- ive
had conflicting reports of whether the old xp system
was easier or harder- apparently, it was easier on the
lower levels if you werent getting power levelled, but
it was harder if you -werent- getting power levelled.
In any case, i know that some people (including
bronwyn, who told me once that shed spent 4 YEARS
getting herself levelled up) still found it fairly tedious
even back then. The main argument that it seems
Bronwyn and others expound as to the reason that
levelling not be made easier is because -they- had to
get as bored as all hell getting to 50. Which suggest that
they think we should have to go through the same
torture that they went through getting up.. otherwise,
you see, itd cheapen the level theyd gotten to. To me,
this suggests that some peoples self esteem on here is
based -way- too much on how much they can kill.
I like this place, whatever you want to call it. Perhaps I
-do- like some aspects of a mush to a certain extent.
However, ive been to 2- both of them seemed -far- to
complicated to get into. There wasnt such a big player
base on either as well. Perhaps you could attribute this
to the fact that most people like killing, but perhaps a
-bigger- reason is the higher ease of use on muds.
Then why read my posts? Or is it that even typing read
next is killing you?
