Posted by Jean on 04/29
In light of recent events on this mud, Ive come
to the conclusion that many people here are
hypocritical- they in essence say that reading
my quotes causes them immeasurable suffering
yet they dont mind spending countless hours
half mindlessly xping. Others avoid the topic, not
wanting to be drawn in when they could simply
spend lots of hours xping. I suppose most people
are satisfied with this status quo, but that
doesnt mean that its the best way of doing
things. Personally, I think that if people were
truly convinced about their views opposed to
mine on things ranging from xp quotas to level
and eq rent limits per level, theyd keep on
debating the issues with me, regardless if there
was quoted material or not. As it is, I have a
feeling that the -real- determinant in people not
responding to my posts anymore is an
unconscious fear that perhaps Im right.
From: Mac
Wednesday, April 28, 01:51AM
Look, I'd much prefer to enter the game at level 50 as all I
want to do is pkill now but you don't see me trying to change
the game to that extent. I enjoyed levelling up the first
time despite it being slow and difficult as I discovered new
agg mobs etc along the way. It still didn't take 1/10th the
time as it does on other MUDs I've tried.
You can't offer a quick and easy option to level as everyone's
likely to take that route. You want to fast forward your way
to the end as you've seen the movie before and don't care
that you're ruining it for others. You can't expect the IMMs
to just disgard all the work they put in. There'd be hardly
any point in doing quests if you could level faster without
them.
I suggest you start your own MUD rather than wasting your time
trying to change existing ones.
From: Rehetep
Wednesday, April 28, 07:21AM
Well, I find this downright insulting, and i'm sure so does
every other player that has several characters at level 50.
If you think xping is 'boring', 'tedious' and 'mindless'
what in the world are you doing on a MUD? You want discussion,
there's usenet. If you want socialising, there's IRC.
And it's not quoting I mind, it's spam. Quoting is pure spam,
and fair bit of your posts is just repeating things you've
already posted again and again.
Anyway, lot of people here have put in a lot of time and
effort in playing this game. It's because they like it.
And they, me included, just can't accept criticism from
people that don't put in simmilar effort in it.
About people not wanting to discuss things with you:
Perhaps if you tried to present your ideas in a manner
that doesn't annoy the hell out of all the people here,
you'd get better response? Everyone here has asked, begged,
threatened and whatnot for you to keep your posts SHORT.
And if you stubbornly refuse to accept that, how should
people react? Did it ever accur to you you might be WRONG
about this matter? Discussion isn't just repeating 'i'm right'
over and over and over again.
The fact some of your ideas are good makes things even worse.
To sum up, people don't discuss with a pain in the neck. Stop
being one and we can talk
From: Stradivari
Wednesday, April 28, 03:30PM
As I can only speak for myself, I will say the determinant
that has caused me to stop responding to your post is not a
fear that you are right, but a conflict in philosophies on
how to approach issues and how to debate them.
I prefer a more positive approach to dealing with problems
that need to be resolved. For instance, instead of
complaining that people are not helping newbies, I just help
them and try to motivate others to do so.
As I have said, a negative approach usually (note the word
"usually") leads to people becoming insulted, defensive,
agitated, and unfriendly - which has occurred as a result of
your posts. I am neither defending the actions of my fellow
players, nor am I saying that your points are wrong or
false, but that you have approached matters in a fairly
ineffective manner. As a result, you have done little to
change anything, except cause the MUD to become a bit more
hostile (mainly towards you).
Stradivari
From: Jean
Thursday, April 29, 02:25AM
in append 1, Mac writes:
So maybe youre just not as bold as i am? In any case, i
wouldnt recommend just anyone starting at level 50-
otherwise, why not just have one level and call it 1. I
just think that one should have to do so much
monotonous killing to get to the next level- quests and
such are a far better way id think- the thing is that
they currently dont give enough xp. Some of them are
arguably too easy if you get help, but getting help for
quests is harder then getting xping help (thats so much
easier- just kill and use ones skills, no memorizing of
what to do next involved). On the only mush that I
spent a considerable amount of time on, people seemed
to raise level by a higher ranking person given them
more status.. experience being given by.. immortals
maybe. But this is all such deep stuff- just, say, halving
the number of kills needed in the higher levels might
be a good idea for now.
When I started out on muds, levelling held more charm
too, must admit.
On the only mud I actually levelled for a fair amount of
time (tfc), it took about the same amount of time for
the beginning levels anyways- at that time, though, i
wasnt too unhappy with spending tons of time
levelling. It was only afterwards that I found it pretty
tedious and figured that we could all be spending more
of our time in more productive ways.
Just easier- easy is clearly a matter of interpretation,
though.
If there were enough good quests, I think it could be
far from ruining it for others, but greatly enhancing
their experience- because then killing would have a
better purpose (needed to make a potion or because
you have to get through some agg mobs to get this and
that) then just to get xp.
Ofcourse not.
Maybe one day. But muds are a group thing- one has to
get a certain amount of people who are interested in
creating a mud with certain goals. Not to mention the
fact that Ive never programmed even the slightest
thing on a mud- so id basically need someone to do
that. Not to mention the fact that I had been hoping i
could just find an existing structure like legend and
incorporate myself into its programming part in a
relatively short period of time. When i was on here, I
felt I was doing enough of this to be happy- i say when
because now, to me, its just a waiting game until
Sandra or some other immortal pulls the plug on my
posting and perhaps even being here.
From: Jean
Thursday, April 29, 02:28AM
in append 2, Rehetep writes:
sorry to have offended you.. not my intent.. just trying
to show how i felt about things on here at times..
talking to people..
Not the same community feeling from my experience
anyways. Flames there can be truly horrendous.
bossy ops there. and much less sophisticated
environment.
first, quoting and spam are different things. Then
theyre the same. In any case, youve yet to prove that
quoting is spam.
People responding to my posts frequently repeat what
the same type of things again and again. Until recently,
I was dealing with that rather well, but it gets a little
tedious when some people tell me the same points over
and over as if i hadnt already rebutted those points; if
theyd known, they would have responded to my
rebuttal, not brought the points up like i hadnt seen
them before- ironically, -im- the one accused of not
listening; me, who quotes practically everything a
person writes in order to -respond- to practically
everything a person writes.
Sigh. As ive mentioned many times before, I put a fair
amount of effort into xping on other muds. Its just that
after a while, it really does become old hat. If nothing
else, one should atleast be able to have the eq one can
acquire at an early level, because ive always found
getting eq items far more interesting then xping.
If youd received responses -half- as annoying as the
ones ive received, my bet is that youd have thought
me too kind.
Perhaps very briefly. But then I thought of the many
things that most of you seem to overlook. In any case,
Ive made my points on posting and on other topics in
various places (which you clearly arent writing in), so i
wont go over them here.
Assuming that thats the case, how does it make things
worse :-p?
From: Jean
Thursday, April 29, 02:33AM
in append 3, Stradivari writes:
that doesnt make sense to me. If you have a different
philosophy in writing, why not tell me before?
At my level and my knowledge of areas, its hard to
help most newbies much if theyre lost in most
locations that arent right next to tara. I too try to
motivate others to do so; its just that I choose a hey,
whats with you guys? approach. Perhaps if i was
perfect id be all hunky dory about it, but im not- i get
distressed when 3 newbies need help and no ones
helping any of them and I cant because all 3
needed/wanted help in locations i didnt know how to
get to at the time (still dont for 2 of them). The 3 cases
were- 2 of them need rescue missions and the 3rd just
wanted a little bit of a guided tour since he was new to
the mud.
Ok, look, i didnt start out negative. I actually started
out positive. But the accumulation of negative
comments to my posts did have its toll, changing my
posts to more negative as things went along.
I don t think ive been that innefective, even when
being negative- the fact that youre here talking about
it is proof to that id think.
I think pretty much exclusively towards me nowadays.
In fact, if one were to remove me from the picture,
things might even seem peaceful. The reason for this is
that currently much negative energys focused on me.
Perhaps I havent been understanding enough of why
people are the way they are on here. In fact, let me
rephrase that, I -know- I havent been. Im not perfect.
What I find interesting, however, is how even you
havent mentioned if people have been understanding
enough with me.. or whether they were heavyhanded,
arrogant, not paying attention to things im writing- ah,
there i go again, criticizing, right? but i dont think im
all wrong. What takes the cake for me is that i might be
banned because I quote a little- of all the things in the
world that could annoy, id think that thats one of the
smallest.
From: Fairfax
Thursday, April 29, 10:53AM
-laugh- Not content with annoying everyone who has read the discussion
board in recent days, you go one step further by insulting everyone else
who hasn't appended, claiming they're scared you're right. What can
I say? I append, I lose, I abstain, you win. I suppose this has
been your style all this while anyway, which is mainly why I do
not bother. You dissect my posts, and by selective reporting you
quote parts which you like, emphasise them out of context, and
proudly claim to have rebutted me. Headbutted, perhaps, rebutted..
well.. if you did so in a respectable manner, most of us would
have gladly engaged in a nice debate.. as it is, there's no
point.. I might as well try talking to a mob. Try it.. you might like
it - they don't talk back. I know I'd like it if you spent your
time bothering mobs and not players.
I can't believe I let someone annoy me so much.... but I suppose
looking at the people who have already appended, and their respectable
reputations, perhaps my annoyance is justified.
Fairfax's player
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