Posted by Wuss on 04/02
If we're gonna do with warnings, they should be classed into
several categories -- I don't see all warn-able behavior as being
on the same level.
One would be channel related warnings, be it spam, too much info,
or language. This could also apply to boards.
Second would be personal warnings from harrassment, lewd unwanted
advances towards another player. This would only include emotes,
says, yells, whispers, talks, tells, socials and anything else that
doesn't check for pk-enabledness.
Third category would relate to game abuse, such as duping, crashing
abusing, multiplaying, etc.
Personally I would like the warnings to be very separate such that
they don't correspond to each other.
Wuss
From: Thyme
Wednesday, March 31, 09:56PM
That all seems to make alot of sense to me except for one part,
the part about lewd comments to other chars. I personally agree
that such comments shouldn't be made at all, but that's beside the
point I want to make.
There are alot of people here who know the "rules" inside
and out because they have been here for a very long time. Not too long
ago I witnessed a pk'er say some things to another pk'er in a
safe room. I don't care to mention what was said, but it offended
me that people can't be mature enough to not use such language.
After talking to an immortal about this, to my surprise, there was
little that could be done about it because noone ever asked
the person to stop using the language.
The rules clearly state that offensive language will not be tolerated
on public channels and boards. However, these rules say nothing about
saying, telling, yelling, or emoting the same language.
It would seem to me that the MUD needs to come to a realization
that this is simply going to happen, whether we like or not, and I
for one have a problem with people abusing rules because they are
unclear. I think it's time we made offensive language obsolete
altogether, or we learn to live with it. But this "I can yell it if
I want to as long as I don't chat it" attitude I've seen of late
is quite rediculous.
From: Brede
Thursday, April 01, 12:43AM
Good point Wuss. Warnings should have severities. I've known people to
get warned for writing a certain 4 letter word on chat, even with 2 '-' in
the place of letters, and I hardly feel that something of this nature
should be considered on par with harassment warnings.
Maybe its just me though.
Brede
From: Brede
Thursday, April 01, 12:45AM
BTW, the - as it turned into, was meant to be an asterisk.
From: Sandra
Thursday, April 01, 07:24AM
Um, where ya been guys? Warnings DO have severities. And verbal was
also made a warn-type so that we don't end up giving people verbal
warnings over and over again.
Read help violations for all the info.
-Sandra
From: Guelah
Thursday, April 01, 07:56AM
I'm responding here to Thyme's append, referring to the incident that
he (she? sorry, don't know you) makes reference to about someone
using offensive language in a safe room.
I just want to say, first of all, I don't understand being offended by
something that was said to someone else. But if you are, so be it.
However, it seems to me that instead of seeking immortal help, you
could have asked the person to not use such language in your presence
or you could have removed yourself from the situation. In such a situation
there seems little need to look immediately to immorts for help. If people
resolve issues amongst themselves, then things may be more
amicable in the future. Also, had you asked the person not to use that lan
guage, and they persisted, you could have gotten them warned as you wanted
to. So, I simply suggest, don't necissarily run to the immorts immediately
Of course, I don't know the details of the situation, but that's my 2 cent
anyhow.
G
From: Ulric
Friday, April 02, 01:07AM
Harassment is a subject that sometimes is highly questionable.
I've seen overly sensitive players that freak out at the
littlest things and cry harassment at the slightest hint
that they feel bothered. That right there is one
of my top pet peeves. I realize that more than half of
the warnings that come from harassment are legit and needed,
but I know of a few times of where it was just a case that
someone here doesnt know how to play with others and is highly
overly senstive. I feel these people deserve warnings too,
but since that wont happen I'll continue dreaming.
I love my warning that I got for OBVIOUSLY jokingly
locking someone in my clan hall for less than 3 RL minutes.
Its just a verbal warning, but thats a clear case of
crying wolf.
From: Wuss
Friday, April 02, 01:24AM
I'm not talking severities, I'm talking different kinds altogether.
I don't think a warning for abuse of channels should count against
you if you have a warning against abusing a bug, and vice versa.
Instead, I want each of them to have their own tally, but be given
more freely. I personally don't believe 6 channel warnings to be
anywhere NEAR 1 or 2 game abuse warnings.
Severities are too arbitrary across categories -- a severe channel
abuse, imho, is not even a minor game abuse. But that's just my
opinion -- I just think temper tantrums should be seen as more
forgivable than intentional game abuse.
Of course, this allows for 'more' number of warnings a player can
tack on themselves -- however, that can easily be amended by issuing
warnings more consistently and without fail.
Wuss
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