Posted by Azash on 04/02
I can't use chat now. Everything what I heard from imms about it.
Calm down. I was calming 2 hours ago and still I can't use it.
I will say it. I don't like Sandra!!!
And hope, gag is working for everyone. Mortals and immortals.
From: Sandra
Wednesday, March 31, 07:49PM
You swore on chat then began spamming it and were warned for both
then limited. Obviously you hadn't calmed down or the limit would
have been removed.
When trying to talk with you, all I heard about was a mob not having
a quest item. Next time you have a problem with a warning you're given
use the appeal process instead of posting on a board with half the story.
Sandra
From: Adolfus
Wednesday, March 31, 07:50PM
Hhehe Azash, thats not very constructive. You gotta say what it is
she does that you don't like and not express a personal dislike
for her. And um something other than because she, oh heck whats
the term for muting someone. Anyway, oh yah the post earlier,
1. neat idea
2. I just wish they hadn't changed who so we couldn't tell who
they were and go kill them sometimes, hehe
3. neat idea, which specifically are screwed?
4. Sometimes they be in another window, or maybe you annoyed them?
5. I don't think anyone should ever blindly trust someone in power.
hrm, thats all
From: Woe
Wednesday, March 31, 08:39PM
Since you bring up the question of warnings, I would like to add my
view on the shortcomings of the warnings system.
I personally think the system is far too lenient. I'm getting sick of
idiots gloating on chat about their long history of warnings and how
nothing is ever going to happen unless they get 6 points or more within
a 6 month period. There are some people who have had so many warnings,
and continue to make the game less pleasant for others, particularly
when they are aggressive and have warnings for offences like harassment.
It seems to me that the problem lies with the fact that only warnings
in the last 6 months are counted, regardless of whether somebody actually
stopped offending or not. As I understand it, if I got a warning in Jan,
another in April, and a 3rd in July, I would technically have only 2
because the Jan one is more than 6 months old. This despite the fact
that I would never have gone for more than 3-4 months without getting
one. While I agree with people being able to wipe the slate clean after
a certain amount of time, I think they should have to go 6 month without
getting any further warnings at all before the older warnings get wiped.
In the case above, all the warnings would remain because I would never
have gone for 6 months without getting one. That might improve the
situation over the current one where people can afford to re-offend again
as soon as one of their warnings becomes 6 months old. Assuming I
understood it correctly.
I also don't think the slate should be wiped clean when people are punishe
if that happens, if somebody gets 6 points and gets punishment they
should not be allowed to start going out and re-offending again
immeditately and build up another 6 points. The current points should
remain until they have gone 6 months without a warning and if they
offend again within 6 months they should get a more severe punishment
than the previous one.
Perhaps an immort could explain whether this already happens.
From: Sandra
Wednesday, March 31, 09:16PM
Help violations explains it. While in the past we were lenient with
the warnings system, we're not any longer.
Once someone reaches 6 points and gets punished, each warning after
that gets a punishment along with it, most likely increasing over
the previous one depending on the circumstances.
From: Brede
Thursday, April 01, 12:41AM
Well its about time, I just hope that the staff can stick to it. I'm
pretty sick about hearing about people with 5, 6, 7, 8, etc warnings
and not being zapped over it. I'd just like to see some consistancy.
Brede
From: Woe
Thursday, April 01, 07:24AM
I am glad to hear it, but that leaves me feeling a bit confused
about certain people who seem to have had multiple warnings forever
(across several alts) and continue to get more and more, and yet
are still around. When you hear of somebody having 8 warnings
(because they show off about it on chat), and then they get another,
and then they get archive locked, and return and get another, then
get deleted, then archive locked again, then get another, and it seems
to go on and on...I find it a bit disheartening.
I suppose it is none of my business, yet in a way I feel it is
because I have friends suffering from the behaviour of people like
this. Seeing people who have no respect for the rules and for the
rights of others going on and on like this, and continuing to have
fun at the expense of others, behaving like jerks (including in pkill)
and reducing the fun of the game for people who do respect both
formal rules and etiquette, starts to cause a loss of confidence in
the rules and their enforcement. People who have multiple warnings
also tend to behave obnoxiously in ways that are not technically
illegal.
Of course I realise that site-ban is not a good option when others
play at the site, and I'd hate to be site-banned because of somebody
else. But if somebody is due for site-ban, surely they should at least
have ALL their characters deleted and be banned from ever having a
clanned character (as I believe there is a precedent for this). How
could anybody complain about that if they were due for site-ban
anyway?
From: LadyAce
Friday, April 02, 09:10AM
For what it's worth, percentagewise, we do not hand out very many
harassment warnings. We don't get all that many reports, and we
investigate all of them, but in general this kind of warning is
simply not very common. People who talk about having 6 or 8
warnings are by and large talking about language warnings.
With the new warning system, we should be able to deal with all
kinds of warnings, of all descriptions, in a more efficient and
fair manner. Your suggestions are welcome!
-LA
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