It was a blast while it lasted folks. Unfortunately
for everyone an immature pkiller abused me and everyone
looses. What i propose is something I had suggested on the
board awhile back. I know the imms are discussing it right
now and I know there are lots of other, more pressing things
that need to be coded... but what does everyone think of
adding to the 10 tick ooc timer for pkillers a check on
getting unclanned healing? Append thoughts and other
additions please.
Riptide - a wanderer of the deep
From: Zeppelin
Saturday, January 23, 01:05PM
Works for me, but you run into problems with create mage roots
and other beneficial spells maybe. What about making the 'beg'
skill (not social) tell if someone is pk enabled so that you
could make your triggers not work for pkers? I know this sucks
but it would solve the problem.
Maybe just make the 10 tick thing for surgery (gotta be easier
to code that) and make a 'rule' (yea another babysitting rule)
that bots can only heal with surgery?
Well, something has got to be better than nothing. I know some
immorts dislike the fact that they have to 'babysit' some of the
rules they have now, but then propagate them by refusing to make
code changes to enforce these things. Oh well...
Zep
From: Adolfus
Saturday, January 23, 01:02PM
Sounds good to me, but I don't think you should be punished.
Or help responsible for someone getting a heal from you, the pkiller
broke a rule, on purpose it would look like from what you say.
If so, knowingly using you in pkill should make the wholly responsible
If you didnt have any knowledge that they were doing anything wrong
then holding you responsible is bs. I say punish the pkiller and leave
the bot, of werent the imms discussing making bots illegal.
Is that the ruling or something? You get a warning or policy
change or what?
From: Stella
Saturday, January 23, 02:22PM
Why not only have characters online when you are able to
sit behind the keyboard? Sounds a lot easier than
changing codes, and could probably be a lot more
fun for everyone. Would also help in stopping the abuse.
Stella
From: Sandra
Saturday, January 23, 02:21PM
To clarify a few things on what happened.
One is always responsible for their character's actions. Anyone that
sets up triggers should be aware of that fact. Simply saying 'Oh,
but I was afk' doesn't cut it. I'm sorry, but it just won't, as it
will be the new excuse for everything.
I did make healing bots illegal. So that this situation doesn't
occur again.
Both pkillers were punished for what happened also. So, it wasn't
just Riptide that was punished.(Though, his punishment was less
severe than it could have been)
If you ask what I consider a bot, I'll give you my definition:
A bot is a character set up to work automatically while their
player is gone from the keyboard and they perform their actions
on anyone/everyone indescriminately. There is no way to prevent
any other instances of what happened with Riptide with anyone
else.
My personal opinions on bots aside, I was very angry with what
happened. As many people used Riptide's services, and those
people seemed content with that.
Sandra
From: Zeppelin
Saturday, January 23, 04:03PM
Mmmmm, seems to be a lack of healers in general when you
look at the pure amount of hack n slash required to level
under the new xp system. Now, with chars such as riptide
on, everyone can spend 75% of their online time sleeping.
(err chars like riptide gone)
I still say fix the xp curve -- its just not quite right
yet. THe damage done by mobs > lev 40 to chars of
the same level is just off for the amount of xp you get
vs. the amount needed to level.
Kaige pointed out how mathmatically it should work. Well,
it doesnt. I am guessing she has not leveled up a char
from 1 to 50 in a long time (and I dont mean a healer
that gets occasionly dragged along).
This isnt rocket science -- ask the players who have been
leveling chars up.
From: Mo
Saturday, January 23, 08:08PM
Mmm. By your definition it would make selective bots legal,
those that only obey a few characters' commands, or an indiscriminate
few given that ppl figure out what it is that makes the bot tick...
Well, rip, next time, if you want to bot, just hand out the keys to
your bot to only a select number of people.. it will both prevent
abuse and falling under the 'bot' category.
From: Adolfus
Sunday, January 24, 02:04AM
Well im glad that it isnt illegal for someone to set up
triggers to heal one individual. Just for clarification
if a pkiller is killing mobs for xp and using a surgeon
unclanned and the surgeon is in surgery spam, and another
pkiller comes up and backstabs them, whats the ruling
supposed to be on that.
Second, just what were you upset about Sandra? It isnt
very clear in your post.
From: Mo
Sunday, January 24, 02:10AM
Unless the pker explicitly uses the surgeon to heal during pk
i don't think there's anything special about the case you've
mentioned -- happens a lot of the time.
From: Tarn
Sunday, January 24, 02:31AM
I like the idea of a tick delay on healing after pkill.
As a (non-clanned) surgeon, I always try to remember to ask 'do you
need this surgery because of pkill?', but I occasionally forget ...
However, even if I asked 100% of the time, there is no guarantee that
the other player is not lying to me, and their need for my services is
indeed related to pkill.
I recall as a newbie player (and newbie surgeon) not knowing who was pk
and who wasn't. I have been here long enough now to have a reasonable
idea of who might be pk, but with new chars appearing/clanning/perma, etc
it can still be hard to tell. How about some way we healer types can
tell for ourselves if someone is PK or not? It would need to be non-
aggressive, as healers tend not to enable, perhaps just a line when we
look at someone?
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Tarn
From: Adolfus
Sunday, January 24, 10:49PM
Put blood on players hands noticable to anyone in same room
with them, that lasted 5 ticks or so after fighting someone.
Fighting another player that is, it wouldnt have to do anything
else other than that. It might have interesting coincequences
with just doing that, but later on it could be experimented
with, it making certain mobs aggressive or hunt you. Maybe
greater summoned could be order to hunt them down and
attack them. Maybe this shoulda been a new thread.
From: Ishtar
Tuesday, January 26, 03:57AM
I don't see how something which simply tells you that somebody was
recently involved in a fight would solve this problem, because it would
also be illegal to heal somebody who was being hunted, even though the
fight hadn't started yet. Eg. If somebody was stalking me while I was
low on hps from xp running, and wanted to jump me at a disadvantage,
I got wise to them coming and ran to an unclanned healer to heal up for
the fight, that would be cheating as I understand it- even though the
damage was from mobs and the pkill hadn't started.
I agree with Tarn's point about not knowing who is clanned with characters
changing so fast. I really feel that althought all unclanned should take
all reasonable care not to intentionally interfere in pkill, it is the
clanned character who should get the heaviest penalty if they actually
solicit services from an unclanned who doesn't know that pkill is involved
Ish
From: Adolfus
Tuesday, January 26, 01:44PM
Don't think I said it would fix the problem anywhere Ishtar
don't know where you got that. Just think it would be interesting.
