Posted by Markus on 11/30
Considered that the word in pictland is 'only' a 2nd circle word
I must say as a lowlevel mage trying to get words fast (and before
all the nice skills in the game) that I find it very hard to get.
Probably the 3rd hardest word to get considered the risk you take
being a lowlevel going in there... -thinking about evil hunters
and stuff like that-.
I believe it should be hard to get your words, but everything
has it's limit I guess, and placing a 2nd circle word in an
area that is only safe for level 35 or greater (I know the area
desc says 20 but I do not agree on this) is too much in my
opinion.
Maybe it should be considered to make this word safer to get
The guy who teaches you the word is not agg if you have a
certain item.. would it destroy the idea of giving lowlevel
mages a hard life if something similar would make the hunters
unagg?
just a thought from a frustrated not-yet-mage
From: Zeus
Tuesday, November 24, 06:27PM
good idea
From: Celia
Tuesday, November 24, 06:38PM
I agree. Learning words should be challenging, but for 2nd circle at
least, these should be challenges you can solve yourself without having
to ask for an escort. Getting words early gives a very big advantage
under the current system, and making words which people want at a very
low level impossible to get without high level help only rewards people
who give away the identity of their alts to get help or pester total
strangers to walk them to words. At the moment it seems that there is no
way to get a good level on this word without doing one of those two things
If there is a way to get around the danger without having an escort then
I take this back, but considering its possible to get all 2nd circle
words before reaching the lower level limit recommended for this area,
and getting all words as early as possible is currently extremely
significant in building a mage, I think its inappropriate.
Celia
From: Fright
Tuesday, November 24, 06:59PM
I agree especially on the statement that this is not a level 20 area.
At level 25, myself and another level 23-27 character were trying to
get me the word from this area and we both died FAST to the mobs that
have been mentioned before. The only way to get this word seems to be
with a over level 45 guide and as Celia says there are only 2 ways to
get that help and neither one of them is easy for a new character.
I would also agree that this is the 3rd most dangerous word to get next
to the hell ones. There might be more difficult words to get (quests and
so on) but none as dangerous.
The idea of making that item cause the mobs to be non-aggressive would
be great.
Fright
From: Kindra
Tuesday, November 24, 11:11PM
I think I can safely say -me too- for every mage/druid
or would-be mage/druid char on the Mud.
This word is waaaaaaaay too hard to acquire.
And I agree that this level is definitely not a level 20-30 area.
Kindra
From: Ma
Wednesday, November 25, 07:10AM
Actually it's just that we're not used to the possibility that
some mobs may not see invis! These words aren't that hard to
get but you do need a little assistance.
From: Malach
Wednesday, November 25, 12:37PM
When an alt of mine led this a while back the mobs saw invis, had det
hidden and the frequency of the ambushes was, to say the least, insane.
I'm glad this has been toned down a -lot-, however I'm not sure if the
fact that some mobs don't see invis is applicable here.
Also, it is possible to get the word without an escort, as a low level
mage. I've gotten it at level 8 or so with no help from high levellers.
However, in order to do that, prior knowledge of the area is neccessary,
in addition to luck, and high dex because I needed to flee flee flee
most of my way through. And since at level 8 it's a little hard to tell
if you meet the reqs for the word, I was extremely lucky that my mage
alt did. And the fact that a lot of climbing rooms are in the area adds
to the unwelcome excitement of it all, having gotten the word, I was left
wondering if my flight spell would hold out long enough to get me out
safely. Yes, I could/should have brought a recall potion, but it didn't
occur to me at the time.
So I guess what I'm saying here is that it IS possible t for a low level m
mage to get the word in question, but it's also just a wee bit too
difficult considering it's a 2nd circle word.
Just my two cents.
From: Chimera
Wednesday, November 25, 01:22PM
I've got a char who got it solo. It's actually really easy.
Explore more. There's a way =)
Chim
From: McDonald
Wednesday, November 25, 04:45PM
Think the thing to realize is that for someone who isn't an imm
who don't really need to explore, that its pretty much death to
even try to explore the area for an inexperienced player.
Don't be afraid to break out the level 1's when you need to
explore a dangerous area :P
From: Zeus
Friday, November 27, 12:36PM
Using a dif char to explore and area (especially a lev 1) is
pretty close to multi-play, ie using one char to benefit another.
It is definatelly crossplaying. If this is the aim the putting
the word there, well fine by me crossplaying doesnt bother me
in the least. However, some players and immorts discourage it
highly. Thoughts....
From: McDonald
Friday, November 27, 05:29PM
heh, would it satisfy you if later on this level 1 did level up to 50?
Your learning the area for the first time, as a newbie who dont know
where the dts are even. When faced with this situation, where a
person is going into an area they know is death, if they want to
start a new char to explore more power to em I say. Of course
you all proper and playing buy the rules would go in there with
your high level and check it out first right? Anyway you know how
it is with new players if they don't like it there gonna leave
anyway, so they say screw the rules a lot. Luckily we don't get
many L50 spamming the boards with profanity too often.
Mostly thats limited to the pissed newbies.
Im not much of a NPH but I helped two new players in the last day
or so just begging for help and noone would give them the time
of day. You gotta remember how hard this mud is to pick up for
new players and help em out sometimes. It's like everyone is too
worried about showing out for their buddies to help anyone.
Don't scorn the stupid question, because this is a person
you can help. I swear Fatale has a smartass remark for every
stupid question. -hug- Fatale
Ok ill stop rambling, starting to see trails.
From: Celia
Sunday, November 29, 04:43AM
I'm glad to hear that there is a way to get it solo. However, I think
the point is that a low-level character is not going to go exploring in
an area when they are well below the lowest recommended level for it. Or
if they do and get themselves killed, they will just get called an idiot
for ignoring the recommended levels. That gives a big advantage to somebod
who has a high-level character already, or is willing to make a special
character just to explore and test the safety first (not sure if that
is legal or not, but I don't see how you would stop it). Ideally people
should be able to find the words they want at low levels by exploring, not
that this should be totally free of danger, but the danger here really
seems a bit much.
Celia
From: Croaker
Sunday, November 29, 10:14AM
The mobs in Pictland (with the exception of the boars)
will not attack you if you are below level 10 as long as you don't
wander into the wrong spot (i.e. the ambush). You can march straight to th
word in question (again, avoiding the boar) without fear of attack.
Because of the legitimate concerns raised here, I have upped
this minimum level to 20, so you should feel safe to get the word until
level 20 as long as you stay on track. This will not go in until the
next update / reboot.
Thanks for the feedback,
Croaker
From: Celia
Monday, November 30, 06:57AM
Thanks Croaker!
Celia
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