Posted by Arsene on 10/30
Seems parry has went from a dex skill, then to a skill for everyone,
then back, and weapons that parry keep changing in and out,
half, or more of the good dex weapons dont parry, I mean who is the
skill supposed to be for? Why not just stick it
back on all the non dagger dex weapons, and adjust it up or down
drom there instead of this constant changing of parrry to no parry,
creating more and more hoards of old weapons
From: Papercut
Friday, October 16, 02:24PM
it changed again? anyway, i personally don't see the logic of making
weapons non-parry, maybe just have -% parry bonus instead of getting
rid of them.
From: Sandra
Friday, October 16, 02:48PM
I haven't seen anything that's said parry has changed again.
No weapons were changed, except those that were done so when
parry first went in. If I've missed a post somewhere saying
that there has been a change in parry recently, or in weapons
with parry recently, by all means, correct me on it.
-Sandra
From: Zeus
Friday, October 16, 03:41PM
Demon claws changed recently.... I _KNOW_ I didnt see a post about
that.
Zeus
From: Fleance
Friday, October 16, 10:25PM
Its changed a LOT often.
weapons have went from parry to no parry, etc, who knows, woudl be nice
just armslore on the same weapon from different times gotten gives differe
nt messages.
From: Rufus
Saturday, October 17, 12:15AM
I'm not going to post every single little change in my areas. Sorry.
Two weapons, VERY POWERFUL ones, were changed because some people
thought that having these weapons be able to parry was overshadowing
lots of other weapons in the game.
Oh, and for those nit picky, I gave the demon kings 3 more hit points.
Oh yeah, and I changed it so that some of the smaller mobs in
india have 1 less strength.
Sheesh.
-Ruf
From: Creed
Saturday, October 17, 04:48PM
No offense, though i'm sure you'll take it anyway, but changing
the way a weapon works and giving a mob 3 hitpoints is a bit
different. At least in my opionon.
-Creed
From: Zeus
Monday, October 19, 10:56PM
As long as we're on the topic, and tweaking weapons is just
so easy, here's some suggestions:
trident: up the str +1, up the damage to one more than its
current weight
star sword: remove the flash spell and give it +5 to a stat
to go along with its other spell
jeweled dagger: put it back to Q5, add a +5 to a stat and give it
the weaken spell
Herne's sword: fix the rent to be comparable to its stats, ie
subract about 5k from its current, and maybe add
+30hp to it
kitty: how about a heavy version
draco spear: make it Q5
the laibon's staff: make a totally new weapon
It seems that everyone has the same weapons in each fight style
almost. Most con fighters use a heavy brahman, most dex/perc
type use a sharp wit (or an old gae-bolg, but we wont go there),
most str fighters use a demon claw or serrated.
I personally like variety and think there should be about 4 to 5
of each type of weapon that is the best, or very comparable.
Zeus
From: Danar
Monday, October 19, 11:37PM
Erm...I like variety as much as the next, but I think most of the changes
you've suggested aren't really THAT necessary, especially the str weapon
mods: strength already has the most options re weapons, and Herne's sword
mods: strength already has the most options re weapons, and Herne's sword,
at 5k less rent and +30 hp, would be quite a bit better IMHO than the
silver serrated. I'd switch in a heartbeat, considering it would allow me
to carry marigolds, hellebores, spam gear and perma light without going
overrent OR significantly changing the quality of my weapon, with more hp
thrown in for free. And the whole point of the star sword was (as far as
I could see) the blinding flash; it's a nasty sword that looked
overpowered to a lot of people at first glance but that in practice can
get you killed faster than an improperly applied clapper. Also, I really
think the draco spear quest is a bit too easy to be q5: those kinds of
weapons are supposed to be HARD.
Basically, I've seen a lot of good pkillers wielding a lot more weapons
than you've stated. Strength has quite a few good weapons to choose from
already without tooling up Herne, dex fighters get to take the spell
effect that corresponds to their fighting style, and con fighters...well,
fighters get lots of respect from other fighters because of their HP
values, but that's about it. We could maybe use a couple nice clubs...
Now, if you want weapons that are BETTER then the good weapons available,
I'm still pushing for a club that makes your opponent forage when you hit
and a stunning sword with magic sink. ;P
Danar
From: Prospero
Tuesday, October 20, 08:10PM
Good suggestions, well some, but geez, talk to players about
changes and pkill, and lofty discussions we cant understand, ask
for the moon. Would be nice to see a variety of weapons,
maybe nicer if half the dex weapons out there that were usable
, well 2 out of 4 parry, while well, who knows what parries now
change weapons, and you coudl be giving away a treasure cause it will change
next day.
If you dont want weapons overshadowing others, just make others better,
The gae wasnt giving dex fighters superiority, but changing it
makes it nearly useless for fighting weapon mobs or pkilling now
You just totally emasculated a wepaon cause no one
was using wits or wormys, or serpents, make them better, or
make the jewel dagger better.
What does it hurt as long as the weapon is
only q5, net 5, and one effect, with a rent corresponding to its weight/da
attributes, make weapons people WANT to use
not ones they cant
From: Zeus
Wednesday, October 21, 02:22PM
I'd like to respond to Danar's append:
As far as lots of options existing, especially for str fighters,
well I say there are "some" options -- but there can never be TOO
many options, as long as they are balanced.
And, for you point about the Herne's changes I suggested making
it an overpowered weapon -- are you sure?
You would be giving up +5 stat points, +9damroll points to
gain 30 HP and save 2500 rent. I call that fair. Did you forget
that a sword exists that is +5 stat points, +damroll AND +20HP
for less rent than your Vlad's sword?
Just a few comments - I appreciate feed back and anyone else who
has new and/or improved weapons suggestions PLEASE append them.
This is, ya know, a discussion board. Yeah, yeah I know the idea
command works, but this way other players can see your suggestions
and comment on them.
Zeus
From: Danar
Wednesday, October 21, 10:56PM
hrm. Okay. I thought you meant +30 hp and slash rent in addition to the
original sword. Sorry. Confused.
Danar
From: Celia
Thursday, October 22, 07:44AM
I do find it very peculiar when people say that high quality
weapons are 'useless', or that such and such a character type
has been 'eliminated' as an effective type etc just because
its possible that there is a slightly more powerful combination.
As I said, I fight with a con weapon, and often solo several
level 50 mobs in a row without healing, including one that gives
40k xp- yet I am supposed to believe that I am ineffective and my
weapon is unuseable?
Ideally there would be several high-quality weapons for each fight
stat which are equivalent in potential but do different things.
I do think that any change to weapons should be announced (or at
least it should be announced that some minor changes have been made
to some equip in an area).
As far as strength having lots of options, I have actually been
put off building strength fighters because it seems that many of
the best strength weapons are either align restricted or extremely
hard to get compared to dex and con weapons. That may not be quite so
true anymore, but I don't think that strength fighters are especially
spoiled for choice when you consider some of the restrictions that
apply.
Celia
From: Prospero
Friday, October 23, 04:30PM
You can kill mobs with almost anything with a 100 stat, and since you
arent talking pkill, I am, try to fight in pk without 100 dex and
using a con weapon as a fighter, see how far you get. Well,
at least you can probably parry , more than most snipers
the claw and serrated are very good weapons for pkill, far outdoing
the gae as a crossover comparison.
The wormy parries, but it is light and the special is useless
the serpent dagger is very useless, the wit , well its not
worth the use of the slot.
There is no real sniper weapon but an old gae.
From: Danar
Saturday, October 24, 03:57AM
hrm. I kinda understand what you're saying, Prospero, but what I don't
really follow is what you said about the wit. The sharp wit is a high-dam
dex weapon without any specials, which sounds a lot like a silver serrated
sword. Is the lack of stat points the only objection you have?
Of course the old gae-bolg was a true sniper's weapon; it had a special
that was perfectly suited to a shooter. Again, the q5 str weapons, by and
large, don't have spell effects at all...
Danar
From: Celia
Saturday, October 24, 09:32AM
Prospero, you said that changing the gae-bolg 'makes it nearly useless
for fighting weapon mobs or pkill', then you say 'you can kill mobs with
almost anything'. That is a direct contradiction, implying that a weapon
which can kill mobs is useless for fighting mobs, which doesn't make sense
And elsewhere you have made comments that this or that weapon or
character type is useless, and not said that you are referring only
to pkill. This is not a pkill board, and not everybody is totally
preoccupied with how to dominate in pkill. I didn't even think you
were clanned, so there is no reason why anybody would think you are
talking only about pkill. Lots of clanned dex fighting characters
have never used a gae-bolg, and don't act like the world is coming
to an end because a weapon got 'emasculated', one which many people
have never had any opportunity to get.
Btw, nice choice of word, emasculated =P
Celia
From: Eol
Saturday, October 24, 11:26PM
Are you as dumb as you act, danar? the serrated has two hefty stat bonuse
and the claw, while doing insane damage. The wit is a total waste of a p
weapon, and celia, killing mobs is EASY, you can do it with anything,
But small differences have a way of throwing pk into a mess.
And with the recent strengthening of the serrated
the dex weapons lag behind str weapons, in a big way.
This isnt a pk board, its a board where MOSt of th esystem posts are about
in case you dont notice, so dont cop an attitude about it celia.
From: Celia
Sunday, October 25, 12:18AM
In case you didn't notice EoL thats what I said, this isn't a pkill
board, so unless you say you are referring only to pkill people will
not know it. Do you ever try reading what anybody writes before you
reply? And Prospero specifically said the gae-bolg was useless for
'weapon mobs' not just pkill, so I guess you agree that his statement
is ridiculous since you can kill mobs with anything? Glad we are in
agreement. Sheesh.
And I happen to know Danar is not the least bit 'dumb', nor does he
act it.
Most of the posts on this board are about what? Pkill? If so, I'd say
theres a good chance pkill will be taken out sooner or later, as I'm
sure the immorts have better things to do than read lots of agressive,
abusive posts from people terrified that they won't be able to rock the
pkill world any more due to some change. Of course imbalances in pkill
should be pointed out, but try wording it politely, and acknowledging
that this is just a problem for pkill and doesn't affect everyone, you
might get further.
Celia
From: Deirdre
Sunday, October 25, 09:29AM
Ok, lessee...first-yes, the serrated sword does have two good stat bonuses
But it also has a -stat, and it's renty. The Gae-Bolg, for slightly less r
rent, as I recall, also has a decent stat bonus and an extremely useful sp
special. As for the wit, it does the same damage as the bolg with
significantly less rent. Which makes it extremely useful for characters wh
who can't yet rent the bolg. Additionally, the serrated sword is alignment
restricted, which neither the wit nor the bolg are. I've never used a demo
demon's claw personally, so I can't really comment on it. Do the wit or th
the bolg do as much damage as the better swords? No, and it's a good thing
they don't, otherwise being a strength fighter would be pointless. Still,
with nine attacks with the bolg or the wit versus five for the serrated,
those two dex weapons can do -almost- as much damage as the
sword, which isn't bad. I've seen dex fighters with bolgs get
"rip to shreds" messages more than once.
Maybe with the loss of parry the bolg should lose a little rent-say
500 or so. But either way, it's still a damn good weapon, and my dex
fighters are still going to use them.
Deirdre.
From: Eol
Tuesday, October 27, 05:12PM
claw, serrated and gae all have similar rent, the minus on the serrated is
ont that str fighters laugh at, The wit has no stats and no special,
a waste to a lvl 50. You try fighting vs a parry sword with
a no parry gae and see what happens.
Its extremely absurd, stupid, etc.
From: Danar
Friday, October 30, 03:12AM
Awright, Eol, 1. If I wanted argument ad hominem, I'd chat something
about the Dark Guppy. Injecting random insults into your diatribe is
unlikely to endear many people to your viewpoint.
2. My point was, the wit does about as much damage as you could
reasonably expect a dex weapon to do, and I can rent it over and above my
full eq list, so I'm not sure why you would consider the gae-bolg the only
solution to your problem unless you just having basically a custom-
tailored special (which, incidentally, no other char type really has, so
far as I can see). As for the 'insane damage' factor of the serrated:
well, duh. That's kinda what str weapons DO. Dex fighters get their
impressively violent backstabs, and con fighters at least have headbutt,
which has a guaranteed stun when it hits, but the ONLY reason str fighters
compete is sheer damage capability. If it were a DEX weapon, THEN it'd
have insane damage.
Danar
(actually, guppy jokes tend just to get yawns now. I'd have to call Payne
some sort of nasty fish, I guess.)
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