Posted by Prospero on 10/10
The logic of denying the ability to do a whole area that takes a lot of
effort to assemble a group and get to a certain point because a key gets
destroyed about 1/3 of the time is beyond me. If you want to make an area
less easy to run, or eq harder to get, make it harder to get, just dont
surreptiously yank it or, make it go away thorugh no fault of the group.
From: Rufus
Thursday, October 08, 03:35AM
I designed it that way, in fact, all three keys originally could
be scrapped. I took two out. It was another means of limiting
hard to get eq.
And with the exception of Arsene, I've probably led more SL groups and
have never had it scrap.
They keys being scrappable is as designed. And if you'd really like,
and suggest that I yank shadowlands, I'll be glad to.
-Ruf
From: Terrizano
Thursday, October 08, 09:55AM
Considering that I have a few alts that love running SL I think
that high level folks clanned and non-alike would detest the possibility
of the 'yanking' of probably the best-yielding xp area left.
Course I'm just an silly old Islamic mage
Terrizano -- the Dark Mage of Allah
From: TerrorSpawn
Thursday, October 08, 11:34AM
Well, this char prolly hasn't led as many runs as Arsene, but
overall I would most likely be close, and I've never had it scrap.
Even in groups where all 5 hitters were str fighters.
-TS
From: Papercut
Thursday, October 08, 07:18PM
Is that your approach to everything, if you don't like it, i'll yank it?
If it is, we can start by yanking the xp scale change... :)
From: Fleance
Thursday, October 08, 07:39PM
since say august, Ive been maybe 20 times, scrapped 3, seen scraps from
previous runs twice, and had it heavily or falling apart
numerous times, before this summer, had never had it scrap,
but it seems to scrap now.
From: Shine
Thursday, October 08, 08:44PM
Hmm, I can't for it, that str fighters scraps items.. Maybe I
was the man, who scrapped it.. Maybe it will happen again, when
I will go there...
Maybe will be better, when witches and another mobs with keys will
attack ppl whom aren't str fighters.
Dunno.
Shine, the son of Aaron
From: Papercut
Friday, October 09, 12:30AM
It's like running SL to get the crimson cloak and see it scrap.
Two ways of going about that. One, oh well. Two, try it with different
hitter groups... I'm sure the key's just like any other item in the
game... pound it with con, and it'll survive... pound it with str/dex,
it'll go bye-bye.
From: Prospero
Friday, October 09, 04:51AM
hehe, they choose to eliminate the con fighter as an effective
character a long time ago.
From: Prospero
Friday, October 09, 04:55AM
Oh well could we move the Sl repop time down a little , say 5 or
6 rl hours
From: Celia
Friday, October 09, 06:37AM
'Con fighters are not effective' is news to me, I get xp faster
with this con fighter than with any of my other characters.
I have switched between con, str and dex weapons, but con skills
and a con weapon seem to work as well or better than anything else.
Celia
From: Marlow
Friday, October 09, 12:44PM
you are doing something wrong then.
From: Tsagoi
Friday, October 09, 05:01PM
On average, without fight skills my str fighters do twice as much
damage as my con fighters. -shrug-
From: Tsagoi
Friday, October 09, 05:03PM
-grumble link- Both having the same dex and ac, I could always
kill more with my str fighters.
-Tsagoi
From: Papercut
Friday, October 09, 06:12PM
Personally, I prefer str over dex, and dex over con, but that's just me.
In my experience, con fighters have always been a hassle, since their
strategy usually is to 'outlast the opponent by being able to sustain more
damage' instead of 'outlast the opponent by delivering more.' As a player
who devoted most of his time playing fighter chars, that approach usually
nets me with the following result:
Con chars spend longer time regenning
If it was such that con fighters could regen hps from 0% to 100% at the
same amount of time a str fighter can regen his hps from 0% to 100% (or
faster) then i guess it'd actually be advantageous in having such chars.
Papercut
From: Gangrene
Friday, October 09, 08:46PM
maybe it's that fire thing that scraps the witch keys?
dunno.
Gangrene
-clueless-
read board 28
oops
From: Celia
Friday, October 09, 09:27PM
I am referring to the choice of weapon and skills, not stats as straight
fighters can easily get high scores in all three fight stats. I have
around 100 con/str and everybody told me to use a strength weapon, but
after extensive testing I found that the mobs took less rounds on average
to die with my con weapon, when hitting alone without using skills.
I have found warcry and headbutt to do be more effective in many
cases than bash and elbow.
If I am doing the wrong thing fine, if it was any easier to kill most
mobs than it is now, it wouldn't be fun :P
You are right about the regen problem, but it doesn't bother me
because I just go afk while sleeping to regen.
Celia
From: Prospero
Saturday, October 10, 03:06AM
I've done extensive testing, arms lore, math, and a lot,
100 con/str if you arent using a str weapon, you are seriously
denying yourself a lot of damage.
And uhm, use headbutt or warcry while using the str weapon
too, didnt say the skills sucked, using the weapons suck
And use the right weapons too.
From: Celia
Saturday, October 10, 10:11AM
I AM using the 'right' weapon, the one I like best of all the ones
I've tried, one which is highly effective, about 40% less rent than
a strength weapon, and doesn't scrap equip :P
Celia
From: Mo
Saturday, October 10, 05:11PM
Without using any skills, str weapons won't hit often enough, especially
when you are str/con. Heavy weapons in general do not connect as well as
light weapons given the same hitroll.
However, if you are str/con, not using a str weapon does deny you a lot of
damage if you are using skills. The exact amount will still depend on
your hitroll, but the difference can be up to two dam msgs. (While you may
get decimates with a con weapon, under the same circumstance, you could
be hitting the damcap, for example)
But if you are not landing those skills all that efficiently, it pays
off to have a weapon with more swings, as low hitroll will not harm you
as much. This is especially true when fighting mobs that have the
tendency to parry :)
Mo
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