The previous message seems to have become corrupted. Here's my
contribution:
Don't assume that Marcel's "editorial" reflects the reasons of anyone
else who chooses to minimize channel use and uses the [X] flag to
advertise that choice.
For instance, I've got channels and tells turned off because I find it
to be a novel and challenging way to play the game. Not only am I not
distracted by conversations on channels, I'm also unaware of other
things like auctions -- which means that I have to obtain my equipment
by myself, either by defeating the mobs that have what I want, or
making do with what I can scavenge.
It also makes it easier for me to slip into character for my own
amusement. I can imagine myself as my character, because I'm not
tempted to discuss ooc topics or treat the game as a game. It feels
more immersive.
So you see, each of us plays the game our own way for our own reasons.
I don't feel that my use of the [Xflag signifies anything that is
elitist or snobby. I'm only trying to get a more immersive game
experience. I'm having a great time.
From: Marcel
Monday, July 23 2001, 11:43AM
My so-called "editorial" comprises the views of those of us who
initially were talking and decided to use the label [X] to
chant vid ex ourselves.
Since then, the concept has been adopted by many whereof a good deal
are people I do not know and have not talked to on the subject.
I think it fair to read [X] without the original "editorial" now,
as simply meaning, 'This person has most or all channels off,
might be most conveniently approached face to face."
-Marcel, snob and elitist by apparent definition.
From: Marcel
Monday, July 23 2001, 11:46AM
Not chanting... but you get the point, even if I really should
kill all aliases -- or not attempt to post before the second
pot of coffee.
From: Benjamin
Monday, July 23 2001, 06:10PM
If so, that's what it should have been introduced as. And I think the
choice of "X" reflects an adults-only attitude, so maybe something else
would have been more appropriate to this so-called "courtesy" you are
so graciously paying everyone by ignoring them.
Ben
From: Soze
Monday, July 23 2001, 09:06PM
if you find yourself so lucky being ignored by these people who out
of courtesey indicates that they are not listening to some channels
I -really- fail to see why you are whining? pretty please enlighten us?
but again, if you look at yourself, you might see the reason
why -I- personally don't watch most channels
From: Soze
Monday, July 23 2001, 09:11PM
last post directed at Benjamin, just to make sure I step on the right toes
From: Marcel
Monday, July 23 2001, 09:13PM
This dispute seems to have deteriorated into a contest between on
one side, the people who feel they'd rather have channels off, and
on the other, those who feel that they have a right to be heard.
I refuse to dignify any further posts by Ganymede and his alts with
a response.
From: Soze
Monday, July 23 2001, 09:15PM
noooooooo more mudflinging
From: Ganymede
Monday, July 23 2001, 10:03PM
For one thing, I don't see where any insults have been flung here. I
don't see anybody here as -being- elitist, I only see the behavior we
are discussing that way. You are free to interpret my words as mindless
mudslinging if you like, Marcel. If you are unable to participate in
a meritous debate on the subject, simply say so. I don't think having
a mature discussion on subjects like this is asking very much.
Lastly: Kindly refrain from insinuating who my alts are on a public
board. Just because you are free with your own alts doesn't mean I
wish to have my own broadcast all over.
Ganymede et al.
From: Ganymede
Monday, July 23 2001, 10:08PM
Incidentally, since Marcel can't hold a simple back-and-forth discussion
when it smacks of criticism, this goes for anyone else. I love a good
debate, and I will discuss the merits of my arguments in a frank and
mature manner with anyone, no matter who they are.
Ganymede et al.
From: Yui
Tuesday, July 24 2001, 11:32PM
gr pc
operate solomon many of these issues remind me of
that movie the Postman. There is some
young kid who is told to go flush
out the escaping Kevin Costner.
The kid finds Costner and is about
to yell the location of Kevin so
Kevin kills him and the kid in disbelief
looks up and asks why..
(ACK gr pc;operate solomon is my so alias)
So many times in chat/gossip or in
pk issues I see this same mentality.
I jump a party of 4 AA's as an AA and
I just expected to fight that one guy
why did the others attack? I spew
crap all over the channels and now
no one listens to me, why don't they
listen to me?
I wonder if the kid in his dying breath
had a smidgen of a clue why Kevin
killed him in that movie. Thinking
about it.. I'd have to say alas, no
he never got it.
Random thoughts,
Yui
From: Elisa
Wednesday, July 25 2001, 11:48PM
In my objection to the use of [X], I am not demanding to be heard, nor
sore because I am not. I suspect that many of those who turn off all
channels have individually gagchannelled me anyway ;)
The reason I dislike it, is because refusing to communicate with a large
part of the the mud is inherently exclusive. Whether your intentions
are purely courteous of not, it is altogether too easily interpreted as
your refusing to deal with those outside your clique.
It is this exclusivity that leads some to feel that the [X] is elitist
and snobby.
From: Reynard
Thursday, July 26 2001, 12:12PM
I was playing with channels off for a short time before [X] was
announced, and I gladly adopted it for my own reasons.
Nobody accused me of being exclusive (as if I'm diminishing people by
not listening to them) or snobby, because nobody knew that I was
incommunicado. Now that I've put [X] in my title, not only am I
identified with some 'clique' (ridiculous -- I'm a complete loner),
but I'm tarred with the same brush as elitist and snobby.
In addition, I haven't been approached even once ic because I have
[X] in my title, so it's hardly some identifier for people of
this clique to seek each other out.
Can't you just accept that some of us -- for whatever reason --
don't wish to monitor channels and only wear [X] so as not
to confuse anyone else?
Further, can't you see that castigating people for not conversing
with you is a trifle -- hm, what's the word? Selfish? Egocentric?
That's what the bottom line is. You can claim that I'm bringing
down the community of Legend, but people turn off channels all the
time. They always have, since Legend was online. That's why the
channels have an off switch, fer cryin' out loud. Don't get upset
when people use it.
From: Marcel
Thursday, July 26 2001, 10:28PM
Essentially, everything Reynard said (again). Must meet this guy.
And one addition: No one is refusing to communicate with anyone.
They're just refusing to do it on some or all channels.
--Marcel
