Posted by Adolph on 02/24
lets define, legendary..
to me, a legendary char is one that has made a serious impact
on this mud, in one of many, many ways. Such as pk, rp, or as Chris said,
simply talking on chat. I think we're placing to much emphasis on
rp and pk. I for one, have spent over six years on this mud,
with very few breaks from it, playing several times a week,
several times a day at times.
I'm not, by any means, saying this rates me having an LoP mob.
What I am saying, is that a players dedication to this mud,
after changes they hate, should be considered much more than it is now.
I think someone like me, should have a little edge over
someone like, say.. Craven, that has given up on this mud
and moved on to other things. Yet, I garuntee Craven would be
instantly approved should he ever apply, just because he was a great
pkiller. It just doesn't make much sense to me, we can't all
be great pkillers, and we can't all be great roleplayers. So those
of us who aren't, what reward do we get from playing thousands of hours
on a char, only to see people that have quit the mud altogether
inducted effortlessly as mobs?
This is a touchy subject for me, so I'll stop before I say
something I shouldn't.
Adolph, The Unknown.
From: Testboy
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 06:51AM
How bout adding LOL mobs? Losers of LegendMUD!
From: Fraegis
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 10:46AM
Legends become legends by being known. Either for pk, rp or something
completely different, but usually not by being around a lot though
never being seen or heard.
I like the idea of LoL mobs, you would certainly get my vote,
Testboy. You often seem to be the very incarnation of the title.
Fraegis
From: Cumference
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 10:56AM
We can't all be great PKers, and we can't all be great roleplayers.
We also can't all be Legends...
From: Testboy
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 11:07AM
I knew I'd get your vote Fraegis, but do they count votes from retards?
From: The
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 01:27PM
Main Entry:legendary
1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of legend or a legend
2 : WELL-KNOWN, FAMOUS
The words legend and legendary refer to any person or achievement whose fa
fame promises to be enduring. It's about the telling of legends and
about stories that are told and retold.
When thinking about a char becoming an LoP, you might ask yourself:
Has this character been involved in events that everyone remembers
and continues to talk about? Are they someone who SHOULD be remembered
long after they have stopped playing? Has this character, through his
or her greatness, inspired others to try harder or to learn more about
the mud?
In my opinion, the whole purpose of LoP is to preserve the memory
of those who were famous within our small community.
From: Zalbag
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 03:06PM
He may have a point, there are plenty of people i know
who have characters that were legendary in the past, but since they havent
been played in ages, they aren't legendary now.
i can name a few examples: Gareth and Huma.
Two people who i think qualify for LOP status but since they havent been
around as some of their other chars or the fact they arent known today
wouldnt let them have LOP status.
Now I dont think that is fair to people like them who have done a lot for
the mud in their time frame, but well that was in the past and i guarantee
half the people dont know what kind of actions they have done in the past
and they would just judge them on the fact of knowing their alts
which also isn't fair. cause well thats judging them by their alts actions
not them. so i think the process is screwed up somewhere, and needs to be
fixed a little bit.
Zalbag
From: Madison
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 04:55PM
Hey Zalbag, what about me? I helped teach you how to pk. Wait a minute,
that might be why you're such a terrible pk'er.
Please disregard this append.
Madison...the never conversational and not quite so legendary
From: Zalbag
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 04:57PM
actually not you but your alt taught me everything and i know
plenty of alts you have that were legendary back in the day!
but i suppose you're the only one people might remember!
its a lose lose situation!
From: Bruson
Tuesday, February 20 2001, 10:04PM
I think some of you are jumping to too many conclusions about who would or
would not get into LOP. A few of the characters who were added to the old
HOL cast when LOP went in - like Mercenary and Crowe - had been gone for
several years when they were put in. True, they had put in applications to
HOL and Flagg never got around to adding them for whatever reason, but
still: just because a char has been gone or inactive for awhile doesn't
mean it has no chance of getting put in.
You might think Character X should be in LOP, but the question is, have
they applied yet?
Bruson
From: Zalbag
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 12:11AM
nah the fact of the matter is Bruson they were already accepted
so if the imms denied that, it would be kinda screwy! and nah i know some
friends who have been denied into LOP already. anyways, my point is
people will forget about certain people and only records they have of tha
t person may very well be their alts which isnt fair cause thats crossplay
ing
From: Boreas
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 12:16AM
If they truly are legendary, then they won't be forgotten in a paltry
few years. That is the point of a Legend--they weren't just popular in
their time, but remain popular years after they are gone.
From: Kurt
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 12:20AM
I would LOVE to see a vote on say Ainur, or even Dusty, and I'd like
tto see how many people that are currently playing on this mud
remember all there wonderful exploits, or there 'valulable contribution'
to this mud. My guess is, you people have no idea who Deathstalker,
Ramadan, Dew, Sune, Ainur, Eva, Rachael are. Very interesting.
Kurt Angle
From: Zalbag
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 12:21AM
sometimes people do actions that will be remembered at that time Boreas
can you honestly remember the first group that went on SL?
i think thats a legendary feat considering he is still even around
hell he has his description for it
but i guarantee 85% of the people here cant ermember two members of the fi
first group that went to SL cause you know why that was in the past at tha
time
are you saying something like that isnt legendary?
From: Arn
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 02:34AM
What's so legendary about taking a group of people into sl and
getting them all killed?
I can do that now. Don't think i'd be a legend because of it.
From: Adolph
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 05:15AM
thank you for making my point, Kurt. people like ainur
and deathstalker are simply mobs to 99% of the legendmud
playerbase. Most don't even realize they used to be mortals.
and to be honest, those people played so long ago, most
would have no chance of remembering them. I remember most,
but not others, even though I played with them, years ago.
and to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't consider most
of them legendary. so they had an annoying, deadend, repetitious
roleplay that we all came to know them by, that makes them legendary?
I think not.
here's my idea of legendary.
Barabas
Papercut
O'bedlam
I could go on and on, but I'll just leave those as an example.
what I don't see as legendary.
Aginor
Tancred
etc..
anyway, these are my opinions, which mean nothing at all.
but, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to rp fighting
a losing battle for centuries, which all started because
of some stupid mob that morphs into other stupid mobs.
I think I'll go make a pk'er named "Baaaa" and multi anyone who ever
kills sheep.
Adolph, still unknown.
From: Sandra
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 08:41AM
What point? When LoP was made, I made it known that all of the replicas
from HoL were automatically being put into it. Maybe most don't remember
some of those characters now, that's fine really. But I don't agree
that they aren't legendary. People may not remember the character,
but they still use what some of those characters started.
Deathstalker? He created the antipaladins. The first real 'evil'
pkilling clan.
Eva? She was one of the creators of the Grendels as a pk clan.
Sylia? Her fight styles and ideas are -still- used here on a
daily basis.
So, did they make an impact on you all? I think it's safe to say
that they did. Whether you realize it or not.
-Sandra
From: Akai_Hayate
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 01:03PM
Eva? grendels? who gives a damn about grendels!
From: Leper
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 04:21PM
You telling me a WOMAN started the grendels :p
From: Rufus
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 06:30PM
Actually it was one of eva's alts who founded the grendels. Eva was
a big player in the early days of the hermetics, and was really
a character to be known at the time. She fought alongside the
likes of Sylia, Bremmar and the ilk (sune, dew, etc)
-Ruf
From: Rufus
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 06:31PM
But as far as who started the grendels, if I remember right, the character
break out was 3 females and 2 males.
-Ruf
From: Christopher
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 07:49PM
Just because a WOMAN character started the Grendels
gives no indication of who the player was.
It could have been a woman, it could have been a guy
I could have been an ape typing random keys
with the mystical odds that actually formed
not only complete sentaces in context, but also allowed
for great PK.
Just because you're too dimwitted to play a character
of the opposite sex (I know I am) doesn't mean there
are others who can't crossgender play.
From: Kurt
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 08:57PM
Then I think you would have to agree Sandra, that even though the
people like DeathStalker, Sylia, and Eva aren't known now, they
made an impact in the past. thats EXACTLY what I'vebeen saying.
Some people, who made an impact, WILL NOT WIN ANYTHING if the
mud playerbase votes for them, because frankly, they're un-
remembered. Thats the problem. And I'm glad you agree with
me and the rest of the people that have been saying it, now
try fixing it.
Kurt Anglew
From: McDonald
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 08:59PM
Who was in the first SL group? I don't remember myself. Who was
supposed to be the group leader? I led the first group that got
slaughtered. Then it was toned down a couple times. Then the
builder led a group through.
There should be a nomination process, and also probably a vote.
Sorta like the poll process. I don't like the idea of putting
in application for my characters. Maybe it should work like
hall of fame, everyone nominates names, then mud votes. Anyone
that gets a certain percentage could then be approved or
disapproved of by imms. Or the person could get a chance to come
up with particulars of descriptions or something.
From my time on this mud I figure I would probably be declined,
and the nominating self thing just sucks. So I can deal without
having a character in it I guess.
From: Fear
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 09:23PM
any char who gets past the immortal process will get voted in.
it means new eq. -shrug-
From: Sandra
Wednesday, February 21 2001, 10:03PM
In response to Kurt:
There are a few characters I would like to see in Legends of the Past.
Most likely though, it'll never happen because those players no longer
play here, and I have no way to contact them.
Yes, I agree to a point that something like that can be a problem.
It's sad when we lose parts of our history, but there isn't any
simple solution as far as LoP is concerned.
HoL, which is where Deathstalker, Eva and Sylia(formerly Dew and
Sune) came from, is why those replicas are in LoP. Had I started
completely from scratch, chances are things may have been different.
Two of the players no longer play here.
I think that the reason the older replicas are 'not remembered' is
because there was really no way given TO remember them.
As for the last statement in your append, I have nothing to fix.
The area is in NOW. Not years ago.
In response to Fear:
I stated it pretty clearly when I announced Legends of the Past
that not all replicas will have stat eq. That still holds true.
So for anyone that just votes yes because they have that thought
in the back of their mind, don't bother. You'll be disappointed.
To anyone else with questions:
If you think someone should apply, have them do so. I havent,
and I won't, put a replica in without their player applying,
being approved, and being polled. No matter how much I, or
anyone else, thinks someone should be in the area.
-Sandra
From: Fear
Thursday, February 22 2001, 05:58AM
Well, Aginor and Nothing got in, Tancred is a shoe-in. I might
be wrong, I'm a bit behind the ligend times these days,
but I can't think af anyone who's lop'd since it went in that
hasn't gotten stat eq, and pretty good stat eq at that. Again, apologies
if I'm wrong.
Anyway, in all honesty, I'm probably bitter that my alt was
rejected, moreso at the reasons. But that is in the past, maybe
I'll try to build a char that meets your legendary standards. It
just seems to me that the rp involved in diong such is more of a pain
in the ass then anything. To effectively rp, you have to
not let your personal emotion about things, and that's my biggest
problem.
I'm rambling again, will shut up now.
Fear.
From: McDonald
Thursday, February 22 2001, 11:39PM
Well part of the reason I said it might be nice to have a nomination
process. Is because obviously the immort approval would be the
hardest step I think. Why have an easier step after the hard step.
Maybe in conjunction with the expies there could be a spot for
writein which characters you think should have a replica. These
names could then put in legendary times just to notify the person.
Notify them that they were nominated that is, and of course they
would still need to make the application good. No point in writing
this though...
From: Tancred
Saturday, February 24 2001, 12:31AM
Anyone getting past the immortals are not a "shoe-in", and I
was most certainly not a "shoe-in", seeing as I got shot down in
the poll.
This does not inspire any bitterness in me. It just tells me that
one out of two things (or possibly a combination) are wrong with
me. First, I have been gone for about four months, and a good deal
of newer players probably don't have the faintest clue as to who
I am and what I represent -- and thus no reason to consider me
legendary. Secondly, I may simply not BE legendary.
And then what? Then nothing. Can't win them all. Life goes on.
-Tancred
From: Zalbag
Saturday, February 24 2001, 12:58AM
now Tancred, i consider you legendary. you have been around through my upb
upbringing as a player. you have done many marvelous things with RP
i respect what you have done, i just think the process is flawed due to th
fact the recent players DON'T know who you are, but hey thats the only par
t i think is flawed.
Zalbag
From: Dusk
Saturday, February 24 2001, 10:28AM
Isn't the point here, new players 'should' know who he is?? Because
people would talk about him, even though he is gone for 4 monhts
I mean, no offense tancred, but i have no clue who you are...
-shrug- if you fail in the polls... its for a good reason.
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