Posted by Legolas on 07/30
I received 2 warnings the other night for saying
the less accepted form of "crap" on my clan channel
after dying in the act of helping someone.
The first warning came after i said the word, while
the second warning came after i asked why i got a warning
for saying the word - saying the word again in the process
Danar told me the line had to be drawn somewhere,
and the imms chose language.
Thats all good with me, but the problem is - all imms don't
respond the same.
While that old dude was permaing characters left and right,
someone was sitting in the room, making fun of anyone
who tried to ask who the guy was.
In this taunting - the F word was used about 6 times.
While all this was going on, Cheyla was just sitting there, listening
I got 2 warnings for saying a mild word on a clan channel only
1 person was listening to.
This other guy got nothing for saying the F word to insult
someone 6 times.
I read the rules - Any non-directed speach (says,yell,chat) has to be clea
n
Yeah - i messed up by saying a mild word, and got called on it
But this puke said the F word 6 times to insult
while in the presence of an imm, and got nothing
If the imms want to crackdown - they all have to do it
not just some
Thanks a bunch,
Lego
From: Tobias
Saturday, July 22, 08:00PM
Ouch...that kinda sucks...
-Tobias
From: Dun
Saturday, July 22, 10:45PM
You know, you dont get warnings for using say, talk, tell, ask, whisper, o
or anything else everyone doesnt see
-unless- you are asked to stop and continue.
Thats all, have a nice day.
-Dun Foal -=Effin Pissed=-
From: Jesus
Saturday, July 22, 11:39PM
see board 44 1, I appended to the wrong damn thread :p
From: Cheyla
Sunday, July 23, 12:41AM
Yes, I was sitting in the room. Yes, Dun is correct, foul language in
says/talks/tells/gtells is allowable until someone complains. Nobody
complained (and if they did, I was so spammed, I didn't see it - heck,
I didn't even see the foul language). I was also at work at the time and
dealing with other things.
I was not the only immortal on at the time. Had somebody had a problem
with tha language being used off the channels at that time, there were
a number of imms they could have complained to. It is my guess that
nobody did.
Keep in mind that we are human, Legolas. One chat with vulgarity may
make it by because we missed it - we deal with a large amount of spam
much of the time (just think, we can see all channels - which includes
all clan channels, and we have a variety of immortal-only channels as
well) and the screen scroll can get so horrid we can very easily miss
something, especially if our attention is divided with something else...
like work, family, a tv show, another window, or any number of other
things (for me, it was between work and trying to convince the guy to
take some time to think before he perma'd more characters and
had more regrets, since I am sure he already is regretting it).
Cheyla
From: Kae
Sunday, July 23, 06:54AM
Actually, that was me saying the line has to be drawn somewhere.
But in any case, as long as no one is asking the person to stop
using bad language in private conversation - that's basically
anything that's not a channel - no one is going to do anything
about it. Yells are borderline, I believe - personally I'd warn
for them, depending on the situation.
However, if you feel that Danar and I treated you unfairly,
you still have the option of contacting Dominic (head admin) or
Kaige (implementor), to appeal your case, just as we both pointed
out the night in question. Warnings DO get repealed when it's
judged that the immortal in case was too quick on the fingers.
-Kae
From: Legolas
Sunday, July 23, 05:25PM
Actually Kae, I did talk to Dominic - he said
he'd get back to me the next day after he read the email
but never did.
Guess the system doesn't work after all.
From: Mitsukake
Sunday, July 23, 07:49PM
kinda of this same topic umm
i think maybe clans should have the choice to make thier clan channel
an adult channel? and imms should be able to toggle clan channels (if they
cant already)
cause most clans have what 6-11 people? ;) and most of them arent
on at the same time? i think we should be able to vent on our channels
since its not really public, assuming the imms can tune it out
but whatever, goin to beeeeed. Sayonara! (and heftig!)
-Mitsukake, some stupid guy who blabs while tired.
From: Drakkon
Sunday, July 23, 08:08PM
I've heard imm channels aren't so clean as well, why should they care
if the clan channels aren't clean.... i say if you want to swear on
your own private channel it should be allowed, as long as none of your
clan members take any offence to it :P
From: Zemus
Monday, July 24, 01:18AM
YES WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT THE HELL WE WANT ON
CLAN CHANNELS!!!!! I find it so irritating that we cant
say what the hell I wanna say on my PRIVATE clan channel, Since what
I say on a clan channel dosent deal with imm's.
and that saying just group with your clan and use GT or use tells
is a bunch of crap since when do you ever walk around with'
your clan all the time.
If I rent in tara im not gonna trans to indus to group with my
member just so I can swear and I dont use tells when talking to your
whole clan
This is just another reason I think clans are a waste of time
there is no advantages of being in a clan atm so I think being able
to swear on a clan channel or something might make being in a clan
worth something.
-Zemus
From: Sandra
Monday, July 24, 10:11AM
Since we cater to all AGES as well as all types of people, and we
don't require an age limit to be in a clan, the clan channel rule
is more than appropriate. Just because you may be old enough to
swear(though I must admit, if I had to type out something to get
my point across, it would be more colourful than a 4-letter word)
doesn't mean everyone else is. And the mud IS following the law
of the state the machine is in.
-Sandra
From: Jesus
Monday, July 24, 10:46AM
here's some FYI.
A new law was passed, about three months ago, that states very clearly
The use of vulgar language by any military personnel in
a public atmosphere will result in 30 days confinement, loss of pay
and rank, and a dishonorable discharge from the military.
-
I work in a brig (prison) for the United States Marine Corps,
I've put people in jail for this already.
-Jesus Christ, Superstar.
From: Mertjai
Monday, July 24, 01:43PM
Oooh yes that's a great idea! I know, instead of using Jail, we just
auto-ban those who swear from channels for six months! Oooh. Of course
I'd have been banned myself once, but hey, I'd have my channels back
by now.
Heh
-having fun-
Merjai Awooga
From: Fraegis
Monday, July 24, 02:57PM
I have to agree with those who think it is silly that we aren't
able to express ourselves as 5-year olds on channels. Why should
the imms try to slow our regression into childhood? I suggest that
we all (those of us who feel the imms have no right in asking
for clean language on channels) refrain from using any
channels for the next 12 months! Then they can see how boring
things become!
We are all individuals, and if we want to act immature, childish and
totally ridiculous, annoying lots of people in the process, and
just laugh at them when they complain, who are the imms to say
we can't?
Ironic greeting, the True God
From: Zemus
Monday, July 24, 06:32PM
The other thing I think is funny about this all-age
mud is that we cant use "bad" words but we are exposed to violance
did you ever read what it says when you KILL stuff. pretty nasty
stuffs if you ask me, not very good for younger people.
-zemus
From: Akai_Hayate
Monday, July 24, 06:56PM
annoy who?
you know all us rampant pkillers think alike
so if i want to swear, sammael wants to too
and so does poetry and wyvern, heh...
we are asking for clan channels to be adult, not chat
From: Testboy
Tuesday, July 25, 12:39AM
13 yr olds swear more than anyone, who're you really trying to protect?
From: Sandra
Tuesday, July 25, 11:58AM
We're trying to protect the mud. Just like a theatre can get into
trouble for letting someone under 17 into an R rated movie, we can
get into trouble for profanity in a 'public' forum, since we
require no age limit to play.
I figure one of the times that we say this, it may sink in. ;)
-Sandra
From: Testboy
Wednesday, July 26, 02:12AM
Bah, that'll never happen.. ever heard of another MUD or
other internet host being prosecuted for such things?
From: Elisa
Friday, July 28, 01:22AM
A few more or less arbitrary combinations of sounds are hardly worth
fighting over. There are other words. Have you ever considered substitutin
them? It really isn't that hard. If you can't find a word you like, you
can always make up a new one. Or perhaps you can try combining words to
actually describe how you feel. It may even help you to think introspectiv
-ely. And if you keep practicing, you may eventually be able to use
language well enough that other people will listen to you. Imagine that!
From: Testboy
Friday, July 28, 04:13AM
Without resorting to insults or threats, I'd like to see
someone express their anger in plain text without cursing.
Go on, show me how it's done.. I won't laugh (out loud).
From: Kaige
Friday, July 28, 02:22PM
Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
-ponder- Yup I think that would work. No insults, no threats.
Definitely conveys frustration and anger.
-Kaige
From: Testboy
Friday, July 28, 03:19PM
Naw, that's for little annoyances like running out of smokes
or a shop being closed on MUDs where they've taken realism too far. :P
From: Sandra
Friday, July 28, 06:23PM
"Ok, I'm really angry right now!!!" Seems to get the point across,
but the obvious doesn't always seem so obvious to some people I
suppose.
Now, you could get wordy about it, with something like "My anger
level has increased to limits way beyond the scope of a normal
person, so be forwarned, I may explode soon!"
Or, you could use the simple "Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!" that
Kaige posted.
Then there's the ever (un)witty: "I'm about to bang my head off
of a wall a few thousand times! The pain would be better than
dealing with !!"
It doesn't take alot of thought, though perhaps thought is the
problem?
-Sandra
From: Testboy
Sunday, July 30, 12:29AM
Actually that was the first thing that came to mind but it's
not something that I'd take seriously, if they're in control
then they couldn't really be that mad. Perhaps some lose it
more than others and although that last comment may have meant
to be an insult, it's true, I don't think or care about the
consequences when I'm really peeved. Really, it just doesn't
sound like your angry.. when I am, I want others to know. :P
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