Posted by Poetry on 06/05
I think Ive come to realize, that people on legend dont like
pkill. Take this as a fact, and all the changes to the pk system
start to make a lot of sense.
Huginn very clearly stated that PKOK was a last ditch effort
to "save" pkill from from being yanked all together. If thats the
case, then I guess we better take whatever the imms decide
for us.
So many elements of pkill are missing out of the PKOK system
that I would hardly call legend a mud with pkill anymore.
What pisses me off most is when people accuse me and other
oldschool pkillers of just wanting to beat on weaker pkillers, etc.
That is so far off the mark. You people that do nothing but SL
AT and are being as selfish about what you like about legend
as a lot of us are about pkill. Why cant people understand
that there are ALOT of very dedicated players that like
legend for pkill, and little else? Its reality, make us unhappy
enough, and I Think the mud will degenerate to the nothingness of
a lot of mushes moos or whatever you call those stupid things.
Pkillers are a very important part of legend. No pkiller likes
PKOK. NO ONE. Be careful now, dont get all excited.. my
definition of pkiller is very specific.. but still encompasses
enough people to make it a group. People that like PKOK
arent "pkillers". They are players that like to dabble a little and
just see what its like. You can make these people happy
at a big expense to another subcommunity in legend.
I dont know what the solution is, but some acknowledgement
from imms, that an IMPORTANT subcommunity of legend
took a very big hit with PKOK would be nice. Personally, I
dont think legend will survive without us. No one spends
more time working on characters, and learning new areas, and
finding better items than us.
Please change this system to accommodate not only those occasional
pkillers, but the deditated ones too.
I also hope you guys understand that ACCEPT ALL is no solution
to this. Dont forget, that if a player didnt want to get killed by
Poetry, then all they had to do is not pkenable... PKOK gives them
a few more options to have fun... but takes away a LOT of fun
for others...
So let me introduce myself.. Im an ACCEPT ALL pkiller that sits
around.. with NO CLUE about who accepts today vs yesterday..
or whenever... and NO CLUE who will decide to accept me cause I
walked into the inn where they happen to be at full hps and mana with
19 charmies...
It sucks. And after the prepped up unknown aggressor kills me
they hang out in the house and brag about it while the timer is ticking
down... cant you guys understand this? hello?
Maybe it could work. I dont have any ideas except go back
to the old system... but Im open to anything to make this
one work. Right now, it only makes certain people happy.
Poetry
From: Jesus
Tuesday, May 30, 11:35AM
your the only one whining, Poetry.
This isn't PoetryMUD, it's not going to suit your
every desire.
The problem for you doesn't involve pkok, other
pkillers, the xp scale, or whatever you are
blaming it on this week, the problem lies within you.
I have NO trouble finding a fight when I want one, with people
in your range.
It's very simple, people don't like your style of pk,
and don't wish to pk with you, so they don't.
Wait, isn't that what pkok was designed for?
AMAZING.
-Jesus Christ, Superstar.
From: Tulpa
Tuesday, May 30, 01:57PM
I'm gonna have to say I'm with Poetry on this one, I gave pkok a try
and it's really fun to be able to pk with lots of chars, but it's just
lacking a big part of what it used to be. I'm sure I've bitched, and
complained about being jumped before, and looted, but really it's
not all that bad. When PKOK was installed, the MUD took another step
down. Were looseing alot of people because of it. Alot of my frieds
have left, or are going to leave soon. And without friends, and the way
the mud is now, there's no way many more of us would stay. Basically
something needs to be changed, or were gonna loose alot of the player
base.
Tulpa
From: Jesus
Tuesday, May 30, 02:37PM
-shrug-
I guess I just don't see the fun in making
someone elses experience on this mud a bad
one, Unlike Poetry, among others.
Perhaps someday these people will realize that pkok
was installed because of people like them, and they'll
stop bitching, because they'll feel entirely stupid.
Until then, I like pkok, I support pkok, and
think if you don't like it, you should look
for another mud, like you keep saying you are going to.
Thou hath speaketh.
-Jesus Christ, Superstar.
From: Slash
Tuesday, May 30, 11:25PM
Damn nice to see someone post a good explanation of why pkok
sucks. Cheer to Poetry, his gripes about pkok match mine and
many others. Jesus, heh you dont even deserve a response to
because you are obviously no pkiller.
Slash
From: Dune
Wednesday, May 31, 09:39AM
In response to your first append, Jesus...
Im very clearly not the only one "whining".
Im not saying that I want PoetryMUD.
Im NOT suggesting that we should yank PKOK and
make players like you, that like PKOK, unhappy.
Im trying to find a solution to make everyone happy.
Not just you... and people like you.
Seems to me that what you want is JesusMUD.
I would appreciate if you censored your comments
and kept them to constructive discussion...
Not everyone likes PKOK, thats pretty clear. Dont those
people have a say and a voice too? or just you, Jesus?
Poetry's player
From: Dune
Wednesday, May 31, 09:46AM
Let me also quote your second append...
"I guess I just dont see the fun in making someone
elses experience on this mud a bad one, Unlike Poetry,
among others."
Your comments and aggression on chat and boards have
made my experience on this mud a bad one. Ive tried
to combat it with similar behaviour.... but it doesnt seem to
work.. and Ive tried to involve imms to come up with some
sort of agreement that limits how we interact... you refused.
I dont want to hear your slander about what Im like anymore.
You have a very different experience with me that most players.
Your vocal aggression and dislike for me isnt shared by anyone.
Your appends are mostly unconstructive ooc attacks on me and
what you view me to be like.
Im not going to insult you, or say anything back to you anymore.
Im kindly asking you to stop.. especially appends like the one
to this post, in which Im representing a fair amount
of people that agree with me, not targeting anyone.... and
just overall, trying to be constructive.
All I could say is that I tried to work it out with a fair
2-way agreement, but you refused.
Poetry's player
From: Kidd
Wednesday, May 31, 04:24PM
ok...I dont usually type a lot, and im not going to this time
but I've tried pkilling with all my chars...its quite fun...but
everyone still has one true pkiller...(pk isnt very good with
your mob killing chars)
I like pkok for the ONLY fact that you can enable more then one char and p
pk with them...other then that..well I dont. I dont know of a
solution to it...I dont know of a way around the problems that I see with
pkok...but I know I didnt have these feelings in the old pk system...I lik
Kidds player
From: Kidd
Wednesday, May 31, 04:27PM
I messed up...I didnt have these feelings in the old pk system
but I liked the old way...
From: BabaYaga
Monday, June 05, 07:34AM
Oooookay, having read these posts I'm not sure what class at all I fall
under anymore! Am I a pkiller! Am I not! Do I care! -drool self-
Point is, there just may be another class being left out here. I don't
generally go around jumping people because -mourn self- I'm just not
terribly aggressive as a pkiller. But neither did I, or do I hide (I
currently have one pkok all who never turns it off). I kinda like being
jumped. I DON'T like looting or multi-ing, because I take those personally
in most situations.
This is all just leading to the fact that I bluntly like the old pk system
better. If pkok was meant to heal the rift between clanned and unclanneds,
it hasn't. It's just shifted the terminology between clanneds/unclanned an
added a third class into the bargain -semi-clanneds.
Optimistically speaking, I'm really hoping that a) the only pkokall can
fight pkokall will go in, b) given some time, people will level up all new
eq people, and not be afraid to pkok with those.
One of the main reasons why I DON'T have all my many alts pkok'd all
is quite simply -old eq. I'm a munchkin numbers gamer to the heart. And I
am most definitely not willing to lose old stuff. BUT. If the hit/dam
were wiped from all old eq without changing stats (so people don't
suddenly lose skills from those nifty new minuses on hernes or log in
way overrent, almost all of my alts would pkokall, excepting the pure
healers.
Oeerk. Just an old lady's senile babblings.
Baba Yaga
From: BabaYaga
Monday, June 05, 07:41AM
Oh er, to show just how unaggressive I generally am, Jesus cast about
4 spells that my pkokall's sink caught, at Aengus the other day, I didn't
attack him. I didn't feel like it.
But -flopdrool- I think most of you younguns who know me wouldn't call
this old lady cowardly.
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