Posted by Trample on 02/15
STR chars, everywhere I turn.
str mages, str half-mages, str druids.
even snipers, with 30 - 40 damroll.
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is it a trend? no, it's not.
it's very simple, the reasoning behind this.
because all of that damage on a sitting
victim is just so powerful.
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I've tried everything I can think of,
I can't beat str, without being str. not in a
"real" fight, anyway.
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A real fight being of equal levels, of course.
admittedly, I'm nowhere near the best pk'er
here.
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The mere -thougt- of a str poulticer strikes
(peer typo) ..fear into my heart, it's just vicious,
to do that much damage, and be able to heal to full
in a few poultices.
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now, you see, this is what gets me.
on a sitting victim, hitroll seems to play a
very small part in the amount of damage
done to your victim. It's just sad, that damroll
means SO much, and hitroll isn't much of
a factor at all.
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To make this plain and simple, there just
isn't enough disadvantage to having
low dex, which seems to be the option of choice
in todays pkill world.
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anyway, append, or flame, but post your thoughts.
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-Trample.
From: Sammael
Monday, February 14, 10:14PM
All I have to say is this. I don't agree. Str is no more
powerful then its ever been. It just rocks in certain combos, such
as str/con, and to a lesser extent, in my mind, str/mind. The only
reason your all bitching is because tahts what everyone is for some
reason. Don't worry; I hate being trendy, so I won't be around much
longer. What I'm saying is, str isn't as potent as you think. Dex
though, in my opinon, needs to be fixed so its less of a "you win if
your lucky, lose if your not" stat into something a bit more reliable.
I guess thats just me though. No, I don't know how to do it or
anything like that. As it stands, I agree with whoever said con/mind
would probably still dominate. A str mage is choke bait, headbutt
bait, and usually doesn't have many hp. Maybe your just approaching
it wrong. And as for str poulticers, well, not to demean anyone, but
I've fought a few, and I've yet to lose. Again, low hp, regardless
of healing ability makes it hard to compete. Flame away, but I think
your all over reacting. And for the record, my new pkiller is NOT
str, and I don't forsee me losing 90% of the time to every str fighter
who rolls off the assembly line.
-Sammael
From: Lagmonster
Monday, February 14, 10:22PM
strength has been powerful ever since the mud moved away from
the dex-only scene, it was just that the "better" pkers never capitalized
on it... we had Nothing and Agni who were 3c str mages that did well, but
it wasn't until Mo that ppl thought to actually make one for themselves
(guess augmenting str mage sounded more reasonable and doable than a 3c
chant vina vant dyn ex mage). They're not any more powerful than they wer
e then. The main problem is that our mud is basically down-right
silly against like-built chars, and str/mages USED to be a combo that
wasn't 'trite'-- meaning, if you knew what you are doing, you aren't
gonna have to rely on the coin-toss scenario most other chars end up
in.
I still think the most powerful char type overall is a con-mind 3c,
the stats a mage of that sort can achieve is daunting for most
other chars. As far as hitroll and damroll goes, you should
try getting high hit/dam with an 8kg weapon. It'll make
enough of a difference in any char type, and unlike str, it
will do damage much more consistantly.
From: Dusk
Monday, February 14, 10:45PM
I never particularly like str fighters myself... the most str I have
ever had on a character is around 36. I am a dex fighter, I have
around 32hitroll, bout 12dam... I don't really pay much attention
to damage messages when i am pkilling.... but I rarely lose. Actually,
I can only recall one instance where I lost in a duel situation in the
past 3-4 months, and that was to a 100dex/100perc/70str fighter who
got two back to back parralyzing backstabs.. -wince- and even in that
situation, I still managed to get him to DYING. -shrug- I tend to
be more cautious when fighting these huge monster str characters, but
I don't think they are any more powerful than the large array of
plausible characters that currently exist. It is more a matter of
adapting to situations, knowing your enemy, etc... If you think str
is so dominant, make a str fighter, and see how often you will die to
non-str. -shrug- People think to much about mathmatical logistics
behind pkill. Just fight dammit.
Dusk
From: Poetry
I dont know what it is, but something is messed up with
damageroll comboed with stun attacks and low hitroll.
I think most everyone agrees at least with that.
Even Lagmonster agrees with that. And Sammael is
changing his pkiller away from str because IMHO, he
feels guilty for being cheesy! muhaha
Something is definately messed up.
Poetry
From: Amadio
Tuesday, February 15, 12:02AM
Hrm, personally I think most trends are sorta silly. Let me explain that.
Since I've been on this mud, I've heard the following char types called
"dominant"= 3c dex mages, 3c str mages, 3c con mages, snipers, 2c
spam augmentors, 2c nospam augmentors, str/con spam augmentors,
str/con nospam augmentors, sniper/spam augmentors, sniper/nospam augmentor
con anything, plain ole' str/con, and now apparently str anything.
This is all in pk, by the way. What's the common factor?
An above-average pkiller made one of these char types and -gasp-
started KILLING PEOPLE! Horror! And there was much rending of garments
and gnashing of teeth, and then everyone said, "hey, I can make a pkiller
just like that! go me!" and boy, did they ever. Remember when every
pkiller, just about, was a dex/cause? Remember the glut of snipers?
So this went on for a little while, and then another above-average
pkiller (or maybe the same one) got bored of his dexmage/sniper/strcon/
whatever the hell else because everyone else had one, and said
"hrm, I bet I can make a chartype that'll kick all of those dexmage/
sniper/strcon/whatever's asses." And Lo! they did. And many Infos
rained down from on high! And at first the mud said "Imms, this
chartype is overbalanced, for it kills me every goddamn time!"
And then the mud saw that this chartype (whatever it may be) was
Good, and they made one of their very own. And thus the cycle
repeated.
Sooooo. What's the message? In my opinion, there's no such thing as
one dominant character type. It's merely that the players here are
getting more and more sophisticated in making their characters, and
so characters that absolutely rocked three months ago suck now.
Whatever, trends are silly. Bah.
Amadio.
From: Nothing
Tuesday, February 15, 03:18PM
-ponder Laggy- wow, I got mentioned in a post...
Does this mean I'm famous?
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